From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #914 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Sunday, March 18 2001 Volume 01 : Number 914 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:52:22 -0700 From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother - --------------FEA132D2E91A15C242F273AE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This title was printed as a volume in the University of Utah's Tanner Trust series. All of the volumes in this series are funded by a grant from the Tanner Foundation. Ken Sanders Steve Eccles wrote: > I wonder if the U of U reprint was because of a large donation > by Tanner? I know Arrington wrote a book on DavidEccles for Utah State > University that corresponded with a health donation from the Eccles > Foundation. > > --Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of JoeGeisner > > Sent:Friday, March 16, 200110:13 AM > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother > > It's great to be back on Bookshelf. Hugh and Keith had to pray and > fast for a couple of weeks to decide if I should be allowed on the > list. I am glad they decide I was worth a second chance.:-) > > I have been learning great stuff already. MattWirthlin's question > about "Problems With The BOM" and Keith's about "A Mormon Mother" have > been quite educational for a book lover. > > From what has been posted I have learned that the 1st edition, 1st > printing was the private and for family and friends. Those who have a > 1st, does it say anything about who was the moving force behind its > publication? I also learned that ObertTanner and the UofU did the > third printing, 1st revised edition. Who did the 2nd printing in 1969? > > Joe > >I do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but by the > time of > > >the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as > evidenced by > > >his 19-page foreword to that edition--a rather personal account that > provides > > >some important familial tidbits that are interesting and well worth > reading. > > >His remarks do make it clear that some in the family did not share > enthusiasm > > >about reprinting the book. I suppose he initially could have been one > of > > >those, but that's not revealed in his writing. He does say that its > painful > > >to admit, but that the evidence reveals that his mother's life was > tragic. > > >He also talks about loaning his copy of the first edition to Eleanor > > >Roosevelt and others to read and describes their reactions. A small > excerpt > > >from his foreword explains some things about the genesis of the book > and its > > >reprintings: > > > > > >"[AnnieClarkTanner] wrote this story when she was seventy-seven years > old, > > >in 1941, the last year of her life. It was written, she explains in > the last > > >chapter, 'from my memory and a few stray letters I have chanced to > find.' > > > > > >"Members of her family treasured their copies. They considered her > story so > > >personal, that few outside the family ever saw this autobiography. > > > > > >"Then in 1969, DaleMorgan, a great scholar of Mormon history, wrote > the > > >following: 'Perhaps it is for the valiance of her spirit and the > sensitive > > >reflection of a rare life, rather than for the distinction of the > prose that > > >I vividly remember, after almost thirty years, AnnieClarkTanner's _A > Mormon > > >Mother_. This book has been closely held within the Tanner family; > the only > > >institutionally-oned copies I know of are those in the Church > Historian's > > >Office, the [BYU] Library, and the Salt Lake Public Library. This > work may > > >well be one of the monuments of Mormon literature, and thus far it is > almost > > >totally unknown in that literature. If by saying this much and no > more, I > > >persuade others to search out the book and savor its quality, I shall > have > > >done well.' (Morgan, "Literature in the History of the Church . . ., > > >_Dialogue_ Autumn 1969, p.31. > > > > > >"Following the publication of this high praise by such an eminent > scholar, > > >requests for copies came from many libraries and bookstores. With > the > > >passing of time there was less reluctance in having this intimate > family > > >story published. And now this Preface is being written for a third > printing." > > >(pp. xii-xiii) > > > > > >My copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The copyright page indicates that it is > "First > > >Revised Edition 1973 / Limited to 1250 Copies." It is inscirbed by > Obert. > > > > > >Hope this helps. > > > > > >BrianRomriell > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ---------------------------------------------------------- - > LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - To > unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - > "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - > For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.ksb.com ken@dreamgarden.com - --------------FEA132D2E91A15C242F273AE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This title was printed as a volume in the University of Utah's Tanner Trust series.  All of the volumes in this series are     funded by a grant from the Tanner Foundation.

Ken Sanders

Steve Eccles wrote:

I wonder if the U of U reprint was because of a large donation by Tanner? I know Arrington wrote a book on DavidEccles for Utah State University that corresponded with a health donation from the Eccles Foundation.

