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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:26:29 -0700
From: "ROY SCHMIDT" <SCHMIDLG@con2.byu.edu>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Problems of the Book of Mormon

I just took a quick look on Bibliofind, and saw five copies listed at
$30, $75, $27.50, $12, and $15. The $30 copy is signed by Sperry.
Based on this, I would say that it is not particularly scarce, and not
particularly valuable, in monetary terms, at least.

Roy

>>> "Matthew T. Wirthlin" <MTW@pyglaw.com> 03/13/01 02:16PM >>>
Shelfers,

Wow, how nice it is to have the old shelf back!  I was a shelfer four
to five years ago, and owe so much to what I learned on the shelf from
many of you.  I dropped off the shelf, due to some technical
difficulties, but as I followed the discussions on the archives, I
didn't appear to miss much.  

Enough with the babble and on to my question.  There was a book
written by Sidney B. Sperry (former dean of religion at BYU in the
50's and 60's) called, I believe, "Problems of the Book of Mormon,"
where Sperry proposes answers to some of the "problems" posed by the
Book of Mormon.  It is a white book, with green writing on the dust
jacket.  I have heard, and I don't recall my source, that this book
was received somewhat cooly by general church leaders and also by the
general membership.  I understand it only went through one small
printing and then was not reprinted despite demand for the book.  

I have only seen a couple over the years, so it appears to be
difficult to find, but I don't know how scrarce, if at all, this book
is.  Does anyone know the rest of the story or the truth of the story
of this book?  What would you place its value at (assuming good
condition with dust jacket)?  Is it scarce, rare, difficult to find? 
Any information anyone has would be helpful and interesting.  Thanks.

Matt

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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:32:20 -0700
From: "Matthew T. Wirthlin" <MTW@pyglaw.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Problems of the Book of Mormon

Thanks, Roy.  It appears that maybe that $75 one on Bibliofind may have =
heard the same story I did, or the ones selling for much less don't really =
know how scarce this book is <grin>!!

Curt or Hugh, is this book on Benchmark's Want List?  Have you guys seen =
many copies?

>>> SCHMIDLG@con2.byu.edu 03/13 2:26 PM >>>
I just took a quick look on Bibliofind, and saw five copies listed at
$30, $75, $27.50, $12, and $15. The $30 copy is signed by Sperry.
Based on this, I would say that it is not particularly scarce, and not
particularly valuable, in monetary terms, at least.

Roy

>>> "Matthew T. Wirthlin" <MTW@pyglaw.com> 03/13/01 02:16PM >>>
Shelfers,

Wow, how nice it is to have the old shelf back!  I was a shelfer four
to five years ago, and owe so much to what I learned on the shelf from
many of you.  I dropped off the shelf, due to some technical
difficulties, but as I followed the discussions on the archives, I
didn't appear to miss much. =20

Enough with the babble and on to my question.  There was a book
written by Sidney B. Sperry (former dean of religion at BYU in the
50's and 60's) called, I believe, "Problems of the Book of Mormon,"
where Sperry proposes answers to some of the "problems" posed by the
Book of Mormon.  It is a white book, with green writing on the dust
jacket.  I have heard, and I don't recall my source, that this book
was received somewhat cooly by general church leaders and also by the
general membership.  I understand it only went through one small
printing and then was not reprinted despite demand for the book. =20

I have only seen a couple over the years, so it appears to be
difficult to find, but I don't know how scrarce, if at all, this book
is.  Does anyone know the rest of the story or the truth of the story
of this book?  What would you place its value at (assuming good
condition with dust jacket)?  Is it scarce, rare, difficult to find?=20
Any information anyone has would be helpful and interesting.  Thanks.

Matt

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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:08:02 -0700
From: Curt Bench <cbench@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Problems of the Book of Mormon

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"Matthew T. Wirthlin" wrote:
.  There was a book written by Sidney B. Sperry (former dean of religion at BYU in the 50's and 60's) called, I believe, "Problems of the Book of Mormon," where Sperry proposes answers to some of the "problems" posed by the Book of Mormon.  It is a white book, with green writing on the dust jacket.  I have heard, and I don't recall my source, that this book was received somewhat cooly by general church leaders and also by the general membership.  I understand it only went through one small printing and then was not reprinted despite demand for the book.

