From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #930 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Tuesday, August 21 2001 Volume 01 : Number 930 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:11:11 -0600 From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Ebay etc. Hi all, I have been a long time posting. But I could not let this one slide by. Here is some Authority selling Selected Manifestations on E-Bay. I have a copy and a suspect many of you do. I have read to book and other than the self andangrisement ) it reminds me of From Heart to Heart) in the foreword etc. the contents have been lifted from other sources. - Nothing much to write home about and really, is it worth the money??? Yes, I suppose I would sell my copy for $800.00 to some dolt whom I never expected to meet again i.e. - the e-bay crowd but look at this fellow hipe on the book: I am particurlary bent at his insistence that this is the "the hardest to find of all Mormon 20th century books " This guy must really get around or is he just dishonest..... and oh, look who is high bidder so far... Hugh rare Selected Manifestations Reay Mormon 1985 Item # 1455686749 Books:Antiquarian_Rare:Religion Currently $510.00 (reserve not yet met) First bid $1.00 Quantity 1 # of bids 7 bid history Time left 1 days, 20 hours + Location paradise Country USA Started Aug-13-01 11:07:07 PDT mail this auction to a friend Ends Aug-20-01 11:07:07 PDT watch this item | you're watching 10 items Seller (Rating) julianjules (44) view comments in seller's Feedback Profile | view seller's other auctions | ask seller a question High bid leatherbk (61) Payment Money Order/Cashiers Checks. See item description for payment methods accepted Shipping Seller pays for shipping. Seller ships internationally (worldwide). Seller assumes all responsibility for listing this item. You should contact the seller to resolve any questions before bidding. Auction currency is U.S. dollars ( $ ) unless otherwise noted. Description *Everyone my reserve is under $850 * <> PLEASE READ ALL THE INFORMATION SO YOU UNDERSTAND <> I was sent countless emails regarding the previous two auction of this book. Questioning the actual rareness or scarcity of it. To which I say; try and find one! You won't and can't. This book is only 16 years old and the fact that none of the dealers in Salt Lake City have one for sale, nor have had one in recent months proves just how scarce this book really is! It is the hardest to find of all Mormon 20th century books <> * First and only edition Selected Manifestations by David M. & Vonda S. Reay with dust jacket and in MINT condition.<> If your a serious collector than you know what this book is and what it looks like. Printed in 1985 and circulated for around a couple of weeks before the first presidency of the church asked that all copies of the book be removed from bookstores. Very few are now in existance <> book cover and binding is all white, 413 pages including appendix , the dust jacket pictures the father and son in vision standing in the air before adam and eve. there's a back round of white light with the salt lake temple behind the two personages. <> WINNER AGREES TO PAY WITH POST OFFICE MONEY ORDER ONLY ! No personal checks! I WILL ACCEPT PAYPAL.COM [VISA/MASTERCARD] Auction must be paid for within 5 days after it ends.<> ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE EMAIL julianjules00@cs.com thanks. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:14:58 -0600 From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Ebay etc. the edited version Hi all, I have been a long time posting. But I could not let this one slide by. Here is some Authority selling Selected Manifestations on E-Bay. I have a copy and a suspect many of you do. I have read the book and other than the self aggrandizement ) it reminds me of From Heart to Heart) in the foreword etc. the contents have been lifted from other sources. - Nothing much to write home about and really, is it worth the money??? Yes, I suppose I would sell my copy for $800.00 to some dolt whom I never expected to meet again i.e. - the e-bay crowd but look at this fellow's hipe on the book: I am particularly bent at his insistence that this is the "the hardest to find of all Mormon 20th century books " This guy must really get around or is he just dishonest..... and oh, look who is high bidder so far... Hugh rare Selected Manifestations Reay Mormon 1985 Item # 1455686749 Books:Antiquarian_Rare:Religion Currently $510.00 (reserve not yet met) First bid $1.00 Quantity 1 # of bids 7 bid history Time left 1 days, 20 hours + Location paradise Country USA Started Aug-13-01 11:07:07 PDT mail this auction to a friend Ends Aug-20-01 11:07:07 PDT watch this item | you're watching 10 items Seller (Rating) julianjules (44) view comments in seller's Feedback Profile | view seller's other auctions | ask seller a question High bid leatherbk (61) Payment Money Order/Cashiers Checks. See item description for payment methods accepted Shipping Seller pays for shipping. Seller ships internationally (worldwide). Seller assumes all responsibility for listing this item. You should contact the seller to resolve any questions before bidding. Auction currency is U.S. dollars ( $ ) unless otherwise noted. Description *Everyone my reserve is under $850 * <> PLEASE READ ALL THE INFORMATION SO YOU UNDERSTAND <> I was sent countless emails regarding the previous two auction of this book. Questioning the actual rareness or scarcity of it. To which I say; try and find one! You won't and can't. This book is only 16 years old and the fact that none of the dealers in Salt Lake City have one for sale, nor have had one in recent months proves just how scarce this book really is! It is the hardest to find of all Mormon 20th century books <> * First and only edition Selected Manifestations by David M. & Vonda S. Reay with dust jacket and in MINT condition.<> If your a serious collector than you know what this book is and what it looks like. Printed in 1985 and circulated for around a couple of weeks before the first presidency of the church asked that all copies of the book be removed from bookstores. Very few are now in existance <> book cover and binding is all white, 413 pages including appendix , the dust jacket pictures the father and son in vision standing in the air before adam and eve. there's a back round of white light with the salt lake temple behind the two personages. <> WINNER AGREES TO PAY WITH POST OFFICE MONEY ORDER ONLY ! No personal checks! I WILL ACCEPT PAYPAL.COM [VISA/MASTERCARD] Auction must be paid for within 5 days after it ends.<> ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE EMAIL julianjules00@cs.com thanks. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:27:30 -0600 From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... Hi all, I have a bone to pick with mormon publishers. Sure, I understand that all they want to do is sell books but what about us collectors who not only want content but care about the quality of the bound book itself. Take a look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year or two. I am sad to report that all or nearly all of them are perfect bound books: Glued books like the paper bound books we all despise thrown in a hardbound cover with a dust jacket to pretty it up. Even The Papers of Joseph Smith among others.... The only salvation as one bookshelfer pointed out to me is that if most fall apart in a year or so as I fear, those of us who have kept good care (i.e. never opened or read them ) will be the only ones with decent copies price is bound to increase ... Oh, and don't get me started on the problems of other publishers i.e. The Arthur H. Clark's latest endeavors which have been obliquely mentioned here. Hugh - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:10:21 EDT From: BJRom@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... - --part1_ab.dee2c35.28b1772d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh, Although I have had a fair amount of experience examining bindings, I find I am sometimes fooled by those corner-cutting publishers--maybe its slick dust jackets or the faux headbands! Could you please give us a primer on how to determine whether or book is perfect bound without damaging the book. After all, if it is perfect bound its already subject to damage by just opening it. Thanks, Brian In a message dated 8/18/2001 3:40:55 PM Mountain Daylight Time, hjmckell@xmission.com writes: > Hi all, > > > I have a bone to pick with mormon publishers. Sure, I understand that all > they want to do is sell books but what about us collectors who not only > want content but care about the quality of the bound book itself. Take a > look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year or > two. I am sad to report that all or nearly all of them are perfect bound > books: Glued books like the paper bound books we all despise thrown in a > hardbound cover with a dust jacket to pretty it up. Even The Papers of > Joseph Smith among others.... The only salvation as one bookshelfer > pointed out to me is that if most fall apart in a year or so as I fear, > those of us who have kept good care (i.e. never opened or read them ) > will be the only ones with decent copies price is bound to increase ... > > Oh, and don't get me started on the problems of other publishers i.e. The > Arthur H. Clark's latest endeavors which have been obliquely mentioned > here. > > > Hugh > > > - --part1_ab.dee2c35.28b1772d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh,

