From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #916 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Friday, March 23 2001 Volume 01 : Number 916 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:26:35 -0800 From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Matt what a really good post. (How do you like my kissing up? Now go find me some good books:-)) I have heard of pretty much the same list except I had not heard anything about the John Taylor and John Widtsoe bios. Devery told me a while ago that he was still working on Willard Richard's but the Dialogue history was keeping him pretty busy. I also think I told him that I wish he would edit the Willard Richard's journals. He was flattered, but I think over whelmed. Ron Walker told us at the MESG that he still wanted to finish the HJG bio but could not with the present policy of the CHD. So at this point it is dead. John knows more about Scott's JFS bio., but Scott did tell me he was actively writing 3 or 4 years ago. This is a bio I look forward to. I like Scott's writing style. Scott did tell me that he felt JFS was a bit of a boring person to write about. He thought it strange when I told him that Mike Quinn had told me JFS was the second most complicated person to write about in Mormonism after JS. Scott Faulring wrote me an email last summer saying that he was working on the Martin Harris papers and David Whitmer papers and hoped to publish these after the Oliver papers came out. He wrote that he is also working on the publication of the Original Manuscripts of the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible. I am particularly looking forward to Martin Harris papers. I think he is as fascinating of a person you can find. Hugh, your next project......write a volume about the early Mormon Printers "Grandin, Ebenezer Robinson and WW Phelps". Joe >Morgan's and Joe's comments about upcoming biographies brings up a related >question: What Mormon related biographies/autobiographies are in the >works, forthcoming or ought to be in the works? > >I am aware of the following: > >1. Ed Kimball's administrative bio on President Kimball (as mentioned) >2. Greg Prince is supposedly working on an administrative biography of >David O. McKay. >3. Bushman on Joseph Smith (as previously mentioned) >4. Carol Madsen on Emmeline B. Wells (as previously mentioned) >5. Jill Mulvay Derr apparently took over Maureen Ursenbach Beecher's work >on Eliza R. Snow. >6. Isn't Devery Anderson working on a Willard Richards bio? >7. Is Ron Walker still working on a Heber J. Grant bio or was that >scrapped? >8. Paul Thomas Smith is supposedly working on a John Taylor bio. >9. Is Scott Kenney still working, if ever, on a Joseph F. Smith bio? >10. Mike Quinn's revised and significantly expanded bio on J. Reuben Clark >is forthcoming from Signature later this Summer. I can't wait! >11. Bruce Van Orden is working on a W.W. Phelps bio. >12. A BYU religion professor is working on a John Widstoe bio, but I can't >remember his name. > >Does anyone have updated information on the above list? > >I think the following bios need to be written: > >1. We need a good bio on Hyrum Smith. >2. We need a good bio on Oliver Cowdery. I hope Faulring's "The Papers of >Oliver Cowdery" will be out soon. That should facilitate a good Oliver >Cowdery bio. >3. Bruce R. McConkie, not just highlights. >4. James E. Talmage (I am aware of John Talmage's bio of his father, but I >would love to see one much more substantive and comprehensive) >5. Parley P. Pratt (I am aware of his autobiography, but we need a good >scholarly biography) >6. Lorenzo Snow > > >There are many more that can be added to this list, especially women and >lesser known Saints. Who would you like to see a biography of? > >Thanks. > >Matt > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:34:32 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Return In a message dated 03/20/2001 11:20:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes: << And here we have it from Rickbook himself, only slightly out of context, that underlining in books is OK as long as one uses a ruler. >> Well, I see that in the moving process, I have misplaced my NOTES TO THE NEOPHYTE, by David Magee, where he teaches the fledgling cataloger always to characterize notes scribbled in books as "scholarly." Wish I could have given you the whole quote, but we have all seen - and used - the euphemisms. heh, heh! RG - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:03:10 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies In a message dated 03/20/2001 7:15:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, hstocks@vii.com writes: << But maybe Rick has access to old newspaper sources there in the B[urnt-] O[ver] D[istrict] which might cast light on the question... >> Nothing much, here. I have run onto a few minor details of his life, but nothing about his subsequent feelings about having printed the Book of Mormon. When I found