From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #948 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Sunday, October 20 2002 Volume 01 : Number 948 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:08:03 -0600 From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] How would you price this? Mark, I've seen the 20 copies of the BOM, definitely not apocryphal. Ken Sanders. "Edlund, Mark J" wrote: > Malcolm mentions an interesting phenomenon among Mormon collectors, the penchant for collecting multiple copies of the 1st edition Book of Mormon. I have heard several other dealers mention collectors with 5 to 10 copies, so it seems that are at least several individuals who collect in this manner. I even heard tale of one collector with 20 copies of the 1830 BOM, although surely this must be apocryphal. > > This is a practice I don't understand. I have generally tried to follow the admonition of the great collector ED Graff, who said he only had one copy of each book, so that others could have the pleasure also of obtaining a given title. However, my following of this tenet is perhaps more a reflection of my budget than my altruism. > > Nevertheless, my question is, why own multiple copies? > > It may be that some people are not collecting BOMS, but rather investing in them. Reviewing some pertinent facts makes this phenomenon even more interesting. Perhaps most importantly, the BOM has historically been a poor investment. From the early 1980's to the early to mid 1990's the BOM about doubled in value. During this time, the Dow Jones went up by approximately a factor of four or five. Nevertheless, in the early to mid 1990's was when, as far as I can tell, people started buying multiple copies, even though up to that time the BOM had been a poor investment. > > My belief is that the buying of multiple copies is what spurred the fantastic rise in price of the BOM, at least in part. Over the course of approximately 8 years the price went up about 10 fold,and it is hard for me to believe that this was due to dozens of new people entering the market, buying only a single copy. (Interestingly, if this pace continues for 80 to 90 years a BOM could be worth more than the combined output of the world economy during a given year.) > > Anyway, it is interesting phenomenon. > > Mark Edlund > > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm Vickery > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Sent: 9/30/2002 12:35 PM > Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] How would you price this? > > Not sure what the attraction is... Except it is as hard as hens teeth to > find! > > Is it important?? Possibly not as a printed book. But, from Flake it > seems as though the 1860's were the real low period (outside the 1830's) > in LDS printing and publishing. I know of collector's who just collect > the 1860's because of the challenge it produces! The D/C's from this > period are as difficult at the 1866 Book of Mormon, but because there > aren't as many D/C collectors, they don't seem to command the same level > of prices. > > I find that folks that are collecting different editions of the Book of > Mormon rarely have this one in their collection. > > One collector has 5 first editions - as well as excellent copies of the > all the other 19th Century editions - but... No 1866! > > I've only ever had a couple - and I didn't hang on to them long enough > to enjoy them! > > Folks say that the 1842 is rare - But I see about ten of them to every > 1866 I see!! > > I wonder if anybody knows how many were printed?? > > Ummmm... Any out there for sale???? > > Malcolm J. Vickery > Distinctive Books > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hugh Stocks > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:21 AM > To: Malcolm Vickery; lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] How would you price this? > > Hmmm. Maybe I'm just having a Monday morning senior moment, but > what's the interest in the 1866 Book of Mormon? It's the end of the > line for British-printed books until 1879, but pretty unremarkable as > far > as I can see. Of course there are at least two impressions, but > still.... > > On 30 Sep 2002 at 10:41, Malcolm Vickery stepped forward > and addressed "RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] How would you p": > > > Off the top of my head - One's I get asked about lots... > > > > Newer Books:- > > Wilford Woodruff's Journals, > > On the Potter's Wheel, > > Watson's 2 Volumes of Manuscript History Brigham Young, > > > > Older Books:- > > 1866 Book of Mormon, > > Northern Utah Southern Idaho - Tullidge, > > Volumes 1 - 4 Millennial Star, > > Volumes 1 - 3 Times and Seasons. > > > > I'm sure there are many others if I just think... But it's hard on a > > Monday morning! > > > > Malcolm J. Vickery > > Distinctive Books > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ROY > > SCHMIDT Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:30 AM To: > > lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] How > > would you price this? > > > > > > Thanks, Ken. > > > > Another question, please. I was in Benchmark on Saturday, and was told > > > the longest waiting list books, are Studies in Scriptures, Vol. 2, and > > > the Journal of Discourses? > > > > Ken, Rick, Mark, others: which books currently have the longest wait? