From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #956 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Tuesday, January 28 2003 Volume 01 : Number 956 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:38:59 -0600 From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Book Prices in Dallas The famous author you refer to must be Larry McMurtry and his store in Archer Texas. He also has a place in DC. McMurtry started as a book scout in the late 1950's or early 1960's. BTW, to everyone I know I recommend the book "Texfake" which McMurtry did the intro for. The book discusses the Texas forgeries that happened about the same time as the Mormon forgeries. Mark Edlund - -----Original Message----- From: Steve Eccles To: LDS-Bookshelf Sent: 1/26/2003 7:39 AM Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Book Prices in Dallas If anyone is interested, I went to the local LDS Bookstore, Moon Book's (it used to be a Deseret Book Store, but they sold out to Moon -- I believe he had a store before Deseret Book came into town anyway), and found some used books. I was very curious about prices, so made the following comparisons: TITLE DALLAS STORE ABE DESERET BOOK AMAZON Mormon Docterine - 1st ed. $875 - uncertain if it has dustjacket $295 - $600 None None Selected Manifestations $750 $585 - $625 None None Fate of the Persecuters - 1st $85 $63 - $65 None $43 - $59 Bruce R. McConkie bio by Eborn $9.95 $15 - $29.95 None $27.97 - $29.97 Message of the J.S. Papyrus by Nibley $295.00 $100 - $190 None $195 - $200 I don't think I'll be using this source for rare books very soon. I'm ready to conclude that he really doesn't want to sell these books, but likes showing them off. Some were in a glass topped coffee table by occasional chairs he uses for a reading area. He also had some leather bound titles that he won't allow customers to examine, but Moon was in Utah, and his staff had no idea how much he wanted for them. However, if anyone wants a copy of the McConkie biography, this is a good source. He had several copies I believe still in plastic wrappers. I'm still looking for good stores in this area, so if you have any ideas, I'd really welcome them. I understand a famous author has several warehouses of books about 120 miles from here. A friend from work went there and his biggest comment was that they were unheated and it was very cold in them. I'm off there in the next couple of weekends. - --Steve - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:03:58 -0700 From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Survey Did the inspirational book list get sent out? I didn't receive it. MBA - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:53:47 -0600 From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Phanton "First" Rick, Thanks for this most interesting account. This was a nice piece of detective work. One other interesting thing from last week was that the other 1st edition BOM for sale on ebay had a high bid of about $40,000. I was wondering if people think this represents the price that people are willing to pay for the 1st edition, or was this an aberration, i.e. maybe people were scared off because of the scam with the other BOM, or maybe the condition of this copy was below average. Any thoughts? Mark -----Original Message----- From: RickBook@aol.com [mailto:RickBook@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 7:26 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] The Phanton "First" In a message dated 1/25/03 5:59:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, ken@dreamgarden.com writes: << In regards to the Book of Mormon on ebay, I have very little to say other than the copy offered that had the auction shut down on ebay is the self same copy Rick Grunder sold about a year ago on ebay! I'm going to let Rick tell this story... >> Here is the long version. I have no short version. After reading Ken's post to the Shelf last Monday evening ("There are currently two Book of Mormons on ebay. . . ."), I went to the AOL Mormon section, which I hadn't visited for a few days. The moment I saw the small thumbnail picture of the book beside the link to its sale description, I suspected that something was rather too familiar for comfort. Sure enough! As the page opened, I saw several pictures which I took in September 2001 for my website listing of a decent copy of the 1830 Book of Mormon. I had completed the description and HTML presentation just in time to load onto my site on a Tuesday morning. That morning turned out to be September 11, 2001. Other stuff happened, so I waited a respectful two weeks before posting the item. The additional shock to an already lethargic economy meant that it took six months to sell that book, instead of the usual six minutes or six hours or six days. In fact, I decided to list it on eBay in the spring (2002). While the bidding did not reach the reserve of $65,000, the failed sale was followed by several communications from potential customers, and one agreed to the price and acquired the book. The book remains with the happy customer, in Utah. I amended the listing on my website to show