From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #946 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Friday, September 27 2002 Volume 01 : Number 946 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:34:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Carter Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] The "Anti Mormon Tract" - --- Philip Bradford wrote: > Hugh, > > I strongly disagree with calling TBOP an anti Mormon book. But > listening > to Will speak at MHA and at other times, he sounded like his > mind was > already made up as to the complicity of BY years before > finishing the > book. Perhaps he was too passionate in the years prior to his > book > being published in implicating Brigham Young directly to the > massacre > which alerted his critics to expect bias conclusions. I enjoy > his > writing and believe he feels he tried to be fair. > Nevertheless, his > many recent talks concerning the MMM made his conclusions too > predictable without having the proverbial smoking gun he > really needed > to support his views. Would it have given his book more > credibility if > he had not tipped his hand and revealed many of his > conclusions > prematurely? IMO the book is a good read. > Phil I've heard Will speak on different subjects in different venues and I don't think he will ever be non-passionate about what he researches and speaks about. The research for this book had been going on for a few years and his conclusions were probably formed at least 2 years ago and probably even longer ago. Getting a publisher and waiting for it to be published by Oklahoma has taken a long time. So while it may seem like he formed conclusions prematurely, it's probably just a perception caused by the long publishing process. We should still expect his critics and reviewers to focus on how his conclusions match up with the evidence he presents. I don't think the reviews would be any different if he had kept it a secret until the book showed up in bookstores. Wait until the "FARMS Review of Books" publishes a review. I wonder if it will top the 230 pages devoted to Quinn's "Magic World View" which was reviewed in 2000. Bob Carter (sorry to respond late to this thread, but my Yahoo account is being pounded with spam) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:25:36 -0600 From: hjmckell@xmission.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] The "Anti Mormon Tract" I think Will told me that Ron Esplin will be doing a review. I don't know if it is for FARMS but it should be very interesting..... Hugh Quoting Bob Carter : > > Wait until the "FARMS Review of Books" publishes a review. I > wonder if it will top the 230 pages devoted to Quinn's "Magic > World View" which was reviewed in 2000. > > Bob Carter > (sorry to respond late to this thread, but my Yahoo account is > being pounded with spam) - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:59:14 -0700 From: "Philip Bradford" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Sea Trek This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C25979.E2ABCCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Hartley recently gave a great presentation to the Miller-Eccles Study group explaining what he as an historian learned from his 59 day adventure last year. He was kind enough to send us more information about his experiences and observations which has been posted on the Miller-Eccles web site; http://www.mesg.tierranet.com/ Select "Recent Meeting Reports" and you'll find his article. Phil - ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C25979.E2ABCCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bill Hartley recently gave a great presentation to = the Miller-Eccles Study group explaining what he as an historian learned = from his 59 day adventure last year.  He was kind enough to send us more information about his experiences and observations which has been posted = on the Miller-Eccles web site; http://www.mesg.tierranet.com/  

 

Select “Recent Meeting Reports” and you’ll find his article.

 

Phil

 

- ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C25979.E2ABCCE0-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:01:49 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] New JS Book My wife read the following notice in Booklist, a magazine for libraries by the American Library Association. It is in the 9/1/2002 issue: Author: Remini, Robert V. Joseph Smith October 2002, 208n p., Viking/Lipper $19.95 ISBN: 0-670-03083-X Whatever one believes about the Book of Mormon--the true word of God to its adherents, an incredible fraud to skeptics--its recipient, Joseph Smith Jr. was one of the most successful religious figures in American history, as his legacy of the thriving Mormon Church attests. There's no one better informed to explain why then Remini, the preemient historian of the Age of Jackson. Meticulously eschewing judgements about the likeliness of Smith's claims, Remini provactaviely surveys the social ground in which they took such productive root.In the 1820's, the displacements of westward migration were percolating, accompanied by Christian revivalism of an ecstatically millenarian variety. Smith was, therefore, not considered unusual in experiencing revelations, but his were unique for their drama and for declaring all other churches false. Naturally, this angered designated apostates and partially explains, as Remini narrates the Prophet's and his followers' subsequent flights to Missorui and Illinois, the hostility of those outside the charismatic community. A masterful evenhanded precis that will engrose history and religion readers alike. - -- Gilbert Taylor YA/C: An Accessible biography for high-school religion and history studies, especially since Smith's teenage experience was crucial. HR (The above is a direct copy from the magazine notice). Sounds like an interesting book. Remini is an emeritus Professor of History from University of Illinois, Chicago. I wonder how this will stack up against the Donna Hill book and the forthcoming Bushman work. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:02:21 -0700 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] New LDS Title My wife read the following notice in Booklist, a magazine for libraries by the American Library Association. It is in the 9/1/2002 issue: Author: Remini, Robert V. Joseph Smith October 2002, 208n p., Viking/Lipper $19.95 ISBN: 0-670-03083-X Whatever one believes about the Book of Mormon--the true word of God to its adherents, an incredible fraud to skeptics--its recipient, Joseph Smith Jr. was one of the most successful religious figures in American history, as his legacy of the thriving Mormon Church attests. There's no one better informed to explain why then Remini, the preemient historian of the Age of Jackson. Meticulously eschewing judgements about the likeliness of Smith's claims, Remini provactaviely surveys the social ground in which they took such productive root.In the 1820's, the displacements of westward migration were percolating, accompanied by Christian revivalism of an ecstatically millenarian variety. Smith was, therefore, not considered unusual in experiencing revelations, but his were unique for their drama and for declaring all other churches false. Naturally, this angered designated apostates and partially explains, as Remini narrates the Prophet's and his followers' subsequent flights to Missorui and Illinois, the hostility of those outside the charismatic community. A masterful evenhanded precis that will engrose history and religion readers alike. - -- Gilbert Taylor YA/C: An Accessible biography for high-school religion and history studies, especially since Smith's teenage experience was crucial. HR (The above is a direct copy from the magazine notice). Sounds like an interesting book. Remini is an emeritus Professor of History from University of Illinois, Chicago. I wonder how this will stack up against the Donna Hill book and the forthcoming Bushman work. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:14:21 -0500 From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] New LDS Title ..Remini provactaviely surveys ... Where's the "word of the day" guy when you need him? Mick - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:34:39 -0500 From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] A few comments to stir discussion For about the past two months I have been following Mormon book auctions on ebay and deseret book fairly closely. It is evident that prices have taken quite a plunge, at least for the stuff that I see. Further, there seems to be a phenomenon where most stuff does not sell, due to what I believe are excessively high reserves. In essence, buyers seem less willing to pay the prices of a year or two ago, but many sellers have not lowered their reserves. I think that the market for some items, specifically hyper-moderns, might be even softer than people think. The problem is that many of us hold multiple copies of some items, which we bought with the idea of making a few bucks down the road. For example, who does not own multiple copies of Crawley's bibliography? I have heard a couple of items that might interest people: 1) The new Flake is at the publisher, per our own Dr. McKell. Sell your duplicate copies now, if you can. (I had two dupes which I sold a year or so ago.) I would imagine that someone will do a limited edition. Who knows, maybe there will even be multiple limited editions like there was for Crawleys book. (Kofford did one, Grandin did one, and I believe John Hajicek bought text blocks, which I assume he plans on binding someday.) 2) Per Tom Kimball, Signature is thinking of doing a new, annotated version of the Woodruff diaries. I hope they do, as I would like a set, but don't want to spend 2 to 3 k. However, work has not started on the project, and it is not clear if it will be done. Will Blood of the Prophets ever be collectible? My guess is that too many copies were printed for that to happen (5500). I think it will be like Todd Compton's book, In Sacred Loneliness. It is a great book, but not that collectible due to a large print run. It will be interesting to see what happens with the limited editions. BTW, many of you may not be aware of a "limited" that was done for Patrice Press. What they did was put a bookplate in the regular edition, numbered (total of 18) and signed by Bagley. I can't remember just what the plate said, and my copy (#2) is not readily accessible. Perhaps this will become a collecting curiosity, perhaps not. Well, I am off to the John Whitmer Historical Assn meeting in the morning. I will try to report any noteworthy book events. Happy book-hunting and reading to all, Mark Edlund - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:46:34 -0400 From: Frank Marotta Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A few comments to stir discussion Great post! Will Flake be in one volume or multiple volumes? Will the 'style' be the same? Any price information? Would write more, but short on time. Frank Marotta On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:34:39 -0500 "Edlund, Mark J" writes: > > For about the past two months I have been following Mormon book > auctions on ebay and deseret book fairly closely. It is evident > that prices have taken quite a plunge, at least for the stuff that I > see. Further, there seems to be a phenomenon where most stuff does > not sell, due to what I believe are excessively high reserves. In > essence, buyers seem less willing to pay the prices of a year or two > ago, but many sellers have not lowered their reserves. > > I think that the market for some items, specifically hyper-moderns, > might be even softer than people think. The problem is that many of > us hold multiple copies of some items, which we bought with the idea > of making a few bucks down the road. For example, who does not own > multiple copies of Crawley's bibliography? > > I have heard a couple of items that might interest people: > 1) The new Flake is at the publisher, per our own Dr. McKell. Sell > your duplicate copies now, if you can. (I had two dupes which I > sold a year or so ago.) I would imagine that someone will do a > limited edition. Who knows, maybe there will even be multiple > limited editions like there was for Crawleys book. (Kofford did > one, Grandin did one, and I believe John Hajicek bought text blocks, > which I assume he plans on binding someday.) > 2) Per Tom Kimball, Signature is thinking of doing a new, annotated > version of the Woodruff diaries. I hope they do, as I would like a > set, but don't want to spend 2 to 3 k. However, work has not > started on the project, and it is not clear if it will be done. > > Will Blood of the Prophets ever be collectible? My guess is that > too many copies were printed for that to happen (5500). I think it > will be like Todd Compton's book, In Sacred Loneliness. It is a > great book, but not that collectible due to a large print run. It > will be interesting to see what happens with the limited editions. > BTW, many of you may not be aware of a "limited" that was done for > Patrice Press. What they did was put a bookplate in the regular > edition, numbered (total of 18) and signed