From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #960 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Thursday, February 27 2003 Volume 01 : Number 960 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:51:28 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Ken Sanders & the Grapes of Wrath Bookshelfer Ken made the front page of the San Jose Mercury News today. Seems an eastern dealer sold a first edition of The Grapes of Wrath to a = guy here in Silicon Valley who paid with a stolen credit card number and = wanted the book shipped to the local Westin hotel. Reading between the lines, = I take it that the dealer (an ABAA member) smelled a rat and got in touch = with Ken who called the police here in San Jose. They told the dealer to = ship the book and they'd stake it out, which they did, and they nailed the = guy. =20 What Ken doesn't know is that the Chief of Detectives is my Elders = Quorum President. He is a big fan of John Steinbeck and his prized possession = is a 1st edition of The Grapes of Wrath. Further, in our last meeting, he = and I got into a lengthy conversation about book scams, especially involving = phony payments. This crook picked the wrong city to do his scam. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:41:17 -0700 From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Ken Sanders & the Grapes of Wrath Dear Keith, There's a story here but I'm not ready to tell it. As the security chair for the ABAA, i seem to spend most of my life these days dealing with stolen books, book fraud and forgeries in the book trade. Regarding the Grapes of Wrath, there were actually two stolen Grapes both from the same day. The one in the newspaper, an article we didn't want run because although we had the guy arrested, he bailed out and we would prefer any publicity be after he's had his hearing and is put away, but the reality is I have no control over that. When tracked down in the bay area by the reporter, i attempted to put as much spin on the story as possible and really was not forthcoming with the reporter. For reasons already stated, my goal is to catch a thief. It's a much more fascinating story than revealed so far and will eventually find its way into print. The second Grapes of Wrath involved a northern California bookdealer and a bay area thief and the book was in fact recovered and returned to the owner, as of last Friday, during the book fair. The Book of Mormon on ebay, a ba-zillion other cases of fraud, deceit and intrigue, God I wish I could tell, but not yet. Regarding the Dorothy Sloan Mormon Batallion diary auction, I hate to tell you guys but this item was not a secret. BYU and the UofU duked it out for sure, there were no other serious bidders; without them it would not have met reserve. And I'm sure the University would want you to know that the money expended on the diary came from a private donor and was not tax payer dollars. The articles in the paper have not made this clear and my guess is that the Utah legislature (currently in session) will punish the University for this misstatement. Back to the San Jose detective for a moment, Detective Kenneth Munson, of the High Tech Crime Unit of the San Jose California PD, I have nothing but high praise for him in this particular case (other than what he told the reporter, prematurely to my mind). It is incredibly refreshing to have a member of the law enforcement community take book theft seriously for a change. When I write this caper up, i think part of the title will be..."A Trilogy of Kens". (Ken Lopez was the intended victim of this scam). Oh, and I should add, that the alleged book thief, John C. Gilkey, of California, is in fact an alleged book thief, and is alleged to have been involved (allegedly) in numerous book frauds in California going back a number of years, and is currently on probation for writing bad checks to booksellers (this fact, not alleged). Govern yourselves accordingly, Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Keith Irwin wrote: > Bookshelfer Ken made the front page of the San Jose Mercury News today. > Seems an eastern dealer sold a first edition of The Grapes of Wrath to a guy > here in Silicon Valley who paid with a stolen credit card number and wanted > the book shipped to the local Westin hotel. Reading between the lines, I > take it that the dealer (an ABAA member) smelled a rat and got in touch with > Ken who called the police here in San Jose. They told the dealer to ship > the book and they'd stake it out, which they did, and they nailed the guy. > > What Ken doesn't know is that the Chief of Detectives is my Elders Quorum > President. He is a big fan of John Steinbeck and his prized possession is a > 1st edition of The Grapes of Wrath. Further, in our last meeting, he and I > got into a lengthy conversation about book scams, especially involving phony > payments. This crook picked the wrong city to do his scam. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:43:22 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Snow, oh! Quite a season here in the Northeast. Today, of all days, the heating company guys are here installing the new furnace, to keep my BOOKS warm. Snow picture at the top of the homepage . . . www.rickgrunder.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:21:17 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Snow, oh! I was headed to Des Moines. Airlines said they didn't have a plane available, would I be interested in a dog sled? I'm going to head to Los Angeles instead. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of RickBook@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:43 AM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Snow, oh! Quite a season here in the Northeast. Today, of all days, the heating company guys are here installing the new furnace, to keep my BOOKS warm. Snow picture at the top of the homepage . . . www.rickgrunder.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:24:47 -0600 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Snow, oh! Great photos, Rick. Thanks for taking this for the rest of us in the sunbelt. - --Steve PS It snowed in Dallas Sunday night, but didn't leave much on the ground at all and none in the streets. It's pretty civilized here, I must say. The roofs were pretty with snow on them though . kind of like snow in So. Calif. -- up on the mountains where you can visit it when you want to. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Snow, oh! > Quite a season here in the Northeast. Today, of all days, the heating > company guys are here installing the new furnace, to keep my BOOKS warm. > Snow picture at the top of the homepage . . . > > www.rickgrunder.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:54:35 EST From: BJRom@aol.com Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah - --part1_136.1b441879.2b8e919b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martino Publishing, known for its bibliographic reprints, has published a hardcover reprint of Douglas McMurtrie's "The Beginnings of Printing in Utah with a Bibliography of the Issues of the Utah Press, 1849-1860." It was originally published in 1931 in a limited edition of 160 copies and has never been reprinted until now. Martino just published an initial printing of 50 copies and sells them for $50. If you want more information on the book, you can go to the publisher's web site at: http://www.martinopublishing.com/mdescription.htm#mcmurtrieutah I have some copies available for $40 + $3 shipping, if anyone is interested. Brian - --part1_136.1b441879.2b8e919b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Martino Publishing, known for its bibliographic reprin= ts, has published a hardcover reprint of Douglas McMurtrie's "The Beginnings= of Printing in Utah with a Bibliography of the Issues of the Utah Press, 18= 49-1860."  It was originally published in 1931 in a limited edition of=20= 160 copies and has never been reprinted until now.  Martino just publis= hed an initial printing of 50 copies and sells them for $50.  If you wa= nt more information on the book, you can go to the publisher's web site at:=20= = http://www.martinopublishing.com/mdescription.htm#mcmurtrieutah

