From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #929 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Friday, August 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 929 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:57:44 -0600 From: "John Hatch" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A question re ebay Mark, My own thinking is that negative feedback is something that warrants serious, gross negligence. Most of the problems I've had can be corrected with a little bit of communication. If something isn't as described I contact the seller. In the case of Ebay, the terms "positive" and "neutral" have different meanings then they might elsewhere. Positive is overwhelmingly the average transaction. Even if someone is a bit slow to pay or takes a while to ship the item, I still usually leave positive feedback. I think this is based on the idea that in the end, I'm happy. Sure I might be a bit annoyed that it took them a few weeks or even a month or more to fulfill their end of the auction, but once they do, all is well. Neutral seems to me to mean a pretty lousy transaction. Something wasn't quite described right but I'm willing to keep it anyway. Someone who was just miserable to work with. I just had one of those. I got my money and they got their book, but they are convinced I was dishonest (I wasn't, and I've never had another complaint in the several hundred transactions I've done). It was extremely unpleasant. I haven't left feedback yet but if I do be assured it will be neutral. Negative feedback means you are completely unhappy with the transaction. You either never got paid or you never got your item. The latter of which is not only bad, it's theft. You usually pay first and then get the item, so if you pay and don't get what you paid for, that's probably the worst that could happen (I've never had or even heard of this happening). I've only left negative feedback once. Buyers and sellers don't use real names for reasons of privacy. Ebay recently made it so that you can't obtain someone's e-mail address either. You fill out a form and then Ebay forwards the message for you. Hope that helps! John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:35 PM Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] A question re ebay > Although I have never bought or sold anything on ebay, I occassionally > browse around there. One interesting part of it is that you can write > comments about the seller from the people that have bought from him or > her, or comments from people who have sold to a person. What strikes me > is that this comments are overwhelmingly positive. In fact, negative > comments are almost non-existent. Why is this? It could be that everyone > on the list is a very informed buyer or seller and is highly ethical. > However, I have heard many stories (and read many descriptions of poorly > described items) that lead me to believe this is not true. So what is the > reason for the rarity of negative comments and the abundance of positive > comments? > > One other question I have: Why do sellers and buyers not use their real > names? > > Mark Edlund > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:15:15 -0400 From: Cahoon_Doug@emc.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Kirtland Council Minute Book Thanks Brian - -----Original Message----- From: Brian Irwin [mailto:bfirwin@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:44 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Kirtland Council Minute Book Doug, The Kirtland Council Minute Book was published electronically on the New Mormon Studies CD-ROM. I got a copy of Lyndon Cook's typescript several years ago. I am pretty sure that his typescript is the source of both Collier's printed edition, and the electronic edition. He is also the source of the typescript of the Minutes of the High Council of the Church of Jesus Christ of Nauvoo Illinois, which is also on the New Mormon Studies CD. The originals of both of these documents are in the Church archives. Brian Irwin - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:13:59 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Good Luck Good luck at Sunstone, Keith. Hope you have a great session. I'm sorry I won't be there to participate. - --Steve - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:36:00 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Another Stake History I just got a copy of a book titled "Community of Faith: History of the La Crescenta California Stake." It was written by Laura F. Willes with Iris Lynn Kindred. It is a wonderfully published book, hard bound about the size of a typical Deseret book and 286 pages in length. Laura Willis is the wife of Mark Willis, past CEO of the Times Mirror Corp. and publisher of the L.A. Times. At the time, they resided in the La Crescenta Stake during his tenure. She also wrote a history of another stake she lived in - Minnesota Mormons: The History of the Minneapolis Minnesota Stake. She also has published articles in the Friend. I understand that Mark Willis may have paid for the printing and they are selling copies at $10 each. Proceeds at this point are going to refurbish a Relief Society Room in one of the Wards in their Stake. Mark left the Times with a golden handshake when it was sold to the Chicago Tribune. He went to BYU and was offered a position at their Business School. Currently, he is Mission President in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is the nephew of President Hinckley. I have a history of Pasadena Stake and the Cincinnati Ohio Stake as well. I wonder what other histories there are that are worth having. - --Steve - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:55:29 -0600 From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Another Stake History On 8 Aug 2001, at 13:36, Steve Eccles wrote: > I just got a copy of a book titled "Community of Faith: History of the > La Crescenta California Stake." It was written by Laura F. Willes with > Iris Lynn Kindred. > > It is a wonderfully published book, hard bound about the size of a > typical Deseret book and 286 pages in length. > > Laura Willis is the wife of Mark Willis, past CEO of the Times Mirror > Corp. and publisher of the L.A. Times. At the time, they resided in > the La Crescenta Stake during his tenure. She also wrote a history of > another stake she lived in - Minnesota Mormons: The History of the > Minneapolis Minnesota Stake. She also has published articles in the > Friend. > > I understand that Mark Willis may have paid for the printing and they > are selling copies at $10 each. Proceeds at this point are going to > refurbish a Relief Society Room in one of the Wards in their Stake. > > Mark left the Times with a golden handshake when it was sold to the > Chicago Tribune. He went to BYU and was offered a position at their > Business School. Currently, he is Mission President in Honolulu, > Hawaii. He is the nephew of President Hinckley. > > I have a history of Pasadena Stake and the Cincinnati Ohio Stake as > well. > > I wonder what other histories there are that are worth having. I'm not too sure of the "worth having" criterion, but I have one of the Salt Lake Stake, self published, but reasonably nice and the commercially published history of the Los Angeles Stake that came out 10-12 years ago. I'm sure Dean Eborn has a bibliography of published stake histories, if you want to ask. Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:33:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Carter Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Another Stake History - --- Steve Eccles wrote: > I just got a copy of a book titled "Community of > Faith: History of the La > Crescenta California Stake." It was written by Laura > F. Willes with Iris > Lynn Kindred. > > > I have a history of Pasadena Stake and the > Cincinnati Ohio Stake as well. > > I wonder what other histories there are that are > worth having. > > --Steve I like to get copies of "stake histories" for stakes near where I live or if I happen to find one at a good price. They usually include a brief history of early mormon settlers followed by a history of the stake. I have the following: (all except the last one are in California) 1. Dennis Holland, "Sierra Saints" (El Dorado County & Stake) 2. Chad Orton, "More Faith Than Fear" (Los Angeles Stake) 3. Evelyn Candland, "An Ensign to the Nations" (Oakland Stake) 4. -----, "Sacramento Gold" (Sacramento Stake) 5. Norma Ricketts, "Reflections, A History of the Sacramento Stake" 6. -----, "San Francisco California Stake" 7. John & Mary Nash, "In a Goodly Land" (Modesto, Turlock & Manteca Stakes) 8. Lorin Hansen & Lila Bringhurst, "Let This Be Zion" (Fremont Stake) 9. Lynn Hilton, "The Story of the Salt Lake Stake" I think they are worth having if you are interested in or have lived in an area. Otherwise, there are probably just too many of them. I'd be interested in one for San Bernardino or Gridley. Anyone know if one has been published? Bob Carter Sacramento __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:33:34 -0700 From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Another Stake History Steve, Thanks for bringing this up. Where could a NoCal-er get a copy of this new stake history? I am also looking for a copy of the Pasadena Stake History. Do you know where I could buy a copy? Joe >I just got a copy of a book titled "Community of Faith: History of the La >Crescenta California Stake." It was written by Laura F. Willes with Iris >Lynn Kindred. > >It is a wonderfully published book, hard bound about the size of a typical >Deseret book and 286 pages in length. > >Laura Willis is the wife of Mark Willis, past CEO of the Times Mirror Corp. >and publisher of the L.A. Times. At the time, they resided in the La >Crescenta Stake during his tenure. She also wrote a history of another >stake she lived in - Minnesota Mormons: The History of the Minneapolis >Minnesota Stake. She also has published articles in the Friend. > >I understand that Mark Willis may have paid for the printing and they are >selling copies at $10 each. Proceeds at this point are going to refurbish a >Relief Society Room in one of the Wards in their Stake. > >Mark left the Times with a