--Steve

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From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of JoeGeisner
Sent:Friday, March 16, 200110:13 AM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother

It's great to be back on Bookshelf. Hugh and Keith had to pray and fast for a couple of weeks to decide if I should be allowed on the list. I am glad they decide I was worth a second chance.:-)

I have been learning great stuff already. MattWirthlin's question about "Problems With The BOM" and Keith's about "A Mormon Mother" have been quite educational for a book lover.

From what has been posted I have learned that the 1st edition, 1st printing was the private and for family and friends. Those who have a 1st, does it say anything about who was the moving force behind its publication? I also learned that ObertTanner and the UofU did the third printing, 1st revised edition. Who did the 2nd printing in 1969?

Joe

>I do not know whether Obert opposed the reprint in 1969, but by the time of 

>the revised edition of 1973, he clearly supported the project as evidenced by 

>his 19-page foreword to that edition--a rather personal account that provides 

>some important familial tidbits that are interesting and well worth reading. 

>His remarks do make it clear that some in the family did not share enthusiasm 

>about reprinting the book. I suppose he initially could have been one of 

>those, but that's not revealed in his writing. He does say that its painful 

>to admit, but that the evidence reveals that his mother's life was tragic. 

>He also talks about loaning his copy of the first edition to Eleanor

>Roosevelt and others to read and describes their reactions. A small excerpt 

>from his foreword explains some things about the genesis of the book and its 

>reprintings: 

> 

>"[AnnieClarkTanner] wrote this story when she was seventy-seven years old, 

>in 1941, the last year of her life. It was written, she explains in the last 

>chapter, 'from my memory and a few stray letters I have chanced to find.' 

> 

>"Members of her family treasured their copies. They considered her story so 

>personal, that few outside the family ever saw this autobiography. 

> 

>"Then in 1969, DaleMorgan, a great scholar of Mormon history, wrote the 

>following: 'Perhaps it is for the valiance of her spirit and the sensitive 

>reflection of a rare life, rather than for the distinction of the prose that 

>I vividly remember, after almost thirty years, AnnieClarkTanner's _A Mormon 

>Mother_. This book has been closely held within the Tanner family; the only 

>institutionally-oned copies I know of are those in the Church Historian's 

>Office, the [BYU] Library, and the Salt Lake Public Library. This work may 

>well be one of the monuments of Mormon literature, and thus far it is almost 

>totally unknown in that literature. If by saying this much and no more, I 

>persuade others to search out the book and savor its quality, I shall have 

>done well.' (Morgan, "Literature in the History of the Church . . ., 

>_Dialogue_ Autumn 1969, p.31. 

> 

>"Following the publication of this high praise by such an eminent scholar, 

>requests for copies came from many libraries and bookstores. With the 

>passing of time there was less reluctance in having this intimate family 

>story published. And now this Preface is being written for a third printing." 

>(pp. xii-xiii) 

> 

>My copy is a hardcover w/ dj. The copyright page indicates that it is "First 

>Revised Edition 1973 / Limited to 1250 Copies." It is inscirbed by Obert. 

> 

>Hope this helps. 