by Bagley. I can't > remember just what the plate said, and my copy (#2) is not readily > accessible. Perhaps this will become a collecting curiosity, > perhaps not. > > Well, I am off to the John Whitmer Historical Assn meeting in the > morning. I will try to report any noteworthy book events. > > Happy book-hunting and reading to all, > > Mark Edlund > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message > body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:41:28 -0400 From: Frank Marotta Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A few comments to stir discussion A comment on eBay prices. Since 1999 (when I started bidding on eBay), I have noted a summer price lull, where high bids are depressed generally (not absolutely) in the summer. Usually, there is a pick up after Labor Day, but it has not been as strong this year. Perhaps that is in part due to the doldrums of the economy. Also, since more and more people bid late (snipes and pseudosnipes), some auctions seem really down unless one looks at the post auction results. And it seems to me that less and less interesting material is being offered. Frank Marotta On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:34:39 -0500 "Edlund, Mark J" writes: > > For about the past two months I have been following Mormon book > auctions on ebay and deseret book fairly closely. It is evident > that prices have taken quite a plunge, at least for the stuff that I > see. Further, there seems to be a phenomenon where most stuff does > not sell, due to what I believe are excessively high reserves. In > essence, buyers seem less willing to pay the prices of a year or two > ago, but many sellers have not lowered their reserves. > > I think that the market for some items, specifically hyper-moderns, > might be even softer than people think. The problem is that many of > us hold multiple copies of some items, which we bought with the idea > of making a few bucks down the road. For example, who does not own > multiple copies of Crawley's bibliography? > > I have heard a couple of items that might interest people: > 1) The new Flake is at the publisher, per our own Dr. McKell. Sell > your duplicate copies now, if you can. (I had two dupes which I > sold a year or so ago.) I would imagine that someone will do a > limited edition. Who knows, maybe there will even be multiple > limited editions like there was for Crawleys book. (Kofford did > one, Grandin did one, and I believe John Hajicek bought text blocks, > which I assume he plans on binding someday.) > 2) Per Tom Kimball, Signature is thinking of doing a new, annotated > version of the Woodruff diaries. I hope they do, as I would like a > set, but don't want to spend 2 to 3 k. However, work has not > started on the project, and it is not clear if it will be done. > > Will Blood of the Prophets ever be collectible? My guess is that > too many copies were printed for that to happen (5500). I think it > will be like Todd Compton's book, In Sacred Loneliness. It is a > great book, but not that collectible due to a large print run. It > will be interesting to see what happens with the limited editions. > BTW, many of you may not be aware of a "limited" that was done for > Patrice Press. What they did was put a bookplate in the regular > edition, numbered (total of 18) and signed by Bagley. I can't > remember just what the plate said, and my copy (#2) is not readily > accessible. Perhaps this will become a collecting curiosity, > perhaps not. > > Well, I am off to the John Whitmer Historical Assn meeting in the > morning. I will try to report any noteworthy book events. > > Happy book-hunting and reading to all, > > Mark Edlund > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message > body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:32:37 -0500 From: "Mick Reasor" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A few comments to stir discussion My general sense is that ebay has been taken over by business sellers. = With one or two exceptions the great deals I got on everything from = musical instruments to the occasional book were from individuals. = Individuals are probably more willing to risk a low reserve to generate = interest, and less likely to know exactly what they've got. There appear = to be a whole lot of retail sales to sift through to find the morsel.=20 Another possible factor: About a year ago I had some vintage electronics on ebay that were being = bid up quite nicely in the last few hours and then suddenly all interest = disappeared. The auctions closed at 9 am September 11. =20 Mick - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:54:30 EDT From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A few comments to stir discussion In a message dated 9/26/02 10:33:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mreasor@it.cc.mn.us writes: << Another possible factor: About a year ago I had some vintage electronics on ebay that were being bid up quite nicely in the last few hours and then suddenly all interest disappeared. The auctions closed at 9 am September 11. >> Commiseration. I received a nice first-edition Book of Mormon to list for a friend late last summer, 2001. I had the description all prepared and ready to load onto my website on the morning of September 11. I had sold nearly identical examples of the book for the same price during the previous year and a half, each within 20-45 minutes, usually on the first phone call. My "9/11" Book of Mormon, on the other hand, took six months to sell (albeit for the same price as earlier examples). Rick Grunder - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:10:46 -0600 From: "Malcolm Vickery" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A few comments to stir discussion This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C26588.0AC5FBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone - Hugh has let me join this inner sanctum today - Thanks Hugh! Regarding Ebay... I think you're generally right here Frank. Last minute - (Or second!) bidders seem to take up the majority of the serious buyers on Ebay. To tell the truth, I don't blame them - inexperienced purchasers regularly click the prices up on auctions, faithfully replying to the "Outbid" notice that they receive with another bid. It must be pretty disheartening for new buyers to faithfully follow an auction for 7 or 10 days, bidding whenever they get outbid, only to get the "midnight assassin" coming in at 3 seconds to go and winning the item! Maybe that is why there are only a handful of serious, high end buyers on Ebay. I would prefer Ebay to have the Deseret Book Auctions policy of extending the auction if there is a last minute bid, but I tend to stay with Ebay because it does reach a wider audience. Summer is always bad for auctions - but I find the higher quality items - - $200.00 - $2500.00 always sell well at any time of the year. Very high end items always seem to sell erratically - probably because there is a limited amount of buyers on Ebay - and maybe after a while, they already own the readily available items - and the harder to find items (not necessarily the most expensive) come up very infrequently. Maybe that is why you feel that there is little for you to buy Frank! You already have it all!!! Ebay is a great place to generate new buyers, I have found some of my best long term (outside of Ebay) customers here - although there are many that come in strong for a few weeks, spending money like crazy and often paying way over the reserve on things - but they either learn very quickly to be a little more discerning, or else burn themselves and their Bank Accounts out before very long. I think now as Sotheby's and other "respectable" auction houses - (After the Hoffman Seminar I'm not so sure Sotheby's IS respectable) have decided to sell on Ebay - Ebay has risen in the estimation of many people. Whatever your feelings, Ebay is here to stay, and will be always a source of bargains for those diligent enough to search. It is also a wonderful tool for people that live outside of "Happy Valley" to purchase books that otherwise they might not readily find. Malcolm J. Vickery - Distinctive Books Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:41:28 -0400 From: Frank Marotta Reply-To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A few comments to stir discussion To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com A comment on eBay prices. Since 1999 (when I started bidding on eBay), I have noted a summer price lull, where high bids are depressed generally (not absolutely) in the summer. Usually, there is a pick up after Labor Day, but it has not been as strong this year. Perhaps that is in part due to the doldrums of the economy. Also, since more and more people bid late (snipes and pseudosnipes), some auctions seem really down unless one looks at the post auction results. And it seems to me that less and less interesting material is being offered. Frank Marotta - ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C26588.0AC5FBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Hi = everyone - Hugh has=20 let me join this inner sanctum today - Thanks Hugh!

