From: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com (lds-bookshelf-digest) To: lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #962 Reply-To: lds-bookshelf Sender: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-lds-bookshelf-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk lds-bookshelf-digest Monday, April 14 2003 Volume 01 : Number 962 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:08:37 -0500 From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Scallawagiana Hundred Prices Some of you are familiar with the Scallawagiana Hundred, 'A Selection of the Hundred Most Important Books About the Mormons and Utah', compiled by Kent Walgren and published in 1982. Essentially it is Walgren's list of collecting "high spots", and he also gives an estimate of what the book was worth in 1982. (Per Walgren, this is based on a VG to fine copy, intact, with Dj if appropriate, with without staining, extensive foxing, or other blemishes.) I highly recommend this small bibliography, as Walgren's taste is impeccable. I believe the Scallawagiana Hundred is also interesting because it allows us to trace how Mormon books have risen in price in the past two decades, and compare it to the Dow Jones, which conveniently, broke the 1000 barrier in 1982, and is now around 8200. (8.2 times higher than it was in 1982.) Here are the results for last twenty books in the list. First the name of the book, often abbreviated by me, then the price Walgren gives (he actually gave a range, and I use the midpoint), then the price I estimate today in 2003, and finally, what the book would be worth if rose at the same rate as the Dow. I think I have been quite generous with what I estimate the 2003 price as, especially given the recent downturn in Mormon books in the past couple of years, but please let me know if you think I underestimate (or overestimate). I welcome, and actively solicit, your input on the prices. For example, number 91 is the Journals of JD Lee, the Charles Kelly edition. Walgren estimates this at $200-$300, for a midpoint of $250. I estimate it is worth now $750. If the price for this item had risen at the same rate as the Dow, it would not be worth $250 multiplied by 8.2, or $2050. Book 1982 price 2003 price if rose like Dow 81 Story of the Mormons-Linn $62.50 $200 $512.50. 82. Smoot Hearings $375 $800 $3075 83. JS Jr. as Translator-Spalding $25 $75 $205 84. Jesus the Christ $112.50 $300 $922.50 85. Mormonis & Masonry Goodwin $37.50 $100 307.50 86. W. Clayton's Journal (1921) $55 $350 $451 87a. Utah Expedition-Gove/trade $62.50 $125 $512.50 87b. Utah Expedition-ltd $175 $500 $1435 88. UHQ $875 $3000 $7175 89. Comprehensive History-Roberts$150 $600 $1230 90. Revelation in Mormon...Arbaugh $62.50 $300 512.50 91. Journals of JD Lee--Kelly $250 $750 $2050 92. Children of God-Fisher Trade 37.50 $100 307.50 Limited $175.00 $400 $1435 93. Utah WPA guide $37.50 $100 307.50 94. No Man Knows-Brodie $40 $150 328.00 95. Bibliographies of the Lesser Mormon Churches-Morgan $30 $150 $246 96. MM Massacre-Brooks $40 $200 $328 97 Man, his origin...Smith $37.50 $100 $307.50 98. JD Lee Journals-Brooks $125 $275 $1025 99. Hosea Stout Journals $100 $225 $820 100. Flake Bibliography $80 $600 $656 - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:47:47 -0700 From: "Keith Irwin" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Scallawagiana Hundred Prices Looking at this, I'm not sure why I'm whining about my 401k and still = love my books when, according to your figures, I should be whining about my collection and raving about my 401k. Something is wrong here. Of course, you've chosen to compare to the greatest bull market in Dow history. I can't think of much of anything that can compete - even California real estate falls far short.. =20 My eyeball of the Scallawagiana 100 tells me that only four books can compete with this price run up: 1830 Book of Mormon selling today at a multilple of 12 1833 Book of Commandments selling today at a multiple of 40 1835 Doctrine & Covenants selling today at a multiple of 10 So I quickly discovered the moral in all of this: Collect books written by God and you'll beat the Dow. Collect books written by mortals and you're better off with Mamon. Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Edlund, = Mark J Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 5:09 PM To: 'Morgan Adair '; 'lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com ' Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Scallawagiana Hundred Prices Some of you are familiar with the Scallawagiana Hundred, 'A Selection of = the Hundred Most Important Books About the Mormons and Utah', compiled by = Kent Walgren and published in 1982. Essentially it is Walgren's list of collecting "high spots", and he also gives an estimate of what the book = was worth in 1982. (Per Walgren, this is based on a VG to fine copy, = intact, with Dj if appropriate, with without staining, extensive foxing, or = other blemishes.) I highly recommend this small bibliography, as Walgren's taste is impeccable. I believe the Scallawagiana Hundred is also interesting = because it allows us to trace how Mormon books have risen in price in the past = two decades, and compare it to the Dow Jones, which conveniently, broke the = 1000 barrier in 1982, and is now around 8200. (8.2 times higher than it was = in 1982.) Here are the results for last twenty books in the list. First the name = of the book, often abbreviated by me, then the price Walgren gives (he = actually gave a range, and I use the midpoint), then the price I estimate today = in 2003, and finally, what the book would be worth if rose at the same rate = as the Dow. I think I have been quite generous with what I estimate the = 2003 price as, especially given the recent downturn in Mormon books in the = past couple of years, but please let me know if you think I underestimate (or overestimate). I welcome, and actively solicit, your input on the = prices.=20 For example, number 91 is the Journals of JD Lee, the Charles Kelly = edition. Walgren estimates this at $200-$300, for a midpoint of $250. I estimate = it is worth now $750. If the price for this item had risen at the same = rate as the Dow, it would not be worth $250 multiplied by 8.2, or $2050. Book 1982 price 2003 price if rose like Dow =09 81 Story of the Mormons-Linn $62.50 $200 $512.50. =20 82. Smoot Hearings $375 $800 $3075 83. JS Jr. as Translator-Spalding $25 $75 $205 84. Jesus the Christ $112.50 $300 $922.50 85. Mormonis & Masonry Goodwin $37.50 $100 307.50 86. W. Clayton's Journal (1921) $55 $350 $451 87a. Utah Expedition-Gove/trade $62.50 $125 $512.50 87b. Utah Expedition-ltd $175 $500 $1435 88. UHQ $875 $3000 $7175 89. Comprehensive History-Roberts$150 $600 $1230 90. Revelation in Mormon...Arbaugh $62.50 $300 512.50=09 91. Journals of JD Lee--Kelly $250 $750 $2050 92. Children of God-Fisher Trade 37.50 $100 307.50 Limited $175.00 $400 $1435 93. Utah WPA guide $37.50 $100 307.50 94. No Man Knows-Brodie $40 $150 328.00 95. Bibliographies of the Lesser Mormon Churches-Morgan $30 $150 $246=09 96. MM Massacre-Brooks $40 $200 $328 97 Man, his origin...Smith $37.50 $100 $307.50 98. JD Lee Journals-Brooks $125 $275 $1025 99. Hosea Stout Journals $100 $225 $820 100. Flake Bibliography $80 $600 $656 - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:20:26 -0500 From: "Edlund, Mark J" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Scallawagiana Hundred Prices You could say that I am comparing the greatest bull market in Dow history, but you could also say that I am comparing the Dow at a time when it has been in a decline for three years. Further, you could also say that I am comparing what is likely the greatest bull market in Mormon books. So I think it is a fair comparison. I have also done a bit of work comparing prices from Eberstadt Catalogues (1930's and 1940's) and Auerbach catalogues (1947, 1948) to prices today, and over time the differences between the gain in Mormon books and the gain in the Dow becomes even greater (and in fact much greater). You are right that very few titles in the Scallawagiana have beat the Dow, and in fact most are crushed by the Dow. I think others besides those you name might have also beat the Dow though, such as Alexander Campbell's Delusions and Piercy's route from Liverpool. I should note that I only posted the last twenty titles, and I think that overall later titles have done worse as a group. I hope to get around to the other 80 sometime. Some of these titles are more difficult however, as they rarely, if ever, are bought or sold. For example, has anyone living ever seen a good run of the Valley Tan for sale? Is anyone alive who has ever seen a complete run of the first edition of The Evening and Morning Star for sale? Finally, a question for keith re his theory of books by God, versus books by man theory: How does it account for the high price of Sex Life of Brigham Young (g)? Mark - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Irwin To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Sent: 4/12/2003 9:47 