From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #906 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Friday, February 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 906 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 01:26:45 EST From: NJHERZMAN@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Plotting Shelfer discusses a coupla volumes - --part1_31.10363409.27b39625_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, Diane! You are so funny! Yes, FUNNY. I know you were being sort of serious, but honey, I do the same sort of things and I have NEVER had a brain injury. That is, unless my birth process can be called a brain injury! I would love to drop in for chicken and anchovies -- or artichokes -- or both. Sounds yummy to me. But then, I'd have to read __Mormonism Explained__ while having dinner because being a lurker (mostly) on the LDS-Bookshelf has confused what I used to think I knew about Mormonism. What has ever happened to my friend and yours -- Bill MacKinnon?? I'm getting worried about him. I hope he gets back on the 'Shelf in time to write one of his wonderful sagas -- this time about his sojourn with the Bookshelf. It would be a wonderful companion piece to RickBook's delightful poem. Keepers, yes, they would be keepers. Only 3 days left here -- I can't believe it yet. Where will we meet? Where will you be hanging out? I want to be there, too. And, I hope all the other "neat folks" that I have grown to love will be there, too. I'll be hearing from you, won't I? Norma - --part1_31.10363409.27b39625_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, Diane!  You are so funny!  Yes, FUNNY.  I know you were being sort of
serious, but honey, I do the same sort of things and I have NEVER had a brain
injury.  That is, unless my birth process can be called a brain injury!  

I would love to drop in for chicken and anchovies -- or artichokes -- or
both.  Sounds yummy to me.  But then, I'd have to read __Mormonism
Explained__ while having dinner because being a lurker (mostly) on the
LDS-Bookshelf has confused what I used to think I knew about Mormonism.  

What has ever happened to my friend and yours -- Bill MacKinnon??  I'm
getting worried about him.  I hope he gets back on the 'Shelf in time to
write one of his wonderful sagas -- this time about his sojourn with the
Bookshelf.   It would be a wonderful companion piece to RickBook's delightful
poem.  Keepers, yes, they would be keepers.  

Only 3 days left here -- I can't believe it yet.  Where will we meet?  Where
will you be hanging out?  I want to be there, too.   And, I hope all the
other "neat folks" that I have grown to love will be there, too.  

I'll be hearing from you, won't I?  

Norma - --part1_31.10363409.27b39625_boundary-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:21:39 -0700 From: Diane Peel Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Plotting Shelfer discusses a coupla volumes >What has ever happened to my friend and yours -- Bill MacKinnon?? I'm getting worried about him. I hope he gets back on the 'Shelf in time to write one of his wonderful sagas -- this time about his sojourn with the Bookshelf. It would be a wonderful companion piece to RickBook's delightful >poem. Keepers, yes, they would be keepers. They would be indeed. Whereever Bill is, with Junius, soaking up rays, earnestly writing; I think he is without internet access. Such a pity... - ----- Diane Peel Bookseller at Bibliofind - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:28:22 -0700 From: Diane Peel Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] New group Sign me up Stan. - ----- Diane Peel Bookseller at Bibliofind - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:49:39 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Carter Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf Bookshelfers, Along with many others, I will miss the Bookshelf. I look forward to Bookshelf posts more than those from other lists that I belong to. There have been many highlights over the years: At the top of the list is the reprint of the Bibliotheca Scaliwagiana which Hugh, Keith and Bob Clark made available as a keepsake to Bookshelfers. Getting to meet some of you was great. I had met Will at OCTA conventions. I've met Northern Californians, Greg Bragg, Ron Helm, Joe Geisner and Keith at book fairs or presentations. I've been to a few of Will's presentations when He's come to CA. Greg and I cross paths from time to time at the DIs in Sacramento. And then a number of bookshelfers gathered in the book room at the 1999 MHA convention and even had our picture taken which Keith posted to his Bookshelf web page. Discussions about Dean's book lists were always good and all the posts about books; their availability, collectability, content, etc. Of course there were some low points, the rehashing of who/why had church discipline, the tendency of some to translate discussions into liberal/conservative politics or who supports the brethren more. And those corny brouhahas.... But above all, it's been a great ride. I hope to see some of you at the MHA convention in Cedar City. Many thanks to Hugh and Keith for making it possible. Bob Carter Sacramento P.S. I been looking for Bill to step up to the podium and speak for the Committee, to pronounce an obituary for the Bookshelf. Bill are you still out there? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 01:21:30 GMT From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The future of LDS-Bookshelf > P.S. I been looking for Bill to step up to the podium > and speak for the Committee, to pronounce an obituary > for the Bookshelf. Bill are you still out there? Bill was kind enough to write me and let me know his story. He unsubscribed from the 'shelf about the same time a certain "troller" and a John Bircher showed up. I always admired his refusal to take part in the 'shelf's lower moments (I wish I could say the same for me). He left a farewell message that includes some of his trademarks. I'm at work right now on webmail but as soon as I get home I will forward it to the 'shelf for all to read. Johnd - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 21:17:36 -0800 From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Last Day Friends, I just wanted to say thanks to all who have contributed to our list over the last five years. Though it's been more work than Hugh or I anticipated, it's certainly been worth it. We're leaving with a lot of new friends, memories of some great conversations - both serious and humorous, and a lot of books that we learned more about on the 'Shelf. And, of course, without this group, we never would have produced the reprint of Bibliothica Scallawagiana. All communities evolve over time and Bookshelf was no different. As the preponderance of discussion moved in directions other than what we originally chartered, our sense was that it was time to close down the list. We're glad to see others start new lists with new leadership. My sincere thanks to all of you and we look forward to seeing you in all those places where bibliophiles congregate. Keith (Sweeping the floor for the last time.) - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:30:26 -0700 From: John Hatch Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bill MacKinnon's Farewell Friends, Bill MacKinnon wrote me from Florida today. He's been out of town for some time. He's doing great and as you'll read below, was sad to see the 'shelf go. John From Bill: Maybe I'll get a farewell statement in, but perhaps you could pass the word that I'm sorry to see the 'Shelf go -- for whatever reason -- as it's the only list I've ever belonged so save one brief fling at Mormon History. I'm deeply grateful to the Co-Janitors for their years of a thankless task - -- I signed on in 1997 -- and to the members for their wisdom and tolerance of an outsider who now feels somewhat like an insider. You might report that I am now typing from a small island off the southwest coast of Florida - -- gasp, that island thing again! And, oh yes, I have received firm evidence re the activities and whereabouts of Junius Beaver,Esq. subsequent to his abrupt departure from Beaver Island in 1998 (or was it 1999?) in search of The Truth in Azusa, Island of California. This information will be retailed at the First Bookshelf Reunion for which Rory Swensen and I are preparing appropriate T-shirts. One of my proudest contributions to the 'Shelf was creating the List's very nickname as well as bringing to life its various physicial features such as the highly-burnished circulation desk (pitted by fragmentation grenades at odd intervals), the swinging door leading to the loading dock and its parking lot as well as such amenities as the J.D.Lee Memorial "box" and the Fire In The Lake punishment regimen, which perhaps several members are currently experiencing. Well, I must run now...there is a ruckus down at the island wharf created by several lads from the Coast Guard buoy tender homeported here...too much water skiing it seems, and a boatswain's mate third hit a manatee with unfortunate results. Very different issues than in Lake Michigan but similar behaviors. Cheers! Bill - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:04:18 -0800 From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Our Website The Bookshelf website at http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html will remain up indefinitely, not because I want it that way, but because Whole Earth Networks went bankrupt and no one will give me access to take the site down or even edit it. It may stay there for generations as a monument to the 'Shelf. Who knows. In any case I wanted this on the record. Please don't ask me to make changes to it. I can't. There is a duplicate at http://www.lds-bookshelf.com that Scot Denhalter is hosting for us. We haven't decided what to do with it. Keith - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:39:10 -0600 (CST) From: Robert J Woolley Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Last Day > Keith (Sweeping the floor for the last time.) > Hey, you missed a spot over there by the corner, pal. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:26:39 -0600 From: "Jonathan or Colleen Thomas" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Last Day I want to add my thanks to Hugh and Keith for establishing and maintaining this list over the years. They have done a remarkable job. I have been a member of the list from almost day one and have appreciated the wit and wisdom that has been on display here. While I am still puzzled by the animosity toward certain ideas and institutions that was occasionally expressed on the Shelf, I thoroughly enjoyed being a part of this cast of characters, if only as a lurker most of the time. Thanks to all . . . and I pledge, with every fiber of my being, to continue building my own personal collection of LDS books--and I'll even try not to underline so much in them! :) Jonathan - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Irwin To: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:17 PM Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Last Day > Friends, > > I just wanted to say thanks to all who have contributed to our list over > the last five years. Though it's been more work than Hugh or I > anticipated, it's certainly been worth it. We're leaving with a lot of new > friends, memories of some great conversations - both serious and humorous, > and a lot of books that we learned more about on the 'Shelf. And, of > course, without this group, we never would have produced the reprint of > Bibliothica Scallawagiana. > > All communities evolve over time and Bookshelf was no different. As the > preponderance of discussion moved in directions other than what we > originally chartered, our sense was that it was time to close down the > list. We're glad to see others start new lists with new leadership. > > My sincere thanks to all of you and we look forward to seeing you in all > those places where bibliophiles congregate. > > Keith (Sweeping the floor for the last time.) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:01:50 -0500 (EST) From: markbook@altavista.net Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Last Day Oh, Sorry! that spot must be me. Thanks everyone, I have enjoyed the ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mark Carter ---- you wrote: > > > > Keith (Sweeping the floor for the last time.) > > > > > Hey, you missed a spot over there by the corner, pal. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 08:15:19 -0700 From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Last Day At 09:17 PM 2/8/01 -0800, I wrote: Friends, I dug around in the old Bolis files (our first server) and found what appears to be the first lds-bookshelf post! It is dated Fri. March 22, 1996. So we are lacking about 6 weeks of being 5 years old. When Keith and I started the list I had no idea it would be so much fun. I have learned a lot and met some great people and developed a lot of friendships. As they say on Emmy night " I couldn't begin to name all the people I have come to know on bookshelf for fear of leaving someone out!" . Book collectors are good people. It's been great! Keep collecting Hugh - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 08:46:47 -0700 From: "ROY SCHMIDT" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Last Day It has been a swell time. I've been a member of the "Shelf since pretty close to the beginning, although I did sign myself off for a couple of months after a food fight. I have laughed a lots, became sad a number of times, met and made some fine friends, and learned more about LDS books than I ever expected. I am grateful to Keith and Hugh for all their hard work. As with any worthwhile projects, there is great joy along with frustrations. Through it all, they retained a sense of humor, which says a lot about them. In any event, I hope to see you around. Roy Schmidt PS: My wife and I went to the movies the other evening. You know, they talk now and everything. We saw, "O, Brother, Where Art Thou." What a romp. Check it out. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:18:42 -0800 From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Last Day This is a very difficult post to write........... Before Bookshelf I felt very alone. I was not a good collector, but I took pride in what I bought, what I found, and what I read. I suppose I started buying books when I was 17 and had just met Leonard Arrington for the first time. He was Church Historian at the time and encouraged me to buy and read "Story of the Latter-day Saints". While on my mission I became an avid reader, reading at least an hour a day. Then in my late 20s I started reading the "New Mormon History" and that changed everything for me and books. I could not stop reading and buying. But I felt alone, nobody in California that I knew of read and bought the books I was interested in, and surely nobody told me about preserving d.j.'s, buying only first edition's, buying limited editions, or making sure the book was in v.g. or better condition. The only contact I had was with book dealers. I became close friends with a couple of different dealers and they gave me quite a bit of assistance, but they could not understand me completely. They were dealers, they did this daily, for them it's a job. I was a reader and buyer. I wanted books to inform, and I wanted books that preserved our present and past. I also wanted knowledge about books. And I needed support and encouragement to buy items that I thought were out of my reach. I first found the internet and Mormon lists of various persuasions, but nothing about books. I then heard rumors that a list was going to form specifically about books. Happy happy, joy joy!! Bookshelf met all these things I was missing, It was a place to talk about books, it was a place to learn about books, it was a place to learn where to find books, it was a place to learn what was new and what was coming out, and it was a place that gave me courage and understanding to buy books, e.g. Latter-day Revelations. Two highlights from the last few months: John Hatch, who I hope to meet, posted to the list about the leather "Standing for Something". I called Hugh immediately, but