Bancroft's Works

From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #945 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Thursday, September 5 2002 Volume 01 : Number 945 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:19:18 -0600 From: "Clark Goble" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Temple Dedication ___ Brian ___ | Is there nineteenth century historical precedent for the use | of white handkerchiefs as part of the Hosanna Shout? ___ That'S an interesting question since technically they are supposed to be symbolic of palm leaves (which were rather rare in 19th century northeastern America). I'm not even sure if the hosanna shout of a dedication was ever formally tied to the feast of the tabernacles, although one could assume that Joseph was aware of that holiday by the time of Nauvoo. The Hosanna shout itself takes place not only at dedications, but also during annointings. Myself and my counsellors met for the purpose of being anointed with holy oil; ...Then the Presidency proceeded to sanctify the oil, br. J. Smith Junr. first anointed his father pronouncing blessings upon him, then all the presidents beginning at the oldest rubbed their hand over his head & face which had been anointed, then br. J. prayed to the Lord to accept of the anointing and all the presidency with right hand uplifted to heaven said amen." Other anointings also took place in the same manner. Hosanna shout to the most high before dismissal. (Journal of Bishop Edward Partridge, 21 January 1836 among many others) The shout was done at Kirtland for sure, although that too might be tied to washings and annointings. There were handkerchiefs used at the SLC dedication in 1892 I know. I couldn't find anything about St. George or Manti using the handkerchiefs although they did have the Hosanna shout. I'll check Masonic sources later to see if there is a parallel there. (See http://www.signaturebooks.com/excerpts/set.htm ) - -- Clark Goble --- clark@lextek.com ----------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:56:53 -0700 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bancroft's Works This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C22070.4BBD0520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of anything written on how Bancroft pulled together the History of Utah volume of his "works?" My set of Bancroft's Works was originally purchased by Joseph S. Hunter of Parowan. I'm curious if he was a contributor. Also, a "pictorial edition" of the Utah volume was done in 1890. Were pictorial editions done of other volumes in this set? Keith - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C22070.4BBD0520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bancroft's Works

Does = anyone know of anything written on how Bancroft pulled together the = History of Utah volume of his “works?” My = set of = Bancroft’s Works was = originally purchased by Joseph S. Hunter of Parowan. = I’m curious if he was a contributor.

Also, = a “pictorial edition” of the Utah volume was = done in 1890. Were pictorial editions done of other volumes in = this set?

Keith

- ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C22070.4BBD0520-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 02:13:04 -0400 From: Kim Leavitt Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bancroft's Works This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_zroUv/LShBf+GgVwSUKs2A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bancroft's WorksDavid Whittaker's book, Mormon Americana, gives a fairly detailed description of the process on pp 94-97. - -- Kim Leavitt -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Keith Irwin Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:57 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bancroft's Works Does anyone know of anything written on how Bancroft pulled together the History of Utah volume of his "works?" My set of Bancroft's Works was originally purchased by Joseph S. Hunter of Parowan. I'm curious if he was a contributor. Also, a "pictorial edition" of the Utah volume was done in 1890. Were pictorial editions done of other volumes in this set? Keith - --Boundary_(ID_zroUv/LShBf+GgVwSUKs2A) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bancroft's Works

David Whittaker's book, Mormon Americana, gives a fairly detailed description of the process on pp 94-97.

-- Kim Leavitt

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From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Keith Irwin
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Does anyone know of anything written on how Bancroft pulled together the History of Utah volume of his “works?” My set of Bancroft’s Works was originally purchased by Joseph S. Hunter of Parowan. I’m curious if he was a contributor.

Also, a “pictorial edition” of the Utah volume was done in 1890. Were pictorial editions done of other volumes in this set?

Keith

- --Boundary_(ID_zroUv/LShBf+GgVwSUKs2A)-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:21:36 -0700 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bancroft's Works This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2235D.BCE9E110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Kim. I'll check it out. I also found a cite for George Elsworth, Hubert Howe Bancroft and the History of Utah, UHQ 22:2 pp 99-124. At one time UHQ was going to be on-line. Did this ever happen? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kim Leavitt Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:13 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bancroft's Works David Whittaker's book, Mormon Americana, gives a fairly detailed description of the process on pp 94-97. - -- Kim Leavitt -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Keith Irwin Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:57 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bancroft's Works Does anyone know of anything written on how Bancroft pulled together the History of Utah volume of his "works?" My set of Bancroft's Works was originally purchased by Joseph S. Hunter of Parowan. I'm curious if he was a contributor. Also, a "pictorial edition" of the Utah volume was done in 1890. Were pictorial editions done of other volumes in this set? Keith - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2235D.BCE9E110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bancroft's Works

Thanks, Kim. I’ll check = it out. I also found a cite for George Elsworth, Hubert Howe Bancroft = and the History of Utah, UHQ 22:2 pp 99-124. At one time UHQ was going = to be on-line. Did this ever happen?

