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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:20:55 -0500
From: "Stan Shepp" <stanshepp@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Prices down

> I have enough reflections and
> opinions to write a book on that one topic, but who is to say that my
> conclusions would be accurate!
>
> RickBook

Maybe they wouldn't be accurate, but we could probably gage the Mormon book
market on the market for *your* book.

Stan Shepp
York, PA
Center of the Universe
stanshepp@mindspring.com
ICQ # 18305161

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Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Prices down




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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:25:37 -0500 (EST)
From: markbook@altavista.net
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Building an interesting collection

Te Rongo Pai (The Gospel) Treasures To Remember Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints History, Growth and Development of the Church College of New Zealand and New Zealand Temple Project April 1958 The Editing Committee HB 201 pages then 40 pages of adds George R. Biesinger Project Supervisor. Tonight I also picked up The International Journal of Success by Sterling W. Sill for $1.
Mark Carter


 ---- you wrote: 
> Is it on my Temples List?  If not, I need the info. please.  (title, publisher, author, date, pages)
> 
> Dean
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: markbook@altavista.net
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:11 PM
> To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Building an interesting collection
> 
> 
> Since I buy books at DI and the internet, you have to learn to trade or sell to generate credit or cash for better books. I have some expensive books in my collection, that still cost relativly little out of pocket cash.. I also have found books I have never seen nor heard of. Last night I bought a book printed in 1958 on the building of the New Zealand Temple and the Church college in Hamilton. The book is not in Eborn but I find it to be very interesting.
> Mark Carter
> 
> 
> ---- you wrote:
> > I don't think it can be done.  If you only buy your books at DI because you don't have "mega-bucks," then your collection will not be "interesting.."
> >
> > Dean
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Diane Peel
> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:15 PM
> > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Building an interesting collection
> >
> >
> > We seem to be staying more on topic lately--maybe after reading Keith's
> > view from a mop, and seeing the results of a "troller".
> > Anyway, let's go back to an old standby-- how would a beginner build an
> > interesting collection without mega bucks?  Hmmm?
> >
> > -----
> > Diane Peel
> > Bookseller
> > at Bibliofind
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> >
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:00:18 -0800
From: Keith Irwin <irwinkw@earthlink.net>
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf

Friends,

Hugh and I have been talking about the future of LDS-Bookshelf for the last 
six months or more.  Though painful, we've concluded that the "Shelf" has 
led a good life but has run its course and that it's time for us to close 
her down.  Perhaps other lists will spring up among bookshelfers that will 
move in more interesting directions but we would respectfully ask that the 
LDS-Bookshelf name not be used.

Rather than just shut the list down abruptly, we thought we would hold a 
week long Irish wake for the Shelf.  The casket for LDS-Bookshelf will 
close on February 10th at which point we will shed a tear and lower her 
into cyber-earth.  Between now and then, we invite bookshelfers to recall 
their best moments on the shelf and otherwise celebrate the great times we 
had together.  All other subjects are off topic.

Please don't ask us to reconsider.  We've anguished over this for a long 
time and our decision is final.  Further discussion will only make it more 
difficult.

Keith & Hugh
Co-Janitors 


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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:52:35 -0800
From: "Greg Bragg" <greg.bragg@rcsis.com>
Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf

Dear Keith & Hugh,
	Logging on now and reading Keith's decision is sad to this lurker! Almost
everyday, for the past several years, I have read the posts, sometimes maybe
only one in a day, sometimes almost 100! It's a part of my life, and I
imagine also to over 100 others out there who love LDS books! There are many
memories... sharing events in the lives of the guests to your library, plus
so much valuable and often timely information shared about books.
	I've always thought that when I retire as President of my claims and risk
management company, I would spend my time in my book store, encouraging
others who love LDS books, especially collectible ones,  to visit and chat
(many enjoy the rocking chairs I have in there now), just as we have done on
the LDS-bookshelf!
	I feel like I've met many friends personally, and through cyberspace, at
the LDS-bookshelf.
Your "library" will always be remembered by the many who have visited and
met each other there! Thanks for your inspiration in creating this list. I
know it must be hard to be the janitors, and sometimes the "good cop or the
bad cop", but I am going to miss this, and hope that we can all meet again
somewhere soon!
Greg Bragg
Mormonabilia
(a division of Family Tree House)
P.O. Box 2262
Granite Bay, CA 95746
1-888-791-2050
http://LDSbooksOnline.com
Look for announcements on our web page about our soon to be open "virtual"
web site
http://mormonabilia.com featuring a virtual tour of our show room and
display cases, including images of all books and collectibles!