Regarding=20 Ebay...

I think = you're=20 generally right here Frank.

Last = minute - (Or=20 second!) bidders seem to take up the majority of the serious buyers on = Ebay. To=20 tell the truth, I don't blame them - inexperienced purchasers regularly = click=20 the prices up on auctions, faithfully replying to the "Outbid" notice = that they=20 receive with another bid.

It must = be pretty=20 disheartening for new buyers to faithfully follow an auction for 7 or 10 = days,=20 bidding whenever they get outbid, only to get the "midnight assassin" = coming in=20 at 3 seconds to go and winning the item!

Maybe = that is why=20 there are only a handful of serious, high end buyers on = Ebay.

I would = prefer Ebay to=20 have the Deseret Book Auctions policy of extending the auction if there = is a=20 last minute bid, but I tend to stay with Ebay because it does reach a = wider=20 audience.

Summer = is always bad=20 for auctions - but I find the higher quality items - $200.00 - $2500.00 = always=20 sell well at any time of the year. Very high end items always seem to = sell=20 erratically - probably because there is a limited amount of buyers on = Ebay - and=20 maybe after a while, they already own the readily available items - and = the=20 harder to find items (not necessarily the most expensive) come up very=20 infrequently. Maybe that is why you feel that there is little for you to = buy=20 Frank! You already have it all!!!

Ebay is = a great place=20 to generate new buyers, I have found some of my best long term (outside = of Ebay)=20 customers here - although there are many that come in strong for a few = weeks,=20 spending money like crazy and often paying way over the reserve on = things - but=20 they either learn very quickly to be a little more discerning, or else = burn=20 themselves and their Bank Accounts out before very = long.

I think = now as=20 Sotheby's and other "respectable" auction houses - (After the Hoffman = Seminar=20 I'm not so sure Sotheby's IS respectable) have decided to sell on Ebay - = Ebay=20 has risen in the estimation of many people.

Whatever = your=20 feelings, Ebay is here to stay, and will be always a source of bargains = for=20 those diligent enough to search. It is also a wonderful tool for people = that=20 live outside of "Happy Valley" to purchase books that otherwise they = might not=20 readily find.

Malcolm = J. Vickery -=20 Distinctive Books

 

 

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:41:28 = - -0400

From: Frank Marotta=20 <fmarotta@juno.com>

Reply-To: = lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A few = comments to stir=20 discussion

To: = lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com

A comment on eBay prices. Since 1999 = (when I started=20 bidding on eBay), I have noted a summer price lull, where high bids are=20 depressed generally (not = absolutely) in=20 the summer. Usually, there is a pick up after Labor Day, but it has not been as strong = this year.=20 Perhaps that is in part due to the doldrums of the economy.

Also, since more and more people bid late = (snipes and=20 pseudosnipes), some auctions seem really down unless one looks at the = post=20 auction results.

And it seems to me that less and less = interesting=20 material is being offered. =