>
> I have only seen a couple over the years, so it appears to be difficult to find, but I don't know how scrarce, if at all, this book is.  Does anyone know the rest of the story or the truth of the story of this book?  What would you place its value at (assuming good condition with dust jacket)?  Is it scarce, rare, difficult to find?  Any information anyone has would be helpful and interesting.  Thanks.
>
> Matt,

Problems of the Book of Mormon by Sperry is not especially scarce; I've had quite a few copies for sale over the years. However, there is a story behind it, but, unfortunately, I know only a few details.  As I learned in my younger days at Deseret Book, Bookcraft first published the book (written to answer anti-Mormon charges against the Book of Mormon) with that title.  Then someone with influence (presumably one of the Brethren, but I'm uncertain of that) commented that there are no problems with the Book of Mormon, that this was an inappropriate title, and that it should be changed.  The new title
was Answers to Book of Mormon Questions and this is the book that one finds much more often than Problems . . .

We have an ok copy of Problems with no dj for $16.50; in my opinion, a nice copy in dj ought to be $25 or so.  Answers. . . tends to run $12-15.  This situation is a good example of what can happen when a book is suppressed or "bowdlerized,"  even mildly.  When collectors know of such actions, they usually want a copy of the pre-doctored book.  We booksellers love it when that happens.

Curt Bench

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<p>"Matthew T. Wirthlin" wrote:
<br>.&nbsp; There was a book written by Sidney B. Sperry (former dean of
religion at BYU in the 50's and 60's) called, I believe, "Problems of the
Book of Mormon," where Sperry proposes answers to some of the "problems"
posed by the Book of Mormon.&nbsp; It is a white book, with green writing
on the dust jacket.&nbsp; I have heard, and I don't recall my source, that
this book was received somewhat cooly by general church leaders and also
by the general membership.&nbsp; I understand it only went through one
small printing and then was not reprinted despite demand for the book.
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<br>I have only seen a couple over the years, so it appears to be difficult
to find, but I don't know how scrarce, if at all, this book is.&nbsp; Does
anyone know the rest of the story or the truth of the story of this book?&nbsp;
What would you place its value at (assuming good condition with dust jacket)?&nbsp;
Is it scarce, rare, difficult to find?&nbsp; Any information anyone has
would be helpful and interesting.&nbsp; Thanks.
<p>Matt,</blockquote>
<u>Problems of the Book of Mormon</u> by Sperry is not especially scarce;
I've had quite a few copies for sale over the years. However, there is
a story behind it, but, unfortunately, I know only a few details.&nbsp;
As I learned in my younger days at Deseret Book, Bookcraft first published
the book (written to answer anti-Mormon charges against the Book of Mormon)
with that title.&nbsp; Then someone with influence (presumably one of the
Brethren, but I'm uncertain of that) commented that there are no problems
with the Book of Mormon, that this was an inappropriate title, and that
it should be changed.&nbsp; The new title was <u>Answers to Book of Mormon
Questions </u>and this is the book that one finds much more often than
<u>Problems . . .</u><u></u>
<p>We have an ok copy of <u>Problems </u>with no dj for $16.50; in my opinion,
a nice copy in dj ought to be $25 or so.&nbsp;<u> Answers. . . </u>tends
to run $12-15.&nbsp; This situation is a good example of what can happen
when a book is suppressed or "bowdlerized,"&nbsp; even mildly.&nbsp; When
collectors know of such actions, they usually want a copy of the pre-doctored
book.&nbsp; We booksellers love it when that happens.
<p>Curt Bench
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:46:06 -0700
From: "Matthew T. Wirthlin" <MTW@pyglaw.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Problems of the Book of Mormon

Curt,

As always, you are a wellspring of information.  Thanks for the rest of =
the story. =20

Matt

>>> cbench@netzero.net 03/13 3:08 PM >>>


Problems of the Book of Mormon by Sperry is not especially scarce; I've =
had quite a few copies for sale over the years. However, there is a story =
behind it, but, unfortunately, I know only a few details.  As I learned in =
my younger days at Deseret Book, Bookcraft first published the book =
(written to answer anti-Mormon charges against the Book of Mormon) with =
that title.  Then someone with influence (presumably one of the Brethren, =
but I'm uncertain of that) commented that there are no problems with the =
Book of Mormon, that this was an inappropriate title, and that it should =
be changed.  The new title
was Answers to Book of Mormon Questions and this is the book that one =
finds much more often than Problems . . .

