From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) 30% Off "MoN" Date: 01 Aug 1999 15:34:47 -0400 Sean Granger wrote: > Dude, thanks for looking out for the list members, but PLEASE do a little more reading before you post something like this... as it's bound to cause mass hysteria ;) .... Sorry 'bout that! We MUST read the fine print! And, for those who missed the follow-up post, I did try to say that $11.88 was the their 30% discount which does NOT include shipping [which is ACUTALLY $2.98!]. [You may find a better deal somewhere else :)] S -- "D'OOOOHH!!!!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Coast" Subject: (orbital) back, plaid, clockwork orange. Special hi to Jon Green and Chime. Date: 01 Aug 1999 16:02:52 -0500 Hey people After a long absence I'm back on the list... I got my connection cut for huge phone bills but now I'm in the USofA on an internship. Hum. I got the plaid album in MP3 and on tape and my walkman is louder than my rio so the tape gets plaid :) a lot. I like most of the tracks... But I don't have the ordering or names so I can't give any real love/hates :( Being in america, I'v just seen Clockwork orange, so now I finally understand where that background music before the UK (and US?) gigs came from... good movie too. So I have to ask: if its banned in the UK then how did they get the music? l8r! SteveC ICQ UIN 14047829 PGP available mailto://steve@fractalus.com http://www.fractalus.com/fracsaver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam L." Subject: Re: (orbital) back, plaid, clockwork orange. Special hi to Jon Green and Date: 01 Aug 1999 22:14:41 -0400 Well after the sad death of Stanley Kubrick this past year... I read an article that in memory of his death the UK re-released his movie... A Clockwork Orange... so that is how they got a hold of it... anyways... I doubt it made a difference... They probably got a hold of it way before... -Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (orbital) Off-Topic : Clockwork Orange; etc. Date: 01 Aug 1999 19:26:45 PDT Hello Saints and Chimers ! :) Steve (the intern who just returned to the list) mentioned something about Clockwork Orange and how it was (or is) banned in the UK. My question is : Has the film been banned COMPLETELY in the UK ? As far as I know, the movie was taken out of British theatres back when it was originally released in 1971 (correct date ?) , but I thought that it was made generally available on VHS and DVD in the UK. I heard that it was banned because some hooligans had tried to re-enact the rape scene from the beginning of the film on a young girl. Apparently this had also happened with the UK home video release of "Resevoir Dogs" because of the scene with the tortured cop and the torn-off ear. BTW, an interesting note for those of you in the UK : This happens quite often in the US as well. The film, "The Program" was pulled out of theatres and re-edited for the home video release because of a scene that depicted three men lying in the middle of the road in traffic at night (which a few guys had attempted and were killed) . And the films, "New Jack City" and "Set It Off" were pulled from a few inner city theatres after reports of gun shots being fired by local gang members inside of the theatres. And I also heard a rumor that some people were stabbed in a theatre when the movie "Scream" was released. Anyways, I know that this probably doesn't interest some of you, so I will shut up now. But I was just wondering if Orange had been totally banned in the UK or not. Also, what is the "Plaid" album (Steve had also mentioned this) ? It sounds like Brown/2 to me, but it still doesn't make any sense. NOISEWERKER "The LBC show kicked ass !" NP: Art of Silence - Teach Me (Mantra's Clean and Serene mix) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Several replies (again)... Date: 01 Aug 1999 22:59:41 -0400 Pacific707@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone else out there crack up into fits of laughter while listening to > "I Don't Know You People?" > To me its a hysterical, malevolent, fun-house ride into weirdness. I always > end up laughing, or at least I have a big smile on my face. It really goes > over the top compared to what P&P usually do. > And you can clean the apartment to it! > I love it. I love the organ solos. The world needs more organ solos... (Of course, Orbital's big-beatish songs are always really cool. IDKYP just has a wonderful array of rock and techno elements.) Robert Schultz wrote: > > Ok, this may start an argument or something, so sorry about that, but > something just occurred to me today, whenever I play the Sniv album, I > always skip "I Wish I Had Duck Feet." I don't know why, I just don't enjoy > it very much. I mean, that is the only Orbital song that I skip. What is > everyone else's opinion of this track? That's one of my favorite songs. Call me weird, but the first two are the best ones on that album in my opinion. Of course, the entire album is all very good (except Quality Seconds, but that's implied), so it's really hard to say what's a favorite. About Duck Feet, listening to it now just to analyze. I guess I just really like the exotic beat and the simple yet elegant chord in the background is a nice touch. (I'm a sucker for majors and minors.) Aronne James Merrelli wrote: > > The only orbital tracks I skip are : Quality Seconds, the first > and last tracks on the Brown album (the ones that are just vocal > loops), the criminal justice bill mix of Are We Here. > Oh, and tracks 2-4 on MoN :( Sorry, I still don't like the new > album very much.... Like I said, I Don't Know You People is one of my fav tracks on MoN. I love the new album! Best one to date with a perfect marriage of techno and conventional instruments. I just wish that dissonance on Spare Parts Express wasn't on there. (Check 3:22/-6:45 to 3:37/-6:30 for an example.) No matter how hard you try, dissonance can never sound good in music. And the up/down slide sound that starts the song just doesn't work right. Otherwise, it would be another really good favorite of mine. Oh wow...I just found something neat with that song. It loops over itself perfectly! Try playing an MP3 with loop turned on... As far as skipping tracks: Speed Freak (Moby remix), when I actually listen to Orbital 1 (least fav) Sometimes Satan (kinda mindless to me) The two loop tracks, good the first time, pointless the rest Quality Seconds Steve Coast wrote: > > Hum. I got the plaid album in MP3 and on tape and my walkman is louder than > my rio so the tape gets plaid :) a lot. I like most of the tracks... But I > don't have the ordering or names so I can't give any real love/hates :( Absolutely love Not for Threes. Trying not to overplay it like I did MoN and Way Out. (Still love that song, though.) > Being in america, I'v just seen Clockwork orange, so now I finally > understand where that background music before the UK (and US?) gigs came > from... good movie too. So I have to ask: if its banned in the UK then how > did they get the music? Oh, you poor UKs! How is the censorship laws there? I didn't think it was -that- bad. Yeah, that's a Stanley Kubrick classic! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Off-Topic : Clockwork Orange; etc. Date: 01 Aug 1999 23:08:07 -0400 Juno Jackson wrote: > > I heard that it was banned because some hooligans had tried to re-enact the > rape scene from the beginning of the film on a young girl. Please! I could read a book and react whatever. Does that mean we should start banning books now? The US was/is having the same hysteria when two high-school Nazi-lovers shot dozens of people in a high school shootout. Now, Congress is blaming everything from video games to gun laws. > The film, "The Program" was pulled out of theatres and re-edited for the > home video release because of a scene that depicted three men lying in the > middle of the road in traffic at night (which a few guys had attempted and > were killed) . I call that Darwinism. Disney...errr...I mean Touchstone, doesn't have balls at all. > And the films, "New Jack City" and "Set It Off" were pulled from a few inner > city theatres after reports of gun shots being fired by local gang members > inside of the theatres. Again, no balls. The movie theaters are now carding people and enforcing stupid principles like "you must stay in the theater with your kids at all times". Excuse me, but I thought those were "guidelines" not laws. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) NP: Tsunami One Remix - Nothing Left CD1 (been playing the hell outta that CD) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: Re: (orbital) Off-Topic : Clockwork Orange; etc. Date: 01 Aug 1999 22:00:23 -0700 I don't know if this is PR for this link but is there a page for orbital bootlegs/imports/rare mp3s or cd covers? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Quality Seconds and MP3s Date: 02 Aug 1999 00:35:16 -0500 > Of course, the entire album is all very good (except Quality Seconds, but that's > implied) Okay, WTF? I love Quality Seconds! Why does everyone hate it? I know Sniv is all political, so QS is probably making fun of something or other; I just find it so bouncy and fun! Now, the real point of this post is: how do you put CDs into MP3 files? Does it take a special app? Does this cost money? Where can you download entire CDs? Should I buy WS-FTP? I'm so confuuuused! lol -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: Re: (orbital) Quality Seconds and MP3s Date: 01 Aug 1999 22:50:37 -0700 Also is anyone here good with soundforge? I recorded Orbital 07.23.99 in San fran (community service tour) but it was sooo bassy at the show it popped my ears... I am looking to tweak the wavs out a bit.. LMK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) Several replies (again)... Date: 02 Aug 1999 00:10:32 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > Like I said, I Don't Know You People is one of my fav tracks on MoN. I love the > new album! Best one to date with a perfect marriage of techno and conventional > instruments. I just wish that dissonance on Spare Parts Express wasn't on Conventional instruments? Funny, I don't remember Paul jamming on a viola or Phil wailing on a guitar during the concert I was at. -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: belboid@myremarq.com Subject: (orbital) clockwork orange Date: 02 Aug 1999 08:07:46 -0400 (EDT) To reply to whoever it was that asked about Clockwork Oranges availability in the UK - it was never actually banned, Kubrick withdrew it himself, but not unyil it had finished doing the rounds at the cinema, 72 or 73 I think. These being the days before video, the film had practically finished its commercial life (or so it appeared) and it wasn't actually doing very well commercially anyway, which is often quoted as the real reason for its withdrawal. On a vaguely linked note, the mighty Hawkwind also had to withdraw their utterly brilliant single, Urban Guerilla around the same time, cos of a spate of Urban Guerilla attacks on the UK mainland Quality Seconds? A work of genius. belbin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: (orbital) Adios Im Going To Detroit Date: 02 Aug 1999 05:18:57 -0700 Adios kids, Im off to Detroit for a few days!! .matthewford. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) {Orbital} The Font! Date: 02 Aug 1999 10:32:52 -0400 In a semi-related Orbital post, I've run across a Font face called Orbital! It's lovingly created by the folks at Chank Diesel, but as inthe real world is NOT free. However, If your curious, go to: http://www.chank.com and see the preview page of Font's, including "Orbital" Shannon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) MoN and instruments... Date: 02 Aug 1999 13:57:57 -0400 Dan Colquhoun wrote: > > Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > Like I said, I Don't Know You People is one of my fav tracks on MoN. I > > love the new album! Best one to date with a perfect marriage of techno and > > conventional instruments. > > Conventional instruments? Funny, I don't remember Paul jamming on a > viola or Phil wailing on a guitar during the concert I was at. Funny. I don't remember Paul or Phil jamming with a French Horn, but it was in Way Out. (One of my favorite parts of that song, too.) What's your beef? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Quality Seconds and MP3s Date: 02 Aug 1999 14:13:35 -0400 Marc Sawaya wrote: > > Okay, WTF? I love Quality Seconds! Why does everyone hate it? I know Sniv > is all political, so QS is probably making fun of something or other; I just > find it so bouncy and fun! QS is kinda like New Style. It pokes fun at the current pop music culture. I don't like either song, but it's a nice little political statement. > Now, the real point of this post is: how do you put CDs into MP3 files? Does > it take a special app? Does this cost money? Where can you download entire > CDs? Should I buy WS-FTP? I'm so confuuuused! lol Go grab CDex (http://surf.to/cdex). It's great at ripping and encoding at the same time, with CDDB support for those MP3 tags. For Linux, Grip works really well, too. Go find it with GCD on freshmeat.net. (It's in there somewhere.) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) MoN and instruments... Date: 02 Aug 1999 14:11:15 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > Dan Colquhoun wrote: > > > > Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > > Like I said, I Don't Know You People is one of my fav tracks on MoN. I > > > love the new album! Best one to date with a perfect marriage of techno and > > > conventional instruments. > > > > Conventional instruments? Funny, I don't remember Paul jamming on a > > viola or Phil wailing on a guitar during the concert I was at. > > Funny. I don't remember Paul or Phil jamming with a French Horn, but it was in > Way Out. (One of my favorite parts of that song, too.) What's your beef? Just making the point that except for a couple live recordings on this album and the drumming on one part of The Box, it's all been techno instruments. Everything is sampled. Yes, it's a sample of a conventional instrument, but to suggest that they're using conventional instruments in their music is just kinda wrong. They're still a techno act, and not a crossover like the Propellerheads or LoFi or Underworld (if you want to count voice as a traditional instrument). Isn't that a trumpet in Way Out? I know the horn has quite a range, I played first horn for about 4 years, but that sounded trumpety to me. NP: Goldie - Dragonfly. Ugh, I love this song too much. -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catinosboy@aol.com Subject: (orbital) winner Date: 02 Aug 1999 17:04:03 EDT of the "Are We Here?" American single is deekay@mail.dfu.de (need your name and address!!) Thanks for playing- hopefully more goodies to come. Brent Nashville, TN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) Quality Seconds and MP3s Date: 02 Aug 1999 16:48:17 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > Go grab CDex (http://surf.to/cdex). It's great at ripping and encoding at the > same time, with CDDB support for those MP3 tags. For Linux, Grip works really > well, too. Go find it with GCD on freshmeat.net. (It's in there somewhere.) Please, for the love of god, if you're going to start encoding MP3s, make sure you use Audioactive Production Studio or MP3 Producer Pro. If the software you're looking at using says Xing anywhere, run away screaming. I pull my hair when I get a Xing encoded MP3. It drives me up the wall. Check out www.dmusic.com/mp3board/messages/10506.html for a nice little technical ditty on why Xing makes your MP3s sound like they were encoded in a can. For linux I use cdparanoia to rip, it rips flawlessly with my crappy $20 8X, and ripperX is a nice GTK frontend to it. CDDB support as well, and it'll run your encoder for you. But I still encode under '98, because I don't know of any linux encoders using the fraunhofer codec (the one that audioactive and mp3 prod. pro use). Please, together we _can_ put an end to the shitty MP3s on the net ;) -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pacific707@aol.com Subject: Re: (orbital) MoN and instruments... Date: 02 Aug 1999 17:56:00 EDT They recorded their friend playing drums in a studio, sampled it and hacked it up in their samplers. No, there is no live playing on the performances but they did use real instruments for recording. I don't recall them using so many samples of real instruments before this CD. James # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) MoN and instruments... Date: 02 Aug 1999 18:53:18 -0400 Dan Colquhoun wrote: > > Just making the point that except for a couple live recordings on this > album and the drumming on one part of The Box, it's all been techno > instruments. Everything is sampled. Yes, it's a sample of a > conventional instrument, but to suggest that they're using conventional > instruments in their music is just kinda wrong. They're still a techno > act, and not a crossover like the Propellerheads or LoFi or Underworld > (if you want to count voice as a traditional instrument). Calling those bands a "crossover act" implies that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You want to call Moby a crossover act because he plays some of his instruments? It doesn't matter if it's played or sampled or recorded or if it came out of my ass, it's just a sound wave. A french horn sound is a french horn sound whether it came out of a keyboard or a actual french horn. Bottom line: what the hell cares where it came from?! Techno music is about the sound and style, not how it's made. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Quality Seconds and MP3s Date: 02 Aug 1999 18:56:05 -0400 Dan Colquhoun wrote: > > Please, for the love of god, if you're going to start encoding MP3s, > make sure you use Audioactive Production Studio or MP3 Producer Pro. If > the software you're looking at using says Xing anywhere, run away > screaming. I pull my hair when I get a Xing encoded MP3. It drives me > up the wall. Check out www.dmusic.com/mp3board/messages/10506.html for > a nice little technical ditty on why Xing makes your MP3s sound like > they were encoded in a can. Get your facts straight. CDex uses a choice of a few built-in encoders or one of your own (using codecs). Same with Grip. It has nothing to do with Xing. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pacific707@aol.com Subject: (orbital) conventional instruments Date: 02 Aug 1999 18:05:11 EDT >>>>>"Conventional instruments? Funny, I don't remember Paul jamming on a viola or Phil wailing on a guitar during the concert I was at." Wow! What a stupid statement! Does this person have any grasp on recording techniques AT ALL?? Duh. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (orbital) :-) Date: 02 Aug 1999 16:05:47 PDT "Watch those flames get higher and higher" ---- "Black Sabbath" by Black Sabbath Brendan, does this lyric remind you of anything at all ? :-) NoiseWerker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) conventional instruments Date: 02 Aug 1999 20:29:47 -0400 > >>>>>"Conventional instruments? Funny, I don't remember Paul jamming on a > viola or Phil wailing on a guitar during the concert I was at." > > Wow! What a stupid statement! > Does this person have any grasp on recording techniques AT ALL?? > Duh. Ooh, and look, there's another! And I'm writing one right now! Instead of criticzing, try educating. Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) Quality Seconds and MP3s Date: 02 Aug 1999 23:17:51 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > Dan Colquhoun wrote: > > > > Please, for the love of god, if you're going to start encoding MP3s, > > make sure you use Audioactive Production Studio or MP3 Producer Pro. If > > the software you're looking at using says Xing anywhere, run away > > screaming. I pull my hair when I get a Xing encoded MP3. It drives me > > up the wall. Check out www.dmusic.com/mp3board/messages/10506.html for > > a nice little technical ditty on why Xing makes your MP3s sound like > > they were encoded in a can. > > Get your facts straight. CDex uses a choice of a few built-in encoders or one > of your own (using codecs). Same with Grip. It has nothing to do with Xing. I think my facts are straight. The point is that people should use the Fraunhofer codec. Use whatever bloody frontend you want, it makes no difference (unless it rips poorly). Man, is there ever a comment made you DON'T jump all over? Are you this much of a pain in person? -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) MoN and instruments... Date: 02 Aug 1999 23:21:34 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > Dan Colquhoun wrote: > > > > Just making the point that except for a couple live recordings on this > > album and the drumming on one part of The Box, it's all been techno > > instruments. Everything is sampled. Yes, it's a sample of a > > conventional instrument, but to suggest that they're using conventional > > instruments in their music is just kinda wrong. They're still a techno > > act, and not a crossover like the Propellerheads or LoFi or Underworld > > (if you want to count voice as a traditional instrument). > > Calling those bands a "crossover act" implies that you don't know what the hell > you're talking about. You want to call Moby a crossover act because he plays > some of his instruments? It doesn't matter if it's played or sampled or > recorded or if it came out of my ass, it's just a sound wave. A french horn > sound is a french horn sound whether it came out of a keyboard or a actual > french horn. > > Bottom line: what the hell cares where it came from?! Techno music is about the > sound and style, not how it's made. The sound and style owe a heck of a lot to where they come from. This is why when someones cello goes missing that's worth $20k, it's national news. I call them crossover because they are, they cross the line between pure electronic acts and classical instruments. I call Orbital tecno because they are, they sample stuff and sequence and arrange it and otherwise use it in a very technoey way. Except of course for the odd track where the record the entire drum track or a whole lyrical arrangement. -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) MoN and instruments... Date: 03 Aug 1999 09:07:52 -0500 >Calling those bands a "crossover act" implies that >you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Here we go again........... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pacific707@aol.com Subject: Re: (orbital) conventional instruments Date: 03 Aug 1999 12:16:09 EDT You're right. If I offended anyone with my stupid knee-jerk criticisms I apologize. I shouldn't respond when I'm in a bad mood. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) conventional instruments Date: 03 Aug 1999 09:21:47 PDT This list is getting better by the minute. I think it's great that we are all understanding how to be respectable. After all, we should be after all the arguing. Just figured I'd give my input on that! Later! Rob _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) MP3s and instruments... Date: 03 Aug 1999 13:14:31 -0400 Dan Colquhoun wrote: > > I think my facts are straight. The point is that people should use the > Fraunhofer codec. Use whatever bloody frontend you want, it makes no > difference (unless it rips poorly). I used to use that codec (from the now-illegal "MP3 Compressor"). However, I noticed it would encode several songs improperly. For example, Lunatic Calm's Neon Reprise on 128 kbps sounds like crap with the Fraunhofer codec. Now, I use Blade's MP3 encoder, which is built into CDex, and it works great. The Fraunhofer may be a $10k thing, but it's pretty out-dated now. > Man, is there ever a comment made you DON'T jump all over? Are you this > much of a pain in person? What? Am I not supposed to defend myself when you accuse me of telling these people the wrong way to rip/encode MP3s, even though I have 2.67 GB of MP3s all ripped and encoded from about 60 CDs (and they all sound just fine)? Anyway, I'll calm down if you do. > The sound and style owe a heck of a lot to where they come from. This > is why when someones cello goes missing that's worth $20k, it's national > news. I call them crossover because they are, they cross the line > between pure electronic acts and classical instruments. I call Orbital > tecno because they are, they sample stuff and sequence and arrange it > and otherwise use it in a very technoey way. Except of course for the > odd track where the record the entire drum track or a whole lyrical > arrangement. Ummm...what the hell does a $20k cello have to do with this discussion? Again, who cares where the music came from? Under your definition, if Orbital decided to record MoN using half real instruments (for the conventional parts) and half sampled/keyboard instruments (for the techno parts), it would be a "crossover act", even though the album sounded EXACTLY THE SAME as the real MoN. It's illogical. No, a crossover act would be something like Sneaker Pimps or VAST or God Lives Underwater. Lo-Fi is funky bigbeat. Propellorheads, while they experiment with other styles, is mostly bigbeat. Underworld is in the Orbital/Plaid catagory, which most people call "IDM". No other musical catagory has classifications based around how it's made, so why start now? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Thompson Subject: (orbital) Autechre Hidden MP3 Date: 03 Aug 1999 14:59:46 -0500 Hey, Sorry for the delay on this...but i've had work and family vacations to deal with. Ok, here's the deal. I usually use WinDac to rip, but it does not even recognize the hidden track on ep7. So, I need a prog that can find the hidden track and rip it to .wav, unless anyone else knows a different way to do it. Well, any info on any progs you guys know of would be appreciated. I really want to do this....just need a way to!! Thanks!!! -- Don Thompson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) MP3s and instruments... Date: 03 Aug 1999 17:01:31 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > I used to use that codec (from the now-illegal "MP3 Compressor"). However, I > noticed it would encode several songs improperly. For example, Lunatic Calm's > Neon Reprise on 128 kbps sounds like crap with the Fraunhofer codec. Now, I use > Blade's MP3 encoder, which is built into CDex, and it works great. The > Fraunhofer may be a $10k thing, but it's pretty out-dated now. One could argue that MP3 itself is pretty outdated now, it's 10 year old tehnology, which in the computer industry is unheard of. Even if it's old, it still works the best. It's the only encoder that properly uses long, short and mixed block lengths. Also, it's developed by Fraunhofer, and this is what these guys do. There not some hack artists adding a codec in as an afterthought to a pretty, easy to use frontend. I've taken the Pepsi challeng myself with MP3s as my own test, and always picked the Fraunhofer one as the best sounding. > > Man, is there ever a comment made you DON'T jump all over? Are you this > > much of a pain in person? > > What? Am I not supposed to defend myself when you accuse me of telling these > people the wrong way to rip/encode MP3s, even though I have 2.67 GB of MP3s all > ripped and encoded from about 60 CDs (and they all sound just fine)? Anyway, > I'll calm down if you do. I never accused you of telling people to do it the wrong way, I was just making it clear as to what the right way was. It was my "The More You Know" for the week. > > The sound and style owe a heck of a lot to where they come from. This > > is why when someones cello goes missing that's worth $20k, it's national > > news. I call them crossover because they are, they cross the line > > between pure electronic acts and classical instruments. I call Orbital > > tecno because they are, they sample stuff and sequence and arrange it > > and otherwise use it in a very technoey way. Except of course for the > > odd track where the record the entire drum track or a whole lyrical > > arrangement. > > Ummm...what the hell does a $20k cello have to do with this discussion? Again, > who cares where the music came from? Under your definition, if Orbital decided > to record MoN using half real instruments (for the conventional parts) and half > sampled/keyboard instruments (for the techno parts), it would be a "crossover > act", even though the album sounded EXACTLY THE SAME as the real MoN. It's > illogical. No, a crossover act would be something like Sneaker Pimps or VAST or > God Lives Underwater. Lo-Fi is funky bigbeat. Propellorheads, while they > experiment with other styles, is mostly bigbeat. Underworld is in the > Orbital/Plaid catagory, which most people call "IDM". How the music is produced is very important in determining how it sounds. That's what makes techno sound techonoey, because it's made by machines. Listen to the Philip Glass Orchestration of Ventolin and tell me it sounds like techno to you. Listen to the original Ventolin and tell me it doesn't (well, if you can describe what it sounds like withouth the word 'awful', you get a cookie). And now we start catagorising music, it's definately one of _my_ favourite passtimes to show off my genre vocabulary. Even if LoFi is funky-bigbeat-with-a-lime-twist-and-a-cherry-filed-under-q by genre definition, what makes them a crossover is the fact that they are using conventional instruments (guitar, live voice) and the newer wave of instruments together. Although their use of guitar is debatable (I want video proof he played that during the set, because I watched, and watched close, and just don't remember him touching the damn thing), They are still crossing techno with non-techno, something the Prodigy got slammed for about two years ago. Even rock groups are starting to swing the other way, check out Limp Bizkit. > No other musical catagory has classifications based around how it's made, so why > start now? Why not? At least it's something easy to classify. Either they use the oldschool stuff or they don't. None of this wishy-washy 'it makes me think of this so it must be that' classification. NP: Vengaboys - Boom Boom Boom - Brooklyn Bounce rmx. 'Cus I can't wait to get the f**k back to school and blow off some damn steam. -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Instruments... Date: 03 Aug 1999 19:50:14 -0400 Dan Colquhoun wrote: > > How the music is produced is very important in determining how it > sounds. That's what makes techno sound techonoey, because it's made by > machines. True, but a exact representation of a conventional instrument on a keyboard still sounds like a conventional instrument. If the song -sounds- like techno, it -is- techno, regardless of the types of instruments used. This goes for sampled music, too. We know it's sampled because it -sounds- sampled. Drums in jungle -sound- like they are drum loops. They could be playing real drums, and if they manage to make it sound like drum loops, it's still techno. (Remember, EVERYTHING is sampled. People play their separate parts in the studio and it gets mixed in. Under your definition, everything could be considered techno.) The reason I'm so picky about the definition is because that's the same mentality that gives techno a bad rap. Some people accuse techno artists of lack of talent, just because they don't play instruments. Who cares? I'm happy as long as it sounds good and they aren't completely ripping off a song and putting words on top...oops, wrong musical genre. Anyway, the mechanics of how its made do affect how it sounds, but if somebody can pull off the same sound using conventional instruments, it's still techno. For example, Steve Reich (the godfather of minimalism and techno) played around with a piano riff. He had two tracks play the same riff and then slowed one of them down to get an out-of-synch effect. Then, he tried an experiment with two pianists doing the same thing. In both cases, it was the same sound, and it goes in the same catagory, regardless of whether its sampled or not. > Listen to the Philip Glass Orchestration of Ventolin and tell > me it sounds like techno to you. Listen to the original Ventolin and > tell me it doesn't (well, if you can describe what it sounds like > withouth the word 'awful', you get a cookie). I don't know either song, but I could give you another example. Holst's The Planets, a famous classical set of songs, and Tomita's version of The Planets, a completely electronic version which I would call Retro Techno (techno before it was called techno). Recommended to any techno lover and I used to play the hell out of the CD before I even go into techno. Same songs and composition, but different instruments and (more importantly) different -sounds-. > They are still crossing techno with non-techno, something the Prodigy > got slammed for about two years ago. Even rock groups are starting to > swing the other way, check out Limp Bizkit. Yeah, I know. Everybody is hiring a mixer left and right. I usually fit these in the catagory of Techno-Rock, but it isn't full techno. However, they sound like a rock group with mixing. It actually -sounds- like Techno-Rock. > Why not? At least it's something easy to classify. Either they use the > oldschool stuff or they don't. None of this wishy-washy 'it makes me > think of this so it must be that' classification. Well, for the most part, it's correct, but we don't want to alienate the groups that choose to use actual instruments in some of their songs by calling them mere half-breeds. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Palisano Subject: Re: (orbital) CHICAGO LIVE Date: 03 Aug 1999 20:18:33 -0400 Hey Dan, Just relocated your second email address (I've been trying to get ahold of you with the record@thebutt.com address, is this correct or is that one?) and I apologize if you consider this rude but I ordered an Orbital CD from you a while ago and I just would like an order status update. Did you recieve my Money order yet and when are you going to be sending off the CD's? If you haven't gotten the money order then something is rotten as its been two weeks since I sent it out. Kindly let me know whats up in a timely manner Thank you for your time, Michael Palisano # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Palisano Subject: Re: (orbital) CHICAGO LIVE Date: 03 Aug 1999 22:21:33 -0400 I apologize, I pressed the wrong button -- this private email WASN'T SUPPOSED to be sent to the entire list, please read nothing pejorative or derogatory about Dan Lebuaec into this email as this wasn't intended as a list flame, OK? Apologies to you all. MP Michael Palisano wrote: > Hey Dan, .... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Instruments... Date: 03 Aug 1999 22:07:39 -0500 > True, but a exact representation of a conventional instrument on a keyboard > still sounds like a conventional instrument. If the song -sounds- like techno, > it -is- techno, regardless of the types of instruments used. This goes for > sampled music, too. We know it's sampled because it -sounds- sampled. Drums in > jungle -sound- like they are drum loops. They could be playing real drums, and > if they manage to make it sound like drum loops, it's still techno. I'm going to have to agree with Brendan here. If it sounds as good as the real instrument, I don't think it matters where it came from. That is often not the case, and half the time there is no "real instrument". Another aspect is the amount of talent required to play a conventional instrument, as opposed to its keyboard counterpart. And there are digital filters, mixing, etc. Anyone ever seen sheet music for Kein Trink Wasser? I'd like to have Beethoven take a look at it. I think he'd be interested. Or Debussy = ). Oh, if you have sheet music for it, can I have a copy? I've always wanted to take a crack at it. -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Ozric Tentacles' Waterfall Cities Date: 03 Aug 1999 23:08:22 -0400 I was going to write a review to a few of the albums I bought, but a review of this incredible album would take up an entire message, so I'll do just that. Put simply, this is the best instrumental rock album I have ever heard in my life. It ranks up there as being one of the best albums of any musical genre I've have ever heard. I've always been a big fan of Ozric Tentacles, but they keep topping their previous achievements with each album. Their newest album is no exception. I like Eat Static's work, but after further comparision, they are incomplete without the rest of the OT players. Ed's guitar playing is mind-boggling and full of emotion. And these new players (OT's replacements since Eat Static) are quite frankly better. Curious Corn and Waterfall Cities are my two favorite Ozric albums, partly because of them. This album has made me question whether techno is better off completely abandoning conventional instruments or should they stick some in its songs. With examples like MoN and Waterfall Cities, I'm thinking the latter. Techno still has some refining to do and it needs to find instruments that can convey the type of emotion that a guitar can do. There are some strings and synths that have that kind of effect, but it's a matter of finding the right ones and using them fully. Sorry about all of this ranting, but I'm really passionate about music. I just spent the last 10 minutes listening to Waterfall City (track 3) on my 5-speaker system turned way up while I stood in the sweet spot of the music, drinking every sound...and I got an emotional high out of it. Yeah, call me weird but that's how some songs affect me. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Let me throw a curve ball Date: 03 Aug 1999 22:32:46 -0500 Ok, I got this awesome German compilation in France a long time ago, called Acid Flash 5. It has a song on it called "Scream", by a group called Avalongè, and I finally found a cd single of it on Gemm (thanks to whoever first mentioned them). I mention it because it is one of the damn coolest songs I have ever heard! I mean, it's up there near The Box (my all time favourite song ever)! I found an mp3 of it, but it's 8MB, and it's on some screwed up ftp site that has no reliability, so that's kind of hopeless. I ordered the single from Gemm, but it's backordered from Holland, so it will take 2+ years to get here. I only have it on tape since someone borrowed my cd and never gave it back. If anyone has it in mp3 or can put it onto mp3, I would be very happy. If not, I'll be sure to rip it when I get the CD (I got cdex, and it's neat), and mass mail it to anyone who wants. Notify me. And have a nice day! -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Ozric Tentacles' Waterfall Cities Date: 04 Aug 1999 00:27:24 -0400 > This album has made me question whether techno is better off completely > abandoning conventional instruments or should they stick some in its songs. I don't like this question, mainly because it implies that conventional instruments are somehow better. Older <> better, just like newer <> worse. Of course, the reverse also applies. Who's to say that the sound of a guitar is inherently more beautiful than that of a Matrix 6? It's all a matter of choice... It's also all up to the artist to make it work. A bad guitar player can't drag any more emotion out of you than a bad electronic act can. > Sorry about all of this ranting, but I'm really passionate about music. I just > spent the last 10 minutes listening to Waterfall City (track 3) on my 5-speaker > system turned way up while I stood in the sweet spot of the music, drinking > every sound...and I got an emotional high out of it. Yeah, call me weird but > that's how some songs affect me. Heh, I think everyone's done that. Or, we're both weird. Maybe there's no "or" needed in that last line :) Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Emotional instruments... Date: 04 Aug 1999 00:47:45 -0400 Patrick McGinn wrote: > > I don't like this question, mainly because it implies that conventional > instruments are somehow better. Older <> better, just like newer <> worse. > Of course, the reverse also applies. Who's to say that the sound of a > guitar is inherently more beautiful than that of a Matrix 6? It's all a > matter of choice... Oh, I'm not implying that at all. Trance and IDM has proven that there are some emotional instruments in techno, but somebody needs to find all of them and write them down. Then, write songs with ONLY those instruments. It would at least be an interesting experiment. The thing about techno is that it's so easy to create a sound and use it as an instrument. This leads to the wrong sounds being used. For example, anybody could take a sample of a cat being grinded up alive in a meat grinder and use this as a bass beat. But, that obviously doesn't have any emotion besides "What is that god-awful sound?!" At least with most conventional instruments, you are guaranteed that it can bring some level of emotion. It's all about have the right instrument set. Techno is the first musical genre that doesn't have one defined. Of course, I'm completely ignoring the fact that some instruments have -different- emotions than others. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Emotional instruments... Date: 04 Aug 1999 02:07:48 -0400 > Oh, I'm not implying that at all. Trance and IDM has proven that there are some > emotional instruments in techno, but somebody needs to find all of them and > write them down. Then, write songs with ONLY those instruments. It would at > least be an interesting experiment. Again, all this is completely subjective... It reminds me of a few e-mails I read regarding Fred Church's Kumquat album. Someone said something along the lines of "It's a good album with some great sounds, but it would be fantastic if you cut those down into an EP and got rid of the rest." The classic reply was "Yeah, but then someone else would say, 'you cut out all the best parts!'" > Of course, I'm completely ignoring the fact that some instruments have > -different- emotions than others. Again, this is all personal... For me, a guitar (or a violoin, or a piano,) has no attached emotions. It's all up to the artist and the group to tie it into a song to create an emotion. When you listen to a song with some friends, you might say "God, that guitar really moves me," but your friends might say the same thing about the saxophone, or the vocalist, or whatever it is in that song that moves them. For me, I don't want to hear the same stuff over and over again, the same sounds. Talk to someone who's used a DR-660 (or a 303) and they'll tell you they absolutely cringe whenever they hear one used. Artists aren't innovating with them anymore (partly because they can't, partly because they're doing what the fans have asked for.) Personally, I sort of faded away from rock because I thought, how many times can I hear the same basic damn song over and over again? The only groups who pull me in are those who are innovating, straying from the basic "guitar, bass, drums, singer" setup. (Those, and the ones with insane energy like Kid Rock.) Of course, I can hear the replies already--"But Xaos," they say, "you listen to drum & bass! Drum and bass! Apache, Amen, James Brown, hello! It's the same damn thing in every song!" Well, no real reply to that, other than I tend to gravitate towards the guys that program their own beats or do funky drill&bass. (Or anything Jazzy/Evil. I'm a big Jega fan.) Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thing181@aol.com Subject: (orbital) Orbital made the top 20 Date: 04 Aug 1999 02:22:45 EDT Was at work this evening (bored as usual) and happened to pick up the latest issue of SPIN. While reading what THEY thought were the Greatest 90 Albums to come from the 90's, I was amused to find that Moby's "Play" came in at like 20 (funny, it has only been out how many months??), beating out Fatboy Slims's "You've come a long way Baby" which hit something like 68 (don't quote me, mag isn't in front of me now). Anyway, this isn't why I am writing this post. The point being the they had a section titled "Top 20 Singles to come out of the 90s". Low and behold, at #13 was Orbital for Chime which was described as "A gem of guileless, electronic beat-itude." It even beat out Prodigy's "Firestarter" which came in at #16. Not bad for a single that can no longer be obtained for anything less than the price of one's soul. -Cas- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: (orbital) Question Date: 04 Aug 1999 10:37:41 -0500 Has anyone here heard Josh Wink's new DJ mix album "Profound Sounds"? Reviews? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: (orbital) mp3 encoders Date: 04 Aug 1999 08:26:48 +0100 > Ok, here's the deal. I usually use WinDac to rip, but it does not even recognize the hidden track on ep7. So, I need a prog that can find the hidden track and rip it to .wav, unless anyone else knows a different way to do it. Well, any info on any progs you guys know of would be appreciated. I'll take a guess that it's more to do with the CD hardware and the drivers inside windows than with this software, in my experience the audio capabilities of a lot of the CD players you get with computers isn't that good anyway. If you can get it to play on your stereo system then just get some leads/adaptors and plug it into the back of your soundcard. Headphones to line in should work ok, then use a wave editor to record it to a wav file, something like Cool Edit or Soundforge would be good but the sound recorder that comes with windows might work (?) From there you should be able to encode the wav - I've not seen WinDac as I use AudioGrabber for CD's usually, but that has an option to encode direct from a wav. Im not saying i'm the expert (I'm not) but these are the mp3 related programs I use: AudioGrabber (cd ripper), Fraunhofer's MP3 codec (encoder), CoolEdit (wave editor..optional), and WinAmp to play them back again. For just getting mp3's recorded I can do most things with those. I'm now off to decode some cassettes using this 'Earhole & Brain' technology. Right lobe left lobe..so confusing. :-) -- -- Mark S-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rain@xkrew.com Subject: (orbital) Moby's Play #20? Date: 04 Aug 1999 07:12:56 -0700 Moby's Play is an excellent relaxing album . Deserving of #20? i don't think but much better than FBS honestly... FBS is the kind of music that buys airtime to sell its goods. Kind of like Limp Bizkit. That damn nookie song has been #1 for almost 4 months here. Is it REALLY #1? no, they pay the radio station for that spot... I assume most of you know this game Chime is killer, easily deserves #13 and firestarter really sucks. Breathe is such a better song prodigy wise IMHO. How much is chime worth? i saw it for 29.99 here once.. then it sold... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon Subject: (orbital) Orbital stuff for sale Date: 04 Aug 1999 09:59:12 -0700 Hi, I have a few more orbital duplicates for sale on Ebay. Email me with any questions, and thanks for looking! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140715560 Orbital: Midnight/Choice UK cd single http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140706793 ORBITAL: satan PROMO US CD (EDIT VERSIONS) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=139245794 ORBITAL/UNDERWORLD-FOUNDATIONS UK 2xLP RARE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Invergo Subject: Re: (orbital) Emotional instruments... Date: 04 Aug 1999 11:06:04 -0700 (PDT) > But, that obviously doesn't > have any emotion besides "What > is that god-awful sound?!" aphex twin's ventolin comes to mind here... yet another pointless post...kick me brandon _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) Autechre Hidden MP3 Date: 04 Aug 1999 16:05:31 -0400 > Sorry for the delay on this...but i've had work and family >vacations to deal with. Ok, here's the deal. I usually use WinDac to >rip, but it does not even recognize the hidden track on ep7. So, I need The "hidden" tracks on albums that _I_ have are actually part of the last track...i.e. the last track is really long...one song plays, then there's a big space, then the hidden track starts. So you should just have to rip the last track and chop it up. I don't know of any way that you could make an actual "hidden" track other than some wierd "audio, data, audio" thing. I mean, I could be wrong about this (I don't have EP7) but I can't imagine that any other way of making a "hidden" track would work too well in CD players. funkenstein@mail.rit.edu - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 It's wild how you never know where your life could go So many try to slow your roll in these trails of life -Mystik Journeymen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Wav Recording Date: 04 Aug 1999 15:46:51 -0500 I really need to record the Avalonge song onto wav, and I have it on tape, so I plugged my stereo into the input jack to find out that I don't have any good wav recorders. The only one I have is the crappy windows, lasts for 60 seconds one. I searched on download.com for a wav recorder and downloaded about 3 different apps that did jack, and then a good one that I spent 20 min. downloading to find out that I couldn't record on the demo! !#($%*#(^ So, I need a good wav recorder. Could anyone tell me where I can get one. I really don't want to have to start searching the web. -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kulsoom a" Subject: (orbital) mp3s Date: 04 Aug 1999 13:54:35 PDT hi if anyone has any mp3 sites or mp3s up.. and dont mind me downloading them. please let me know. im at school and its fast so im eager. thanks in advance kulsoom _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Marek Subject: Re: (orbital) Wav Recording Date: 04 Aug 1999 16:55:44 -0500 At 03:46 PM 8/4/99 -0500, Marc Sawaya wrote: > >I really need to record the Avalonge song onto wav, and I have it on >tape, so I plugged my stereo into the input jack to find out that I >don't have any good wav recorders. The only one I have is the crappy >windows, lasts for 60 seconds one. I searched on download.com for a wav >recorder and downloaded about 3 different apps that did jack, and then a >good one that I spent 20 min. downloading to find out that I couldn't >record on the demo! !#($%*#(^ So, I need a good wav recorder. Could >anyone tell me where I can get one. I really don't want to have to >start searching the web. i've heard that CoolEdit is good.. i haven't used it myself, yet.. but i've been told the demo lets you pick a couple features to use each time you start it up.. and i'm sure there's a crack for it somewhere. Kerry.. the ONE.. (think math) email me at: kmarek@wam.umd.edu http://www.wam.umd.edu/~kmarek/ <[updated for the summer]> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Wav Recording Date: 04 Aug 1999 17:04:32 -0400 Kerry Marek wrote: > > i've heard that CoolEdit is good.. i haven't used it myself, yet.. but i've > been told the demo lets you pick a couple features to use each time you > start it up.. and i'm sure there's a crack for it somewhere. Yeah, Cool 96 is great for WAV editing. Recommended. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: (orbital) MP3 encoders Date: 04 Aug 1999 20:31:56 +0100 At 13:14 03/08/99 -0400, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > >I used to use that codec (from the now-illegal "MP3 Compressor"). However, I >noticed it would encode several songs improperly. For example, Lunatic Calm's >Neon Reprise on 128 kbps sounds like crap with the Fraunhofer codec. Now, I use >Blade's MP3 encoder, which is built into CDex, and it works great. The >Fraunhofer may be a $10k thing, but it's pretty out-dated now. I've known Blade make things sound a bit dodgy at times too. Let's face it, MP3 is a compression technique, so there's always a chance that ANY encoder will make some track sound wrong. I use something called "Electronic Cosmo's MPEG Suite" ( I think the URL is http://ec2000.cjb.net/ ), which is hugely faster than Blade (about 4x real-time, against Blade's 0.8x or so) and gives good-sounding results (well, they sound good to me...). The interface is a bit crap, but that's forgivable. cheers, Jon - "Don't tell me how to live my life and don't ever stop the music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: (orbital) AE hidden track Date: 04 Aug 1999 20:45:43 +0100 At 08:26 04/08/99 +0100, Mark S-D wrote: > >From: Don Thompson >Subject: (orbital) Autechre Hidden MP3 > > > Ok, here's the deal. I usually use WinDac to rip, but it does not even >recognize the hidden track on ep7. So, I need a prog that can find the >hidden track and rip it to .wav, unless anyone else knows a different way >to do it. Well, any info on any progs you guys know of would be appreciated. > >f you can get it to play on your stereo system then just get >some leads/adaptors and plug it into the back of your soundcard. >then use a wave editor to record it to a wav >file, something like Cool Edit or Soundforge would be good but the sound >recorder that comes with windows might work (?) if you use CDRWin to extract a Disc Image, it'll create a .bin file. Load this into Cool Edit (accept the defaults for the choices it gives you), and you've got the whole CD to do with as you please. Cut off the bits corresponding to the 'normal' tracks and you've got the hiden one left. Save it as a regular 16bit/44.1kHz/stereo wav and use your preferred encoder to mp3 it. Instead of extracting the whole disc image (takes a lot of hard disk space...) you could try playing about with the 'extract sectors' options. About 7 minutes x 75 sectors per second should do the trick, and needs less disk space than the whole CD image. cheers, Jon - "Don't tell me how to live my life and don't ever stop the music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Autechre Hidden MP3 Date: 04 Aug 1999 23:01:22 +0100 At 16:05 04/08/99 -0400, Dr. Funkenstein wrote: > >The "hidden" tracks on albums that _I_ have are actually part of the last >track...i.e. the last track is really long...one song plays, then there's a >big space, then the hidden track starts. So you should just have to rip >the last track and chop it up. I don't know of any way that you could make >an actual "hidden" track other than some wierd "audio, data, audio" thing. >I mean, I could be wrong about this (I don't have EP7) but I can't imagine >that any other way of making a "hidden" track would work too well in CD >players. There's another (cleverer) way - because of the way index points work you can hide music before the start of track 1, as on EP7 cheers, Jon - "Don't tell me how to live my life and don't ever stop the music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Avalong=E8?= mp3 Date: 04 Aug 1999 17:46:23 -0500 >Ok, I got this awesome German compilation in France a long time ago, >called Acid Flash 5. It has a song on it called "Scream", by a group >called Avalongè, and I finally found a cd single of it on Gemm (thanks >to whoever first mentioned them). I mention it because it is one of the >damn coolest songs I have ever heard! I mean, it's up there near The >Box (my all time favourite song ever)! Ok, I finally got this thing into mp3, but it sounds like crap. It went from cd to tape to wav to mp3, and it's 7.62MB, so if you want it, tell me. I'll do one big mailing. -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: Re: (orbital) Wav Recording Date: 04 Aug 1999 16:33:29 -0700 I have goldwave, soundpro,dartpro and dart32 registered.. if you email me i can setup and ftp to them on my site # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: noisewerker@home.com Subject: (orbital) Toshiba combines DVD-ROM and CD-RW in one drive Date: 04 Aug 1999 16:32:16 -0700 (PDT) This NEWS.COM (http://www.news.com/) story has been sent to you from noisewerker@home.com. Message from sender: Since you've all been interested in different CD burning techniques and recorders, I thought that this article would be interesting for you guys to check out. NoiseWerker Toshiba combines DVD-ROM and CD-RW in one drive By Michael Kanellos August 1, 1999, 11:00 a.m. PT http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C39994%2C00.html?sas.mail Toshiba has developed a new drive combining two of the hottest storage technologies: DVD-ROM and CD-RW. DVD-ROM is a high-capacity format that holds up to 4.7GB of data per side, enough room for a full-length movie. Recordable-rewriteable CD-ROM technology (CD-RW)--which allows users to record their own CD-ROMs and play them back on stereos or PCs--is steadily becoming the storage platform of choice among PC manufacturers and consumers. DVD-ROM and CD-RW have become two of more popular options for high-end desktop PCs in the last year. While recordable DVD is available on a limited basis, the drives are typically quite expensive and are not yet widely available. As a result, DVD drives in PCs are mostly for reading and storage. Meanwhile, CD-RW has nearly eclipsed Iomega's Zip drive as the preferred method of backup among consumers-- especially among digital music aficionados. Toshiba's new SD-R1002 drive from is one of the first to offer both technologies, according to the company. Although a dual-purpose drive may appear to be overkill, DVD and CD-RW serve different purposes, Toshiba says. DVD is a high-quality video and audio read-only technology optimized for movies and games, while CD-RW is a more cost-effective way to record and playback music and to backup data. "CD-RW and DVD-ROM are poised to be two of the fastest growing technologies over the next few years," said John Freeman, president of strategic marketing for Toshiba, in a statement. "Today, users have to choose between CD-RW writability or DVD-ROM compatibility." The Toshiba drive is backwards compatible with older DVD-ROM and CD-ROM discs, according to the company, and will work with desktop, notebook, and workstation computers. The combo drive will be released in September. Final pricing for the drive has not yet been set, but a kit that includes the drive and supporting hardware and software will have an estimated retail price of $400. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) sueter.net/orbital Date: 05 Aug 1999 17:32:14 PDT Hello all, I have a favor to ask all of you, and with all the creativity and personality on this list, I think it will be a success. I'm putting together a review of "Middle of Nowhere" for the Chilean website sueter.net, which focuses on culture and literature. There is a large music component to the site, and I took the opportunity to put together a somewhat comprehensive look into Orbital. Not the full multimedia barrage that Loopz is, but still sorta cool. Ok, so here is what I ask of you: choose one(1) Orbital track and/or concert that you wish, and simply give a descriptive take on it. I'm not asking for length, just originality and creativity. My copartner and I will then choose the best ones and place them on the site. This means that not everyone's will be placed. If I read some of them, and I say "wow, they really did a good job!" I may ask for a follow up! If you can write in spanish, it is wicked cool, but English is fine too, I can translate it. Also, we are really really looking for an international take on Orbital, so we greatly appreciate any entries from all over the world! Ok, thank you all so much in advance, and if you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask me! later Robert Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Re: Brendan on mp3-codecs Date: 06 Aug 1999 05:05:59 +0000 Brendan wrote: > I used to use that codec (from the now-illegal "MP3 Compressor"). However, I > noticed it would encode several songs improperly. For example, Lunatic Calm's > Neon Reprise on 128 kbps sounds like crap with the Fraunhofer codec. Now, I use > Blade's MP3 encoder, which is built into CDex, and it works great. The > Fraunhofer may be a $10k thing, but it's pretty out-dated now. > Brendan, it's now your turn to "get the facts straight"! 8) The mp3-compressor was not only using l3enc, the (old!) copyrighted FHG codec, it was also using it only in -lq (low quality) mode, hence the speed that made it famous!.. and this -lq mode is basically skipping most of the searching for the best possible solution to make it fast, and i dunno for sure, but this sounds hellish like it only used long blocks, just like the Xing and Blade ones (did you read that page?) The FHG codec is still the best around, no matter what people say! I mean, i don't possibly believe that dudes that hack their own codec like the Blade or LAME things can afford to have hundreds of hearing tests in sound-proof high-end studio environments with damn expensive professional listeners (or whatever you might call them! 8) like the FHG guys do it! I've been to a friends house who has some really impressive home-recording equipment and when we heard some mp3-compressor mp3s, we both said that one could definately hear the compression, later on i brought some mp3-producer ones, and we were both VERY surprised HOW well it sounded (and that was 128kbps only! 8)... He said he was really fucken impressed just how good mp3 can sound!... and this dude is a professional, making music all day long! And as for outdated: they are constantly improving it, it is faster and (i think!) better sounding with every version! l3enc, which mp3producer used, was like YEARS ago!.. so much for the Fraunhofer codec.. hell, they INVENTED it, don't you think they are bound to know it best? 8) DeeKay NP: Cosmic Baby - Sweet dreams for kaa (Orbital-fans who like Semi-detached and the more trancey stuff should give this a try!.. Very good old stuff from the early german techno days! Further tracks recommended: The Space track, Heaven's tears... 8) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) *** NEWS FLASH *** Date: 06 Aug 1999 02:15:13 -0500 President Clinton has alerted the media to an international crisis due to the lack of messages posted to the mailing list Orbital@xmission.com- brothers Phil and Paul are speechless! Apparantly, so are all of the members on the list. What the heck happened? First it was 80 e-mails a day, and now there are 2. I'm bored! There's always something to complain about. Hmm... what would spark some discussion? No idea. All I can think about are my plans to exterminate terrestrial life by means of a superior species of robot. I think the brothers would like that. -Marc Sawaya (news flash: crazed scientist attempts to destroy life- techno group "Orbital" to blame- " I knew it!" says Senator John MacDermott (Ill, R) = ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) *** NEWS FLASH *** Date: 06 Aug 1999 00:53:35 PDT No shit dude, you noticed that too huh? I was thinking that the list was broken or something! The R to the O to the B.... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (orbital) News Flash Date: 06 Aug 1999 02:11:40 PDT I'm sorry Marc, but that was pretty lame ! :-) I really thought that you had some big, important news for us all ! Come on man, don't fuck around like that ! NoiseWerker 30 Years of Kraftwerk (1969-1999) 16 Sweet Years of Art of Noise (1983-1999) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nemesis1 Subject: Re: (orbital) *** NEWS FLASH *** Date: 06 Aug 1999 13:48:26 +0100 what do you know, I finally got MoN last week, in a 2nd hand store, for $18, which good considering it costs $30 new in the shops here ;) hmmm I quite like it. Nothing Left almost gets on my nerves though... because of the lyrics/voice, they almost sorta give me a headache for some reason and yes, those words "nothing left" keep echoing in my head (like right now :) and drive me nuts. argh! :) and style... hmmm... is that a c64 I hear there? really... that does sound like something on a c64... which is good in my book =) oh and autechre's ep7 is pretty good though it continues their noise experiments in the messed up aural field :) most played cd lately: lackluster cdr#2. distance 0wnz ya ;) go find his tracked music in ftp.scene.org/pub/music/artists/distance (and don't use winamp to play them. winamp fucks up badly :/ ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net feed me music (beware the sheep) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Blake" Subject: Re: (orbital) *** NEWS FLASH *** Date: 06 Aug 1999 14:24:46 +0100 -----Original Message----- > >President Clinton has alerted the media to an international crisis due >to the lack of messages posted to the mailing list Orbital@xmission.com- >brothers Phil and Paul are speechless! Apparantly, so are all of the >members on the list. What the heck happened? First it was 80 e-mails a >day, and now there are 2. I'm bored! There's always something to >complain about. Hmm... what would spark some discussion? Why dont you just piss off! Only joking! Just thought it may Spark off some discussion! Off to Eclipse festival now, Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) *** NEWS FLASH *** Date: 06 Aug 1999 11:54:05 -0400 >members on the list. What the heck happened? First it was 80 e-mails a >day, and now there are 2. I'm bored! There's always something to >complain about. Hmm... what would spark some discussion? I noticed the same thing...see I told you guys that the huge arguments awhile ago were at least INTERESTING and something to read...too much discussion is often better than none at all. funkenstein@mail.rit.edu - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 It's wild how you never know where your life could go So many try to slow your roll in these trails of life -Mystik Journeymen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Van" Subject: (orbital) B+P Offer : Disc 1 of Austin 7.16.99 Date: 06 Aug 1999 11:04:26 -0500 hey kids- I was burning this show onto CD-R the other day and due to user error on my part I have one misburned disc of the main set. Disc plays perfectly fine but track 5 (Knowhere to Run) was accidentally left off. I'd hate to throw this away so I will B+P this to the first person who can e-mail me and can immediately send me a stamped bubble mailer and a blank CD. (Sony or TDK preferred). I will keep the blank and send off the misburned CD. I can only do this for one person I would prefer that this go to a newbie without anything to trade. tracklist: clockwork orange, way out-> spare parts->impact, halcyon, i don't know you people -> the box, nothing left 2, style. JV # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) orbital{off-topic} Date: 06 Aug 1999 13:35:09 -0400 OK Music buffs! Here's a definition for you to get you talking! Accordion, n.: A bagpipe with pleats. 8) Sorry you're bored Marc. It's the post-tour and august vacation blahs. Well try to have a great weekend. What else can you do? Wish I was off to Total Eclipse! [hate y'all!] SteveP! You better be taking the DAT {or whatever you boot off} Aimee. Hi! How was the vacation? Kulsi is cool. She's sending me Orbital stuff! J Van: very cool of you to give Chicago-#5 away to a newbie. I'll hopefully be sending you discs soon. Hey DonT; can't wait to see chicago pics. Hey DanL; can't wait to hear Chicago. Hey The Mehul. Hey Mehul :) THAT'S IT!!! I can't TAKE iT aNyMoRe. I'm leaving WoRk RiGhT NOOOW! It's 85*F and ClEAr as that trumpet on "No WAY" and I am about to EXPLODE to go outside and play at my frined's pool and La-Di-Da to 'MoN' in THE SUN! {and pretend i'm at Total Eclipse} Hey SteveC. I bet your bummed to have moved here{u$a} when they're LIVE there, huh? {My sincerest condolences} [They better record it is all I have to say] Hey Robert S and youngerS! I think your idea to help out Sueter.net is great. You Can even start with reviews that several of us have already posted of the 99US dates. Start with Brandon's on July 5th. If you didn't save them, lemme know and I can mail Digests to you. {i thought they spoke Portugese in Chile'. I guess That's Brazil. BTW>Chile has really good cheap wine %O. Try to get us a deal on plane tickets! THAT'S Right! ALL OF your words are ARCHIVED for ALL TIME! {so watch what you say, and be nice to each other} If I continue on much longer, i'll have a WHOLE Digest of just this letter! Hey Brendan! Hey Brandon! Hey Cat-in-OS-boy! Hey everybody I left out and esp all the old LURKERS! I know your "Out There Somewhere" and I AM SO OUT OF HERE! Love and Sun! ShannON +on +ON +ONhisWAYoutTHEdoor >>>--> -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Avalong=E8?= mp3 Date: 06 Aug 1999 13:06:47 -0400 Marc Sawaya wrote: >=20 > >Ok, I got this awesome German compilation in France a long time ago, > >called Acid Flash 5. It has a song on it called "Scream", by a group > >called Avalong=E8, and I finally found a cd single of it on Gemm (than= ks > >to whoever first mentioned them). I mention it because it is one of > the > >damn coolest songs I have ever heard! I mean, it's up there near The > >Box (my all time favourite song ever)! >=20 > Ok, I finally got this thing into mp3, but it sounds like crap. It wen= t > from cd to tape to wav to mp3, and it's 7.62MB, so if you want it, tell > me. I'll do one big mailing. I'm too darn curious to pass this up, but I can't handle mail that big.=20 Perhaps if someone gets it and wants to up it to a site I can get them, or host for a short while? --=20 If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Van" Subject: (orbital) Re: B+P Offer : Disc 1 of Austin 7.16.99 Date: 06 Aug 1999 14:23:50 -0500 a newbie has been found and this offer is now closed, thanks. j -----Original Message----- > >hey kids- > >I was burning this show onto CD-R the other day and >due to user error on my part I have one misburned disc >of the main set. Disc plays perfectly fine but track 5 (Knowhere to Run) was >accidentally left off. I'd hate to throw this away so I will B+P this to >the first person who can e-mail me and can >immediately send me a stamped bubble mailer and a blank CD. >(Sony or TDK preferred). I will keep the blank and send off >the misburned CD. I can only do this for one person > >I would prefer that this go to a newbie without anything to trade. > >tracklist: clockwork orange, way out-> spare parts->impact, > halcyon, i don't know you people -> the box, > nothing left 2, style. > >JV > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MadPAYAS0@aol.com Subject: (orbital) orbital shows in southern california Date: 07 Aug 1999 02:42:41 EDT hey i'm a newbie and am interested in getting recordings of either of the shows in so cal. if there is anyway i can i would appreciate it D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[::Daniel Ramirez_owo voyager_Temuco::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) Avalongè mp3 Date: 07 Aug 1999 01:36:27 -0500 Dan Colquhoun wrote: blah blah > Marc Sawaya wrote: blah blah > I'm too darn curious to pass this up, but I can't handle mail that > big. > Perhaps if someone gets it and wants to up it to a site I can get > them, > or host for a short while? Hi world. I have two ideas, maybe c. help : _____You can transfer the file 2 your partner using icq system or _____Setting up a ftp program server in your pc so everybody could login and download the file, or _____look for a host byep. owo -- ©©©©©©©©©__________________ **** ! !]!]! owovoyager!]!]!thedisinneverbe..the s a m e design_76 = s u e t e r . n e t # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[::Daniel Ramirez_owo voyager_Temuco::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) orbital{off-topic} Date: 07 Aug 1999 02:13:53 -0500 Shannon K. Campbell wrote: > blah blah blah ... > > Hey Robert S and youngerS! I think your idea to help out Sueter.net is > > great. You Can even start with reviews that several of us have already > > posted of the 99US dates. Start with Brandon's on July 5th. HELLO people [& youngers]: EVERYBODY is welcome to help us in sueter.net. What is sueter? Errrr. in short like: monthly ezine+ music+ arts + literature+ experimental design + arts+ nosex+ chile+us+asia+europe+all_the_world+1976(+-) generation+orbital+ parties_ realvideo~audio+ travel+shockwave+, etc. I think, finally is a pretext to show our existence to the world now, I mean... today, August, Sat 07 , 2000-1. You have to check the site 4 more info. We don't receive any money -yet- at sueter cause almost all the people are students , [journalists, audiovisuals, actors, , designers and parties organizers [like me] , etc], -and we only want to do a great sueterian site- [we're rocking in chile] living here in Chile and UK, Singapore, Australia, US, etc, so ahmm... I would be happy if someone want to join us or have a idea or I dunno. Please take a look at the site [http://www.sueter.net], I'm re-designing it completely, new layout, new potatoes and a better design, that's cause I never like the designs I do. The content could be in español, english, korean, portugués and or ketchupneese. > If you didn't save them, lemme know and I can mail Digests to you. > {i thought they spoke Portugese in Chile'. I guess That's Brazil. Kuek!. 'F course. All the countries 'round here speak 'español' [spanish] [like chile,peru,colombia,venezuela,bolivia,argentina...]. Brazil speaks portugueese; although "español~portugués" are very similar. > BTW>Chile has really good cheap wine %O. Try to get us a deal on plane > > tickets! pizza + some wine + orbital + photoshop + sueter = oh y e a h ha ha haaaaaa Don't hesitate to write 'me. Thank you : D daniel_in vacations [aka_ owo*auf] designer und webmaster sueter.net culture chili mailto:orbitalterrorist@sueter.net mailto:webcommander@sueter.net mailto:yeahyeahdesignismylife@sueter.net the f*** site: http://www.sueter.net the new sueter community 'round the planet: http://www.deja.com/~sueter Call daniel's icccqqqq-Now: 1503-8986 [leave your message after the tone, cause I'm in vacations at the South of Chile now] > ha ha haaaaaaaa ... eeee aaaaa!!!! Oh man... I think I'm drinking so much wine now.. really!. hip ! ... Come on'!, today is a boring friday... Is good to drink 'chilean %500 ' wine with hawaiian pizzza, eh Shannon ? ha ha haaaaaaaa ... eeee aaaaa!!!! -- ©©©©©©©©©__________________ **** ! !]!]! owovoyager!]!]!thedisinneverbe..the s a m e design_76 = s u e t e r . n e t # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: (orbital) Haven't I heard this before? Date: 06 Aug 1999 19:45:13 -0400 So I had MuchMusic on today, and I was caught by something. The new Puff Daddy Song called PE 2000 or something has what I believe is a moog line in it. It's DAMN familiar. It almost makes the song enjoyable becasue I like it so much. I was wondering if anyone could refresh my memory as to where it's from. The original Atomic Moog by ColdCut was my guess. But it sounds even older than that. -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LightThief@aol.com Subject: (orbital) 9.9.99 Date: 07 Aug 1999 20:35:38 EDT Has anyone in America seen the promos for the MTV music video awards. There is one where there is this opera music playing with a breakbeat of some sort along with it, the one with stupid m&m candy. I think that song is amazing, but I have no idea what it is. Does anyone on here know what I'm talking about? I would be so happy to find out. Later... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jlexus@calweb.com Subject: (orbital) Leftfield Date: 08 Aug 1999 13:32:15 -0700 hi orbital headz :) I was just browsing through www.sirencd.com and found this : Rhythm & Stealth (+1) Australian edition of this 1999 album includes bonus track "Phat Planet" (Version 2). 11 tracks total. Release Date: 20-Sep-99 After waiting a month i finally got my Orbital 2 album :) woohoo P.S. anyone who is into dnb / jungle check out Photeks Form and Function it is a really good cd! also Paul Van Dyk - 45 rpm is very nice too. I bought hmmm 5 Sasha and Digweed cds and the "Global Underground Sasha 003" the "SF one" is the dissapoiting one :( Northern Exposure and Expeditions is really good though! Also there is this cd i saw next to Goldies "INCredible sound of drum and bass", it was called "INCredible sound of Jo Witney" or something like that anyone know what it is ? It is an import for $32 . thanks . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Mocean Worker Date: 08 Aug 1999 13:40:30 PDT HEY ALL! I was listening to the UMass radio station WSMU, and for some reason they were playing something other than talk radio and boring jazz! In fact, they were playing some damn good drum n bass! The DJ played maybe four or five songs, and he came back on the air and said that they were from Mocean Worker. Now, I've heard of them before, and they didn't really spark my interest, but I was quite impressed. What releases do they have, and is anyone on the list a fan? Can you tell me more about them, such as good releases, bio, etc? Thanks! The R (to the) O (to the) B _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Fatboy Slim Live Seatte Paramount 06.15.99 Date: 08 Aug 1999 14:46:56 -0700 ftp 216.231.46.135 l: fatboy p: fatboy Quite a few tracks are untitled ont he first cd if anyone can figure them out *PLEASE* return he favor as that the ftp is mine and i'm offering this as a free service to spread the music ICQ 9080014 mirc nick RainFall # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) SID on Style? Date: 09 Aug 1999 00:09:37 +0000 Nemesis1 wrote: > and style... hmmm... is that a c64 I hear there? really... that does sound > like something on a c64... which is good in my book =) Yeaaah! 8) We actually had this discussion on #c-64 already, it DOES sound alot like a c64, but it apparently was a Stylophone, some low-tech build-yourself kinda synth from the early eighties if i got that right!... That thing might have used a 6581 SID-chip though as it was the first programmable synth-chip ever from what i read and has had a very big impact on computer and synth development! It's even listed in the top 10 of the most important chips in computer history! Together with the 8086, the Pentium, the Z80 and others.. By the way, i use this opportunity to announce that i'm one of these 'freaks' that still use a c64 and develop stuff on it (paint-programs with new, tweaked color-modes, composing programs, demonstrations etc.) and if one of you needs anything, any information, game, demo, tool or mp3-remix of old c64 classic tunes, just drop me an email! 8) Anyway, i really advise you to read that URL, it kinda sums the whole thing up, what we're doing and why still in 1999... http://www.student.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/~mjk/local/8bit.html Regards, DeeKay/Crest # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) WHOA Date: 08 Aug 1999 16:26:19 -0700 I see there is a huge turnout on my site.. apparently you guys managed to find the orbital worcester show on the same drive (grin) you know who you are your dling it right now :) i have cover art for it to you if email me i'll reply with it :) i have cover art for both cds :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Hey no hammering Please Date: 08 Aug 1999 16:29:55 -0700 My site is limited to 3 people. i have 40k/sec max speeds so its to leave free bandwidth for all CORE1-4-110.AUGSBURG.NETSURF.DE Please do not hammer. I will be forced to ban you... Thank you! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) errrrrrr!!! Date: 08 Aug 1999 19:47:38 PDT Yo all, I'm phucking sick of this shit. Ok, now, I did attend the Worcester show last month, and yes it did sound excellent and it did kick my ass all over the theatre. Ok, now, for all of you that went to that site (the fatboy one) and downloaded the Worcester show, you may know what I'm talking about. All I know is that the little fuck near the mic needs to get the shit beat out of him. There's no need to clap that much near the mic, and absolutely no need to fucking scream that loud into the shit either. Now, I understand that this was an unexpected show to turn up on MP3, and also free(thanks!!), but I don't know what kind of setup the person had to document this show. It sounds ok except the crowd noise. (Fucking scummy Worcester! Why couldn't the brothers chose Boston! the crowd is chill!). So, except for the "It's called Dr. Who! woooooooooooooooooo" and "Yeah yeah yeah, clap clap clap Halcyon!! Place Belinda Carlisle here!" it's a decent recording. However, I can't even turn the shit up on my stereo because some goon feels like he's screaming in my ear! I am grateful that I got the show, and I see why it's fre now hehehehehe. Ok y'all, take everything I say with a grain of salt, and thanks for reading! Robbie _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) more about errrrrrrr! Date: 08 Aug 1999 19:54:41 PDT ok, I forgot to add that during the intro to Satan, the people were talking along with the sample, it reminded me of a fucking Barney singalong! Were these people at the same show as me? Everyone near me was so chill and didn't fucking scream during all the good parts of the songs! I'm outta here Robbie _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[::Daniel Ramirez_owo voyager_Temuco::]" Subject: (orbital) (( Re:Fatboy + Earthdance + rush )) [in stereo] Date: 08 Aug 1999 19:20:24 -0500 Hello orbital world. How.are.you ???? : D I have to download that Fatboy's filez soon!. What the f** I'm so far from my computer at these days. Grrr. [vacations] Sueter.net will help to produce EARTHDANCE CHILE at Oct. Yeah Yeah. Stay tunned 4 the real video transmission. Another kewl site in Chile you can visit is http://www.e-culture.cl Well, that's all. If somebody wants to know something about this side of the planet, just mailto:whatthehellischile@sueter.net , okey ? [Somebody likes Rush too ?] [I'm listening now...yeah yeah yeah!!!] : ) owo*auf ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Geesh? Date: 09 Aug 1999 01:21:16 -0700 You think you setup an ftp and people would have a F**kin Clue 1) No hammering 2) no double logins... Haven't you guys EVER been on an ftp site? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) Mocean Worker Date: 09 Aug 1999 10:03:07 -0400 Robert Schultz wrote: > > HEY ALL! I was listening to the UMass radio station WSMU, and for some > reason they were playing something other than talk radio and boring jazz! In > fact, they were playing some damn good drum n bass! The DJ played maybe four > or five songs, and he came back on the air and said that they were from > Mocean Worker. Now, I've heard of them before, and they didn't really spark > my interest, but I was quite impressed. What releases do they have, and is > anyone on the list a fan? Can you tell me more about them, such as good > releases, bio, etc? Thanks! Hey Robert! I picked up his last one a couple of months ago and posted how VERY cool it was. Someone else wrote back that this was the 2nd disc and that his first was really good too. [Sorry I don't have the disc titles with me] But basically it's a guy named Adam Dorn who started in NYC as a jazz bassist [so there's the cross-over to the jazz radio prgm]. Anyway he's young [~26 or something] and started producing other peoples music [not tech] but also started to get into sampling etc and calls himself Mocean Worker. I'll try to get my disc back from my friend the jazz drummer and let you know more. > The R (to the) O (to the) B Shouldn't this be O to the R to the B to the I, etc :) L8R! Shannon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: Re: (orbital) Mocean Worker / Friend Date: 09 Aug 1999 10:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Excerpts from lists: 9-Aug-99 Re: (orbital) Mocean Worker by Shannon Campbell@scanner > I picked up his last one a couple of months ago and posted how VERY cool > it was. > Someone else wrote back that this was the 2nd disc and that his first > was really good too. > [Sorry I don't have the disc titles with me] But basically it's a guy > named Adam Dorn who started in NYC as a jazz bassist [so there's the > cross-over to the jazz radio prgm]. Anyway he's young [~26 or something] > and started producing other peoples music [not tech] but also started to > get into sampling etc and calls himself Mocean Worker. the latest one is called "mixed emotional features", I believe, unless he came out with something more recent. I thought it was an Ok CD; there are some good tracks and some not-so-good tracks on it, so I only listened to it a couple times (maybe it needs some more of my attention) I finally got my hands on a copy of "Hot Rod" by Friend - I'm speechless. I wonder if I should bother buying any more drum and bass, cause I can't see how it could possibly top this :) If you want some incredibly awesome drum programming, with an ambient-technoey flavor, seek this out! I got mine from www.yalplay.com (I heard they have free shipping until the 16th now) later, Aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pacific707@aol.com Subject: (orbital) 808 related Date: 09 Aug 1999 13:08:51 EDT This is not Orbital related but....for my friend in South America (or wherever it was) who wanted me to burn a copy of the 808state fan club CD, it is now ready. But I need your address. James # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Colquhoun Subject: Re: (orbital) 9.9.99 Date: 08 Aug 1999 10:29:49 -0400 LightThief@aol.com wrote: > > Has anyone in America seen the promos for the MTV music video awards. > There is one where there is this opera music playing with a breakbeat of some > sort along with it, the one with stupid m&m candy. I think that song is > amazing, but I have no idea what it is. Does anyone on here know what I'm > talking about? I would be so happy to find out. Along the same lines, I caught the last bit of rur on friday, and during the closing credits they played a video that they never credited. It was good, I can't really remember what style tho, although I think it was kinda mellow, trippy DnB, and the video had a guy lying down, and kind of floating thru space. HE looked a bit like Trickey, and I thought it was him, except there wasn't any Trickeyesque vocals. He was wearing a gold coloured suit and had wierd coloured eyes. What was this song? -- If a synchronized swimmer starts to drown, does the partner have to drown too? My rather bad web page at: http://i.am/DataSquid # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Trym Asserson" Subject: Re: (orbital) Leftfield + TBH(AE M) + Q4 + TE F (777) Date: 09 Aug 1999 11:42:20 GMT >hi orbital headz :) howdy y'all. been pretty busy doing nothing lately so i figured i'd revive myself again with a bit of dis'n'dat. :) >I was just browsing through www.sirencd.com and found this : > >Rhythm & Stealth (+1) Australian edition of this 1999 album >includes bonus track "Phat Planet" (Version 2). 