golden handshake when it was sold to the Chicago >Tribune. He went to BYU and was offered a position at their Business >School. >Currently, he is Mission President in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is the nephew of >President Hinckley. > >I have a history of Pasadena Stake and the Cincinnati Ohio Stake as well. > >I wonder what other histories there are that are worth having. > >--Steve > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:18:00 -0600 From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Another Stake History >>> Steve.Eccles2@verizon.net 08/08/01 02:36PM >>> > >Laura Willis is the wife of Mark Willis, past CEO of the Times Mirror = Corp. >and publisher of the L.A. Times. At the time, they resided in the La >Crescenta Stake during his tenure. She also wrote a history of another >stake she lived in - Minnesota Mormons: The History of the Minneapolis >Minnesota Stake. She also has published articles in the Friend. She published the Minnesota Stake history under the (more Utahnic?) name = Fayonne Willes. It's well done (I was going to say "as local history = goes," but it's well done by any standard), and particularly interesting = to those of us who can put faces with the names. I saw a copy at Pioneer = Book in Provo, last time I was in. Factoid: at one time, the presidency of the Minnesota Stake consisted of 3 = General Mills employees: Mark Willes (SP and CEO), Dick Edgley (now known = as Richard C. Edgley of the Presiding Bishopric), and J. Brent Adair (m' = pa). MBA - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:30:01 -0400 From: Frank Marotta Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Zion's Trumpet Has anyone seen this volume? Care to comment on content, quality of production, etc.? ZION'S TRUMPET 1849 Welsh Mormon Periodical by Dennis, Ronald D. Provo Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University 2001. AN/AN. Religious Studies Center Specialized Monograph Series; Vol. 15; 8vo; 240+ pp; This volume is a facsimile edition of the twelve issues of Zion's Trumpet that appeared during 1849. The physcial appearance of the Welsh original has been reproduced with similar type fonts that have been slightly enlarged for this English translation. Frank Marotta ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:24:07 -0700 From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Zion's Trumpet I haven't yet Frank but it's one I just ordered from Benchmark. Do you know anything about the Specialized Monograph Series? Is this an open ended series or was there an end in mind? I guess the same question applies to the Monograph Series also. Albert Gardner Yuma Territorial Penitentiary, AZ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Marotta" To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 4:30 PM Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Zion's Trumpet > Has anyone seen this volume? > > Care to comment on content, quality of production, etc.? > > ZION'S TRUMPET 1849 Welsh Mormon Periodical by Dennis, Ronald D. Provo > Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University 2001. AN/AN. Religious > Studies Center Specialized Monograph Series; Vol. 15; 8vo; 240+ pp; This > volume is a facsimile edition of the twelve issues of Zion's Trumpet that > appeared during 1849. The physcial appearance of the Welsh original has > been reproduced with similar type fonts that have been slightly enlarged > for this English translation. > > Frank Marotta - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:39:10 -0700 From: Keith Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts At Curt Bench's presentation at Sunstone, he gave a little quiz on Mormon book firsts. Book was defined to include pamphlets but not magazines, newspapers, or broadsides. Some examples: What was the first Mormon work of fiction? What was the first foreign language Book of Mormon? What was the first book of poetry? What was the first book done by an LDS woman? One question not in his quiz puzzles me. What was the first LDS book of photographs? Emerge from lurkdom and take a shot at these. Keith - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:39:26 -0700 From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts Is this a test to see if Will Bagley is on this list? If he is, then his answer will be a test to see if Dean Eborn is on the list. Albert Gardner Yuma Territorial Penitentiary, AZ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts > At Curt Bench's presentation at Sunstone, he gave a little quiz on Mormon > book firsts. Book was defined to include pamphlets but not magazines, > newspapers, or broadsides. > Some examples: > > What was the first Mormon work of fiction? > - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:31:33 -0700 From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Signature Books: Significant Mormon Diaries I'm trying to collect the Signature Mormon Diaries series and these are the titles I have. Can anyone help with the titles, editors and dates of the ones not listed? No. 1, 2, and 5 are the ones I don't have or know the proper title of. Is no. 8 the