From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #955 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Sunday, January 26 2003 Volume 01 : Number 955 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:32:00 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] And the winner is... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C255.541C1350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And the book deemed most important by LDS-Bookshelfers: (note that since you only got one choice, I only gave each mention one point.) The MOST important Book Jesus The Christ 5 5 Wilford Woodruff Journals 3 3 Journal of Discourses - 26 vols 3 3 No Man Knows My History 2 2 Documentary History of the Church 2 2 Words of Joseph Smith - Ehat 2 2 Voice of Warning - Pratt 1 1 The Miracle of Fogiveness 1 1 Early Mormon Documents - Vogel 1 1 Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith - Smith 1 1 He Did Deliver Me from Bondage - Harrison 1 1 Comprehensive History of the Church - Roberts 1 1 A Mormon Bibliography - Flake 1 1 Evening & Morning Star 1 1 - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C255.541C1350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And the book deemed most important by LDS-Bookshelfers: (note that since you = only got one choice, I only gave each mention one point.)

 

 

The MOST important = Book

 

 

Jesus The Christ

5

5

Wilford Woodruff Journals

3

3

Journal of Discourses - 26 vols

3

3

No Man Knows My History

2

2

Documentary History of the Church

2

2

Words of Joseph Smith - Ehat

2

2

Voice of Warning - Pratt

1

1

The Miracle of Fogiveness

1

1

Early Mormon Documents - Vogel

1

1

Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith - = Smith

1

1

He Did Deliver Me from Bondage - = Harrison

1

1

Comprehensive History of the Church - = Roberts

1

1

A Mormon Bibliography - Flake

1

1

Evening & Morning Star

1

1

 

- ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2C255.541C1350-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:17:58 -0600 From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] following up on ken's posts Ken, Earlier in the week you wrote about some guys book collection being stolen. Any more news on that? Also, what about the BOM on ebay that you mentioned? I noted that all of sudden one of them up for sale was taken off. Any idea what happened? Mark - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:12:40 -0700 From: Ken Sanders Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Stealing Stolen Books The stolen book caper has taken a decidedly odd twist. One Jim Wardle alleges that a former tenant has stolen a portion of his rare Mormon book collection from two garages he owns. Wardle is claiming a collection of some 10,000 volumes, of which he alleges between 1000-2000 volumes have been stolen, allegedly by a former tenant. A police detective and Jim Wardle came to my shop with a milk crate full of books. I estimated the books as being worth approximately $1,000. The allegedly stolen books have been showing up in area book shops. With Wardle's permission I offered to publicise the theft and did so to this list. I learned from that post that Jim Wardle was an alleged notorious book thief going back 15 and 25 years ago and allegedly stole significant quantities of rare Mormon books from Desert Book and Utah State University. Others on this list will have more details on these events than I. The police have confirmed these events and a pattern of arrest records for Jim Wardle and his progeny. Ken Sanders Edlund, Mark J wrote: > > Ken, > > Earlier in the week you wrote about some guys book collection being stolen. Any more news on that? Also, what about the BOM on ebay that you mentioned? I noted that all of sudden one of them up for sale was taken off. Any idea what happened? > > Mark > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:17:55 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Stealing Stolen Books Honestly, I don't think you could write fiction more bizarre than what happens in the world of Mormon books. We need someone to write the Mormon version of "A Gentle Madness." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sanders Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:13 AM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Stealing Stolen Books The stolen book caper has taken a decidedly odd twist. One Jim Wardle alleges that a former tenant has stolen a portion of his rare Mormon book collection from two garages he owns. Wardle is claiming a collection of some 10,000 volumes, of which he alleges between 1000-2000 volumes have been stolen, allegedly by a former tenant. A police detective and Jim Wardle came to my shop with a milk crate full of books. I estimated the books as being worth approximately $1,000. The allegedly stolen books have been showing up in area book shops. With Wardle's permission I offered to publicise the theft and did so to this list. I learned from that post that Jim Wardle was an alleged notorious book thief going back 15 and 25 years ago and allegedly stole significant quantities of rare Mormon books from Desert Book and Utah State University. Others on this list will have more details on these events than I. The police have confirmed these events and a pattern of arrest records for Jim Wardle and his progeny. Ken Sanders Edlund, Mark J wrote: > > Ken, > > Earlier in the week you wrote about some guys book collection being stolen. Any more news on that? Also, what about the BOM on ebay that you mentioned? I noted that all of sudden one of them up for sale was taken off. Any idea what happened? > > Mark > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:58:45 -0700 From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Stealing Stolen Books Keith, I have a section in my store labeled MORMONS, MURDER & MADNESS, for books written on some of our more unusual episodes; Mark Hofmann, etc. In regards to the Book of Mormon on ebay, I have very little to say other than the copy offered that had the auction shut down on ebay is the self same copy Rick Grunder sold about a year ago on ebay! I'm going to let Rick tell this story... Ken Sanders Keith Irwin wrote: > Honestly, I don't think you could write fiction more bizarre than what > happens in the world of Mormon books. We need someone to write the Mormon > version of "A Gentle Madness." > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sanders > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:13 AM > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Stealing Stolen Books > > The stolen book caper has taken a decidedly odd twist. One Jim Wardle > alleges that a former tenant has stolen a portion of his rare Mormon > book collection from two garages he owns. Wardle is claiming a > collection of some 10,000 volumes, of which he alleges between 1000-2000 > volumes have been stolen, allegedly by a former tenant. > > A police detective and Jim Wardle came to my shop with a milk crate full > of books. I estimated the books as being worth approximately $1,000. > The allegedly stolen books have been showing up in area book shops. > > > With Wardle's permission I offered to publicise the theft and did so to > this list. I learned from that post that Jim Wardle was an alleged > notorious book thief going back 15 and 25 years ago and allegedly stole > significant quantities of rare Mormon books from Desert Book and Utah > State University. Others on this list will have more details on these > events than I. The police have confirmed these events and a pattern of > arrest records for Jim Wardle and his progeny. > > Ken Sanders > > Edlund, Mark J wrote: > > >> >>Ken, >> >>Earlier in the week you wrote about some guys book collection being >> > stolen. Any more news on that? Also, what about the BOM on ebay that you > mentioned? I noted that all of sudden one of them up for sale was taken > off. Any idea what happened? > >>Mark >> >> >> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------- >>- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >>- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >>- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >>- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" >> >> >> >> > > - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:25:59 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Phanton "First" In a message dated 1/25/03 5:59:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, ken@dreamgarden.com writes: << In regards to the Book of Mormon on ebay, I have very little to say other than the copy offered that had the auction shut down on ebay is the self same copy Rick Grunder sold about a year ago on ebay! I'm going to let Rick tell this story... >> Here is the long version. I have no short version. After reading Ken's post to the Shelf last Monday evening ("There are currently two Book of Mormons on ebay. . . ."), I went to the AOL Mormon section, which I hadn't visited for a few days. The moment I saw the small thumbnail picture of the book beside the link to its sale description, I suspected that something was rather too familiar for comfort. Sure enough! As the page opened, I saw several pictures which I took in September 2001 for my website listing of a decent copy of the 1830 Book of Mormon. I had completed the description and HTML presentation just in time to load onto my site on a Tuesday morning. That morning turned out to be September 11, 2001. Other stuff happened, so I waited a respectful two weeks before posting the item. The additional shock to an already lethargic economy meant that it took six months to sell that book, instead of the usual six minutes or six hours or six days. In fact, I decided to list it on eBay in the spring (2002). While the bidding did not reach the reserve of $65,000, the failed sale was followed by several communications from potential customers, and one agreed to the price and acquired the book. The book remains with the happy customer, in Utah. I amended the listing on my website to show that the book was sold, and