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[mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Keith Irwin
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:00 PM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf


Friends,

Hugh and I have been talking about the future of LDS-Bookshelf for the last
six months or more.  Though painful, we've concluded that the "Shelf" has
led a good life but has run its course and that it's time for us to close
her down.  Perhaps other lists will spring up among bookshelfers that will
move in more interesting directions but we would respectfully ask that the
LDS-Bookshelf name not be used.


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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 00:17:31 -0700
From: John Hatch <jphatch@freeport.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf

Dear Friends,

Like Greg, Bookshelf has become a part of my life.  It will take a long while
to get out of the habit of checking my e-mail frequently to see what the latest
post is.

I doubt you good people will ever know how much I've enjoyed my time here.
Never in my life have I had such a rare opportunity to be associated with a
combination of kind, brilliant, friendly, and impressive individuals.

My story is, I work ALL the time.  As a newlywed, I only see my wife for about
an hour, maybe two a day.  For the past several months I've had two jobs that
have had me leaving my home at 7:30 A.M. and not arriving back until 9:30 P.M.
Christmas cut my time even shorter, getting home around midnight.  Through a
wearisome time where I've longed for the 9 to 5 routine I've always been able
to log onto Bookshelf and find some great friends.  Working all the time, I
don't have too many "other" friends :)

I hope I haven't been too personal or sappy.  In case you haven't noticed, I
rarely say the right thing.  Thanks so much for letting a snotty, obnoxious,
thinks he knows it all, arrogant, goofy, hot tempered little punk like me be
part of such a great crowd of folks.  Many thanks especially to the two
janitors who worked their tails off and put up with a lot of garbage (a great
deal provided by yours truly).  I also appreciate those times when I wasn't put
in the box (or just outright excommunicated) for when I decided it was time to
be a complete and total jerk.

Of course, with my big fat mouth, I'm sure I'll be posting my memories along
with the rest until the day arrives.  Many thanks again.

John


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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:19:09 -0500 
From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bye-bye

As a charter member of Bookshelf I would like to thank Hugh and Keith (whom
I have had visit me in Plano, TX) for creating this list and dealing with
all the administration and problems that come with a list like this. This
sort of reminds me of the time the original Mormon-L closed down. For me, it
is a sad day - I have really enjoyed this list (most of the time).

- --Doug Cahoon

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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 07:16:58 -0800
From: Dave <Dave@Langlitz.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf

DAVEH:  I am much saddened by this news.  I hope you fellas will make the
subscriber list available to those who want to try something similar.  And
finally, your efforts have been most appreciated!  Your forum has brought much
joy to this tired old Mormon boy.  And, it has inspired me to clean up and
expand my library.  I just hope I don't lose the momentum the Shelf has given
me.  God Bless You Both!

Keith Irwin wrote:

> Friends,
>
> Hugh and I have been talking about the future of LDS-Bookshelf for the last
> six months or more.  Though painful, we've concluded that the "Shelf" has
> led a good life but has run its course and that it's time for us to close
> her down.  Perhaps other lists will spring up among bookshelfers that will
> move in more interesting directions but we would respectfully ask that the
> LDS-Bookshelf name not be used.
>
> Rather than just shut the list down abruptly, we thought we would hold a
> week long Irish wake for the Shelf.  The casket for LDS-Bookshelf will
> close on February 10th at which point we will shed a tear and lower her
> into cyber-earth.  Between now and then, we invite bookshelfers to recall
> their best moments on the shelf and otherwise celebrate the great times we
> had together.  All other subjects are off topic.
>
> Please don't ask us to reconsider.  We've anguished over this for a long
> time and our decision is final.  Further discussion will only make it more
> difficult.
>
> Keith & Hugh
> Co-Janitors

- --
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Hansen
Dave@Langlitz.com
http://www.langlitz.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 


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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:47:41 -0500
From: "Stan Shepp" <stanshepp@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf

Rather than shutting it down, could you please transfer ownership of it to
me.  I will transfer it to eGroups and it may continue on its undulating
course for a while longer.

There is no reason to take you ball and go home.  We want to keep playing
the game and we have our own ball - just let us keep the roster intact.

Please.  And you are welcome to continue playing with us - even invited!