I have some copies available for $40 + $3 shipping, if anyone is interested.=

Brian


 - --part1_136.1b441879.2b8e919b_boundary-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:46:57 -0600 From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah =20 =A0=20 This is a very tough book to find in the 1st edition.=A0 It is nicely = printed, letterpress, in a slipcase.=A0 The original printing was 160, = but most of these went to institutions.=A0=A0 I would be surprised if = there are over 50 extant in private hands, and it is likely that the = majority of these belong to bookdealers.=A0 I have only seen 2 copies = for sale in the past decade--both of which I bought.=20 The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken = Sanders, when I upgraded.=A0 (Before I bought the book Rick warned me = that "the spine looks like hell".=A0 My current copy is pristne, in the = original slipcase.=A0 I got it at the Rosenstock sale. Anyway, it is good to see that Martino has re-published it, although I = would think that most of it has been superceded by Richard Saunder's = book.. BTW, this is my list of rarest/most valuable bibliographies on the = Mormons and Utah, done on the fly--let me know what I have left out. 1)=A0 Bibliotheca Scallawagiana=20 2)=A0 NYPL list of books relating to the Mormons=20 3)=A0 McMurtrie=20 4)=A0 Lynn Jacob's bibliography of Non-English scripture.=A0=20 Numbers 1 and 2 have no real bibliographical information that you can't = obtain elsewhere, although (1) is quite humorous in places.=A0 Charles = Woodward must have been quite a caustic fellow.=A0 (3) is a nice piece = of scholarship by one of the great Americana bibliographers of this = century.=A0 (4) is indispensable for what it covers. Other items in this genre that are scarce are the Eberstadt list on the = Mormons, and the catalogues from the Auerbach sale. Mark=20 =A0=20 - -----Original Message----- From: BJRom@aol.com To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Sent: 2/26/2003 3:54 PM Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing = in Utah Martino Publishing, known for its bibliographic reprints, has published a hardcover reprint of Douglas McMurtrie's "The Beginnings of Printing in Utah with a Bibliography of the Issues of the Utah Press, = 1849-1860." It was originally published in 1931 in a limited edition of 160 copies and has never been reprinted until now. Martino just published an initial printing of 50 copies and sells them for $50. If you want more information on the book, you can go to the publisher's web site at: http://www.martinopublishing.com/mdescription.htm#mcmurtrieutah =20 I have some copies available for $40 + $3 shipping, if anyone is interested. Brian - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:53:11 -0500 From: "Hugh Stocks" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah YES. I'll take one. I used this a lot in my earlier research, and I'd like to add it to my collection, even in reprint. Give my best to the Westerners. Hugh On 26 Feb 2003 at 16:54, BJRom@aol.com stepped forward and proclaimed: > > Martino Publishing, known for its bibliographic reprints, has > published a hardcover reprint of Douglas McMurtrie's "The Beginnings > of Printing in Utah with a Bibliography of the Issues of the Utah > Press, 1849-1860." It was originally published in 1931 in a limited > edition of 160 copies and has never been reprinted until now. Martino > just published an initial printing of 50 copies and sells them for > $50. If you want more information on the book, you can go to the > publisher's web site at: > http://www.martinopublishing.com/mdescription.htm#mcmurtrieutah > > I have some copies available for $40 + $3 shipping, if anyone is > interested. > > Brian > > - -- Hugh Stocks hstocks@fuse.net - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:20:20 -0600 From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] MMM Has anyone noted the astonishing number of works related to the MMM that have come out, or are slated to come out? (BTW, has anyone else noted that "astonishing" is one of Will Bagley's favorite words?) Here is what I count so far: 2 Novels--"Red Water" and "The Ferry Woman". I have not read The Ferry Woman, but Red Water is a great read, highly recommended by me and my wife. 3 history books--the bio of Klingensmith, Kent Fielding's book on the Tribune reports of the trials, and Will's book. 1 movie documentary--shown at U of U last week--anyone have a chance to see it? 1 play--I can't remember the title, but I saw it in LA a year or so ago. 3 re-prints of the Carleton report. One by