Although I have had a fair amount of experience examining bindings, I find I
am sometimes fooled by those corner-cutting publishers--maybe its slick dust
jackets or the faux headbands!  Could you please give us a primer on how to
determine whether or book is perfect bound without damaging the book. After
all, if it is perfect bound its already subject to damage by just opening it.

Thanks,

Brian   

In a message dated 8/18/2001 3:40:55 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
hjmckell@xmission.com writes:


Hi all,


I have a bone to pick with mormon publishers. Sure, I understand that all
they want to do is sell books but what about us collectors who not only
want content but care about the quality of the bound book itself.  Take a
look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year or
two.  I am sad to report that all or nearly all of them are perfect bound
books:  Glued books like the paper bound books we all despise thrown in a
hardbound cover with a dust jacket to pretty it up. Even The Papers of
Joseph Smith among others....  The only salvation as one bookshelfer
pointed out to me is that if most fall apart in a year or so as I fear,
those of us who have kept good care (i.e. never opened or read them <g> )
will be the only ones with decent copies price is bound to increase <g>...

Oh, and don't get me started on the problems of other publishers i.e. The
Arthur H. Clark's latest endeavors which  have been obliquely mentioned
here.


Hugh




- --part1_ab.dee2c35.28b1772d_boundary-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:27:30 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C128CB.D8103EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How much do they save by using the glued binding? - --Steve - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of BJRom@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 1:10 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... Hugh, Although I have had a fair amount of experience examining bindings, I find I am sometimes fooled by those corner-cutting publishers--maybe its slick dust jackets or the faux headbands! Could you please give us a primer on how to determine whether or book is perfect bound without damaging the book. After all, if it is perfect bound its already subject to damage by just opening it. Thanks, Brian In a message dated 8/18/2001 3:40:55 PM Mountain Daylight Time, hjmckell@xmission.com writes: Hi all, I have a bone to pick with mormon publishers. Sure, I understand that all they want to do is sell books but what about us collectors who not only want content but care about the quality of the bound book itself. Take a look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year or two. I am sad to report that all or nearly all of them are perfect bound books: Glued books like the paper bound books we all despise thrown in a hardbound cover with a dust jacket to pretty it up. Even The Papers of Joseph Smith among others.... The only salvation as one bookshelfer pointed out to me is that if most fall apart in a year or so as I fear, those of us who have kept good care (i.e. never opened or read them ) will be the only ones with decent copies price is bound to increase ... Oh, and don't get me started on the problems of other publishers i.e. The Arthur H. Clark's latest endeavors which have been obliquely mentioned here. Hugh - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C128CB.D8103EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ho= w much do they save by using the glued = binding?

 

--= Steve

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of BJRom@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 19, = 2001 1:10 PM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one......

 

Hugh,

Although I have had a fair amount of experience examining bindings, I = find I
am sometimes fooled by those corner-cutting publishers--maybe its slick = dust
jackets or the faux headbands!  Could you please give us a primer = on how to
determine whether or book is perfect bound without damaging the book. = After
all, if it is perfect bound its already subject to damage by just = opening it.

Thanks,

Brian   

In a message dated 8/18/2001 3:40:55 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
hjmckell@xmission.com writes:



Hi all,


I have a bone to pick with mormon publishers. Sure, I understand that = all
they want to do is sell books but what about us collectors who not only =
want content but care about the quality of the bound book itself. =  Take a
look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year = or
two.  I am sad to report that all or nearly all of them are perfect = bound
books:  Glued books like the paper bound books we all despise = thrown in a
hardbound cover with a dust jacket to pretty it up. Even The Papers of =
Joseph Smith among others....  The only salvation as one = bookshelfer
pointed out to me is that if most fall apart in a year or so as I fear, =
those of us who have kept good care (i.e. never opened or read them = <g> )
will be the only ones with decent copies price is bound to increase <g>...

Oh, and don't get me started on the problems of other publishers i.e. = The
Arthur H. Clark's latest endeavors which  have been obliquely = mentioned
here.