> 

>BrianRomriell

> 

> 
 

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  - --------------FEA132D2E91A15C242F273AE-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:37:07 -0800 From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A Mormon Mother Thanks to all for their replies on this book. I fear this is one I may never own. But it won't be for lack of looking. Thanks also to Rick, Joe, and others for the kind words about the new 'shelf. Hugh and I thought it was worth another try and thus far we're pleased. We've added John Bryan and Joan Nay to the list. It is not lost on me, however, that Hugh J. McKell has yet to post. If this persists, I may excommunicate him for inactivity. His daughter and grandson are visiting from England at the moment and it's the only time I've seen something other than leather attract so much of his attention. I guess that's a legitimate excuse. Keith - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 07:08:18 -0800 From: "Phil" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Book Review This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0AEB1.0B3F0DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In today's Los Angeles Times there is a book review of Jan Shipps new = book, "Sojourner in the Promised Land" reviewed by Ralph Frammolino, a = Times Staff writer. http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20010317/t000023362.html Phil - ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0AEB1.0B3F0DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In today's Los Angeles Times there is a book review of Jan Shipps = new book,=20 "Sojourner in the Promised Land" reviewed by Ralph Frammolino, a Times = Staff=20 writer.
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0AEB1.0B3F0DE0-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:06:12 -0700 From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! At 09:37 PM 3/16/2001 -0800, you wrote: > >It is not lost on me, however, that Hugh J. McKell has yet to post. If >this persists, I may excommunicate him for inactivity. His daughter and >grandson are visiting from England at the moment and it's the only time >I've seen something other than leather attract so much of his attention. I >guess that's a legitimate excuse. Hello everyone! I have to apologize for my tardiness in posting to the New Lds-Bookshelf. So far I have tried to read most of the posts and I am happy to hear that so many of you have missed bookshelf and have said so many nice things about the list. Thanks again. We hope to continue the list on this smaller basis. I'll have to admit that I led Keith astray regarding the Tanner book. That's what you get when you don't do your home work especially when there are some really good reference books out there. The booklet by Richard Saunders would have saved me some embarrassment. Craig Smith dropped by the store yesterday and humbly again mentioned that he was in possession of this small morsel. I offered him a copy of one of Paul Dunn's books in trade but he declined . I am embarrassed to say I haven't picked up much in the way of collectable mormoniana - only a bunch of new titles: the ERS book from USU among others. Oh, one small morsel the Curt found for me - a copy of Shindler's OPR book, 2nd Edition in leather, one of only 7 produced he says! I only had to give him a ratty 1868 leather bound hymnal and by grandson Jack in trade. It was worth it. btw: here's whats been keeping me away from bookshelf: http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.1.JPG http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.3.JPG I'll try to contribute more often. best wishes to all Proud 'Pa Pa' Hugh - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:25:37 -0700 From: David Kenison Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! At 09:06 PM 3/17/2001 -0700, you wrote: >btw: here's whats been keeping me away from bookshelf: > >http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.1.JPG >http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.3.JPG That's a pretty ugly dog - why should that keep you away?? :-) David - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:58:31 -0700 From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! I have to admit, I kid that cute would be able to keep me away from collecting for a while. However, while Hugh's been able to avoid collecting himself, he's managed to help my collection with a couple of items I've wanted for sometime. I appreciate it and all the help he and the crew at Benchmark are always giving me. That goes for all the dealers on the list. Whether they remember or not, I've purchased from most of them and the service and product are always top notch. Thanks to all, John "Hugh J. McKell" wrote: > Hello everyone! I have to apologize for