We have an ok copy of Problems with no dj for $16.50; in my opinion, a =
nice copy in dj ought to be $25 or so.  Answers. . . tends to run $12-15.  =
This situation is a good example of what can happen when a book is =
suppressed or "bowdlerized,"  even mildly.  When collectors know of such =
actions, they usually want a copy of the pre-doctored book.  We booksellers=
 love it when that happens.

Curt Bench

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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:10:10 -0800
From: Keith Irwin <irwinkw@earthlink.net>
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother

Annie Clark Tanner's biography A MORMON MOTHER was originally published in 
1941.  It's been reprinted several times and the reprints are easy to come 
by.  The first, otoh, is pretty difficult to locate in my experience.

Does anyone know:

1.  What the print run was on the 1941 edition?
2.  Was it just done as a family/friends publication like "Recollections of 
a Handcart Pioneer?"
2.  What the story was on the first reprint (1969)?  I've heard that Obert 
Tanner was not happy that this was being reprinted but I have no 
documentation, just well qualified rumor.

Keith


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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:36:12 -0800
From: "Craig Smith" <crasmith@wyoming.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother

According to Saunders Collectible Mormon Books it was published only for
family and a few friends.  It was printed by the Deseret News Press.  My
copy is bound in leather.  The copy I have is the only copy I've seen for
sale.

Craig Smith
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> Annie Clark Tanner's biography A MORMON MOTHER was originally published in
> 1941.  It's been reprinted several times and the reprints are easy to come
> by.  The first, otoh, is pretty difficult to locate in my experience.
>
> Does anyone know:
>
> 1.  What the print run was on the 1941 edition?
> 2.  Was it just done as a family/friends publication like "Recollections
of
> a Handcart Pioneer?"
> 2.  What the story was on the first reprint (1969)?  I've heard that Obert
> Tanner was not happy that this was being reprinted but I have no
> documentation, just well qualified rumor.
>
> Keith
>
>
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:15:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Bob Carter <bcarter3@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother

I have a hardback reprint edition copyrighted 1983 by
Obert C. Tanner. It was published by the Tanner Trust
Fund and University of Utah Library. It states 3rd
edition and is part of the Utah, Mormons and the West
series. It is blue cloth with a predominantly blue
jacket. It is inscribed to Laura by Obert which I
assume to be Obert C. Tanner.

The jacket states that the book was written as an
autobiography for her family in 1941 by Annie in the
last year of her life.

Bob Carter

- --- Craig Smith <crasmith@wyoming.com> wrote:
> According to Saunders Collectible Mormon Books it
> was published only for
> family and a few friends.  It was printed by the
> Deseret News Press.  My
> copy is bound in leather.  The copy I have is the
> only copy I've seen for
> sale.
> 
> Craig Smith
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> From: Keith Irwin <irwinkw@earthlink.net>
> To: <lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:10 AM
> Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother
> 
> 
> > Annie Clark Tanner's biography A MORMON MOTHER was
> originally published in
> > 1941.  It's been reprinted several times and the
> reprints are easy to come
> > by.  The first, otoh, is pretty difficult to
> locate in my experience.
> >
> > Does anyone know:
> >
> > 1.  What the print run was on the 1941 edition?
> > 2.  Was it just done as a family/friends
> publication like "Recollections
> of
> > a Handcart Pioneer?"
> > 2.  What the story was on the first reprint
> (1969)?  I've heard that Obert
> > Tanner was not happy that this was being reprinted
> but I have no
> > documentation, just well qualified rumor.
> >
> > Keith
> >


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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:25:42 EST
From: BJRom@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother

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I do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but by the time of 
the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as evidenced by 
his 19-page foreword to that edition--a rather personal account that provides 
some important familial tidbits that are interesting and well worth reading. 
His remarks do make it clear that some in the family did not share enthusiasm 
about reprinting the book. I suppose he initially could have been one of 
those, but that's not revealed in his writing.  He does say that its painful 
to admit, but that the evidence reveals that his mother's life was tragic.  
He also talks about loaning his copy of the first edition to Eleanor 
Roosevelt and others to read and describes their reactions.  A small excerpt 
from his foreword explains some things about the genesis of the book and its 
reprintings:

"[Annie Clark Tanner] wrote this story when she was seventy-seven years old, 
in 1941, the last year of her life.  It was written, she explains in the last 
chapter, 'from my memory and a few stray letters I have chanced to find.'