Frank = Marotta

- ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C26588.0AC5FBA0-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:20:55 -0600 From: hjmckell@xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A few comments to stir discussion I mus aplolgize to Malcolm. I thought I had subscribed him many moons ago! I thought he was just like the rest of the group and never spoke. Welcome to the list Malcolm. Hugh Quoting Malcolm Vickery : > Hi everyone - Hugh has let me join this inner sanctum today - Thanks > Hugh! > > Regarding Ebay... > > I think you're generally right here Frank. > > Last minute - (Or second!) bidders seem to take up the majority of the > serious buyers on Ebay. To tell the truth, I don't blame them - > inexperienced purchasers regularly click the prices up on auctions, > faithfully replying to the "Outbid" notice that they receive with > another bid. > > It must be pretty disheartening for new buyers to faithfully follow an > auction for 7 or 10 days, bidding whenever they get outbid, only to get > the "midnight assassin" coming in at 3 seconds to go and winning the > item! > > Maybe that is why there are only a handful of serious, high end buyers > on Ebay. > > I would prefer Ebay to have the Deseret Book Auctions policy of > extending the auction if there is a last minute bid, but I tend to stay > with Ebay because it does reach a wider audience. > > Summer is always bad for auctions - but I find the higher quality items > - $200.00 - $2500.00 always sell well at any time of the year. Very > high > end items always seem to sell erratically - probably because there is a > limited amount of buyers on Ebay - and maybe after a while, they > already > own the readily available items - and the harder to find items (not > necessarily the most expensive) come up very infrequently. Maybe that > is > why you feel that there is little for you to buy Frank! You already > have > it all!!! > > Ebay is a great place to generate new buyers, I have found some of my > best long term (outside of Ebay) customers here - although there are > many that come in strong for a few weeks, spending money like crazy and > often paying way over the reserve on things - but they either learn > very > quickly to be a little more discerning, or else burn themselves and > their Bank Accounts out before very long. > > I think now as Sotheby's and other "respectable" auction houses - > (After > the Hoffman Seminar I'm not so sure Sotheby's IS respectable) have > decided to sell on Ebay - Ebay has risen in the estimation of many > people. > > Whatever your feelings, Ebay is here to stay, and will be always a > source of bargains for those diligent enough to search. It is also a > wonderful tool for people that live outside of "Happy Valley" to > purchase books that otherwise they might not readily find. > > Malcolm J. Vickery - Distinctive Books > > > > > > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:41:28 -0400 > > From: Frank Marotta > > Reply-To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] A few comments to stir discussion > > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > > A comment on eBay prices. Since 1999 (when I started bidding on eBay), > I > have noted a summer price lull, where high bids are depressed generally > (not absolutely) in the summer. Usually, there is a pick up after Labor > Day, but it has not been as strong this year. Perhaps that is in part > due to the doldrums of the economy. > > Also, since more and more people bid late (snipes and pseudosnipes), > some auctions seem really down unless one looks at the post auction > results. > > And it seems to me that less and less interesting material is being > offered. > > Frank Marotta > > - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:19:47 -0600 From: Ken Sanders Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] More ebay - --------------682E03599EFB6A9311ACCD5A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re ebay. I'm not a big fan, I've mostly found it to be what I call the "lcd", lowest common denominator. See the email I received > > > regarding the Fawn Brodie Book of Mormon I put up on ebay below. > > > > We recently put up 20 items on ebay, mostly high end. It's the first time in a long time I've looked at or put up auctions. I'll let > > the list know how we do. The marketplace is very jittery right now, no question about it. I note by the led counter, the Fawn Brodie > > Book of Mormon has been viewed almost 400 times in three days! The email below is the only response I've had to it. I erased it > > without replying. > > > > Ken Sanders > > > > > > > > > > > > stngrphr@msn.com wrote: > > > > What a joke. You and I both know that > > > > because > > > > Fawn McKay Brodie owned it does not make it > > > > worth 65,000. In fact, > > > > it's obvious that you simply want the name Fawn > > > > McKay Brodie to be researched > > > > by someone who is unaware of who she is. > > > > Please.....can't you find > > > > a more intelligent way of spreading lies? > > > > -------------------- > > > > Question > > > > from: > > > > keesym > > > > Title of > > > > item: > > > > 1830 Book of Mormon Fawn McKay Brodie copy > > > > Seller: > > > > kenbook > > > > Starts: > > > > Sep-24-02 13:12:36 PDT > > > > Ends: > > > > Sep-27-02 13:12:36 PDT > > > > Price: > > > > Starts at $65,000.00 > > > > To view the item, go to:
> > > > > > href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949 > > > > > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online > > > > Marketplace TM at > > > href="http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ken Sanders > > > > Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA > > > > 268 South 200 East > > > > Salt Lake City UT 84111 > > > > (801) 521-3819 > > > > Fax: (801) 521-2606 > > > > > > > HREF="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com > > > > ken@dreamgarden.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Ken Sanders > > Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA > > 268 South 200 East > > Salt Lake City UT 84111 > > (801) 521-3819 > > Fax: (801) 521-2606 > > http://www.kensandersbooks.com > > ken@dreamgarden.com > > > > --------------F788F8561832A26CB09490C9 > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > > >
  > >
Re ebay.  I'm not a big fan, I've mostly found it to be what I > > call the "lcd", lowest common denominator.   See the email I > > received regarding the Fawn Brodie Book of Mormon I put up on ebay below.
> > > >


We recently put up 20 items on ebay, mostly high end.  It's > > the first time in a long time I've looked at or put up auctions.  > > I'll let the list know how we do.  The marketplace is very jittery > > right now, no question about it.  I note by the led counter, the Fawn > > Brodie Book of Mormon has been viewed almost 400 times in three days! The > > email below is the only response I've had to it. I erased it without replying. > >

Ken Sanders > >

  > >

> stngrphr@msn.com wrote: > >
> What a joke.  You and I both know that > >
> because > >
> Fawn McKay Brodie owned it does not make it > >
> worth 65,000.  In fact, > >
> it's obvious that you simply want the name Fawn > >
> McKay Brodie to be researched > >
> by someone who is unaware of who she is. > >
> Please.....can't you find > >
> a more intelligent way of spreading lies? > >
> -------------------- > >
> Question > >
> from: > >
> keesym > >
> Title of > >
> item: > >
> 1830 Book of Mormon Fawn McKay Brodie copy > >
> Seller: > >
> kenbook > >
> Starts: > >
> Sep-24-02 13:12:36 PDT > >
> Ends: > >
> Sep-27-02 13:12:36 PDT > >
> Price: > >
> Starts at $65,000.00 > >
> To view the item, go to: <a > >
> > >
href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&>
> Visit eBay, The World's Online > >
> Marketplace TM at <a > >
> href="
http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</a> > >
> > >
> -- > >
> Ken Sanders > >
> Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA > >
> 268 South 200 East > >
> Salt Lake City UT 84111 > >
> (801) 521-3819 > >
> Fax: (801) 521-2606 > >
> <A > >
> HREF="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</A> > >
> ken@dreamgarden.com > >
>

> > > >

-- > >
Ken Sanders > >
Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA > >
268 South 200 East > >
Salt Lake City UT 84111 > >
(801) 521-3819 > >
Fax: (801) 521-2606 > >
http://www.kensandersbooks.com > >
ken@dreamgarden.com > >
  > > > > --------------F788F8561832A26CB09490C9-- > > -- > Ken Sanders > Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA > 268 South 200 East > Salt Lake City UT 84111 > (801) 521-3819 > Fax: (801) 521-2606 > http://www.kensandersbooks.com > ken@dreamgarden.com > > --------------6EF10486917134C12481FB7C > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > >

  >
  >

> >
> Re ebay.  I'm not a big fan, I've mostly found it to be what > I call the "lcd", lowest common denominator.   See the email > I received >
> regarding the Fawn Brodie Book of Mormon I put up on ebay below. >

We recently put up 20 items on ebay, mostly high end.  It's the > first time in a long time I've looked at or put up auctions.  I'll > let >
the list know how we do.  The marketplace is very jittery right > now, no question about it.  I note by the led counter, the Fawn Brodie >
Book of Mormon has been viewed almost 400 times in three days! The > email below is the only response I've had to it. I erased it >
without replying. >