an early 1830s sheriff's bond signed by him (at a philatelic show about 1985), Mark Hoffman wanted to buy it from me in the worst way. If I recall correctly, my authentic Grandin signature did not look quite like the one Mark had previously forged on the bogus manuscript agreement to print the Book of Mormon. Rick Grunder - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:26:48 -0500 From: Marshall Hamilton Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies RickBook@aol.com wrote: > When I found an early 1830s sheriff's bond signed by him (at a > philatelic show about 1985), Mark Hoffman wanted to buy it from me in the > worst way. I have nothing but the greatest respect for Rickbook, but I'd have to argue that Mark's enthusiasm for buying that sheriff's bond fell quite a bit short of the worst techniques in Hofmann's arsenal. (I was going to add a grin, but somehow it just doesn't seem appropriate in discussing Hofmann's methods.) Besides the smart-alecky comments, Rick, I'm curious...did this experience make you question Hofmann's reliability at the time? - -- Marshall Hamilton marshall@fred.net Frederick, Maryland - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:30:20 -0800 From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Return Rick, You are the man! I mean that most sincerely. When I read you or Peter Crawley I get goose bumps. I hope you don't allow all this wonderful information to not be published in book form. You also have to write a book about your life as a book seller. This stuff about Mark Hofmann and your other incredible experiences are golden. Joe >Aftern my post regarding Ebenezer Robinson's periodical, THE RETURN, I >realized that I had a lengthy write-up in my Mormon List 50 (May 1995). >This >may be of help to those who are curious . . . > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:04:00 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Return In a message dated 03/21/2001 12:30:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, rbssman@hotmail.com writes: << Rick, You are the man! I mean that most sincerely. When I read you or Peter Crawley I get goose bumps. I hope you don't allow all this wonderful information to not be published in book form. You also have to write a book about your life as a book seller. This stuff about Mark Hofmann and your other incredible experiences are golden. Joe >> Thanks for the kind words, Joe, but I am about a two on a scale reaching up to ten. I was just chatting with a customer, and we were reminiscing about the grand old bookdealers. They are dying off rapidly, and there won't be any more of them. The internet has changed the means of buying and selling, and the mentality to understand and appreciate the books themselves, in the old ways, is quickly fading into oblivion. RG - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:06:48 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies In a message dated 03/21/2001 12:28:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, marshall@fred.net writes: << I have nothing but the greatest respect for Rickbook, but I'd have to argue that Mark's enthusiasm for buying that sheriff's bond fell quite a bit short of the worst techniques in Hofmann's arsenal. (I was going to add a grin, but somehow it just doesn't seem appropriate in discussing Hofmann's methods.) Besides the smart-alecky comments, Rick, I'm curious...did this experience make you question Hofmann's reliability at the time? >> I guess I'm dense today, Marshall - but I didn't quite understand what you meant in either the first or third paragraphs above? RG - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:18:23 -0500 From: Marshall Hamilton Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] My lame explanations Rick, I'm sorry that my message was so impenetrable before. You said Hofmann wanted the Grandin signature "in the worst way." My comment simply meant that Mark's worst turned out to be a couple of orders of magnitude worse than anybody else's worst...and that, thankfully, he didn't resort to dealing with you in the same, worst, way that he employed later. Also, I was just wondering whether you became suspicious of Mark, when he was so anxious to get your genuine Grandin signature--before the truth about his forgeries became public. And I second Joe's suggestion that you put your bookselling experiences on paper so they won't be lost to the ages. - -- Marshall Hamilton marshall@fred.net Frederick, Maryland - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:23:36 GMT From: John Hatch Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] My lame explanations > And I second Joe's suggestion > that you put your bookselling experiences on paper so they won't be lost > to the ages. Here, here! I'd love to see a book with your experiences. John" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:06:02 -0700 From: "Curt Bench" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies ROY SCHMIDT