left it there for the possible interest of customers (and for the obvious advertising value and glitz it might lend): http://www.rickgrunder.com/1830.htm The rest of the story must be speculation, but it seems transparent enough, I think. Disclaimer: The following is merely speculative fiction, designed to entertain. Any coincidence with what actually happened is mere luck: Someone out there in Cyber-land evidently secures bank accounts using false identities. I can just see him or her visiting their local bank branch office from time to time, making modest deposits and withdrawals, chatting up the clerks, and establishing trust and familiarity. They probably run a dozen such set-ups simultaneously. Watching the internet - either eBay or dealer websites - our perpetrator probably combines a careful sense of timing with a reasonable knowledge of collectibles in general - and good photo software skills. In the case of my Book of Mormon page on my website, for example, our "perp" did the following: 1) edited my pictures very neatly, removing the background material (such as the ubiquitous Grunder breakfront with its reddish mahogany shelf and marble counter top), and replacing it with a solid black background. In the case of a double-page spread done on the scanner, showing the beginning of the Book of Alma, the left-hand side of the picture was removed, showing only the Alma page. This editing was so clean that I might have done it myself . 2) edited my typical, excessively verbose description down to an absolute bare-bones entry such as one might find in a normal rare book catalog [!]. In the process, however, the perp made one tactical error. He/she tried to come across as a regular guy/gal who just happened to inherit the book, saying it had been in the family for more than 100 years (untrue! untrue! It was in a California collection for decades, then in my possession for six months). YET, our folksy friend forgot to change my square brackets in the collation, describing the two final unnumbered pages of the Book of Mormon. Now, how likely would it be for Joe or Cathy Homeowner to describe a family heirloom as "588, [2] pp, . . ." ? No way. But ooops! Didja notice? They forgot the period after the second "p." Tch! tch! Or, a nice, homely touch. 3) exercised bibliographic creativity, upgrading "my" copy, which I describe on the website as having . . . "One original blank flyleaf at the front, and three at the back (of a possible two at the front and three at the back)." Sure enough, our discriminating perp goes for the gold: "It is complete with 588 pages, two blank flyleaf's in the front, and three in the back." Again, notice the charming homeliness of "flyleaf's," including the golly gee-whiz superfluous apostrophe. But our perp is more ambitious than I have credited. He/she has browsed several listings on eBay, and gleaned phrases which I don't use: ". . . This is the only edition to include the 2 page preface. . . . This book makes an excellent investment opportunity . . ." I was not able to reach my customer immediately, to confirm absolutely that he had not sold this book to another party in the last year. However, there were several suspicious tip-offs that this was a phantom book being offered on eBay in order to defraud someone out of a sum sufficient to feed both my nephews for an entire weekend. To wit: A - It was only a five-day sale, allowing little time for people to notice what was going on or to make a connection with my "donor site." The five days ended on a Wednesday, allowing just enough time to carry the charade to the weekend, with extra time to take the wired money and run. B - It was one of those anonymous sales, whereby the public could not evaluate who was bidding, or warn the bidders that they were being defrauded. C - The "seller" perp stipulated that payment could only be made by wire transfer. The better to eat and run, my dear! "Dear Mr. Victim: Your wire transfer arrived and cleared this afternoon. Since it is Friday, I will send your book by Registered Mail first thing Monday morning. Please watch for it and let me know the moment it arrives. I know you will treasure this family heirloom for generations to come!" D - The reserve was set very low, somewhere between $32,000 and $35,200 dollars (the price it had attained by the time I first saw the listing on eBay). High enough to sound real, but too low to ignore. As it turns out, a helpful stranger called me from Washington State to warm me of the pirating from my site. He told me that he had found an earlier sale on ebay by the same friendly sounding perp ("autumntwighlight1981," in Virginia, supposedly) which went full course, selling two very valuable [phantom] baseball cards for thousands of dollars, yet lower than the same real cards sold on the legitimate site from which the phantom info was pirated. So, one more racket to watch out for! The above, remember, is merely fiction to entertain. I wouldn't dream of accusing autumntwighlight1981 or an other party of committing an actual crime or deceit. My customer, who actually owns the real 1830 Book of Mormon, finally got my e-mail and replied: "Thank you for letting me know about this. I would have loved to buy another 'exact' copy for that price! Again it is nice to have friends in the world. Have a great day . . ." Glad to oblige! Rick Grunder Rick Grunder - Books We describe 'em, you sell 'em - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:29:56 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Make that "PhantoM" Sorry about the subject-line misspelling. Make that, "Phamtom." Or, um, uh . . . - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:59:50 -0600 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Phanton "First" Rick: I love your new slogan. Will that be appearing on your website? - --Steve - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:39:36 -0600 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Book Prices in Dallas This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2C50E.13B22050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone is interested, I went to the local LDS Bookstore, Moon Book's = (it used to be a Deseret Book Store, but they sold out to Moon -- I = believe he had a store before Deseret Book came into town anyway), and = found some used books. I was very curious about prices, so made the = following comparisons: TITLE DALLAS STORE ABE DESERET BOOK AMAZON =20 Mormon Docterine - 1st ed. $875 - uncertain if it has dustjacket $295 - $600 None None =20 Selected Manifestations $750 $585 - $625 None None =20 Fate of the Persecuters - 1st $85 $63 - $65 None $43 - $59 =20 Bruce R. McConkie bio by Eborn $9.95 $15 - $29.95 None $27.97 - $29.97 =20 Message of the J.S. Papyrus by Nibley $295.00 $100 - $190 None $195 - $200 =20 I don't think I'll be using this source for rare books very soon. I'm = ready to conclude that he really doesn't want to sell these books, but = likes showing them off. Some were in a glass topped coffee table by = occasional chairs he uses for a reading area. He also had some leather bound titles that he won't allow customers to = examine, but Moon was in Utah, and his staff had no idea how much he = wanted for them. However, if anyone wants a copy of the McConkie biography, this is a = good source. He had several copies I believe still in plastic wrappers. I'm still looking for good stores in this area, so if you have any = ideas, I'd really welcome them. I understand a famous author has several warehouses of books about 120 = miles from here. A friend from work went there and his biggest comment = was that they were unheated and it was very cold in them. I'm off there = in the next couple of weekends. - --Steve - ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2C50E.13B22050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If anyone is interested, I went to the local LDS Bookstore, Moon = Book's (it=20 used to be a Deseret Book Store, but they sold out to Moon -- I believe = he had a=20 store before Deseret Book came into town anyway), and found some used = books. I=20 was very curious about prices, so made the following comparisons:
 