PM Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Scallawagiana Hundred Prices Looking at this, I'm not sure why I'm whining about my 401k and still love my books when, according to your figures, I should be whining about my collection and raving about my 401k. Something is wrong here. Of course, you've chosen to compare to the greatest bull market in Dow history. I can't think of much of anything that can compete - even California real estate falls far short.. My eyeball of the Scallawagiana 100 tells me that only four books can compete with this price run up: 1830 Book of Mormon selling today at a multilple of 12 1833 Book of Commandments selling today at a multiple of 40 1835 Doctrine & Covenants selling today at a multiple of 10 So I quickly discovered the moral in all of this: Collect books written by God and you'll beat the Dow. Collect books written by mortals and you're better off with Mamon. Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Edlund, Mark J Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 5:09 PM To: 'Morgan Adair '; 'lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com ' Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Scallawagiana Hundred Prices Some of you are familiar with the Scallawagiana Hundred, 'A Selection of the Hundred Most Important Books About the Mormons and Utah', compiled by Kent Walgren and published in 1982. Essentially it is Walgren's list of collecting "high spots", and he also gives an estimate of what the book was worth in 1982. (Per Walgren, this is based on a VG to fine copy, intact, with Dj if appropriate, with without staining, extensive foxing, or other blemishes.) I highly recommend this small bibliography, as Walgren's taste is impeccable. I believe the Scallawagiana Hundred is also interesting because it allows us to trace how Mormon books have risen in price in the past two decades, and compare it to the Dow Jones, which conveniently, broke the 1000 barrier in 1982, and is now around 8200. (8.2 times higher than it was in 1982.) Here are the results for last twenty books in the list. First the name of the book, often abbreviated by me, then the price Walgren gives (he actually gave a range, and I use the midpoint), then the price I estimate today in 2003, and finally, what the book would be worth if rose at the same rate as the Dow. I think I have been quite generous with what I estimate the 2003 price as, especially given the recent downturn in Mormon books in the past couple of years, but please let me know if you think I underestimate (or overestimate). I welcome, and actively solicit, your input on the prices. For example, number 91 is the Journals of JD Lee, the Charles Kelly edition. Walgren estimates this at $200-$300, for a midpoint of $250. I estimate it is worth now $750. If the price for this item had risen at the same rate as the Dow, it would not be worth $250 multiplied by 8.2, or $2050. Book 1982 price 2003 price if rose like Dow 81 Story of the Mormons-Linn $62.50 $200 $512.50. 82. Smoot Hearings $375 $800 $3075 83. JS Jr. as Translator-Spalding $25 $75 $205 84. Jesus the Christ $112.50 $300 $922.50 85. Mormonis & Masonry Goodwin $37.50 $100 307.50 86. W. Clayton's Journal (1921) $55 $350 $451 87a. Utah Expedition-Gove/trade $62.50 $125 $512.50 87b. Utah Expedition-ltd $175 $500 $1435 88. UHQ $875 $3000 $7175 89. Comprehensive History-Roberts$150 $600 $1230 90. Revelation in Mormon...Arbaugh $62.50 $300 512.50 91. Journals of JD Lee--Kelly $250 $750 $2050 92. Children of God-Fisher Trade 37.50 $100 307.50 Limited $175.00 $400 $1435 93. Utah WPA guide $37.50 $100 307.50 94. No Man Knows-Brodie $40 $150 328.00 95. Bibliographies of the Lesser Mormon Churches-Morgan $30 $150 $246 96. MM Massacre-Brooks $40 $200 $328 97 Man, his origin...Smith $37.50 $100 $307.50 98. JD Lee Journals-Brooks $125 $275 $1025 99. Hosea Stout Journals $100 $225 $820 100. Flake Bibliography $80 $600 $656 - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:14:43 -0700 From: "Joe Geisner" Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Scallawagiana Hundred Prices Mark, Thanks for the interesting post. As I thought about your post I wonder about my motives for collecting. I have tried to convince myself and Susan that I am not throwing money away, but having a hobby worth while, i.e. worth money! Realistically I think I have always known that it is just a hobby, nothing more. But this begs the question, “why do I collect?”