Stan Shepp
York, PA
Center of the Universe
stanshepp@mindspring.com
ICQ # 18305161

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From: Keith Irwin <irwinkw@earthlink.net>
To: <lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 12:00 AM
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf


> Friends,
>
> Hugh and I have been talking about the future of LDS-Bookshelf for the
last
> six months or more.  Though painful, we've concluded that the "Shelf" has
> led a good life but has run its course and that it's time for us to close
> her down.  Perhaps other lists will spring up among bookshelfers that will
> move in more interesting directions but we would respectfully ask that the
> LDS-Bookshelf name not be used.
>
> Rather than just shut the list down abruptly, we thought we would hold a
> week long Irish wake for the Shelf.  The casket for LDS-Bookshelf will
> close on February 10th at which point we will shed a tear and lower her
> into cyber-earth.  Between now and then, we invite bookshelfers to recall
> their best moments on the shelf and otherwise celebrate the great times we
> had together.  All other subjects are off topic.
>
> Please don't ask us to reconsider.  We've anguished over this for a long
> time and our decision is final.  Further discussion will only make it more
> difficult.
>
> Keith & Hugh
> Co-Janitors
>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:59:44 -0500
From: "Stan Shepp" <stanshepp@mindspring.com>
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Fw: degrading description

I received this private Email this morning in my in-box.  I deleted the name
of the sender to protect their privacy.  I suppose that he is referring to
the negative feedback that I received from legbreakers a month ago that I
mentioned on the shelf.

I had no idea that it would effect anyone more than it effected me - since
it was a real threat to me and not to anyone else on the list.  I know that
there are women on the list and sensitive people, but I had no idea that it
would cause problems in other peoples lives.

I suppose that all I can do is apologize to anyone who was traumatized by
any of my posts to the bookshelf during the two and a half plus years that I
have been here (since April 7, 1998)

My sincerest apologies to everyone - especially to the person who was so
offended - although they will, I am sure, delete this message without even
reading it.

For those of you who were not offended, I appreciated having a place where I
could share such an awful experience and find some sympathy when there were
few places to turn to share the burdens of that time.

So Thanks, and I'm sorry.

Stan Shepp
York, PA
Center of the Universe
stanshepp@mindspring.com
ICQ # 18305161

- ----- Original Message -----
To: <stanshepp@mindspring.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:50 PM
Subject: degrading description


> This is written to let you know that the degrading somewhat explicit
> description you referred to in an email on the lds-bookshelf some time
> ago regarding someone associated with a transaction on ebay has
> periodically come to my mind.  I do not want to think about I do not
> want to read about I do not want to dwell upon and I do not want to be
> reminded of the degrading abhorable acts you referred to in that email
> to the lds-bookshelf.  Eventually I hope, pray and believe that
> degrading description you had placed  on the lds-bookshelf will
> eventually be forgotten about by me and that I will no more  think about
> it and that I will no more be reminded of it.  My soul is sensitive and
> I am trying to do what I can to help me have more purifying thoughts
> feelings and desires.
> So that I will not be as reminded about that degrading somewhat explicit
> description you placed on lds-bookshelf  I do not want to read any
> emails by or from you and I do not want to have further contact with
> you.  I ask that you do not bid on any items I put up for bid on ebay.
> This is being sent to you now so that I will not need to consider
> discussing this in the future when the reminder of that degrading
> abhorable description will have subsided. Please do not contact me
> again.  This email is being sent by me to your email address at
> stanshepp@mindspring.com and will not be sent to any other email address
> by me. .    And immediately after it is sent I will delete it into the
> email trash and I will immediately empty that email trash to be cleared
> off my computer and hopefully eventually off my mind and soul.



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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:09:28 -0800
From: "Phil" <pbradford@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf

Keith & Hugh

I've enjoyed the LDS-Bookshelf ever since joining.  The discussion, banter,
observations, conversations, book reviews, have made my days more
interesting.  I became acquainted with differing points of views to which I
never would have been exposed.  Your decision to shut down the "Shelf" will
leave a big void in my daily activities.  Thank you both for your patience
and dedication.  I wish I could have met all those on the Shelf personally.
We are a very eclectic group composed of very different philosophies but
some how bound together in our LDS back grounds.  Oh how I wish my Church
ward contained such interesting discussions on Mormon subjects!

Good luck and the very best to both of you and the other members of the
shelf.

Phil



> Friends,
>
> Hugh and I have been talking about the future of LDS-Bookshelf for the
last
> six months or more.  Though painful, we've concluded that the "Shelf" has
> led a good life but has run its course and that it's time for us to close
> her down.  Perhaps other lists will spring up among bookshelfers that will
> move in more interesting directions but we would respectfully ask that the
> LDS-Bookshelf name not be used.
>
> Rather than just shut the list down abruptly, we thought we would hold a
> week long Irish wake for the Shelf.  The casket for LDS-Bookshelf will
> close on February 10th at which point we will shed a tear and lower her
> into cyber-earth.  Between now and then, we invite bookshelfers to recall
> their best moments on the shelf and otherwise celebrate the great times we
> had together.  All other subjects are off topic.
>
> Please don't ask us to reconsider.  We've anguished over this for a long
> time and our decision is final.  Further discussion will only make it more
> difficult.
>
> Keith & Hugh
> Co-Janitors
>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:14:40 -0700
From: Diane Peel <oldrose@srv.net>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Fw: degrading description

All I can say is 'huh'?