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Roy > > > > >>> ken@dreamgarden.com 09/30/02 10:11AM >>> > > $200 and $100 respectively. > > > > ROY SCHMIDT wrote: > > > > > I have a copy of Gordon B. Hinckley's book _What of the Mormon's?_. > > It > > > is in very good condition, with a good to very good dj. What makes > > it > > > interesting is that it is signed by GBH as well as George Albert > > > Smith, and GAS, Jr. It was presented to an official at Princeton, > > > where, I believe GAS, Jr. was employed. > > > > > > What would you think would be the fair market value of this item? > > It > > > is not for sale, but it would be helpful for inventory purposes. > > > > > > Another item is Ezra Taft Benson's _Freedom to Farm_. It is signed > > by > > > him and inscribed to Harold Stassen. How would you price this? > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Roy Schmidt > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - > > > "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message > > body. > > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > -- > > Ken Sanders > > Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA > > 268 South 200 East > > Salt Lake City UT 84111 > > (801) 521-3819 > > Fax: (801) 521-2606 > > http://www.kensandersbooks.com > > ken@dreamgarden.com > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message > > body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > -- > Hugh Stocks > hstocks@vii.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:34:49 -0500 From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] How would you price this? ken, Over what time period did he or she amass the copies, and why? Mark - -----Original Message----- From: Ken Sanders To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Sent: 10/1/2002 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] How would you price this? Mark, I've seen the 20 copies of the BOM, definitely not apocryphal. Ken Sanders. "Edlund, Mark J" wrote: > Malcolm mentions an interesting phenomenon among Mormon collectors, the penchant for collecting multiple copies of the 1st edition Book of Mormon. I have heard several other dealers mention collectors with 5 to 10 copies, so it seems that are at least several individuals who collect in this manner. I even heard tale of one collector with 20 copies of the 1830 BOM, although surely this must be apocryphal. > > This is a practice I don't understand. I have generally tried to follow the admonition of the great collector ED Graff, who said he only had one copy of each book, so that others could have the pleasure also of obtaining a given title. However, my following of this tenet is perhaps more a reflection of my budget than my altruism. > > Nevertheless, my question is, why own multiple copies? > > It may be that some people are not collecting BOMS, but rather investing in them. Reviewing some pertinent facts makes this phenomenon even more interesting. Perhaps most importantly, the BOM has historically been a poor investment. From the early 1980's to the early to mid 1990's the BOM about doubled in value. During this time, the Dow Jones went up by approximately a factor of four or five. Nevertheless, in the early to mid 1990's was when, as far as I can tell, people started buying multiple copies, even though up to that time the BOM had been a poor investment. > > My belief is that the buying of multiple copies is what spurred the fantastic rise in price of the BOM, at least in part. Over the course of approximately 8 years the price went up about 10 fold,and it is hard for me to believe that this was due to dozens of new people entering the market, buying only a single copy. (Interestingly, if this pace continues for 80 to 90 years a BOM could be worth more than the combined output of the world economy during a given year.) > > Anyway, it is interesting phenomenon. > > Mark Edlund > > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm Vickery > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Sent: 9/30/2002 12:35 PM > Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] How would you price this? > > Not sure what the attraction is... Except it is as hard as hens teeth to > find! > > Is it important?? Possibly not as a printed book. But, from Flake it > seems as though the 1860's were the real low period (outside the 1830's) > in LDS printing and publishing. I know of collector's who just collect > the 1860's because of the