From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #922 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Monday, April 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 922 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:36:27 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Writings of JS This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0CE55.E590FBC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had an interesting talk today with Grant Underwood at the JFS = Institute at BYU. =20 He is editing one of the vols. of the Writings of JS, and said that the = long awaited Vol. 3 has been cleared by Church Correllation & is now = finally ready to go to print. =20 He said the obstacles that needed to be overcome were remedied a long = time ago, but the wheels move slowly at that level and this wasn't a = priority. =20 Of greater interest is that they have a board of editors now, with Dean = Jesse in charge. They plan a total of 6 vols. (1&2 are already out). = They expect some interesting things to come out from this series. =20 He did say that the obstacle was not the incident of Joseph slapping = Emma as I've heard passed around. =20 Grant is chairing a panel discussion at the Organization of American = Historians annual meeting this weekend . Jan Shipps is one on the panel, = with Ron Walker & Martha Sontag-Bradley (is that right?). Jan is = speaking at the Miller-Eccles Study Group on Sat., and I have a few = extra copies of her new book. If anyone wants one & I have surplus at = the end of the meeting, I can get you an autographed copy at a fair = price. =20 - --Steve - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0CE55.E590FBC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I had an interesting talk today with = Grant= Underwood at the JFS Institute = at BYU.

=

He is editing one of the vols. of the Writings of JS, and said = that the long awaited Vol. 3 has been cleared by Church Correllation & is = now finally ready to go to print.

=

He said the obstacles that needed to be overcome were remedied a long time = ago, but the wheels move slowly at that level and this wasn’t a = priority.

=

Of greater interest is that they have a board of editors now, with = Dean<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> = Jesse in charge. They = plan a total of 6 vols. (1&2 are already out). They expect some = interesting things to come out from this series.

=

He did say that the obstacle was not the incident of = Joseph slapping = Emma<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> as I’ve = heard passed around.

=

Grant is chairing a = panel discussion at the Organization of American Historians annual = meeting this weekend … = Jan = Shipps is one on the = panel, with Ron = Walker & = Martha = Sontag-Bradley (is = that right?). Jan is = speaking at the Miller-Eccles Study Group on Sat., and = I have a few extra copies of her new book. If anyone wants = one & I have surplus at the end of the meeting, I = can get you an autographed copy at a fair = price.

--Steve=

- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0CE55.E590FBC0-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:35:37 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE[LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0CFE8.1CA96640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable E-Bay has some interesting investors forums, and there is a very = interesting discussion on e-bays bidding system and how it permits = fraud. =20 I know we've hashed this over, but this is really interesting stuff, to = me. =20 - --Steve - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0CFE8.1CA96640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

E-Bay has some interesting investors forums, and = there is a very interesting discussion on e-bays bidding system and how it permits = fraud.

=

I know we’ve hashed this over, but this is really interesting stuff, = to me.