that the book was sold, and left it there for the possible interest of customers (and for the obvious advertising value and glitz it might lend): http://www.rickgrunder.com/1830.htm The rest of the story must be speculation, but it seems transparent enough, I think. Disclaimer: The following is merely speculative fiction, designed to entertain. Any coincidence with what actually happened is mere luck: Someone out there in Cyber-land evidently secures bank accounts using false identities. I can just see him or her visiting their local bank branch office from time to time, making modest deposits and withdrawals, chatting up the clerks, and establishing trust and familiarity. They probably run a dozen such set-ups simultaneously. Watching the internet - either eBay or dealer websites - our perpetrator probably combines a careful sense of timing with a reasonable knowledge of collectibles in general - and good photo software skills. In the case of my Book of Mormon page on my website, for example, our "perp" did the following: 1) edited my pictures very neatly, removing the background material (such as the ubiquitous Grunder breakfront with its reddish mahogany shelf and marble counter top), and replacing it with a solid black background. In the case of a double-page spread done on the scanner, showing the beginning of the Book of Alma, the left-hand side of the picture was removed, showing only the Alma page. This editing was so clean that I might have done it myself . 2) edited my typical, excessively verbose description down to an absolute bare-bones entry such as one might find in a normal rare book catalog [!]. In the process, however, the perp made one tactical error. He/she tried to come across as a regular guy/gal who just happened to inherit the book, saying it had been in the family for more than 100 years (untrue! untrue! It was in a California collection for decades, then in my possession for six months). YET, our folksy friend forgot to change my square brackets in the collation, describing the two final unnumbered pages of the Book of Mormon. Now, how likely would it be for Joe or Cathy Homeowner to describe a family heirloom as "588, [2] pp, . . ." ? No way. But ooops! Didja notice? They forgot the period after the second "p." Tch! tch! Or, a nice, homely touch. 3) exercised bibliographic creativity, upgrading "my" copy, which I describe on the website as having . . . "One original blank flyleaf at the front, and three at the back (of a possible two at the front and three at the back)." Sure enough, our discriminating perp goes for the gold: "It is complete with 588 pages, two blank flyleaf's in the front, and three in the back." Again, notice the charming homeliness of "flyleaf's," including the golly gee-whiz superfluous apostrophe. But our perp is more ambitious than I have credited. He/she has browsed several listings on eBay, and gleaned phrases which I don't use: ". . . This is the only edition to include the 2 page preface. . . . This book makes an excellent investment opportunity . . ." I was not able to reach my customer immediately, to confirm absolutely that he had not sold this book to another party in the last year. However, there were several suspicious tip-offs that this was a phantom book being offered on eBay in order to defraud someone out of a sum sufficient to feed both my nephews for an entire weekend. To wit: A - It was only a five-day sale, allowing little time for people to notice what was going on or to make a connection with my "donor site." The five days ended on a Wednesday, allowing just enough time to carry the charade to the weekend, with extra time to take the wired money and run. B - It was one of those anonymous sales, whereby the public could not evaluate who was bidding, or warn the bidders that they were being defrauded. C - The "seller" perp stipulated that payment could only be made by wire transfer. The better to eat and run, my dear! "Dear Mr. Victim: Your wire transfer arrived and cleared this afternoon. Since it is Friday, I will send your book by Registered Mail first thing Monday morning. Please watch for it and let me know the moment it arrives. I know you will treasure this family heirloom for generations to come!" D - The reserve was set very low, somewhere between $32,000 and $35,200 dollars (the price it had attained by the time I first saw the listing on eBay). High enough to sound real, but too low to ignore. As it turns out, a helpful stranger called me from Washington State to warm me of the pirating from my site. He told me that he had found an earlier sale on ebay by the same friendly sounding perp ("autumntwighlight1981," in Virginia, supposedly) which went full course, selling two very valuable [phantom] baseball cards for thousands of dollars, yet lower than the same real cards sold on the legitimate site from which the phantom info was pirated. So, one more racket to watch out for! The above, remember, is merely fiction to entertain. I wouldn't dream of accusing autumntwighlight1981 or an other party of committing an actual crime or deceit. My customer, who actually owns the real 1830 Book of