From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #934 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Friday, November 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 934 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:37:52 -0500 From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Another USU/Church Historical Article ..Arrington did sign the agreement in 1980, Simper said, but much of what = is in the collection "are copies of copies." It is unclear if the copies = or transcripts were made before or after the agreement was signed... If this argument holds up, what's to prevent the university from making = copies of the copies to keep, and returning the original copies of the = copies? Sounds like we're confusing physical and intellectual (or some = other kind of) property. Allow me to quietly say that, in my humble = opinion, most of the stuff on the list looks like it would be church = property...which is not an invitation to argue about whether or not the = church has an obligation to show it to anyone. Mick =20 <<< jphatch@qwest.net 10/26 11:14a >>> The Salt Lake Tribune has another article on the dispute between the Church and USU over the Arrington Collection. The Church stands by their claim and, as you can guess, so does USU. Most fascinating, however, is a list in the article of all the documents the Church wants back. Here's the link: http://www.sltrib.com/10262001/utah/143394.htm This is for the article - there's an additional link in the article to go to the list of documents. John - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" =20 - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 14:56:51 EDT From: BJRom@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] DB's Heirloom Edition BoM - --part1_66.16634dd5.290c5d73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As many of you undoubtedly know, a dispute arose over the fact that DB did not have the permission of the "Scriptures Committee" to publish the leather Book of Mormon that includes Minerva Teichart's paintings and places to write your genealogy. Yesterday, DB started inserting plain 8.5 x 11 paper sheets into the bottom of each book's box with the following message: "The text of this edition of the Book of Mormon is in public domain; therefore the statement printed in the book 'printed with permission from the Scriptures Committee of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' was included in error. The statement 'published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' was intended to convey that the original publication of the Book of Mormon was published by the Church. It was not intended to communicate that this edition was printed by the Church." Nothing else is included on the sheet. Brian - --part1_66.16634dd5.290c5d73_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As many of you undoubtedly know, a dispute arose over the fact that DB did not have the permission of the "Scriptures Committee" to publish the leather Book of Mormon that includes Minerva Teichart's paintings and places to write your genealogy.  Yesterday, DB started inserting plain 8.5 x 11 paper sheets into the bottom of each book's box with the following message:

"The text of this edition of the Book of Mormon is in public domain; therefore the statement printed in the book 'printed with permission from the Scriptures Committee of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' was included in error.

The statement 'published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' was intended to convey that the original publication of the Book of Mormon was published by the Church.  It was not intended to communicate that this edition was printed by the Church."

Nothing else is included on the sheet.

Brian - --part1_66.16634dd5.290c5d73_boundary-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 13:37:10 -0600 From: "John Hatch" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] DB's Heirloom Edition BoM - --------------DCA3757B26D7A05B2D711386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know a number of collectors have had a tendency to wave their hand in the air when this item is mentioned and talk about how it will NEVER be collectible. That may be true and only time will tell. But the prediction from collectors that Deseret Book would be remaindering these for $10.00 in two years is far from correct. After being available for about 6 weeks, the Deseret Book retail stores are almost completely sold out of this. The bookclub still has around 4,000 and will probably start sending leftover copies to the retail stores in mid-November. I'd be surprised if these make it past Christmas. There were 10,000 printed and, despite speculation from collectors to the contrary, there are absolutely no plans to reprint it. And with this latest development (Brian is entirely correct, BTW - we received the inserts in our store on Wed. or Thurs.) the bar is raised for potential collectability. With the ability to have family members record their genealogy in the front and write ownership information, my prediction is that clean copies in their original boxes and packaging will be very difficult to find someday. It may take a few years to reach that status, but I believe it will. John BJRom@aol.com wrote: > As many of you undoubtedly know, a dispute arose over the > fact that DB did not have the permission of the > "Scriptures Committee" to publish the leather Book of > Mormon that includes Minerva Teichart's paintings and > places to write your genealogy. Yesterday, DB started > inserting plain 8.5 x 11 paper sheets into the bottom of > each book's box with the following message: > > "The text of this edition of the Book of Mormon is in > public domain; therefore the statement printed in the book > 'printed with permission from the Scriptures Committee of > The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' was > included in error. > > The statement 'published by The Church of Jesus Christ of > Latter-day Saints' was intended to convey that the > original publication of the Book of Mormon was published > by the Church. It was not intended to communicate that > this edition was printed by the Church." > > Nothing else is included on the sheet. > > Brian - --------------DCA3757B26D7A05B2D711386 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know a number of collectors have had a tendency to wave their hand in the air when this item is mentioned and talk about how it will NEVER be collectible.  That may be true and only time will tell.  But the prediction from collectors that Deseret Book would be remaindering these for $10.00 in two years is far from correct.  After being available for about 6 weeks, the Deseret Book retail stores are almost completely sold out of this.  The bookclub still has around 4,000 and will probably start sending leftover copies to the retail stores in mid-November.  I'd be surprised if these make it past Christmas.  There were 10,000 printed and, despite speculation from collectors to the contrary, there are absolutely no plans to reprint it.