Benchmark was sold out. I then started calling all the Deseret Books in Utah, same answer "sold out", until one store said they has a couple of copies. I bought two and called Hugh back to let him know I had found copies. Kendall Gubler then called Hugh asking what I had asked. Hugh was able to tell him about my find and Kendall then got his copy. highlight number two: I had determined that I would not buy a book w/o its d.j. and "Holy Murder" was one that I wouold either go w/o or find it in a d.j.. Keith posted about Holy Murder and I called Emmett as soon as I read Keith's post figuring it had sold, but gave it a shot. It was my lucky day because nobody had called. So things that I will miss about Bookshelf and about the old bookshelf: I miss people sharing what they buy and how much they paid. This was not to show off, but to inform one another so we were educated buyers. I will miss being on the cutting edge of what's new and hot. I miss getting together. It seems like life has led many of us down paths so we no longer get together. I miss dissecting interesting books with interesting histories such as "Latter-day Revelation, "Selected Manifestations, "Holy Murder", "Key To Theology" and many more. I will miss the quick bits of humor that so many on the list share with us. I will miss developing relationships with people who I have common interests with. Last I would like to thank Keith and Hugh. Not only for their list, but for their friendship. Joe >Friends, > >I just wanted to say thanks to all who have contributed to our list over >the last five years. Though it's been more work than Hugh or I >anticipated, it's certainly been worth it. We're leaving with a lot of new >friends, memories of some great conversations - both serious and humorous, >and a lot of books that we learned more about on the 'Shelf. And, of >course, without this group, we never would have produced the reprint of >Bibliothica Scallawagiana. > >All communities evolve over time and Bookshelf was no different. As the >preponderance of discussion moved in directions other than what we >originally chartered, our sense was that it was time to close down the >list. We're glad to see others start new lists with new leadership. > >My sincere thanks to all of you and we look forward to seeing you in all >those places where bibliophiles congregate. > >Keith (Sweeping the floor for the last time.) > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:13:54 -0500 From: "Stan Shepp" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Last Day I miss the whole durn thing already. It's like losing a pet. Anyone else want to join Mormon-Library? Let me know. Please. Stan Shepp York, PA Center of the Universe stanshepp@mindspring.com ICQ # 18305161 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Geisner To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Last Day > This is a very difficult post to write........... > > Before Bookshelf I felt very alone. I was not a good collector, but I took > pride in what I bought, what I found, and what I read. I suppose I started > buying books when I was 17 and had just met Leonard Arrington for the first > time. He was Church Historian at the time and encouraged me to buy and read > "Story of the Latter-day Saints". While on my mission I became an avid > reader, reading at least an hour a day. Then in my late 20s I started > reading the "New Mormon History" and that changed everything for me and > books. I could not stop reading and buying. But I felt alone, nobody in > California that I knew of read and bought the books I was interested in, and > surely nobody told me about preserving d.j.'s, buying only first edition's, > buying limited editions, or making sure the book was in v.g. or better > condition. > > The only contact I had was with book dealers. I became close friends with a > couple of different dealers and they gave me quite a bit of assistance, but > they could not understand me completely. They were dealers, they did this > daily, for them it's a job. I was a reader and buyer. I wanted books to > inform, and I wanted books that preserved our present and past. I also > wanted knowledge about books. And I needed support and encouragement to buy > items that I thought were out of my reach. > > I first found the internet and Mormon lists of various persuasions, but > nothing about books. I then heard rumors that a list was going to form > specifically about books. Happy happy, joy joy!! Bookshelf met all these > things I was missing, It was a place to talk about books, it was a place to > learn about books, it was a place to learn where to find books, it was a > place to learn what was new and what was coming out, and it was a place that > gave me courage and understanding to buy books, e.g. Latter-day Revelations. > > Two highlights from the last few months: John Hatch, who I hope to meet, > posted to the list about the leather "Standing for Something". I called Hugh > immediately, but Benchmark was sold out. I then started calling all the > Deseret Books in Utah, same answer "sold out", until one store said they has > a couple of copies. I bought two and called Hugh back to let him know I had > found copies. Kendall Gubler then called Hugh asking what I had asked. Hugh > was able to tell him about my find and Kendall then got his copy. > > highlight number two: I had determined that I would not buy a book w/o its > d.j. and "Holy Murder" was one that