Mormon, finally got my e-mail and replied: "Thank you for letting me know about this. I would have loved to buy another 'exact' copy for that price! Again it is nice to have friends in the world. Have a great day . . ." Glad to oblige! Rick Grunder Rick Grunder - Books We describe 'em, you sell 'em - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:24:36 -0700 From: "ROY SCHMIDT" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Stealing Stolen Books Both of these stories are fascinating, and raises a question. Ken, what precautions do you take against buying stolen goods? Roy Schmidt >>> ken@dreamgarden.com 01/25/03 03:58PM >>> Keith, I have a section in my store labeled MORMONS, MURDER & MADNESS, for books written on some of our more unusual episodes; Mark Hofmann, etc. In regards to the Book of Mormon on ebay, I have very little to say other than the copy offered that had the auction shut down on ebay is the self same copy Rick Grunder sold about a year ago on ebay! I'm going to let Rick tell this story... Ken Sanders Keith Irwin wrote: > Honestly, I don't think you could write fiction more bizarre than what > happens in the world of Mormon books. We need someone to write the Mormon > version of "A Gentle Madness." > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sanders > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:13 AM > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Stealing Stolen Books > > The stolen book caper has taken a decidedly odd twist. One Jim Wardle > alleges that a former tenant has stolen a portion of his rare Mormon > book collection from two garages he owns. Wardle is claiming a > collection of some 10,000 volumes, of which he alleges between 1000-2000 > volumes have been stolen, allegedly by a former tenant. > > A police detective and Jim Wardle came to my shop with a milk crate full > of books. I estimated the books as being worth approximately $1,000. > The allegedly stolen books have been showing up in area book shops. > > > With Wardle's permission I offered to publicise the theft and did so to > this list. I learned from that post that Jim Wardle was an alleged > notorious book thief going back 15 and 25 years ago and allegedly stole > significant quantities of rare Mormon books from Desert Book and Utah > State University. Others on this list will have more details on these > events than I. The police have confirmed these events and a pattern of > arrest records for Jim Wardle and his progeny. > > Ken Sanders > > Edlund, Mark J wrote: > > >> >>Ken, >> >>Earlier in the week you wrote about some guys book collection being >> > stolen. Any more news on that? Also, what about the BOM on ebay that you > mentioned? I noted that all of sudden one of them up for sale was taken > off. Any idea what happened? > >>Mark >> >> >> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------- >>- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >>- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >>- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >>- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" >> >> >> >> > > - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:03:01 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Irwin Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Survey It was a long list (with very little agreement.) When I put it into html it turned out to be too many characters and was kicked back from the server. I'll have to reformat and send again. Keith - -------Original Message------- From: Morgan Adair Sent: 01/26/03 10:03 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Survey > > Did the inspirational book list get sent out? I didn't receive it. MBA - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:11:08 -0600 From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Survey This was the category I had the most difficulty with. In all the other categories I had no problem coming up with 3 titles, but I was kind of stumped in this category. Finally I asked myself "Who has been the most inspirational church speaker or writer you have heard or read". The name that immediately came to mind was Elder Paul Dunn. However, it was difficult to pick one of his titles. This was complicated by the fact that much of his best stuff was just on tape. Finally I settled on his talk "World War II Experiences", which is only on tape. However, I also listed one of his articles in the New Era that dealt with the same material. Mark Edlund -----Original Message----- From: Keith Irwin [mailto:irwinkw@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 3:03 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Survey It was a long list (with very little agreement.) When I put it into html it turned out to be too many characters and was kicked back from the server. I'll have to reformat and send again. Keith - -------Original Message------- From: Morgan Adair Sent: 01/26/03 10:03 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Survey > > Did the inspirational book list get sent out? I didn't receive it. MBA - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:22:19 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] First