>I received this private Email this morning in my in-box.  I deleted the name
>of the sender to protect their privacy.  I suppose that he is referring to
>the negative feedback that I received from legbreakers a month ago that I
>mentioned on the shelf.
>
>I had no idea that it would effect anyone more than it effected me - since
>it was a real threat to me and not to anyone else on the list.  I know that
>there are women on the list and sensitive people, but I had no idea that it
>would cause problems in other peoples lives.
>
>I suppose that all I can do is apologize to anyone who was traumatized by
>any of my posts to the bookshelf during the two and a half plus years that I
>have been here (since April 7, 1998)
>
>My sincerest apologies to everyone - especially to the person who was so
>offended - although they will, I am sure, delete this message without even
>reading it.
>
>For those of you who were not offended, I appreciated having a place where I
>could share such an awful experience and find some sympathy when there were
>few places to turn to share the burdens of that time.
>
>So Thanks, and I'm sorry.
>
>Stan Shepp
>York, PA
>Center of the Universe
>stanshepp@mindspring.com
>ICQ # 18305161
>
>----- Original Message -----
>To: <stanshepp@mindspring.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:50 PM
>Subject: degrading description
>
>
>> This is written to let you know that the degrading somewhat explicit
>> description you referred to in an email on the lds-bookshelf some time
>> ago regarding someone associated with a transaction on ebay has
>> periodically come to my mind.  I do not want to think about I do not
>> want to read about I do not want to dwell upon and I do not want to be
>> reminded of the degrading abhorable acts you referred to in that email
>> to the lds-bookshelf.  Eventually I hope, pray and believe that
>> degrading description you had placed  on the lds-bookshelf will
>> eventually be forgotten about by me and that I will no more  think about
>> it and that I will no more be reminded of it.  My soul is sensitive and
>> I am trying to do what I can to help me have more purifying thoughts
>> feelings and desires.
>> So that I will not be as reminded about that degrading somewhat explicit
>> description you placed on lds-bookshelf  I do not want to read any
>> emails by or from you and I do not want to have further contact with
>> you.  I ask that you do not bid on any items I put up for bid on ebay.
>> This is being sent to you now so that I will not need to consider
>> discussing this in the future when the reminder of that degrading
>> abhorable description will have subsided. Please do not contact me
>> again.  This email is being sent by me to your email address at
>> stanshepp@mindspring.com and will not be sent to any other email address
>> by me. .    And immediately after it is sent I will delete it into the
>> email trash and I will immediately empty that email trash to be cleared
>> off my computer and hopefully eventually off my mind and soul.
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:26:31 -0500
From: Marshall Hamilton <marshall@fred.net>
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The shutdown

I'm pretty sure I was an original list member...if I wasn't there at the
*very* beginning, I  came along soon after it started.

I've been pretty much a lurker all the time, but reading the Bookshelf
messages and getting acquainted with fellow bookshelfer has been very
pleasurable. As I said in response to the recent trolling on the list,
the Bookshelf has become a place I really enjoy, and I've resented
others' efforts to remake it in some new image.

Here are some of my favorite moments (these are the ones that come to
mind this morning. I reserve the right to think up other favorites as
the week goes by):

The publication of the Biblioteca Scalawagiana: an extreme act of
generosity by Keith and Hugh. Thank you both.
The Porcine Protocols. I've never laughed out loud at an email message
before or since that time
Over the years, I bought a book from Keith, and I sold several to Hugh
The concern and prayers for Diane's health, and the happiness in seeing
her return
The sly humor in the irregular notes from the "chairman"  up in Michigan

Meeting Scot Denhalter (in person) at his brother's funeral
Reading and printing out Dean's lists, and revising and adding to them

The Bookshelf has been like life itself: full of positive and negative
experiences that have managed to bring together a disparate group of
people. I hope it'll continue in some form.