challenge it produces! The D/C's from this > period are as difficult at the 1866 Book of Mormon, but because there > aren't as many D/C collectors, they don't seem to command the same level > of prices. > > I find that folks that are collecting different editions of the Book of > Mormon rarely have this one in their collection. > > One collector has 5 first editions - as well as excellent copies of the > all the other 19th Century editions - but... No 1866! > > I've only ever had a couple - and I didn't hang on to them long enough > to enjoy them! > > Folks say that the 1842 is rare - But I see about ten of them to every > 1866 I see!! > > I wonder if anybody knows how many were printed?? > > Ummmm... Any out there for sale???? > > Malcolm J. Vickery > Distinctive Books > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hugh Stocks > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:21 AM > To: Malcolm Vickery; lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] How would you price this? > > Hmmm. Maybe I'm just having a Monday morning senior moment, but > what's the interest in the 1866 Book of Mormon? It's the end of the > line for British-printed books until 1879, but pretty unremarkable as > far > as I can see. Of course there are at least two impressions, but > still.... > > On 30 Sep 2002 at 10:41, Malcolm Vickery stepped forward > and addressed "RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] How would you p": > > > Off the top of my head - One's I get asked about lots... > > > > Newer Books:- > > Wilford Woodruff's Journals, > > On the Potter's Wheel, > > Watson's 2 Volumes of Manuscript History Brigham Young, > > > > Older Books:- > > 1866 Book of Mormon, > > Northern Utah Southern Idaho - Tullidge, > > Volumes 1 - 4 Millennial Star, > > Volumes 1 - 3 Times and Seasons. > > > > I'm sure there are many others if I just think... But it's hard on a > > Monday morning! > > > > Malcolm J. Vickery > > Distinctive Books > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ROY > > SCHMIDT Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:30 AM To: > > lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] How > > would you price this? > > > > > > Thanks, Ken. > > > > Another question, please. I was in Benchmark on Saturday, and was told > > > the longest waiting list books, are Studies in Scriptures, Vol. 2, and > > > the Journal of Discourses? > > > > Ken, Rick, Mark, others: which books currently have the longest wait? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Roy > > > > >>> ken@dreamgarden.com 09/30/02 10:11AM >>> > > $200 and $100 respectively. > > > > ROY SCHMIDT wrote: > > > > > I have a copy of Gordon B. Hinckley's book _What of the Mormon's?_. > > It > > > is in very good condition, with a good to very good dj. What makes > > it > > > interesting is that it is signed by GBH as well as George Albert > > > Smith, and GAS, Jr. It was presented to an official at Princeton, > > > where, I believe GAS, Jr. was employed. > > > > > > What would you think would be the fair market value of this item? > > It > > > is not for sale, but it would be helpful for inventory purposes. > > > > > > Another item is Ezra Taft Benson's _Freedom to Farm_. It is signed > > by > > > him and inscribed to Harold Stassen. How would you price this? > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Roy Schmidt > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - > > > "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message > > body. > > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > -- > > Ken Sanders > > Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA > > 268 South 200 East > > Salt Lake City UT 84111 > > (801) 521-3819 > > Fax: (801) 521-2606 > > http://www.kensandersbooks.com > > ken@dreamgarden.com > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message > > body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > -- > Hugh Stocks > hstocks@vii.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:18:58 -0400 From: Frank Marotta Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] LIST OF WORKS IN THE NYPL RELATING TO THE MORMONS I saw this on ABE; anyone see this reprint yet? Any comments? Frank Marotta 1. LIST OF WORKS IN THE NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY RELATING TO THE MORMONS. (Mansfield Centre, CT Martino n.d., but 2002). This scarce offprint of Mormon bibliography first appeared in the Bulletin of the New York Public Library, March, 1909, and is both early and quite extensive, describing almost 1750 items arranged alphabetically by author (Besterman 4021). A large majority of the books were collected by William Berrian, from whose estate they were bought in December, 1899, by Helen Miller Gould and presented to the library. Binding is 8vo., cloth. (iv), pp. 183-239. (Keywords: 1578982979 BIB-TWENIN MORMONS RELIGION OKPX MM) The price of the book is US$ 45.00 - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:00:37 -0400 From: BJRom@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] LIST OF WORKS IN THE NYPL RELATING TO THE MORMONS Frank, I have not seen the book yet, but I spoke with Marino Publishing a few days ago about it. As you may know, Marino is well-known for publishing and reprinting bibliographic material, usually in very small printings. This book is cloth bound and published in a printing of 50 copies. I placed an order last Tuesday, but they only mail out books once a week, so I probably won't receive the order until late next week. If you are interested, I will let you know what I think when it arrives. Also, I will sell copies at a 20% discount, if you are interested. Brian In a message dated Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:18:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, fmarotta@juno.com writes: > > I saw this on ABE; anyone see this reprint yet? Any comments? > > Frank Marotta > > > 1. LIST OF WORKS IN THE NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY RELATING TO THE MORMONS. > (Mansfield Centre, CT Martino n.d., but 2002). This scarce offprint of > Mormon bibliography first appeared in the Bulletin of the New York Public > Library, March, 1909, and is both early and quite extensive, describing > almost 1750 items arranged alphabetically by author (Besterman 4021). A > large majority of the books were collected by William Berrian, from whose > estate they were bought in December, 1899, by Helen Miller Gould and > presented to the library. Binding is 8vo., cloth. (iv), pp. > 183-239. > (Keywords: 1578982979 BIB-TWENIN MORMONS RELIGION OKPX MM) > The price of the book is US$ 45.00 - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:13:28 -0600 From: "Clark Goble" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] News From JWHA ___ Mark ___ | My own opinion, which I have gathered from others, is that his | work is quite accurate. From what I hear Krakauer's story is | much closer to the truth than Boukreev's-although correct me if | I am wrong here. ___ Back when Boukreev's book came out, I know many in the climbing community were very critical of Krakauer. While I think Krakauer made some good points regarding the guiding service, I think he did overlook a lot of things Boukreev did. It's been too long since I read the books, however. My own personal opinion is that Krakauer was going for a bit more of a sensationalist bent. While that makes sense for outsiders looking in, I think that within the climbing community the perspective on life that Boukreev takes is more in tune with how they look at things. i.e. you are largely responsible for your own fate and guides are just that - an aid. Going on Everest isn't like going on a tour of downtown New York. I don't remember the other details however. The only reason I bring that up is that if Krakauer is writing on Mormon dissidents, that outsider vs. insider view will undoubtedly raise its head again. In many ways I think the situation does parallel the climbing community's view of people. In some ways the climbing community is its own religion with various internal wars. (Although the wars are over bolting rather than historicity as in Mormonism. ) - -- Clark Goble --- clark@lextek.com ----------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:53:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Cahoon Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] News From JWHA He still is... - --- "Edlund, Mark J" wrote: > The JWHA conference this year was great. At least > one other bookshelf member, Mark Holden, was in > attendance and I had the chance to speak with him. > Doug Cahoon was also there (is Doug on bookshelf?). __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:10:52 -0600 From: "ROY SCHMIDT" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Here is a list of items that may be of interest to 'Shelfers. They are offered by Michael Ginsberg B Here is a list of items that may be of interest to 'Shelfers. They are offered by Michael Ginsberg Books of Sharon, MA. www.ginsbook.com I have not done business with Ginsberg, so do not consider this an endorsement. Roy Schmidt 70. Kelly, Charles and Hoffman Birney. HOLY MURDER: THE STORY OF PORTER ROCKWELL. N.Y.,, Minton Blach , [1934]. [8],313pp. Illus. Original red cloth spine and abut 1/5 of front cover lightly darkened. First edition. Adams Guns 1223: "Has much on John D. Lee and Orrin Porter Rockwell and their crimes, the 'destroying angels,' and the Mountain Meadows Massacre." Not in Flake. 150.00 79. Leighly, John. CALIFORNIA AS AN ISLAND. AN ILLUSTRATED ESSAY. WITH TWENTY-FIVE PLATES & A BIBLIOGRAPHICAL CHECKLIST OF MAPS SHOWING CALIFORNIA AS AN ISLAND 1622 - 1785. San F.,, Bok Club of Ca, 1972. 154pp. 182 maps., plates, most double , one folded. Original half leather and boards. A very nice copy. One of 450 copies printed by Grabhorn & Hoyem. First edition. 