wrote: > > > >>> "Matthew T. Wirthlin" 03/20/01 11:11AM >>> > Morgan's and Joe's comments about upcoming biographies brings up a > related question: What Mormon related biographies/autobiographies are > in the works, forthcoming or ought to be in the works? > > I am aware of the following: > > 1. Ed Kimball's administrative bio on President Kimball (as > mentioned) > 2. Greg Prince is supposedly working on an administrative biography > of David O. McKay. > 3. Bushman on Joseph Smith (as previously mentioned) > 4. Carol Madsen on Emmeline B. Wells (as previously mentioned) > 5. Jill Mulvay Derr apparently took over Maureen Ursenbach Beecher's > work on Eliza R. Snow. > 6. Isn't Devery Anderson working on a Willard Richards bio? > 7. Is Ron Walker still working on a Heber J. Grant bio or was that > scrapped? > 8. Paul Thomas Smith is supposedly working on a John Taylor bio. > 9. Is Scott Kenney still working, if ever, on a Joseph F. Smith > bio? > 10. Mike Quinn's revised and significantly expanded bio on J. Reuben > Clark is forthcoming from Signature later this Summer. I can't wait! > 11. Bruce Van Orden is working on a W.W. Phelps bio. > 12. A BYU religion professor is working on a John Widstoe bio, but I > can't remember his name. > > Does anyone have updated information on the above list? > > I think the following bios need to be written: > > 1. We need a good bio on Hyrum Smith. > 2. We need a good bio on Oliver Cowdery. I hope Faulring's "The > Papers of Oliver Cowdery" will be out soon. That should facilitate a > good Oliver Cowdery bio. > 3. Bruce R. McConkie, not just highlights. > 4. James E. Talmage (I am aware of John Talmage's bio of his father, > but I would love to see one much more substantive and comprehensive) > 5. Parley P. Pratt (I am aware of his autobiography, but we need a > good scholarly biography) > 6. Lorenzo Snow > > There are many more that can be added to this list, especially women > and lesser known Saints. Who would you like to see a biography of? > > Thanks. > > Matt > > I don't know if anyone mentioned the forthcoming biography of Joseph Smith by Dan Vogel (not sure when, but will be published by Signature). His approach, as I understand it, will be to provide purely naturalistic explanations for the supernatural events, experiences, etc. in Joseph's life. It is sure to be controversial and will undoubtedly make many uncomfortable but ought to be quite intriguing. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:24:15 -0500 From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormon biographies Bushman mentioned Vogel's approach in his paper at the bio conference - but I don't remember him saying anything about a JS bio by Vogel. - --Doug > -----Original Message----- > > I don't know if anyone mentioned the forthcoming biography of Joseph Smith > by Dan Vogel (not sure when, but will be published by Signature). His > approach, as I understand it, will be to provide purely naturalistic > explanations for the supernatural events, experiences, etc. in Joseph's > life. It is sure to be controversial and will undoubtedly make many > uncomfortable but ought to be quite intriguing. > > - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:32:15 -0800 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0B2D4.83A7D880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Phil Bradford ran across a very interesting program at a college in = Maine. People go to the school during the summer for a week to read and = discuss books. The program ran about $500 per person and included room = and board including a Lobster bake. I believe that they send the books = in the price as well. The books were all American literature titles. =20 My question: Is there any interest in doing this for Bookshelf? We could = put something together here in So. Calif. And maybe get Michael Dawson = or someone from Heritage to talk about book collecting, and we could = probably get someone from the Huntington book conservation dept. to talk = to us as well. Better yet, get Curt and Rick to talk of book collecting = in the Mormon market. =20 For fun, one day we could divide up into teams and go on a book = scavenger hunt for the best & cheapest offerings . nah - we'd just get = to fighting over who gets to keep the treasures found. =20 If there is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late summer. = This could even be done under the auspice of MHA or in conjunction with = a MHA meeting or Sunstone=20 Symposium. =20 - --Steve - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0B2D4.83A7D880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Phil Bradford ran across a very interesting program at a college in Maine. People go to the school during the summer for a = week to read and discuss books. The program ran about $500 per person and = included room and board including a Lobster bake. I believe that they send the = books in the price as well. The books were all American literature = titles.