"Members of her family treasured their copies. They considered her story so 
personal, that few outside the family ever saw this autobiography.

"Then in 1969, Dale Morgan, a great scholar of Mormon history, wrote the 
following: 'Perhaps it is for the valiance of her spirit and the sensitive 
reflection of a rare life, rather than for the distinction of the prose that 
I vividly remember, after almost thirty years, Annie Clark Tanner's _A Mormon 
Mother_. This book has been closely held within the Tanner family; the only 
institutionally-oned copies I know of are those in the Church Historian's 
Office, the [BYU] Library, and the Salt Lake Public Library.  This work may 
well be one of the monuments of Mormon literature, and thus far it is almost 
totally unknown in that literature. If by saying this much and no more, I 
persuade others to search out the book and savor its quality, I shall have 
done well.' (Morgan, "Literature in the History of the Church . . ., 
_Dialogue_ Autumn 1969, p.31.

"Following the publication of this high praise by such an eminent scholar, 
requests for copies came from many libraries and bookstores.  With the 
passing of time there was less reluctance in having this intimate family 
story published. And now this Preface is being written for a third printing." 
(pp. xii-xiii)

My copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The copyright page indicates that it is "First 
Revised Edition 1973 / Limited to 1250 Copies."  It is inscirbed by Obert.

Hope this helps.

Brian Romriell

 

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>I do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but by the time of 
<BR>the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as evidenced by 
<BR>his 19-page foreword to that edition--a rather personal account that provides 
<BR>some important familial tidbits that are interesting and well worth reading. 
<BR>His remarks do make it clear that some in the family did not share enthusiasm 
<BR>about reprinting the book. I suppose he initially could have been one of 
<BR>those, but that's not revealed in his writing. &nbsp;He does say that its painful 
<BR>to admit, but that the evidence reveals that his mother's life was tragic. &nbsp;
<BR>He also talks about loaning his copy of the first edition to Eleanor 
<BR>Roosevelt and others to read and describes their reactions. &nbsp;A small excerpt 
<BR>from his foreword explains some things about the genesis of the book and its 
<BR>reprintings:
<BR>
<BR>"[Annie Clark Tanner] wrote this story when she was seventy-seven years old, 
<BR>in 1941, the last year of her life. &nbsp;It was written, she explains in the last 
<BR>chapter, 'from my memory and a few stray letters I have chanced to find.'
<BR>
<BR>"Members of her family treasured their copies. They considered her story so 
<BR>personal, that few outside the family ever saw this autobiography.
<BR>
<BR>"Then in 1969, Dale Morgan, a great scholar of Mormon history, wrote the 
<BR>following: 'Perhaps it is for the valiance of her spirit and the sensitive 
<BR>reflection of a rare life, rather than for the distinction of the prose that 
<BR>I vividly remember, after almost thirty years, Annie Clark Tanner's _A Mormon 
<BR>Mother_. This book has been closely held within the Tanner family; the only 
<BR>institutionally-oned copies I know of are those in the Church Historian's 
<BR>Office, the [BYU] Library, and the Salt Lake Public Library. &nbsp;This work may 
<BR>well be one of the monuments of Mormon literature, and thus far it is almost 
<BR>totally unknown in that literature. If by saying this much and no more, I 
<BR>persuade others to search out the book and savor its quality, I shall have 
<BR>done well.' (Morgan, "Literature in the History of the Church . . ., 
<BR>_Dialogue_ Autumn 1969, p.31.
<BR>
<BR>"Following the publication of this high praise by such an eminent scholar, 
<BR>requests for copies came from many libraries and bookstores. &nbsp;With the 
<BR>passing of time there was less reluctance in having this intimate family 
<BR>story published. And now this Preface is being written for a third printing." 
<BR>(pp. xii-xiii)
<BR>
<BR>My copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The copyright page indicates that it is "First 
<BR>Revised Edition 1973 / Limited to 1250 Copies." &nbsp;It is inscirbed by Obert.
<BR>
<BR>Hope this helps.
<BR>
<BR>Brian Romriell
<BR>
<BR> </FONT></HTML>