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David = Whittaker's book, Mormon Americana, gives a fairly detailed description of the process on = pp 94-97.

-- Kim = Leavitt

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From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Keith Irwin
Sent: Sunday, June 30, = 2002 10:57 PM
To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bancroft's Works

Does = anyone know of anything written on how Bancroft pulled together the History of = Utah volume of his “works?” My = set of Bancroft’s Works was = originally purchased by Joseph S. Hunter of Parowan. I’m curious if he was a = contributor.

Also, a “pictorial = edition” of the Utah volume was done in 1890. Were pictorial editions done of = other volumes in this set?

Keith

- ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2235D.BCE9E110-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:47:22 -0500 From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] buy a book or two Been wondering what to do with those lottery winnings? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1747751671 - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:52:03 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Eborn Biblio/Price Gude 2nd Edition Does anyone have this in hardbound covers? I bought mine from Benchmark and notice that after page 810 (describing works of Parley P. Pratt), it jumps to 1171 and the section starting Z. There there are some ads and a page giving the advertising rates, then it goes to page 811. Were they all like this? Am I better off having this one, or try to get one that is paginated correctly. - --Steve - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 23:06:25 -0600 From: Hugh J. McKell Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The "Anti Mormon Tract" For all you poor dumb slobs who purchased a copy of this anti Mormon Tract, here's an unbiased report you will want to clip and save. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,405027525,00.html - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:18:14 -0700 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] The "Anti Mormon Tract" It would be interesting to go back to 1950 and see what the News had to say about Juanita Brooks book and compare it to Lythgoe's reaction to BOTP. I do know that they refused to run a review of the John D. Lee Journals that Brooks edited. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hugh J. McKell Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:06 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The "Anti Mormon Tract" For all you poor dumb slobs who purchased a copy of this anti Mormon Tract, here's an unbiased report you will want to clip and save. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,405027525,00.html - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:04:31 -0700 From: "Philip Bradford" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] The "Anti Mormon Tract" Hugh, I strongly disagree with calling TBOP an anti Mormon book. But listening to Will speak at MHA and at other times, he sounded like his mind was already made up as to the complicity of BY years before finishing the book. Perhaps he was too passionate in the years prior to his book being published in implicating Brigham Young directly to the massacre which alerted his critics to expect bias conclusions. I enjoy his writing and believe he feels he tried to be fair. Nevertheless, his many recent talks concerning the MMM made his conclusions too predictable without having the proverbial smoking gun he really needed to support his views. Would it have given his book more credibility if he had not tipped his hand and revealed many of his conclusions prematurely? IMO the book is a good read. It is interesting how the work of Juanita Brooks now finds respectability with many of the faithful when at the time of its release she worried about maintaining her membership. Phil It would be interesting to go back to 1950 and see what the News had to say about Juanita Brooks book and compare it to Lythgoe's reaction to BOTP. I do know that they refused to run a review of the John D. Lee Journals that Brooks edited. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hugh J. McKell Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:06 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The "Anti Mormon Tract" For all you poor dumb slobs who purchased a copy of this anti Mormon Tract, here's an unbiased report you will want to clip and save. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,405027525,00.html - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:32:17 -0700 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] The "Anti Mormon Tract" I think you make a good point, Phil. And one that many of Will's friends have pressed upon him without effect. His rhetoric gets the best of him and undermines his credibility before anyone ever reads his work. Unfortunately, it isn't going to change. I'm baffled that Lythgoe totally ignored the shortcomings in Bagley's book and instead substituted inflammatory misrepresentations and character assassination. I got an e-mail from Will who noted that the small brushfire the BOTP might have started would quickly die out were it not for the attempts of Lythgoe and others to put it out with gasoline. The New York Times is at work on a story about reaction to the book. Maybe while I'm on vacation later this month I'll try to codify my thoughts about BOTP but here are a few random observations: 1. I wish Will had spent more time on the various groups that joined and left the Fancher train as it made it's way through Utah. In particular, he needed to say more about the Missourians than he did. 2. The story of the "Gun the killed Joe Smith" seems to have early origins even if it was unfounded braggadocio. I thought it deserved more attention. 