From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #952 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Monday, January 20 2003 Volume 01 : Number 952 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:53:22 -0700 From: "Clark Goble" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bagley Redux Possibly this has been discussed here. However have people discussed the recent review of Bagley in the newest Sunstone? It is available online as a PDF and is quite interesting. http://www.sunstoneonline.com/magazine/issues/125/briggs_more%20complete %20review%20for%20web.pdf - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:27:27 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bagley Redux Yeah, FINALLY a scholarly review of Blood of the Prophets. Mark Edlund pointed this out to me last night and I read it today. Many insightful points about the book, both positive and negative. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Clark Goble Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:53 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Bagley Redux Possibly this has been discussed here. However have people discussed the recent review of Bagley in the newest Sunstone? It is available online as a PDF and is quite interesting. http://www.sunstoneonline.com/magazine/issues/125/briggs_more%20complete %20review%20for%20web.pdf - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:31:32 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Please Read - Bookshelf Survey & 7 Deadly Sins Fellow Bookshelfers: So far 18 out of 35 LDS-Bookshelfers have returned their surveys to me. Arnie Garr, author of the study, had John Welch available to put the arm = on recalcitrant respondents. All I have is my wit and a modicum of moral persuasion. =20 With only three days to go, I decided that those who have NOT responded = need me to play to their baser instincts. Accordingly, I have made pleas = based on each of the Seven Deadly Sins. I'm sure there is something here for = each of you. Please read and respond accordingly. PRIDE: Who knows more about Mormon books than LDS-Bookshelfers? Let's = show those silly Mormon Jesuits what a real list of important books looks = like. Add your vaunted knowledge of Mormon imprints to a survey that will make history. Be listed as a contributor to the true first edition of the LDS-BOOKSHELF list of Important Mormon Works SLOTH: I know! I know! It's work to think of these books. Ya gotta = drag out your list of collectible books. Then ya gotta think and think about each list. It takes time. But then you've got until Saturday to get it done, so do a little bit tonight and a little bit tomorrow and slowly = you'll get it done. Don't rush. You'll get it done eventually! ENVY: Those guys on the Church payroll have it made. I mean, just = feature sitting around with nothing to do but research special collections and = once in a while teach a class to obedient clean-shaven kids who worship and = adore you. What a life! Well, we may not have that kind of pampered = existence but let's at least show those lucky bums that we know more about = important Mormon books than they'll ever know. Get your list in today! GREED: It's OK to dream about owning every important book on your wish-list. Who could ever fault someone who was greedy for learning? = Being greedy for books is like being greedy for love. How can that be a sin? = Get your list of important books together and send it to Keith. Who knows, maybe someone will see your interest and send you one of the books? Go = for the gold! WRATH: LISTEN DAMMIT! I busted my butt to get permission to use this survey, distribute it to you numbskulls, and then spend my precious time tabulating the results and what do I get?? HALF OF YOU SIT ON YOUR = DUFFS AND DON'T RESPOND. I'm going to kick some fanny if you don't get those surveys in NOW! LUST: Imagine what it must have been like to have 27 women waiting each evening for your return! Where else but in Mormon books can you find = such salacious scenes or such imaginative ideas for seducing the heart of the fairer sex. Thinking of erotic Mormon books to list on the survey will tweak your magic twanger in a way you'll never forget. The only limits = are your own imagination and the 10 minutes it takes to complete the survey! GLUTTONY: It's only the few that know the true meaning of "Feasting on = the Words." True bookshelfers know that devouring books is even better than devouring chocolate. Be fat with books. Savor your collection by = listing your favorite morsels on the survey and returning it to Keith If none of those work, let me try one that is a time-honored Mormon tradition: GUILT: Look, Hugh and I went out on a limb and promised the BYU Studies author we'd share our numbers with him if he'd let us use his survey. = DON'T humiliate us by having to turn in data with a 50% response rate. After = all, Hugh and I pay for this list, handle all the administration, and you get = all the benefits. Get off your duff and help Hugh and me save face. Get = your survey in immediately! Cut off is Saturday. Thanks, Keith Bookshelf Janitor and survey compiler. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 01:01:41 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Please Read - Bookshelf Survey & 7 Deadly Sins In a message dated 1/15/03 11:32:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, irwinkw@earthlink.net writes: << Thinking of erotic Mormon books to list on the survey will tweak your magic twanger in a way you'll never forget. >> Not sure I fully understand, but I think I need a cigarette! And I don't even smoke . . . RickBook - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:16:52 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Please return the surveys We're two responses short of a 73% return. That's the response rate from the BYU sample. With our passion for books, we ought to be the most responsive. If you haven't already done so, please do the survey today and return it by Saturday evening at the latest. Verrrrrry interesting results so far. And close enough in some categories that one more response could change the order of results. Thanks. I think this will make for some interesting discussions. Keith - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:13:56 -0600 From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Please return the surveys =A0Keith,=20 If it would help I would be more than happy to vote twice (g).