=

--Steve

- ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0CFE8.1CA96640-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 17:59:41 -0700 From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: RE[LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED I didn't know there were forums on ebay. Where? Word on the street is that a midwestern Mormon book dealer has been booted off Ebay for the second time. One has to wonder why he was allowed back on. Confetti was booted for bidding up his own listings. He's back on as well. Speaking of sculduggery, I understand that a number of books are showing up on the Mormon market with facsimile pages throughout but not identified as such. Keith At 01:35 PM 4/28/01 -0700, you wrote: >E-Bay has some interesting investors forums, and there is a very >interesting discussion on e-bays bidding system and how it permits fraud. > > > >I know we ve hashed this over, but this is really interesting stuff, to me. > > > >--Steve - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:02:17 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: RE[LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED The forum is on www.motleyfool.com under the Discussion or Forum tab. It = is an investing forum, but I think 50% or more of the messages deal with = the fraud that is taking place. I think if the music producers can sue the ISP's for allowing downloads = of MP3 files that victims of the misrepresentation or out and out = deception on e-bay could sue E-bay.=20 Now, tomorrow I'll tell you about a book I just got through e-bay (or = will when I pay for it). - --Steve - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Keith Irwin Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 6:00 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: RE[LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED I didn't know there were forums on ebay.=A0 Where? Word on the street is that a midwestern Mormon book dealer has been = booted off Ebay for the second time.=A0 One has to wonder why he was allowed = back on.=A0 Confetti was booted for bidding up his own listings.=A0 He's back = on as well. Speaking of sculduggery, I understand that a number of books are showing = up on the Mormon market with facsimile pages throughout but not identified = as such. Keith At 01:35 PM 4/28/01 -0700, you wrote: >E-Bay has some interesting investors forums, and there is a very >interesting discussion on e-bays bidding system and how it permits = fraud. > > > >I know we ve hashed this over, but this is really interesting stuff, to = me. > > > >--Steve - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - -=A0=A0 "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message = body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com"=20 - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:10:07 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] E-BAY BOOK This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0D0AD.B6E5B180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought the following book through e-bay: =A0 AUTHOR: John Corson Smith=20 TITLE: HISTORY OF FREEMASONRY IN ILLINOIS=20 PUBLISHER: Rogers & Smith, 1905 printing, 165 page hardcover, = illustrated with photos=20 CONDITION: FAIR, no dust jacket=20 =A0 =A0 I don=92t have an overwhelming interest in Masonry, but I put the first = bid of $7.50 for it, and won it for $17.51. =A0 I checked on ABE, and here is the other copy I found: =A0 =A01.=A0 Smith, General John Corson History of Freemasonry in Illinois; 1804-1829 Chicago: Rogers & Smith, 1905 Hard Cover. Very Good/No Jacket. 8vo - = over 7=BE" - 9=BE" tall. blue cloth, gilt titles. light wear to = head/foot bands, edges, corners. bookplate inside cover. 165pp. = Bookseller Inventory # 5.049 Price: US$=A0110.00 convert currency Presented by Milliway's Books, Olympia, WA, U.S.A. order options =09 =09 =A0 =A0 Now I=92m anxious to get it to see what, if any, Mormon content it has. = I was so anxious for this book, I even paid extra for Priority Mail! =A0 - --Steve - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0D0AD.B6E5B180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I bought the following book through e-bay:

=

AUTHOR: John = Corson Smith

TITLE: HISTORY OF FREEMASONRY IN ILLINOIS =

PUBLISHER: Rogers & Smith, 1905 printing, 165 page hardcover, illustrated with photos

CONDITION: FAIR, no dust jacket

=

=

I don’t have an overwhelming interest in Masonry, but I put the first bid of = $7.50 for it, and won it for $17.51.

=

I checked on ABE, and here is the other copy I = found:

=

1.	Smith, General = John Corson Histor= y of Freemasonry in Illinois; 1804-1829 Chicago: Rogers & Smith, 1905 Hard Cover. = Very Good/No Jacket. 8vo - over 7=BE" - 9=BE" tall. blue cloth, gilt titles. light wear to head/foot bands, edges, corners. bookplate inside cover. 165pp. Bookseller Inventory # 5.049 Price: US$ 110.00 co= nvert currency Presented by Milliway's Books, = Olympia, WA, U.S.A. order options

=

=

Now I’m anxious to get it to see what, if any, Mormon content = it has. I was so anxious for this book, I = even paid extra for Priority Mail!

=

--Steve=

- ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0D0AD.B6E5B180-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:43:42 -0700 From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: RE[LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED

Keith & Steve,

Thanks for bring this up. I too have wondered the same thing. I realize from a religious point of view that we believe people can change and repent. Then from my humanist or business POV I believe that it is very difficult to teach a old dog new tricks.

With this said, I still basically trust people, but I have created a much longer list in my head of those who I will not do business with than I would have ever imagined.

Joe

>Word on the street is that a midwestern Mormon book dealer has been

>booted

>off Ebay for the second time. One has to wonder why he was allowed

>back

>on. Confetti was booted for bidding up his own listings. He's back

>on as

>well.

>

>Speaking of sculduggery, I understand that a number of books are

>showing up

>on the Mormon market with facsimile pages throughout but not

>identified as

>such.