3. I thought that the killer discovery was not the Dimmick Huntington journal entry, but the fact that Eleanor McLean Pratt, Parley's widow, was the fourth person on the buckboard that Porter Rockwell drove to the Fourth of July celebration that Brigham Young orchestrated. The rhetoric at that event must have been a barnburner start to BY's resistance to the approaching army. 4. The final few paragraphs of the book constitute one of the most eloquent calls to repentance that I've ever read. Below is the letter I sent to the Dez News. We'll see if they think it fit to print. - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Irwin [mailto:irwinkw@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:41 PM To: 'letters@desnews.com' Subject: Lythgoe's Review of Bagley One can only wonder if Dennis Lythgoe's trashing of Will Bagley's new book on the Mountain Meadows Massacre rings any different than the Mormon response to Juanita Brooks 52 years earlier. Lythgoe would at least do well to get his facts straight. Contrary to Lythgoe's headline, Bagley did not compare Brigham Young to Hitler or Nixon but said that it was impossible to understand any of these historic figures without grasping the impact of the tragedies with which they were associated; something Mormon historians have failed to do. That Brigham Young lied early and lied often to lead a 19 year cover-up about this event is beyond debate. But Bagley makes clear that the evidence of the degree of Young's complicity in ordering the murders is open to interpretation and he carefully labels his own opinion about this at the very end of the book. That Lythgoe pins his hopes on the attorney who fought to suppress the Arrington papers at USU, to produce a more open, honest interpretation of the massacre speaks for itself. After reading Lythgoe's review, one has to wonder who has the ax to grind. Keith Irwin - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Philip Bradford Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 7:05 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] The "Anti Mormon Tract" Hugh, I strongly disagree with calling TBOP an anti Mormon book. But listening to Will speak at MHA and at other times, he sounded like his mind was already made up as to the complicity of BY years before finishing the book. Perhaps he was too passionate in the years prior to his book being published in implicating Brigham Young directly to the massacre which alerted his critics to expect bias conclusions. I enjoy his writing and believe he feels he tried to be fair. Nevertheless, his many recent talks concerning the MMM made his conclusions too predictable without having the proverbial smoking gun he really needed to support his views. Would it have given his book more credibility if he had not tipped his hand and revealed many of his conclusions prematurely? IMO the book is a good read. It is interesting how the work of Juanita Brooks now finds respectability with many of the faithful when at the time of its release she worried about maintaining her membership. Phil It would be interesting to go back to 1950 and see what the News had to say about Juanita Brooks book and compare it to Lythgoe's reaction to BOTP. I do know that they refused to run a review of the John D. Lee Journals that Brooks edited. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hugh J. McKell Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:06 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The "Anti Mormon Tract" For all you poor dumb slobs who purchased a copy of this anti Mormon Tract, here's an unbiased report you will want to clip and save. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,405027525,00.html - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:21:49 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] The "Anti Mormon Tract" Both Phil & Keith make excellent points. I have also heard Will for several years postulate about BY's involvement. I disagree with him, but the book certainly can't be catagorized as "Anti Mormon." The worst thing you can say about it is he draws faulty conclusions, imho. I have enjoyed Wills passion in relating some of the stories about MMM. He certainly is caught up in the subject. Too bad he wasn't a bit more objective in his analysis of the material. - --Steve - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:36:33 EDT From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The "Anti Mormon Tract" In a message dated 9/2/02 11:32:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, irwinkw@earthlink.net writes: << . . . the letter I sent to the Dez News. We'll see if they think it fit to print. >> And a superb letter it is, Keith. Thank you for sharing it with us. I hope we will not be its only audience! Rick Grunder - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:24:18 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] BOTP -- Amazon Review FWIW, there is one review of BOTP on Amazon: Laying the blame at Brigham's feet, August 15, 2002 Reviewer: Eric R. Johnson (see more about me) from El Cajon, CA United States For years the slaughter of the Fancher wagon train at Mountain Meadows in southern Utah has been a point