And with this latest development (Brian is entirely correct, BTW - we received the inserts in our store on Wed. or Thurs.) the bar is raised for potential collectability.  With the ability to have family members record their genealogy in the front and write ownership information, my prediction is that clean copies in their original boxes and packaging will be very difficult to find someday.  It may take a few years to reach that status, but I believe it will.

John

BJRom@aol.com wrote:

As many of you undoubtedly know, a dispute arose over the fact that DB did not have the permission of the "Scriptures Committee" to publish the leather Book of Mormon that includes Minerva Teichart's paintings and places to write your genealogy.  Yesterday, DB started inserting plain 8.5 x 11 paper sheets into the bottom of each book's box with the following message:

"The text of this edition of the Book of Mormon is in public domain; therefore the statement printed in the book 'printed with permission from the Scriptures Committee of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' was included in error.

The statement 'published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' was intended to convey that the original publication of the Book of Mormon was published by the Church.  It was not intended to communicate that this edition was printed by the Church."

Nothing else is included on the sheet.

Brian

- --------------DCA3757B26D7A05B2D711386-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 13:43:48 -0800 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Salt Lake Tribune -- Control of LDS History at Heart of USU Flap This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C15FB6.920E93C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is an excellent overview of the controversy surrounding the Arrington papers donated to USU. It is written by Lavina Fielding Anderson. - --Steve http://www.sltrib.com/10282001/utah/143903.htm - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C15FB6.920E93C0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="The Salt Lake Tribune -- Control of LDS History at Heart of USU Flap.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="The Salt Lake Tribune -- Control of LDS History at Heart of USU Flap.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=3Dhttp://www.sltrib.com/10282001/utah/143903.htm [DOC_layer1] BASEURL=3Dhttp://209.210.181.2/hserver/area=3Dslt.local.articles.position= 0/adsize=3Dbanner1/ACC_RANDOM=3D1004305382790 ORIGURL=3Dhttp://209.210.181.2/hserver/area=3Dslt.local.articles.position= 0/adsize=3Dbanner1/ACC_RANDOM=3D1004305382790 [DOC_layer2] BASEURL=3Dhttp://209.210.181.2/hserver/area=3Dslt.local.articles.position= 3/adsize=3Dbanner1/ACC_RANDOM=3D1004305382790 ORIGURL=3Dhttp://209.210.181.2/hserver/area=3Dslt.local.articles.position= 3/adsize=3Dbanner1/ACC_RANDOM=3D1004305382790 [InternetShortcut] URL=3Dhttp://www.sltrib.com/10282001/utah/143903.htm Modified=3D2060A289F95FC101C5 - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C15FB6.920E93C0-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:33:10 -0700 From: Ken Sanders Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Christie's:Book of Commandments The Book of Commandments sold at Christie's a short while ago for $350,000. Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:35:38 -0800 (PST) From: "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Christie's:Book of Commandments Ken, Do you know who bought it? Was it a dealer or a private individual? Mark Edlund On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Ken Sanders wrote: > > The Book of Commandments sold at Christie's a short while ago for $350,000. > > Ken Sanders > Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA > 268 South 200 East > Salt Lake City UT 84111 > (801) 521-3819 > Fax: (801) 521-2606 > http://www.kensandersbooks.com > ken@dreamgarden.com > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:53:53 -0700 From: "Curt Bench" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Christie's:Book of Commandments Ken Sanders wrote: > The Book of Commandments sold at Christie's a short while ago for $350,000. > > Ken Sanders Ken, Does that include the 10 % (I believe it is on that much) buyer's premium or was that the hammer price? Curt Bench - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:41:37 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Christie's:Book of Commandments In a message dated 10/29/01 4:58:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, ken@dreamgarden.com writes: << The Book of Commandments sold at Christie's a short while ago for $350,000. >> [quoted letter begins:] October 9, 2001 Mr. Chris Coover CHRISTIE'S 20 Rockefeller Plaza New York, NY 10020 Dear Chris, Damn you for throwing temptation in my direction! - That is what I would write if I knew you somewhat better. But since we are acquainted only by telephone, let me thank you, simply, for the complimentary copy of your stunning catalog for the October 29 sale. It is beautiful and impressive. I can't think that the Mormon Book of Commandments has been showcased anywhere so stunningly as you have presented it. My personal guess is that the bidding will reach about $225,000, but my opinion on something so rarified means nothing in today's economy & circumstances, and twice your estimate, if realized, will not suspend the laws of gravity. Nothing so expensive threatens my self-control. But the temptation which will hound me from my bed is your item 66 - clearly something I can buy, but should not. LaFayette's own copy of a pink silk broadside announcing a theatrical performance in his honor, in our state during his victory tour - and here