TITLE

DALLAS = STORE

ABE

DESERET = BOOK

AMAZON

Mormon Docterine =96 1st=20 ed.

$875 =96 uncertain if it has=20 dustjacket

$295 - $600

None

None

Selected = Manifestations

$750

$585 - $625

None

None

Fate of the Persecuters =96=20 1st

$85

$63 - $65

None

$43 - $59

Bruce R. McConkie bio by=20 Eborn

$9.95

$15 - $29.95

None

$27.97 - = $29.97

Message of the J.S. Papyrus by=20 Nibley

$295.00

$100 - $190

None

$195 -=20 $200

 
I don't think I'll be using this source for rare books very soon. = I'm ready=20 to conclude that he really doesn't want to sell these books, but likes = showing=20 them off. Some were in a glass topped coffee table by occasional chairs = he uses=20 for a reading area.
 
He also had some leather bound titles that he won't allow customers = to=20 examine, but Moon was in Utah, and his staff had no idea how much he = wanted for=20 them.
 
However, if anyone wants a copy of the McConkie biography, this is = a good=20 source. He had several copies I believe still in plastic wrappers.
 
I'm still looking for good stores in this area, so if you have any = ideas,=20 I'd really welcome them.
 
I understand a famous author has several warehouses of books about = 120=20 miles from here. A friend from work went there and his biggest comment = was that=20 they were unheated and it was very cold in them. I'm off there in the = next=20 couple of weekends.
 
--Steve
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