Ken Sanders >

> >
> >
> > stngrphr@msn.com wrote: >
> > What a joke.  You and I both know that >
> > because >
> > Fawn McKay Brodie owned it does not make it >
> > worth 65,000.  In fact, >
> > it's obvious that you simply want the name Fawn >
> > McKay Brodie to be researched >
> > by someone who is unaware of who she is. >
> > Please.....can't you find >
> > a more intelligent way of spreading lies? >
> > -------------------- >
> > Question >
> > from: >
> > keesym >
> > Title of >
> > item: >
> > 1830 Book of Mormon Fawn McKay Brodie copy >
> > Seller: >
> > kenbook >
> > Starts: >
> > Sep-24-02 13:12:36 PDT >
> > Ends: >
> > Sep-27-02 13:12:36 PDT >
> > Price: >
> > Starts at $65,000.00 >
> > To view the item, go to: <a >
> > >
> href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827
> > >
> > Visit eBay, The World's Online >
> > Marketplace TM at <a >
> > href="
http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</a> >
> > >
> > -- >
> > Ken Sanders >
> > Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA >
> > 268 South 200 East >
> > Salt Lake City UT 84111 >
> > (801) 521-3819 >
> > Fax: (801) 521-2606 >
> > <A >
> > HREF="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</A> >
> > ken@dreamgarden.com >
> > >

-- >
Ken Sanders >
Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA >
268 South 200 East >
Salt Lake City UT 84111 >
(801) 521-3819 >
Fax: (801) 521-2606 >
http://www.kensandersbooks.com >
ken@dreamgarden.com >

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<br>Re ebay.&nbsp; I'm not a big fan, I've mostly found it to > be what I >
call the "lcd", lowest common denominator.&nbsp;&nbsp; See > the email I >
received regarding the Fawn Brodie Book of Mormon I put up on ebay > below.</blockquote> >

<p><br>We recently put up 20 items on ebay, mostly high end.&nbsp; > It's >
the first time in a long time I've looked at or put up auctions.&nbsp; >
I'll let the list know how we do.&nbsp; The marketplace is very > jittery >
right now, no question about it.&nbsp; I note by the led counter, > the Fawn >
Brodie Book of Mormon has been viewed almost 400 times in three days! > The >
email below is the only response I've had to it. I erased it without > replying. >
<p>Ken Sanders >
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp; >
<p>> stngrphr@msn.com wrote: >
<br>> What a joke.&nbsp; You and I both know that >
<br>> because >
<br>> Fawn McKay Brodie owned it does not make it >
<br>> worth 65,000.&nbsp; In fact, >
<br>> it's obvious that you simply want the name Fawn >
<br>> McKay Brodie to be researched >
<br>> by someone who is unaware of who she is. >
<br>> Please.....can't you find >
<br>> a more intelligent way of spreading lies? >
<br>> -------------------- >
<br>> Question >
<br>> from: >
<br>> keesym >
<br>> Title of >
<br>> item: >
<br>> 1830 Book of Mormon Fawn McKay Brodie copy >
<br>> Seller: >
<br>> kenbook >
<br>> Starts: >
<br>> Sep-24-02 13:12:36 PDT >
<br>> Ends: >
<br>> Sep-27-02 13:12:36 PDT >
<br>> Price: >
<br>> Starts at $65,000.00 >
<br>> To view the item, go to: &lt;a >
<br>> >
<br>href="<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item65827949href=" href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item658279<br>
href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949"><br>> > Visit eBay, The World's Online >
<br>> > Marketplace TM at &lt;a >
<br>> > href="<a href="http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</a>"><a > href="http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</a>&lt;/a> >
<br>> >
<br>> -- >
<br>> Ken Sanders >
<br>> Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA >
<br>> 268 South 200 East >
<br>> Salt Lake City UT 84111 >
<br>> (801) 521-3819 >
<br>> Fax: (801) 521-2606 >
<br>> &lt;A >
<br>> HREF="<a href="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</a>"><a > href="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</a>&lt;/A> >
<br>> ken@dreamgarden.com >
<br>></blockquote> >

<p>-- >
<br>Ken Sanders >
<br>Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA >
<br>268 South 200 East >
<br>Salt Lake City UT 84111 >
<br>(801) 521-3819 >
<br>Fax: (801) 521-2606 >
<br><A HREF="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</A> >
<br>ken@dreamgarden.com >
<br>&nbsp;</html> >