Hugh

 <= /p>

- ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C128CB.D8103EE0-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:02:08 -0600 From: "Hugh J. McKell" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... At 04:10 PM 8/19/2001 EDT, you wrote: I am no expert - that's why it took me this long to discover it. But the lack of signatures and thread are a sure sign. Most times you can see the glue at the spine just like on the paperbacks if you look closely. and you are right about the damage just by opening the book - if any of you collect the Gibbons Profit < Series look closely at the Heber J. Grant volume. Perfect example. Hugh >>>> arial,helveticaHugh, Although I have had a fair amount of experience examining bindings, I find I am sometimes fooled by those corner-cutting publishers--maybe its slick dust jackets or the faux headbands! Could you please give us a primer on how to determine whether or book is perfect bound without damaging the book. After all, if it is perfect bound its already subject to damage by just opening it. Thanks, arial,helveticaBrian - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 03:09:32 GMT From: "jphatch" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: As long as I am on one...... > > Take a > look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year or > two. How dare you! Deseret Book would never, ever do such a thing! Well, ok, maybe every once in a while. Unfortunately, I think you touched on the whole problem when you mentioned those of us that want to take care of our books and expect quality production. We're not in the picture anymore - most publishers have little interest in this - it's all about marketing, selling etc. Most of the genres that people actually sit down and read (sci-fi, romance, mystery, etc.) are usually published in wrappers anyway. Non-fiction books like history, biography, etc. are the ones published in hardcover. Since folks who buy these books are used to paying higher prices, publishers can produce lower quality books at less of a cost without decreasing profit margins. And to partially answer the question of how much is saved, I'm not an expert but my guess would be between $2 - $5 a book, depending on the book. If you've got a print run of 10,000 books (which is roughly a typical Deseret Book first print run) you're starting to save big bucks. John - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 03:17:27 GMT From: "jphatch" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Re: Ebay etc. the edited version > Nothing > much to write home about and really, is it worth the money??? Speaking of worth the money, some of the Gibbons bios are starting to approach the $200.00 mark. It seems like there's more and more of these types of books coming around - everybody wants one because everybody else has one. Not much of a question about what's actually in the book. Not that I'm one to fall for such nonsense John (owner of almost all Gibbons bios) - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:30:34 -0600 From: "ROY SCHMIDT" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] As long as I am on one...... Hugh, I hear that Deseret and its other imprints are either printing books on demand or are moving in that direction. If so, would that explaining the need for perfect binding? Roy Schmidt >>> "Hugh J. McKell" 08/18/01 03:27PM >>> Hi all, I have a bone to pick with mormon publishers. Sure, I understand that all they want to do is sell books but what about us collectors who not only want content but care about the quality of the bound book itself. Take a look at most any Signature or Deseret Book publication in the last year or two. I am sad to report that all or nearly all of them are perfect bound books: Glued books like the paper bound books we all despise thrown in a hardbound cover with a dust jacket to pretty it up. Even The Papers of Joseph Smith among others.... The only salvation as one bookshelfer pointed out to me is that if most fall apart in a year or so as I fear, those of us who have kept good care (i.e. never opened or read them ) will be the only ones with decent copies price is bound to increase ... Oh, and don't get me started on the problems of other publishers i.e. The Arthur H. Clark's latest endeavors which have been obliquely mentioned here. Hugh - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:06:51 -0600 From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Tribute to Gene England "My favorite memory or story about Gene is ..." by Morgan B. Adair Lindon, Utah I heard Gene England lecture many times while I was at BYU (B.A., English, = 1982), and found his books inspiring, but the most vivid memory I have of = him is of a conversation I had with him in February 2000.=20 I collect books--what I refer to as scholarly Mormon books, with an = emphasis on history, biography, and literature. I like to have authors = sign my books, whenever possible. A book represents a connection between = the author and reader. Meeting the author and having them sign their book = makes that connection more personal. I read in the paper that Gene England was speaking at UVSC, a lecture open = to the public. I went, and brought several of Gene's books with me. When I = approached him after the lecture, some of his family members were waiting = to leave with him. He asked them to wait for just a few minutes while he = signed and inscribed my books: Brother Brigham ("May you learn to love Brother Brigham as I do."). Gene = said he talked to Deseret Book about publishing a new edition when the = Church's adult course of study was the teachings of Brigham Young. He was = disappointed that they decided against it. Making Peace ("Best wishes as you try to make peace in the world. = Shalom.")=20 Harvest: Contemporary Mormon Poems ("Enjoy this fine poetry. It is food = for the soul.") Bright Angels and Familiars: Contemporary Mormon Stories ("May you learn = to love all these writers.") An Open World: Essays on Leslie Norris ("With great pleasure at the = prospect of you getting to know Leslie"). Gene's speech that day was on = the poetry of Leslie Norris, and Leslie read some of his poetry. Tending the Garden: Essays on Mormon Literature ("May this help you know = Mormon literary criticism and cultural study better.") I pointed out where = my name appeared in a footnote in the book. Gene circled my name and = wrote, "Way to go, Morgan!" Gene asked some questions about my book collection. I told him that I was = building a library of scholarly books on Mormonism, and that someday I = plan to donate them to a university that is trying to establish a Mormon = Studies program. He asked me to consider UVSC when that day comes. I don't = know if UVSC will carry out what Gene had planned, but I know that the = generation of students that Gene taught will help make it happen somewhere.= As I continue to build my book collection, Gene England's books will have = an honored place, and I'll think of him often. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:22:02 -0600 From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Quest for the ultimate database As I mentioned some months ago, I've been migrating my book data from = Access to Readerware. I admit that I was seduced by a few of Readerware's = sexy features, but as I've gotten to know it better, I've discovered some = warts and personality flaws. I thought at first that I could give myself = completely to Readerware, but I have since discovered that I'm just not a = one-database man. I am currently in an open relationship with three = different databases. Those who are interested in the lurid details may = read on, but I warn you that I will get technical. Readerware's strength is data entry. You can give it an ISBN or a file of = ISBNs, and it will go out to Amazon or B&N.com or a handful of other web = sites, get publication data for the book (and a "thumbnail" graphic of the = book cover, if one is available) and create a new entry in the database. = The latest version has a feature they call "browser integration" that = enables you, when you're browsing Amazon or B&N.com and find a book you = want to buy, to drag the book page URL from the browser window to a little = target icon on the Readerware window. Readerware reads the data from that = page and creates an entry in the database. I previously mentioned = Readerware's support for barcode readers, which is kinda sexy, but I find = I don't actually use it much. Readerware's main weakness is reporting. It generates reports in HTML, and = it only comes with a few simple designs. In my Access database, I could = generate reports of books I own, sorted by author, publisher, or topic. I = could generate want lists sorted by author, publisher, or by a priority = ranking. I could generate a report for insurance purposes that has the = estimated value of each book, with a total at the end. I had a real nice = report design that had a list of book series that I'm collecting, with all = the volumes in the series listed in order, and the volumes that I haven't = purchased yet shaded. So how could I take advantage of Readerware's data entry features and = Access's reporting features? First, I moved all my data from my Access = database to Readerware. When I want to generate a report, I export the = entire database to a comma-delimited file, which is then linked to an = Access database. I can then use all the report designs that I created for = my old Access database. In the process of moving the data into Readerware, I had to deal with = another issue. In Access, you can add an unlimited number of fields to a = database. Readerware has a predefined set of fields, and allows you to add = up to 10 user-defined fields. I added the following fields to my Readerware= database, so that I wouldn't lose any data from my Access database: Volume Number (Readerware has a field for the name of a book series, but = not for the volume number in that series) Edition Printing (Readerware has a check box you can check if the book is a first = edition, but no fields for edition and printing, if you want to track them = beyond that) Purchase Date Purchase Price Purchased From Purchase Priority Flake # ImageFile (more on this field below) Which leaves me one more user-defined field available, should I need it = later. I mentioned that Readerware downloads thumbnail images of book covers when = you capture data from Amazon or B&N.com. It displays these thumbnails on = the book's record view and on some of it's reports, but it doesn't export = these images. I found that Readerware stores these images in .jpg or .gif = files in a subdirectory of the program directory, called [databaseName].rwd= .thumbnails. So when I add a new book entry to my database, if there's a = thumbnail graphic of the book cover available, I enter the name of the = file containing the image in my ImageFile field. (Readerware uses some = kind of hash algorithm to generate names for the image files, so I just = keep this subdirectory sorted by date, and new file entries get put at the = end of the folder listing.) This field gets exported to my Access = database, and I can use it to generate reports that include an image of = book covers. Ok, next problem. Readerware has a Comments field that I use to store = price data, publication data, and other miscellaneous notes about books. = When I export my database to a comma-delimited format, Readerware replaces = all the carriage returns in this field to "&newline;". Also, if any field = has a double quote, Readerware converts it to "&doublequote;". It's a = minor annoyance I could live with, but I found a freeware program called = BK ReplaceEm on Download.com that will search through my comma-delimited = file and replace all the "&newline;"s with carriage returns, and all the = "&doublequote;"s with single quotes (inserting a double quote would mess = up the database, because the comma-delimited format uses double quotes to = enable you to include commas in a field). Okay, so at this point I have the data entry advantages of Readerware and = the reporting advantages of Access. All I have to do is export data from = Readerware to a comma-delimited file, run BK ReplaceEm on the file, then = run Access and generate my reports. Next, I wanted to be able to download my book data to my Palm. Readerware = has a Palm version that costs only $10 extra. I didn't try it when I was = evaluating Readerware, but I thought it would probably be adequate. I was = wrong. The Readerware Palm program is very limited; it only copies a few = fields from the database, and is totally inflexible in how the data is = displayed. Fortunately, I already had a general-purpose Palm database, ThinkDB, that = can import data from a comma-delimited file. It has a hard time with the = amount of data I have in my book database (about 2200 records), so I = export from Readerware to two separate files: one containing books I own, = the other containing books on my want list. I used to carry a 20-page want = list with me when I went book shopping; now I have all that data on my = Palm, plus I have all the data for books I own, so if I happen to run = across a first edition of Brooks' Mountain Meadows Massacre, I can check = to see whether the copy I already have is a first edition. Don't ask how many hours I spent figuring all this out and setting it up. = Now that it's working it doesn't take much time to maintain. Printing a = report takes about two minutes longer than it used to, because now I have = to export data into Access before printing. It takes about 5 minutes to = transfer the database from Readerware to ThinkDB, then another 5 minutes = to download the data to the Palm. It's a small price to pay for the best = of all possible databases. MBA - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ End of lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #930 ***********************************