Edition on eBay In a message dated 1/27/03 10:54:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: << One other interesting thing from last week was that the other 1st edition BOM for sale on ebay had a high bid of about $40,000. I was wondering if people think this represents the price that people are willing to pay for the 1st edition, or was this an aberration, i.e. maybe people were scared off because of the scam with the other BOM, or maybe the condition of this copy was below average. Any thoughts? >> In such a relatively small collecting area as first-edition Books of Mormon, one or two exceptions or unusual circumstances can easily upset normal trends or expected bidding patterns. For that reason, I doubt that it is possible to suggest a general trend from a sale like this. Here are some factors which may help us to approach some perspective: 1) eBay is not the most sophisticated arena, nor the one most favored by the truly affluent or even traditional collectors. 2) The copy offered on that sale actually looked quite nice to me. But, the seller did not appear to have exerted or chanced the effort to make the book look its best. In the "privacy of my own home," for example, I think I could have had that binding looking much better in a couple of hours. When we are dealing with so much money, I think little things like that make a difference. I suspect, also, that the photographs or scans of the book's pages unnaturally accentuated the contrast, and perhaps made it look more foxed or unsightly than in real life. Again, to engage in such expensive sales, one has to care enough to learn how to use the photo software, I feel. 3) My gut instinct, without knowing who the seller was, is that this was a reputable person offering an excellent Book of Mormon. But the endless exclamation points in the write-up, the loud screaming typeface in the description headlines, and the like, just don't inspire confidence in someone contemplating a risk of so much money, in my opinion. It is like crying wolf. If it was a great book, like I suspect it was, I think a more dignified, self-assured, less desperate presentation might have been more convincing. And now an anecdote. Not long before that sale ended, I received a long-distance phone call from one of the most elevated and revered names in the world of rare Mormon books. The caller was not certain what to make of that listing on eBay, and needed to advise a friend who wanted to bid on the book. The caller and I agreed that there were several problems with bidding on the book. Primarily, we didn't know who the seller was, so we didn't know if we could trust his collation and examination of the book. What if the book should arrive, and page 343-4 had a large hole in the middle of it? What if the seller refuses to take the book back after the flaw was discovered? It is just took risky. If the seller is legitimate (and again, my instinct was that he or she probably is), then why hide behind an anonymous facade/screenname? For this reason, I have wondered lately if I should change my own eBay "rickbook@aol.com" screenname to my own name. For the time being, I make a point to tell my name at the end of each item description which I run on eBay. I advised the "elevated and revered" person to tell his friend to e-mail the seller, and ask if the seller lived within a hundred miles or so (which under the circumstances we thought might be the case). If the seller would let the potential bidder come see the book in person before the sale ended, with the "elevated and revered" person along for the ride to advise him, then the man could bid with more confidence. I didn't hear how that turned out. RickBook Neither elevated nor revered, but relatively happy - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:56:55 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] survey - inspirational books Here is the list. The first three items received 11 points. It was single digits from there. Inspirational The Miracle of Forgiveness - Kimball Believing Christ - Robinson Jesus The Christ - Talmage Standing for Something - Hinckley Approaching Zion - Nibley A Marvelous Work and a Wonder - Richards The Things that Matter Most - Bennion Voice of Warning - Pratt Hymnals - all editions The Abundance of the Heart - King Christ's Ideals for Living - Tanner Personal Writings of Joseph Smith - Jesse Teachings of the Prophet Jos. Smith The Best of Lowell Bennion - England On Wings of Faith - Babbel Visions of Zion - Morrison Letters to WW Phelps - Cowdery Eternal Man - Madsen He Did Deliver Me from Bondage - Harrison Why the Church is as True as the Gospel - England Elias - Whitney Journal of Heber C. Kimball Tolerance - Carmack Brother Brigham Challenges the Saints - Nibley How Can I Help - Bennion Teachings of Gordon B. Hinckley Four Essays on Love - Madsen On the Way to Immortality - Clark World War II Experiences - Dunn The Mortal Messiah - McConkie Encyclopedia of Mormonism All These Things Shall Give Thee Experience-Maxwell Poems, Vols I & II, Snow From Quaker to Latter-day Saint - Arrington Spencer W. Kimball - Kimball