my tardiness in posting to the New > Lds-Bookshelf. So far I have tried to read most of the posts and I am > happy to hear that so many of you have missed bookshelf and have said so > many nice things about the list. Thanks again. We hope to continue the list > on this smaller basis. I'll have to admit that I led Keith astray regarding > the Tanner book. That's what you get when you don't do your home work > especially when there are some really good reference books out there. The > booklet by Richard Saunders would have saved me some embarrassment. Craig > Smith dropped by the store yesterday and humbly again mentioned that he was > in possession of this small morsel. I offered him a copy of one of Paul > Dunn's books in trade but he declined . I am embarrassed to say I > haven't picked up much in the way of collectable mormoniana - only a bunch > of new titles: the ERS book from USU among others. Oh, one small morsel > the Curt found for me - a copy of Shindler's OPR book, 2nd Edition in > leather, one of only 7 produced he says! I only had to give him a ratty > 1868 leather bound hymnal and by grandson Jack in trade. It was worth it. > > btw: here's whats been keeping me away from bookshelf: > > http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.1.JPG > http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.3.JPG > > I'll try to contribute more often. > > best wishes to all > > Proud 'Pa Pa' > Hugh > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:57:59 -0800 From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! What a good looking boy. Susan and I are convinced he got his genes from Sandi, he has way to much hair, and way to good looking to be any kin of yours!:-) When we talk about books, people seem to be willing to toss about "rare" pretty easy. This leather OPR is really something. Only seven of them produced! That is mind boggling Hugh. In the open market what would a book like this retail for? (This is more rhetoric than a sincere question, because I don't think an accurate answer can be realized until a sale is made.) This book is a Mormon masterpiece of biography, it is leather, and only seven produced. I have nothing in my collection even compareable, this is beyond my first hand knowledge. What a book to add to your collection Hugh, congratulations. I would be interested to hear what John has waited so long to get. I too have picked up a couple of books that I have been looking for for quite a while. I bought "Saints of the Seas" from Matt Wirthlin. It was a vg+/vg+ copy. I have missed two other copies for sale, so I was quite happy to get this copy. I also bought "Life Of A Pioneer" by James S. Brown. This is one of those books I thought I would never own. Keith and Hugh told me how signifigant the book is when we first talked on LDS-Bookshelf. At the time I was able to find a copy but could not afford it. I told Keith about it and he was able to purchase the book. So finding a copy at this point of my life when I could afford it was quite a thrill. Joe >. I am embarrassed to say I >haven't picked up much in the way of collectable mormoniana - only a bunch >of new titles: the ERS book from USU among others. Oh, one small morsel >the Curt found for me - a copy of Shindler's OPR book, 2nd Edition in >leather, one of only 7 produced he says! I only had to give him a ratty >1868 leather bound hymnal and by grandson Jack in trade. It was worth it. > > >btw: here's whats been keeping me away from bookshelf: > >http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.1.JPG >http://www.xmission.com/~hjmckell/Jack1.3.JPG > > >I'll try to contribute more often. > >best wishes to all > >Proud 'Pa Pa' >Hugh > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:28:53 -0700 From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! - --------------1CB9E770327AFC370E631699 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe wrote: I would be interested to hear what John has waited so long to get. Thanks to Hugh I was able to pick up a complete set of _Journal of Mormon History_ Well, almost a complete set :) It's a long story that involves another bookshelfer taking two issues from my set to complete his own. I was happy to let him do it because the price was too good to pass up. I also got a copy of _A Guide to Mormon Diaries and Autobiographies_ by Bitton. Another one I've been hunting for long and hard. Nothing compared to a leather copy of OPR - one of my favorite books. A landmark biography - I'll add my congratulations to Hugh. Can you tell us more about it? How's the binding, and what color and design is the leather? Any gilting or stamping? John - --------------1CB9E770327AFC370E631699 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe wrote:
I would be interested to hear what John has waited so long to get.