=A0 For = several categories I had trouble narrowing it to 3 books anyway, so I = would like the chance to list another 3 books. Mark=20 - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Irwin To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Sent: 1/17/2003 10:16 PM Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Please return the surveys We're two responses short of a 73% return. That's the response rate from the BYU sample. With our passion for books, we ought to be the most responsive. If you haven't already done so, please do the survey today and return = it by Saturday evening at the latest. Verrrrrry interesting results so far. And close enough in some categories that one more response could change the order of results. Thanks. I think this will make for some interesting discussions. Keith - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:40:43 -0700 From: Brian Irwin Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Selected Collections from the Archives of the Church... Bookshelfers, Most of you do not know me, but I have been a long-time lurker to this email list. Keith's survey has served to pull me out of lurkdom. Hopefully, I will participate a little more in the future! Now that I have finally submitted my survey, I would like to find out if any you have plunked down your $1299 for your personal copy of Selected Collections from the Archives of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I think that this 74 DVD collection may well deserve the Most Important title, but I figured that if this survey is to compare results with the BYU Studies survey, it really wouldn't be fair, since it hadn't been officially announced when the original survey was distributed. If any of you have purchased the set, how user friendly is it? Is it easy to navigate? Was it distributed in a platform-neutral format? (In other words, did they use a Windows-only software program to navigate the images?) Is there any reason to worry that this might be a "limited edition" publication? Brian Irwin Currently "between jobs" Mac OS X user who hasn't YET pulled enough cash together to purchase his own set of Selected Collections to achieve Mormon Historical Nirvana. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:33:56 -0700 From: Ken Sanders Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Book of Mormons on ebay There are currently two Book of Mormons on ebay. One is allegedly being sold by a certain infamous LDS dealer/collector from the midwestern portion of the country. I realize Mormons don't gamble but would anyone care to wager odds on what the chances are of this auction coming to a succesful conclusion? It is my understanding this dealer has been booted off ebay in the past. - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:25:52 -0700 From: "Snow, Donald R." Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Selected Collections from the Archives of the Church... I bought a copy of the new 74-DVD set from the Church Archives, but haven't had time to even boot it up yet. It has a copy of my g-grandfather's journal in it and I would probably have been willing to pay a lot just for his journal BTW, if any of you intend to buy the set, subscribe to BYU Studies first, since when I bought my copy I learned that if you are a subscriber you get a healthy discount ($100, iirc). The closest I have gotten to looking at the set is to OCR the printed introduction and table of contents for someone. Don Snow At 02:40 PM 1/18/2003, Brian Irwin wrote: >Bookshelfers, > >Most of you do not know me, but I have been a long-time lurker to this >email list. Keith's survey has served to pull me out of lurkdom. >Hopefully, I will participate a little more in the future! > >Now that I have finally submitted my survey, I would like to find out if >any you have plunked down your $1299 for your personal copy of Selected >Collections from the Archives of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day >Saints. > >I think that this 74 DVD collection may well deserve the Most Important >title, but I figured that if this survey is to compare results with the >BYU Studies survey, it really wouldn't be fair, since it hadn't been >officially announced when the original survey was distributed. > >If any of you have purchased the set, how user friendly is it? Is it easy >to navigate? Was it distributed in a platform-neutral format? (In other >words, did they use a Windows-only software program to navigate the >images?) Is there any reason to worry that this might be a "limited >edition" publication? > > >Brian Irwin >Currently "between jobs" Mac OS X user who hasn't YET pulled enough cash >together to purchase his own set of Selected Collections to achieve Mormon >Historical Nirvana. > > >---------------------------------------------------------- >- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" Dr. Donald R. Snow, Dept of Mathematics, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah 84602 (office phone) (801) 422-2366, (home phone) (801) 225-7123, snowd@math.byu.edu, drs31@juno.com -- temporarily on a Family History Mission at St. George Regional Family History Center, St. George, Utah (home phone in St. George ) (435) 673-1932 - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:23:28 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Survey Results - Biography This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2C0C1.CF93DB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friends: I printed this out in html to maintain the columns. Hopefully your e-mail readers will be able to make this out. I thought I'd post each section of the survey separately over the next couple of days in order to keep any discussion focused. There are two columns. The first is "points." This is the sum of the ratings given each book. 3 points were given to the first book each respondent listed, 2 points to the second, and 1 point for the third. The second column is a tally of how many times the book was listed, regardless of position. There were 29 Bookshelfers who responded. The biography section had the most agreement with the BYU studies survey. 14 of their top twenty were in our top 22. The most notable change in the rankings is the much higher "importance" we gave to Brodie's book. Any surprises? Anyone want to defend their choice? Did we miss anything? Title - Author Points Count Biography Biographical Sketches of JS - Smith 38 15 No Man Knows My History - Brodie 30 12 Brigham Young, American Moses - Arrington 14 8 Autobiography of Parley P. Pratt - Pratt 14 8 Wilford Woodruff Journals - Kenney 11 6 Jesus The Christ - Talmage 11 5 Joseph Smith First Mormon - Hill 8 3 Things in Heaven & Earth - Alexander 6 3 Wilford Woodruff - Cowley 5 2 Life of Heber C. Kimball - Whitney 4 2 JS & the Beginning of Mormonism - Bushman 4 3 Mormon Enigma - Newell 4 3 On the Mormon Frontier-Hosea Stout - Brooks 3 1 Hugh B. Brown, His Life & Thought - Campbell 2 1 The Historical Record - Jensen 2 1 Joseph Smith, An American Prophet - Evans 2 1 Adventures of a Church Historian - Arrington 2 1 Elder Statesman - Quinn 2 2 Life of Spencer W. Kimball - Kimball 2 2 John Doyle Lee - Brooks 2 1 LDS Biographical Encyclopedia - Jensen 2 2 In The World - Diaries of Reed Smoot - Smith 2 1 From Heart to Heart - Nelson 1 1 Wife No. 19 - Young 1 1 My Life's Review - Johnson 1 1 Sidney Rigdon, A Portrait of Religious Excess - VanW 1 1 - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2C0C1.CF93DB70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Friends:

 

I printed this out in html to maintain the columns. =  Hopefully your e-mail readers will be able to make this out.

 

I thought I’d post each section of the survey separately = over the next couple of days in order to keep any discussion = focused.

 

There are two columns.  The first is = “points.”  This is the sum of the ratings given each book.  3 points were = given to the first book each respondent listed, 2 points to the second, and 1 = point for the third.  The second column is a tally of how many times the book = was listed, regardless of position.  There were 29 Bookshelfers who = responded.

 

The biography section had the most agreement with the BYU = studies survey.  14 of their top twenty were in our top 22.  The most = notable change in the rankings is the much higher “importance” we = gave to Brodie’s book. 

 

Any surprises?  Anyone want to defend their choice?  = Did we miss anything?

 

 

Title - = Author

Points

Count

Biography

 

 

Biographical Sketches of JS - = Smith

38

15

No Man Knows My History - Brodie

30

12

Brigham Young, American Moses - = Arrington

14

8

Autobiography of Parley P. Pratt - = Pratt

14

8

Wilford Woodruff Journals - = Kenney

11

6

Jesus The Christ - Talmage

11

5

Joseph Smith First Mormon - Hill

8

3

Things in Heaven & Earth - = Alexander

6

3

Wilford Woodruff - Cowley

5

2

Life of Heber C. Kimball - = Whitney

4

2

JS & the Beginning of Mormonism - = Bushman

4

3

Mormon Enigma - Newell

4

3

On the Mormon Frontier-Hosea Stout - = Brooks

3

1

Hugh B. Brown, His Life & Thought - = Campbell

2

1

The Historical Record - Jensen

2

1

Joseph Smith, An American Prophet - = Evans

2

1

Adventures of a Church Historian - = Arrington

2

1

Elder Statesman - Quinn

2

2

Life of Spencer W. Kimball - = Kimball

2

2

John Doyle Lee - Brooks

2

1

LDS Biographical Encyclopedia - = Jensen

2

2

In The World - Diaries of Reed Smoot - = Smith

2

1

From Heart to Heart - Nelson

1

1

Wife No. 19 - Young

1

1

My Life's Review - Johnson

1

1

Sidney Rigdon, A Portrait of Religious Excess - = VanW

1

1

 

 

 

 

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