11 tracks total. >Release Date: 20-Sep-99 And for those who want a taste of it before that, Face said something in the lines of 23rd of August as release date for the "Afrika shox" ep preceding the album. It too should after plans contain a version of "Phat Planet". There was actually a full-feature article on Leftfield in the July issue (I think, well at least the one with the Empress from Star Wars on the cover), not just a note of the release date, so it's apparently coming from the two themselves. "Two Bass Hit", the AE mix on Squarepusher's new "Maximum Priest EP" is good, a bit of a mixture I guess of AE's machine sounds mixed with what I gather must be a characteristic Squarepusher sound. Never heard anything else of Squarepusher, but the new EP was fair enough for "first contact". Also picked up the "Virus" 12"? by Ed Rush + Optikal, with Watermelon and Sick Note; phat drum'n'bass, reminds me a lot of TeeBee & K (the two Norwegians releasing 12"s in a hurry at the moment with no stop in material coming out both in collaboration and on solo). Also, there's a new drum'n'bass duo here in Norway called "Quadrant 4", their new "Uhuru EP" was just released and has received somewhat good acclaim from the critics with comments such as "up the LTJ Bukem alley", but with a disadv. of not being too innovative and rather producing pretty ordinary drum'n'bass. Perhaps a surprise is the inclusion of real instruments such as electric guitar, percussions, some african instruments, etc. rather than just relying on the machines. And the biggest surprise, it's not bad for the two 16 year-olds. Pay attention to them, if they're already releasing material now, I'm positive they'll probably get their own distinct sound as they get older and get more experience with gigs, etc. Steve, if you're going to the Total Eclipse festival (and in case you're bringing a camera), could you please get a few snapshots of System 7 for me, please. It seems they always play UK while I'm in Norway so until I can sort out that problem, I'll have to resort to reviews and pics of their gigs. If anyone else is going (only seen Steve mention this yet), please if you bring cameras and think of seeing System 7, I'd appreciate pictures. Regards! Trym "Couldn't this lengthy therapy be replaced by tranquil- ising drugs?" - Biosphere, 'Tranquillizer' Biosphere Zine : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceetba/apollo/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: coolness@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Hello Date: 09 Aug 1999 08:44:10 -0700 The Lo Fidelity Allstars/Crystal Method Community Service tour from Worcester, MA July 10 will be re-broadcast on WBCN Radio in Boston, MA Saturday, August 7th at 9:30 pm ET at 104.1 on your radio dial Did anyone get this recorded? http://www.lofidelityallstars.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) TBH(AE M) Date: 09 Aug 1999 21:08:37 +0100 At 11:42 09/08/99 GMT, Trym Asserson wrote: > >"Two Bass Hit", the AE mix on Squarepusher's new "Maximum Priest EP" is >good, a bit of a mixture I guess of AE's machine sounds mixed with what I >gather must be a characteristic Squarepusher sound. and more clever stuff with the tempo (or am I just imagining that it speeds up ever-so-gradually?). Not as good as most of 'EP7' or 'LP5' though. >Never heard anything >else of Squarepusher, but the new EP was fair enough for "first contact". the last album (there are remixes of tracks from it on 'Maximum Priest') was more jazy than this EP. I didn't really like it. His older stuff is more programmed, less live instruments, sometimes pushing Paradinas and co for the drill 'n' bass crown. Jon - "Don't tell me how to live my life and don't ever stop the music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nemesis1 Subject: Re: (orbital) SID on Style? Date: 09 Aug 1999 22:22:28 +0100 At 00:09 9.8.1999 +0000, deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: >Yeaaah! 8) >We actually had this discussion on #c-64 already, (hmm been quite a while since I stopped by on ircnet or #c-64... hi to you all ;) > it DOES sound alot like a c64, but it apparently was a Stylophone, hence the name Style? :) >some low-tech build-yourself kinda synth from the early eighties if >i got that right! >That thing might have used a 6581 SID-chip though as it was >the first programmable synth-chip ever from what i read and has had a >very big impact on computer and synth development! It's even listed >in the top 10 of the most important chips in computer history! >Together with the 8086, the Pentium, the Z80 and others.. heh :) I just wonder what the results might be if the P+P brothers would get their hands on a SIDStation =) and the good ol' SID still rules :-) ahem... 8) >By the way, i use this opportunity to announce that i'm one of these >'freaks' that still use a c64 more power to c64 junkies, you are a great crowd ;) I won't forget TP7 and the c64 version of 2nd Reality :> and I had an excellent time with some finnish c64 freaks at asm95 (tbb, tnt, zardax, and lots of others :) damn... there should have been a mix of style using SIDs ;) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net feed me music (beware the sheep) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: (orbital) Fw: free RealJukebox downloads Date: 10 Aug 1999 15:19:47 -0400 Thought this might be of relevance, because of the recent talk on Mocean Worker. Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 > If you've got RealJukebox Beta 2, we've got some downloads for you: > > Video: > To Rococo Rot - Telema, Sven Vath - Fusion, Roots Manuva - Juggle Tings > Proper, Mocean Worker - Detonator, Expansion Union - Playing with > Lightning. > > Audio: > Sly and Robbie - Softcore Surge, Sven Vath - Fusion (MP3), Mocean Worker - > Detonator (MP3), Mocean Worker - Counts, Dukes, and Strays, Expansion > Union - Playing with Lightning (MP3), > > http://www.sputnik7.com/realdownload/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ender Wright" Subject: (orbital) Atomic Babies Date: 10 Aug 1999 16:18:58 EDT I was listening to a cd this weekend. It's one I've owned for a while, but never really paid attention to. It's cutely named "Digital Empire." I don't know if it's a popular comp' with you guys or not, but track two on the second cd really caught my attention. I mean I was enthralled. I was shocked to find I had overlooked something I liked so much. I decided to do a little research on these Atomic Babies and their alluring song "smiles." So when I got to work today I did a little surfing (first for mp3's then just for more info) but still didn't manage to find much. UBL and iMusic have little clips of them but that's about all I could grab. I was hoping someone on the list could point me in the right direction. I understand they have one album out and about a million other songs spread over various other comp's. Which stores might carry them, and where can I go to find where their playing? Thanx for your Time and Space... -Ender _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: Re: (orbital) (( Re:Fatboy + Earthdance + rush )) [in stereo] Date: 10 Aug 1999 22:57:56 -0400 > Sueter.net will help to produce EARTHDANCE CHILE at Oct. Yeah Yeah. Sta= y > tunned 4 the real video transmission. yay for earthdance i'll be at earthdance toronto aim=E9e - off on vacation until the 19th.. no power, no showers, no flush toilets.. now that's the life http://shush.com/aimee http://baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[::Daniel Ramirez_owo voyager_Temuco::]" Subject: (orbital) C00l pics of the orbital crew here Date: 11 Aug 1999 02:43:45 -0500 Aimee Couture wrote: > http://www.baked.net/orbitalinfo/images.html Ohhh !!!! I want to be here!. Nice idea Aimée!. Are you kinda pokemon ? [see the pic] [I can't find your pic Rob Sch.!!! ] [ : D ] Greet. from Chile [the wine's country remeber ?...] love & peace at this great planet.- Dan.- -- ©©©©©©©©©__________________ **** ! !]!]! owovoyager!]!]!thedisinneverbe..the s a m e [design_76 craft] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[::Daniel Ramirez_owo voyager_Temuco::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) C00l pics of the orbital crew here Date: 11 Aug 1999 02:52:07 -0500 Do you want to see more pics? click here : http://www.sueter.net/concentration__/4_jul10_1999_ArteMatta/sueter4.htm That was the last sueter's party at Santiago de Chile. [Saturday July 10] The next party is August 26 I think. Not sure yet. Hope you like the design : P owo [wine's country] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Orbital Train Station. Date: 11 Aug 1999 14:51:36 -0700 Well the fatboy slim/orbital mp3 is due to some small abuse and the fact that i had 100| people leech it and 1 person upload. Not cool. It seemed some lameass put it on some sort of list.. Double Not Cool. Anyways i saw Orbital Live At The Train Station in Seattel 96 on a real audio site. I was at the show, being as i'm in seattle and i wanted to go from Real Audio to Mp3. I know it is possible to do RA->WAV->MP3 somehow but i haven't a clue. Which software do i need to acquire? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) http://www.800.com/bannerad.asp?keycode=103239 Date: 11 Aug 1999 15:29:44 -0700 I am not spamming and i make NO money from This. But i figured i'd sahre this deal i already bought 5 DVDs.. http://www.800.com/bannerad.asp?keycode=103239 They charge no shipping and no sales tax. Its 8$ off any movie 15$+ If you delete your cookies and go in again and just setup another account under another email (excite, hotmail) you can use it again and again. I have like 30 email accts os i play on buying a bunch of dvds :0 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Music one Date: 11 Aug 1999 15:32:20 -0700 http://www.800.com/bannerad.asp?keycode=103240 Same rules apply. Again if this pissed you off tell me i wont do it again but its SUCH A FREAKIN steal i wann tell the world. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Country-->Song Lyrics-> Sherly CRow Date: 12 Aug 1999 21:45:46 -0700 I'm doing a tracklist for my lilith fair recording lyrics are somethign like this It's a country cover song by sherly crow feat. luscious jackson Anyone have any ideas who sang this Momma's got a squeeze? that she wears on her chest When Daddy gets home he never gets to rest Cuz she' playing all night, and the musics all right Momma's got a secret? and daddy never sleeps at night hey hey hey hey come on squeeze me squeeze me night night and day Please help me, i know its not really on topic :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) Country-->Song Lyrics-> Sherly CRow Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:00:43 -0400 angel@dimension6.com wrote: > > I'm doing a tracklist for my lilith fair recording lyrics are somethign > like this > > It's a country cover song by sherly crow feat. luscious jackson > > Anyone have any ideas who sang this > > Momma's got a squeeze? that she wears on her chest > When Daddy gets home he never gets to rest > Cuz she' playing all night, and the musics all right > Momma's got a secret? and daddy never sleeps at night > > hey hey hey hey come on squeeze me > squeeze me night night and day This is the way I remeber it from the original 70's song by ?The NittyGrittyDirtBand or Jim Croce'? "Momma's got a she wears on her chest" {i.e. it's is like an accordian with no keyboard} "When Daddy gets home he never gets NO rest" "Cuz she plays it all night and the music's all right "Hey, come on and SQUEEEEEEZE me" "Hey, come on and SQUEEEEEEZE me" "Squeeze me like you do ..." "I'm so in Love with you" "Momma's got a squeeze-box, daddy never sleeps at night" Wasn't really country. Just funky hippie rock. SKC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: Re: (orbital) Country-->Song Lyrics-> Sherly CRow Date: 12 Aug 1999 22:09:31 -0700 > This is the way I remeber it from the original > 70's song by ?The NittyGrittyDirtBand or Jim Croce'? > > "Momma's got a she wears on her chest" > {i.e. it's is like an accordian with no keyboard} > "When Daddy gets home he never gets NO rest" > "Cuz she plays it all night and the music's all right > > "Hey, come on and SQUEEEEEEZE me" > "Hey, come on and SQUEEEEEEZE me" > "Squeeze me like you do ..." > "I'm so in Love with you" > "Momma's got a squeeze-box, daddy never sleeps at night" > > Wasn't really country. Just funky hippie rock. > > SKC YES YOU RULE! That is exactly the song. Now what's it called and whose it bye :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) Country-->Song Lyrics-> Sherly CRow Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:11:10 -0400 > > "Momma's got a squeeze-box, daddy never sleeps at night" > > > > Wasn't really country. Just funky hippie rock. > > > > SKC > > YES YOU RULE! That is exactly the song. Now what's it called and whose it bye I think it's called "Squeeze-box". It may take the old neurons a day to remember. You could call any oldies Rock Dj and he could probably tell you in a sec! Gotta giit ShannON # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catinosboy@aol.com Subject: Re: (orbital) Country-->Song Lyrics-> Sherly CRow Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:09:00 EDT In a message dated 8/12/99 0:05:48 AM EST, campbell@scanner.ipl.utmck.edu writes: << I think it's called "Squeeze-box". It may take the old neurons a day to remember. You could call any oldies Rock Dj and he could probably tell you in a sec! >> It was The Who. Brent # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Recycled music... Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:28:58 -0400 Music for thought: Squarepusher's "Dimotane Co" has a extensively-used sample that also used on the "You Remixed Gong" tribute album. (I think it's Moodfood's song, the first track.) Meat Beat Manifesto's "All the Things You Are" contains a sample saying "Give the Lord a handclap" that is used quite a bit on Dayspring Collective's "Deliverance". Plaid's "Forever" is actually a small tribute to the 70's progressive jazz band "Return to Forever". The song is an electronic version of the beginning riff of "Medieval Overture" on Return to Forever's "Romantic Warror". This surprised the hell outta me when I first heard it. (BTW, they are a cool synth-laced jazz band. You should check out Romantic Warrior.) u-Ziq's My Little Beautiful's main keyboard riff was pulled off of a Weather Report song. Anybody know which one? (I know it's off of their "Heavy Weather" album.) Mocean Worker's "What's Wrong" contains a "What's wrong?" voice sample that is also used in Orbital's "Out There Somewhere?". Both were gleaned off of George Lucas' first film "THX 1138". Can anybody provide more sample rips? The techno community is really good at grabbing from unobvious places, but a few catch our attention now and then. (Like the many, many commercials and movies with Doom sounds.) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sean Strout" Subject: (orbital) i dont know you people (radio edit)? Date: 12 Aug 1999 03:09:51 -0400 hey folks, a local non-commercial station is playing 'i don't know you people' in regular rotation http://wber.monroe.edu/play.html The thing is this sounds like a sortened track, not the full length album version. Just curious was this released on a promo or somewhere? It sounds like just a shortened version, no additions or tweaks. later, sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: (orbital) Re: samples Date: 12 Aug 1999 10:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Excerpts from lists: 12-Aug-99 (orbital) Recycled music... by SineSwiper@resonatorsoft > > Can anybody provide more sample rips? The techno community is really good > at > grabbing from unobvious places, but a few catch our attention now and then. > (Like the many, many commercials and movies with Doom sounds.) > there are thousands... I'm not very good at tracing the origin though, my music knowledge base isn't big enough. There is a web site out there with a rather extensive (but by all means nowhere near complete) list of movie samples; most of it was industrial music but there was a lot of other stuff. I don't have the URL handy (I forgot which copy of netscape has it bookmarked.) I think the most sampled movie was Bladerunner. later, Aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) {Orbital} Happy Birthday Early-Style! Date: 12 Aug 1999 12:42:10 -0400 Happy Birthday to me! EARLY too! Came home yesterday and looked down onthe Coffee table and what did I see? Orbital Style Part.2! Poor Dawn had left it out and forgotten to wrap it up for the upcoming day! So I got an early present, hee hee! And she paid $12!!!! [bless her heart] Well Kulsi had dubbed these tracks for me last week so I could hear them. But it SOOO nice to have the sleeve and all too. [i felt a little guilty having someone dub theirs for me] I had done the samples at LOOPZ but it's great having the whole enchilada! If Volkswagon REALLY wanted to sell some Beetles, they'd use "New Style" to do it. This song jusst f*kin ROCKS! It's so 60's retro. That simple bass-line is straight from the Velvet Underground, and the bass-synth thing running along side IS the Doors. Kids! Those vocals are pure 60's idealism and golden days. First the male "Ba-Ba-Bah" a few times, finally complimented with the female hi wail. GOD it makes me trip![Look Ma! No chemicals!] just emotional sound! I know y'all covered this before, but could we get a replay on the meaning of "An Fhomhair" and who Pooka is? "Zee female vocal is a mind-altering Veapon! I kahn take any country in za Vorld! if I hahf three divsions of amplified zoldiers carrying loudspeakers und crankin' zee Orbital vomens! [sorry to offend any deutch listers for my moronic impression of audio nazis] I love BigPipe Style. It gets my scottish Blood boiling. In fact we were out in the yard catchin' rays on saturday and chasing them with a few bottles of Corona and I was tellin' Dawn how we need to incorporate the Highland Fling into our dance grooves, and with that I attempted to demonstrate a kick [in wet flip-flops i might add] and promptly busted my Arse! and my ankle on the landing. I tell you it was just like Riverdance there for a moment [until the pain kicked in]. Well luckily I didNOT break the MF*ckr; just a bit blak n' blu.. Hey does anyone know an online site [pref u$a] still selling Style Part1 we're having trouble finding it over here SHIIIT! I gotta do some work now or no discs for me! Shannon /|||\ >>>-( X X )--> \ ^ / [O] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Skip Acuff" Subject: Re: (orbital) Country--> Squeeze Box Date: 12 Aug 1999 11:23:16 -0700 The Who sang that. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #236 Date: 12 Aug 1999 12:00:33 -0600 (MDT) > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=139245794 > ORBITAL/UNDERWORLD-FOUNDATIONS > UK 2xLP RARE interesting. what the hell is it? > NP: Cosmic Baby - Sweet dreams for kaa (Orbital-fans who like > Semi-detached and the more trancey stuff should give this a try!.. > Very good old stuff from the early german techno days! Further tracks > recommended: The Space track, Heaven's tears... 8) i have a couple things by this guy. spacetrack is a classic. not a big fan of his second album. too much cheesy piano. is this one - "sweet dreams..." his first album? i've looked for it but not been able to find it. speaking of germans (i think) anybody a fan of mouse on mars? my friend bought "autoditacker" randomly the other day, and it turned out to be very good. a very chill blend of idm and techno with lots of "squishy" noises. who knows about these guy? what can you tell me? don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but i think the plaid - peel sessions is an excellent intro purchase for the plaid-illiterate. ultra funky badass techno, and not one bad cut in the bunch. nub np: phish- story of the ghost (wow - orgasms of melody, especially "guyute") # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rain@xkrew.com Subject: Re: (orbital) Geesh? Date: 13 Aug 1999 10:54:32 -0700 You were the lone uploader :) till yesterday I'm going to open a live mp3 site.. about 5-10 gigz. Acces will be by request only and what you can offer. My ICQ is 9080014. I have tons of VCDs.. always looking to swap also. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital Train Station. Date: 12 Aug 1999 15:07:01 -0400 > Anyways i saw Orbital Live At The Train Station in Seattel 96 on a real audio > site. I was at the show, being as i'm in seattle and i wanted to go from Real > Audio to Mp3. I know it is possible to do RA->WAV->MP3 somehow but i haven't a > clue. Which software do i need to acquire? I'm sending this to this list because I swear the question gets asked at least once a month on every single mailing list I'm on.... Go to www.2bsys.com and download RA2WAV. Then, use a decent MP3 encoder to put if back into MP3. (Please don't ask which is the best encoder to use :)). If the file is a pnm stream, you'll also need 2bsys' x-fileget program to download it. If it's an HTTP stream, you can get it easily enough with any download resumer (browsers will always try to play it instead of downloading it.) I prefer Go!Zilla (www.gizmo.net), but GetRight is an even more-popular alternative (www.getright.com). Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Masciana Subject: (orbital) cosmic baby/info, etc Date: 12 Aug 1999 13:18:12 -0700 >> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=139245794 >> ORBITAL/UNDERWORLD-FOUNDATIONS >> UK 2xLP RARE > >interesting. what the hell is it? this album is a compilation with an exclusive Orbital track: THe tranquilizer busy tranquilizing. It's a variation on the Tranquilizer from the "Times Fly" cd single. >> NP: Cosmic Baby - Sweet dreams for kaa (Orbital-fans who like >> Semi-detached and the more trancey stuff should give this a try!.. >> Very good old stuff from the early german techno days! Further tracks >> recommended: The Space track, Heaven's tears... 8) > >i have a couple things by this guy. spacetrack is a classic. not a big fan >of his second album. too much cheesy piano. is this one - "sweet >dreams..." his first album? i've looked for it but not been able to find >it. This is from his first album, and I'm glad to see that someone else noticed it's brilliance as well. However, i'm convinced that Paul Van Dyk had a large part on this track. Van Dyk's material is sheer brilliance IMO, and this track is co-produced with Van Dyk. Cosmic and Paul used to be in a band together (visions of shiva) but Cosmic broke it off after Paul was taking too much of the credit (or at least the story goes...) i agree with you on his second album, it's a bit cheesy, but there are a few killer tracks (Fantasia, etc.) Looks like Cosmic should have minded his words, Paul Van Dyk has risen to stardom and Cosmic seems like a thing of the past (at least in the US and UK). His new material is not worth picking up, by the way... >don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but i think the plaid - peel >sessions is an excellent intro purchase for the plaid-illiterate. ultra >funky badass techno, and not one bad cut in the bunch. really that good? worth purchasing? Take care, jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Would Orbital ever sell out? Date: 12 Aug 1999 16:29:40 -0500 > If Volkswagon REALLY wanted to sell some Beetles, they'd use "New Style" > to do it. I'm sure Orbital's songs would make great jingles for some products (ie- cars, video games, movies), and that Orbital succeeds in booking some opportunities such as with the Wipeout series. Would the brothers go for more opportunities if they were offered them? Have they refused any to anyone's knowledge? Considering Orbitals stance against capitolism, etc (please don't flame me if that's wrong = ), I don't think they would go for the same kind of publicity that musicians such as Fatboy Slim receive. Would it be a good thing if they were all over different medias? If everyone knew about them? I was surprised to hear they hit the top 100 sales on CDNOW (does anyone know which number they were/are?). I'm not really sure what I'm talking about, but I've probably inspired some responses. -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) Would Orbital ever sell out? Date: 12 Aug 1999 16:47:04 -0500 > If Volkswagon REALLY wanted to sell some Beetles, they'd use "New Style" > to do it. I dont think they would be sellouts if they wanted to use as many of their songs as Fatboy and Crysal Meth. have used in commercials. I just think it boils down to if they are enjoying themselves. After all, they are all in it to make a little cash,right? (if not then why did they sign the record deals). As long as they dont start being TOLD what to write and if it conflicts with their own interests. That is they fine line between artists and sellouts. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Would Orbital ever sell out? Date: 12 Aug 1999 14:59:49 PDT Dude, I'm here with you all the way on that one. I'm sure Orbital has had the chance to get much bigger than they are. Believe me, they're not hurting financially, I'm sure they are doing quite well, so why get huge for the sake of getting huge? It ends up not even paying them, but paying all the business people that helped to make them that way (marketing, sales, promotion, etc). Also, they seem to have a de-emphasis on marketing in general. I'm a Marketing major, and I've sort of researched how Orbital are able to "get by" up until now, and it's brilliant. They have really not only gone against the music world musically, but in the business side of things as well. I mean, other than the stickers and frisbees and stuff, they don't exactly plaster the cover of Rolling Stone and rule the airwaves of MTV and radio. You know, Ricky Martin is not the hottest thing around because he's such a good artist, he's popular because his marketing mix has worked. I'm not ranking on him at all, but I'm saying that there are probably a thousand other techno groups out there that are wonderfully good, but just can't bring the marketing aspect into focus. Orbital is unique in their stance on the music industry, and I find it amazing that they can stand alone like they do, almost faceless, and still have the recognition and artistic merit that they have. I can think of few artists that can do this. I think someday Orbital will be seen with much greater respect than they are now. I think they are so humble in their music and message that it makes the message much deeper and personal. By the way, I could picture Orbital doing some cheesy VW commercials, or having a laugh by doing the remake of the Danger Mouse cartoon(I love that one!), or something else that they could twist around and get a laugh out of. In a way, I'd like to see Orbital just sort of "step out of the shadows" and begin to throw there music on MTV and stuff, but that might take away from the music and the message. Ok, hope you all liked my ode to Orbital. Later Rob _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Would Orbital ever sell out? Date: 12 Aug 1999 18:08:59 -0400 Marc Sawaya wrote: > > I don't think they would go for the same kind of publicity > that musicians such as Fatboy Slim receive. Why is FBS is universal capitolist bad guy all the time? Let's face it: techno isn't popular. We all cry out "Hey, I know that song" whenever some techno song pops up on TV, like it's a major event. Techno lovers are only about 5-10% of the music-listening population. So, nobody in the techno industry is really "sold out". Even if they are popular, they aren't necessary "selling out". Bands like Metallica, who changes their musical style to fit the highest selling bracket, sells out. Just the fact that you're in the techno music business means you can't sell out, because you don't make as much as, say, a standard rock group. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Invergo Subject: Re: (orbital) Would Orbital ever sell out? Date: 12 Aug 1999 16:35:32 -0700 (PDT) > > Why is FBS is universal capitolist bad guy all the > time? i think the reason most people seem to consider fatboy slim as a sellout is that his music is plastered all over anything popculture in america (there's a nice, broad statement...sorry, a little exagerrated). the only reason this happened is because his form of music is a melding of techno and what's pop right now. since it's this sort of hybrid, it seems a lot of techno purists (including me, he he he) consider him as a sell-out. it's like he special-tailored his music so that it'd fit in with what could pull in the fat cash. this may or may not be true. his first album has a lot of the same style as the second one (though i haven't heard the second one as much) even though the latter is much more popular. so, it might be that his music has remained the same, how he wanted it, however the marketing magicians have made it a commercial success. correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe FBS has been around for a while under many various names. i'm guessing that music was comparible to his current stuff. either way though, i still think he sold out because he got his marketing guys (or maybe it wasn't his choice...prolly was though) to get his music on all the radio stations and MTV and his name in all the hip magazines that know what's dope and what's not. yo. brandon god i ramble a lot...kick me! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #238 Date: 12 Aug 1999 18:09:41 -0600 (MDT) > Why is FBS is universal capitolist bad guy all the time? Let's face it: techno > isn't popular. We all cry out "Hey, I know that song" whenever some techno song > pops up on TV, like it's a major event. Techno lovers are only about 5-10% of > the music-listening population. So, nobody in the techno industry is really > "sold out". bullshit bullshit bullshit! #1: techno is all over american television, even if they don't play the videos on mtv - virtually every commercial you see drops something by chems/crystal method/fatboy/etc. because it is considered "hip" and "new" by moronic americans that don't realize how derivative it is and how much else is really out there. these bands _have_ sold out, because they have realized the commercial potential of their particular brand of rock/techno and have milked it for all (and more than) it's worth. disclaimer: i _like_ fatboy slim, to an extent. i also really like "hey boy hey girl" but don't tell anyone... #2: just because techno isn't mainstream in america (as it is in europe), doesn't mean it's not popular. the chem's "surrender" and MoN are both top sellers at CDnow. the reason bands like orbital don't get played on the radio much is because their record company isn't paying the radio stations enough. now i'm not saying that these aforementioned groups are a big commercial sell-out machine a la ricki martin - that is, i'm sure they have the interest of the music predominantly at heart. however, when you sign a huge record deal, you also sign away many of your rights as an artist. if you send them an album and they decide it doesn't have enough commercial potential, they can easily decide not to promote it, or worse, not release it. i don't know if any of these bands have specifically catered to the record company/public in this way, but i don't think it's outside the realm of possibility. that's all i want to say about that. i just joined the idm-list on hyperreal. anyone else over there? it would be nice to see some familiar keystrokes. later, nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Re: Popular vs. selling out Date: 12 Aug 1999 21:26:17 -0400 Nub wrote: > > bullshit bullshit bullshit! > > #1: techno is all over american television, even if they don't play the > videos on mtv - virtually every commercial you see drops something by > chems/crystal method/fatboy/etc. because it is considered "hip" and "new" > by moronic americans that don't realize how derivative it is and how much > else is really out there. these bands _have_ sold out, because they have > realized the commercial potential of their particular brand of > rock/techno and have milked it for all (and more than) it's worth. Fuck TV commericials! You don't hear techno in radio. The only things I've heard are FBS's Praise You (one of his worse songs) and LFAS's Battleflag (I guess because rapping is involved). Techno may be more popular then its ever been, but techno is still not popular. (Remember, pop = popular.) Sorry, it's not popular until MTV's puts AMP on a better schedule. (3 AM doesn't count.) > disclaimer: i _like_ fatboy slim, to an extent. i also really like "hey > boy hey girl" but don't tell anyone... Hey, Surrender has some cool "lead-in" songs, including HBHG. > #2: just because techno isn't mainstream in america (as it is in europe), > doesn't mean it's not popular. the chem's "surrender" and MoN are both top > sellers at CDnow. the reason bands like orbital don't get played on the > radio much is because their record company isn't paying the radio stations > enough. Comparing figures with Internet buyers is pointless. Quite a bit of the power Internet users listen to techno. Let's go turn on the top 40 radio station. Nope, no techno here. Even on CDNOW, the top 10 are: 2 female singers, 4 rock bands, 2 teen-boppers, 1 comedy, and 1 soundtrack (female singers mostly). It's not until you get into #16 (Chem Bros), #24 (FBS), and #43 (Moby). (Sorry, no Orbital.) Out of 100 albums, 3 are techno. That's 3%. Big shit! Compare that to 33% of the rock albums...and that's only the bands I reconize. Now, let's go to a more accurate site, like www.top40.com. (Hey, there's actually rap albums in here.) Out of the top 40, ZERO are techno. Nothing. Nada. No techno albums in the top 40 list. Give techno another few years or so. Yes, I know that techno will eventually be the biggest musical genre since rock and surpass what rap and alternative ever was/is, but not today. > now i'm not saying that these aforementioned groups are a big commercial > sell-out machine a la ricki martin - that is, i'm sure they have the > interest of the music predominantly at heart. however, when you sign a > huge record deal, you also sign away many of your rights as an artist. Astralwerks: "Ummm...we're not getting a big enough cut, so we're increasing our percentage to 99%. If you could sign here..." Chem Bros: "Bye." Astralwerks: "Hey, wait... We were just kidding! Guys?" Besides, many of the good labels (like AW, Ninja Tune, Nothing, FFRR, and almost all of the techno labels) are good to their artists, so I seriously doubt any wrong-doing on both parties. > if > you send them an album and they decide it doesn't have enough commercial > potential, they can easily decide not to promote it, or worse, not release > it. i don't know if any of these bands have specifically catered to the > record company/public in this way, but i don't think it's outside the > realm of possibility. Again, tell me the last time that happen in the techno scene. Now, what do we have a problem with? I like FBS's albums. I also like Chem Bros albums, Underworld's, Orbital's, A440's, and various other "popular" techno artists. In none of them do I see a pattern of switching to the most popular form of music to increase the profit margin. In fact, Chem Bros actually changed to a -less- conventional style when they starting getting into a more acid-house sound on Surrender. When money enters a musical question when composing, that's selling out. Nobody's done that so far. So, what are we arguing about? Techno's not popular and nobody's selling out. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Would Orbital ever sell out? Date: 12 Aug 1999 21:10:57 -0500 > Why is FBS is universal capitolist bad guy all the time? Let's face it: techno > isn't popular. Believe me, I'm not ragging on FBS. I actually enjoy Norman's music quite a bit, it's just that he's everywhere, and people like it. He's on the radio, and tube because he uses techniques and samples that may be classified as a bit more mainstream than Orbital, but I don't criticize him for it. It's all very catchy. About techno being unpopular, I'm afraid it's true. I've been trying to convert my sister for the longest time now, and she doesn't seem to be swaying from NSync or Backstreet Boys. I can see that there is a big difference, but she seems to like Utah Saints and FBS. She kinda looks at me funny when Alec Empire is proclaiming "Nobody gets out alive!" or "When you reach your peak it's time to die!". Hee hee. Well, she's only 14. She has plenty of time. Also, I forget if Brendan was talking about Orbital being appreciated "after their time". Sometimes I fantasize (call me weird) about techno becoming the only type of popular music, and Orbital would be viewed on a much higher plane, kinda like the grandfathers or whatever. My grandkids would be saying, "Wow, you listened to Orbital!? How did you know techno would be big?". Hee hee. whatever -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) LFO Date: 12 Aug 1999 21:18:26 -0500 Low Frequency Oscillations, right. As a techno group, I know nothing about them. One thing that has been on my brain for quite awhile now is: is this the same group responsible for the pop hit "Summer Girls"? Or 2 diff. groups with the same name? What's up with that = ). -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital Train Station. Date: 12 Aug 1999 22:16:56 -0500 angel@dimension6.com wrote: > I know it is possible to do RA->WAV->MP3 somehow but i haven't a > clue. Which software do i need to acquire? "RA2WAV" is a software you can use to save a Wav file from a RA file. There's a shareware version you can use. I don't remember the url at this moment. Then translate the *.wav file to *.mp3 file 'as usual'. byep. owo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Thompson Subject: (orbital) LFO CLARIFY Date: 12 Aug 1999 23:22:16 -0500 Hey, L.F.O (Low Frequency Oscillations) IS NOWHERE NEAR the same group responsible for the pile of shit "Summer Girls". The guilty party on that one would be Lyte Funkie Ones (L.F.O.). Yep, so now there are 2 L.F.O's.......but let's just make sure we have them seperated.....as Lyte Funkie Ones are a complete waste of time..... --Don Thompson np --> Ae - Incunabula # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DataSquid Subject: Re: (orbital) LFO CLARIFY Date: 13 Aug 1999 00:48:49 -0400 Don Thompson wrote: > > Hey, > L.F.O (Low Frequency Oscillations) IS NOWHERE NEAR the same > group responsible for the pile of shit "Summer Girls". The guilty party > on that one would be Lyte Funkie Ones (L.F.O.). Yep, so now there are 2 > L.F.O's.......but let's just make sure we have them seperated.....as > Lyte Funkie Ones are a complete waste of time..... Glad to see I wasn't the only one who had to suffer through the teeny awards tonight ;) Also nice to see I wasn't the only one thrown by the fact that LFO were mentioned. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DarkSun3@aol.com Subject: (orbital) Re: samples Date: 13 Aug 1999 03:00:15 EDT hi there orbitalland. for info regarding samples and their sources, check out this page. should be helpful... http://phobos.astro.uwo.ca/~etittley/top_samples/ peas, .aaron ::t h e s p e c t r e w e b : :www.bigfoot.com/~amspectre # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael McComb Subject: (orbital) Lush Date: 13 Aug 1999 04:21:35 Out of lurking mode long enough to ask a question which has been nagging me: On the brown album, Lush 3-2 goes straight into Impact with no break in between. How does Lush 3-2 end on the Lush CD single? Also, I heard that the Underworld mix of Lush is longer on Diversions than on the Lush single. Is this true? Thanks, Michael McComb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) Would Orbital ever sell out? Date: 13 Aug 1999 08:11:10 -0500 >correct me if i'm wrong, but ibelieve FBS has been around for a while under many >various names. i'm guessing that music was comparible to his current stuff. Actually FBS (aka Norman Cook) used to be the bassist in a british "pop" band called the Housemartins in the 80's. It is funny, I used to have all of their albums. Good stuff. >i still think he sold out because he got his marketing guys (or maybe it wasn't his >choice...prolly was though) to get his music on all the radio stations and MTV Do you actually think Paul and Phil would throw a fit if all of a sudden they could make multi-millions (more than they are now) by becoming "more popular"? I think they would, as long as they wouldnt have to sacrifice their style and keep writing how THEY want to write, not the marketing guys. FBS's music really hasnt changed when he became popular...... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #238 Date: 13 Aug 1999 08:14:01 -0500 >these bands _have_ sold out, because they have realized the commercial potential of their >particular brand of rock/techno and have milked it for all (and more than) it's worth. Bullshit Bullshit Bullshit Again, do you think the boys would turn down a million bucks (overstated I know but hopefully the point is made) to do a cool VW commercial? I think not! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Various shit... Date: 13 Aug 1999 12:14:37 -0400 Marc Sawaya wrote: > > About techno being unpopular, I'm afraid it's true. I've been trying to > convert my sister for the longest time now, and she doesn't seem to be > swaying from NSync or Backstreet Boys. I can see that there is a big > difference, but she seems to like Utah Saints and FBS. She kinda looks at me > funny when Alec Empire is proclaiming "Nobody gets out alive!" or "When you > reach your peak it's time to die!". Hee hee. Well, she's only 14. She has > plenty of time. Ditto. My sister is about the same age and has the same problem. Hell, she has her own Backstreet Boys site. (At least I can teach her good web page making skills.) Though, we seem to argee on some of my music. She likes Yes' latest, White Zombie, some of Chem Bros and Orbital, etc. Of course to counter that, she's been having this disturbing trend with listening to country and 80's music. I guess she's open-minded like me, just in the wrong direction :) About the sample thing, I was talking more about when musicians step on other's toes in music. IOW, sample ripping from other songs, not movies. Counting movies and the like would take eons. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (orbital) Lush Date: 13 Aug 1999 10:20:26 -0600 On Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 04:21:35AM +0000, Michael McComb wrote: > On the brown album, Lush 3-2 goes straight into Impact with no break in > between. How does Lush 3-2 end on the Lush CD single? My copy's packed away at the moment but I think it's an early fade -- it ends about fifteen seconds early. > Also, I heard that the Underworld mix of Lush is longer on Diversions than > on the Lush single. Is this true? Yah, they trimmed twenty seconds from it on the "Lush" CD-5, presumably to keep the total time on the single under forty minutes (lame British chart regs). -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com this message powered by fuzzbox - big bang! -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pacific707@aol.com Subject: (orbital) lfo-not THAT lfo Date: 13 Aug 1999 12:34:02 EDT Make no mistake. THAT LFO have nothing to do with Mark Bell - aka LFO. If you haven't had a chance to listen to the 2 LFO releases, Frequencies and Advance, I strongly suggest you seek them out and give them a spin. It's beautiful, mind fucking stuff. James # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Lush Date: 13 Aug 1999 19:28:24 +0100 At 10:20 13/08/99 -0600, Ernie Longmire/Lazlo Nibble wrote: > >On Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 04:21:35AM +0000, Michael McComb wrote: > >> On the brown album, Lush 3-2 goes straight into Impact with no break in >> between. How does Lush 3-2 end on the Lush CD single? > >My copy's packed away at the moment but I think it's an early fade -- it ends >about fifteen seconds early. Ends near enough where the brown CD switches into track 5, fading down, as I recall (mine's packed away too...) >> Also, I heard that the Underworld mix of Lush is longer on Diversions than >> on the Lush single. Is this true? > >Yah, they trimmed twenty seconds from it on the "Lush" CD-5, presumably to >keep the total time on the single under forty minutes (lame British chart >regs). funny thing is my Diversions CD is at about 12:20 where the UK single ends, but that ends at 12:38, as though they've messed around with the speed of it too. And why the hell are 3-5/3-4/3-3 in reverse order on Diversions? And why aren't Lush euro-tunnel and Walk about split like on the Peel Session CD? cheers, Jon - "Don't tell me how to live my life and don't ever stop the music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Myers" Subject: RE: (orbital) Various shit... Date: 13 Aug 1999 12:13:37 -0700 I wouldn't say that techno is "unpopular" at all... just because your sister doesn't listen to it... what about all of the movie trailers that used the Prodigy's "Firestarter" in it? What about the Orb being used in VW commercials? Don't talk about selling out, either... that's making electronic music more palatable to the masses, something that I've always wished would happen. If you ask me, electronic music is the future, and right now it's still just an underground movement. I mean, look at all of the huge bands that are starting to move towards more synths and samples? (U2, Guns N' Roses' next album is supposed to be awesome hardcore from what I hear, and Moby said it's the best he's ever heard). Even "hippie" bands, like Rusted Root (which I'm listening to right now) have some random white noise and synth'd music intertwined with everything else. About sampling, I'm a part of the internet tracking scene, and in this scene, every song you listen to can be taken apart piece by piece, sample by sample, and each sample can be used later in their original format for anyone else's use. It's a beautiful thing, that may not last long, but it really connects all of the trackers that way. I don't see anything wrong with using other people's samples, as long as you give credit to the source. In the tracking scene, you don't even need to get permission, as long as you give credit. Permission in the commercial world is a legal issue, so it's different in that world, but still, credit should be all that's due... -A- > Marc Sawaya wrote: > > > > About techno being unpopular, I'm afraid it's true. I've been > trying to > > convert my sister for the longest time now, and she doesn't seem to be > > swaying from NSync or Backstreet Boys. I can see that there is a big > > difference, but she seems to like Utah Saints and FBS. She > kinda looks at me > > funny when Alec Empire is proclaiming "Nobody gets out alive!" > or "When you > > reach your peak it's time to die!". Hee hee. Well, she's only > 14. She has > > plenty of time. > > Ditto. My sister is about the same age and has the same problem. > Hell, she has > her own Backstreet Boys site. (At least I can teach her good web > page making > skills.) Though, we seem to argee on some of my music. She > likes Yes' latest, > White Zombie, some of Chem Bros and Orbital, etc. Of course to > counter that, > she's been having this disturbing trend with listening to country and 80's > music. I guess she's open-minded like me, just in the wrong direction :) > > About the sample thing, I was talking more about when musicians > step on other's > toes in music. IOW, sample ripping from other songs, not movies. > Counting > movies and the like would take eons. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: (orbital) Re: sellout shit... Date: 13 Aug 1999 15:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Excerpts from lists: 13-Aug-99 RE: (orbital) Various shit... by "Andrew Myers"@u.arizona > commercials? Don't talk about selling out, either... that's making > electronic music more palatable to the masses, something that I've always > wished would happen. If you ask me, electronic music is the future, and hmm... I would have a serious problem with this if certain bands that I liked started watering down their music for mass consumption. I can see an argument for wanting electronic music in general to have more mass appeal, but only if it is with new bands, labels, etc that want to do that sort of thing. But if orbital, t power, plaid, technical itch, or any other non-mass-consumed group I like, just starting writing pop-electronic stuff, how could that possibly be a good thing? Should I really care whether or not the person sitting next to me on the bus knows about the new u-Ziq album? I don't think so... Actually, The more I think about this (the sellout thing), you really can't tell if people are selling out because it all depends on motivation. For example, if Phil and Paul suddenly wake up one morning up and say "shit, we need to make more music like the Backstreet boys. I bet we could make a whole album like that in about 2 days, and then we can sell 2 million copies to kids in the US and make oodles of money" That is selling out, pure and simple. However, if they wake up and say "we should make music like the backstreet boys, just because we like cheesy-happy-pop music", Is this selling out? I'm not sure... it results in the same actions but I'm not sure if I would call this selling out. Excerpts from lists: 12-Aug-99 Re: (orbital) Would Orbital.. by SineSwiper@resonatorsoft >sells out. Just the fact that you're in the techno music business means you >can't sell out, because you don't make as much as, say, a standard rock > group. I think that is total BS... so if Ozric Tentacles' next album is produced by Puff Daddy and sounds a remix of 1980's pop, you automatically say they haven't sold out, just because they don't make much money? that doesn't make any sense to me at all... (please explain!) later, Aronne PS, anyone know the track "sellout shit" by Karl / KFMF? hehe... I shall go listen to that when I get home tonight! :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Orbital in Brazil Date: 13 Aug 1999 21:05:38 +0100 All, back briefly after witnessing the weirdest experience of my life (ie: The Total Eclipse) and some excellent music...ermmm The Total Eclipse Festival. Im off for a few more days (wedding and stuff like that) but ive had a few emails asking about Orbital in Brazil...and YES...they are doing 2 dates in Brazil. Details when i come back Hi to Phil Blake and GF who scared the life out of me at the Festival as i walked from the main stage during the day. Not many people can guess who i am from all them people! :))))))) Phil - get in touch and we will go for a beer next time i am in London. Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Various shit... Date: 13 Aug 1999 16:21:55 -0400 Andrew Myers wrote: > > I wouldn't say that techno is "unpopular" at all... just because your > sister doesn't listen to it... what about all of the movie trailers that > used the Prodigy's "Firestarter" in it? What about the Orb being used in VW > commercials? Don't talk about selling out, either... that's making > electronic music more palatable to the masses, something that I've always > wished would happen. If you ask me, electronic music is the future, and > right now it's still just an underground movement. In one sentence, you say it's popular. In the other, you say it's a underground movement. Well, which is it? I'm not say that it won't BE popular, just that it isn't popular right NOW. > I mean, look at all of > the huge bands that are starting to move towards more synths and samples? > (U2, Guns N' Roses' next album is supposed to be awesome hardcore from what > I hear, and Moby said it's the best he's ever heard). Even "hippie" bands, > like Rusted Root (which I'm listening to right now) have some random white > noise and synth'd music intertwined with everything else. Hmmm...I can trust GNR and Moby about as much as I can throw them, but are we talking about techno hardcore? You know, 120 bpm rave stuff? Anyway, I know about the vast electronica movement. I collect bands that have "seen the light". Garbage, Madonna, Curve, White Zombie, David Bowie, U2, Smashing Pumpkins, Marilyn Manson, Tori Amos, The Cure, and others are among the "converts". You never saw this type of behavior when rap introduced itself. > About sampling, I'm a part of the internet tracking scene, and in this > scene, every song you listen to can be taken apart piece by piece, sample by > sample, and each sample can be used later in their original format for > anyone else's use. It's a beautiful thing, that may not last long, but it > really connects all of the trackers that way. I don't see anything wrong > with using other people's samples, as long as you give credit to the source. > In the tracking scene, you don't even need to get permission, as long as you > give credit. Permission in the commercial world is a legal issue, so it's > different in that world, but still, credit should be all that's due... Yeah, I know about the trax scene. But, since samples can be a major part of the song, it's like hearing the same song again. For example, Union Jack's Morning Glory on S&J Digweed's Northern Exposure sounds EXACTLY like Art of Trance's Cactus on Moontribe's Sound without Walls because of the various sample ripping. I'm not talking about short drum loops or single notes. I'm talking about long chords and riffs that make up a majority of the song. It's like listening to Puff Daddy ripping apart Led Zep's best song (with Jimmy Page's help, that bastard), except not THAT bad. I get it enough with some DJs, which is excusable, but I don't want it with the CDs that I buy. (Hell, techno remixes are almost completely different songs. Why can the sample-stealers just do remixes and completely change the song?) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Quick question... Date: 13 Aug 1999 17:01:48 -0400 Define the catagory for Underworld's Pearl's Girl (Tin There mix) and their mix of Chem Bros's Leave Home (UW Mix 1). I'm thinking something like "Hardcore Bigbeat" because of the 150-200 bpm and bigbeatish sound, but these two songs are something that sounds like it should be a unique catagory. Maybe it's just because they are in a layered format (a la Orbital's GHS), and I love layered songs. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 13 Aug 1999 19:35:02 -0400 "Jim L. Jones" wrote: > > This may be totally out of line for me to say this, but I get the impression > from the way this thread is going that some on this list really don't > consider rap/hip-hop etc. to be a valid music genre, or at the very least > that it is populated by mega millionaire sellout stars. I hate to burst your > bubble on that one, but for every Puff Daddy there are about 100 other > unknowns trying to get in on the game. Rap used to be a valid music genre, back when record stratching and DJs were involved. Old skool rap, if you will. Now, it's filled with no-brainer rappers that do nothing but rip off other artists work or put some simple beat on top of words and call it a song. Take Wil Smith for example. He's a good actor, but his musicianship sucks. He grabs the nearest funk album and puts words on it. > Some I fear have forgotten that techno and rap evolved from a central > source... and still share the same technology... Yeah, except techno is far more creative. > Plus you have to remember that the demographics of the two initally weren't > the same therefore the groups you mention above would not have even been > remotely leaning towards doing anything rap/hip hop like.... > > And remember you now do have groups that have fuzed the rock/hip-hop thing > too.. I'm not going to list them, most of you probably know who they are... Relatively few. I Red Hot Chile Peppers does a sort of Funky Rock gig and Faith No More did some rapping, but everybody is already getting tired of it. Why? It's not musically challenging. -I- could make a rap song if I wanted to. Short answer: Rap is a 10-year fad like 80's music...techno is not. > Don't forget also the whole environment of Jungle/dnb also borrows heavily > from the rap/hiphop culture too, so I would say please don't go dismissing > rap totally out of hand. That just shows a bit of closed-mindedness, and > that's something I really wouldn't expect from an orbital fan... Ummm...trip-hop may borrow from hip-hop culture, but jungle is heavily influenced by jazz, my friend. I know that rap is a source that techno stems from (mostly from bigbeat), but that's another indication that rap is moving towards techno and merging with it, like rock and every other group has. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mehul Parekh I Subject: RE: (orbital) Would Orbital ever sell out? Date: 13 Aug 1999 16:30:57 -0700 (PDT) i am curious as to what we are defining as 'sold out'? I mean, is selling out making a lot of $$, or is selling out mean dishing out records only whose purpose is only to satisfy the crowds and not extend the artists musical talents? Or is selling out mean that the artist is not playing what you are "used" to hear them playing and that is causing a stir in the general media? When asked Paul H. said that the only difference between being 'underground' and popular is that you are not as rich. So, I dont think that orbital would hate the $$, but I think that they would probably not change what they make if they were rich. P&P enjoy what they do, they dont do it for the $$, I dont think. But they have to sign contracts. And they kinda like being left alone. To them it is frustrating when they present the record company with a single and are rejected because they record company assumes that people wouldn't listen to it. a lot of these bands wouldn't be where they are today had it not been for record companies assuming what people want to listen to. of course, remember that 'the box' and 'the saint' did come out on the radio. Hell even in hell-hole des moines. what is my point, i dont know, but i think that different records get different responses. I mean, granted that fbs, chems, crystal method all seem to have loads of $$, they make different music. some people like orbital, a lot of people like the other stuff. i feel like i have rambled. i know i had a point in there somewhere. to summarize, i dont think that orbital would change what they do. i think that p&p know that they have a very strong fan base which is dedicated, and they respect that. So, i think they would stick to their music. i will stop now. === The Mehul mpp001@rocketmail.com mpp001@drake.edu _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Sushi Date: 13 Aug 1999 21:42:10 -0500 Ok, private responses only. Who likes sushi? Don't ask why, just tell me! Tell me if you do or don't. And I better get a lot of responses. = ) -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "morpheus" Subject: Re: (orbital) Various shit... Date: 14 Aug 1999 02:27:25 -0700 > Yeah, I know about the trax scene. But, since samples can be a major part of > the song, it's like hearing the same song again. For example, Union Jack's > Morning Glory on S&J Digweed's Northern Exposure sounds EXACTLY like Art of > Trance's Cactus on Moontribe's Sound without Walls because of the various sample > ripping. > It's funny that you use Union Jack and Art of Trance as an example because they are both aliases for Simon Berry. Almost all of this guys music sounds very similar. He's not ripping samples, he's just not being very creative. > I'm not talking about short drum loops or single notes. I'm talking about long > chords and riffs that make up a majority of the song. It's like listening to > Puff Daddy ripping apart Led Zep's best song (with Jimmy Page's help, that > bastard), except not THAT bad Not to mention Tom Morello from Rage Against the Machine. I think that since Puff Daddy thinks that he's such a gangsta and that he's from the ghetto and shit, some one should send him out to the ghetto and video tape it just so we can all see him get shot by the first person who sees him. (the writer of this statement is not responsible if within the next few months, Puff Daddy is shot in the ghetto) cya morpheus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DataSquid Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital Train Station. Date: 14 Aug 1999 10:58:07 -0400 "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" wrote: > > angel@dimension6.com wrote: > > > I know it is possible to do RA->WAV->MP3 somehow but i haven't a > > clue. Which software do i need to acquire? > > "RA2WAV" is a software you can use to save a Wav file from a RA file. > There's a shareware version you can use. I don't remember the url at this moment. > > Then translate the *.wav file to *.mp3 file 'as usual'. I considered doing the same thing a couple years ago when I picked up that .RA myself. But then I figured, the quality would just be worse. Why put the poor file thru two lossy compression schemes? Just leave it as a .RA and let it be. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DataSquid Subject: Re: (orbital) Quick question... Date: 14 Aug 1999 11:06:00 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > Define the catagory for Underworld's Pearl's Girl (Tin There mix) and their mix > of Chem Bros's Leave Home (UW Mix 1). I'm thinking something like "Hardcore > Bigbeat" because of the 150-200 bpm and bigbeatish sound, but these two songs > are something that sounds like it should be a unique catagory. Maybe it's just > because they are in a layered format (a la Orbital's GHS), and I love layered > songs. How about good? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: (orbital) Rap & Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 12:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Excerpts from lists: 13-Aug-99 Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techn.. by SineSwiper@resonatorsoft > > Don't forget also the whole environment of Jungle/dnb also borrows > > heavily > > from the rap/hiphop culture too, so I would say please don't go > > dismissing > > rap totally out of hand. That just shows a bit of closed-mindedness, and > > that's something I really wouldn't expect from an orbital fan... > > Ummm...trip-hop may borrow from hip-hop culture, but jungle is heavily > influenced by jazz, my friend. I know that rap is a source that techno > stems > from (mostly from bigbeat), but that's another indication that rap is > moving > towards techno and merging with it, like rock and every other group has. I really hope this was just flamebait ... so I don't know why I'm replying to this. And using Will Smith as an example???? Whoa. This is like using Cher's shitty "believe" song as an example for what techno sounds like. Give me a break... I'm sure anyone really into the hip hop scene doesn't think of Will Smith as a rapper. Excerpts from lists: 13-Aug-99 Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techn.. by SineSwiper@resonatorsoft >Rap used to be a valid music genre, back when record stratching and DJs were >involved. Old skool rap, if you will. Now, it's filled with no-brainer >rappers >that do nothing but rip off other artists work or put some simple beat on >top of >words and call it a song. Take Wil Smith for example. He's a good actor, >but his musicianship sucks. He grabs the nearest funk album and puts words >on it. used to be a "valid musical genre" ???? So it ceased being one when in broke into the pop music scene? I'm sure there are loads of rap "artists" unlike Will Smith still out there. Reread my above example with that crappy Cher song. And Techno owes a lot more to the rap & hiphop scene than that... Hiphop did a lot to develop DJ culture (its more than just scratching) and sampling, etc. Anyway, I repeat the original person's statement : "please don't go dismissing rap totally out of hand. That just shows a bit of closed-mindedness, and that's something I really wouldn't expect from an orbital fan..." later, Aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: (orbital) popularity / selling out Date: 14 Aug 1999 17:56:42 +0100 I don't think most of the music charts that we see are very representative of whats actually going on. There are masses of house records being sold all the time but not usually just one which is being sold a whole lot more than the rest ! If there was just one ghastly crappy house record to choose from I guess it would be at the top of the charts even longer than Michael Jackson, which is what a lot of record companies would like. I also think daytime radio playlists originate from record company executives - or they pay people to have no taste of their own. Big business ends up preying on the impressionable but it's nothing personal, they just do their sums and don't realise why they are in the job other than the money ! People get alienated as the big corporates try to get all efficient and centralised which in turn generates problems and the music industry is no exception. If it wasn't for people stubbornly doing what they want despite all of this there would be nothing left for them to sell but that hasn't been translated for them into nice understandable numbers. A small record company is very fortunate if it doesn't have to sell out just a little in order to survive, many good small labels have gone out of business. Thats nothing new but the blame is getting dished out wrongly. This idea that if someones video gets played on MTV a lot or the radio a lot then they have sold out is too simple. This is all meant to be under the control of the artist when and where their records get played ? A lot of the (techno?) artists who are popular now spent years before as much recognition came for what they do, it would have been a lot easier for them to sell out in the first place when it wasn't there. :-) I really love music I listen to it all I can and I feel it, there is music which can have more depth and the more you listen the greater your ability becomes to appreciate all the things about it. Some people just don't care much for it, they might just want some background music or something...I don't think it's any reason to think superiority. If that were true someone who is very good at cooking who has a heightened sensitivity to smell and taste and would have every right to think most of the population really stupid (which definitely includes me). I don't believe that techno will ever become the music of the world in the forms it is recognised as now, great as it is. The sound of early techno was in a way the most limited by the technology, even though within those limits there is infinite possibilities and the more insistent you are with it, the more those limits can be expanded. The technology is improving all the time, but classical instruments still have the best interface for expressing emotion in real time. What I think will happen is that eventually really good interfaces will be developed and the potential of synths/samplers etc will reach a completely new level as more people will be able to use it. But even though people will be using what is regarded now as stuff you use for making techno/house/whatever.. they might be making classical music and calling it.. ...classical music, etc..etc.. Techno will still go on but it will just become like a living museum unless it keeps on embracing new possibilities. I'd rather not have the 'how it should sound' defined at all, thats almost killing it. Just some thoughts I had from reading the last digest, sorry I don't even know who I am responding to ! :-) Thanks, -- -- Mark S-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 13:26:19 -0400 >Rap used to be a valid music genre, back when record stratching and DJs were >involved. Old skool rap, if you will. Now, it's filled with no-brainer rappers >that do nothing but rip off other artists work or put some simple beat on top of >words and call it a song. Take Wil Smith for example. He's a good actor, but >his musicianship sucks. He grabs the nearest funk album and puts words on it. Wow, you are INCREDIBLY ignorant. You don't even have clue 1 about what hiphop culture is all about. Would you say it's fair to judge all of techno by the Chemical brothers and FBS? Probably not, whether you like those two groups or not. Hiphop has a very big, very innovative, and VERY different from mainstream shit underground scene...which you may be seeing come more to the forefront with Mos Def's upcoming show on MTV. Have you even heard of Hieroglyphics, UltraMagnetic MC's, Souls of Mischief, A.L., Latyrx, Blacklicious, Jurassic 5, Mystik Journeymen, J-Live, Guru, Del tha Funkee Homosapien, DJ Qbert, Company Flow, DJ Shadow (DJ Shadow is more than just a triphop DJ...check out his shit on the Latyrx album or Quannum Spectrum), BlackStar, etc., etc., etc.? Probably not because all of these groups are about a lot more than stealing beats and making up bullshit lyrics about stuff they've never experienced. Hiphop culture is still very much alive, my friend. The scratching and stuff you mention is still here...in fact they've even coined the term "Turntablist" for people like Qbert and Cut Chemist who make music with a lot of scratches and turntable manipulation. There's so much good hiphop out there that's all about using Jazz samples (and even Jazz artists sometimes), original lyrics about stuff other than "bustin' caps and fuckin' bitches" (to quote a song by Del). I agree that Puff Daddy sucks and totally steals all his lyrics and beats but to dismiss hiphop based on him just makes you sound stupid. You should check out rec.mmusic.hiphop...where people constantly bust of Puff Daddy for his totally uncreative, stolen, bullshit music. >Yeah, except techno is far more creative. I could play you shit that would blow your mind. >No More did some rapping, but everybody is already getting tired of it. Why? >It's not musically challenging. -I- could make a rap song if I wanted to. You could make a really shitty rap song. >Short answer: Rap is a 10-year fad like 80's music...techno is not. Short Answer: You are closed minded and TOTALLY IGNORANT of real hiphop culture. You've done to rap exatly what you probably hate people to do to techno: judge it by MTV. >Ummm...trip-hop may borrow from hip-hop culture, but jungle is heavily >influenced by jazz, my friend. I know that rap is a source that techno stems >from (mostly from bigbeat), but that's another indication that rap is moving >towards techno and merging with it, like rock and every other group has. You obviously don't know anything about techno either. DnB and hiphop culture do borrow from one another (there's a song on the Roots new album with a little breakbeat flavor)....have you ever been to a DnB rave? Probably not. DnB has some Jazz influence, and so does rap...the shit I listen to has CRAZY Jazz samples and original Jazz material. Also, rap is not merging with techno AT ALL. You have absoloutly no clue what underground hiphop is all about, and yet you've chosen to dismiss it. True hiphop isn't what you see on MTV _AT ALL_...and you are really stupid to dismiss it outright with little to no knowledge about what it really is. I don't care whether you end up liking rap or not, but you obviously don't have all the (or really ANY of the) facts. Just as it's not fair when people dismiss techno because they don't like house or bigbeat...it's not fair for you to dismiss hiphop based on MTV's wack shit. I suggest that you go out and listen to some REAL hiphop before spouting your ignorant, close minded, bullshit, drivel again. ----- funkenstein@mail.rit.edu -------------- Dr. Funkenstein - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 Rap ain't about bustin' caps and fuckin' bitches It's about fluency with rhymin' ingenuity Del tha Funkee Homosapien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 10:38:46 PDT Hey, I have to agree with what you said. There's some mighty nice rap out there, and much of it closely associates with techno. Take DJ shadow for example. He's doing a lot of mixing between the two, and I'm use he's not the only one. All I know is that there is some killer stuff coming from the San Francisco Bay area, and his Quannum project is wicked. There's so much wonderful production and innovative stuff, I mean, it's like MTV never happened, and the DJs are still the ones to watch, coupled with wonderful rhyming fluency. Like I said, I'm sure they aren't the only ones doing this shit. I happen to really enjoy the way D&B and Rap are joining forces, rhyming over some insane beats, and it's happening all over the world. My friend from London came back with this crazy complilation of stuff like that. It had all kinds of insane German, British, and Dutch d&B/Rap. So, I think Rap has a future, as does all types of music, it doesn't just get popular, become a fad, and die out. That's nonsense. Rob Schultz _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 13:50:20 -0400 >the only one. All I know is that there is some killer stuff coming from the >San Francisco Bay area, and his Quannum project is wicked. There's so much >wonderful production and innovative stuff, I mean, it's like MTV never >happened, and the DJs are still the ones to watch, coupled with wonderful >rhyming fluency. Like I said, I'm sure they aren't the only ones doing this No doubt, Quannum Spectrum has got some crazy stuff on it. Really innovative. They're even doing a little crossover stuff (into Soul) with cuts like Lyrics Born's "Hott People". If you like Quannum's stuff check out the Blackalicious A2G EP...Blackalicious is a Quannum artist and Gift of Gab is unreal on the EP. A lot of people say that he's one of the technically best rappers out today. His lyrics dont get a lot of talk...but I like them. >that. It had all kinds of insane German, British, and Dutch d&B/Rap. So, I >think Rap has a future, as does all types of music, it doesn't just get >popular, become a fad, and die out. That's nonsense. What's the name of that comp? At the last DnB rave I was at they had MC's going NUTS over the beats...HELLA fast rapping...and even though it was pretty unintelligable it sounded unreal. I'm looking for CD's that have that type of stuff on them. > >Rob Schultz > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > funkenstein@mail.rit.edu - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 It's wild how you never know where your life could go So many try to slow your roll in these trails of life -Mystik Journeymen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 14:23:46 -0400 "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > Wow, you are INCREDIBLY ignorant. You don't even have clue 1 about what > hiphop culture is all about. Would you say it's fair to judge all of > techno by the Chemical brothers and FBS? Probably not, whether you like > those two groups or not. Hiphop has a very big, very innovative, and VERY > different from mainstream shit underground scene...which you may be seeing > come more to the forefront with Mos Def's upcoming show on MTV. Have you > even heard of Hieroglyphics, UltraMagnetic MC's, Souls of Mischief, A.L., > Latyrx, Blacklicious, Jurassic 5, Mystik Journeymen, J-Live, Guru, Del tha > Funkee Homosapien, DJ Qbert, Company Flow, DJ Shadow (DJ Shadow is more > than just a triphop DJ...check out his shit on the Latyrx album or Quannum > Spectrum), BlackStar, etc., etc., etc.? Ummm...we're talking about rap, dude, not techno. You know, rap...as in, Puff Daddy, Eminem, Dr. Dre, Public Enemy, 2 Pac, LL Cool J, Master P, Ice Cube, Snoop Doggy Dogg, Busta Rhymes, Mase, B.I.G., etc., etc. Now, if you want to throw some rap groups that I never even heard of, be my guest, but that's not proving anything. I can at least say that groups like Chem Bros, FBS, Orbital, and Underworld are good examples of techno. > Probably not because all of these > groups are about a lot more than stealing beats and making up bullshit > lyrics about stuff they've never experienced. Hiphop culture is still very > much alive, my friend. The scratching and stuff you mention is still > here...in fact they've even coined the term "Turntablist" for people like > Qbert and Cut Chemist who make music with a lot of scratches and turntable > manipulation. There's so much good hiphop out there that's all about using > Jazz samples (and even Jazz artists sometimes), original lyrics about stuff > other than "bustin' caps and fuckin' bitches" (to quote a song by Del). Again, we're talking about DJs that would appear in raves. This is techno, probably trip-hop. > I agree that Puff Daddy sucks and totally steals all his lyrics and beats but > to dismiss hiphop based on him just makes you sound stupid. You should > check out rec.mmusic.hiphop...where people constantly bust of Puff Daddy > for his totally uncreative, stolen, bullshit music. EVERYBODY constantly busts Puff Daddy, including the hiphop and rap community. > >Short answer: Rap is a 10-year fad like 80's music...techno is not. > > Short Answer: You are closed minded and TOTALLY IGNORANT of real hiphop > culture. You've done to rap exatly what you probably hate people to do to > techno: judge it by MTV. Question: How much techno do you heard on MTV anyway? Ok, how much rap? I turn on MTV at any given moment and it'll be Road Rules 90% of the time and rap videos 10% of the time. Hell, there was a "Yo! MTV Raps" show about 7-8 years ago on about 4 PM. If that was how popular rap was then, imagine now. (My bad...they're playing some stupid game show. Whatever happened to M-U-S-I-C V-I-D-E-O-S?!) So yes, while there's exceptions to every rule, I can judge most of rap from MTV because there is so much rap being play on there. > You obviously don't know anything about techno either. DnB and hiphop > culture do borrow from one another (there's a song on the Roots new album > with a little breakbeat flavor)....have you ever been to a DnB rave? > Probably not. DnB has some Jazz influence, and so does rap...the shit I > listen to has CRAZY Jazz samples and original Jazz material. Yeah, there's borrowing from everything. But for the most part, DnB borrows from jazz, trip-hop borrows from hip-hop, and bigbeat borrows from rock and rap. Also, you seem to be confusing hiphop with trip-hop. Trip-hop is techno. Hiphop is not. Stuff like DJ Shadow and DJ Food is trip-hop, ok? > Also, rap is > not merging with techno AT ALL. You have absoloutly no clue what > underground hiphop is all about, and yet you've chosen to dismiss it. True > hiphop isn't what you see on MTV _AT ALL_...and you are really stupid to > dismiss it outright with little to no knowledge about what it really is. If all of these bands call themselves hiphop and you say it's not hiphop, then why the fuck is it called hiphop?! Quit confusing everybody! If the underground hiphop is different than the mainstream hiphop, it's called something else. > I > don't care whether you end up liking rap or not, but you obviously don't > have all the (or really ANY of the) facts. Just as it's not fair when > people dismiss techno because they don't like house or bigbeat...it's not > fair for you to dismiss hiphop based on MTV's wack shit. I suggest that > you go out and listen to some REAL hiphop before spouting your ignorant, > close minded, bullshit, drivel again. Real hiphop being anything that's unpopular, right? So, what happens to them when they get popular? Do they magically transform into the "bad hiphop guy" and start making shitty songs? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 14:26:38 -0400 Robert Schultz wrote: > > Hey, I have to agree with what you said. There's some mighty nice rap out > there, and much of it closely associates with techno. Take DJ shadow for > example. News flash: DJ Shadow is techno. Maybe the "DJ" in the name should give you a clue. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 14:56:09 -0400 >Ummm...we're talking about rap, dude, not techno. You know, rap...as in, Puff >Daddy, Eminem, Dr. Dre, Public Enemy, 2 Pac, LL Cool J, Master P, Ice Cube, >Snoop Doggy Dogg, Busta Rhymes, Mase, B.I.G., etc., etc. Now, if you want to >throw some rap groups that I never even heard of, be my guest, but that's not >proving anything. WHAT? Okay so you say that it doesn't prove anything to show you that you haven't heard a lot of what rap is really about. I _agree_ that most of the MTV shit sucks...but that doesn't mean that all of rap sucks. There's tons of stuff that you have never heard that is just as much rap as those MTV guys. > I can at least say that groups like Chem Bros, FBS, Orbital, >and Underworld are good examples of techno. But would you say that those groups represent all of techno? No, obviusly not. There's plenty of groups that do shit that sounds nothing like those groups and they're still considered techno. The Chems, FBS, Orbital, and Underworld don't represent house music, Drum n'Bass, Goa Trance, Trance...etc. Just as they don't represent all of techno, people like Puff, Snoop Dogg, and Ja Rule don't represent groups like Hiero, Jurassic 5, and Blackalicious. >Again, we're talking about DJs that would appear in raves. This is techno, >probably trip-hop. What are you talking about? This sentence doesn't even make any sense. >EVERYBODY constantly busts Puff Daddy, including the hiphop and rap community. That's what I'm saying. >So yes, while there's exceptions to every rule, I can judge most of rap from MTV >because there is so much rap being play on there. Wrong, they play a lot of one kind of rap. They don't play the underground shit and there's a lot of reasons for that. I can't believe that I am telling you that there's rap that sounds and has lyrics nothing like what you hear on MTV and you're disagreeing with me...when you've never even heard of the groups I name! Newsflash: WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, THERE IS MORE TO RAP THAN WHAT THEY PLAY ON MTV. Whether you would LIKE the underground stuff or not is irrelevant, it is DIFFERENT than mainstream shit...you cannot judge rap by MTV! >Also, you seem to be confusing hiphop with trip-hop. Trip-hop is techno. >Hiphop is not. Stuff like DJ Shadow and DJ Food is trip-hop, ok? You are the confused one. DJ Shadow's solo albums are trip hop, I agree. But he works with rap artists as well...he has a whole thing about changing the world of rap and shit. He does one song on the Latyrx album (i.e. he does a beat and people rap over it), and he does a bunch of beats and production work on Quannum Spectrum (another rap album). Dj Shadow doesn't rap HIMSELF but he works with rappers, creates beats, and does production for RAP ALBUMS. >If all of these bands call themselves hiphop and you say it's not hiphop, then >why the fuck is it called hiphop?! Quit confusing everybody! If the >underground hiphop is different than the mainstream hiphop, it's called >something else. You are the only confused one here. You are the only one dismissing a genre of music based on what you hear on MTV. Listen, hiphop includes the mainstream shit AND the underground shit, and you can't judge all of hiphop by listening to one or the other. To judge hiphop as a genre you have to hear the mainstream junk (like PUff Daddy, DMX, Redman, etc.) as well as the underground shit (Hiero, Del, Jurassic 5, etc.). You have heard the mainstream stuff but not the underground stuff...so you are in no position to judge hiphop as a genre. You don't seem willing to accept that the underground stuff is different than the mainstream stuff...but believe me it is. >Real hiphop being anything that's unpopular, right? So, what happens to them >when they get popular? Do they magically transform into the "bad hiphop guy" >and start making shitty songs? No, not at all. GangStarr and the Roots have some popularity, and they're still making good music. Being popular does not mean being bad, but most of the popular stuff out there now is not very good. funkenstein@mail.rit.edu - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 It's wild how you never know where your life could go So many try to slow your roll in these trails of life -Mystik Journeymen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 15:24:01 -0400 "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > WHAT? Okay so you say that it doesn't prove anything to show you that you > haven't heard a lot of what rap is really about. I _agree_ that most of > the MTV shit sucks...but that doesn't mean that all of rap sucks. There's > tons of stuff that you have never heard that is just as much rap as those > MTV guys. Ok, when we go do a "[insert big group of musicians] suck" thing, maybe we should separate them into different sub-catagories. It's like saying techno sucks just because you've been hearing euro. As least techno HAS a sub-catagory for that type of music: Euro. Other types of music might be better (and different) than Euro, so you have other sub-catagories, like bigbeat, house, jungle, ambient, IDM, etc. So, instead of "all of the rap that MTV plays", which is badly definated and overly long-named sub-genre, could we try names like "Old skool rap" and "New skool rap"? > But would you say that those groups represent all of techno? No, obviusly > not. There's plenty of groups that do shit that sounds nothing like those > groups and they're still considered techno. The Chems, FBS, Orbital, and > Underworld don't represent house music, Drum n'Bass, Goa Trance, > Trance...etc. Just as they don't represent all of techno, people like > Puff, Snoop Dogg, and Ja Rule don't represent groups like Hiero, Jurassic > 5, and Blackalicious. Well, what are the damn catagories? Unless we start naming some sub-genres here, this discussion is going nowhere. > >Again, we're talking about DJs that would appear in raves. This is techno, > >probably trip-hop. > > What are you talking about? This sentence doesn't even make any sense. Lemme put it into a few math equations: DJs + techno = raves DJs + rap != raves > Wrong, they play a lot of one kind of rap. They don't play the underground > shit and there's a lot of reasons for that. I can't believe that I am > telling you that there's rap that sounds and has lyrics nothing like what > you hear on MTV and you're disagreeing with me...when you've never even > heard of the groups I name! Newsflash: WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, THERE > IS MORE TO RAP THAN WHAT THEY PLAY ON MTV. Whether you would LIKE the > underground stuff or not is irrelevant, it is DIFFERENT than mainstream > shit...you cannot judge rap by MTV! WHAT THE FUCK IS IT CALLED?!?! Can't I get a fucking sub-genre to pop out of your fucking mouth?! What kind of rap is played on MTV, besides "that shit that they play on MTV"? What kind of rap is not played on MTV? > You are the confused one. DJ Shadow's solo albums are trip hop, I agree. > But he works with rap artists as well...he has a whole thing about changing > the world of rap and shit. He does one song on the Latyrx album (i.e. he > does a beat and people rap over it), and he does a bunch of beats and > production work on Quannum Spectrum (another rap album). Dj Shadow doesn't > rap HIMSELF but he works with rappers, creates beats, and does production > for RAP ALBUMS. So? > You are the only confused one here. You are the only one dismissing a > genre of music based on what you hear on MTV. Listen, hiphop includes the > mainstream shit AND the underground shit, and you can't judge all of hiphop > by listening to one or the other. To judge hiphop as a genre you have to > hear the mainstream junk (like PUff Daddy, DMX, Redman, etc.) as well as > the underground shit (Hiero, Del, Jurassic 5, etc.). You have heard the > mainstream stuff but not the underground stuff...so you are in no position > to judge hiphop as a genre. You don't seem willing to accept that the > underground stuff is different than the mainstream stuff...but believe me > it is. Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 16:03:50 -0400 >So, instead of "all of the rap that MTV plays", which is badly definated and >overly long-named sub-genre, could we try names like "Old skool rap" and "New >skool rap"? Fine. The genres of hiphop are a little less well defined than techno's but they definitely exist. I don't think you're going to like the names I come up with but this is how they're referred to in the hiphop world. MTV stuff usually includes: Mainstream, Thugged Out, Gangsta rap, Hardcore rap, Detroit hiphop (Eminem). The stuff I listen to is (in general) Underground hiphop, and Experimental hiphop. Stuff also gets classified by East Coast, West Coast, Overseas, Canadian, etc...but I don't put much stock in those. There's a lot of gray areas, but for a general discussion those should be good enough. >> >Again, we're talking about DJs that would appear in raves. This is techno, >> >probably trip-hop. >> >> What are you talking about? This sentence doesn't even make any sense. > >Lemme put it into a few math equations: > >DJs + techno = raves >DJs + rap != raves Right...I agree, so what's your point? I'm not seeing the relevance of raves to this. >> You are the confused one. DJ Shadow's solo albums are trip hop, I agree. [snip] >> rap HIMSELF but he works with rappers, creates beats, and does production >> for RAP ALBUMS. > >So? So, DJ Shadow does do hiphop. Every time I make a point you can't argue with you act like you don't know what I'm talking about. You tried to tell me that I didn't know the difference between hiphop and trip-hop and I showed you that I did...including why DJ Shadow is considered a part of both the trip-hop and the hiphop world. >Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! >Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! >Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! >Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Wow, how old are you again? funkenstein@mail.rit.edu - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 It's wild how you never know where your life could go So many try to slow your roll in these trails of life -Mystik Journeymen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Skip Acuff" Subject: Re: (orbital) Test -- please ignore Date: 14 Aug 1999 13:08:54 -0700 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Hip-hop, Rap, and Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 17:27:56 -0400 "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > Fine. The genres of hiphop are a little less well defined than techno's > but they definitely exist. I don't think you're going to like the names I > come up with but this is how they're referred to in the hiphop world. MTV > stuff usually includes: Mainstream, Thugged Out, Gangsta rap, Hardcore rap, > Detroit hiphop (Eminem). The stuff I listen to is (in general) Underground > hiphop, and Experimental hiphop. Stuff also gets classified by East Coast, > West Coast, Overseas, Canadian, etc...but I don't put much stock in those. > There's a lot of gray areas, but for a general discussion those should be > good enough. Hmmmm...the hiphop sub-genres seem pretty vague. I mean Underground hip-hop might not be underground in the future. What's the differences between the genres? > So, DJ Shadow does do hiphop. Every time I make a point you can't argue > with you act like you don't know what I'm talking about. You tried to tell > me that I didn't know the difference between hiphop and trip-hop and I > showed you that I did...including why DJ Shadow is considered a part of > both the trip-hop and the hiphop world. Not exactly. He may help out some other groups, but that doesn't exactly mean he does hiphop. It's like saying Noel of Oasis does techno because he's done vocals for the Chem Bros. Besides, even if he did, there's a fine line between hip-hop and trip-hop that is easy to cross. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: (orbital) Shadow & Hiphop Date: 14 Aug 1999 18:27:54 -0400 >Hmmmm...the hiphop sub-genres seem pretty vague. I mean Underground hip-hop >might not be underground in the future. What's the differences between the >genres? The content (i.e. lyrics), style of delivery, and backing beats/music are what changes between genres. Obviously there's the Puff Daddy crowd that just remakes old Soul or rock songs with stolen beats and silly lyrics. Then there's the mainstream rappers like DMX, Method Man, etc. who kind of walk the line (sonically) between underground and mainstream. Every so often they come up with a decent beat or rhyme, but their style of delivery tends to be hard and their topics are often (not all the time) vacuous and boring. Then there's Gansta Rap like Snoop Dogg, who raps about cop killin', pimpin', and other ghetto stuff. Underground stuff deals with a lot of topics (family, partying, friends, love, hate, black culture, hiphop culture and music, etc.). There's underground stuff that talks about ghetto gangsta shit but more from the point of saying "This is how it is for a lot of people" than glorifying it...talking about not being able to find jobs because of racism...etc. Underground and experimental stuff also tend to use more original and varied backing tracks too...everything from soul music, to Jazz samples, to whatever. The beats on mainstream shit are often just a beat with a few samples. Underground stuff usually has Jazz samples, and that type of stuff tightly integrated into the music. I can't really explain it all here...there's too much to tell and oyu really have to hear it to tell the difference. >Not exactly. He may help out some other groups, but that doesn't exactly mean >he does hiphop. It's like saying Noel of Oasis does techno because he's done >vocals for the Chem Bros. Besides, even if he did, there's a fine line between >hip-hop and trip-hop that is easy to cross. No, you don't understand. He is a co-founder of an ALL RAP label. He doesn't just do guest appearances or whatever...he is HEAVILY involved with hiphop...and now that he's with Quannum probably moreso than he's involved with trip-hop. I agree that Endtroducing and Preemtive Strike are trip hop...but the skirt the line of turntabalism, and ALL of his recent work is with rap. DJ Shadow has found favor among techno people, but he is really a rap DJ. Just look at the way he dresses... ----- funkenstein@mail.rit.edu -------------- Dr. Funkenstein - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 Rap ain't about bustin' caps and fuckin' bitches It's about fluency with rhymin' ingenuity Del tha Funkee Homosapien # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Hey Brendan... Date: 15 Aug 1999 00:38:06 +0000 aka "Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru": Could you just quit sending 10 mails per day? Thank you! And please quit dismissing anything you dislike (Moby, Rap et al) as bad. I feel like telling you that you know shit, yet you have (like someone said it before) a very strong opinion on fucken EVERYTHING.. Do i have to remind you that you didn't even know about Yello or Kraftwerk (might be wrong on the latter, can't quite remember) before you joined this list? Plus you don't know ANYTHING what has happened here in Europe way before you prolly even heard your first techno song! So please quit acting like the big expert on techno, you might have noticed that noone on here except you does that, even though prolly 80% of the list members know a shitload more about techno than you! Give us a fucking break, if you are so egocentric, open your own channel #brendan-the-internet-guru-and-techno-expert and put a babble bot in there so you can tell it your opinions all day long!... I guess i'm not only speaking for myself when i say that i don't really need to hear your opinions ten times a day.. Don't tell me about mailfiltering your stuff, everything is being read here, that's a golden rule!.. I just felt this had to be said.. Thank you for your attention! DeeKay (annoyed - for months) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 16:36:05 -0600 >Ummm...we're talking about rap, dude, not techno. You know, rap...as in, Puff >Daddy, Eminem, Dr. Dre, Public Enemy, 2 Pac, LL Cool J, Master P, Ice Cube, >Snoop Doggy Dogg, Busta Rhymes, Mase, B.I.G., etc., etc. Now, if you want to >throw some rap groups that I never even heard of, be my guest, but that's not >proving anything. I can at least say that groups like Chem Bros, FBS, Orbital, >and Underworld are good examples of techno. it appeared to me that he was talking about rap. anyway, listen to Kool Keith...the stuff he records under any of his multiple pseudonyms is amazing. and you say you can judge most of hip-hop, yet you talk about how throwing in names of groups you haven't heard won't prove anything...if you haven't heard of any of those artists, then you should wait until you've heard them before passing any judgement. it just goes to show that there is plenty of hip-hop you haven't heard. by the way, my friend bought a really cool comp a while back that had a bunch of good hip-hop/jazz like guru, us3, beastie boys, gangstarr, etc. good stuff. >Again, we're talking about DJs that would appear in raves. This is techno, >probably trip-hop. i have a hard time picturing q-bert or dj shadow at a rave..they are hip-hop dj's. >So yes, while there's exceptions to every rule, I can judge most of rap from MTV >because there is so much rap being play on there. you can judge most of commercial rap...there's just as much amazing underground hip-hop stuff, and even some amazing mainstream stuff, as there is commercial stuff on MTV, so you can truly only judge a fraction of rap. >Also, you seem to be confusing hiphop with trip-hop. Trip-hop is techno. >Hiphop is not. Stuff like DJ Shadow and DJ Food is trip-hop, ok? trip-hop isn't techno..trip-hop is trip-hop and it's a lot closer to hip-hop than it is to techno. basically, trip-hop is a more experimental form of hip-hop...it has almost nothing in common with techno except that it sometimes uses electronic instruments, but a lot of hip-hop uses them too. >If all of these bands call themselves hiphop and you say it's not hiphop, then >why the fuck is it called hiphop?! Quit confusing everybody! If the >underground hiphop is different than the mainstream hiphop, it's called >something else. not true..underground hip-hop and mainstream hip-hop both fall under the same general category. one just gets less recognition than the other, although the underground stuff does deserve more recognition. there's your underground "techno" and your mainstream "techno" as well...you consider chemical brothers and underworld techno, but you also consider more underground stuff like plastikman (sorry, i can't think of too many underground techno groups off the top of my head...i memorize stuff by sound, not by artist, plus i'm primarily a trance fan so i'm not too into the underground techno scene) as techno. just because one is more popular doesn't mean it needs a different name. Chris Perkins cdperk@trib.com ICQ #: 32689797 -People in small towns don't know what books are and they don't know what phones are. If you ask them about phonebooks, their heads will explode.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 16:42:01 -0600 just because you have DJ in front of your name does not mean you are techno. once again, research the music before you state information as fact. and DJ Shadow is BY NO MEANS techno. a lot of the stuff he samples isn't even electronic. >> >> Hey, I have to agree with what you said. There's some mighty nice rap out >> there, and much of it closely associates with techno. Take DJ shadow for >> example. > >News flash: DJ Shadow is techno. Maybe the "DJ" in the name should give you a >clue. > Chris Perkins cdperk@trib.com ICQ #: 32689797 -People in small towns don't know what books are and they don't know what phones are. If you ask them about phonebooks, their heads will explode.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 18:12:32 -0700 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > Ummm...we're talking about rap, dude, not techno. You know, rap...as in, Puff > Daddy, Eminem, Dr. Dre, Public Enemy, 2 Pac, LL Cool J, Master P, Ice Cube, > Snoop Doggy Dogg, Busta Rhymes, Mase, B.I.G., etc., etc. Now, if you want to > throw some rap groups that I never even heard of, be my guest, but that's not > proving anything. PE, Busta, old skool Ice Cube and Tupac (hell even old Puff Daddy shit back when he was justa producer) are great examples... > I can at least say that groups like Chem Bros, FBS, Orbital, > and Underworld are good examples of techno. > Chemicals, and Fatboy Slim are HORRIBLE examples of good electronic music (I wont say techno cause FBS aint techno) like some of the above listed hip hop acts turned to shit as their popularity amongst the kiddies and newbies (like yourself) grew. > Again, we're talking about DJs that would appear in raves. This is techno, > probably trip-hop. > You havent been to many raves have you? All the masterful turntablists have appeared at numerous raves across the country. > Question: How much techno do you heard on MTV anyway? Ok, how much rap? I turn > on MTV at any given moment and it'll be Road Rules 90% of the time and rap > videos 10% of the time. Hell, there was a "Yo! MTV Raps" show about 7-8 years > ago on about 4 PM. If that was how popular rap was then, imagine now. (My > bad...they're playing some stupid game show. Whatever happened to M-U-S-I-C > V-I-D-E-O-S?!) > Yo! still comes on my friend. > Yeah, there's borrowing from everything. But for the most part, DnB borrows > from jazz, trip-hop borrows from hip-hop, and bigbeat borrows from rock and rap. > WRONG. DnB doesnt just borrow from jazz...especially not in the beginning...take a trip back in time and school yourself my friend... > Also, you seem to be confusing hiphop with trip-hop. Trip-hop is techno. > Hiphop is not. Stuff like DJ Shadow and DJ Food is trip-hop, ok? > WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM? DJ Shadow is hip hop through and through...people just call it trip hop so much because they dont want unintelligent peeps to lump it in with the Puff Daddy shit.... > > If all of these bands call themselves hiphop and you say it's not hiphop, then > why the fuck is it called hiphop?! Quit confusing everybody! If the > underground hiphop is different than the mainstream hiphop, it's called > something else. > YEAH! Its called HIP HOP. .matthewford. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 14 Aug 1999 17:54:22 -0700 "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > Wow, you are INCREDIBLY ignorant. You don't even have clue 1 about what > hiphop culture is all about. Would you say it's fair to judge all of > techno by the Chemical brothers and FBS? Probably not, whether you like > those two groups or not. Hiphop has a very big, very innovative, and VERY > different from mainstream shit underground scene...which you may be seeing > come more to the forefront with Mos Def's upcoming show on MTV. Have you > even heard of Hieroglyphics, UltraMagnetic MC's, Souls of Mischief, A.L., > Latyrx, Blacklicious, Jurassic 5, Mystik Journeymen, J-Live, Guru, Del tha > Funkee Homosapien, DJ Qbert, Company Flow, DJ Shadow (DJ Shadow is more > than just a triphop DJ...check out his shit on the Latyrx album or Quannum > Spectrum), BlackStar, etc., etc., etc.? Probably not because all of these > groups are about a lot more than stealing beats and making up bullshit > lyrics about stuff they've never experienced. Hiphop culture is still very > much alive, my friend. The scratching and stuff you mention is still > here...in fact they've even coined the term "Turntablist" for people like > Qbert and Cut Chemist who make music with a lot of scratches and turntable > manipulation. There's so much good hiphop out there that's all about using > Jazz samples (and even Jazz artists sometimes), original lyrics about stuff > other than "bustin' caps and fuckin' bitches" (to quote a song by Del). I > agree that Puff Daddy sucks and totally steals all his lyrics and beats but > to dismiss hiphop based on him just makes you sound stupid. You should > check out rec.mmusic.hiphop...where people constantly bust of Puff Daddy > for his totally uncreative, stolen, bullshit music. WOW. PREACH ON BROTHA!!!. Its about time some people lay it down like it is....everytime i try to, i gets da flames. > You obviously don't know anything about techno either. DnB and hiphop > culture do borrow from one another (there's a song on the Roots new album > with a little breakbeat flavor)....have you ever been to a DnB rave? > Probably not. DnB has some Jazz influence, and so does rap...the shit I > listen to has CRAZY Jazz samples and original Jazz material. Also, rap is > not merging with techno AT ALL. You have absoloutly no clue what > underground hiphop is all about, and yet you've chosen to dismiss it. True > hiphop isn't what you see on MTV _AT ALL_...and you are really stupid to > dismiss it outright with little to no knowledge about what it really is. I > don't care whether you end up liking rap or not, but you obviously don't > have all the (or really ANY of the) facts. Just as it's not fair when > people dismiss techno because they don't like house or bigbeat...it's not > fair for you to dismiss hiphop based on MTV's wack shit. I suggest that > you go out and listen to some REAL hiphop before spouting your ignorant, > close minded, bullshit, drivel again. PREACH IT!. Its so nice to hear some one tell it like it is....thanks Funkenstein. .matthewford. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Hey Brendan part 2 Date: 15 Aug 1999 05:47:58 +0000 Brendan wrote: > Also, you seem to be confusing hiphop with trip-hop. Trip-hop is techno. > Hiphop is not. Stuff like DJ Shadow and DJ Food is trip-hop, ok? Ermmm... I bet you have little labels in your CD racks that say "trip-hop", "house", "bigbeat" etc and you keep a nice Access database with all your CDs sorted nicely in categories. Right? 8) Hello?? How about (like someone already said) music that you like and music you don't like? What's the fucking point in ALWAYS taking categorization into its extreme like you constantly do? Do i care how many layers a song has? or what it's influenced by?? Hell no! Learn to fucken ENJOY the music than rather trying to analyze it for the sake of it and put it into little drawers all the time! But i guess you're just one of the "sorting minds"!... I bet you also categorize people like that: "This is a Gothic guy, i don't like these!"... Punks, Hip-Hop-Lovers, why not even niggers, jids etc? All nicely sorted in drawers!... So you don't have to actually treat anyone (or any song) individually and openminded!.. Life is so much nicer and easier that way, right? Hell, i wouldn't have expected someone so conservative to listen to Orbital, but that's another proof that their music is appealing to anyone.. But i bet you don't see yourself as conservative at all, you think cause you're listening to techno you can't be conservative, but conservativism is not about listening to country and voting Republican, it's about close-mindedness like you constantly express it here!.. You still know shit about Techno and all the other music obviously, but you never quit claiming you would... And you REALLY know how to annoy and alienate people!... Perhaps if you weren't such a perl hacker, computer techie and all-purpose internet guru, you'd actually realize that people don't like someone forcing their opinions on them, especially if they aren't based on real knowledge... I can't ever remember you just admitting a single thing in a discussion... even when you obviously talked total bullshit like when you dismissed rap as bad music, Moby as bad music and what not.. Hello? A discussion is an exchange of views, and a wise man once said it's the most valuable thing on earth because it holds a potential for everyone involved to broaden his/her horizon. It's about exchanging points of views, admitting some things while succeding in getting your point across in others!.. not about Brendan spreading his fixed views by means of the mailinglist.. but since you're such an internet-guru, i guess you're just bound to spread the Brendan-manifesto!.. >It's like saying techno sucks just because you've been hearing euro. ermm.. hearing some "euro" like Kraftwerk, Yello, and what has been made here before you ever prolly heard your first "techno" song wouldn't be too bad for you!.. You'd be surprised that people here would harldy ever judge Apollo 440, Underworld and Fatboy Slim as Techno, as it simply has too few electronic sounds in it!.. This now also goes for a lot of the american people on the list: The roots were layed in Detroit and Chicago with house, but the musical style Techno evolved here in Europe, please don't forget that! I very often get the impression that alot of people on here talk about techno just based on what you know from the USA! Techno here is regularly on TV, Radio and totally equal to the other genres of music!.. for MANY years!... There's alot of pop-shit like Scooter and so on, but there are quite cool songs, too, sometimes, it's like with Rap and Puff Daddy really... Very many small lables and VERY many good producers and DJs that NEVER get played on MTV! America is many years behind in Techno-evolution.. Whistles, Glowsticks, small backpacks for chicks? Hell, these were out of fashion some 6 years back here!! Expect Laserpointers to be the next big thing anytime!I If you don't know about Laurent Garnier, Cosmic Baby, Paul van Dyk (to quote nineties guys!) and others (especially from England!), you don't know anything about Techno History AT ALL!... Hell, i didn't ever even see Carl Cox mentioned on here, even though he's an American and helped shape Techno in the early Nineties!.. >Well, what are the damn catagories? Unless we start naming some >sub-genres here, this discussion is going nowhere. AAAARRGGGHHHH!!!!! Besides: It's not going anywhere anyway, Brendan, since you are involved!... I guess we can just forget about Brendan's openmindedness, like someone wondered about earlier.... DeeKay P.S.: Just to show how little you know yet how strong you voice your opinions i quote you: >News flash: DJ Shadow is techno. Maybe the "DJ" in the name should >give you a clue. Sentence one: read above, sentence two: This is a joke, right? Who do you guess invented DJing?? Fatboy Slim???? You REALLY don't know the most BASIC things about rap music and culture, dude! Hell, i'm not even into hiphop culture myself, but i guess even an encyclopedia tells you that DJing was invented by the first hiphop-people!!... I correct myself, you're not close-minded, you're small-minded!.. What an idiot!... DJing was invented by Techno artists in the Nineties!... I gotta send that sentence to The Source Magazine! 8) They'll prolly send a nice batallion of brothers with baseball bats to your house! >:-) >Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! >Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! >Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! >Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Sub-genres! >Sub-genres! Sub-genres! Small-minded idiot! Small-minded idiot! Small-minded idiot! Small-minded idiot! Small-minded idiot! Small-minded idiot! Small-minded idiot! Small-minded idiot! Small-minded idiot! Small-minded idiot! Small-minded idiot! Small-minded idiot! >:-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Carl Cox (thanks to deekay) Date: 15 Aug 1999 01:15:37 -0500 Hey, should I buy F.A.C.T.? No, I don't actually want any answers, but this was one of the first albums I was exposed to when I got into techno. This was my first exposure to FBS (his remix of Everyone needs a 303). And to Death in Vegas (anybody think anything of them? Strange stuff that they actually put on MTV). Siberian Snowstorm kicks my ass. I don't remember a lot more from the album. Oh yeah, there was that DJ Skull song (the coconut song!) that I actually heard on an ice skating show. They were actually skating to that! It was damn cool. Well, I'm rambling. I like rambling... anyone have some thoughts about the album? -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reece H Subject: Re: (orbital) Carl Cox (thanks to deekay) Date: 15 Aug 1999 15:15:01 +0100 >And to Death in Vegas (anybody think anything of them? Strange >stuff that they actually put on MTV). Death in vegas are pretty damn good if ya ask me; dead elvis is one of my favourite albums. unfortunately, when i saw them at glastonbury this year they were pretty boring, i think it'll probably take a while to get into their new stuff. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) Hey Brendan part 2 Date: 15 Aug 1999 08:38:37 PDT Yo man, I have to give insane respect to Deekay and Dr. Funkenstein for putting their necks on the line for this one. Deekay, you got your techno shit down! You definitely know what's up, and no wonder, look where you live! Man, my dad was over there for a business trip, he was in his hotel room, turns on the tv, and what did he see? SHITLOADS of techno. He got bored of the tv, went down to the hotel lounge, and what was blasting in the lobby at 6 pm, with all 40 to 50 year old business travellers hanging out? Fucking techno. It's amazing how much techno has matured in Europe, it's simply amazing, and I'm jealous as hell! Carl Cox stopped in Boston last year, and I was like, "Holy shit, I better show up early, everyone's going to be there!" When I showed up, barely anyone was there! I was like "What the fuck is going on here?" That's the way techno is here. I sometimes wonder how it has gotten this far. I think Americans are so attached to the guitar, and pop music, and it's tough to get something more experimental to be big. As far as the thing with FBS and A440 not being considered techno, I absolutely agreee. I've sometimes wondered that if there was only techno music in the world, what really would be considered techno? Deekay just answered my question for me. Man, it's really strange the way Europe has accepted techno, and the US is still haven't trouble with it. Can anyone on the list, European and Americans, please answer this question, it's been haunting me for some time now: Why has Europe taken such a liking to techno, allowed it to expand, and seen it as a legitamate form of art, while in the US it is pretty much limited to (compared to the way Europe is) small raves and parties, and not accepted as art, why hasn't the US accepted techno the same way as the Europeans? >Well, what are the damn catagories? Unless we start naming some >sub-genres here, this discussion is going nowhere. I can't believe he said this! That is no way to decide whether or not someone is techno, and besides, if he knew what he was talking about, he'd know that many great Dj's back in the 80s that scratched and did the beats for the Mc's, had DJ before their name. Shadow's just doing that, but obviously his mc's are fuckin good, his samples are fuckin good, and got a unique thing going. Rob _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Shadow & Hiphop Date: 15 Aug 1999 12:33:02 -0400 "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > The content (i.e. lyrics), style of delivery, and backing beats/music are > what changes between genres. Obviously there's the Puff Daddy crowd that > just remakes old Soul or rock songs with stolen beats and silly lyrics. > ...blah blah blah... > samples, and that type of stuff tightly integrated into the music. I can't > really explain it all here...there's too much to tell and oyu really have > to hear it to tell the difference. Interesting. Didn't know that hiphop split into different groups like that. Alright, I take back what I said about it being a fad. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Hey Brendan... Date: 15 Aug 1999 12:41:10 -0400 deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: > > aka "Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru": > Could you just quit sending 10 mails per day? > Thank you! > And please quit dismissing anything you dislike (Moby, Rap et al) as > bad. > I feel like telling you that you know shit, yet you have (like > someone said it before) a very strong opinion on fucken EVERYTHING.. Blah blah blah...shuddap! I bring some excitement to this ML and all you do is bitch bitch bitch. And please, can we stop with the "X e-mails a day" flames? I wasn't told that there was a limit that one person could post, and if you can't use your e-mail folder sorters right, either get off the list or quit bitching about it. > Do i have to remind you that you didn't even know about Yello or > Kraftwerk (might be wrong on the latter, can't quite remember) before > you joined this list? Plus you don't know ANYTHING what has happened > here in Europe way before you prolly even heard your first techno > song! Please! Everybody fuckin' knows Kraftwerk. And so what if I didn't know what Yello is. You probably didn't know who Gong or Ozric Tentacles are before I came here, but I don't play this "I know more bands than you do" game. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Hey Brendan... Date: 15 Aug 1999 19:54:09 +0000 >Blah blah blah...shuddap! I bring some excitement to this ML and >all you do is bitch bitch bitch. And please, can we stop with the >"X e-mails a day" flames? I wasn't told that there was a limit that >one person could post, and if you can't use your e-mail folder >sorters right, either get off the list or quit bitching about it. Excitement... yeah, right! 8) Like the excitement the IRA has brought to Northern Ireland! >8) Well, there's no rule about how many mails per day, because IN GENERAL people think enough before they post and keep it down to one to max. four mails per day!.. Normally people won't scream if it's beyond that, unless someone keeps up a constant flow of ten mails per day over months like you do!.. It's a mailing list, not a Brendan-forum!.. And quit the mailfiltering shit, i told you before it's a golden rule that everything gets read here! >Please! Everybody fuckin' knows Kraftwerk. And so what if I didn't >know what Yello is. You probably didn't know who Gong or Ozric >Tentacles are before I came here, but I don't play this "I know >more bands than you do" game. Hmm, strange, everybody i know that listens to techno also knows what Yello is! 8) and i don't mind about Gong or whatever tentacles you 'review', this is not about the fucken "i know more bands than you do" game, it's about TECHNO HISTORY! And i just got annoyed at the fact that you constantly claim to be the techno expert while knowing NOTHING about its roots!.. THAT'S waht it's about!.. DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) MP3/VCD FTP Date: 16 Aug 1999 13:53:01 -0700 If anyone wants to be on my MP3/VCD site and can contribute email me or ICQ 9080014 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Chicago Orbital Date: 16 Aug 1999 13:58:36 -0700 Anyone have the tracklist? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Any Graphics Artists? Date: 16 Aug 1999 14:05:18 -0700 I have tons of bootlegs i have yet to rip http://shell1.dimension6.com/~rainfall/torip.txt That i need cover art for.. if anyone is interested in making front/back covers in photoshop in whatever in exchange for bootlegs i would gladly oblige :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shaun Rader" Subject: (orbital) RE: Orbital Train Station. Date: 15 Aug 1999 20:08:00 -0700 Hi does anyone know where we can still hear this Real Audio gig? Every time I checked imusic's original site I couldn't find the link to the music anymore. Thanks for any direction. Shaun > -----Original Message----- > From: angel@dimension6.com > > Anyways i saw Orbital Live At The Train Station in Seattel 96 on > a real audio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) Any Graphics Artists? Date: 16 Aug 1999 00:25:08 -0500 angel@dimension6.com wrote: > if anyone is interested in making front/back > covers in photoshop in whatever in exchange for bootlegs i would gladly > oblige :) > owo power here. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: (orbital) Orbital Live On AMP Date: 15 Aug 1999 23:59:15 -0700 Peep this live Orbital shit muthafuckas! http://mtv.com/mtv/music/amp/music.html .matthewford. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Jackson" Subject: (orbital) Rap vs Hip-Hop vs Whatever Date: 16 Aug 1999 09:35:04 GMT Some people don't seem to be able to listen to music without genrifying it...and some people stick it in a pigeonhole without even hearing it! There's some breathtaking ignorance of rap being displayed by Sineswiper...if you live by MTV you will die by MTV. Without hip-hop there would be no Techno and we'd be here staring at an empty email. I've heard these arguments for and against rap so many times before and they simply don't help. If you want to advance the debate try going to a hip-hop listserv and get educated and lets forget this genre-sub-genre rubbish. There's music and there's music and I don't want to have the music *I* love shoved into a box marked 'Euro-Techno-House' or 'Trip-Rap' or 'Big-Beat-Jazz' because someone else wants to be anal retentive about their record collection. Sub-Genre Sub-Genre Sub Genre...Pah! I fought in two major music wars (Punk vs Dinosaur Rock and Hip-Hop vs AOR) for the like of you, Mr Sineswiper...now show me the props or I'm round to your gaff to pour chip-fat through your letterbox and ruin yer carpet. Andy Jackson > > > > > : a n d y * j a c k s o n : : l i b r a r i a n : : s c h o o l * o f * n u r s i n g * a n d * m i d w i f e r y : : u n i v e r s i t y * o f * d u n d e e : : d u n d e e * d d 1 * 9 s y : : t e l * 0 1 3 8 2 * 6 3 2 0 1 2 : # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nemesis1 Subject: RE: (orbital) Would Orbital ever sell out? Date: 16 Aug 1999 13:23:33 +0100 At 16:30 13.8.1999 -0700, Mehul Parekh I wrote: > >i am curious as to what we are defining as 'sold out'? hmmm if you're not starving, then you're selling out... or so it seems from what some people insinuate ;) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net feed me music (beware the sheep) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: (orbital) Moving Date: 16 Aug 1999 13:08:02 -0500 Well, I'm packing up my computer today, so I won't be contributing until Saturday when I get to college. Talk to you guys later! -Marc Sawaya # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Would Orbital ever sell out? Date: 16 Aug 1999 14:26:40 -0400 > i am curious as to what we are defining as 'sold out'? There are a lot of boring or hypocritical answers, so let me define some terms for you: bad music - music I don't like good music - music I like sell-outs - popular artists I don't like indie music - music that I convince myself I like, just because it's not popular There you go. Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: RE: (orbital) Would Orbital ever sell out? Date: 16 Aug 1999 14:46:42 -0400 >>i am curious as to what we are defining as 'sold out'? >hmmm if you're not starving, then you're selling out... >or so it seems from what some people insinuate ;) I would allege that selling out is when the money becomes the MOST important thing that the artist think about when writing songs and creating music, OR when an artist starts to "phone in" their music just to put something out to make more money. Selling out can also just come from the attitude the artist has towards their music. Thinking about selling records is fine...one of my favorite artists, Tom Petty, believes that part of writing rock music is having hit songs...and that makes sense to me. He still puts a lot of effort and time into his music. An example of someone who is sold out (by my definition) is Puff Daddy...his music shows no effort whatsoever. He doesn't even really write songs anymore...just remixes them with a beat and changes some words around. A lot of people categorize Will Smith with PD but I think Will Smith puts more effort and meaning into his work...and his attitude is better...that's why I would say he's a "pop artist" rather than "sold out". funkenstein@mail.rit.edu - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 It's wild how you never know where your life could go So many try to slow your roll in these trails of life -Mystik Journeymen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan@fx.ro Subject: (orbital) Discography & ORBITAL Trade Date: 17 Aug 1999 00:53:28 +0300 Hello everyone ! I'd like to trade CD's with anyone who's interested. I have a lot of Audio Cd's => see the list at section AUDIO CD from my website: http://www.megaone.com/cduri/ I'm interested in Orbital albums and last Chemical Brothers album. best regards, Andrei. ======================================================= a visit you won't regret: http://www.megaone.com/cduri/ my icq #: 45774683 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mehul Parekh I Subject: Re: (orbital) RE: Orbital Train Station. Date: 16 Aug 1999 16:19:52 -0700 (PDT) As far as i know, the broadcast is gone. it is now out on cd through bliss and fetish recordings. i cant remember what his name is off the top of my head, but the guy charges $25 for the 2xcd which also has some glasto 95 stuff. good luck. === The Mehul mpp001@rocketmail.com mpp001@drake.edu _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Cover Art Needed Date: 17 Aug 1999 18:36:52 -0700 If this set interests you in making the cover art. please let me know. Plenty of ideas on sponsor www.kndd.com Everclear Live 08.07.99 Kitsap County Fairgrounds Bremerton, WA. Endfest 99 01 Intro - Interlude 02 Electra Made me Blind 03 Heroin Girl 04 You Make Me Feel Like A Whore 05 Summerland 06 Strawberry 07 One Hit Wonder 08 California King 09 Everything to Everyone 10 I Will Buy You A New Life 11 Santa Monica 12 Father Of Mine 13 Interlude 14 The Joker ( Cover Of The Steve Miller Band ) 15 Local God # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Rammstein Date: 17 Aug 1999 18:38:42 -0700 I also have Rammstein 06.20.99 @ The Maritime in San Francisco. But how the *HELL* do you tracklist german? lol If anyone hear knows rammstein well enough or knows german well enough or thinks they can make a tracklist i would go from Minidisc->wav->mp3 and send you the 74 minute MP3. I then need track names and times to breakup the wavs. Will make it worthwhile.