 

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My question: Is there any interest in doing this for Bookshelf? We could = put something together here in So. Calif. And maybe get = Michael Dawson or someone from = Heritage to talk about book collecting, and we could probably get someone from = the Huntington book conservation = dept. to talk to us as well. Better yet, get Curt<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> and = Rick<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> to talk of book = collecting in the Mormon market.

 

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- ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0B2D4.83A7D880-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:36:42 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat In a message dated 03/22/2001 4:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, seccles@gte.net writes: << If there is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late summer. >> You folks have fun! RickBook will still be digging himself out of snow banks next summer, if only figuratively. We have had more than 100 inches in excess of last year's season total (186.6 inches at last reading today, the all-time record being 192.1 in 1992-3), have had much more snow in March than in either January or February, and the white stuff is falling furiously even at this moment. It's pretty, but it really kills the pocketbook (heating, snow removal, business time lost sitting home snowed-in and grumbling). White & delightsome, R. Book - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:00:25 -0800 From: "Phil" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat Rick I am sure we'll be able to thaw you in Southern California during August! With rolling black outs scheduled, it definitely will heat up. Bring some of your cool weather with you. Phil > In a message dated 03/22/2001 4:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > seccles@gte.net writes: > > << If there is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late summer. >> > > > You folks have fun! RickBook will still be digging himself out of snow banks > next summer, if only figuratively. We have had more than 100 inches in > excess of last year's season total (186.6 inches at last reading today, the > all-time record being 192.1 in 1992-3), have had much more snow in March than > in either January or February, and the white stuff is falling furiously even > at this moment. It's pretty, but it really kills the pocketbook (heating, > snow removal, business time lost sitting home snowed-in and grumbling). > > White & delightsome, > > R. Book > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:07:40 GMT From: John Hatch Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Antique Show in S.L. Just wondering if anyone is planning on going to the antique show this weekend in Salt Lake. I know of one dealer who will be there with several remarkable items, including an 1830 Book of Mormon, a first edition Mormonism Unvailed by Howe, and several middle to lower end items. It's friday, saturday, and sunday at the Southtowne Expo Center. Should be good! John… - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:55:58 -0800 From: "Dennis Nelson" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat Ah, the joys of an early Texas spring, gulf coast climate, and energy self-sufficiency in the independent republic of Texas....snow...hmmm...I'm not at all familiar with the term. Please remind me I said this in September when it is still 95 degrees with the humidity at the same number. Dennis - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Phil Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 3:00 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat Rick I am sure we'll be able to thaw you in Southern California during August! With rolling black outs scheduled, it definitely will heat up. Bring some of your cool weather with you. Phil > In a message dated 03/22/2001 4:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > seccles@gte.net writes: > > << If there is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late summer. >> > > > You folks have fun! RickBook will still be digging himself out of snow banks > next summer, if only figuratively. We have had more than 100 inches in > excess of last year's season total (186.6 inches at last reading today, the > all-time record being 192.1 in 1992-3), have had much more snow in March than > in either January or February, and the white stuff is falling furiously even > at this moment. It's pretty, but it really kills the pocketbook (heating, > snow removal, business time lost sitting home snowed-in and grumbling). > > White & delightsome, > > R. Book > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:19:21 -0800 From: "David Skidmore" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0B326.866EA060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve, I have fantasied since reading A GENTLE MADNESS that BYU or someone = would teach a "Fine Arts 5e" course. Apparently, "shortly after the Widener Library at Harvard was opened in = 1915, G.W. Winship set out to become its rare book specialist. He set = aside an area he called the "treasure room" (Rick, is this part of your = inspiration?) I quote again, "Once settled in his new job, Winship = began teaching what curriculum catalogues of the period identify as Fine = Arts 5e, a sort of hands on course attended almost exclusively by the = sons of wealthy families." This was to cultivate future benefactors of = Harvard. This became one of the most exclusive clubs at Harvard. "Not only did the standards of admission made the course exclusive, but = the physical setting was likewise unique. The students met in the = elegant new Widener Room, home to Harry's rare-book collection, where = "easy chairs and an open fire" provided "all the sybaritic comforts of a = palace" and "the environment of a connoisseur." Winship would sit at = the head of a long table, intermittently handling around illuminated manuscripts and incunabula = for our inspection. Technical instruction was at a minimum: aesthetic = appreciation and cultural background at a maximum. It was the book as a = creation, as a work of art, as an important factor in its time and = place, that he stressed, rather than the devitalizing details of = pagination and collation. And he stressed these thins well; so well, in = truth, that most of us were carried away with enthusiasm." pp. 191-192. So when Fine Arts 5e starts up sign me up! I want to see and touch and = hold all early Mormon printing and be instructed as to its creation and = its significance in the history of the modern church and individuals = lives. I suspect that Mr. Gunder is the only person with enough = expertise and contacts to schedule this annual week long event in the = bowels of the Harold B. Lee Library. (Who knows - perhaps it already = exists) But like a second annointing - if you have to ask - it ain't = going to happen. I patiently learn and await the call. =20 In the mean time Steve Eccles, count me in. David Skidmore =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Eccles=20 To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer Retreat Phil Bradford ran across a very interesting program at a college in = Maine. People go to the school during the summer for a week to read and = discuss books. The program ran about $500 per person and included room = and board including a Lobster bake. I believe that they send the books = in the price as well. The books were all American literature titles. =20 My question: Is there any interest in doing this for Bookshelf? We = could put something together here in So. Calif. And maybe get Michael = Dawson or someone from Heritage to talk about book collecting, and we = could probably get someone from the Huntington book conservation dept. = to talk to us as well. Better yet, get Curt and Rick to talk of book = collecting in the Mormon market. =20 For fun, one day we could divide up into teams and go on a book = scavenger hunt for the best & cheapest offerings . nah - we'd just get = to fighting over who gets to keep the treasures found. =20 If there is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late summer. = This could even be done under the auspice of MHA or in conjunction with = a MHA meeting or Sunstone=20 Symposium. =20 --Steve - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0B326.866EA060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steve,
I have fantasied since reading A GENTLE = MADNESS=20 that BYU or someone would teach a "Fine Arts 5e" course.
 