I wouold either go w/o or find it in a > d.j.. Keith posted about Holy Murder and I called Emmett as soon as I read > Keith's post figuring it had sold, but gave it a shot. It was my lucky day > because nobody had called. > > So things that I will miss about Bookshelf and about the old bookshelf: > > I miss people sharing what they buy and how much they paid. This was not to > show off, but to inform one another so we were educated buyers. > > I will miss being on the cutting edge of what's new and hot. > > I miss getting together. It seems like life has led many of us down paths so > we no longer get together. > > I miss dissecting interesting books with interesting histories such as > "Latter-day Revelation, "Selected Manifestations, "Holy Murder", "Key To > Theology" and many more. > > I will miss the quick bits of humor that so many on the list share with us. > > I will miss developing relationships with people who I have common interests > with. > > Last I would like to thank Keith and Hugh. Not only for their list, but for > their friendship. > > Joe > > >Friends, > > > >I just wanted to say thanks to all who have contributed to our list over > >the last five years. Though it's been more work than Hugh or I > >anticipated, it's certainly been worth it. We're leaving with a lot of new > >friends, memories of some great conversations - both serious and humorous, > >and a lot of books that we learned more about on the 'Shelf. And, of > >course, without this group, we never would have produced the reprint of > >Bibliothica Scallawagiana. > > > >All communities evolve over time and Bookshelf was no different. As the > >preponderance of discussion moved in directions other than what we > >originally chartered, our sense was that it was time to close down the > >list. We're glad to see others start new lists with new leadership. > > > >My sincere thanks to all of you and we look forward to seeing you in all > >those places where bibliophiles congregate. > > > >Keith (Sweeping the floor for the last time.) > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- > >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > >- Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html > >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:50:04 -0600 From: John Hajicek Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Last Day THANK YOU: For being the most intellectual about rare Mormon books -- Rick Grunder, Greg Kofford, Mark Edlund, and Craig Smith (others who wanted to talk about American history, California books, philosophy, religion, and their children, may also have been intellectual, but I want to stick to my focus here). For occasionally mentioning books related to the Beaver Island Mormons - -- Bill MacKinnon, Norma Jean Herzman, Vickie Speek, Mark Edlund, and Stan Shepp (others may also have been culturally tolerant, but not showed it). For also being nicer to me than most were -- Dave Hansen, George Mitton, Nick Literski, Malcolm J. Vickery, Greg Bragg, Neil Simmons, Donnie Morris, Don O'Shields, and Claude Schilling (others who never talked to me may have been nice to others). - -- JOHN HAJICEK http://www.Mormonism.com 3514 Saddle Ridge Drive Independence, Missouri 64057-3355 (800) 862-5667 Toll-free home number (816) 213-6141 Wireless (816) 220-3141 Local home (816) 220-3142 Fax at home - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:23:59 -0600 From: John Hajicek Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Encyclopedia of Latter-day Saint History Is this available yet in stores? Deseret is paying me 5 cents per word for my little contribution near the front of this book. Will Bagley wrote: > > Having hefted home my complimentary copy, I'll provide Scot with a few > observations on "Encyclopedia of Latter-day Saint History" without the > need to visit the Shelf archives. Note that I've only glanced through > it and I suspect those who've spent more time with it could make more > detailed observations. > > At 1454 pages, this is a Big Book, but its standard folio presentation > (6x9) is somewhat puzzling, since the small size restricts the use of > graphics, which are limited to the uninspiring illustrations on > letter-page breaks. Even Jenson's "LDS Bio Encyc," which it strongly > resembles, made a better use of artwork. This is basically a book of > very brief texts, and the entries are, to be kind, uneven. Most are so > sketchy as to be disappointing--see the entry on Jim Bridger, for > instance. Tho the tome addresses a variety of controversial subjects, > it often handles the material in such a milque-toast fashion as to > leave one wondering what all the trouble is about. > > One oddity of this production: they did not send page proofs to > authors for corrections. Perhaps someone invovled in Lamar's > magnificent "New Encyc. of the American West" or other quality > reference works can enlighten us as to whether this is standard > practice. > > There are, unfortunately, some real disasters, with the Mountain > Meadows entry leading the parade. Written almost exlcusively in the > passive voice, it admits several facts long denied in pietistic > sources, such as Brigham Young's forbidding the sale of provisions to > emigrants and his attempt "to win the support of Native Americans in > case of war." But it swallows John D. Lee's Big Lie: that the Indians > initiated the attack on the Fancher party. This contradicts both Orson > Whitney and