of contention for the Mormon Church. Who is to blame? According to the official version of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mormon John D. Lee was the primary villain who, as the lone scapegoat, paid for his crime when he was executed in 1877. Although the massacre had been discussed in "anti-Mormon" books, it was a loyal Mormon by the name of Juanita Brooks who bravely penned "The Mountain Meadows Massacre" in 1950. Her book created a firestorm by giving credible reasons to believe that several Mormons in high positions were, in fact, responsible for the tragic event of September 11, 1857. Now a new book by historian Will Bagley is going to cause the Mormon Church even more consternation as he attempts to lay blame for the massacre directly at the feet of second LDS President Brigham Young. This was a theory privately held by Brooks, but she could not prove this at the time of her book. On page 363 Bagley writes, "A historian's professional and personal conclusions often differ, as was the case with Brooks' final assignment of responsibility for the massacre at Mountain Meadows. In the last revision of her book, she stressed the importance of Young's manipulation of the Indian leaders and the military orders placing 'each man where he was to do his duty.' She retained her original conclusion that the existing evidence did not prove that Brigham Young and George A. Smith specifically order the massacre, but it showed they 'set up social conditions that made it possible.' In a private letter to Roger B. Mathison of the University of Utah Library, she went much further: she had 'come to feel that Brigham Young was directly responsible for the tragedy.' John D. Lee, she believed, would make it to heaven before Brigham Young." Bagley states, "Claiming that Brigham Young had nothing to do with Mountain Meadows is akin to arguing that Abraham Lincoln had nothing to do with the Civil War" (p. 379). He discounts the vilification of the Arkansas immigrants/victims as nothing but lies perpetrated by the murderers themselves. Bagley recognizes the complicated events leading up to the tragic event, but he makes it clear that one cannot overlook the fact that this was an act to avenge the blood of Mormon apostle Parley P. Pratt who was killed in May of 1857 by the legal husband of his 12th wife, Eleanor McLean, in Arkansas. Bagley's "smoking gun" (?) is the journal of Dimick Huntington, a source never seen by Brooks. Huntington recorded a meeting that Young had with local Indians on September 1, 1857 where he agreed to give the emigrants' cattle to the Indians. Says Bagley, "He [Young] encouraged his Indian allies to attack the Fancher party to make clear to the nation the cost of war with the Mormons" (p. 379). Bagley's book is a must read for anyone who wants to get beyond the LDS Church spin on this very thorny issue. Mormon Church historian Richard Turley and his loyal band of researchers will be coming out next year with what will certainly look like a rebuttal to Bagley's conclusions. Regardless, "Blood of the Prophets" is sure to shake up many Mormons who for the first time will realize that it is quite possible their second president was responsible for the murders of 120 innocent men, women, and children. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:31:16 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] FW: Daniel Rector If you haven't heard yet..... - --Steve Mountain Fall Kills Former Sunstone Publisher Thursday, September 5, 2002 Daniel Rector BY KEVIN CANTERA THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE After Daniel Rector fell nearly 200 feet to his death Wednesday while hiking a beloved peak in Little Cottonwood Canyon, friends and family members dealt with their grief by focusing on his life. "He did it all. . . . He had a real passion for life," said his sister, Lucy Morey. "He was a family man and he loved to do anything outdoors." Rector left home at about 4:30 a.m. for a hike on Monte Cristo peak, north of Snowbird. He usually went early in the day so he could spend time after work with his family, Morey said. Rector, 46, was a seasoned hiker and knew the peak well, Morey said. He and friend Andrew McClain were traversing the ridge up to the 11,132-foot peak without ropes or other specialized equipment when Rector lost his footing and fell at about 6:45 a.m., said Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Peggy Faulkner. McClain ran down the slope and summoned help. A LifeFlight helicopter crew recovered Rector's body. He died of massive head injuries, Faulkner said. "They were both very experienced. They knew the risks," said Faulkner, adding that the peak is often attempted by free climbers. Rector is the son of Hartman Rector Jr., an emeritus member of the First Quorum of the Seventy of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. From 1986 to 1991, Daniel Rector was publisher of Sunstone magazine, an independent and often controversial periodical aimed at LDS intellectuals. "He had this pluck and self-confidence which was just incredible," said Elbert Peck, who was the editor under Rector and succeeded him as publisher. The last time Peck saw Rector was at the Sunstone Symposium in August. "He looked the best I have ever seen him in my life. He had an inner peace about him," Peck said. Rector leaves behind a wife and four children. kcantera@sltrib.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ End of lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #945 ***********************************