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-- >
Ken Sanders >
Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA >
268 South 200 East >
Salt Lake City UT 84111 >
(801) 521-3819 >
Fax: (801) 521-2606 >
http://www.kensandersbooks.com >
ken@dreamgarden.com >
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>
>
>
> >
> > Re ebay.  I'm not a big fan, I've mostly found it to be what I call the "lcd", lowest common denominator.   See the email I received
> > regarding the Fawn Brodie Book of Mormon I put up on ebay below.
>
> We recently put up 20 items on ebay, mostly high end.  It's the first time in a long time I've looked at or put up auctions.  I'll let
> the list know how we do.  The marketplace is very jittery right now, no question about it.  I note by the led counter, the Fawn Brodie
> Book of Mormon has been viewed almost 400 times in three days! The email below is the only response I've had to it. I erased it
> without replying.
>
> Ken Sanders
>
> >
> >
> > > stngrphr@msn.com wrote:
> > > What a joke.  You and I both know that
> > > because
> > > Fawn McKay Brodie owned it does not make it
> > > worth 65,000.  In fact,
> > > it's obvious that you simply want the name Fawn
> > > McKay Brodie to be researched
> > > by someone who is unaware of who she is.
> > > Please.....can't you find
> > > a more intelligent way of spreading lies?
> > > --------------------
> > > Question
> > > from:
> > > keesym
> > > Title of
> > > item:
> > > 1830 Book of Mormon Fawn McKay Brodie copy
> > > Seller:
> > > kenbook
> > > Starts:
> > > Sep-24-02 13:12:36 PDT
> > > Ends:
> > > Sep-27-02 13:12:36 PDT
> > > Price:
> > > Starts at $65,000.00
> > > To view the item, go to: <a
> > >
> > href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949</a>
> > >
> > > Visit eBay, The World's Online
> > > Marketplace TM at <a
> > > href="http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</a>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ken Sanders
> > > Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA
> > > 268 South 200 East
> > > Salt Lake City UT 84111
> > > (801) 521-3819
> > > Fax: (801) 521-2606
> > > <A
> > > HREF="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</A>
> > > ken@dreamgarden.com
> > >
>
> --
> Ken Sanders
> Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA
> 268 South 200 East
> Salt Lake City UT 84111
> (801) 521-3819
> Fax: (801) 521-2606
> http://www.kensandersbooks.com
> ken@dreamgarden.com
>
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> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
> <br>Re ebay.&nbsp; I'm not a big fan, I've mostly found it to be what I
> call the "lcd", lowest common denominator.&nbsp;&nbsp; See the email I
> received regarding the Fawn Brodie Book of Mormon I put up on ebay below.</blockquote>
>
> <p><br>We recently put up 20 items on ebay, mostly high end.&nbsp; It's
> the first time in a long time I've looked at or put up auctions.&nbsp;
> I'll let the list know how we do.&nbsp; The marketplace is very jittery
> right now, no question about it.&nbsp; I note by the led counter, the Fawn
> Brodie Book of Mormon has been viewed almost 400 times in three days! The
> email below is the only response I've had to it. I erased it without replying.
> <p>Ken Sanders
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
> <p>> stngrphr@msn.com wrote:
> <br>> What a joke.&nbsp; You and I both know that
> <br>> because
> <br>> Fawn McKay Brodie owned it does not make it
> <br>> worth 65,000.&nbsp; In fact,
> <br>> it's obvious that you simply want the name Fawn
> <br>> McKay Brodie to be researched
> <br>> by someone who is unaware of who she is.
> <br>> Please.....can't you find
> <br>> a more intelligent way of spreading lies?
> <br>> --------------------
> <br>> Question
> <br>> from:
> <br>> keesym
> <br>> Title of
> <br>> item:
> <br>> 1830 Book of Mormon Fawn McKay Brodie copy
> <br>> Seller:
> <br>> kenbook
> <br>> Starts:
> <br>> Sep-24-02 13:12:36 PDT
> <br>> Ends:
> <br>> Sep-27-02 13:12:36 PDT
> <br>> Price:
> <br>> Starts at $65,000.00
> <br>> To view the item, go to: &lt;a
> <br>>
> <br>href="<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item65827949</a>"><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&> <br>> Visit eBay, The World's Online
> <br>> Marketplace TM at &lt;a
> <br>> href="<a href="http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</a>"><a href="http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</a>&lt;/a>
> <br>>
> <br>> --
> <br>> Ken Sanders
> <br>> Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA
> <br>> 268 South 200 East
> <br>> Salt Lake City UT 84111
> <br>> (801) 521-3819
> <br>> Fax: (801) 521-2606
> <br>> &lt;A
> <br>> HREF="<a href="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</a>"><a href="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</a>&lt;/A>
> <br>> ken@dreamgarden.com
> <br>></blockquote>
>
> <p>--
> <br>Ken Sanders
> <br>Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA
> <br>268 South 200 East
> <br>Salt Lake City UT 84111
> <br>(801) 521-3819
> <br>Fax: (801) 521-2606
> <br><A HREF="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</A>
> <br>ken@dreamgarden.com
> <br>&nbsp;</html>
>
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Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA
268 South 200 East
Salt Lake City UT 84111
(801) 521-3819
Fax: (801) 521-2606
http://www.kensandersbooks.com
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<br>&nbsp;
<p>>
<br>> Re ebay.&nbsp; I'm not a big fan, I've mostly found it to be what
I call the "lcd", lowest common denominator.&nbsp;&nbsp; See the email
I received
<br>> regarding the Fawn Brodie Book of Mormon I put up on ebay below.
<p>We recently put up 20 items on ebay, mostly high end.&nbsp; It's the
first time in a long time I've looked at or put up auctions.&nbsp; I'll
let
<br>the list know how we do.&nbsp; The marketplace is very jittery right
now, no question about it.&nbsp; I note by the led counter, the Fawn Brodie
<br>Book of Mormon has been viewed almost 400 times in three days! The
email below is the only response I've had to it. I erased it
<br>without replying.
<p>Ken Sanders
<p>>
<br>>
<br>> > stngrphr@msn.com wrote:
<br>> > What a joke.&nbsp; You and I both know that
<br>> > because
<br>> > Fawn McKay Brodie owned it does not make it