Joseph Fielding Smith, and I wouldn't want to do that in > an official history. > > Based exclusively on Juanita Brooks, the entry ignores 40 years of > subsequent research. I'd call this "ostrich history"; if new works > destroy old myths, simply ignore them. But to whine, "It remains > difficult to understand how Latter-day Saints could have participated > in such a horrible, tragic affair" fails to address the most recent > work that indicates these men committed cold-blooded murder _because_ > they were Mormons. Unbelievably, the entry says the "wagon train [was] > led by Charles Fancher," another JDL myth. (Brooks, God bless her, did > name Alexander Fancher in her laters revisions of MMM). Oddly, the > brief entry gives a lot of play to courier James Haslam (hey, even > Bancroft said his story was probably "not a trick of the First > Presidency"), and compounds the embarrassment by giving him his own > entry--and misspelling his name. > > But the Brannan entry isn't bad--just expurgated. > > Will Bagley > The Prairie Dog Press > > I find the more I find out, the more I need to fi nd out.--Dale L. > Morgann > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - -- JOHN HAJICEK http://www.Mormonism.com 3514 Saddle Ridge Drive Independence, Missouri 64057-3355 (800) 862-5667 Toll-free home number (816) 213-6141 Wireless (816) 220-3141 Local home (816) 220-3142 Fax at home - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:07:13 -0600 From: John Hajicek Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] hugh's post Hugh McKell wrote: > [To John Hajicek] Can't imagine anyone having as many firsts of the BOM as you > singing Keith's alarming song. But then, you're not a dealer. Tom Kimball wrote: > Great post Hugh, very interesting. There are two things I don't understand > and that is why you think John is not a dealer and why everyone thinks (as > legend has it) that John has 20 plus 1st Book of Mormons. John has always > represented himself to Greg Kofford and I that he is a dealer and that the > Book of Mormons that he buys are for customers and not to fill some > unnatural affinity for 60-90 thousand dollar books. As far as Greg and I can > tell our friend John sells books for a living just like you and I. In fact > he E-Mailed me this week and asked for his dealer discount for our leather > bound bibliography. Unless I'm missing something that should settle that > question. John, feel free to wade into this discussion at any time. If > anything we should thank John for making this hobby all that more > interesting. Hugh McKell wrote: > The last sentence of that post was followed by a . Just a little private > humor which maybe John picked up, but let's have John tell us. > > John, are you a dealer and do you have 20 plus 1st edition Books of Mormon? This was a cute trolling thread that I did not have time for back in October, but it included a direct question from one of the list owners working for a dealer, so I better answer it before the list is ended. *****The simple answer is that I am primarily a collector, but can legally act as a dealer***** 1. I do not have a bookstore. 2. I issued only two catalogs, but none since 1992. 3. I have never sold at a book fair. 4. I have sold only one Mormon book on eBay, and none at any other auction. 5. I have no used books currently available for sale. 6. I do have a Bibliofind account, but it lists only five (5) not-for-profit books that I helped print, and they are new books not rare books - I have only received one order, ever. (Other new books are available at http://www.MormonChristmas.com and http://www.Strangite.org/Catalog.htm ). 7. I have now bought three-dozen first edition Books of Mormon, and the amount I pay is still rising steadily. 8. I do not still own every copy of the first edition that I bought, but I still own enough of them that I actually do not know the number, it is so many. 9. I bought every copy of the first edition for myself except one of them, but sold a handful of the others over the years to people that I considered friends (at least I have been in each of their homes, and had dinner with each of them, and they all know my wife and children personally). 10. I sold rare books to only four people in the last three years, that I remember. One of them was a book that involved a trade with Kofford Books, and I really did it to get a first Hawaiian Book of Mormon into the collection of a colleague to finish off a set that he assembled through a Provo dealer. 11. Most of the Mormon dealers outside of Salt Lake City appreciate me as a regular customer, and also recognize that I intend to sell my collection some day, and have continued my reciprocal dealer discount even though I have not been currently selling books. 12. I own more copies of Peter Crawley's bibliography than Grandin Book and Kofford Books combined issued in leather, entitling me to dealer status on that particular book, but that is a new book not a used book. - -- JOHN HAJICEK http://www.Mormonism.com 3514 Saddle Ridge Drive Independence, Missouri 64057-3355 (800) 862-5667 Toll-free home number (816) 213-6141 Wireless (816) 220-3141 Local home (816) 220-3142 Fax at home - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - Webpage: http://www.wenet.net/~kirwin/bshelf.html - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ End of lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #906 ***********************************