Neal Maxwell Quotebook Lighten Up! Okazaki The Collected Works of Hugh Nibley Making Peace - England Unlocking the Powers of Faith - Allred Adventures of a Church Historian - Arrington Gospel Ideals - McKay Divine Center - Covey The Articles of Faith - Talmage Collected Works of Neal Maxwell - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:51:32 -0700 From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Survey >>> EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu 1/27/2003 2:11:08 PM >>> > >This was the category I had the most difficulty with. In all the other categories >I had no problem coming up with 3 titles, but I was kind of stumped in this category. >Finally I asked myself "Who has been the most inspirational church speaker or >writer you have heard or read". The name that immediately came to mind was >Elder Paul Dunn. However, it was difficult to pick one of his titles. This was >complicated by the fact that much of his best stuff was just on tape. Finally I >settled on his talk "World War II Experiences", which is only on tape. However, >I also listed one of his articles in the New Era that dealt with the same material. Sounds like the same line of thinking I went through. I even went to the BYU library catalog to see if I could find a Paul H. Dunn title that would rate as important. I found _I Promise You. . . I Challenge You_ that was pretty popular when I was a teen, and _The Ten Most Wanted Men_ that was popular among my parents' generation (published in '67), but nothing really jumped out at me. Maybe he should get a lifetime achievement award for his body of work. MBA - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:01:40 -0700 From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] survey - inspirational books Can I change my vote? I think I'd go with 1. Christ's Ideals for Living - Tanner 2. How Can I Help - Bennion 3. (tie) Four Essays on Love - Madsen Why the Church is as True as the Gospel - England MBA >>> irwinkw@earthlink.net 1/27/2003 9:56:55 PM >>> Here is the list. The first three items received 11 points. It was single digits from there. Inspirational The Miracle of Forgiveness - Kimball Believing Christ - Robinson Jesus The Christ - Talmage Standing for Something - Hinckley Approaching Zion - Nibley A Marvelous Work and a Wonder - Richards The Things that Matter Most - Bennion Voice of Warning - Pratt Hymnals - all editions The Abundance of the Heart - King Christ's Ideals for Living - Tanner Personal Writings of Joseph Smith - Jesse Teachings of the Prophet Jos. Smith The Best of Lowell Bennion - England On Wings of Faith - Babbel Visions of Zion - Morrison Letters to WW Phelps - Cowdery Eternal Man - Madsen He Did Deliver Me from Bondage - Harrison Why the Church is as True as the Gospel - England Elias - Whitney Journal of Heber C. Kimball Tolerance - Carmack Brother Brigham Challenges the Saints - Nibley How Can I Help - Bennion Teachings of Gordon B. Hinckley Four Essays on Love - Madsen On the Way to Immortality - Clark World War II Experiences - Dunn The Mortal Messiah - McConkie Encyclopedia of Mormonism All These Things Shall Give Thee Experience-Maxwell Poems, Vols I & II, Snow From Quaker to Latter-day Saint - Arrington Spencer W. Kimball - Kimball Neal Maxwell Quotebook Lighten Up! Okazaki The Collected Works of Hugh Nibley Making Peace - England Unlocking the Powers of Faith - Allred Adventures of a Church Historian - Arrington Gospel Ideals - McKay Divine Center - Covey The Articles of Faith - Talmage Collected Works of Neal Maxwell - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:05:08 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Survey Yet no one picked Fascinating Womanhood. I'm crushed! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Morgan Adair Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:52 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Survey >>> EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu 1/27/2003 2:11:08 PM >>> > >This was the category I had the most difficulty with. In all the other categories >I had no problem coming up with 3 titles, but I was kind of stumped in this category. >Finally I asked myself "Who has been the most inspirational church speaker or >writer you have heard or read". The name that immediately came to mind was >Elder Paul Dunn. However, it was difficult to pick one of his titles. This was >complicated by the fact that much of his best stuff was just on tape. Finally I >settled on his talk "World War II Experiences", which is only on tape. However, >I also listed one of his articles in the New Era that dealt with the same material. Sounds like the same line of thinking I went through. I even went to the BYU library catalog to see if I could find a Paul H. Dunn title that would rate as important. I found _I Promise You. . . I Challenge You_ that was pretty popular when I was a teen, and _The Ten Most Wanted Men_ that was popular among my parents' generation (published in '67), but nothing really jumped out at me. Maybe he should get a lifetime achievement award for his body of work. MBA - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:11:36 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] survey - inspirational books You're getting there. Christ's Ideals for Living was on my list. Easily my favorite lesson manual. I've often thought that pre-correlation lesson manuals would be an interesting collecting niche. While some, like the Seventies Course in Theology, are a bit pricey, many with excellent content from authors like Sperry, Talmage, Widtsoe, etc., can be had for a few bucks. Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Morgan Adair Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:02 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] survey - inspirational books Can I change my vote? I think I'd go with 1. Christ's Ideals for Living - Tanner 2. How Can I Help - Bennion 3. (tie) Four Essays on Love - Madsen Why the Church is as True as the Gospel - England MBA >>> irwinkw@earthlink.net 1/27/2003 9:56:55 PM >>> Here is the list. The first three items received 11 points. It was single digits from there. Inspirational The Miracle of Forgiveness - Kimball Believing Christ - Robinson Jesus The Christ - Talmage Standing for Something - Hinckley Approaching Zion - Nibley A Marvelous Work and a Wonder - Richards The Things that Matter Most - Bennion Voice of Warning - Pratt Hymnals - all editions The Abundance of the Heart - King Christ's Ideals for Living - Tanner Personal Writings of Joseph Smith - Jesse Teachings of the Prophet Jos. Smith The Best of Lowell Bennion - England On Wings of Faith - Babbel Visions of Zion - Morrison Letters to WW Phelps - Cowdery Eternal Man - Madsen He Did Deliver Me from Bondage - Harrison Why the Church is as True as the Gospel - England Elias - Whitney Journal of Heber C. Kimball Tolerance - Carmack Brother Brigham Challenges the Saints - Nibley How Can I Help - Bennion Teachings of Gordon B. Hinckley Four Essays on Love - Madsen On the Way to Immortality - Clark World War II Experiences - Dunn The Mortal Messiah - McConkie Encyclopedia of Mormonism All These Things Shall Give Thee Experience-Maxwell Poems, Vols I & II, Snow From Quaker to Latter-day Saint - Arrington Spencer W. Kimball - Kimball Neal Maxwell Quotebook Lighten Up! Okazaki The Collected Works of Hugh Nibley Making Peace - England Unlocking the Powers of Faith - Allred Adventures of a Church Historian - Arrington Gospel Ideals - McKay Divine Center - Covey The Articles of Faith - Talmage Collected Works of Neal Maxwell - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 8:57:19 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] survey - inspirational books You mean like a Congressman? You reserve the right to amend and add to your remarks? Actually, I think it would be interesting to see how the rankings would change if we all got the right to change our votes after seeing the results. I know I have a couple of votes I'd change. You don't have anything else to do, Keith. Right? Hugh > > From: "Morgan Adair" > Date: 2003/01/28 Tue AM 01:01:40 EST > To: > Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] survey - inspirational books > > Can I change my vote? I think I'd go with > > 1. Christ's Ideals for Living - Tanner > 2. How Can I Help - Bennion > 3. (tie) Four Essays on Love - Madsen > Why the Church is as True as the Gospel - England > > MBA > > >>> irwinkw@earthlink.net 1/27/2003 9:56:55 PM >>> > Here is the list. The first three items received 11 points. It was > single > digits from there. > > Inspirational > The Miracle of Forgiveness - Kimball > Believing Christ - Robinson > Jesus The Christ - Talmage > Standing for Something - Hinckley > Approaching Zion - Nibley > A Marvelous Work and a Wonder - Richards > The Things that Matter Most - Bennion > Voice of Warning - Pratt > Hymnals - all editions > The Abundance of the Heart - King > Christ's Ideals for Living - Tanner > Personal Writings of Joseph Smith - Jesse > Teachings of the Prophet Jos. Smith > The Best of Lowell Bennion - England > On Wings of Faith - Babbel > Visions of Zion - Morrison > Letters to WW Phelps - Cowdery > Eternal Man - Madsen > He Did Deliver Me from Bondage - Harrison > Why the Church is as True as the Gospel - England > Elias - Whitney > Journal of Heber C. Kimball > Tolerance - Carmack > Brother Brigham Challenges the Saints - Nibley > How Can I Help - Bennion > Teachings of Gordon B. Hinckley > Four Essays on Love - Madsen > On the Way to Immortality - Clark > World War II Experiences - Dunn > The Mortal Messiah - McConkie > Encyclopedia of Mormonism > All These Things Shall Give Thee Experience-Maxwell > Poems, Vols I & II, Snow > From Quaker to Latter-day Saint - Arrington > Spencer W. Kimball - Kimball > Neal Maxwell Quotebook > Lighten Up! Okazaki > The Collected Works of Hugh Nibley > Making Peace - England > Unlocking the Powers of Faith - Allred > Adventures of a Church Historian - Arrington > Gospel Ideals - McKay > Divine Center - Covey > The Articles of Faith - Talmage > Collected Works of Neal Maxwell > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ End of lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #956 ***********************************