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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:45:30 EST
From: RickBook@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother

In a message dated 03/16/2001 11:28:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
BJRom@aol.com writes:

<< I do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but by the time 
of 
 the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as evidenced 
by 
 his 19-page foreword to that edition  . . .>>


Thanks for your detailed write-up on the book, Brian.  It was very useful, 
and I have saved it in my permanent reference file.  And, how wonderful to 
impart and receive this information without agonizing about whether or not 
the "eminent scholar" who was quoted had a temple recommend:  I must say that 
I am enjoying the New LDS-Bookshelf very much indeed!

Rick Grunder

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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:12:51 -0800
From: "Joe Geisner" <rbssman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother

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<P>It's great to be back on Bookshelf. Hugh and Keith had to pray and fast for a couple of weeks to decide if I should be allowed on the list. I am glad they decide I was worth a second chance.:-)</P>
<P>I have been learning great stuff already. Matt Wirthlin's question about "Problems With The BOM" and Keith's about "A Mormon Mother" have been quite educational for a book lover.</P>
<P>From what has been posted I have learned that the 1st edition, 1st printing was the private and for family and friends. Those who have a 1st, does it say anything about who was the moving force behind its publication? I also learned that Obert Tanner and the UofU did the third printing, 1st revised edition. Who did the 2nd printing in 1969?</P>
<P>Joe</P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but by the time of 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as evidenced by 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;his 19-page foreword to that edition--a rather personal account that provides 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;some important familial tidbits that are interesting and well worth reading. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;His remarks do make it clear that some in the family did not share enthusiasm 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;about reprinting the book. I suppose he initially could have been one of 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;those, but that's not revealed in his writing. He does say that its painful 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;to admit, but that the evidence reveals that his mother's life was tragic. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;He also talks about loaning his copy of the first edition to Eleanor 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Roosevelt and others to read and describes their reactions. A small excerpt 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;from his foreword explains some things about the genesis of the book and its 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;reprintings: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;"[Annie Clark Tanner] wrote this story when she was seventy-seven years old, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;in 1941, the last year of her life. It was written, she explains in the last 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;chapter, 'from my memory and a few stray letters I have chanced to find.' 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;"Members of her family treasured their copies. They considered her story so 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;personal, that few outside the family ever saw this autobiography. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;"Then in 1969, Dale Morgan, a great scholar of Mormon history, wrote the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;following: 'Perhaps it is for the valiance of her spirit and the sensitive 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;reflection of a rare life, rather than for the distinction of the prose that 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I vividly remember, after almost thirty years, Annie Clark Tanner's _A Mormon 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Mother_. This book has been closely held within the Tanner family; the only 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;institutionally-oned copies I know of are those in the Church Historian's 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Office, the [BYU] Library, and the Salt Lake Public Library. This work may 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;well be one of the monuments of Mormon literature, and thus far it is almost 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;totally unknown in that literature. If by saying this much and no more, I 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;persuade others to search out the book and savor its quality, I shall have 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;done well.' (Morgan, "Literature in the History of the Church . . ., 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;_Dialogue_ Autumn 1969, p.31. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;"Following the publication of this high praise by such an eminent scholar, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;requests for copies came from many libraries and bookstores. With the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;passing of time there was less reluctance in having this intimate family 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;story published. And now this Preface is being written for a third printing." 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;(pp. xii-xiii) 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;My copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The copyright page indicates that it is "First 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Revised Edition 1973 / Limited to 1250 Copies." It is inscirbed by Obert. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Hope this helps. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Brian Romriell 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:39:33 -0800
From: "Steve Eccles" <seccles@gte.net>
Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother

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I wonder if the U of U reprint was because of a large donation by =
Tanner? I know Arrington wrote a book on David Eccles for Utah State =
University that corresponded with a health donation from the Eccles =
Foundation.
=20
- --Steve
=20
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From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe Geisner
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:13 AM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother
=20
It's great to be back on Bookshelf. Hugh and Keith had to pray and fast =
for a couple of weeks to decide if I should be allowed on the list. I am =
glad they decide I was worth a second chance.:-)
I have been learning great stuff already. Matt Wirthlin's question about =
"Problems With The BOM" and Keith's about "A Mormon Mother" have been =
quite educational for a book lover.
From what has been posted I have learned that the 1st edition, 1st =
printing was the private and for family and friends. Those who have a =
1st, does it say anything about who was the moving force behind its =
publication? I also learned that Obert Tanner and the UofU did the third =
printing, 1st revised edition. Who did the 2nd printing in 1969?
Joe
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reading.=20
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of=20
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>My copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The copyright page indicates that it is =
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Obert.=20
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>Hope this helps.=20
>=20
>Brian Romriell=20
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I
wonder if the U of U reprint was because of a large donation by =
</span><st1:GivenName><span
  style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span =
class=3DGramE>Tanner</span></span></st1:GivenName><span
 style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span =
class=3DGramE>?</span>
 I know Arrington wrote a book on =
</span><st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName><span
     =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>David</span></st1=
:GivenName><span
    style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> =
</span><st1:Sn><span
      =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Eccles</span></st=
1:Sn></st2:PersonName><span
    style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> for Utah =
State
    University that corresponded with a health donation from the Eccles
    Foundation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
    <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
    color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
    <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
    color:navy'>--Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
    <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
    color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
    <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;
    margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
    font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
    <b>From:</b> owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
    [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]<b>On Behalf Of =
</b></span><st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName><span
        =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Joe</span></st1:GivenName><=
span
       style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
</span><st1:Sn><span
         =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Geisner</span></st1:Sn></st=
2:PersonName><span
       style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
       <b>Sent:</b> </span><st2:date Month=3D"3" Day=3D"16" =
Year=3D"2001"><span
         style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Friday, March 16, =
2001</span></st2:date><span
        style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span><st2:time =
Hour=3D"10"
         Minute=3D"13"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>10:13 =
AM</span></st2:time><span
         style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
         <b>To:</b> lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com<br>
         <b>Subject:</b> Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother</span></p>
         <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
         <div>
         <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>It's great to be back on =
Bookshelf. <st1:GivenName>Hugh</st1:GivenName>
          and <st1:GivenName>Keith</st1:GivenName> had to pray and fast =
for a
           couple of weeks to decide if I should be allowed on the list. =
I am
           glad they decide I was worth a second =
chance.:-)<o:p></o:p></p>
           <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>I have been learning great =
stuff
           already. <st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Matt</st1:GivenName> =
<st1:Sn>Wirthlin</st1:Sn></st2:PersonName>'s
              question about &quot;Problems With The BOM&quot; and =
<st1:GivenName>Keith</st1:GivenName>'s
               about &quot;A Mormon Mother&quot; have been quite =
educational
               for a book lover.<o:p></o:p></p>
               <p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>From what has been posted I =
have
               learned that the 1st edition, 1st printing was the =
private and
               for family and friends. Those who have a 1st, does it say
               anything about who was the moving force behind its =
publication?
               I also learned that =
<st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Obert</st1:GivenName>
                  <st1:Sn>Tanner</st1:Sn></st2:PersonName> and the UofU =
did the
                  third printing, 1st revised edition. Who did the 2nd =
printing
                  in 1969?<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><st1:GivenName>Joe</st1:GivenName><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
                   </div>
                   <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;I =
do not
                   know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but =
by the
                   time of <o:p></o:p></p>
                   <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;the revised
                   edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as
                   evidenced by <o:p></o:p></p>
                   <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;his 19-page
                   foreword to that edition--a rather personal account =
that
                   provides <o:p></o:p></p>
                   <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;some
                   important familial tidbits that are interesting and =
well worth
                   reading. <o:p></o:p></p>
                   <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;His remarks
                   do make it clear that some in the family did not =
share
                   enthusiasm <o:p></o:p></p>
                   <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;about
                   reprinting the book. I suppose he initially could =
have been
                   one of <o:p></o:p></p>
                   <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;those, but