Marshall
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marshall@fred.net
Frederick, Maryland



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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:00:44 EST
From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Fw: degrading description

In a message dated 02/02/2001 11:04:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
stanshepp@mindspring.com writes:

<< I know that there are women on the list and sensitive people, but I had no 
idea that it
 would cause problems in other peoples lives. >>


All of us read or see things from time to time which had not entered our 
minds previously, and it is true that such imagery can linger much longer 
than its initial un-welcome.  From 1967 to 1973, I heard the "F" word fewer 
than a dozen times, so isolated was my environment (mission and BYU).  Even 
so, I marvel to contemplate the degree of isolation from unpleasantness which 
some people achieve.

This is most decidedly a book topic, because LDS readers and collectors 
inevitably encounter things which shock or irritate them.  Even those who 
actively resist buying or touching what they would consider anti-Mormon books 
will someday read something they did not want to see.  How they handle the 
new-found concept or information will both determine and reveal things about 
not only their collecting, but their approach to life in general.

Dean, for example, has explained frankly on this list how he handles certain 
things which might bother him.  While my approach is sometimes different, I 
have no problem with his approach as he explains it, and I respect it.  And, 
he has been quite gracious about a few things which I accommodate in rather a 
less faithful way than he.  Books open new doors for all of us, but we are 
not required - or always well advised - to walk through every one of them.  
The responsibility, I believe, is not on the author, but on the reader.

RickBook

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:35:52 -0500
From: "Stan Shepp" <stanshepp@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf

For a continuation of the existing bookshelf, I would invite everyone here
to go to this page and join this new group.  The description is simple and I
will try to contact Hugh and Keith later to have you all transferred over
there - but I have to get some work done right now and won't be able to do
more until Monday.

Thanks,

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDS-Bookshelf

Stan Shepp
York, PA
Center of the Universe
stanshepp@mindspring.com
ICQ # 18305161

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Irwin <irwinkw@earthlink.net>
To: <lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 12:00 AM
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf


> Friends,
>
> Hugh and I have been talking about the future of LDS-Bookshelf for the
last
> six months or more.  Though painful, we've concluded that the "Shelf" has
> led a good life but has run its course and that it's time for us to close
> her down.  Perhaps other lists will spring up among bookshelfers that will
> move in more interesting directions but we would respectfully ask that the
> LDS-Bookshelf name not be used.
>
> Rather than just shut the list down abruptly, we thought we would hold a
> week long Irish wake for the Shelf.  The casket for LDS-Bookshelf will
> close on February 10th at which point we will shed a tear and lower her
> into cyber-earth.  Between now and then, we invite bookshelfers to recall
> their best moments on the shelf and otherwise celebrate the great times we
> had together.  All other subjects are off topic.
>
> Please don't ask us to reconsider.  We've anguished over this for a long
> time and our decision is final.  Further discussion will only make it more
> difficult.
>
> Keith & Hugh
> Co-Janitors
>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:24:23 -0700
From: "Dean Eborn" <dean-eborn@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf

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I thought they asked that any new list not use the old name "LDS-Bookshel=
f"?  However, if you got their permission, I will join the new list.  Als=
o, John Redelfs already has a list going.

Dean



- ----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Shepp
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 10:41 AM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf


For a continuation of the existing bookshelf, I would invite everyone her=
e
to go to this page and join this new group.  The description is simple an=
d I
will try to contact Hugh and Keith later to have you all transferred over
there - but I have to get some work done right now and won't be able to d=
o
more until Monday.

Thanks,

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDS-Bookshelf

Stan Shepp
York, PA
Center of the Universe
stanshepp@mindspring.com
ICQ # 18305161

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Irwin <irwinkw@earthlink.net>
To: <lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 12:00 AM
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf


> Friends,
>
> Hugh and I have been talking about the future of LDS-Bookshelf for the
last
> six months or more.  Though painful, we've concluded that the "Shelf" h=
as
> led a good life but has run its course and that it's time for us to clo=
se
> her down.  Perhaps other lists will spring up among bookshelfers that w=
ill
> move in more interesting directions but we would respectfully ask that =
the
> LDS-Bookshelf name not be used.
>
> Rather than just shut the list down abruptly, we thought we would hold =
a
> week long Irish wake for the Shelf.  The casket for LDS-Bookshelf will
> close on February 10th at which point we will shed a tear and lower her
> into cyber-earth.  Between now and then, we invite bookshelfers to reca=
ll
> their best moments on the shelf and otherwise celebrate the great times=
 we
> had together.  All other subjects are off topic.
>
> Please don't ask us to reconsider.  We've anguished over this for a lon=
g
> time and our decision is final.  Further discussion will only make it m=
ore
> difficult.
>
> Keith & Hugh
> Co-Janitors
>
>
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