Thanks to Hugh I was able to pick up a complete set of _Journal of Mormon History_  Well, almost a complete set :)  It's a long story that involves another bookshelfer taking two issues from my set to complete his own.  I was happy to let him do it because the price was too good to pass up.

I also got a copy of _A Guide to Mormon Diaries and Autobiographies_ by Bitton.  Another one I've been hunting for long and hard.  Nothing compared to a leather copy of OPR - one of my favorite books.  A landmark biography - I'll add my congratulations to Hugh.  Can you tell us more about it?  How's the binding, and what color and design is the leather?  Any gilting or stamping?

John - --------------1CB9E770327AFC370E631699-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:49:47 -0700 From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! >>> jphatch@freeport.com 03/18/01 01:28PM >>> > >I also got a copy of _A Guide to Mormon Diaries and Autobiographies_ by = Bitton. Speaking of Bitton speaking, he was at BYU yesterday--a conference = sponsored by the Smith Institute of Church History, the MHA, and AML = (Association for Mormon Letters) on writing Mormon biography and autobiogra= phy. I got him to sign 3 of his books: Saints Without Halos, Mormons and = Their Historians, and The Ritualization of Mormon History (I have several = other books he's written, but they're signed already). Richard Bushman was one of the speakers at the opening session--he gave a = quick survey of the biographies of Joseph Smith, starting with Henry = Caswall's The Prophet of the Nineteenth Century, 1843 (Flake #1237). He = also mentioned I. Woodbridge Riley's The Founder of Mormonism; a psychologi= cal study of Joseph Smith (Flake #7288), which I had heard of before, but = never identified as psychobiography. Edward L. Kimball and Carol Cornwall Madsen spoke over lunch; Kimball = about an updated bio of his father that he's working on, and Madsen about = Emmeline B. Wells. Both dealt with how to handle the balance between the = private and public lives of public figures.=20 Kimball talked about things that would have been embarrassing to Pres. = Kimball when he was alive, which he believes are okay to discuss now. For = example, Pres. Kimball always avoided discussing his education, not = because he felt inadequate for not having gone to college, but because he = thought people would judge the church negatively for being led by such an = "ignoramus." Pres. Kimball also didn't want much discussion of his oldest = son's inactivity in the first biography, but Ed thinks it should be dealt = with now, because it was such a concern to Pres. Kimball. Pres. Kimball = didn't want to include any discussion of the excommunication of Richard R. = Lyman in the original biography, because of the pain it would cause living = family members. Ed convinced him to leave it in, because it was a matter = of public record and such an important event in the first weeks after = Pres. Kimball was called as an apostle. Ed said he received letters from = Lyman's descendants saying they wished the incident could have been left = out of the biography. He regrets that discussing the incident was painful = to them, but still feels justified in doing so. Madsen talked about comparing speeches Emmeline B. Wells gave defending = the practice of polygamy with her private journal entries complaining = about it. Steven Harper from BYU Hawaii defended his work on William McLellin and = criticized Van Wagoner's biography of Sidney Rigdon. Susan Howe spoke on "The Case of Virginia Sorensen: When Your Saint is = Also a Sinner." Sorensen's husband resented her success as an author. They = separated when he had an affair. Sorensen said that maybe if she had done = as she had been told in church--forget about a career and focus on her = marriage--maybe her marriage would have survived. At the same time, she = knew that her husband was responsible for his own choices, and resented = that she was expected to give up her career so that her husband could feel = superior. It was a good conference--it looks like there are some good biographies in = the works, and it made me want to write one. I only regret that I missed = Jessie Embry's talk on "Can I be Objective?: Using Family Sources in = Historical Writing." I've got several books for her to sign. MBA - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:58:56 -0800 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! I'm glad to hear that Davis Bitton was out. He was due to talk to the Miller-Eccles group this year and had to beg off due to health reasons. He may be in for some surgery in the next year and is curtailing his traveling due to fatigue. Apparently he has a heart valve problem resulting in the fatigue. I'm very envious of the books you are all discussing. My pockets are way too shallow for this type of collecting. Oh, well ... maybe someone will adopt me with a lot of money or better yet, leave their priceless collection to me. - --Steve - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Morgan Adair Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 5:50 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] I Really Am Alive! >>> jphatch@freeport.com 03/18/01 01:28PM >>> > >I also got a copy of _A Guide to Mormon Diaries and Autobiographies_ by Bitton. Speaking of Bitton speaking, he was at BYU yesterday--a conference sponsored by the Smith Institute of Church History, the MHA, and AML (Association for Mormon Letters) on writing Mormon biography and autobiography. I got him to sign 3 of his books: Saints Without Halos, Mormons and Their Historians, and The Ritualization of Mormon History (I have several other books he's written, but they're signed already). Richard Bushman was one of the speakers at the opening session--he gave a quick survey of the biographies of Joseph Smith, starting with Henry Caswall's The Prophet of the Nineteenth Century, 1843 (Flake #1237). He also mentioned I. Woodbridge Riley's The Founder of Mormonism; a psychological study of Joseph Smith (Flake #7288), which I had heard of before, but never identified as psychobiography. Edward L. Kimball and Carol Cornwall Madsen spoke over lunch; Kimball about an updated bio of his father that he's working on, and Madsen about Emmeline B. Wells. Both dealt with how to handle the balance between the private and public lives of public figures. Kimball talked about things that would have been embarrassing to Pres. Kimball when he was alive, which he believes are okay to discuss now. For example, Pres. Kimball always avoided discussing his education, not because he felt inadequate for not having gone to college, but because he thought people would judge the church negatively for being led by such an "ignoramus." Pres. Kimball also didn't want much discussion of his oldest son's inactivity in the first biography, but Ed thinks it should be dealt with now, because it was such a concern to Pres. Kimball. Pres. Kimball didn't want to include any discussion of the excommunication of Richard R. Lyman in the original biography, because of the pain it would cause living family members. Ed convinced him to leave it in, because it was a matter of public record and such an important event in the first weeks after Pres. Kimball was called as an apostle. Ed said he received letters from Lyman's descendants saying they wished the incident could have been left out of the biography. He regrets that discussing the incident was painful to them, but still feels justified in doing so. Madsen talked about comparing speeches Emmeline B. Wells gave defending the practice of polygamy with her private journal entries complaining about it. Steven Harper from BYU Hawaii defended his work on William McLellin and criticized Van Wagoner's biography of Sidney Rigdon. Susan Howe spoke on "The Case of Virginia Sorensen: When Your Saint is Also a Sinner." Sorensen's husband resented her success as an author. They separated when he had an affair. Sorensen said that maybe if she had done as she had been told in church--forget about a career and focus on her marriage--maybe her marriage would have survived. At the same time, she knew that her husband was responsible for his own choices, and resented that she was expected to give up her career so that her husband could feel superior. It was a good conference--it looks like there are some good biographies in the works, and it made me want to write one. I only regret that I missed Jessie Embry's talk on "Can I be Objective?: Using Family Sources in Historical Writing." I've got several books for her to sign. MBA - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ End of lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #914 ***********************************