                   that's not revealed in his writing. He does say that =
its
                   painful <o:p></o:p></p>
                   <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;to admit,
                   but that the evidence reveals that his mother's life =
was
                   tragic. <o:p></o:p></p>
                   <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;He also
                   talks about loaning his copy of the first edition to =
<st1:GivenName>Eleanor</st1:GivenName>
                    <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;<st1:Sn>Roosevelt</st1:Sn>
                     and others to read and describes their reactions. A =
small
                     excerpt <o:p></o:p></p>
                     <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;from his
                     foreword explains some things about the genesis of =
the
                     book and its <o:p></o:p></p>
                     <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;reprintings:
                     <o:p></o:p></p>
                     <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
                     <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;&quot;[<st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Anni=
e</st1:GivenName>
                        <st1:middlename>Clark</st1:middlename> =
<st1:Sn>Tanner</st1:Sn></st2:PersonName>]
                         wrote this story when she was seventy-seven =
years old,
                         <o:p></o:p></p>
                         <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;in
                         1941, the last year of her life. It was =
written, she
                         explains in the last <o:p></o:p></p>
                         <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;chapter,
                         'from my memory and a few stray letters I have =
chanced
                         to find.' <o:p></o:p></p>
                         <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
                         <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;&quot;Members
                         of her family treasured their copies. They =
considered
                         her story so <o:p></o:p></p>
                         <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;personal,
                         that few outside the family ever saw this
                         autobiography. <o:p></o:p></p>
                         <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
                         <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;&quot;Then
                         in 1969, =
<st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Dale</st1:GivenName>
                            <st1:Sn>Morgan</st1:Sn></st2:PersonName>, a =
great
                            scholar of Mormon history, wrote the =
<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;following:
                            'Perhaps it is for the valiance of her =
spirit and
                            the sensitive <o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;reflection
                            of a rare life, rather than for the =
distinction of
                            the prose that <o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;I
                            vividly remember, after almost thirty years, =
<st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Annie</st1:GivenName>
                               <st1:middlename>Clark</st1:middlename> =
<st1:Sn>Tanner</st1:Sn></st2:PersonName>'s
                                _A Mormon <o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;Mother_.
                                This book has been closely held within =
the <st1:GivenName>Tanner</st1:GivenName>
                                 family; the only <o:p></o:p></p>
                                 <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;institutionally-oned
                                 copies I know of are those in the =
Church
                                 Historian's <o:p></o:p></p>
                                 <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;Office,
                                 the [BYU] Library, and the Salt Lake =
Public
                                 Library. This work may <o:p></o:p></p>
                                 <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;well
                                 be one of the monuments of Mormon =
literature,
                                 and thus far it is almost =
<o:p></o:p></p>
                                 <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;totally
                                 unknown in that literature. If by =
saying this
                                 much and no more, I <o:p></o:p></p>
                                 <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;persuade
                                 others to search out the book and savor =
its
                                 quality, I shall have <o:p></o:p></p>
                                 <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;done
                                 well.' =
(<st1:GivenName>Morgan</st1:GivenName>,
                                  &quot;Literature in the History of the =
Church
                                  . . ., <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;_Dialogue_
                                  Autumn 1969, p.31. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;&quot;Following
                                  the publication of this high praise by =
such
                                  an eminent scholar, <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;requests
                                  for copies came from many libraries =
and
                                  bookstores. With the <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;passing
                                  of time there was less reluctance in =
having
                                  this intimate family <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;story
                                  published. And now this Preface is =
being
                                  written for a third printing.&quot; =
<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;(pp.
                                  xii-xiii) <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;My
                                  copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The =
copyright page
                                  indicates that it is &quot;First =
<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;Revised
                                  Edition 1973 / Limited to 1250 =
Copies.&quot;
                                  It is inscirbed by Obert. =
<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;Hope
                                  this helps. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&gt;<st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Brian</st1:=
GivenName>
                                     =
<st1:Sn>Romriell</st1:Sn></st2:PersonName>
                                     <o:p></o:p></p>
                                     <p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:
                                     .5in'>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
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