Dave Hellyers at Bee Creek Books, one printed by the AHC as a seperate off-print, and one re-printed in the AHC series that David White did. Five other books are in the works that I know of: 1) Bagley's documentary history of MMM, to be included in the KITW series 2) The Turley/Leonard/Walker book 3) A history to be published by Knopf--according to Will, this book will make Will's look faith promoting 4) 2 books by the forensic pathologist who examined the MMM bones. Astonishing! Mark - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:29:46 -0600 From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] More MMM I forgot to mention that the John Whitmer Historical Association is doing a special roundtable session on the MMM at this years conference. As far as I know, Will Bagley, Rob Briggs, and Michael Quinn will be the discussants. The people from JWHA tried very hard to get one of the Turley/Leonard/Walker trio, or anyone else from the church, but each individual turned them down, or did not respond at all to the invitation. The word on the street is that is that the church folks, for whatever reason, will not appear with Bagley in public forums. In any event, it should be a dynamite event with a variety of viewpoints. As we know from Sunstone, Rob Briggs sees MMM differently than Will, and in the brief talks I have had with Michael on the MMM, it appears to me that he also departs from Will's interpretations. Mark - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:24:22 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: << The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken=20 Sanders, when I upgraded.=A0 (Before I bought the book Rick warned me that "= the=20 spine looks like hell".=A0 >> Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I listed th= e=20 three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that even th= e=20 Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My Protestant=20 friend quipped, "So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." RickBook - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:48:10 EST From: BJRom@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] MMM - --part1_94.34d624fd.2b8f9b4a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In fact, there's even a few more recent titles: Yet a 3rd recent novel--Marilyn Brown's _Wine-Dark Sea of Grass_ At least 2 reprints of John D. Lee's writings A weak follow-on to Backus's so-called biography of Klingensmith (Through Bonds of Love: In the Shadow of the Mountain Meadows Massacre) Southern Utah University's publication _A New Look at Old Sites on Mountain Meadows_ by Morris A. Shirts and Frances Anne Smeath (SUU Press announced this as "the first in a series of monographs on Mountain Meadows.") I presume the upcoming Knopf book you mention is the Sally Denton's. She published a 10-page article in American Heritage 52 (Oct 2001) that gave a flavor of what to expect from her. Mark, you mention two forthcoming books from the forensic pathologist. Why would there need to be two? Is one academic and the other for general readership? Brian In a message dated 2/26/2003 5:20:59 PM Mountain Standard Time, EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: > > Has anyone noted the astonishing number of works related to the MMM that > have come out, or are slated to come out? (BTW, has anyone else noted that > "astonishing" is one of Will Bagley's favorite words?) > > Here is what I count so far: > > 2 Novels--"Red Water" and "The Ferry Woman". I have not read The Ferry > Woman, but Red Water is a great read, highly recommended by me and my wife. > > 3 history books--the bio of Klingensmith, Kent Fielding's book on the > Tribune reports of the trials, and Will's book. > > 1 movie documentary--shown at U of U last week--anyone have a chance to see > it? > > 1 play--I can't remember the title, but I saw it in LA a year or so ago. > > 3 re-prints of the Carleton report. One by Dave Hellyers at Bee Creek > Books, one printed by the AHC as a seperate off-print, and one re-printed > in the AHC series that David White did. > > Five other books are in the works that I know of: > > 1) Bagley's documentary history of MMM, to be included in the KITW series > 2) The Turley/Leonard/Walker book > 3) A history to be published by Knopf--according to Will, this book will > make Will's look faith promoting > 4) 2 books by the forensic pathologist who examined the MMM bones. > > Astonishing! > > Mark > - --part1_94.34d624fd.2b8f9b4a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In fact, there's even a few more recent titles:

Yet a 3rd recent novel--Marilyn Brown's _Wine-Dark Sea of Grass_

At least 2 reprints of John D. Lee's writings

A weak follow-on to Backus's so-called biography of Klingensmith
(Through Bonds of Love: In the Shadow of the Mountain Meadows Massacre)

Southern Utah University's publication _A New Look at Old Sites on Mountain=20= Meadows_ by Morris A. Shirts and Frances Anne Smeath (SUU Press announced th= is as "the first in a series of monographs on Mountain Meadows.")

I presume the upcoming Knopf book you mention is the Sally Denton's.  S= he published a 10-page article in American Heritage 52 (Oct 2001) that gave=20= a flavor of what to expect from her.

Mark, you mention two forthcoming books from the forensic pathologist. = Why would there need to be two?  Is one academic and the other for gen= eral readership?

Brian

In a message dated 2/26/2003 5:20:59 PM Mountain Standard Time, EdlundMarkJ@= uams.edu writes:


Has anyone noted the astonishing number of works related to the MMM that hav= e come out, or are slated to come out?  (BTW, has anyone else noted tha= t "astonishing" is one of Will Bagley's favorite words?)

Here is what I count so far:

2 Novels--"Red Water" and "The Ferry Woman".  I have not read The Ferry= Woman, but Red Water is a great read, highly recommended by me and my wife.=

3 history books--the bio of Klingensmith, Kent Fielding's book on the Tribun= e reports of the trials, and Will's book.

1 movie documentary--shown at U of U last week--anyone have a chance to see=20= it?

1 play--I can't remember the title, but I saw it in LA a year or so ago.

3 re-prints of the Carleton report.  One by Dave Hellyers at Bee Creek=20= Books, one printed by the AHC as a seperate off-print, and one re-printed in= the AHC series that David White did.

Five other books are in the works that I know of:

1)  Bagley's documentary history of MMM, to be included in the KITW ser= ies
2)  The Turley/Leonard/Walker book
3)  A history to be published by Knopf--according to Will, this book wi= ll make Will's look faith promoting
4)  2 books by the forensic pathologist who examined the MMM bones.

Astonishing!