. As I have collected I have evolved and my collection has evolved into something much different than I would have dreamed in the beginning. When I first began collecting, it was about the information. I really had a desire to know the doctrine and the history of the church that I belonged to and believed in. Price was an overwhelming factor in my purchases, I think $10.00 was my limit on a book. Price still is, but I am able to afford a little more than $10.00 per book. Ten years ago I would never have considered buying a leather book. I still see no purpose in buying a leather book just to own a leather book(Sorry to the leather god’s). I prize my cloth copy of "Wilford Woodruff" by Cowley equally with my leather copy of "Life of Joseph Smith" by Cannon, even though I know they have a different price value. Owning, touching, or seeing a book that has great historical value has now become as important as the information it contains. If the book is about a significant event and marks the beginning of thought on the subject like "Mountain Meadows Massacre" by Penrose then this book has a great deal of pleasure value for me. If the book was/is a suppressed book and it has interesting/significant content like John Lund's "Patriarchal Blessing" book or Cheney’s “Golden Legacy” it has lots of pleasure value. If the book is overlooked by the average person, but I have read something about its importance, this causes the pleasure value to rise. Many books fall into this category like "England's First Mormon Convert", or "Autobiography of Pioneer John Brown". If the book has an significant effect on people's thinking like Widtsoe's "Rational Theology", Robert's "Seventies Course in Theology", Talmages "Articles of Faith" and "Jesus the Christ", Pratt's "Key to Science" and "Voice of Warning", ect., these books are important to me as a collector. Then there are certain author's that I get pleasure from collecting such as B. H. Roberts and Juanita Brooks. As I learn more and develop my appreciation for books their influence on Mormon thought and their books magnify in importance. For me, having a 1st edition, significant edition, the book in a dust jacket, the book being in very good condition, the author’s signature all add’s pleasure value. I believe books are the knowledge we humans have chose to write down. The work and effort to make a book happen is important to me. I am constantly amazed at the sacrifice these author’s will endure to write a book for me to read. I just read in Dialogue were Newell Brighurst writes that he was paid $3,000.00 for his Fawn Brodie bio. or when Mike Quinn giving up a $1.00 per copy of “EM&MWV” so the buyer could pay less. These people deserve my respect and appreciation. It has been such a pleasure to get to know the author's & publisher's of the books I collect. One of the best of these times was when Will Bagley read part of "A Scoundrels Tale" to my children that was about their ancestor. It was an exciting moment for the kids, me, and I think Will. I hope this gives my kids an appreciation of their ancestors and Mormon heritage, and an appreciation for books. Joe >Some of you are familiar with the Scallawagiana Hundred, 'A Selection of >the >Hundred Most Important Books About the Mormons and Utah', compiled by Kent >Walgren and published in 1982. Essentially it is Walgren's list of >collecting "high spots", and he also gives an estimate of what the book was >worth in 1982. (Per Walgren, this is based on a VG to fine copy, intact, >with Dj if appropriate, with without staining, extensive foxing, or other >blemishes.) > >I highly recommend this small bibliography, as Walgren's taste is >impeccable. I believe the Scallawagiana Hundred is also interesting >because >it allows us to trace how Mormon books have risen in price in the past two >decades, and compare it to the Dow Jones, which conveniently, broke the >1000 >barrier in 1982, and is now around 8200. (8.2 times higher than it was in >1982.) > >Here are the results for last twenty books in the list. First the name of >the book, often abbreviated by me, then the price Walgren gives (he >actually >gave a range, and I use the midpoint), then the price I estimate today in >2003, and finally, what the book would be worth if rose at the same rate as >the Dow. I think I have been quite generous with what I estimate the 2003 >price as, especially given the recent downturn in Mormon books in the past >couple of years, but please let me know if you think I underestimate (or >overestimate). I welcome, and actively solicit, your input on the prices. > >For example, number 91 is the Journals of JD Lee, the Charles Kelly >edition. >Walgren estimates this at $200-$300, for a midpoint of $250. I estimate it >is worth now $750. If the price for this item had risen at the same rate >as >the Dow, it would not be worth $250 multiplied by 8.2, or $2050. > > >Book >1982 price 2003 price if rose like Dow > >81 Story of the Mormons-Linn $62.50 $200 $512.50. >82. Smoot Hearings $375 $800 >$3075 >83. JS Jr. as Translator-Spalding $25 $75 $205 >84. Jesus the Christ $112.50 $300 $922.50 >85. Mormonis & Masonry Goodwin $37.50 $100 307.50 >86. W. Clayton's Journal (1921) $55 $350 $451 >87a. Utah Expedition-Gove/trade $62.50 $125 >$512.50 >87b. Utah Expedition-ltd $175 $500 >$1435 >88. UHQ $875 $3000 >$7175 >89. Comprehensive History-Roberts$150 $600 $1230 >90. Revelation in Mormon...Arbaugh $62.50 $300 512.50 >91. Journals of JD Lee--Kelly $250 $750 $2050 >92. Children of God-Fisher >Trade 37.50 $100 307.50 >Limited $175.00 $400 $1435 >93. Utah WPA guide $37.50 $100 >307.50 >94. No Man Knows-Brodie $40 $150 >328.00 >95. Bibliographies of the Lesser Mormon Churches-Morgan >$30 $150 $246 >96. MM Massacre-Brooks $40 $200 $328 >97 Man, his origin...Smith $37.50 $100 >$307.50 >98. JD Lee Journals-Brooks $125 $275 $1025 >99. Hosea Stout Journals $100 $225 $820 >100. Flake Bibliography $80 $600 $656 > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:08:53 -0600 From: "Perooz" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Scallawagiana Hundred Prices Thanks to Mark Edlund and Joe Geisner for their interesting messages! Dennis "C" Davis - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 08:02:43 -0500 From: "Steve Eccles" Subject: [LDS-Bookshelf] Book Awards This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C30193.0FC95960 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00A8_01C30193.0FC95960" - ------=_NextPart_001_00A8_01C30193.0FC95960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There was an article on the SL Library Book Awards in today's Tribune: - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------- SUNDAY April 13, 2003=20 Historical Themes Dominate Utah Book Awards=20 =20 Winners of the 2002 Utah Book Awards were announced Saturday = at the Salt Lake City Public Library:=20 The fiction winner was Red Water by Judith Freeman, a book = that examines the Mountain Meadows Massacre through the eyes of three = wives of John D. Lee, who was executed for his involvement.=20 The Anthropology of Turquoise: Meditations on Landscape, Art = and Spirit by Ellen Meloy won for nonfiction. Nominated for a Pulitzer = Prize, the book explores the meanings given to turquoise throughout the = world.=20 Arcady, a collection of free-verse poems by Donald Revell, won = for poetry.=20 This year, judges added two new categories: books for children = and young adults, and "speculative fiction," which generally encompasses = science fiction and fantasy. The winner of the Utah Speculative Fiction = award, given to Archform: Beauty by L.E. Modesitt Jr., was chosen by the = science fiction/fantasy organization Conduit.=20 Charlotte's Rose, a young-adult novel about a girl coming West = with the Mormon handcart pioneers, won the children's literature prize.=20 The awards are given annually by the library-based Utah Center = for the Book; Utah authors who have published books in the 2002 calendar = year were eligible.=20 Judges have noted an increase in quality and number of entries = each year, said Chip Ward, Center for the Book director.=20 Quoting the judges, made up of library staff and previous = winners, he said, "It was a delight to read the books, and torturous = choosing among them."=20 -- Christy Karras=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =A9 Copyright 2003, The Salt Lake Tribune.=20 All material found on Utah OnLine is copyrighted The Salt Lake = Tribune and associated news services. 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There was an article on the SL Library Book Awards in today's=20 Tribune:
 

SUNDAY April 13, 2003=20

Historical Themes Dominate = Utah Book=20 Awards





    Winners = of the 2002=20 Utah Book Awards were announced Saturday at the Salt Lake City = Public=20 Library:
    The fiction winner was Red Water = by Judith=20 Freeman, a book that examines the Mountain Meadows Massacre = through the=20 eyes of three wives of John D. Lee, who was executed for his = involvement.=20
    The Anthropology of Turquoise: Meditations = on=20 Landscape, Art and Spirit by Ellen Meloy won for nonfiction. = Nominated for=20 a Pulitzer Prize, the book explores the meanings given to = turquoise=20 throughout the world.