Apparently, "shortly after the Widener = Library at=20 Harvard was opened in 1915, G.W. Winship set out to become its rare book = specialist.  He set aside an area he called the "treasure room" = (Rick, is=20 this part of your inspiration?)   I quote again, "Once settled = in his=20 new job, Winship began teaching what curriculum catalogues of the period = identify as Fine Arts 5e, a sort of hands on course attended almost = exclusively=20 by the sons of wealthy families."  This was to cultivate future = benefactors=20 of Harvard.  This became one of the most exclusive clubs at=20 Harvard.
 
"Not only did the standards of = admission made the=20 course exclusive, but the physical setting was likewise unique.  = The=20 students met in the elegant new Widener Room, home to Harry's rare-book=20 collection, where "easy chairs and an open fire" provided "all the = sybaritic=20 comforts of a palace" and "the environment of a connoisseur."  = Winship=20 would sit at the head of a long table,
intermittently handling around = illuminated=20 manuscripts and incunabula for our inspection.  Technical = instruction was=20 at a minimum: aesthetic appreciation and cultural background at a = maximum. =20 It was the book as a creation, as a work of art, as an important factor = in its=20 time and place, that he stressed, rather than the devitalizing details = of=20 pagination and collation.  And he stressed these thins well; so = well, in=20 truth, that most of us were carried away with enthusiasm."  pp.=20 191-192.
 
So when Fine Arts 5e starts up sign me = up!  I=20 want to see and touch and hold all early Mormon printing and be = instructed as to=20 its creation and its significance in the history of the modern church = and=20 individuals lives.  I suspect that Mr. Gunder is the only person = with=20 enough expertise and contacts to schedule this annual week long event in = the=20 bowels of the Harold B. Lee Library.  (Who knows - perhaps it = already=20 exists)  But like a second annointing - if you have to ask - it = ain't going=20 to happen.  I patiently learn and await the call.  =
In the mean time Steve Eccles, count me = in.
David Skidmore
   
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve = Eccles
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmis= sion.com=20
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 = 1:32=20 PM
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Summer = Retreat

Phil Bradford ran across a very = interesting=20 program at a college in Maine. People go to the school during the = summer for a=20 week to read and discuss books. The program ran about $500 per person = and=20 included room and board including a Lobster bake. I believe that they = send the=20 books in the price as well. The books were all American literature=20 titles.

 

My=20 question: Is there any interest in doing this for Bookshelf? We could = put=20 something together here in So. Calif. And maybe get=20 Michael Dawson or someone from = Heritage to talk=20 about book collecting, and we could probably get someone from the=20 Huntington book conservation dept. = to talk=20 to us as well. Better yet, get Curt and = Rick to talk of book = collecting in the=20 Mormon market.

 

For fun,=20 one day we could divide up into teams and go on a book scavenger hunt = for the=20 best & cheapest offerings … nah – we’d just get = to fighting over who gets=20 to keep the treasures found.

 

If there=20 is any interest, let me know. I was thinking of late summer. This = could even=20 be done under the auspice of MHA or in conjunction with a MHA meeting = or=20 Sunstone

Symposium.

 

--Steve

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