Mark


 - --part1_94.34d624fd.2b8f9b4a_boundary-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:01:59 -0700 From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah I still have the copy with the "spine that looks like hell" (actual insect chewed) as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160 issued. I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own to form an entire roomful of reference books. It's one of the few areas that I actually collect in, books on books. Oh, almost forgot Grunder's excellent work on Mormon Parallels. Ken Sanders RickBook@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: > > << The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken > Sanders, when I upgraded. (Before I bought the book Rick warned me that "the > spine looks like hell". >> > > > Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I listed the > three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that even the > Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My Protestant > friend quipped, > > "So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." > > RickBook > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:53:22 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah In a message dated 2/27/03 12:01:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, ken@dreamgarden.com writes: << . . . as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160 issued. I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own to form an entire roomful of reference books. >> Yeah? Well, my computer mouse is prettier than yours . . . Jealous in LaFayette - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:59:22 -0700 From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] MMM >>> BJRom@aol.com 2/27/2003 9:48:10 AM >>> > >Yet a 3rd recent novel--Marilyn Brown's _Wine-Dark Sea of Grass_ I'm halfway through another novel: _The Path to Mountain Meadows: From Sarah's Journal_ by Beth Shumway Moore (self-published) Like Brown's _Wine-Dark Sea of Grass_, the story focuses more on the romantic trials of a young girl in plural marriage than on the massacre. In fact, the first 2/3 of the book covers events in 1847-1852. The narrative then jumps to 1857. Most of the story is told in dialogue, even the exposition. People say ridiculous things like, "I don't believe I saw you in church last Sunday, when Elder Kimball came to present the name of Daniel N. Smith for a sustaining vote to be the new bishop, along with his counselors David Reeder and Martin T. Small." My review of Brown's book (for AML-List) was pretty negative--I'm going to have a hard time finding anything positive to say about this one. (The author's a distant cousin--I'll have to avoid family reunions for a couple years.) MBA - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:10:12 -0600 From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah Actually the spine doesn't look that bad, if anyone is interested in buying it from Ken. This is a tough book to find in any condition, and that is why I snapped up a less than pristine copy. But if it is for sell and you have the money, go for Ken's pristine copy. Such a copy of this book only comes up every five years or so, and this may even be a little optimistic. Ken, what are the seven Auerbach catalogues? I am only aware of five, all of which I have. There are the Parke-Bernet catalogues from 1947 and 1948, the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's, and the catalogue that Lin and Tucker Respess did. (BTW, you may not remember, but I believe I also sold you a set of the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's.) What else? Collecting books on books and bibliographies is also my one of my collecting areas, and is actually probably the strongest part of my collection. Two of my favorite items are (i) the 1st Edition of Plains and Rockies, the one with the facsimiles done in only 50 copies, and (ii) a Moroccan bound copy of the great desert bibliography The Enduring Desert. There were only three of the Moroccan copies, one for the author Eddie Edwards, one copy for Russ Leadarbrand (my copy), and I am not sure who the last one was for. Book (i) is not too difficult to obtain, although it is a little pricey--I got mine for about $500. Book (ii) is not utilized nearly as much as (i) by dealers, collectors, etc, but it is really a wonderful book for anyone who loves the Mojave and Colorado deserts. Edwards was the unparalleled authority on this book terrain, and The Enduring Desert was a product of his life-long love affair with the desert. BTW, does anyone on the list know when we will be seeing these books? 1) The new Arthur H. Clark bibiliography 2) The much anticipated, definitive Edward Abbey bibliography 3) The significantly expanded, definitive Mormon Parallels bibliography Mark Edlund - -----Original Message----- From: Ken Sanders To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Sent: 2/27/2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah I still have the copy with the "spine that looks like hell" (actual insect chewed) as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160 issued. I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own to form an entire roomful of reference books. It's one of the few areas that I actually collect in, books on books. Oh, almost forgot Grunder's excellent work on Mormon Parallels. Ken Sanders RickBook@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: > > << The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken > Sanders, when I upgraded. (Before I bought the book Rick warned me that "the > spine looks like hell". >> > > > Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I listed the > three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that even the > Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My Protestant > friend quipped, > > "So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." > > RickBook > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:54:09 -0800 From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah It is wonderful to see LDS-Bookshelf come up on my email. I had been excommunicated from the list shortly after in was reorganized. It had something to do with my comment about Hugh's pathetic John D. Lee "Mormonism Unveiled", but I have since seen the errors of my ways and repented.:-) I was wondering what the McMurtrie's have sold for lately? I had never heard of this bibliography before, and it sounds very interesting. Mark listed some forthcoming bibliographies. I was wondering if anyone has heard anything about Crawley's "Descriptive Bibliography" vol. 2? I am continuely in awe of the detail Peter has given us. I will also add that Allen, Walker and Whittaker's vol. is one of my favorite tools. Joe >Martino Publishing, known for its bibliographic reprints, has published a >hardcover reprint of Douglas McMurtrie's "The Beginnings of Printing in >Utah >with a Bibliography of the Issues of the Utah Press, 1849-1860." It was >originally published in 1931 in a limited edition of 160 copies and has >never >been reprinted until now. Martino just published an initial printing of 50 >copies and sells them for $50. If you want more information on the book, >you >can go to the publisher's web site at: HREF="http://www.martinopublishing.com/mdescription.htm#mcmurtrieutah"> >http://www.martinopublishing.com/mdescription.htm#mcmurtrieutah > >I have some copies available for $40 + $3 shipping, if anyone is >interested. > >Brian > > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ End of lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #960 ***********************************