>

>Keith

>

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- ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:51:21 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Interesting thoughts This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0D0B3.7917CC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was browsing some foreign book stores websites, and ran across this = site with a very interesting list of items about book collection. It's = worth reading. =20 http://www.simonfinch.com/ =20 =20 =20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0D0B3.7917CC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was browsing some foreign book stores websites, and ran across this site = with a very interesting list of items about book collection. It’s worth = reading.

=

http://www.simonfinch.com/

=

=

=

=

- ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0D0B3.7917CC20-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:26:20 EDT From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] In Jeopardy On Jeopardy this evening, they had a teen competition. Final Jeopardy Answer: "In 1859, this man told Horace Greeley, 'I have fifteen wives. I do not know anyone who has more." The girl with the lowest score guessed Henry VIII. She honestly did. The boy with the middle score guessed Abraham Lincoln. He honestly did. The girl with the highest score guessed some name I have never heard, and which is not in my biographical dictionary. She won, because she risked very little. So the Church can relax: the upcoming generation does NOT think Mormons are not Christian. They don't think about Mormons at all. I talked with a college student from Cornell recently. When the topic of Mormonism came up, he merely said he thought they were kinda weird. End of topic. Rick Grunder - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:52:11 -0600 From: Ken Sanders Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED/Mormon Fraud The old adage on bookselling (and buying) is know your bookdealer or know your book (s). Given the advent of the internet, and in particular, ebay, this missive bears repeating. It pays to either know what you're doing, or deal with someone that does. Reputable dealers stand behind the products they sell. Period. If something isn't right, whether discovered upon receipt, or five years later, the problem is rectified. Period. The internet has produced an environment in which there is no easier time to find a desired book more quickly than now. Simultaneously, although there is nothing new under the sun, it has also fostered an environment in which enables one to rip someone else off, whether buying or selling on the net, with a rapidity which has never before existed. It has provided global access to the grifters, conmen, bunko artists and others out there...the best of times and the worst of times. As i have told some of you in person, "ebay is a mighty confluence where ignorance meets greed". Both on the part of buyer and seller. Curiously, a real hot topic of fraud on ebay has been on Mormon items. As a bona fide non-Mormon (with impeccable Mormon pedigree; great grandpa translated the Book of Mormon into Maori, for example) I can't help but wonder why so many of the Mormon brethren are victims of fraud on ebay. Yes, I acknowledge the tendency of faithful LDS to trust to their own kind, but given the results evidenced on ebay (not to mention the penny stock frauds in Utah during the 1950's, and a number of other examples I could site) is this wise?? I'm not trying to bait anyone here, I honestly want to know. Why do Mormons prey on their own kind and fleece them so? Ken Sanders non-Mormon non-gentile descended from Heber C. Kimball's favorite polygamist wife , and one of the first three Mormon women in the valley of the great salt lake, Ellen Sanders Kimball; and her brother, Sondra Sanders, who translated the Book of Mormon into Maori. Steve Eccles wrote: > The forum is on www.motleyfool.com under the Discussion or Forum tab. It is an investing forum, but I think 50% or more of the messages deal with the fraud that is taking place. > > I think if the music producers can sue the ISP's for allowing downloads of MP3 files that victims of the misrepresentation or out and out deception on e-bay could sue E-bay. > > Now, tomorrow I'll tell you about a book I just got through e-bay (or will when I pay for it). > > --Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Keith Irwin > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 6:00 PM > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: RE[LDS-Bookshelf] EBAY REVISITED > > I didn't know there were forums on ebay. Where? > > Word on the street is that a midwestern Mormon book dealer has been booted > off Ebay for the second time. One has to wonder why he was allowed back > on. Confetti was booted for bidding up his own listings. He's back on as > well. > > Speaking of sculduggery, I understand that a number of books are showing up > on the Mormon market with facsimile pages throughout but not identified as > such. > > Keith > > At 01:35 PM 4/28/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >E-Bay has some interesting investors forums, and there is a very > >interesting discussion on e-bays bidding system and how it permits fraud. > > > > > > > >I know we ve hashed this over, but this is really interesting stuff, to me. > > > > > > > >--Steve > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.ksb.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ End of lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #922 ***********************************