    Arcady, a collection = of=20 free-verse poems by Donald Revell, won for poetry. =
   =20 This year, judges added two new categories: books for children and = young=20 adults, and "speculative fiction," which generally encompasses = science=20 fiction and fantasy. The winner of the Utah Speculative Fiction = award,=20 given to Archform: Beauty by L.E. Modesitt Jr., was chosen by the = science=20 fiction/fantasy organization Conduit.
    = Charlotte's=20 Rose, a young-adult novel about a girl coming West with the Mormon = handcart pioneers, won the children's literature prize.
    The awards are given=20 annually by the library-based Utah Center for the Book; Utah = authors who=20 have published books in the 2002 calendar year were eligible.=20
    Judges have noted an increase in quality = and number=20 of entries each year, said Chip Ward, Center for the Book = director.=20
    Quoting the judges, made up of library = staff and=20 previous winners, he said, "It was a delight to read the books, = and=20 torturous choosing among them."
    -- Christy = Karras=20
   
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I think my post gives some evidence that collecting is not really great from a financial standpoint, and if a person is collecting in order to finance their kids education, or their retirement, well, it is not really a very good idea. I think this is an important point, because especially a few years ago, when a few Mormon books were rapidly appreciating, it was easy to believe that Mormon books were a good investment, when in fact, they weren't very good for the vast majority of books. (Which raises another question. Now that a few of these books are at such high prices, can they continue to go up?) So if the answer to "why do I collect" is "because it is a hobby that I really enjoy", then that is great. If the answer is "because it is a hobby that I enjoy and I think it is a good investment", then the individual might want to reconsider, IMO. BTW, in the numbers that I posted I tried to be very generous on what the prices of books are today. I don't think you could get near those prices at auction, and I don't think a dealer could give you anywhere near those prices and still feed their families and pay their bills. Another tidbit I think is interesting, is this. If an individual bought a book using a credit card at 15% in 1982, and accumulated interest over the years at 15% and now finally paid it off, the person would be into the book $1600. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Joe Geisner [mailto:rbssman@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 11:15 PM To: lds-bookshelf@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [LDS-Bookshelf] Scallawagiana Hundred Prices Mark, Thanks for the interesting post. As I thought about your post I wonder about my motives for collecting. I have tried to convince myself and Susan that I am not throwing money away, but having a hobby worth while, i.e. worth money! Realistically I think I have always known that it is just a hobby, nothing more. But this begs the question, "why do I collect?". As I have collected I have evolved and my collection has evolved into something much different than I would have dreamed in the beginning. When I first began collecting, it was about the information. I really had a desire to know the doctrine and the history of the church that I belonged to and believed in. Price was an overwhelming factor in my purchases, I think $10.00 was my limit on a book. Price still is, but I am able to afford a little more than $10.00 per book. Ten years ago I would never have considered buying a leather book. I still see no purpose in buying a leather book just to own a leather book(Sorry to the leather god's). I prize my cloth copy of "Wilford Woodruff" by Cowley equally with my leather copy of "Life of Joseph Smith" by Cannon, even though I know they have a different price value. Owning, touching, or seeing a book that has great historical value has now become as important as the information it contains. If the book is about a significant event and marks the beginning of thought on the subject like "Mountain Meadows Massacre" by Penrose then this book has a great deal of pleasure value for me. If the book was/is a suppressed book and it has interesting/significant content like John Lund's "Patriarchal Blessing" book or Cheney's "Golden Legacy" it has lots of pleasure value. If the book is overlooked by the average person, but I have read something about its importance, this causes the pleasure value to rise. Many books fall into this category like "England's First Mormon Convert", or "Autobiography of Pioneer John Brown". If the book has an significant effect on people's thinking like Widtsoe's "Rational