1000.00 98. [MORMON]. Smith, Frederick M. APPEAL OF FREDERICK M. SMITH, ONE OF THE PRESIDENCY OF THE "REORGANIZED CHURCH" TO PRES. JOSEPH F. SMITH, FOR THE UNLIMITED USE OF THE MEETING HOUSES OF THE LATTER DAY SAINTS AND HIS REPLY. [Salt Lake City,, 1905].. 12pp. Original printed 16mo wrappers. First edition. Flake 7854, locates 6. 50.00 99. [MORMONS]. Erickson, Ephraim Edward. THE PSYCHOLOGICAL AND ETHICAL ASPECTS OF MORMON GROUP LIFE. Chicago, [1920]. [10],101pp. Original small 4to cloth, x-library. First edition. Flake 3180. 50.00 100. [MORMONS]. Marks, David. THE LIFE OF DAVID MARKS... INCLUDING THE PARTICULARS OF HIS CONVERSION, CALL TO THE MINISTRY, AND LABOURS IN ITINERANT PREACHING FOR NEARLY ELEVEN YEARS. Limerick, Maine, 1831. 396pp. Illus, port. Full contemporary calf, library stamps on endpapers, title page mended at inner margin, no text affected. First edition. Flake 5277, locates 9: "Visited the Whitmer family in 1830; his evaluation of the Book of Mormon and its witnesses." Sabin 44604. Howes M293 [1846 edition only]. This autobiography by a Free-Will Baptist of Jewish ancestry is notable as the earliest known account of the Book of Mormon from a hostile perspective. 1250.00 101. [MORMONS]. Stenhouse, Thomas B. H. [Mrs. Fanny]. AN ENGLISHWOMAN IN UTAH: THE STORY OF A LIFE'S EXPERIENCE IN MORMONISM. AN AUTOBIOGRAPHY... WITH INTRODUCTORY PREFACE BY MRS. HARRIET BEECHER STOWE, INCLUDING A FULL ACCOUNT OF THE MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE, AND OF THE LIFE CONFESSION AND EXECUTION OF BISHOP JOHN D. LUE.. NEW AND CHEAPER EDITION. London, Sampson Low, 1882. [12],404,[2]pp. Illus. Original pictorial printed 12 mo boards, with endpapers ads. Flake 8399. There is an additions and corrections leaf laid in at end which is not cited by Flake. First edition. 175.00 134. [PACIFIC RAILROAD]. Carver, Dr. Hartwell. PROPOSAL FOR A CHARTER TO BUILD A RAILROAD FROM LAKE MICHIGAN TO THE PACIFIC OCEAN. Washington, Gideon, 1847. 38pp. Original printed wrappers, worn and mended, front wrapper acting as title page. First edition. Howes C 214 [aa]: "One of the earliest transcontinental projects\ with critical comments on the plans of Whitney and Wilkes." The author claims to be the "first who conceived the plan of building a railroad across the Rocky Mountains, connected the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans..." This pamphlet is his "Memorial" to Congress asking for a charter for construction of the railroad. Very scarce and important. 1500.00 146. Richthofen, Ferdinand [Paul Wilhelm]. THE COMSTOCK LODE: ITS CHARACTER, AND THE PROBABLE MODE OF ITS CONTINUANCE IN DEPTH. San F., Sutro Tunnel Company, 1866. 83pp. Original printed front wrapper only, small piece missing at top. First edition. He traveled to California where he was asked to study and report on the Nevada Comstock Lode. "This important work was don for the Board of the Sutro Tunnel. A rare Sutro item- Paher 1668. Howes R271. Not in Cowan. 300.00 177. [UTAH]. Anderson, Nils. DESERT SAINTS: THE MORMON FRONTIER IN UTAH. Chicago, [1942]. [20],459pp. Illus. Original small 4to cloth, x-library. First edition. Not in Flake 50.00 183. Wagner, Henry R. and Charles Camp and Robert Becker. THE PLAINS & THE ROCKIES: A CRITICAL BIBLIOGRAPHY OF EXPLORATION, ADVENTURE AND TRAVEL IN THE AMERICAN WEST 1800-1865. San F., 1982. 745pp. illus. Cloth. Fourth edition. Revised, enlarged and edited by Robert H. Becker. At last, the long awaited revision of the premier reference book of western Americana. The significance of this new edition lies in its thorough bibliographic treatment of each known issue and edition of each title, giving line-by-line transcriptions of every page and every map, full collations, references and confirmed locations of copies, together with brief editorial comments, and an index of authors, titles, and subjects. 150.00 194. Wood, Stanley. AN UNATTENDED JOURNEY OF THEN THOUSAND MILES BY RAIL. A TOUR BY FOUR YOUNG LADIES FROM THE LAKES, ACROSS THE PRAIRIES, OVER THE ROCKIES, THROUGH THE DESERTS, AMONG THE SIERRAS, TO THE PACIFIC COAST: A SOUVENIR OF TRANSCONTINENTAL TRAVEL... Chicago, White, 1895. 152,[6]pp. Illus. Original pictorial printed cloth, spine lightly faded. First edition. Traveler's Pictorial Series Vol. 1#1, May, 1895. Much on Colorado, Utah, Yellowstone and California. Not in Wynar, Howes, Graff, or Cowan. Flake 9988, locates only one copy.: "Chiefly descriptive with a brief history of Mormons in Utah." Reese: Trail to Plane 51: "A fictitious narrative from the days when railroads actually encouraged passengers, written to show that unchaperoned young ladies might travel without danger or impropriety. When our first three heroines decided to see California, they needed a fourth; "...then we can take a section all to ourselves in the sleeper, and there won't be any horrid man to sit in the front seat and stare us out of countenance..." 