From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #961 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Tuesday, March 4 2003 Volume 01 : Number 961 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:47:28 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah I enjoy books on books as well. A memorable event was finding Dale = Morgan's personal copies of his bibliographies of the Mormon offshoots in a box = of stuff in a junky bookstore in Sacramento. They were a few bucks each. = I gave them to Hugh, whose worship of Dale Morgan approaches blind = idolatry.=20 Gary Kurutz's excellent annotated gold rush bilibiography is a personal favorite and has some great Mormon content. I have an extra copy still = in the box if anyone is interested. =20 Another favorite has no Mormon content - The Sotheby's catalog of The = Garden Ltd., sale, ostensibly the richest book auction ever. The introduction = by Haven O'More achieves a level of unabashed braggadocio matched only by = the website of a certain Midwestern "collector" of Mormon books. When Hugh and I reprinted Bibliothica Scallawagiana, we called it the = first free-standing bibliography of Mormon books. I know that Remy & = Brenchley included an earlier bibliography in "Journey to the Great Salt Lake" in 1861. Does anyone know of an earlier list of Mormon books? Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Edlund, = Mark J Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:10 PM To: 'Ken Sanders '; 'lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com ' Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of = Printing in Utah Actually the spine doesn't look that bad, if anyone is interested in buying it from Ken. This is a tough book to find in any condition, and = that is why I snapped up a less than pristine copy. But if it is for sell = and you have the money, go for Ken's pristine copy. Such a copy of this = book only comes up every five years or so, and this may even be a little optimistic. =20 Ken, what are the seven Auerbach catalogues? I am only aware of five, = all of which I have. There are the Parke-Bernet catalogues from 1947 and = 1948, the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's, and the catalogue that = Lin and Tucker Respess did. (BTW, you may not remember, but I believe I = also sold you a set of the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's.) = What else? Collecting books on books and bibliographies is also my one of my = collecting areas, and is actually probably the strongest part of my collection. = Two of my favorite items are (i) the 1st Edition of Plains and Rockies, the one with the facsimiles done in only 50 copies, and (ii) a Moroccan bound = copy of the great desert bibliography The Enduring Desert. There were only = three of the Moroccan copies, one for the author Eddie Edwards, one copy for = Russ Leadarbrand (my copy), and I am not sure who the last one was for. Book = (i) is not too difficult to obtain, although it is a little pricey--I got = mine for about $500. Book (ii) is not utilized nearly as much as (i) by = dealers, collectors, etc, but it is really a wonderful book for anyone who loves = the Mojave and Colorado deserts. Edwards was the unparalleled authority on = this book terrain, and The Enduring Desert was a product of his life-long = love affair with the desert. =20 BTW, does anyone on the list know when we will be seeing these books? 1) The new Arthur H. Clark bibiliography 2) The much anticipated, definitive Edward Abbey bibliography 3) The significantly expanded, definitive Mormon Parallels bibliography Mark Edlund - -----Original Message----- From: Ken Sanders To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Sent: 2/27/2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of = Printing in Utah I still have the copy with the "spine that looks like hell" (actual=20 insect chewed) as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a=20 personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160=20 issued. I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both=20 original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as=20 the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt=20 catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches=20 and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's=20 reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own=20 to form an entire roomful of reference books. It's one of the few areas that I actually collect in, books on books.=20 Oh, almost forgot Grunder's excellent work on Mormon Parallels. Ken Sanders RickBook@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: >=20 > << The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken > Sanders, when I upgraded. (Before I bought the book Rick warned me that "the=20 > spine looks like hell". >> >=20 >=20 > Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I listed the=20 > three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that even the=20 > Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My Protestant=20 > friend quipped, >=20 > "So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." >=20 > RickBook >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" >=20 >=20 >=20 - --=20 Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:48:04 EST From: RickBook@aol.com Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah In a message dated 2/27/03 11:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: << BTW, does anyone on the list know when we will be seeing these books? . . . . . 