I live, in LaFayette, New York. Damn, damn, damn, Rick Grunder [end of letter. Well, I had enough sense not to bid on the LaFayette item, but I'll miss it!] - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:56:53 -0700 From: Ken Sanders Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Christie's:Book of Commandments The hammer price was $350,000. The buyer's premium (15%) added $41,000 to the total. This was below their estimate of $400-$500,000. There were only two bidders. Presumably, if the new owner wishes to be known as an owner of The Book of Commandments, they will let it be known. Ken Sanders > Ken Sanders wrote: > > > The Book of Commandments sold at Christie's a short while ago for $350,000. > > > > Ken Sanders > > Ken, > > Does that include the 10 % (I believe it is on that much) buyer's premium or > was that the hammer price? > > Curt Bench > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:41:48 -0800 (PST) From: "EDLUND,MARK JAMES" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Christie's:Book of Commandments Thanks for the info, Ken. BTW, I always found the prices realized for London auctions to be interesting. I no longer subscribe to the London book auction catalogues of Sotheby's or Christie's, but one of them (or both of them) used to, and still maybe does, print the name of the buyer in the prices realized. It seemed like a majority of the lots were bought by Maggs or Quaritch. Mark Edlund On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Ken Sanders wrote: > The hammer price was $350,000. The buyer's premium (15%) added $41,000 to the > total. This was below their estimate of $400-$500,000. There were only two > bidders. Presumably, if the new owner wishes to be known as an owner of The Book > of Commandments, they will let it be known. > > Ken Sanders > > > > Ken Sanders wrote: > > > > > The Book of Commandments sold at Christie's a short while ago for $350,000. > > > > > > Ken Sanders > > > > Ken, > > > > Does that include the 10 % (I believe it is on that much) buyer's premium or > > was that the hammer price? > > > > Curt Bench > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > -- > Ken Sanders > Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA > 268 South 200 East > Salt Lake City UT 84111 > (801) 521-3819 > Fax: (801) 521-2606 > http://www.kensandersbooks.com > ken@dreamgarden.com > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 17:54:17 -0800 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] New prices This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C16490.8EB3C9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I notice that Dean Eborn has set a price of $695 for Selected Manifestations. Darn ... I should have bought dozens of them when I bought mine! What should this be priced at? He has it higher than the Heart to Heart book by $45. According to a mailing, he has numerous copies of each. Keith - I was out book scouting today and ran across a couple of gold rush books I wanted your opinion on. 1. The Gold Rush Letters by Lewis Osborn - 1967 $40 2. Gold Rush Diary; Thomas D. Clark - 1967 $35 3. 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body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 13:54:39 -0800 From: "Phil" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Figures of the Past I recently acquired a small book or pamphlet, "Joseph Smith The Prophet-Teacher" written by Brigham H. Roberts with an introduction by Sterling McMurrin. BHR quotes out of a book called "Figures of the Past" written by Josiah Quincy in relationship to Joseph Smith. I am interested in buying a first edition of this quoted work but when I do a search, I receive listings for Figures of the Past and Figures of the Past: From the Leaves of Old Journals. Are both of these titles one in the same? I believe this book was republished in 1926 and 1st published in 1883. Phil - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 16:00:56 -0700 From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Figures of the Past Phil: Here's what my fourth edition looks like. I don't have any information on earlier editions. Albert Quincy, Josiah. Figures of The Past; from the Leaves of Old Journals. Boston: Roberts Brothers, 1883. Fourth edition. 404 pages + 4 pages ads. (Contains chapter of 1844 visit with Joseph Smith at Nauvoo) - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:33:04 -0800 From: "Phil" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Figures of the Past Thanks. I suspected that the full name of the book included .....From the Leaves of Old Journals but wasn't sure. BTW how long is the article about the visit with Joseph Smith? -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 3:01 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Figures of the Past Phil: Here's what my fourth edition looks like. I don't have any information on earlier editions. Albert Quincy, Josiah. Figures of The Past; from the Leaves of Old Journals. Boston: Roberts Brothers, 1883. Fourth edition. 