From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always Date: 01 Mar 2004 11:06:38 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An interesting update. On February 28, I wrote the following: <> ____________________________ I now see the following note added to the bottom of that seller's description: "Descriptions on Ebay are public domain and can be copied unless otherwise noted as copyrighted. Welcome to America! If you have questions about the book for sale by auction feel free to email. Emails of people complaining with nothing productive to say will be ignored. I am only saying this because I have received several spam emails recently." My complaint e-mail to that party was straightforward, but succinct and dispassionate. I have now lodged an equally succinct and dispassionate complaint to eBay through the eBay image/text theft page link which Malcolm thoughtfully provided in his response to the Shelf. It will be interesting to see if eBay takes any action in my favor. RG Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
An interesting update.  On February 28, I wrote the following:
 
<<Just a note to assure fellow shelfers that I am not operating o= n eBay under a secretive double name, heh, heh.  The seller of the foll= owing item has helped him- or herself, verbatim, to the text of my lengthy,=20= detailed description of that Deseret Alphabet book which admittedly sold for= an absurdly high price . . .
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eB= ayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3591201365&category=3D29220
 
I think the most disappointing aspect is that someone selling BOOKS see= ms to have no concept of the unacceptablility [sic] of plagiarism.
 
Yuck,
 
RickBook>>
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I now see the following note added to the bottom of that seller's descr= iption:
 
"Descriptions on Ebay are public= domain and can be copied unless otherwise noted as copyrighted. Welcome to=20= America! If you have questions about the book for sale by auction feel free=20= to email. Emails of people complaining with nothing productive to say will b= e ignored. I am only saying this because I have received several spam emails= recently."
 
My complaint e-mail to that party was straightforward, but succinct and= dispassionate.  I have now lodged an equally succinct and dispassionat= e complaint to eBay through the eBay image/text theft page link which Malcol= m thoughtfully provided in his response to the Shelf.  It will be inter= esting to see if eBay takes any action in my favor.
 
RG
 
 
- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always Date: 01 Mar 2004 10:06:11 -0700 Rick, If you register with ebay under their copyright program (VERO) you can shut down auctions like these for plagarism. Ken RickBook@aol.com wrote: > An interesting update. On February 28, I wrote the following: > > < under a secretive double name, heh, heh. The seller of the following > item has helped him- or herself, verbatim, to the text of my lengthy, > detailed description of that Deseret Alphabet book which admittedly sold > for an absurdly high price . . . > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3591201365&category=29220 > > > I think the most disappointing aspect is that someone selling BOOKS > seems to have no concept of the unacceptablility [sic] of plagiarism. > > Yuck, > > RickBook>> > ____________________________ > > > I now see the following note added to the bottom of that seller's > description: > > "*Descriptions on Ebay are public domain and can be copied unless > otherwise noted as copyrighted. Welcome to America! If you have > questions about the book for sale by auction feel free to email. Emails > of people complaining with nothing productive to say will be ignored. I > am only saying this because I have received several spam emails recently.*" > > My complaint e-mail to that party was straightforward, but succinct and > dispassionate. I have now lodged an equally succinct and dispassionate > complaint to eBay through the eBay image/text theft page link which > Malcolm thoughtfully provided in his response to the Shelf. It will be > interesting to see if eBay takes any action in my favor. > > RG > > -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hjmckell@xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always Date: 01 Mar 2004 16:28:49 -0700 Hmmm, I saw this quote on the seller's site this morning. But now I can't find it..... Hugh Quoting RickBook@aol.com: > I now see the following note added to the bottom of that seller's > description: > > "Descriptions on Ebay are public domain and can be copied unless > otherwise > noted as copyrighted. Welcome to America! If you have questions about the > book > for sale by auction feel free to email. Emails of people complaining with > nothing productive to say will be ignored. I am only saying this because > I have received several spam emails recently." - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] same name as always Date: 01 Mar 2004 20:29:30 EST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/1/2004 6:29:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, hjmckell@xmission.com writes: Hmmm, I saw this quote on the seller's site this morning. But now I can't find it..... Hugh Yes. Fascinating. I wonder if someone enlightened him or her about basic principles of intellectual property. RG Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 3/1/2004 6:29:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, hjmckell@= xmission.com writes:
Hmmm, I saw this quote on the seller's site th= is morning. But now I can't
find it.....

Hugh
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Yes.  Fascinating.  I wonder if someone enlightened him or he= r about basic principles of intellectual property.
 
RG
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About sixteen hours after I lodged my complaint with eBay regarding the= seller who plagiarized my book description, I had a very courteous response= from eBay, confirming that they had removed that seller's listing from the=20= system.
 
Considering the intensely in-your-face attitude of that seller, I feel=20= justified and entirely satisfied with eBay's handling of the matter.  T= he irony, of course, is that if the seller had merely e-mailed me, offering=20= to use my description with a simple credit at the end, "-Text of this descri= ption courtesy of Rick Grunder - Books, in reference to a similar item sold=20= previously," I would have jumped at the chance for free publicity.
 
RG
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