3) The significantly expanded, definitive Mormon Parallels bibliography >> Before I die, if I don't die tomorrow, or too soon thereafter. About 70 new entries last year (most of them several pages in length, each), and the entire manuscript now well over 1,000 pages in the large-type, computer-working format. Sigh. I'm starting to catch myself speaking in nineteenth-century style. Friends raise their eyebrows, then shrug it off to my Mormon background. Out here, people confuse "Mormon" & "Moravian" (and Idaho & Iowa) . . . RickBook - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:17:33 -0700 From: Ken Sanders Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah There is also a 1957 Sotheby's of London catalog that includes a consignment of Auerbach material from Mrs. Gerald Werner of New York (the heiress of the Auerbach fortune) and a 1960 sale as well. This is in addition to the two later Parke Bernet sales ; two in 1968 ane one in 1969. Oops, I'm checking a second bound set of catalogs and am finding yet another 1959 Parke Bernet catalog with some Auerbach material included as well. With the two original 1948-49 sales and the last Auerbach catalog of ten years ago (my father and I had that collection breifly and I brokered the sale to the consortium of dealers that catalogued the material under the Respess imprint) that takes the total up to nine I believe. The catalogs I have are from the Auerbach estate (my dad still has a large Auerbach collection) and have copious notes and handwriting in them. The two big sales for example, not only have the prices realized handwritten in, but the names of all the buyers; most of the legends in western americana at the time; Book of Mormons were $10, Book of Commandments (of which Auerbach had two; each one different) were $1000-$100 I believe. Lastly, My Edward Abbey bibliography, although the bibliographical work is complete, at least thru Abbey's death in 1989) lies unfinished. I need someone to give me a grant to enable me to take enough time off to hole up somewhere and finish writing it. It's a narrative bibliography entitled With Traven and Thoreau and I need to finish the essays. I have a 100 page handscrawled essay entitled R. Crumb meets the Monkey Wrench Gang, for example, that I really need to type and rewrite and revise. Ken Sanders PS: I do have a number of these Mormon reference works for sale in the shop if anyone's interested; including a set of Flakes, Auerbach catalogs, the McMurtrie, Crawley and a few of the others. Edlund, Mark J wrote: > Actually the spine doesn't look that bad, if anyone is interested in buying it from Ken. This is a tough book to find in any condition, and that is why I snapped up a less than pristine copy. But if it is for sell and you have the money, go for Ken's pristine copy. Such a copy of this book only comes up every five years or so, and this may even be a little optimistic. > > Ken, what are the seven Auerbach catalogues? I am only aware of five, all of which I have. There are the Parke-Bernet catalogues from 1947 and 1948, the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's, and the catalogue that Lin and Tucker Respess did. (BTW, you may not remember, but I believe I also sold you a set of the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's.) What else? > > Collecting books on books and bibliographies is also my one of my collecting areas, and is actually probably the strongest part of my collection. Two of my favorite items are (i) the 1st Edition of Plains and Rockies, the one with the facsimiles done in only 50 copies, and (ii) a Moroccan bound copy of the great desert bibliography The Enduring Desert. There were only three of the Moroccan copies, one for the author Eddie Edwards, one copy for Russ Leadarbrand (my copy), and I am not sure who the last one was for. Book (i) is not too difficult to obtain, although it is a little pricey--I got mine for about $500. Book (ii) is not utilized nearly as much as (i) by dealers, collectors, etc, but it is really a wonderful book for anyone who loves the Mojave and Colorado deserts. Edwards was the unparalleled authority on this book terrain, and The Enduring Desert was a product of his life-long love affair with the desert. > > BTW, does anyone on the list know when we will be seeing these books? > > 1) The new Arthur H. Clark bibiliography > 2) The much anticipated, definitive Edward Abbey bibliography > 3) The significantly expanded, definitive Mormon Parallels bibliography > > Mark Edlund > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Sanders > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Sent: 2/27/2003 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah > > I still have the copy with the "spine that looks like hell" (actual > insect chewed) as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a > personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160 > issued. > > I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including > > seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both > original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as > the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt > catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches > and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign > > scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah > > and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's > reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own > to form an entire roomful of reference books. > > It's one of the few areas that I actually collect in, books on books. > Oh, almost forgot Grunder's excellent work on Mormon Parallels. > > Ken Sanders > > RickBook@aol.com wrote: > > >>In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: >> >><< The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken >> > >>Sanders, when I upgraded. (Before I bought the book Rick warned me >> > that "the > >>spine looks like hell". >> >> >> >>Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I >> > listed the > >>three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that >> > even the > >>Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My >> > Protestant > >>friend quipped, >> >>"So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." >> >>RickBook >> >>---------------------------------------------------------- >>- LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books >>- To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with >>- "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. >>- For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" >> >> >> >> > > - -- Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:48:20 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah The new Arthur H. Clark bibliography just arrived today. It's a fine looking volume done in the traditional AHC style. 321 entries plus an additional section of books done under contract. There are lists of the various series. I enjoyed the interesting and at times intimate history = of the company, written by Bob. =20 AHC is producing 1000 copies of the trade edition. A hand sewn, leather bound "centennial edition" is limited to 100 copies. Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Edlund, = Mark J Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:10 PM To: 'Ken Sanders '; 'lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com ' Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of = Printing in Utah Actually the spine doesn't look that bad, if anyone is interested in buying it from Ken. This is a tough book to find in any condition, and = that is why I snapped up a less than pristine copy. But if it is for sell = and you have the money, go for Ken's pristine copy. Such a copy of this = book only comes up every five years or so, and this may even be a little optimistic. =20 Ken, what are the seven Auerbach catalogues? I am only aware of five, = all of which I have. There are the Parke-Bernet catalogues from 1947 and = 1948, the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's, and the catalogue that = Lin and Tucker Respess did. (BTW, you may not remember, but I believe I = also sold you a set of the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's.) = What else? Collecting books on books and bibliographies is also my one of my = collecting areas, and is actually probably the strongest part of my collection. = Two of my favorite items are (i) the 1st Edition of Plains and Rockies, the one with the facsimiles done in only 50 copies, and (ii) a Moroccan bound = copy of the great desert bibliography The Enduring Desert. There were only = three of the Moroccan copies, one for the author Eddie Edwards, one copy for = Russ Leadarbrand (my copy), and I am not sure who the last one was for. Book = (i) is not too difficult to obtain, although it is a little pricey--I got = mine for about $500. Book (ii) is not utilized nearly as much as (i) by = dealers, collectors, etc, but it is really a wonderful book for anyone who loves = the Mojave and Colorado deserts. Edwards was the unparalleled authority on = this book terrain, and The Enduring Desert was a product of his life-long = love affair with the desert. =20 BTW, does anyone on the list know when we will be seeing these books? 1) The new Arthur H. Clark bibiliography 2) The much anticipated, definitive Edward Abbey bibliography 3) The significantly expanded, definitive Mormon Parallels bibliography Mark Edlund - -----Original Message----- From: Ken Sanders To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Sent: 2/27/2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of = Printing in Utah I still have the copy with the "spine that looks like hell" (actual=20 insect chewed) as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a=20 personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160=20 issued. I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both=20 original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as=20 the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt=20 catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches=20 and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's=20 reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own=20 to form an entire roomful of reference books. It's one of the few areas that I actually collect in, books on books.=20 Oh, almost forgot Grunder's excellent work on Mormon Parallels. Ken Sanders RickBook@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: >=20 > << The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken > Sanders, when I upgraded. (Before I bought the book Rick warned me that "the=20 > spine looks like hell". >> >=20 >=20 > Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I listed the=20 > three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that even the=20 > Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My Protestant=20 > friend quipped, >=20 > "So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." >=20 > RickBook >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" >=20 >=20 >=20 - --=20 Ken Sanders Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA 268 South 200 East Salt Lake City UT 84111 (801) 521-3819 Fax: (801) 521-2606 http://www.kensandersbooks.com ken@dreamgarden.com - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:09:27 -0800 From: "Craig Smith" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah Hi- I too have just recently rejoined the shelf. I somehow lost connection after changing my internet provider; Hugh kindly reconnected me. I also noticed that the "List of Works in the NY Public Library" has recently been reprinted by Martino Publishers, Mansfield, CT (2002). The price appears to be $45. Though not rare and only a list, I have found Walgren's Scallawagiana Hundred very useful. I used it as a guide when I started collecting Mormon and Utah books about 15+ years ago. I am sure most would disagree with a few choices, but overall I think it is a great selection. I wish he had gone on to annotate it as promised in his introduction. I hope this little list has not been discussed recently on the shelf; forgive me if it has. Another great bibliography with lots of Mormon content is The Trail by Mintz (1987). I have been trying to collect those with Mormon content for over 12-13 years and still do not have them all. I have noticed some errors in the book as I have acquired them. Some of the ones I am still looking for are: Jane Wilkie Blood. Logan, J.P. Smith (1966) Thomas Stucki. Salt Lake City (1932) Martha Pane Thomas. Salt Lake City (1927) John Woodhouse. Salt Lake City: James Mercur (1952) Craig Smith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edlund, Mark J" To: "'Ken Sanders '" ; Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah > Actually the spine doesn't look that bad, if anyone is interested in buying it from Ken. This is a tough book to find in any condition, and that is why I snapped up a less than pristine copy. But if it is for sell and you have the money, go for Ken's pristine copy. Such a copy of this book only comes up every five years or so, and this may even be a little optimistic. > > Ken, what are the seven Auerbach catalogues? I am only aware of five, all of which I have. There are the Parke-Bernet catalogues from 1947 and 