404 pages + 4 pages ads. (Contains chapter of 1844 visit with Joseph Smith at Nauvoo) - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 19:48:58 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Figures of the Past In a message dated 11/4/01 6:32:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, pbradford@earthlink.net writes: << BTW how long is the article about the visit with Joseph Smith? >> If you happen to own the Signature (Smith Research Associates) NEW MORMON STUDIES CD-ROM, that portion of the book is reproduced in a generic compilation near the end of the disk. I don't know how to tell you how to find it, given the way it appears under the heading of "Joseph Smith in Nauvoo," - probably a nightmare to search - but it is record #646692 if you watch the little window at lower left of your screen. Or, if that does not work, do a search within quotes as follows: "it is by no means improbable" You will get many hits, since there are many citations from this account in Conference Reports and the like, but you will eventually come to it. We all know the inspirational parts of this narrative. Here is a part you don't hear quoted so often in Sunday School . . . << I should not say quite all that struck me about Smith if I did not mention that he seemed to have a keen sense of the humorous aspects of his position. "It seems to me, General," I said, as he was driving us to the river, about sunset, "that you have too much power to be safely trusted to one man." "In your hands or that of any other person," was the reply, "so much power would, no doubt, be dangerous. I am the only man in the world whom it would be safe to trust with it. Remember, I am a prophet!" The last five words were spoken in a rich, comical aside, as if in hearty recognition of the ridiculous sound they might have in the ears of a Gentile. I asked him to test his powers by naming the successful candidate in the approaching presidential election. "Well, I will prophesy that John Tyler will not be the next president, for some things are possible and some things are probable; but Tyler's election is neither the one nor the other." We then went on to talk of politics. . . .>> - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 21:54:34 -0700 From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Figures of the Past Phil-the visit with Joseph Smith is at the end of the book, pages 376-400. Albert - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil" To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Figures of the Past > Thanks. I suspected that the full name of the book included .....From the > Leaves of Old Journals but wasn't sure. BTW how long is the article about > the visit with Joseph Smith? - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:57:04 -0700 From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Figures of the Past I have an 1883 edition of Quincy's Figures From The Past. .It's a third edition. Several printings occurred during that year. The sub title of the book is "From the leaves of old journals". 404pp. $75. Ken Sanders Phil wrote: > I recently acquired a small book or pamphlet, "Joseph Smith The > Prophet-Teacher" written by Brigham H. Roberts with an introduction by > Sterling McMurrin. BHR quotes out of a book called "Figures of the Past" > written by Josiah Quincy in relationship to Joseph Smith. I am interested > in buying a first edition of this quoted work but when I do a search, I > receive listings for Figures of the Past and Figures of the Past: From the > Leaves of Old Journals. Are both of these titles one in the same? I > believe this book was republished in 1926 and 1st published in 1883. > > Phil > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:29:10 -0800 From: "Phil" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Figures of the Past Ken Thank you for your reply but I didn't realize this was included on the NEW MORMON STUDIES CD-ROM. I primarily was interested in the text of the article relating to Joseph Smith. I have recently ordered this CD and think this will satisfy my curiosity. Phil -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sanders Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:57 AM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Figures of the Past I have an 1883 edition of Quincy's Figures From The Past. .It's a third edition. Several printings occurred during that year. The sub title of the book is "From the leaves of old journals". 404pp. $75. Ken Sanders Phil wrote: > I recently acquired a small book or pamphlet, "Joseph Smith The > Prophet-Teacher" written by Brigham H. Roberts with an introduction by > Sterling McMurrin. BHR quotes out of a book called "Figures of the Past" > written by Josiah Quincy in relationship to Joseph Smith. I am interested > in buying a first edition of this quoted work but when I do a search, I > receive listings for Figures of the Past and Figures of the Past: From the > Leaves of Old Journals. Are both of these titles one in the same? I > believe this book was republished in 1926 and 1st published in 1883. > > Phil > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:57:55 -0800 From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Sealed Portion of the Book of Jared vol. 1 I need to repent. I bought this book over a month ago and I have been telling Mormon's every where about this new book of scripture, but I forgot to tell my brothers and sisters on LDS-Bookshelf. This scripture gives us writing that were sealed with Moroni (or was it Nephi) and now for the first time a Prophet has revealed them to us. This Prophet (or maybe it's profit) has pictures of the Urim and Thummim and his scribes writing down these precious words from ancient tablets. He even has pictures of his scribes who must be wives(?) or followers. Incredibly he shows us pictures of the tablets! Our Prophet is from the RLDS persuasion, but I am sure he is no longer a member. This incredible piece of scripture was sold to me by my good friend Hugh McKell. I believe Hugh would never lead me astray and I have found great joy in this new scripture. I hope all of you go out and buy this new discovery. I am sure your joy will be as complete as mine. Joe (with one big smirk on his face) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ End of lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #934 ***********************************