200.00 - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:28:33 -0600 From: "ROY SCHMIDT" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] more from Ginsberg 406. McClure, A. K. TO THE PACIFIC AND MEXICO. Phila., Lippincott, 1901. 162pp. Illus. Original silver stamped small 8vo cloth, x-library. First edition. Utah and the Mormons, San Francisco, Mexico city, Guadeloupe, Orizaba Mountains, etc. Not in Cowan. Flake 5123: "A revisit to Utah with notes on earlier conclusions, p. 9-29, locates 3 copies 75.00 436. [MORMONS]. THE MORMON TROUBLE. N.Y., 1845. In: New York Spectator, Oct. 1, 1845. 1/2 folio column of text on page 2. Reports on skirmishes; actions at Warsaw and Keokuk; killing of Mr. Worrell, eyewitness accounts,etc. Also, on page 3 is an article "the Anti-Mormon War," 1/2 folio column . Also an eyewitness account of activities at Warsaw. 100.00 437. [MORMONS]. THE MORMONS IN UTAH. [N.Y.}, 1851. In: Gazette of the Union. July 12, 1851, 1/2 folio column of text. "The people of the United states can, in a commercial and political sense, only be benefited by the growth of this remarkable people..." 75.00 438. [MORMONS]. Spencer, Orson. DEN PATRIARKALSKE ORDEN ELLER FLEERKONERI AF AELDSTE ORSON SPENCER... [Kjobehnavn, Bording, 1854]. 18pp. dbd. First edition in Danish. Flake 8334, locates only one copy. 125.00 705. [UTAH]. CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF UTAH. ADOPTED BY THE CONVENTION, APRIL 27, 1882... Salt Lake City, Deseret News, 1882. 42pp. Original printed front wrapper only. Kuhlman p.79. Includes the journal of the convention proceedings and the 4 page Memorial to Congress. This was an extremely popular document, winning the acceptance of the people 27,814 to 498. 175.00 706. [UTAH]. Gove, Jesse A. THE UTAH EXPEDITION, 1857 - 1858: LETTERS OF CAPT. JESSE A. GOVE, 10TH INF., U.S.A., OF CONCORD, N.H., TO MRS. GOVE, AND SPECIAL CORRESPONDENCE OF THE NEW YORK HERALD. Concord, N.H., 1928. 442pp. Illus. Original cloth. First edition. N.H. Hist. Soc. Colls. V. 12. Howes G279. Edited by Otis G. Hammond. 100.00 - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:44:38 EDT From: BJRom@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] NYT article on Mountain Meadows - --part1_4c.133c6d5e.2ad9e3b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a lengthy article on the recent and forthcoming books on MMM in today's New York Times. It includes comments from authors of all three books--Bagley, Denton, and Turley. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/12/arts/12MORM.html Brian - --part1_4c.133c6d5e.2ad9e3b6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a lengthy article on the recent and forthcoming books on MMM in today's New York Times.  It includes comments from authors of all three books--Bagley, Denton, and Turley.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/12/arts/12MORM.html

Brian - --part1_4c.133c6d5e.2ad9e3b6_boundary-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:04:01 -0400 From: "Holden Mark" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Joseph Smith Books 1. Was in Nauvoo a few weeks ago for the JWHA meeting and had an opportunity to revisit the transcription from the Red Brick store daybook from June 25 1842 to June 23 1844. The inventory from 7-12-42 to 10-21-43 showed 246 Books of Mormon and 1 "Superior Bound Book of Mormon" (among other books). This "Superior Bound Book of Mormon" was listed as having been purchased by Joseph Smith. Does anyone know what happened to this book? Does anyone know a convenient source listing all the books that were in Jospeh Smith's library/estate at his death? 2. Also had a brief visit with Robert Remini about his new Joseph Smith Bio. Asked him how many copies were being issued in the first printing. He said he had no idea as he had never asked, and said that it could be 10,000 or 20,000 or 30,000 copies. Hard to imagine writing a book but not knowing how many were to be initially printed - but I guess this is better than the alternative if that means multiple preplanned manufactured "rare" limited leather editions. Mark Holden _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:39:50 EDT From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Joseph Smith Books In a message dated 10/13/02 11:04:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mhold123@hotmail.com writes: << Hard to imagine writing a book but not knowing how many were to be initially printed - but I guess this is better than the alternative if that means multiple preplanned manufactured "rare" limited leather editions. >> I have to agree with you, Mark! Rick Grunder - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:26:44 EDT From: BJRom@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] FIRST PRINTINGS--Comments and a Question - --part1_7f.2ddb0091.2ae4a3c4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the Mormon market, at least for newer books, the distinction between first and later printings is not always that important to most collectors. For example, the first printings for both Bagley's _Blood of the Prophets_ and Given's _By the Hand of Mormon_ have sold out at their respective publishers. Yet, I would be surprised if either first printing greatly exceeds the value of a second printing any time soon. On the other hand, in the modern fiction collectors' market, first printings are EVERYTHING. Of course, some ardent Mormon collectors also insist on first printings. In either case, I recently encountered a book that shows how very difficult identifying a first printing can be. A first novel _You Are Not a Stranger Here_ by Adam Haslett, a Yale Law School student, was recently nominated for the National Book Award and was chosen by last year's winner for the Today Show Book Club. As a result, the first printing was relatively small, but the next printing was huge. Unfortunately, the second printing looks like a first printing and could fool even the most astute observer, absent a comparison with the true first printing. In the first printing, the last 3 lines of the copyright page read: "August 2002 / FIRST PRINTING / 1 3 5 7 9 10 8 6 4 2" The second printing deletes the first 2 of these lines, but keeps the last line intact, INCLUDING (unfortunately) the "1". Comparing the two, it is obvious which is the first printing, but alone, the second printing looks very much like a first. If you are interested, I have a copy of both pages on the following link: http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/psbooks/FIRST_PRINTING_copy1.JPG Now for my question---typically we use the word "state" to distinguish different copies of a book from the same printing. As I understand it, the concept is that the printing presses stopped and a correction was made. In this case, however, it is clear that the book I have called the "second state" is really a second printing. But to follow that designation would mean that when you look at the number line for later printings, you would have to always add one to the number to get it right. With this in mind, should the second book in this example be called a SECOND PRINTING or a SECOND STATE of the FIRST PRINTING? Trivial, I know, but such are the thoughts of the biblio-obsessed. Brian - --part1_7f.2ddb0091.2ae4a3c4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the Mormon market, at least for newer books, the distinction between first and later printings is not always that important to most collectors.  For example, the first printings for both Bagley's _Blood of the Prophets_ and Given's _By the Hand of Mormon_ have sold out at their respective publishers. Yet, I would be surprised if either first printing greatly exceeds the value of a second printing any time soon. On the other hand, in the modern fiction collectors' market, first printings are EVERYTHING. Of course, some ardent Mormon collectors also insist on first printings.

In either case, I recently encountered a book that shows how very difficult identifying a first printing can be. A first novel _You Are Not a Stranger  Here_ by Adam Haslett, a Yale Law School student, was recently nominated for the National Book Award and was chosen by last year's winner for the Today Show Book Club. As a result, the first printing was relatively small, but the next printing was huge. Unfortunately, the second printing looks like a first printing and could fool even the most astute observer, absent a comparison with the true first printing. In the first printing, the last 3 lines of the copyright page read: "August 2002 / FIRST PRINTING / 1 3  5 7 9 10 8 6 4 2"  The second printing deletes the first 2 of these lines, but keeps the last line intact, INCLUDING (unfortunately) the "1". Comparing the two, it is obvious which is the first printing, but alone, the second printing looks very much like a first. If you are interested, I have a copy of both pages on the following link: http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/psbooks/FIRST_PRINTING_copy1.JPG

Now for my question---typically we use the word "state" to distinguish different copies  of a book from the same printing. As I understand it, the concept is that the printing presses stopped and a correction was made. In this case, however, it is clear that the book I have called the "second state" is really a second printing. But to follow that designation would mean that when you look at the number line for later printings, you would have to always add one to the number to get it right. With this in mind, should the second book in this example be called a SECOND PRINTING or a SECOND STATE of the FIRST PRINTING? Trivial, I know, but such are the thoughts of the biblio-obsessed.

Brian
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