1948, the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's, and the catalogue that Lin and Tucker Respess did. (BTW, you may not remember, but I believe I also sold you a set of the two Parke-Bernet catalogues from the 1960's.) What else? > > Collecting books on books and bibliographies is also my one of my collecting areas, and is actually probably the strongest part of my collection. Two of my favorite items are (i) the 1st Edition of Plains and Rockies, the one with the facsimiles done in only 50 copies, and (ii) a Moroccan bound copy of the great desert bibliography The Enduring Desert. There were only three of the Moroccan copies, one for the author Eddie Edwards, one copy for Russ Leadarbrand (my copy), and I am not sure who the last one was for. Book (i) is not too difficult to obtain, although it is a little pricey--I got mine for about $500. Book (ii) is not utilized nearly as much as (i) by dealers, collectors, etc, but it is really a wonderful book for anyone who loves the Mojave and Colorado deserts. Edwards was the unparalleled authority on this book terrain, and The Enduring Desert was a product of his life-long love affair with the desert. > > BTW, does anyone on the list know when we will be seeing these books? > > 1) The new Arthur H. Clark bibiliography > 2) The much anticipated, definitive Edward Abbey bibliography > 3) The significantly expanded, definitive Mormon Parallels bibliography > > Mark Edlund > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Sanders > To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com > Sent: 2/27/2003 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Reprint of McMurtrie's Beginnings of Printing in Utah > > I still have the copy with the "spine that looks like hell" (actual > insect chewed) as well as a pristine copy in stock as well; plus a > personal copy in my reference library; this accounts for 3 of the 160 > issued. > > I also have all of the other catalogs Mark Edlund referred to, including > > seven different Auerbach catalogs; the limited leather Flake; both > original and hardbound reissue of Biblioteca Scallawagania; as well as > the New York Public Library's "William Berrian" imprint the Eberstadt > catalog; all three of Dale Morgan's Bibliographies on Mormon Churches > and offshoots; two of the four different versions of Lyn Jacobs' foreign > > scriptures books, and a number of other unusual Mormon/Utah > > and Western reference works. I purchased all of Kent Walgren's > reference library before he left for Paris and combined it with my own > to form an entire roomful of reference books. > > It's one of the few areas that I actually collect in, books on books. > Oh, almost forgot Grunder's excellent work on Mormon Parallels. > > Ken Sanders > > RickBook@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/26/03 6:47:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > EdlundMarkJ@uams.edu writes: > > > > << The first was sold to me by Rick Grunder, which I later sold to ken > > > Sanders, when I upgraded. (Before I bought the book Rick warned me > that "the > > spine looks like hell". >> > > > > > > Years ago, I tried to explain the Mormon hereafter to a friend. I > listed the > > three kingdoms of heaven, and their likely citizens, explaining that > even the > > Telestial Kingdom is supposed to be better than this life. My > Protestant > > friend quipped, > > > > "So you Mormons don't really have a hell - just Heaven-ghetto." > > > > RickBook > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > > > > > > > > -- > Ken Sanders > Ken Sanders Rare Books, ABAA > 268 South 200 East > Salt Lake City UT 84111 > (801) 521-3819 > Fax: (801) 521-2606 > http://www.kensandersbooks.com > ken@dreamgarden.com > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books > - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with > - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. > - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:31:41 -0800 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormons at Manila This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2E1CC.4B285E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I picked up a box of old Harper's Weekly and Frank Leslie's newspapers = which have Mormon content and woodcuts or engravings. The most recent is = March 25, 1899 and has an interesting piece on a Mormon battalion in the Philippines, something I've never heard about. =20 "While the Mormon leaders in Utah may be showing disregard for American sentiment by upholding the continued practice of polygamy and by = interfering in the affairs of the State, the Utah artillery at Manila is = demonstrating that, religion aside, the same patriotism animates the Mormons as any = other Americans. These two light batteries have proved most valuable to our forces in the three engagements which have marked the stay of our army = in the Philippines." =20 It goes on to describe several engagements with the Spaniards in which = the Mormons exhibited bravery. =20 "The commander, Major Richard W. Young, is a grandson of Brigham Young. = His services in the field have been recognized by promotion and his ability = in another field by detail as judge of the superior provost court in Manila represents the highest judicial authority of the United States in the Philippines.." =20 "Major Young is a graduate of West Point, having been Captain of Cadets = in 1882...He was chairman of the Code Commission of 1896 which preserved on = the statute books of that state the laws against polygamy and against living with plural wives. It is the latter statute which B. H. Roberts is = accused of violating, and which Mr. Roberts has said is "like the Connecticut = blue laws - not enforced." =20 =20 I knew about Richard Young and West Point but did not know that there = was an artillery battalion, largely Mormon, which he commanded in the = Philippines. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2E1CC.4B285E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I picked up a box of old Harper’s Weekly and = Frank Leslie’s newspapers which have Mormon content and woodcuts or = engravings.  The most recent is March 25, = 1899 and has an interesting piece on a Mormon battalion in the Philippines, something I’ve never heard about.