Theology", Robert's "Seventies Course in Theology", Talmages "Articles of Faith" and "Jesus the Christ", Pratt's "Key to Science" and "Voice of Warning", ect., these books are important to me as a collector. Then there are certain author's that I get pleasure from collecting such as B. H. Roberts and Juanita Brooks. As I learn more and develop my appreciation for books their influence on Mormon thought and their books magnify in importance. For me, having a 1st edition, significant edition, the book in a dust jacket, the book being in very good condition, the author's signature all add's pleasure value. I believe books are the knowledge we humans have chose to write down. The work and effort to make a book happen is important to me. I am constantly amazed at the sacrifice these author's will endure to write a book for me to read. I just read in Dialogue were Newell Brighurst writes that he was paid $3,000.00 for his Fawn Brodie bio. or when Mike Quinn giving up a $1.00 per copy of "EM&MWV" so the buyer could pay less. These people deserve my respect and appreciation. It has been such a pleasure to get to know the author's & publisher's of the books I collect. One of the best of these times was when Will Bagley read part of "A Scoundrels Tale" to my children that was about their ancestor. It was an exciting moment for the kids, me, and I think Will. I hope this gives my kids an appreciation of their ancestors and Mormon heritage, and an appreciation for books. Joe >Some of you are familiar with the Scallawagiana Hundred, 'A Selection of >the >Hundred Most Important Books About the Mormons and Utah', compiled by Kent >Walgren and published in 1982. Essentially it is Walgren's list of >collecting "high spots", and he also gives an estimate of what the book was >worth in 1982. (Per Walgren, this is based on a VG to fine copy, intact, >with Dj if appropriate, with without staining, extensive foxing, or other >blemishes.) > >I highly recommend this small bibliography, as Walgren's taste is >impeccable. I believe the Scallawagiana Hundred is also interesting >because >it allows us to trace how Mormon books have risen in price in the past two >decades, and compare it to the Dow Jones, which conveniently, broke the >1000 >barrier in 1982, and is now around 8200. (8.2 times higher than it was in >1982.) > >Here are the results for last twenty books in the list. First the name of >the book, often abbreviated by me, then the price Walgren gives (he >actually >gave a range, and I use the midpoint), then the price I estimate today in >2003, and finally, what the book would be worth if rose at the same rate as >the Dow. I think I have been quite generous with what I estimate the 2003 >price as, especially given the recent downturn in Mormon books in the past >couple of years, but please let me know if you think I underestimate (or >overestimate). I welcome, and actively solicit, your input on the prices. > >For example, number 91 is the Journals of JD Lee, the Charles Kelly >edition. >Walgren estimates this at $200-$300, for a midpoint of $250. I estimate it >is worth now $750. If the price for this item had risen at the same rate >as >the Dow, it would not be worth $250 multiplied by 8.2, or $2050. > > >Book >1982 price 2003 price if rose like Dow > >81 Story of the Mormons-Linn $62.50 $200 $512.50. >82. Smoot Hearings $375 $800 >$3075 >83. JS Jr. as Translator-Spalding $25 $75 $205 >84. Jesus the Christ $112.50 $300 $922.50 >85. Mormonis & Masonry Goodwin $37.50 $100 307.50 >86. W. Clayton's Journal (1921) $55 $350 $451 >87a. Utah Expedition-Gove/trade $62.50 $125 >$512.50 >87b. Utah Expedition-ltd $175 $500 >$1435 >88. UHQ $875 $3000 >$7175 >89. Comprehensive History-Roberts$150 $600 $1230 >90. Revelation in Mormon...Arbaugh $62.50 $300 512.50 >91. Journals of JD Lee--Kelly $250 $750 $2050 >92. Children of God-Fisher >Trade 37.50 $100 307.50 >Limited $175.00 $400 $1435 >93. Utah WPA guide $37.50 $100 >307.50 >94. No Man Knows-Brodie $40 $150 >328.00 >95. Bibliographies of the Lesser Mormon Churches-Morgan >$30 $150 $246 >96. MM Massacre-Brooks $40 $200 $328 >97 Man, his origin...Smith $37.50 $100 >$307.50 >98. JD Lee Journals-Brooks $125 $275 $1025 >99. Hosea Stout Journals $100 $225 $820 >100. Flake Bibliography $80 $600 $656 > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" - ---------------------------------------------------------- - - LDS-Bookshelf, information and discussion of LDS books - - To unsubscribe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with - - "unsubscribe lds-bookshelf" (without quotes) in the message body. - - For assistance, mail to "lds-bookshelf-owner@lists.xmission.com" ------------------------------ End of lds-bookshelf-digest V1 #962 ***********************************