<br>> > worth 65,000.&nbsp; In fact,
<br>> > it's obvious that you simply want the name Fawn
<br>> > McKay Brodie to be researched
<br>> > by someone who is unaware of who she is.
<br>> > Please.....can't you find
<br>> > a more intelligent way of spreading lies?
<br>> > --------------------
<br>> > Question
<br>> > from:
<br>> > keesym
<br>> > Title of
<br>> > item:
<br>> > 1830 Book of Mormon Fawn McKay Brodie copy
<br>> > Seller:
<br>> > kenbook
<br>> > Starts:
<br>> > Sep-24-02 13:12:36 PDT
<br>> > Ends:
<br>> > Sep-27-02 13:12:36 PDT
<br>> > Price:
<br>> > Starts at $65,000.00
<br>> > To view the item, go to: &lt;a
<br>> >
<br>> href="<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item65827949</a>"><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item65827<br>> >
<br>> > Visit eBay, The World's Online
<br>> > Marketplace TM at &lt;a
<br>> > href="<a href="http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</a>"><a href="http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</a>&lt;/a>
<br>> >
<br>> > --
<br>> > Ken Sanders
<br>> > Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA
<br>> > 268 South 200 East
<br>> > Salt Lake City UT 84111
<br>> > (801) 521-3819
<br>> > Fax: (801) 521-2606
<br>> > &lt;A
<br>> > HREF="<a href="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</a>"><a href="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</a>&lt;/A>
<br>> > ken@dreamgarden.com
<br>> >
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<br>Ken Sanders
<br>Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA
<br>268 South 200 East
<br>Salt Lake City UT 84111
<br>(801) 521-3819
<br>Fax: (801) 521-2606
<br><a href="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</a>
<br>ken@dreamgarden.com
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<br>&lt;br>Re ebay.&amp;nbsp; I'm not a big fan, I've mostly found it to
be what I
<br>call the "lcd", lowest common denominator.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; See
the email I
<br>received regarding the Fawn Brodie Book of Mormon I put up on ebay
below.&lt;/blockquote>
<p>&lt;p>&lt;br>We recently put up 20 items on ebay, mostly high end.&amp;nbsp;
It's
<br>the first time in a long time I've looked at or put up auctions.&amp;nbsp;
<br>I'll let the list know how we do.&amp;nbsp; The marketplace is very
jittery
<br>right now, no question about it.&amp;nbsp; I note by the led counter,
the Fawn
<br>Brodie Book of Mormon has been viewed almost 400 times in three days!
The
<br>email below is the only response I've had to it. I erased it without
replying.
<br>&lt;p>Ken Sanders
<br>&lt;blockquote TYPE=CITE>&amp;nbsp;
<br>&lt;p>> stngrphr@msn.com wrote:
<br>&lt;br>> What a joke.&amp;nbsp; You and I both know that
<br>&lt;br>> because
<br>&lt;br>> Fawn McKay Brodie owned it does not make it
<br>&lt;br>> worth 65,000.&amp;nbsp; In fact,
<br>&lt;br>> it's obvious that you simply want the name Fawn
<br>&lt;br>> McKay Brodie to be researched
<br>&lt;br>> by someone who is unaware of who she is.
<br>&lt;br>> Please.....can't you find
<br>&lt;br>> a more intelligent way of spreading lies?
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<br>&lt;br>> Question
<br>&lt;br>> from:
<br>&lt;br>> keesym
<br>&lt;br>> Title of
<br>&lt;br>> item:
<br>&lt;br>> 1830 Book of Mormon Fawn McKay Brodie copy
<br>&lt;br>> Seller:
<br>&lt;br>> kenbook
<br>&lt;br>> Starts:
<br>&lt;br>> Sep-24-02 13:12:36 PDT
<br>&lt;br>> Ends:
<br>&lt;br>> Sep-27-02 13:12:36 PDT
<br>&lt;br>> Price:
<br>&lt;br>> Starts at $65,000.00
<br>&lt;br>> To view the item, go to: &amp;lt;a
<br>&lt;br>>
<br>&lt;br>href="&lt;a href="<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item65827949</a>"><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;amp;item65827949href="<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item65827949</a>"><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item65827949">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;amp;item658279&lt;br><br><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item65827949">&lt;br>>
Visit eBay, The World's Online</a>
<br><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item65827949">&lt;br>>
Marketplace TM at &amp;lt;a</a>
<br><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item65827949">&lt;br>>
href="&lt;a href="</a><a href="http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</a>"><a href="http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</a>&lt;/a>">&lt;a
href="<a href="http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</a>"><a href="http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</a>&lt;/a>&amp;lt;/a>
<br>&lt;br>>
<br>&lt;br>> --
<br>&lt;br>> Ken Sanders
<br>&lt;br>> Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA
<br>&lt;br>> 268 South 200 East
<br>&lt;br>> Salt Lake City UT 84111
<br>&lt;br>> (801) 521-3819
<br>&lt;br>> Fax: (801) 521-2606
<br>&lt;br>> &amp;lt;A
<br>&lt;br>> HREF="&lt;a href="<a href="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</a>"><a href="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</a>&lt;/a>">&lt;a
href="<a href="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</a>"><a href="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</a>&lt;/a>&amp;lt;/A>
<br>&lt;br>> ken@dreamgarden.com
<br>&lt;br>>&lt;/blockquote>
<p>&lt;p>--
<br>&lt;br>Ken Sanders
<br>&lt;br>Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA
<br>&lt;br>268 South 200 East
<br>&lt;br>Salt Lake City UT 84111
<br>&lt;br>(801) 521-3819
<br>&lt;br>Fax: (801) 521-2606
<br>&lt;br>&lt;A HREF="<a href="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</a>"><a href="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</a>&lt;/A>
<br>&lt;br>ken@dreamgarden.com
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<br>Ken Sanders
<br>Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA
<br>268 South 200 East
<br>Salt Lake City UT 84111
<br>(801) 521-3819
<br>Fax: (801) 521-2606
<br><A HREF="http://www.kensandersbooks.com">http://www.kensandersbooks.com</A>
<br>ken@dreamgarden.com
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Ken Sanders
Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA
268 South 200 East
Salt Lake City UT 84111
(801) 521-3819
Fax: (801) 521-2606
http://www.kensandersbooks.com
ken@dreamgarden.com
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