 

“While the Mormon leaders in Utah may be = showing disregard for American sentiment by upholding the continued practice of polygamy = and by interfering in the affairs of the State, the Utah artillery at Manila is demonstrating that, religion aside, the same patriotism animates the = Mormons as any other Americans.  These two light batteries have proved most = valuable to our forces in the three engagements which have marked the stay of our = army in the Philippines.”

 

It goes on to describe several engagements with the Spaniards in which the Mormons exhibited bravery.

 

“The commander, Major Richard W. Young, is a = grandson of Brigham Young.  His services in the field have been recognized = by promotion and his ability in another field by detail as judge of the = superior provost court in Manila represents the highest = judicial authority of the United States in the Philippines..”

 

“Major Young is a graduate of West Point, = having been Captain of Cadets in 1882…….He was chairman of the Code = Commission of 1896 which preserved on the statute books of that state the laws = against polygamy and against living with plural wives.  It is the latter = statute which B. H. Roberts is accused of violating, and which Mr. Roberts has = said is “like the Connecticut blue laws – not = enforced.”

 

 

I knew about Richard Young and West = Point but did not know that there was an artillery battalion, largely Mormon, which he = commanded in the Philippines.  

- ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2E1CC.4B285E70-- - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 11:41:49 -0700 From: "ROY SCHMIDT" Subject: Re: [LDS-Bookshelf] Mormons at Manila I believe a Richard Young commission, signed by McKinley, hangs in the Beehive House? Roy Schmidt >>> irwinkw@earthlink.net 03/03/03 10:31PM >>> I picked up a box of old Harper's Weekly and Frank Leslie's newspapers which have Mormon content and woodcuts or engravings. The most recent is March 25, 1899 and has an interesting piece on a Mormon battalion in the Philippines, something I've never heard about. "While the Mormon leaders in Utah may be showing disregard for American sentiment by upholding the continued practice of polygamy and by interfering in the affairs of the State, the Utah artillery at Manila is demonstrating that, religion aside, the same patriotism animates the Mormons as any other Americans. These two light batteries have proved most valuable to our forces in the three engagements which have marked the stay of our army in the Philippines." It goes on to describe several engagements with the Spaniards in which the Mormons exhibited bravery. "The commander, Major Richard W. Young, is a grandson of Brigham Young. His services in the field have been recognized by promotion and his ability in another field by detail as judge of the superior provost court in Manila represents the highest judicial authority of the United States in the Philippines.." "Major Young is a graduate of West Point, having been Captain of Cadets in 1882...He was chairman of the Code Commission of 1896 which preserved on the statute books of that state the laws against polygamy and against living with plural wives. It is the latter statute which B. H. Roberts is accused of violating, and which Mr. Roberts has said is "like the Connecticut blue laws - not enforced." I knew about Richard Young and West Point but did not know that there was an artillery battalion, largely Mormon, which he commanded in the Philippines. - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ End of lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #961 ***********************************