last? Thanks, Albert Gardner Yuma Territorial Penitentiary, AZ Significant Mormon Diaries Series No. 3 (1989) Letters from Exile The Correspondence of Martha Hughes Cannon and Angus M. Cannon, 1886-1888 CONSTANCE L. LIEBER and JOHN SILLITO, EDITORS No. 4 (1990) Church, State, and Politics The Diaries of John Henry Smith JEAN BICKMORE WHITE, EDITOR No. 6 (1993) A Ministry of Meetings The Apostolic Diaries of Rudger Clawson STAN LARSON, EDITOR No. 7 (1997) In the World The Diaries of Reed Smoot HARVARD S. HEATH, EDITOR No. 8 (1998) Mormon Democrat The Religious and Political Memoirs of James Henry Moyle GENE A. SESSIONS, EDITOR - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 01:01:41 -0600 From: "John Hatch" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Signature Books: Significant Mormon Diaries Number 8 is the last one in the series so far. Here are the others: No. 1 (1987) An American Prophets Record: The Diaries of Joseph Smith Scott Faulring, Editor No. 2 (1987) On the Potter's Wheel: The Diaries of Heber C. Kimball Stanley B. Kimball, Editor No. 5 (1991) An Intimate Chronicle: The Journals of William Clayton George D. Smith, Editor No one should mistake this list to mean I actually have all of these. I'm still looking for On the Potter's Wheel and Intimate Chronicle. If you've got one for sale, let me know :) John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Gardner" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 12:31 AM Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Signature Books: Significant Mormon Diaries > I'm trying to collect the Signature Mormon Diaries series and these are the > titles I have. Can anyone help with the titles, editors and dates of the > ones not listed? No. 1, 2, and 5 are the ones I don't have or know the > proper title of. Is no. 8 the last? > Thanks, > Albert Gardner > Yuma Territorial Penitentiary, AZ > > Significant Mormon Diaries Series > No. 3 (1989) > Letters from Exile > The Correspondence of Martha Hughes Cannon and Angus M. Cannon, 1886-1888 > CONSTANCE L. LIEBER and > JOHN SILLITO, EDITORS > > No. 4 (1990) > Church, State, and Politics > The Diaries of John Henry Smith > JEAN BICKMORE WHITE, EDITOR > > No. 6 (1993) > A Ministry of Meetings > The Apostolic Diaries of Rudger Clawson > STAN LARSON, EDITOR > > No. 7 (1997) > In the World > The Diaries of Reed Smoot > HARVARD S. HEATH, EDITOR > > No. 8 (1998) > Mormon Democrat > The Religious and Political Memoirs of James Henry Moyle > GENE A. SESSIONS, EDITOR > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:10:03 -0700 From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Signature Books: Significant Mormon Diaries Thanks John. I have Kimball's earlier book on Heber - "Heber C. Kimball: Mormon Patriarch and Pioneer" U of Illinois Press, 1981. This biography is good reading, I hope the diaries prove to be as good. Albert Gardner Yuma, Arizona albert.gardner@att.net - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:00:18 EDT From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts In a message dated 8/13/01 11:57:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irwinkw@earthlink.net writes: << At Curt Bench's presentation at Sunstone, he gave a little quiz on Mormon book firsts. Book was defined to include pamphlets but not magazines, newspapers, or broadsides. Some examples: What was the first Mormon work of fiction? What was the first foreign language Book of Mormon? What was the first book of poetry? What was the first book done by an LDS woman? >> My lawnmower broke this afternoon and ADT took all my money to install a security system at the house, required so I can spend another thousand for insurance on the frighteningly expensive Mormon books which keep visiting here on their way to customers' houses. So I can use a little diversion by exploring my own ignorance. Just guesses: First fiction: [can't think, can't think, but Bennett does not count . . .] First foreign was the Danish, 1851 First poetry: Parley P. Pratt, The Millennium, a Poem . . . Boston, 1835 ? First woman's book: Emma Hymnal 1835? - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:38:57 -0400 From: Frank Marotta Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts On the fiction, a wild guess: Pratt, Parley - Dialogue between Joe Smith and the Devil, 1845. OK, someone should be able to beat that. Frank Marotta On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:00:18 EDT RickBook@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 8/13/01 11:57:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > irwinkw@earthlink.net writes: > > << At Curt Bench's presentation at Sunstone, he gave a little quiz > on Mormon > book firsts. Book was defined to include pamphlets but not > magazines, > newspapers, or broadsides. > > Some examples: > > What was the first Mormon work of fiction? > > What was the first foreign language Book of Mormon? > > What was the first book of poetry? > > What was the first book done by an LDS woman? >> > > > My lawnmower broke this afternoon and ADT took all my money to > install a > security system at the house, required so I can spend another > thousand for > insurance on the frighteningly expensive Mormon books which keep > visiting > here on their way to customers' houses. So I can use a little > diversion by > exploring my own ignorance. Just guesses: > > First fiction: [can't think, can't think, but Bennett does not > count . . .] > > First foreign was the Danish, 1851 > > First poetry: Parley P. Pratt, The Millennium, a Poem . . . Boston, > 1835 ? > > First woman's book: Emma Hymnal 1835? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message > body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:21:07 -0600 From: "Curt Bench" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts Frank Marotta wrote: > On the fiction, a wild guess: > > Pratt, Parley - Dialogue between Joe Smith and the Devil, 1845. > > OK, someone should be able to beat that. > > Frank Marotta > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:00:18 EDT RickBook@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 8/13/01 11:57:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > irwinkw@earthlink.net writes: > > > > << At Curt Bench's presentation at Sunstone, he gave a little quiz > > on Mormon > > book firsts. Book was defined to include pamphlets but not > > magazines, > > newspapers, or broadsides. > > > > Some examples: > > > > What was the first Mormon work of fiction? > > > > What was the first foreign language Book of Mormon? > > > > What was the first book of poetry? > > > > What was the first book done by an LDS woman? >> > > > > > > > First fiction: [can't think, can't think, but Bennett does not > > count . . .] > > > > First foreign was the Danish, 1851 > > > > First poetry: Parley P. Pratt, The Millennium, a Poem . . . Boston, > > 1835 ? > > > > First woman's book: Emma Hymnal 1835? > Wow, I'm impressed! Between Frank and Rick, they got them all right. Now, work on these (from fairly easy to difficult): Which is the first edition of the Book of Mormon to be published in Utah? The first temple expose? First friendly non-Mormon book? The first account of the murders of Joseph & Hyrum Smith? First poetry by a woman? First novel? More to follow. Let's see how you "biblioHolmeses" do. Curt Bench - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:01:26 -0600 From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts On 16 Aug 2001, at 10:21, Curt Bench wrote: > Wow, I'm impressed! Between Frank and Rick, they got them all right. > Now, work on these (from fairly easy to difficult): > > Which is the first edition of the Book of Mormon to be published in > Utah? Well, I'm not much good on the rest of them, but this is interesting. The answer depends on what you mean by "published." The "First Utah Edition" of 1871 was the first to be *printed* in Utah, but it used stereotype plates that had been created in England for the 1852 Third European and used thereafter for multiple printings. Then the Orson Pratt revision of 1879, most copies of which bore a Salt Lake imprint, was printed from electrotype plates also made in England. The "Bureau of Information" imprints of 1905 to 1912 or so were actually set and printed in Chicago. The 1920 edition was typeset and printed in Hammond, IN and later printed in Independence, MO. So if "publication" means "edited, typeset and printed" in Salt Lake City, my candidate for the first would be the 1888 Pulpit Edition. Hugh Stocks hstocks@vii.com Sign in a Vienna hotel room: In the event of fire, do your utmost to alarm the porter. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:29:21 EDT From: Sandysbo@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts - --part1_c0.19212d21.28ad6b01_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an 1874 edition imprinted Salt Lake City. Inscribed by someone "2nd Utah Edition". George Phelps - --part1_c0.19212d21.28ad6b01_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an 1874 edition imprinted Salt Lake City. Inscribed by someone "2nd
Utah Edition".

George Phelps - --part1_c0.19212d21.28ad6b01_boundary-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:13:30 -0400 From: Frank Marotta Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:21:07 -0600 "Curt Bench" writes: > The first temple expose? > Let us take a stab at this: Increase Van Deusen's "The Mormon Endowment", 1847. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:47:24 -0600 From: Curt Bench Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Firsts Frank Marotta wrote: > On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:21:07 -0600 "Curt Bench" > writes: > > > The first temple expose? > > > > Let us take a stab at this: Increase Van Deusen's "The Mormon Endowment", > 1847. > ______________________________________________________________ Yep--bravo again. Curt - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:44:07 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Eugene England This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C12722.AF92F660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just heard from Armand Mauss that Eugene England died today. 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