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark S-D Subject: (orbital) the wrong finger pointing at the moon Date: 17 Aug 1999 05:31:12 +0100 Doesn't trip-hop just mean experimental hip-hop ? Dj Shadow sounds mostly like hip-hop to me but I think he fits into both catagories nicely it just depends on which record of his you are listening to at the time. IMO the trip-hop term came about to separate that scene away from all the hip-hop records which were just all about sex and violence and not much else, that side of it got all the attention from the media so a lot of people would have thought thats all hip-hop was about. Mo-wax/Ninja Tune are almost like the equivalent of Warp but for Hip-Hop (as I see it). It's just people who like a little bit of this and a little bit of that who just want to be able to get on with doing whatever they want to do, the hip hop is just a common thread - but along with drum and bass, soul, techno etc... The most interesting stuff is all crossing over anyway and so the categories become increasingly meaningless. Had there not been all the media interest in hip-hop violence that whole side of it might not have become so big, and trip-hop could just have been seen to be as one with hip-hop's own evolution. I'm thinking the want of money seems to be indirectly creating these new sub-genres all the time, but..I'm not really sure about that one.. As for the misunderstandings this is the same as when you mix two colours and one person says it's one and the other says it's the other, either both are right or both are wrong but both are looking at is the same colour. In other words - do we all have to experience things in the same way, isn't it enough to enjoy it ? Yours aghast, -- -- Mark S-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joona Pöyhönen" Subject: (orbital) Live broadcast Date: 17 Aug 1999 09:00:31 -0000 I gotta get that Orbital playing BonJovi-Belinda Carlslile live performance in mp3, anyone have a glue where to get it?????? It´s so fuckin´ great!!!!!! -joona # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joona Pöyhönen" Subject: (orbital) European tour Date: 17 Aug 1999 09:02:54 -0000 Any news on Orbital´s european tour - WILL THEY TOUR FINLAND ALSO????????? Just wondering...... -joona # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "morpheus" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rap vs. Techno... Date: 17 Aug 1999 01:14:21 -0700 > Ummm...we're talking about rap, dude, not techno. You know, rap...as in, Puff > Daddy, Eminem, Dr. Dre, Public Enemy, 2 Pac, LL Cool J, Master P, Ice Cube, > Snoop Doggy Dogg, Busta Rhymes, Mase, B.I.G., etc., etc. Now, if you want to > throw some rap groups that I never even heard of, be my guest, but that's not > proving anything. I can at least say that groups like Chem Bros, FBS, Orbital, > and Underworld are good examples of techno. > > Again, we're talking about DJs that would appear in raves. This is techno, > probably trip-hop. You obviously don't seem to be capable of accepting that you are wrong sometimes. You just listed a group of rappers, many who have sold out, and said that this is what rap is. That would be like doing this: Prodigy, Love Inc., Fatboy Slim, Stardust, Josh Wink, BKS, Armand Van Heldon, etc. this is what techno is. You obviously have absolutly no clue at all when it comes to music. You obviously do not listen to hip hop so why do try to say that you know everything about it because you've seen a few mainstream videos on TV. That would be like someone saying that Techno sucks because they've seen some Prodigy videos on TV. Get your head out of your ass. You are not the all mighty, musical know it all like you think you are. I know almost nothing about hip hop music, but I do know that there is more to hip hop then what you see on TV. Most of the groups that Dr. Funkenstein named, I have heard of. I, a DJ, admire Qbert for his amazing skills. He makes hip hop, not trip hop, on his turntables. You seem to think that DJ's only spin techno and this alone shows how ignorant you are. Have you forgotten that hip hop started by a dj making a beat on a turntable while another guy busted out rhymes off the top of his head. I know that you are going to flame this just because you always have to have the last word, but stop and think about what everyone is trying to tell you. We are not all flaming your statement because we don't like you, we are flaming it because it is unbelievably inaccurate and we trying to shed some light on your closed mind. You have to accept that it is possible for you to be wrong about something. peace morpheus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (orbital) Andy Jackson and more Krfatwerk Date: 17 Aug 1999 03:18:22 PDT Andy Jackson said: "Without rap, there would be no techno (or something to that effect)" MAJOR DISCREPENCY MY FRIEND. Tech was here LONG before rap. Check the history. More about KW : If you listen to parts of "Von Himmel Hoch", you can hear bits of acid house still in the embryo and even similarities to Orb's "Toxygene" if you listen really hard. And remember, this is in 1970 people ! I have MP3's of Tone Float, Kraftwerk, Kraftwerk 2, and Ralf & Florian if anyone would like to trade for any Orbital MP3's (mainly non-album stuff/remixes). Let me know if interested. NoiseWerker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) RE:{OFF} angel! Where are you? Date: 17 Aug 1999 09:31:18 -0400 Hey angel@dimension6.com Where are you man? Your account is retruning mail to me! Write me ASAP RE" Cover Art Shannon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) Live broadcast Date: 17 Aug 1999 09:03:23 -0500 >I gotta get that Orbital playing BonJovi-Belinda Carlslile live = performance >in mp3, anyone have a glue where to get it?????? It=B4s so fuckin=B4 great!!!!!! I will get it into MP3 in the next few days, and get it to you..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nemesis1 Subject: Re: (orbital) Hey Brendan part 2 Date: 17 Aug 1999 16:01:38 +0100 At 08:38 15.8.1999 PDT, Robert Schultz wrote: >Can anyone on >the list, European and Americans, please answer this question, it's been >haunting me for some time now: Why has Europe taken such a liking to techno, >allowed it to expand, and seen it as a legitamate form of art, while in the >US it is pretty much limited to (compared to the way Europe is) small raves >and parties, and not accepted as art, why hasn't the US accepted techno the >same way as the Europeans? I'd shoot for different youth cultures, different society, different values (or lack of them). and smaller more open minded market? :) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net feed me music (beware the sheep) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) {OFF-topic} Bunny Raver! Date: 17 Aug 1999 12:44:09 -0400 Hey Aimmee and all! Got this hilarious link about a raver bunny for a childrens book from the Astralworks News Letter. GO NOW TO:! What if ravers started producing children's books? http://www.undergroundlondon.com/bunny/ Shannnnn # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: (orbital) Orbital Live Date: 17 Aug 1999 14:43:22 -0500 Does anyone here have a server or such that I could email you all of the mp3's for the Chicago show so everyone could enjoy them? I have tried emailing some of them to some people, but alot of ISP's wont allow over 5mb files (They range from 3.5mb (Doctor Who) all the way up to 7mb.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: (orbital) mp3 of the dr.who track live at chicago Date: 17 Aug 1999 16:46:46 -0400 (EDT) I put up Chris's mp3 of the dr who track from the Chicago show here : www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~merrelli/orbital/11_The_Theme_to_Doctor_Who.mp3 leech away... :) later, aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Chicago 99 & Aphex Twin Date: 18 Aug 1999 14:18:59 -0700 Deekay, i forget your email address but can i get you to reply and upload the rest of that aphex twin. My ftp is no longer public same jerk, most likely from this list since thats the only people on my ftp decided to someone plant bo2k (www.bo2k.com) back orifice on my system and attempt to wipe out alot of shit. I save all the good stuff and 80%+ of everything in general but no it will be by application only. Sorry 1 person has to screw it up for al of you. I will have perhaps put Chicago 99 online but you will have to be a member to get it.. Sorry but any moron can join this list # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Shows... Date: 18 Aug 1999 14:53:39 -0700 Ok well i have consigned that my crystal method and orbital san fran boots are unfixable.. my 9 volt in my bass roloff box was dead. its horrbile. However the Clockwork orange theme is almost soundboard because it really has no bass... should i mp3 that before i scratch the project (san fran 72399) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3 of the dr.who track live at chicago Date: 17 Aug 1999 18:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Excerpts from lists: 17-Aug-99 (orbital) mp3 of the dr.who.. by Aronne J. Merrelli@andre > > I put up Chris's mp3 of the dr who track from the > Chicago show here : > > www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~merrelli/orbital/11_The_Theme_to_Doctor_Who.mp3 > oops. never mind that. I think I may have decoded it wrong cause the file is really screwed up. sorry people, I'll try to fix it tomorrow # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joona Pöyhönen" Subject: (orbital) Orbital live mp3s Date: 18 Aug 1999 15:26:23 -0000 Can someone possibly put up a ftp-server where people could trade Orbital mp3-files, all those live tracks etc... Some help on this one would be very much appreciated, thanks I WANT THAT LIVE BONJOVI TRACK SOOO BADLY!!! -joona # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joona Pöyhönen" Subject: (orbital) ra to mp3/wav Date: 18 Aug 1999 16:15:13 -0000 What was that program which converts ra/rm files to mp3/wav? Someone spoke about it earlier...Thanks a lot for any help! -joona # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) RE:LIVE reviews requestd Date: 18 Aug 1999 09:44:48 -0400 Hey wake up! UBL [The Ultimate Band List] is seeking reviews of LIVE shows: DID YOU LIKE THE SHOW? SEND UBL YOUR ROCK REVIEWS Let us know what you saw last night and what you thought. Was it too hard? Too soft? Just right? From stadiums to street scenes, festivals to dives, we want to know what rocks your world. Concert Reviews The world needs to know what they missed in '99! L8R Orbiters! Shannon -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Optik@mail.freenet.uk.com Subject: (orbital) Check 'dis out! Date: 18 Aug 1999 18:56:44 +0000 Looking on a web page, I found the following: ORBITAL Nothing Left (UK Tape-To-Tape/London promo 12" acetate feat Breeder Mix & Rowan & G's Pariah Mix, custom studio labels) UK 35.00 / $ 56.00 Worth the money? Are these mixes available anywhere else? Just curious. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3 of the dr.who track live at chicago Date: 18 Aug 1999 14:41:19 -0400 (EDT) ok, its fixed now (thanks to Robert for trying it out! :) ) I think the problem was that the webserver was sending it out as ascii instead of binary. So I put it in a zip file, and it is transferred as binary now, so it should be Ok. Remember to thank Chris (ckloehr@TAASCFORCE.com), the mp3 came from him, I'm just putting it where you can download it :) http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~merrelli/orbital/drwho.zip or http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/merrelli/orbital/drwho.zip Regards, Aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Crystal Method Date: 19 Aug 1999 17:55:56 -0700 Does anyone have Crystal Methoid Chicago or Worcester or Austin, Or even The Austin Show. I guess Periferal was the worcester taper. Don't deal with him he ripped me off a good chunk of money just out of the blue after doing many deals before... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: (orbital) thank you sHanNon Date: 18 Aug 1999 22:47:19 -0500 Hey Shanon! what can I say? I was so surprised find your name and data in the mailing list in sueter!. Hey thanx! Everybody here is asking me: ."Oye quien es esa chica?" something like "Hey Dan, who is that girl???" : D ha haaaa bye & thank you again! Dan. -- [design_76=neurolinguistique_visual_programmer|sueter.net] [design_76=inbrutaldigitalgrafixdesigndjundpizzadevelopt] [design_76=daniel ramirez centurion then gosub owo*auf] [design_76=friendship | http://www.sueter.net [v.5.0] [design_76=it's a matter of time | icq 15038986 |#024-'99 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital Live Date: 18 Aug 1999 21:11:24 -0500 Chris Kloehr wrote: > Does anyone here have a server or such that I could email you all of the > mp3's for the Chicago show so everyone could enjoy them? I have tried > emailing some of them to some people, but alot of ISP's wont allow over 5mb > files (They range from 3.5mb (Doctor Who) all the way up to 7mb.) > Hmm.. I'm thinking... [design_76=neurolinguistique_visual_programmer|sueter.net] [design_76=inbrutaldigitalgrafixdesigndjundpizzadevelopt] [design_76=daniel ramirez centurion then gosub owo*auf] [design_76=friendship | http://www.sueter.net [v.5.0] [design_76=it's a matter of time | icq 15038986 |#024-'99 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3 of the dr.who track live at chicago Date: 18 Aug 1999 21:08:42 -0500 Aronne James Merrelli wrote: > ok, its fixed now (thanks to Robert for trying it out! :) ) > I think the problem was that the webserver was sending it > out as ascii instead of binary. PFFFF !!! ha haaaaaa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) Chicago 99 & Aphex Twin Date: 18 Aug 1999 21:05:58 -0500 angel@dimension6.com wrote: > Deekay, i forget your email address but can i get you to reply and > upload the rest of that aphex twin. My ftp is no longer public same > jerk, most likely from this list since thats the only people on my ftp > decided to someone plant bo2k (www.bo2k.com) back orifice on my system > and attempt to wipe out alot of shit. I save all the good stuff and 80%+ > of everything in general but no it will be by application only. Sorry 1 Hey man!.. What the fuck!!.. Oh man... do you know who was ? I have no opportunity to type the ftp's url!. I was in vacations!! shit. Dan.- -- [design_76=neurolinguistique_visual_programmer|sueter.net] [design_76=inbrutaldigitalgrafixdesigndjundpizzadevelopt] [design_76=daniel ramirez centurion then gosub owo*auf] [design_76=friendship | http://www.sueter.net [v.5.0] [design_76=it's a matter of time | icq 15038986 |#024-'99 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim L. Jones" Subject: (orbital) boo Date: 19 Aug 1999 01:20:51 -0400 sorry for the bandwith waste been suffering from message bounce lately # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3 of the dr.who track live at chicago Date: 18 Aug 1999 21:08:42 -0500 Aronne James Merrelli wrote: > ok, its fixed now (thanks to Robert for trying it out! :) ) > I think the problem was that the webserver was sending it > out as ascii instead of binary. PFFFF !!! ha haaaaaa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) Chicago 99 & Aphex Twin Date: 18 Aug 1999 21:05:58 -0500 angel@dimension6.com wrote: > Deekay, i forget your email address but can i get you to reply and > upload the rest of that aphex twin. My ftp is no longer public same > jerk, most likely from tX-Mozilla-Status: 0009he only people on my ftp > decided to someone plant bo2k (www.bo2k.com) back orifice on my system > and attempt to wipe out alot of shit. I save all the good stuff and 80%+ > of everything in general but no it will be by application only. Sorry 1 Hey man!.. What the fuck!!.. Oh man... do you know who was ? I have no opportunity to type the ftp's url!. I was in vacations!! shit. Dan.- -- [design_76=neurolinguistique_visual_programmer|sueter.net] [design_76=inbrutaldigitalgrafixdesigndjundpizzadevelopt] [design_76=daniel ramirez centurion then gosub owo*auf] [design_76=friendship | http://www.sueter.net [v.5.0] [design_76=it's a matter of time | icq 15038986 |#024-'99 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital LivX-Mozilla-Status: 0009559EDFD2118CD400105A5F076AA3CF81@EXCHANGE> Date: 18 Aug 1999 21:11:24 -0500 Chris Kloehr wrote: > Does anyone here have a server or such that I could email you all of the > mp3's for the Chicago show so everyone could enjoy them? I have tried > emailing some of them to some people, but alot of ISP's wont allow over 5mb > files (They range from 3.5mb (Doctor Who) all the way up to 7mb.) > Hmm.. I'm thinking... [design_76=neurolinguistique_visual_programmer|sueter.net] [design_76=inbrutaldigitalgrafixdesigndjundpizzadevelopt] [design_76=daniel ramirez centurion then gosub owo*auf] [design_76=friendship | http://www.sueter.net [v.5.0] [design_76=it's a matter of time | icq 15038986 |#024-'99 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) Orbital LivX-MozX-Mozilla-Status: Date: 19 Aug 1999 01:18:23 -0500 Chris Kloehr wrote: > Does anyone here have a server or such that I could email you all of the > mp3's for the Chicago show so everyone could enjoy them? I have tried > emailing some of them to some people, but alot of ISP's wont allow over 5mb > files (They range from 3.5mb (Doctor Who) all the way up to 7mb.) > Hmm.. I'm thinking... [design_76=neurolinguistique_visual_programmer|sueter.net] [design_76=inbrutaldigitalgrafixdesigndjundpizzadevelopt] [design_76=daniel ramirez centurion then gosub owo*auf] [design_76=friendship | http://www.sueter.net [v.5.0] [design_76=it's a matter of time | icq 15038986 |#024-'99 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: (orbital) thank you sHanNon Date: 19 Aug 1999 01:18:48 -0500 Hey Shanon! what can I say? I was so surprised find your name and data in the mailing list in sueter!. Hey thanx! Everybody here is asking me: ."Oye quien es esa chica?" something like "Hey Dan, who is that girl???" : D ha haaaa bye & thank you again! Dan. -- [design_76=neurolinguistique_visual_programmer|sueter.net] [X-MoziX-Mozilla-Status: 0009fixdesigndjundpizzadevelopt] [design_76=daniel ramirez centurion then gosub owo*auf] [design_76=friendship | http://www.sueter.net [v.5.0] [design_76=it's a matter of time | icq 15038986 |#024-'99 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3 of the dr.who track live at chicago Date: 19 Aug 1999 01:20:10 -0500 Aronne James Merrelli wrote: > ok, its fixed now (thanks to Robert for trying it out! :) ) > I think the problem was that the webserver was sending it > out as ascii instead of binary. PFFFF !!! ha haaaaaa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[:::Daniel A.J.Ramirez Centurion__owo*auf:::]" Subject: Re: (orbital) Chicago 99 & Aphex Twin Date: 19 Aug 1999 01:23:34 -0500 angel@dimension6.com wrote: > Deekay, i forget your email address but can i get you to reply and > upload the rest of that aphex twin. My ftp is no longer public same > jerk, most likely from tX-MX-Mozilla-Status: 0009only people on my ftp > decided to someone plant bo2k (www.bo2k.com) back orifice on my system > and attempt to wipe out alot of shit. I save all the good stuff and 80%+ > of everything in general but no it will be by application only. Sorry 1 Hey man!.. What the fuck!!.. Oh man... do you know who was ? I have no opportunity to type the ftp's url!. I was in vacations!! shit. Dan.- -- [design_76=neurolinguistique_visual_programmer|sueter.net] [design_76=inbrutaldigitalgrafixdesigndjundpizzadevelopt] [design_76=daniel ramirez centurion then gosub owo*auf] [design_76=friendship | http://www.sueter.net [v.5.0] [design_76=it's a matter of time | icq 15038986 |#024-'99 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Hey Date: 19 Aug 1999 00:03:59 -0700 Is there anyways i can see a list of whose on this email list? apparently the user is @adelphia.net who hacked my system. IP: 24.48.148.83 DNS surf68-148-83.pbc.adelphia.net or has anyone hever seen a post by this address? if so please let me know. Thank you # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) More information Date: 19 Aug 1999 00:05:17 -0700 He's possibly from coudersport, PA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: (orbital) You clearly know nothing about music Date: 19 Aug 1999 11:11:58 +0200 I keep seeing this phrase on this mailing list. I haven't been paying much attention to who says what but the last one I saw was from Morpheus so I don't know if it's just him coming out with this dumb and arrogant wording. What is there to *know* about music? Very little. You can say that it's made up of soundwaves. Certain notes have a certain frequency (middle C is 440 Hz if my memory serves correctly). If you double the frequency you pitch rises one octave. You can subdivide this gap by twelve to get semitones. The resulting frequencies make notes that are pleasing to the ear and are used in music. You can hear some music and say, "I like it", or ,"I dislike it", but that's an opinion, not a fact. All this silly bickering about genres is pointless. Most music crosses more than one of these meaningless categories. All music uses 'notes' so it's all related. If somebody is dissing a particular genre you happen to like and you don't think that they have had a fair hearing of it then suggest some music in that category that you like instead of coming on like the great all knowing God of music categories. Enough of this banter. I'm going to see Orbital at V99 in Chelmsford on Sunday. I'm sure they'll rock like the Music Bitches of Satan that the are. But that's just my opinion. It'll be nice to hear MoN music now I know the album rather than when I saw them at the start of the tour a week before the album was out! MoN is really growing on me now, I listen to it in the car a lot. I much prefer it to Insides, is anybody else re-appraising it after a few months? The tone of this list seemed to suggest that it wasn't a good album after it first came out. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Blackshaw Subject: Re: (orbital) You clearly know nothing about music Date: 28 Aug 1999 22:51:48 +0000 On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:11:58 +0200 "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" wrote: # # I keep seeing this phrase on this mailing list. I haven't been paying much # attention to who says what but the last one I saw was from Morpheus so I don't # know if it's just him coming out with this dumb and arrogant wording. What is # there to *know* about music? Very little. You can say that it's made up of # soundwaves. Certain notes have a certain frequency (middle C is 440 Hz if my # memory serves correctly). If you double the frequency you pitch rises one # octave. You can subdivide this gap by twelve to get semitones. The resulting # frequencies make notes that are pleasing to the ear and are used in music. You # can hear some music and say, "I like it", or ,"I dislike it", but that's an # opinion, not a fact. All this silly bickering about genres is pointless. Most # music crosses more than one of these meaningless categories. All music uses # 'notes' so it's all related. If somebody is dissing a particular genre you # happen to like and you don't think that they have had a fair hearing of it then # suggest some music in that category that you like instead of coming on like the # great all knowing God of music categories. Amen! Nice to hear an adult opinion... -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: RE: (orbital) mp3 of the dr.who track live at chicago Date: 19 Aug 1999 17:46:36 +0200 Thanks Aronne you're my hero of the week. Shame it cut's off before Chime. I've been desperately trying to get hold of a live Orbital show for months but no-one will accept my big bribes unless I have something to trade with them. I'd love a live Halycon as well. Hell, I'd like any live stuff. Has no-one the heart to help a person at the edge of despair? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ender Wright" Subject: (orbital) Live Shite Date: 19 Aug 1999 13:16:08 EDT First I'd just like to say thanx again for the Dr. Who track. Unfortunately, now that I've been exposed, I may have developed an addiction to live Orbital. Some of you out there, probably a lot on this list, have some bootlegs in your prized possession. Now if I had anything of the like I'd never let it out of my sight, so I can understand how selling and trading are not options. But this is the information age my friends, and I have a little bit of technology on my hands, quite a bit of time, and a whole of desire to make access to these treasures a little bit easier. I am not talking about bootlegging, I don't know what Orbital's position on the recording of their live shows is. Steve, if your in any contact, and any of this is illegal or even rude, shoot me down now. But with mp3's so prevalent now, I say we put them to good use. I have the hardware, software, and supplies to burn cd's of live shows. If you supply the songs, I'll churn out the discs. I'm no stalker so you won't have to worry about anyone but the mailman coming to your door, and I work for the local county government so your names and addresses won't be sold. The only real problem is... I don't have any music to start off with. My live shows are all Pearl Jam, HUM, and Nirvana (some Smashing Pumpkins to, but anyway...) I would need either a disk sent to my home or tracks already converted to mp3 (or mpu) sent to my private email address. If you can supply either, and wouldn't mind the effort, email me privately. For anyone who contributes, I will cover the shipping and handling charges. This means everything sent, and the charges when I send you completed project. Please note, this is not a sale, it is a service. The reason I am offering to cover expenditures is because it's cheaper the buying bootlegs the Orbital never made any profit off anyway. I don't want money, I just want the live music, and I think this way everyone can share what they have, keep it, and get more! If not, I guess I should go away now... Thanx for your Time and Space... -Ender _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Catinosboy@aol.com Subject: Re: (orbital) Live Shite Date: 19 Aug 1999 15:29:39 EDT In a message dated 99-08-19 13:31:20 EDT, endermaker@hotmail.com writes: << But with mp3's so prevalent now, I say we put them to good use. I have the hardware, software, and supplies to burn cd's of live shows. If you supply the songs, I'll churn out the discs >> I know a few of you (maybe more) are also on The Orb mailing list- when they had that FTP site up with live shows and out-of-print mixes, it was a dream come true. Of course it's down now, but SHIT it was great. Brent # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) ACetate 12 inch - Nothing Left Date: 19 Aug 1999 20:45:25 +0100 >ORBITAL Nothing Left (UK Tape-To-Tape/London promo 12" acetate > feat Breeder Mix & Rowan & G's Pariah Mix, custom studio labels) > UK 35.00 / $ 56.00 >Worth the money? >Are these mixes available anywhere else? ACetates are like probably less than 10 copies...very very rare - collectors items. They can only be played a few times really...and its best not to play them to keep their price. These remixes are not available at all...unreleased stuff. Rejected stuff....but worthy i suppose. i will eventually put these remixes on the site as well. Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk p.s. a couple of hours until Loopz Rare CD compo kicks off. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) 100 Orbital Live Limited CDS to be won at LOOPZ Date: 19 Aug 1999 23:41:35 +0100 To enter - visit LOOPZ (http://www.loopz.co.uk) In celebration of a decade of music from Orbital, the website visitors are invited to enter a competition whereby fans can nominate their personal top five favourite Orbital tracks played at this summer's live shows. The first 100 sets of nominations to be pulled from a very large virtual hat will be sent -- absolutely for FREE -- an Orbital digital mega-rarity consisting of the 5 live tracks arrived at by popular consensus. Not a CDR but a genuine limited run of bonafide compact discs featuring exclusive artwork and catalogue number -- each copy will be individually numbered. There will be a total of 500 in existance. At this stage, the CD looks set to be made up of tracks culled from the Steve Lamacq Show's recording of Orbital at the Castle Grounds at Edinburgh Festival which is due to be broadcast on Radio One sometime in early September. Potential entrants are respectfully asked to limit their choices to "Way Out"; "Spare Parts Express"; "Impact (The Earth is Burning)"; "Know Where To Run"; "Halcyon"; "I Don't Know You People"; "The Box"; "Nothing Left"; "Style"; "Satan" and "Chime". Enteries that contain tracks not named in official list will be void Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Orbital / Loopz Date: 19 Aug 1999 23:42:59 +0100 As well as the competition :- The 2nd part of Orbital live at Brixton is now online Ibiza99 confirmed 2 Live dates in Brazil confirmed www.loopz.co.uk (sign the guestbook....only 100 odd from the 1000 enteries!) Thanx Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) URGENT! fellow passengers needed for orbital show... Date: 20 Aug 1999 01:09:29 +0000 Orbital will be playing the Lowlands festival in .nl next week and i REALLY wanna go there!.. however, gas costs are too high for me, so i'm searching for someone to travel with me from the south of germany (or whom i could pick up aloing the way!)... Lemme know ASAP so I'll try to get the tickets then! Lotsa other bands are coming too like e.g. Les Rhythmes Digitales (still looking for that Nothing left vinyl-promo only remix from him!).. just check www.lowlands.nl! Sorry for interrupting, DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "morpheus" Subject: (orbital) leftfield Date: 20 Aug 1999 01:16:47 -0700 thanx for the live dr who! I bought Leftfield's Leftism finally the other day and all I can say is wow. I didn't realize that they were this good. If I remember correctly, they do have other work and it's not as good. How is it different? I find that they sound very similar to Underworld. It's something about the very hard layered beats. If you don't have this disk yet, buy it, it's a classic. peace morpheus -the world can be a simple place if you want it to be- http://members.tripod.com/~morpheus1/home.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Jackson" Subject: (orbital) Techno chickens vs Hip Hop eggs Date: 20 Aug 1999 10:03:29 GMT Just to elaborate on this oft-repeated argument; > "Without rap, there would be no techno (or something to that effect)" > > MAJOR DISCREPENCY MY FRIEND. Tech was here LONG before rap. Check the > history. Sorry, but that's not the way the music historians look at it...the music which is termed 'techno' didn't start till the Belleville 3 (May, Atkins, Saunderson) got going in 1986-87. Sure, Kraftwerk were producing music which would influence the techno movement, but that movement only came about because the established form of rap as originated by DJ Kool Herc and Afrika Bambaataa in the late 1970s was taken up by the likes of Arthur Baker, Grandmaster Flash and Man Parrish to create 'Electro'...which took Kraftwerk's sound as their blueprint. But just because you can hear bits of acid house or the Orb in early Kraftwerk doesn't mean that Kraftwerk were techno in 1970. And how far back do you want to go? The roots of rap were acknowledged to be in Jamaican ska DJs 'toasting' over records they were spinning...and that was the mid-60s! Without Kraftwerk, there would be no techno, true...but without hip-hop there would be no techno either. But putting techno before hip-hop/rap in the development of music is taking big liberties with the definition of what techno is. Andy Jackson : a n d y * j a c k s o n : : l i b r a r i a n : : s c h o o l * o f * n u r s i n g * a n d * m i d w i f e r y : : u n i v e r s i t y * o f * d u n d e e : : d u n d e e * d d 1 * 9 s y : : t e l * 0 1 3 8 2 * 6 3 2 0 1 2 : # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Blackshaw Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno chickens vs Hip Hop eggs Date: 29 Aug 1999 23:49:43 +0000 On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:03:29 GMT Andy Jackson wrote: # > "Without rap, there would be no techno (or something to that effect)" # > # > MAJOR DISCREPENCY MY FRIEND. Tech was here LONG before rap. Check the # > history. # Without Kraftwerk, there would be no techno, true...but # without hip-hop there would be no techno either. But putting techno # before hip-hop/rap in the development of music is taking big # liberties with the definition of what techno is. Just a few points: 1) Rap may have influenced techno, but it works both ways, and techno has certainly influenced modern rap. 2) Rap may have had its genesis before techno, but that does not necessarily mean there would be no techno without rap. 3) Do we really give a shit anyway? 4) Does this have any relevance on an Orbital list? What has rap got to do with the price of fish? 5) Wibble wibble ptang! ekki! -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Fatboy slim live seattle Date: 20 Aug 1999 04:54:40 -0700 Did anyone figure out any of the untitled tracks names? I would appreciate it. As soon as i get them all titled i plan to encode them properly at a much higher bit rate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: (orbital) CMETH Date: 20 Aug 1999 07:46:40 -0500 OK OK...I know...sellouts But does anyone have a C.M. live set from the tour this year recorded? I would love to trade for it. I have a couple Orbital Boots. Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Live Shite Date: 20 Aug 1999 11:33:09 -0400 Ender Wright wrote: > > Steve, if your in any contact, and any of > this is illegal or even rude, shoot me down now. But with mp3's so > prevalent now, I say we put them to good use. I have the hardware, > software, and supplies to burn cd's of live shows. If you supply the songs, Well, technically, it's illegal, because a band might want to release a live CD and that cuts into profits. But I think live CDs are just a way to make a quick buck anyway. Besides, I don't think Orbital would mind. The exception is Pearl Jam. They have publicly announced that all of their live shows are -legal- to record. There are even a few MP3s of PJ shows at WinAMP's site. While I don't like their music any more, I like the politics they handle, like live shows and Ticketmaster. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Anyone at Weston Park V99 ???? Date: 20 Aug 1999 18:46:39 +0100 All, Just got a freebie invite to V99 on the Saturday...at Weston Park (Staffs). I am gonna be on my own for the majority of the day as it was one single ticket freebie. Anyone who spots short haired, skinny young looking (ahem!) with a pair of green khakis and an "Orbital at Night" t-shirt (black with white writing and "Are We Here?" on the bottom/back) then come and say hello...it could be me ;) No doubt i will be hanging around the arena area (where Orbital etc will be playing). THanx Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) 100 Orbital Live Limited CDS to be won at LOOPZ Date: 20 Aug 1999 14:25:51 -0400 "Price, Steve A" wrote: > > To enter - visit LOOPZ (http://www.loopz.co.uk) > In celebration of a decade of music from Orbital, the website visitors are > invited to enter a competition whereby fans can nominate their personal top > five favourite Orbital tracks played at this summer's live shows. The first > 100 sets of nominations to be pulled from a very large virtual hat will be > sent -- absolutely for FREE -- an Orbital digital mega-rarity consisting of > the 5 live tracks arrived at by popular consensus. Not a CDR but a genuine > limited run of bonafide compact discs featuring exclusive artwork and > catalogue number -- each copy will be individually numbered. There will be a > total of 500 in existance. > At this stage, the CD looks set to be made up of tracks culled from the > Steve Lamacq Show's recording of Orbital at the Castle Grounds at Edinburgh > Festival which is due to be broadcast on Radio One sometime in early > September. > Potential entrants are respectfully asked to limit their choices to "Way > Out"; "Spare Parts Express"; "Impact (The Earth is Burning)"; "Know Where To > Run"; "Halcyon"; "I Don't Know You People"; "The Box"; "Nothing Left"; > "Style"; "Satan" and "Chime". Enteries that contain tracks not named in That's cool, but I see quite a few bugs on your sumbittion page. I'm using Netscape 4.6. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno chickens vs Hip Hop eggs Date: 20 Aug 1999 14:47:10 -0400 Andy Jackson wrote: > > Without Kraftwerk, there would be no techno, true...but > without hip-hop there would be no techno either. But putting techno > before hip-hop/rap in the development of music is taking big > liberties with the definition of what techno is. Ummm...without a lot of genres, there wouldn't be techno. There's a mix of rock, rap, hiphop, metal, jazz, and a bunch of others in techno. Why are we just focusing on Kraftwerk as the pioneers of techno? Must we forget the progressive British rock scene in the 70's? Some of the innovators of new age sonics like Gong, Alan Parsons Project, Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno, Pink Floyd, among others. And on the topic of genres, why is everybody so anti-catagorization? Without genres, there wouldn't be techno. We wouldn't have a name for it. I'm picky about genres because if a large group likes/dislikes one type of music and another large group likes/dislikes another type of music, there should be names for them. That's why I think hiphop and rap sub-genres should be better defined than "popular" and "unpopular" music. Oh, by the way, the egg came first. Chickens were a genetic mutation of a species that look similar to a chicken. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) CMETH Date: 20 Aug 1999 15:07:01 -0400 Chris Kloehr wrote: > > OK OK...I know...sellouts Damn...must we bash every techno group that gets popular? First, Fatboy Slim is considered to be "non-techno" then we start calling Crys Meth "sellouts". Fatboy Slim -is- techno, and Crystal Method -aren't- sellouts. If you don't like them, fine, don't like them. But don't try to put them in another catagory just to "purify" your catagorization of the good music you like. I'm suprised nobody has started bashing Chem Bros yet. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Subject: Re: (orbital) 100 Orbital Live Limited CDS to be won at LOOPZ Date: 20 Aug 1999 14:32:57 -0700 > >That's cool, but I see quite a few bugs on your sumbittion page. I'm using >Netscape 4.6. > is anybody else having a problem with submitting the form? Looks like it isn't going through to an SMTP server. Please keep the list informed when the site is fixed. thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) 100 Orbital Live Limited CDS to be won at LOOPZ Date: 20 Aug 1999 17:40:26 EDT Hey, if you read above the form, it says that you can click on webmaster@loopz.co.uk and just write in your entry. That's what I did. Robert Schultz ICQ# 42322067 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) 100 Orbital Live Limited CDS to be won at LOOPZ Date: 20 Aug 1999 23:09:55 -0400 Jon wrote: > > > > >That's cool, but I see quite a few bugs on your sumbittion page. I'm using > >Netscape 4.6. > > Oh, it's not a problem with the form. I can do SMTP form submittion just fine. It's the tables. The song list is formatted wierd. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Paul's thing Date: 21 Aug 1999 16:23:02 EDT Hey, did anyone else see this thing in NME? I just found it today. http://www.nme.com/festivals/SITK_Orbital.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) V99 / Australia and New Years Eve :))))))) Date: 22 Aug 1999 02:13:07 +0100 All, Just got back from V99...what a great gig. They keep amending the mixes of the tracks slightly but sooooooo effective. "Way Out" bass is a lot more electronic and twangs more (if u know what i mean), "Know Where to Run"s bass is harder and deeper, "Satan" has the biggest build ive ever known and the top end is a wall of beautiful noise :) Anyway....i want to get a bootleg of V99 desperatly but it must have the end of Chime (only because Paul made a comment towards me). So if anyone has a bootleg then get in touch....a good trade could be on. I managed to chat to Paul about tours and stuff. After Brazil you can expect the boys to visit Australia for a few dates and then New Years Eve they play a big gig in England. At last i know where i will be on December 31st 1999 :))))) Email me - steve.price@capgemini.co.uk if u can get a V99 bootleg. Thanx Steve LOOPZ Price ORbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DataSquid Subject: (orbital) off for a bit. Date: 22 Aug 1999 07:17:26 -0400 On a trip for a week or so. Cyas. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Paul's thing Date: 22 Aug 1999 11:19:37 -0400 Robert Schultz wrote: > > Hey, did anyone else see this thing in NME? I just found it today. > > http://www.nme.com/festivals/SITK_Orbital.html Ha! I didn't realize Orbital played at Lollapaloozer. I guess there was one good reason to go to that thing after all. Of course, this was way back before I discovered them. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elliot Bancroft Subject: (orbital) RE Leffield : Africa Shox Date: 22 Aug 1999 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Anyone wanting to hear the lastest Leftfield Promo Africa Shox? Download and then unzip. http://www.bancrofts.demon.co.uk/fire2.zip __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "timmins" Subject: (orbital) ORBITAL CHICAGO Date: 23 Aug 1999 13:00:46 -0500 I do know who these people are... but these are not email addresses that I sold the disc to. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=151622012 (Today??) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=148377577 (Closed) I guarantee you will receive from me, I don't know who these people are. Remember, $20 compared to $50? Hah. timmins "often imitated, never duplicated" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Laser Subject: (orbital) re: autechre ep7 hidden track Date: 23 Aug 1999 14:57:01 -0400 I just got back from an extended vacation and wondered what the status was of someone making an mp3 of this hidden track. It's gotta be done by now, I'd think. Jim www.net-link.net/~x91laser # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "timmins" Subject: (orbital) ORBITAL CHICAGO Date: 23 Aug 1999 13:00:46 -0500 I do know who these people are... but these are not email addresses that I sold the disc to. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=151622012 (Today??) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=148377577 (Closed) I guarantee you will receive from me, I don't know who these people are. Remember, $20 compared to $50? Hah. timmins "often imitated, never duplicated" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chump@netvision.net.il Subject: (orbital) Orbital - Ibiza Date: 24 Aug 1999 02:21:57 +0300 Hey all.. well a little story .. a 4-5 years ago i ditched a class at school , and went to my bank to make a deposit. i took a Walkman from a friend and started walking , on the walkman was the Brown album. that was the first time i ever heard about Orbital . at the same day i bought the cd , and started since then to collect all there cd's & singles. i joind the irc channel #orbital and dreamed on seeing them live. there isn't any other band in the world that i like/love like orbital. on the summer of 97 there was a festival at phoniex , orbital played there , i was suppose to fly over but i had some problems with the army (i was supposed to be drafted 4 days after the gig) , and they didn't let me fly. on march 99 (after i kissed the army goodbye :) ) i was supposed to see them live and i wanted to follow all there 5 first gigs in the uk. at the same month i got promoted at my work and coulden't fly. the reson im telling u all that , is cuse tommmorow night im in Ibiza, and i got V.I.P ticketes to the mtv festival , and im gonna see them LIVE !!!!! im sure that most ppl dosen't care about my story , but i feel gr8 , and i wanted to share the story with all u ppl who dreams about seeing them live ! i promise i'll get u all some live pictures from the show ! l8r "We waste, we destroy, and we cling like savages to our superstitions. We give power to leaders of state and church as prejudiced and small-minded as ourselves, who squander our resources on instruments of destruction, while millions continue to suffer and go hungry,condemned forever...." Orbital - Forever # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Jackson" Subject: (orbital) Ear bitten Date: 24 Aug 1999 09:49:45 GMT Ed B wrote; > Just a few points: > > 1) Rap may have influenced techno, but it works both ways, and techno has > certainly influenced modern rap. Ah, but we were talking about the *birth* of techno...and it isn't just an influence, I believe hip-hop was one of the parents. These days everything seems to be a part of everything else as genre boundaries are blurred...I bet Mr Sineswiper won't agree with that! > 2) Rap may have had its genesis before techno, but that does not necessarily > mean there would be no techno without rap. I think it does. What goes before influences what follows. The hip-hop of the early 80s gave birth *directly* to electro by its cross-fertilisation with European electronics (Kraftwerk, Human League, Cabaret Voltaire, Depeche Mode were the artists quoted by those around at the birth of techno). From the electro scene came Cybotron's 'Clear' in 1985...behind which was a certain Juan Atkins. Now, you *all* know who he is, don't you? > 3) Do we really give a shit anyway? Obviously enough to respond to the original posting! And you *ought* to give a shit...this is our music, and we shouldn't be ignorant of how it came to be... > 4) Does this have any relevance on an Orbital list? What has rap got to do > with the price of fish? As much as discussions on MP3, MTV, commercial rap...and countless other subjects discussed herein over the last few weeks/months. Read, don't read...it's your call. > 5) Wibble wibble ptang! ekki! Oh, you speak Gibberish! What part of Gibberia are you from? I'm from the south...just outside of Baloni, in the Klaptrapp Valley. Brendan B wrote; > Ummm...without a lot of genres, there wouldn't be techno. There's a mix of > rock, rap, hiphop, metal, jazz, and a bunch of others in techno. Why are we > just focusing on Kraftwerk as the pioneers of techno? Must we forget the > progressive British rock scene in the 70's? Some of the innovators of new age > sonics like Gong, Alan Parsons Project, Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno, Pink Floyd, > among others. There is that mix *now*, true...but not in 1986 when the whole thing started. It was Kraftwerkian, pure and simple. You just have to listen. And as for the British prog rock scene in the 70s...no, I don't think they had any influence on the early days...not till the Megadog/Planet Dog stuff started up in the early 90s...and old hippies like Steve Hillage got in on the act. I think you afford some of those 70s artists a bigger role than most would do. They were the sort of artists that punk came out and challenged. Most of the above were KIAs in Style War 3 (Punks vs rock dinosaurs) and considered an evolutionary blind alley...except maybe Eno who has never been less than cool, regardless of what he has done... I must stress that these are just my views...but a lot of musicologists seem to tell the same tale. Andy Jackson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) Orbital at Ibiza99! Date: 24 Aug 1999 10:11:34 -0400 Have a great time! I've heard that the island Ibiza {off Spain}is the funnest place IN Europe. Dance ALL Night! Sleep on the beach ALL DAY. DANCE ALL Night! {where time becomes a loop!} I have a similar plight in that about the time [back in 96] I remembered that Orbita was BACK and in the US touring, I missed them at Masquerade in Atlanta. The following summer was Lollapalooza and rumors were flying that Orbital was tha backup for Prodigy who were the official headliners for that summer fest. I couldn't get any confirmation that the were headlining or would even be at the Atlanta show [as it was about the time for Prodigy to pick up the tour] so I spent the weeknd working at school and missed the brothers HEADLINING after Korn. Apparently! to add insult to injury, all of the Korn-heads and a good chunk of the 'seated' fans left after Korn and everyone was invited from the lawn down front to jump with the boys. Even worse! teh yhung out before and after their set talking to evryone who was interested and signing autographs. AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG!!!! By the time Lolla came around to Nashville Prodigy WAS back on tour and the big O had flown the coop! I like Prodigy ok but was so bummed that I couldn't make myself go because I knew I would be standing around $30 poorer and wishing they were P&P BY GOD I SAW THEM THIS YEAR! TWICE! and even if the sets were the same. I could have followed them to every show! I'll be planning my life around them because they feed my life & my soul! It's a SOUND investment ;)! Take your minidisc player or your video cam too! We'll be waiting to trade! -- ______________ s. k. campbell _____________________ UT.Med.Ctr.@Knoxville The Image Processing Lab ph.423.544.9693 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Date: 24 Aug 1999 10:39:46 -0400 Andy Jackson wrote: > > Ah, but we were talking about the *birth* of techno...and it isn't > just an influence, I believe hip-hop was one of the parents. These > days everything seems to be a part of everything else as genre > boundaries are blurred...I bet Mr Sineswiper won't agree with that! Hey now. I know more than anybody that techno music are definately mixing with others (or visa-versa). Do we really know who started techno anyway? Like I said, there were probably a LOT of parents. > I think it does. What goes before influences what follows. The > hip-hop of the early 80s gave birth *directly* to electro by its > cross-fertilisation with European electronics (Kraftwerk, Human > League, Cabaret Voltaire, Depeche Mode were the artists quoted by > those around at the birth of techno). From the electro scene came > Cybotron's 'Clear' in 1985...behind which was a certain Juan Atkins. > Now, you *all* know who he is, don't you? Ummmm...no. Why are we only going as far as 1985? I believe Kraftwerk was a 60's or 70's band. And yeah, Kraftwerk is techno. > Obviously enough to respond to the original posting! And you *ought* > to give a shit...this is our music, and we shouldn't be ignorant of > how it came to be... Nor should we be making assumptions on it either. > There is that mix *now*, true...but not in 1986 when the whole thing > started. It was Kraftwerkian, pure and simple. You just have to > listen. Where do you get this date? Again, that's not old enough. You aren't going far back enough. How about a little known British progressive rock group called Camel? Back in the 70's? Yeah, they did a bunch of songs that nowadays would be techno-rock. > And as for the British prog rock scene in the 70s...no, I don't think > they had any influence on the early days...not till the > Megadog/Planet Dog stuff started up in the early 90s...and old > hippies like Steve Hillage got in on the act. I think you afford some > of those 70s artists a bigger role than most would do. They were the > sort of artists that punk came out and challenged. Most of the above > were KIAs in Style War 3 (Punks vs rock dinosaurs) and considered an > evolutionary blind alley...except maybe Eno who has never been less > than cool, regardless of what he has done... Ummmm...you obviously know nothing of the 70's British progressive rock scene. Yes, there were the pro-punk groups like The Police who later realized that they already had a new and different sound, but don't automatically group all 70's BPR groups in the pro/anti-punk catagory. They were NOT in a evolutionary blind alley! They were staring evolution in the face. Have you even heard Gong's You? That's 70's Steve Hillage, not 90's. To quote Stephen Budd: "Gong first manifested to me at London, Hammersmith Palais in 1974, and I realized then that I had been born on the wrong planet and they had arrived to take me home." If you listen to it, you couldn't say that it was made back then without double-checking the cover. It's definately some Acid Ambient stuff. I think you should listen to some of the 70's BPR artists before you automatically diss them. > I must stress that these are just my views...but a lot of > musicologists seem to tell the same tale. What the ^@&$ is a musicologist?! Quit making up words! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Kiley" Subject: (orbital) Hmm Date: 24 Aug 1999 09:52:29 -0500 Ok, I have no clue on how this mailing list works. What is the address of this mailing list? I guess if you get this post then i've got the right one. Kraftwerk rules....gotta love Electric Cafe! MDK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Date: 24 Aug 1999 08:04:20 -0700 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > Ummmm...no. Why are we only going as far as 1985? I believe Kraftwerk was a > 60's or 70's band. And yeah, Kraftwerk is techno. No, kraftwerk is just an electronic group that laid the groundwork for what would become known as techno. Kraftwerk we'rent even taken seriously by their own record label as they were scene as sort of a kitschy funny band. Techno is the term given to the music that the kids in Detroit's VERY early 80s scene gave to the music that was mixed and played at their parties. Very many things were played at their parties including new wave, 70s electronic music, old funk, etc, etc. but techno is the term they gave their own musical creation. A very very very good book I'd recommend to EVERYONE on this list is one that just came out called "Techno Rebels:" and is written by URB magazine stalwart/detroit native Dan Sicko. Im reading this right now and its a fuckin excellent telling of the history...ive even learned things I didnt know. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Date: 24 Aug 1999 11:19:16 -0400 Matthew Ford wrote: > > No, kraftwerk is just an electronic group that laid the groundwork for what would > become known as techno. Kraftwerk we'rent even taken seriously by their own record > label as they were scene as sort of a kitschy funny band. Techno is the term given > to the music that the kids in Detroit's VERY early 80s scene gave to the music that > was mixed and played at their parties. It doesn't matter what age it was, what instruments were used, what was and wasn't mixed. If it sounds like techno, it IS techno. Do I have to get into this argument again? Even if it wasn't called techno then, it's still techno. > Very many things were played at their parties including new wave, 70s electronic > music, old funk, etc, etc. but techno is the term they gave their own musical > creation. What is new wave anyway? And what is 70's electronic music? Isn't that techno? (You know..."electronica".) > A very very very good book I'd recommend to EVERYONE on this list is one that just > came out called "Techno Rebels:" and is written by URB magazine stalwart/detroit > native Dan Sicko. Im reading this right now and its a fuckin excellent telling of > the history...ive even learned things I didnt know. Ahhh...seeing that you are an "expert" in techno, you should know everything about it, right? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Blackshaw Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:02:51 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:39:46 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: # Hey now. I know more than anybody that techno music are definately mixing # with others (or visa-versa). Do we really know who started techno anyway? # Like I said, there were probably a LOT of parents. This was my point. No genre of music owes its existence to another. Except maybe stuff like Puff Daddy. I fail to see how talking fast in an incongruous dialect over somebody else's music sells. But that's chart music and I digress. # > cross-fertilisation with European electronics (Kraftwerk, Human # > League, Cabaret Voltaire, Depeche Mode were the artists quoted by # > those around at the birth of techno). Sorry, could you enlighten us. When was techno born exactly? If we're going to get into the kind of 'Techno was born at this precise time and didn't exist in any form before' discussion, I would like the exact date, place and time of birth. A birth certificate would be nice. # From the electro scene came # > Cybotron's 'Clear' in 1985...behind which was a certain Juan Atkins. # > Now, you *all* know who he is, don't you? # Ummmm...no. Why are we only going as far as 1985? I believe Kraftwerk was a # 60's or 70's band. And yeah, Kraftwerk is techno. Nope, I haven't a clue who this chap is/was either. And don't forget Tangerine dream. Most (~90%) of what they did can only be described as ambient. If we're talking about classification, then surely ambient is a subclass of techno? Goddammit, they made the MOOG popular. How many non-techno bands use/have used MOOGS? how many rappers/hip-hoppers? # # > Obviously enough to respond to the original posting! And you *ought* # > to give a shit...this is our music, and we shouldn't be ignorant of # > how it came to be... # Hmm. Somebody here has blatantly failed to notice what we Brits call a tongue-in-cheek comment. Furthermore, I don't agree. If you enjoy a piece of music, knowledge of its genesis is not necessary for that enjoyment. # Nor should we be making assumptions on it either. Well said. # > There is that mix *now*, true...but not in 1986 when the whole thing # > started. It was Kraftwerkian, pure and simple. You just have to # > listen. # # Where do you get this date? Again, that's not old enough. You aren't going far # back enough. How about a little known British progressive rock group called # Camel? Back in the 70's? Yeah, they did a bunch of songs that nowadays would # be techno-rock. How about the Ozric Tentacles. Ok, they're prog-rockers, but I hear a lot of techno that owes them credit. # > And as for the British prog rock scene in the 70s...no, I don't think # > they had any influence on the early days...not till the # > Megadog/Planet Dog stuff started up in the early 90s...and old # > hippies like Steve Hillage got in on the act. I think you afford some # > of those 70s artists a bigger role than most would do. They were the # > sort of artists that punk came out and challenged. Most of the above # > were KIAs in Style War 3 (Punks vs rock dinosaurs) and considered an # > evolutionary blind alley...except maybe Eno who has never been less # > than cool, regardless of what he has done... # As I've always said, the best techno is made by giving a hippy a synth. C'mon, Hillage is the God of intelligent techno. Have you heard System 7's 'Power of Seven'? Try dancing to that! I can't, 'cos the beat's just to way out there. How much syncopated rap do you come across? # # I think you should listen to some of the 70's BPR artists before you # automatically diss them. # Yes, very well said. # > I must stress that these are just my views...but a lot of # > musicologists seem to tell the same tale. # What the ^@&$ is a musicologist?! Quit making up words! Is musicology something like scientology? I'm sure all them scientologists will tell you the same tale too... I think we should all stop trying to categorise music. As far as I can see there should only be two categories - music I like and music I don't like. To actually try to categorise music and attribute the creation of categories to other categories is nothing more than intellectual masturbation... laters all, and sorry for off-topic bandwidth wastage... -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon Subject: (orbital) orbital (and related) stuff for sale Date: 24 Aug 1999 10:17:21 -0700 Hi! I have the following items for sale on Ebay, please email me with any questions--thanks for looking! 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Campbell" Subject: (orbital) !!!!Hippys and synths!!!! Date: 24 Aug 1999 14:29:37 -0400 BS wrote? # > Obviously enough to respond to the original posting! And you *ought* # > to give a shit...this is our music, and we shouldn't be ignorant of # > how it came to be... # Ed B wrote: >Hmm. Somebody here has blatantly failed to notice what we Brits call a >tongue-in-cheek comment. Furthermore, I don't agree. If you enjoy a piece >of music, knowledge of its genesis is not necessary for that enjoyment. HEAR HEAR! I got it, but some just can't refuse the bait I've never wanted to know too much about anything or anyone. ?Have you ever really like dsome movie or some music only to find out later that the guy who made it is a real jerk? !?What about Ted Nugent?! {we thought he rocked until we found out he the biggest neo-nazi, gun-totin', animal-killin' biggot on the planet! [The Great White Buffalo, HAH!] I didn't know shit about Orbital and loved Green & Brown before I started asking a few questions... !Who ARE these fuking guys!? !What created this universe!? Back in da day, before Techno was hatched from the demon spawn of YES and Klaus Nomi!, all my buds thought that the big O was just rippin' off the Butthole Surfers! You kids go to your room! !Go listen to Locust Abortin Technician and stick that in a category! ?Is Skinny Puppy techNO or techYES? What about MINISTRY? They started off as a fag-bar acid house too. TWISTED being huge! 5 years later they decide that they wanna hang out with the same BSurfers and then decide that they ARE Motorhead with synths! speakin' of which Ed B spaks the truth: >As I've always said, the best techno is made by giving a hippy a synth. > C'mon, Hillage is the God of intelligent techno. Ed has a point about Hippys and synths. Nobody has EVEN said the Eno word !!! Talk about a hippy with a synth He's got that Bowie-ziggy thing plus a beret! Gad! that WAS the 70's! I thought Tangerine Dream was the great grand-pappy of Orbital. This IS my main reference to older[30+] newbies who ask me "What in the fuk are you crankin' out of house?". "It's like Tangerine Dream with a beat!" {kids, this is ONLY an example of generalizations we make to communicate with our own species} Mr. Ed! ?Do you have any Hillage or Camel mp3s? I'd like to visit those days again. We need an mp3 reference library? Brendan can organize it! ;) Anybody want the job? Ed B ends with: > laters all, and sorry for off-topic bandwidth wastage... ?how is this OFF topic; I'm just now feelin' frisky! Wanna go off topic, professor? Give us a little diatribe on electron orbitals. Ever since G & B and that "Squiggle" {i HATE that squiggle-name for what's really the 'atomic orbitals'} orbital had the 'electron' associatin for me. I can remember finding out that P&P got the name from their freeway and exploded laughing. :o {just when you really get into something, someone stops by and rescues you with humor!} SHUDDU!P WITH YER SHUTTIN' UP! -Yosemite Sam- Peace! Old dog out! ShannON+ON+ON # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Date: 24 Aug 1999 20:51:53 +0100 At 10:39 24/08/99 -0400, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: >> I must stress that these are just my views...but a lot of >> musicologists seem to tell the same tale. > >What the ^@&$ is a musicologist?! Quit making up words! aren't they the people that testify in court in plagiarism cases? Saying "this is a ripoff af that", etc. You can't assume that because you don't know the meaning of a word that it's made-up! If we wanna start picking on words, let's have a(nother) go at "electronica", shall we. Jon - "Don't tell me how to live my life and don't ever stop the music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Date: 24 Aug 1999 21:01:34 +0100 At 17:02 24/08/99 +0100, Ed Blackshaw wrote: >Sorry, could you enlighten us. When was techno born exactly? If we're going >to get into the kind of 'Techno was born at this precise time and didn't exist >in any form before' discussion, I would like the exact date, place and time of >birth. A birth certificate would be nice. there's a magazine published by some guys in Detroit circa '87 (including but, I think not limited to, the Great Three) that I believe featured the first use of "techno" to describe the music. You could say techno was born then, any music derived from the music they were describing as techno is techno (or at least "techno-related"), and taht any music before weasn't techno, but was a precursor to techno. At least that's how I see it. ># From the electro scene came ># > Cybotron's 'Clear' in 1985...behind which was a certain Juan Atkins. ># > Now, you *all* know who he is, don't you? ># Ummmm...no. Why are we only going as far as 1985? I believe Kraftwerk was a ># 60's or 70's band. And yeah, Kraftwerk is techno. > >Nope, I haven't a clue who this chap is/was either. Juan Atkins (M500, Cybotron, etc), Derrick May ("Strings of Life") and Kevin Saunderson invented techno in 1986 or so in Detroit. And a few others helped (Eddie Fowlkes to name just one). But there's a lot more to it than that. As you've not heard of Atkins, have you heard "Strings of Life"? >How much syncopated rap do you come across? Can someone give me a definition of 'syncopated'? It sounds like the count of word I ought to be able to use. Jon - "Don't tell me how to live my life and don't ever stop the music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Thompson Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Date: 24 Aug 1999 15:07:27 -0500 Hey, What the hell is this statement below....this has to be the worst comment I've seen on the list yet. Now Brenden, I know I met you at the show and all but FUCK...this is not what I want to see on this list. I don't see how his statement even hinted at any kind of self proclamation. It was just a simple statement about a book he found. Adding the comment that you did really just makes you look stupid more than anyone else. So, please, next time before you try to cut someone down......just take a minute to think if it is really worth it, and if it is really neccessary at all.....thanks.......Don Thompson >> A very very very good book I'd recommend to EVERYONE on this list is one that just >> came out called "Techno Rebels:" and is written by URB magazine stalwart/detroit >> native Dan Sicko. Im reading this right now and its a fuckin excellent telling of >> the history...ive even learned things I didnt know. > >Ahhh...seeing that you are an "expert" in techno, you should know everything about it, right? -- Don Thompson, Don78@prodigy.net on 08/24/1999 at 3:03:22 PM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Date: 24 Aug 1999 16:29:45 -0400 Jon Green wrote: > > At 10:39 24/08/99 -0400, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > >> I must stress that these are just my views...but a lot of > >> musicologists seem to tell the same tale. > > > >What the ^@&$ is a musicologist?! Quit making up words! > > aren't they the people that testify in court in plagiarism cases? Saying > "this is a ripoff af that", etc. You can't assume that because you don't > know the meaning of a word that it's made-up! If we wanna start picking on > words, let's have a(nother) go at "electronica", shall we. Ummm...musicologist is Spanish and Italian for "musician". Other than that, it's not a word. Electronica is, in modern day usage, a synonym for techno. "Techno" wasn't used the way is it now (as a synonym for electronica). It used to be a description of a sub-genre. (I believe it described electronic dance music, like dance, hardcore, gabber, etc.) However, "techno" became popular as a general description of electronic music. Electronica has always been a description for electronic music. > there's a magazine published by some guys in Detroit circa '87 (including > but, I think not limited to, the Great Three) that I believe featured the > first use of "techno" to describe the music. You could say techno was born > then, any music derived from the music they were describing as techno is > techno (or at least "techno-related"), and taht any music before weasn't > techno, but was a precursor to techno. At least that's how I see it. > > Juan Atkins (M500, Cybotron, etc), Derrick May ("Strings of Life") and > Kevin Saunderson invented techno in 1986 or so in Detroit. And a few others > helped (Eddie Fowlkes to name just one). But there's a lot more to it than > that. Ummm...Detroit is not the birthplace of techno. Detroit is the birthplace of "Detroit techno". Britian and Germany invented techno. You seem to be stuck on one section of techno. > Can someone give me a definition of 'syncopated'? It sounds like the count > of word I ought to be able to use. Syncopate \Syn"co*pate\, To commence, as a tone, on an unaccented part of a measure, and continue it into the following accented part, so that the accent is driven back upon the weak part and the rhythm drags. Layman's terms: to trip up the beat. Most bigbeat music is syncopated on the third measure. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: (orbital) Re: and around we go!!!!!!!!!! Date: 24 Aug 1999 16:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Excerpts from lists: 24-Aug-99 Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, t.. by SineSwiper@resonatorsoft >> there's a magazine published by some guys in Detroit circa '87 (including >> but, I think not limited to, the Great Three) that I believe featured the >> first use of "techno" to describe the music. You could say techno was born >> then, any music derived from the music they were describing as techno is >> techno (or at least "techno-related"), and taht any music before weasn't >> techno, but was a precursor to techno. At least that's how I see it. >> >> Juan Atkins (M500, Cybotron, etc), Derrick May ("Strings of Life") and >> Kevin Saunderson invented techno in 1986 or so in Detroit. And a few >> others >> helped (Eddie Fowlkes to name just one). But there's a lot more to it than >> that. > > Ummm...Detroit is not the birthplace of techno. Detroit is the birthplace > of > "Detroit techno". Britian and Germany invented techno. You seem to be > stuck > on one section of techno. I get the impression that you don't even read 75% of the posts and just reply to a sentence or 2 that you think are wrong. and why are we still stuck on this thread? It seems like I've heard the same arugments multiple times. We haven't gained any ground here... aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly, three times a charm Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:11:45 -0400 Ed Blackshaw wrote: > > This was my point. No genre of music owes its existence to another. Well, I wouldn't exactly say that, either. Techno is a VERY diverse genre, at least as diverse as rock. Some of the less diverse genres would pull from less sources. > And don't forget Tangerine dream. Most (~90%) of what they did can only be > described as ambient. If we're talking about classification, then surely > ambient is a subclass of techno? Goddammit, they made the MOOG popular. How > many non-techno bands use/have used MOOGS? how many rappers/hip-hoppers? I mentioned them, remember? > Hmm. Somebody here has blatantly failed to notice what we Brits call a > tongue-in-cheek comment. Furthermore, I don't agree. If you enjoy a piece of > music, knowledge of its genesis is not necessary for that enjoyment. Tongue-in-cheek comments and sarcasm (what we call it in the States) is often hard to reconize on Internet conversations. > How about the Ozric Tentacles. Ok, they're prog-rockers, but I hear a lot of > techno that owes them credit. Actually, OT started out in the mid to late 80's. However, they sound like a 70's BPR band. With them in the 90's, they've definately taken it to new heights. I don't know the inspiration for every artist, but I can only think of Eat Static (OT's former techno wizards) who "owes" them anything. > As I've always said, the best techno is made by giving a hippy a synth. C'mon, > Hillage is the God of intelligent techno. Have you heard System 7's 'Power of > Seven'? Try dancing to that! I can't, 'cos the beat's just to way out there. > How much syncopated rap do you come across? Depends on "how syncopated?". Anything that is not "four-on-the-floor" is pretty much syncopated. On a side note, I still need to check out System 7. > Is musicology something like scientology? I'm sure all them scientologists > will tell you the same tale too... Ugh! Please don't mention that fucked up "religion"! If "musicology" is to music as "scientology" is to science, then I could give a rat's ass about "musicologists". If somebody is referring to an expert on music, perhaps "music professor" is a better choice of words. > I think we should all stop trying to categorise music. As far as I can see > there should only be two categories - music I like and music I don't like. To > actually try to categorise music and attribute the creation of categories to > other categories is nothing more than intellectual masturbation... There are too many people who don't think about why or how music is good or bad...and it really irritates me. What's worse is that there's musicians that don't think, either. If something is wrong with a song, they don't know why, and as a result, don't know how to fix it. Imagine disliking a car and not knowing why. It could be the color, the handling, the interior, the shape, the sound system, but for some stupid reason, you don't know which. Catagories are just another branch of music analyzing. It's a way of generalizing music into well-defined genres. For example, I don't like country. There might be exceptions (like every rule), but in general, I don't like country. Why? Because I don't like the twang, boring singing, and stale instrument set. (At least rock uses varying types of guitars, keyboards, percussion, etc.) Also, I'm not a big fan of blues, but this doesn't mean I don't like some types of rock. The whole purpose is so that somebody doesn't catch wind of some euro and downplay the entire electronica genre. Maybe that person likes bigbeat or drum&bass or trance or ambient, but not euro or house. Also, I'd like to refer a techno-newbie to some genres of music based on his/her current musical tastes. For example, if somebody is a big jazz fan, I might turn him towards some Squarepusher or U-Ziq or some of the other jazzy drum&bass groups. Yes, categorization can be stereotypical by nature, but it can be helpful in referring to a group of music. Yes, you should know where your music came from and what catagory its in. Maybe not to enjoy it, but it helps when you're having a musical conversation. (Besides, you guys blasted me for confusing breakbeat and bigbeat a month ago, so you have no right to talk.) > laters all, and sorry for off-topic bandwidth wastage... It's not off-topic. If we talked about nothing but Orbital, it would get pretty boring around here. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) 'round we go! {Make up your mind} Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:30:46 -0400 you do seem to be spinning ... Brendan B >Ummm...musicologist is Spanish and Italian for "musician". >Other than that, it's not a word. Actually, there ARE musicologists [typically PhD's in music] and ethno-musicologists [PhD's who collect various ethnic forms; Mickey Hart{just a G.D.} probably being one of the most famous. Now a micologist is into spores, molds and fungi, which rarely make music, electronic or otherwise, unless they are consumed by electric homosapiens from the late 20th century. producing various genres and sub-genres of psychedelia! {?Is this a word?} Excerpts from lists: 24-Aug-99 Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, t.. by SineSwiper@resonatorsoft >> there's a magazine published by some guys in Detroit circa '87 (including >> but, I think not limited to, the Great Three) that I believe featured the >> first use of "techno" to describe the music. {seems to be making a point and using a reference concernig the origins of the word "techno'} AND THEN ONE POST LATER HE SAYS! Brendan B >Electronica is, in modern day usage, a synonym for techno. >"Techno" wasn't used the way is it now (as a synonym for electronica). >It used to be a description of a sub-genre. {seems to be continuing the same line as his last point...} BUT THEN! LATER in the SAME POST! HE SAYS! Brendan B >Ummm...Detroit is not the birthplace of techno. >Detroit is the birthplace of "Detroit techno". >Britian and Germany invented techno. >You seem to be stuck on one section of techno. [Now that was a 180* in the middle of the freeway!] ?BB, didn't ya just go to great lengths, with refs and all, to show us that "techno" {in it's original use} WAS spawned in Detroit. ?BB are you feelin ok? Iwas with you there for a while. Early-onset Alzheimer's disease is a tragedy that robs young lives of their short-term memory Time for a nap! S # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Pointless flaming Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:27:58 -0400 Don Thompson wrote: > > Hey, > What the hell is this statement below....this has to be the worst comment I've seen on > the list yet. Now Brenden, I know I met you at the show and all but FUCK...this is > not what I want to see on this list. I don't see how his statement even hinted at any kind of > self proclamation. It was just a simple statement about a book he found. Adding the > comment that you did really just makes you look stupid more than anyone else. So, please, next > time before you try to cut someone down......just take a minute to think if it is > really worth it, and if it is really neccessary at all.....thanks.......Don Thompson One, it helps to spell my name correctly. It's B-R-E-N-D-A-N. Two, after all of shit and flames I caught about me "not knowing shit about techno", I think I have a right to return those shit and flames back when somebody claims "even I learned things I didn't know". Aronne James Merrelli wrote: > > >> Juan Atkins (M500, Cybotron, etc), Derrick May ("Strings of Life") and > >> Kevin Saunderson invented techno in 1986 or so in Detroit. And a few > >> others > >> helped (Eddie Fowlkes to name just one). But there's a lot more to it than > >> that. > > > > Ummm...Detroit is not the birthplace of techno. Detroit is the birthplace > > of > > "Detroit techno". Britian and Germany invented techno. You seem to be > > stuck > > on one section of techno. > > I get the impression that you don't even read 75% of the posts > and just reply to a sentence or 2 that you think are wrong. Not really. Given that "So and So and So invented techno in 1986 in Detroit" and "But there's a lot more to it than that" seem to contridict each other, I could only assume so much. (The first sentence is a direct and definate birthdate on techno. The second implies that the first is not direct and definate and should be disregarded.) And no, I don't skim through messages. I hate it enough when other people do it to not do it myself. > and why are we still stuck on this thread? It seems like I've heard > the same arugments multiple times. We haven't gained any ground here... Sorry. We got bored. While I'm thinking about it, I hope we aren't confusing "techno", the synonym for electronica, and "techno", a sub-genre of electronica that covers trance/hardcore/etc. The second is outdated and should not be used for that meaning anymore. Use "Dance" or "Rave" to describe it. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Invergo Subject: (orbital) stuff Date: 24 Aug 1999 14:28:31 -0700 (PDT) i just have two questions that have been bugging me for a while now. one's actually orbital related! huzzah!!! 1) in the brown album, the liner notes credit paul helliwell for guitar on lush3. i was just wondering if someone could enlighten me as to where in the hell this guitar shows up. i've searched (ok, a little half-assedly...(is that a word anyone?)) but have had no luck. 2) i know this may spring up more arguments, so i apologize, but i'm just curious. around when do you guys thing techno as we know it started coming around? i was kinda thinkin early 90's like '92 or something. i'm not talking the 80's electro stuff, or the stuff that influenced what we listen to today. i'm talking about the stuff that has the same sound and feel as what we listen to today. sorry about the ambiguous question! and i like to think that "musicologist" is a good word, or at least as valid as "techno-ish," which gets a lot of usage. just a combination of a common english word and a common latin suffix meaning something to the extent of "one who studies this." besides, i don't think it matters. first of all, this isn't a correct english mailing list where we write stuff to have our grammer, vocabulary, and spelling checked by proctors. second of all, when what's-his-name used the word, i kinda got the impression that it was a light-hearted comment (as everything on this list should be, excepting of course tragic or sombre type things) so he wasn't really going for using a complex term or anything. ......just me rambling...oik! brandon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno and techno and electronica Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:43:02 -0400 "Shannon K. Campbell" wrote: > > you do seem to be spinning ... Hey, I'm not the confused person here :) > Actually, there ARE musicologists [typically PhD's in music] and > ethno-musicologists [PhD's who collect various ethnic forms; Mickey > Hart{just a G.D.} probably being one of the most famous. Music professors. There is no such thing as a "musicologist". > Now a micologist is into spores, molds and fungi, which rarely make > music, electronic or otherwise, unless they are consumed by electric > homosapiens from the late 20th century. > producing various genres and sub-genres of psychedelia! {?Is this a > word?} Actually, it's "mycologist". And yes, there is a word called "psychedelia": psychedelia (n), the subculture of users of psychedelic drugs > Brendan B > >Electronica is, in modern day usage, a synonym for techno. > >"Techno" wasn't used the way is it now (as a synonym for electronica). > >It used to be a description of a sub-genre. > > {seems to be continuing the same line as his last point...} > > BUT THEN! LATER in the SAME POST! HE SAYS! > > Brendan B > >Ummm...Detroit is not the birthplace of techno. > >Detroit is the birthplace of "Detroit techno". > >Britian and Germany invented techno. > >You seem to be stuck on one section of techno. > > [Now that was a 180* in the middle of the freeway!] > ?BB, didn't ya just go to great lengths, with refs and all, > to show us that "techno" {in it's original use} WAS spawned in Detroit. > > ?BB are you feelin ok? Iwas with you there for a while. Yes, I'm fine. I think the main problem is everybody else. Using the word "techno" to describe the dance/rave sub-genre is about as confusing as using the word "gay" as a synonym of "merry" or "happy" (instead of describing a "homosexual male"). "Techno" is a synonym of "electronica", ok? It may have not been called "techno" back then, but it is now. Forgive my anal attitude towards word usage, but as you can see, it's already started some major confusion. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly, three times a charm Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:59:36 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: If we talked about nothing but Orbital, it would get pretty boring around here. Wha'd he SAY?! What DID HE SAY? Careful, careful, careful ...... ....>K R AAAAA A A A A AC CC C CC KK KKKKKK! :O S+ON # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly, three times a charm Date: 24 Aug 1999 18:02:08 -0400 "Shannon K. Campbell" wrote: > > Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > If we talked about nothing but Orbital, it would get pretty boring > around here. > > Wha'd he SAY?! > What DID HE SAY? > > Careful, careful, careful ...... > > ....>K R AAAAA A A A A AC CC C CC KK KKKKKK! :O Now now...I love Orbital! They're definately my fav music group. But, confining conversations to JUST them can get over repetitive with nothing but messages about trading, Orbital spottings, and concert reviews. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Date: 24 Aug 1999 19:20:30 -0400 > > >What the ^@&$ is a musicologist?! Quit making up words! > > Ummm...musicologist is Spanish and Italian for "musician". Other than that, it's not a word. Have you tried looking in a dictionary yet? It's listed in mine. If nothing else, it'll be under musicology as a related noun. It is a word. Yes, I know it's lame of me to send an e-mail just to make one simple point (Brendan's wrong), but he insisted on being correct twice. Otherwise I've been trying to stay out of this conversation... I'm simply not well-educated enough of the subject to hold up my side of an intelligent conversation (not that that's stopping everyone :)). This is like saying "when was classical music invented?" To even begin to fathom an answer to such a question, you first have to define exactly what you mean by classical music, what period you're referring to, and what comparisons you'll accept. If someone says that a relative of the violin (or synth) was first used 1000 (or 30) years ago in tribal (or rock) music, then you've got to decide if that makes it related to the type of music you've defined, if it had any influence whatsoever on the type of music you've defined, and if you want to say that just because one similiarity exists that the two musics are alike. People spend years writing books and theses on the subject, we're not going to answer it in a few posts. We're just going to piss each other off. Who needs it? Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:01:24 -0700 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > It doesn't matter what age it was, what instruments were used, what was and wasn't mixed. If it sounds like techno, it IS techno. Do I have to get into this argument again? Even if it wasn't called techno then, it's still techno. > Hahah...my friend you ARE delusional. So, John Cage is Techno now? > What is new wave anyway? And what is 70's electronic music? Isn't that techno? (You know..."electronica".) > To you, yes it is. > Ahhh...seeing that you are an "expert" in techno, you should know everything about it, right? > What the fuck is your deal? When did I say I was an expert? Youre the one who thinks he knows alot but knows next to nothing but a few names he learned along the way. Why would I reading the book if I was an expert? .MatthewFord. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Pointless flaming Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:06:34 -0700 HAHAHHAHAHA....once again with the backwards thinking? Calling techno music "dance and rave" music? what the fuck is that? You must work for Billboard or DMA or something .matthewford. Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > While I'm thinking about it, I hope we aren't confusing "techno", the synonym for electronica, and "techno", a sub-genre of electronica that covers trance/hardcore/etc. The second is outdated and should not be used for that meaning anymore. Use "Dance" or "Rave" to describe it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly, I wish this was a MB so this Date: 24 Aug 1999 20:44:19 -0400 Patrick McGinn wrote: > > Have you tried looking in a dictionary yet? It's listed in mine. If > nothing else, it'll be under musicology as a related noun. It is a word. Hmmm...not at dictionary.com. Of course, "electronica" isn't in there either, so I question the wordbase at the site. Not at m-w.com either. Damn, these online dictionaries suck. Anybody know of a good one? > This is like saying "when was classical music invented?" To even begin to > fathom an answer to such a question, you first have to define exactly what > you mean by classical music, what period you're referring to, and what > comparisons you'll accept. If someone says that a relative of the violin > (or synth) was first used 1000 (or 30) years ago in tribal (or rock) music, > then you've got to decide if that makes it related to the type of music > you've defined, if it had any influence whatsoever on the type of music > you've defined, and if you want to say that just because one similiarity > exists that the two musics are alike. Oh, I dunno. It -is- possible, but since it started so long ago, it's a helluva lot harder to pinpoint. It's not really like saying "when was classical music invented?" because techno was only invented somewhat recently (like 30 or so years ago). > People spend years writing books and theses on the subject, we're not going > to answer it in a few posts. > > We're just going to piss each other off. Who needs it? People don't know how to have a good argument w/o pissing everybody off. (I'll admit; sometimes I fit in that catagory, too.) This seems to be a pretty non-heated argument. Besides, I said it once and I'll say it again: Life is boring when everybody argees with each other. Matthew Ford wrote: > > Hahah...my friend you ARE delusional. > So, John Cage is Techno now? Who is John Cage? And why am I delusional? > > What is new wave anyway? And what is 70's electronic music? Isn't that techno? (You know..."electronica".) > > > > To you, yes it is. See, this is stuff that pisses me off. A completely non-productive answer to a perfectly logical and sound question. Either answer the question correctly or don't answer it at all. > What the fuck is your deal? When did I say I was an expert? Youre the one who thinks he > knows alot but knows next to nothing but a few names he learned along the way. > Why would I reading the book if I was an expert? You seemed to have a holier-than-thou attitude with "even I learned something". No, I'm not going to let a comment like that slide by, because anytime I imply techno expertise, I get flamed by fucks like you. So, none of you now are going to imply it. No, I don't know everything, but I'm not a fucking idiot either. > Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > > While I'm thinking about it, I hope we aren't confusing "techno", the > > synonym for electronica, and "techno", a sub-genre of electronica that > > covers trance/hardcore/etc. The second is outdated and should not be used > > for that meaning anymore. Use "Dance" or "Rave" to describe it. > > HAHAHHAHAHA....once again with the backwards thinking? Calling techno music > "dance and rave" music? what the fuck is that? > You must work for Billboard or DMA or something (See, Aronne. -That's- skimming!) Maybe you should re-read the goddamn statement. I wasn't calling "electronica" "dance and rave". I was calling what used to be called "techno" to be "dance" or "rave". You know, the type of electronica that has that droning bass beat, thud, thud, thud, thud. You hear it all the time at raves. What the hell's wrong with calling that sub-genre "dance" or "rave"? It's better than calling it "techno" and getting everybody confused. I hate the Electronica Primer's usage of the word for that reason. Like many words in the English language, it has a newer meaning that confuses the first. Do you have a better name? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Kiley" Subject: (orbital) Electronica? Date: 24 Aug 1999 19:53:33 -0500 Electronica, isn't that some word that MTV made up? I don't know, seems to me to be that way at least. MDK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) Hey, there's Brendan...get him! Date: 24 Aug 1999 21:03:08 EDT Hey, for all of you out there who are getting sick of this shit, I've been patiently reading this stuff now for a couple days.... Brendan, or Brandon, or Fucko, or whatever...Do you sit by the computer and instigate fights all day? I mean come one now, you are the one that said Orbital shouldn't be the only thing that is talked about, now you can leave if you don't like it. I realize that it is quite impossible to talk about just Orbital, and it is necessary to talk about related artists, influences, etc...but come on now, realize that what you are doing has little to do with music...you are simply playing word games, and sifting through peoples' context. Ok, that said, I'd like to once again say that I intend to stay out of this. Deekay, where are you on this man? I will only join in this Techno (or fuckin Rave or whatever) War if I am invite, so please, would someone invite me!? HAHAHAHAHA Ok, I expect various responses on this, so bring the shit, I'll step in the ring with no regrets :) Later. P.S. Brendan, do you have ICQ? If so, reach me at my number: Robert Schultz ICQ# 42322067 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly, blah, blah, blah Date: 24 Aug 1999 21:03:30 -0400 Patrick McGinn wrote: > > Have you tried looking in a dictionary yet? It's listed in mine. If > nothing else, it'll be under musicology as a related noun. It is a word. Hmmm...not at dictionary.com. Of course, "electronica" isn't in there either, so I question the wordbase at the site. Not at m-w.com either. Damn, these online dictionaries suck. Anybody know of a good one? > This is like saying "when was classical music invented?" To even begin to > fathom an answer to such a question, you first have to define exactly what > you mean by classical music, what period you're referring to, and what > comparisons you'll accept. If someone says that a relative of the violin > (or synth) was first used 1000 (or 30) years ago in tribal (or rock) music, > then you've got to decide if that makes it related to the type of music > you've defined, if it had any influence whatsoever on the type of music > you've defined, and if you want to say that just because one similiarity > exists that the two musics are alike. Oh, I dunno. It -is- possible, but since it started so long ago, it's a helluva lot harder to pinpoint. It's not really like saying "when was classical music invented?" because techno was only invented somewhat recently (like 30 or so years ago). > People spend years writing books and theses on the subject, we're not going > to answer it in a few posts. > > We're just going to piss each other off. Who needs it? People don't know how to have a good argument w/o pissing everybody off. (I'll admit; sometimes I fit in that catagory, too.) This seems to be a pretty non-heated argument (or it used to be until MF showed up). Besides, I said it once and I'll say it again: Life is boring when everybody argees with each other. Matthew Ford wrote: > > Hahah...my friend you ARE delusional. > So, John Cage is Techno now? Who is John Cage? And why am I delusional? > > What is new wave anyway? And what is 70's electronic music? Isn't that techno? (You know..."electronica".) > > > > To you, yes it is. See, this is stuff that pisses me off. A completely non-productive answer to a perfectly logical and sound question. Either answer the question correctly or don't answer it at all. > What the fuck is your deal? When did I say I was an expert? Youre the one who thinks he > knows alot but knows next to nothing but a few names he learned along the way. > Why would I reading the book if I was an expert? You seemed to have a holier-than-thou attitude with "even I learned something". No, I'm not going to let a comment like that slide by, because anytime I imply techno expertise, I get flamed by fucks like you. So, none of you now are going to imply it. No, I don't know everything, but I'm not a fucking idiot either. > Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > > While I'm thinking about it, I hope we aren't confusing "techno", the > > synonym for electronica, and "techno", a sub-genre of electronica that > > covers trance/hardcore/etc. The second is outdated and should not be used > > for that meaning anymore. Use "Dance" or "Rave" to describe it. > > HAHAHHAHAHA....once again with the backwards thinking? Calling techno music > "dance and rave" music? what the fuck is that? > You must work for Billboard or DMA or something (See, Aronne. -That's- skimming!) Maybe you should re-read the goddamn statement. I wasn't calling "electronica" "dance and rave". I was calling what used to be called "techno" to be "dance" or "rave". You know, the type of electronica that has that droning bass beat, thud, thud, thud, thud. You hear it all the time at raves. What the hell's wrong with calling that sub-genre "dance" or "rave"? It's better than calling it "techno" and getting everybody confused. I hate the Electronica Primer's usage of the word for that reason. Like many words in the English language, it has a newer meaning that confuses the first. Do you have a better name? -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) Hey, there's Brendan...get him! Date: 24 Aug 1999 22:02:06 -0400 Robert Schultz wrote: > > Hey, for all of you out there who are getting sick of this shit, I've been > patiently reading this stuff now for a couple days.... > > Brendan, or Brandon, or Fucko, or whatever...Do you sit by the computer and > instigate fights all day? I mean come one now, you are the one that said > Orbital shouldn't be the only thing that is talked about, now you can leave > if you don't like it. I realize that it is quite impossible to talk about > just Orbital, and it is necessary to talk about related artists, influences, > etc...but come on now, realize that what you are doing has little to do with > music...you are simply playing word games, and sifting through peoples' > context. Yeah, you're right about the flaming shit. I think I'll put MF on ignore. But, no, I'm not trying to confuse people. I didn't realize that some people actually used the other meaning of "techno" until they were tracing the roots to that other meaning. See, this is why conversations like this should take place. Let's go promote another name for the sub-catagory and we won't be confused any more. > Ok, that said, I'd like to once again say that I intend to stay out of this. > Deekay, where are you on this man? I will only join in this Techno (or > fuckin Rave or whatever) War if I am invite, so please, would someone invite > me!? HAHAHAHAHA C'mon man. You don't need an invite to join in a public battle. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Thompson Subject: (orbital) LISTEN UP! Date: 24 Aug 1999 21:25:04 -0500 Hey All, Brendan....hey my fault spelling one letter wrong...it's call= ed a typo. I'm seriously seriously getting tired of the shit that has bee= n coming from you. PLEASE think=20 before you speak from now on. Matthew DID NOT imply any techno expertise = at all in that comment....in fact....I think he implied that he wasn't to= o sure on the subject as HE=20 WAS READING UP ON IT. Do you see this at all????? PLUS....ON THIS LIST TH= ERE SHOULD NOT BE AN EYE FOR AN EYE ATTITUDE. That's just fucking pointle= ss and=20 all it does it cause more arguments. He said he learned things he didn't = know....I think that's a far cry from saying he's an expert. You have to = stop reading into things and=20 making the wrong decisions. If this kind of stuff keeps up I will be havi= ng a chat with the list op. You don't want this to happen. So, just sit b= ack, chill, and make this list FUN=20 AND INFORMATIVE again.....please..............Don Thompson > What the fuck is your deal? When did I say I was an expert? =A0Youre th= e one who thinks he > knows alot but knows next to nothing but a few names he learned along t= he way. > Why would I reading the book if I was an expert? =20 You seemed to have a holier-than-thou attitude with "even I learned somet= hing".=20 No, I'm not going to let a comment like that slide by, because anytime I = imply techno expertise, I get flamed by fucks like you. =A0So, none of you now = are going to imply it. -- Don Thompson, Don78@prodigy.net on 08/24/1999 at 9:19:33 PM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: (orbital) what the hell is going on Date: 24 Aug 1999 22:43:34 -0400 what's going on kids i come back after holiday and everybodys fighting grr aim=E9e - moving out in 9 days http://shush.com/aimee http://baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew J Russell Subject: (orbital) re:stuff Date: 24 Aug 1999 23:16:48 -0400 (EDT) i think the guitar is in lush 3-2...but i won't swear to it..... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mehul Parekh I Subject: (orbital) blocking Date: 24 Aug 1999 20:16:45 -0700 (PDT) I have a question. If I want to block 'Brendan-fucko' from my mail...what do I do. If I block him, will it block all mail from the orbital mailing list or just him? Thanks. PS The moderator of this list can jump in now. I mean, seriously, brendan is like having periods 2 times a month on this mailing list where he HAS to pick on something. Get a life, and dont tell me to not read your messages. I am trying to block you! === The Mehul mpp001@rocketmail.com mpp001@drake.edu _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Kiley" Subject: (orbital) Hehe Date: 24 Aug 1999 22:26:50 -0500 Is that his new name then? I think it'll work..."fucko"...cute little name ;) MDK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Annnnnnnnnnyway... Date: 24 Aug 1999 23:31:58 -0400 I was planning on doing some musical reviews, but caught up on this "techno" shit. Lemme see, last time I was raving about Waterfall Cities, and that was about 10-20 albums ago. Damn, I love trainspotting! First, Mike & Rich's Expert Knob Twiddlers. If this is the result of bringing two awesome electronica wizards together to make an album, I want more! For newbies, Mike Paradinas (of U-Ziq) and Richard James (of Aphex Twin) in a quirky D&B (I think) album. I dunno...there's a bunch of catchy little items here. My favorite is definately the first track, Mr. Frosty. Has some cool jazzy riffs, back-layered with nice strings and a upbeat theme. (Or maybe it's closer to IDM. I think too much about these things.) Squarepusher's Feed Me Wierd Things. The usual good D&B shit that I was expecting. Theme From Ernest Borgnine has such a cool energy-boost with a fast 170-200 bpm D&B beat entering a slow and warm riff. Reminds me of the build-ups in Chem Bros's The Sunshine Underground. Did I mention Lamb? No, I guess not. I bought both of their albums. Damn good stuff. A D&B wizard and a singer team up in this group. The singer has a haunting voice, like Beth Gibbons (Portishead) but not as annoying or squeaky. (I'm sorry, but Beth sounds like she's sucking on a piece of candy while singing.) "Fear of Fours" is their jazzy, more upbeat album and their self-titled is mellower, but both are good stuff. Amon Tobin's Permutations took a bit to get into, but I realized it has quite a bit of good material. Some parts are just too jazzy to get into, like "Like Regular Chickens". I'm more into the D&B songs like "Reanimator", "Sordid", and "People Like Frank". Sort of a DJ Food-type sound with more jazz elements. S&J Digweed's NE Eastcoast Edition is a helluva lot better than the Westcoast Edition. At least, that's the impression I got out of it. Lots of nice Trance/Dance/Ambient stuff with bands that I reconized, like Fluke and Gus Gus. Paul Oakenfold's Tranceport was well-raved by Kel, so I bought it. Only heard it once, but already played a few songs over again. I love Gus Gus' Purple and any remix of it. (Gus Gus is one of those bands that puts out a bunch of crappy songs and a few really good songs. It's kinda annoying, actually.) Last but not least, Dave Seaman's Renaissance America. One of the few DJ mix CDs that I bought from the listening station. Features some nice and mellow vocal trance by BT and Brother Brown on the first two tracks and goes from there. (What the hell's wrong with me? I'm starting to buy DJ mixes now. I used to avoid those things. I guess it's because I'm starting to like House a bit more, but if this keeps up, I may start liking Euro...nah, perish the thought...) Anyway, more messages about flaming come my way, so... -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew J Russell Subject: (orbital) re: once, twice, apparently 1000 times a boring thread.. Date: 24 Aug 1999 23:38:39 -0400 (EDT) well.....now that we've appeared to have beaten a useless topic into the ground...let me toss in my own stuff..... 1)where exactly would new order/depeche mode fit in...they were doing danceable stuff well before the whole techno scene thingy... 2)wouldn't this thread be a little bit better if we went on about how it related to orbital(i.e....their influences....who/what they've influenced....whether or not they care what electronica means..etc.) 3)could we stop arguing about "techno" or "electronica"...these words come from peoples' need to be able to refer to something by a name in order to help other people undersatnd them.....the word doesn't matter...the image conjured to mind is the important thing here.. 4)whoever it was who said just talking about orbital is slightly boring is sort of correct...sometimes there just isn't enought about them going on....and also these debates are interesting......but why do they always devolve into name calling and "i'm-right-no-i'm-right-shut-up-no-you-shut-up" matches....if they didn't do that...these would actually be pretty funny arguments... 5)it's always good manners to spell someone's name correctly.... 6)flaming is bad....unless the person is doing nothing but insulting people....which hasn't happened.......yet..... 7)why can't orbital visit the u.s. more often?.....i've only had the chance to see them once...and it was a damn good show.....difficult to dance in narrow seat rows...but it was worth the 2-day limp... 8)anyone else suspect backstreet boys and nsync are actually the same five guys? 9)you know what's really odd?...i listened to flock of seagulls greatest hits....most of them aren't that bad 10)who did that song "popcorn"?...you know...the one aphex twin covered....i heard it on tv somewhere...and always wanted to know who did it.... 11)those damn gap commercials.....why do i find myself telling random people i want to dress the up in my love all over all over? 12)getting bored yet? 13)why is it that whenever a band makes a 3rd album...the critics always attack them?...if they do a similar album to the 1st two....they get yelled at for doing the same thing over and over...but if they do someting different...they get yelled at for not staying "true to form"?........ 14)did you know tongue rings can cause stuttering?....make sure you are on VERY good terms with the piercer before you try it.... 15)who started the whole "jeans-that-come-down-to-mid-calf" trend?....it always struck me that the people look like they can't dress themselves... well....that's my little rant/rave......and let's hope that it confuses everyone enough so that they stop arguing... peace, love, and a vaguely warm and damp feeling, matt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) blocking Date: 24 Aug 1999 23:40:19 -0400 Mehul Parekh I wrote: > > I have a question. If I want to block 'Brendan-fucko' from my > mail...what do I do. If I block him, will it block all mail from the > orbital mailing list or just him? From Netscape, go to Edit/Message Filters. Add a filter that deletes messages that has a To containing "Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper". Other mailers have similar instructions. > PS The moderator of this list can jump in now. I mean, seriously, > brendan is like having periods 2 times a month on this mailing list where > he HAS to pick on something. Get a life, and dont tell me to not read > your messages. I am trying to block you! Jesus Christ man! Is everybody so damn easy to bruise that they run home to Mommy at the first sign of trouble? Oh, I'm sorry. Maybe I should put on my happy face and starting argeeing with everybody. "HI EVERYBODY!!! Let's talk about whistles and candy and fun stuff! I love you people! I hope nobody has any negative vibes about anything cuz the bad flames will come and get you!" I'd better stop. I'm starting to sound like Aimee. (Just kidding, Aimee! I like your cheerful attitude. Hey, don't gimme that look. I said I was kidding.) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: Re: (orbital) blocking Date: 24 Aug 1999 23:58:49 -0400 > "HI EVERYBODY!!! Let's talk about whistles and candy and fun stuff! I love you > people! I hope nobody has any negative vibes about anything cuz the ba= d flames > will come and get you!" > > I'd better stop. I'm starting to sound like Aimee. (Just kidding, Aim= ee! I > like your cheerful attitude. Hey, don't gimme that look. I said I was > kidding.) grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrawr i *like* my whistles and candy and massively oversized pants and if i wasn't busy getting ready to move out i'd get mad and attack or something let's see.. i've got a teletubbies backpack on the floor here with a dayplanner, wallet, pack of skittles, pharmacy bill for $110 and change (damn meds), hair dye rebate coupon and cd player in it.. and a candy grabber, stuffed kangaroo, stuffed monkey, blue stuffed intel bunny suit man, stuffed cookie monster and mini cookbook hanging from it.. hm.. nothing to attack with sleep time aim=E9e - moving out in 9 days http://shush.com/aimee http://baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) re: Hi! I reply too much. Shoot me please! Date: 25 Aug 1999 00:23:22 -0400 Matthew J Russell wrote: > > well.....now that we've appeared to have beaten a useless topic into the ground...let me > toss in my own stuff..... Ahhh...it could have been good, but everybody got confused. > 1)where exactly would new order/depeche mode fit in...they were doing > danceable stuff well before the whole techno scene thingy... Old or new DM? Newer Depeche Mode (IOW, the newest album, Ultra) has adopted some more traditional sounds, so it would be more of a techno-rock thing. Older DM I was never too sure, nor the entire 80's rock scene. It's not really techno; just people playing rock on a full electronic set. It's sorta its own catagory and period, but really shouldn't be put under techno...errr...I mean, electronica. > 2)wouldn't this thread be a little bit better if we went on about how it > related to orbital(i.e....their influences....who/what they've > influenced....whether or not they care what electronica means..etc.) See point #4. > 3)could we stop arguing about "techno" or "electronica"...these words come > from peoples' need to be able to refer to something by a name in order to help > other people undersatnd them.....the word doesn't matter...the image conjured > to mind is the important thing here.. Sorry, but I just wanted to try to stop a source of confusing before it happens again. I call electronica "techno" all the time, but there are still some old cards that use the other meaning. > 4)whoever it was who said just talking about orbital is slightly boring is > sort of correct...sometimes there just isn't enought about them going > on....and also these debates are interesting......but why do they always > devolve into name calling and "i'm-right-no-i'm-right-shut-up-no-you-shut-up" > matches....if they didn't do that...these would actually be pretty funny > arguments... I wasn't really name calling or anything. Flaming, maybe, but not name calling. Besides, I've already had my private chatting with Rob S and M Ford. I just wished that original debate about the origins of tec...errr...electronica showed back up. > 5)it's always good manners to spell someone's name correctly.... Thank you. > 6)flaming is bad....unless the person is doing nothing but insulting > people....which hasn't happened.......yet..... This is true. Sorry. > 7)why can't orbital visit the u.s. more often?.....i've only had the chance to > see them once...and it was a damn good show.....difficult to dance in narrow > seat rows...but it was worth the 2-day limp... Be lucky that you see them at all. They are Brits, you know. How many Brits do you know of that do a full-scale US tour? Damn, I wish Ozric Tentacles did some shows in the US. > 8)anyone else suspect backstreet boys and nsync are actually the same five > guys? Hmmm...good theory. Toss in 98 Degrees. > 9)you know what's really odd?...i listened to flock of seagulls greatest > hits....most of them aren't that bad Who are they? > 10)who did that song "popcorn"?...you know...the one aphex twin covered....i > heard it on tv somewhere...and always wanted to know who did it.... Bah, you people don't know how to search on the Internet. CDNOW, song title, "Popcorn". I think "Hot Butter" did that one, but there are a bunch of entries. > 11)those damn gap commercials.....why do i find myself telling random people i > want to dress the up in my love all over all over? Huh? What the hell are you talking about? I just wish they would take that damn Gillian's Island hag and her dog out, and put in more scenes with...ummm...what's her name? Brooke Shields? No, that can't be right. > 12)getting bored yet? Ironically, no. I'm sure everybody else is bored with my e-mail, though. > 13)why is it that whenever a band makes a 3rd album...the critics always > attack them?...if they do a similar album to the 1st two....they get yelled at > for doing the same thing over and over...but if they do someting > different...they get yelled at for not staying "true to form"?........ I dunno. I hate critics, esp. movie critics. They think that all action and long movies suck. If it's three hours, it sucks. For example, Meet Joe Black was a great movie and all the critics bashed it to hell. The Postman was bashed even worse. I saw it and thought it was one of Costner's best roles. They try to analyze Blade's plotline, as if to compare to a Speilberg movie. Blade's plot was actually really good, for its type of movie. About "staying true to form", it's all relative. I like White Zombie's trend of going from Metal to Industrial, but a lot of the metalheads don't. I think includes Rob Zombie's own WZ band, because he's going solo now. Frankly, I find most metal to be full of overused riffs. > 14)did you know tongue rings can cause stuttering?....make sure you are on > VERY good terms with the piercer before you try it.... No, but I did heard from a friend that tongue rings are good for giving... errr... forget it... wrong type of audience for that one. > 15)who started the whole "jeans-that-come-down-to-mid-calf" trend?....it > always struck me that the people look like they can't dress themselves... I dunno, but it sure looks nice on women :) > peace, love, and a vaguely warm and damp feeling, I'm not going to touch that one... -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kelbert" Subject: Re: (orbital) re: once, twice, apparently 1000 times a boring thread.. Date: 25 Aug 1999 01:39:10 -0700 okay... i know this is total fluff, and its bad to post/reply to fluff onto a mailing list, especially a mailing list im not a frequent poster to, but still... given the recent battles lately, we all need a little happy fluff in our lives! im sure i've mentioned this before, but hey... its amusing (or at least i find it amusing) to rant about my screwed up theories.... Matthew J Russell wrote: > > 8)anyone else suspect backstreet boys and nsync are actually the same five guys? finally someone else is seeing the truth! the backstreet boys are nsync AND they are the spice girls! do you ever see them in the same place at the same time? NO! why? because the backstreet boys *are* the spice girls. the same guys who were the new kids on the block. just in drag. see, its really the same five guys who get plastic surgery every few years when their popularity starts to wane... you think thats scary? dont even get me started on my michael jackson theory! okay. im done. hopefully this has made you guys laugh (or wonder who the heck i am, spouting off all these useless theories) long enough to forget about the flamewars for a few seconds. peace! -kelly # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (orbital) Fair Warning ; This Is Long Date: 25 Aug 1999 01:11:02 PDT Ok, first of all, some of the things that I'm going to talk about are a bit old on the debate plate, but since Domotool and Daemon have fucked up and rejected all of my messages over the last two weeks, then screw it ! ;-) The other stuff contained herein is just sheer blabbering (yes; maybe there's no relevance in this, but I have to stay humored somehow before I head off to the military soon. :-P) So here we go. 1) THE WHOLE ANDY JACKSON ARGUMENT ------- I must reiterate this point, and then I'll drop it. RAP DID NOT INFLUENCE ELECTRONIC MUSIC. At least not in the beginning. ELECTRONIC CAME FIRST. And as far as your Jamaica reference; that's not quite the same rap. Now, rap may have come into the picture later on; I agree. But overall, techno was first. 2) THE WHOLE KRAFTWERK LEGACY ------- Well Brendan, they are more than just a "speak and spell" group my friend. What Ralf and Florian like to keep in the closet is the period of time before "Autobahn" when they used eastern improvisational techniques and rocked hard to compliment their electronic sound. There were guitars used until "Radioactivity". And Florian played a mean flute back in the day. ;-) Of course "Tone Float" and the first three albums will continue to stay out-of-print because of Ralf and Florian's strict guidelines for perfection; they think all of their stuff before "Autobahn" sounds like shit. It is rumored that they once spent 30 hours recording a kick drum during the Techno Pop sessions because they wanted to get the rhythm so perfect. BUT IT ALL KICKS ASS !!!!!! Rob will definitely attest to this. ;-) Anyone who has heard "Stratovarius" and "Strom" before know what I'm talking about. It's just a shame that EMI, ELEKTRA, AND MTV ARE LAZY FUCKING BASTARDS WHO FAIL TO KEEP THE TRUE LEGACY OF KRAFTWERK ALIVE. BTW, anyone see the infamous "Golden Shower" picture from Wolfgang Flur's new autobiography ? No comment. LOL 3) ROB SCHULTZ AND MATT FORD ARE THE FUCKING BOMB !!!!!!!!! DON'T FUCK WITH THEIR SHIT ! Hmmm. Matt & Rob. Maybe the next Phats and Small ? Jam and Spoon ? OK, I'll shut the fuck up now. :-P 4) SHANNON AND MATT J. ARE FUCKING HILARIOUS !!!! ------- Hey Matt J.; regarding those Gap and Old Navy commercials, I personally feel IMHO that the producers of those spots should be shot. ;-) And that Alzheimer's Disease thing had me LMFAO Shannon !!!! 5) AIMEE COUTURE IS A CUTIE !!! ;-P Nice pix. 6) BRENDAN ------ Well, I think that the name "Fucko" is a bit harsh. Even if he does like to start shit, at least I'm not the only Gong fan on this list anymore ! But one thing trips me out. How can you claim to hate Euro so much when you didn't even know who Yello was when I first mentioned them on this list ? LOL. 7) TOO MUCH NEGATIVITY ???? ----------- Sometimes I wish that Paul and Phil and Steve would just come in and fuck everyone's shit up for being so damn silly on this list. ;-) 8) YOU ACTUALLY DIDN'T THINK THAT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT ORBITAL DID YOU ???? -------- "Mock Tudor" kicks ass ! Does anyone else feel that it should have been on MON ? I love "Blue Illusion" even though it's supposed to be an Orbital rip-off. Anyone know the guys that REALLY composed it ? Here's another argument to start (LOL): Which version of "Speed Freak" is better; the original, or Moby's remix ? How rare is the "D.S. Building Contractors" material ? Does anyone have this stuff ? PLEASE MP3 IT IF YOU DO !!!!!!! Sincerely, NOISEWERKER (DIE MENSCH MACHINE) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Blackshaw Subject: (orbital) Once again off topic, but hey... Date: 25 Aug 1999 09:49:44 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:01:34 +0100 Jon Green wrote: # there's a magazine published by some guys in Detroit circa '87 (including # but, I think not limited to, the Great Three) that I believe featured the # first use of "techno" to describe the music. You could say techno was born # then, any music derived from the music they were describing as techno is # techno (or at least "techno-related"), and taht any music before weasn't # techno, but was a precursor to techno. At least that's how I see it. # I think the point that is being made is that a term that was coined in the mid eighties is now used to encompass a much greater range of musical styles than those it was originally used to describe. Including those that came before. Although the word 'techno' was first used to describe a certain type of music at a definite point in time, it does not necessarily follow that that type of music did not exist before it was classified as such. This is much my point - that all music classification is pointless because it is largely subjective... # Juan Atkins (M500, Cybotron, etc), Derrick May ("Strings of Life") and # Kevin Saunderson invented techno in 1986 or so in Detroit. And a few others # helped (Eddie Fowlkes to name just one). But there's a lot more to it than # that. # As you've not heard of Atkins, have you heard "Strings of Life"? 1985 you say? I would have been eight then... Sorry, haven't heard 'Strings of Life' either... # # >How much syncopated rap do you come across? # # Can someone give me a definition of 'syncopated'? It sounds like the count # of word I ought to be able to use. It's a musical term, referring to stress on the off-beat. It's use is not so common in modern music, since the majority of it is designed as three-minute pop songs for radio-play and chart sales. A good example of its usage would be on System 7's 'Power of Seven' - pretty much the whole album, or in the Ozric Tentacles 'Ayurvedic', on the album 'Strangetude'. -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Blackshaw Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly Date: 25 Aug 1999 09:52:59 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:07:27 -0500 Don Thompson wrote: # # Hey, # What the hell is this statement below....this has to be the worst # comment I've seen on the list yet. ... # >Ahhh...seeing that you are an "expert" in techno, you should know everything # about it, right? -- Don Thompson, Don78@prodigy.net on 08/24/1999 at 3:03:22 PM I fully agree, there is never any case for name-calling. You are clearly stupid and ignorant and socially inept if you revert to name-calling. (For those who didn't realise - that was IRONY) -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (orbital) Kelbert and More Kraftwerk Date: 25 Aug 1999 01:52:47 PDT I don't know about the rest of you, but I want to hear more on Kelbert's Michael Jackson theory. ;-P And must I continue about the importance of Kraftwerk ? After all, P&P cite them as huge influences. This is the group that was so way ahead of their time that Jacko and Elton John had asked the group to write songs for them. Ralf Hutter turned them both down. THAT'S CREDIBILITY FO' YO' ASS !!!! ;-P BTW, did you guys ever check out that "Orbital Meets Art of Noise" article in Raygun that I had mentioned a LONG ASS TIME AGO ? No one has talked about it. My two favorite groups in the whole entire world; together to rip shit apart ! NoiseWerker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Jackson" Subject: (orbital) This whole techno debate thing Date: 25 Aug 1999 09:49:13 GMT As the person who really stoked the fires of this debate I get no satisfaction from seeing it degenerate into a flamefest. However, a number of points should be clarified; 1. The word 'Techno' was coined in connection to the sound that came out of Detroit in the years 1985-1987. This was the product of a number of fertile minds - Juan Atkins, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Eddie Fowlkes, Carl Craig, Kenny Larkin and others. They themselves have said that their influences were the New York hip hop and electro scene, Acid House, Kraftwerk and numerous European new wave electronic bands, including New Order, Cabaret Voltaire, Depeche Mode and the Human League. Nobody I have ever read who has written about this 'scene' has ever mentioned Gong, Pink Floyd, Camel or any other 70s prog rock outfit being an influence. 2. Detroit-scene Techno came back to Europe and was picked up by the likes of Warp Records (LFO, Sweet Exorcist and others) who continued the traditions of purely electronic music. This 'genre' (and I know there are some genrologists (that's not a real word, I made that up) out there who like to pin labels onto records, so this scene is now more commonly called 'Detroit'. 3. The sound was softened and more 'organic' elements came in as it started to go mainstream and be played to the masses in 'raves' in the UK and Europe. 'Detroit' was still underground in the USA. Still no sign of Gong, Floyd or Camel(!!) having any major influence. Techno no longer means Detroit style...its frame of reference widens to encompass anybody making electronic music that you can dance to, and some that you can't! 4. 'Techno' in the UK and Europe starts to subdivide into ambient sounds (The Orb, who certainly had an ear on Tangerine Dream, Eno and maybe even Pink Floyd...but Camel(!!!) are never mentioned in connection with the band), Trance (Harthouse/Eye-Q & MFS) and probably a number of other sub-genres which I don't care to put a name to as I'm not sure I'd be on solid ground. 5. 'Electronica' is not synonymous with 'Techno'. Electronica is a name attached to a wide range of styles in order to get them to fit together when they plainly don't. 6. 'Musicologists' do exist. Just because your dictionary doesn't contain a word doesn't mean the word does not exist. It is an accepted term for a person who studies the science, construction and history of music. 7. Orbital profess to have been influenced by Acid House, Detroit techno, Kraftwerk, science fiction themes and soundtrack music. They were in the second wave of UK 'techno' bands, but were associated with the rave scene through 'Chime' which became something of a rave anthem. I wouldn't categorize Orbital at all these days as I think the music they make doesn't readily fit into any single genre...but many will no doubt disagree there. 8. Any artist who made music with the sounds or qualities of 'techno' but *before* 1986 and the coining of the term 'Techno' for the Detroit scene (and there are many, many of them) cannot be described as techno...if somebody espoused the doctrines and beliefs of communism but did so 20 years before Karl Marx invented the term (and I bet people will tell me that Karl Marx didn't invent the term Communism...they may be right) then they cannot be termed a communist. 9. 70s prog rock has had a marginal influence on techno in the main. Very few techno artists have cited this era as an influence. I can only think of a few - The Orb, a few Planet Dog label artists, Eat Static, Loop Guru. 10. I didn't want to mention this before but I happen to lecture on the subject of popular music to an American Studies degree course...which necessitates a lot of reading on the subject. Without wanting to sound conceited, I really do think that I've read round this subject pretty well, and the views expressed in this email are not simply plucked from thin air. I'm sorry to have to play this card, but some people seem to diss what's being said so readily without knowing anything about what they are dissing. To profess no knowledge of who Juan Atkins is and then to talk in an authoritative manner about what Techno is and isn't shows a touch of arrogance. I don't think this is going to end this debate but maybe it might stop us going over the same ground ad nauseam. Or maybe not....please remember that we are all friends here and we seek only the truth. In nomine patri, et fili, et spiritu santi.... Andy Jackson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Blackshaw Subject: Re: (orbital) Pointless flaming Date: 25 Aug 1999 10:00:18 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:27:58 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: # One, it helps to spell my name correctly. It's B-R-E-N-D-A-N. Two, after all # of shit and flames I caught about me "not knowing shit about techno", I think I # have a right to return those shit and flames back when somebody claims "even I # learned things I didn't know". Take a DEEP breath... Aaaaaaaaand RELAX... # While I'm thinking about it, I hope we aren't confusing "techno", the synonym # for electronica, and "techno", a sub-genre of electronica that covers # trance/hardcore/etc. The second is outdated and should not be used for that # meaning anymore. Use "Dance" or "Rave" to describe it. Perhaps you should publish a dictionary of musical classification... It is exactly this sort of pigeon-holeing of music that causes so much confusion and argument... -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: RE: (orbital) Musicologist Date: 25 Aug 1999 14:58:20 +0200 From the Oxford English dictionary:- musicology /=7F/ n.=20 the study of music other than that directed to proficiency in = performance or composition. musicologist n. musicological /=7F=7F=7F/ adj. [French musicologie, or music + -logy] So that's that. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) re: once, twice, apparently 1000 times a boring thread.. Date: 25 Aug 1999 10:52:03 -0400 Matthew J Russell wrote: > 1)where exactly would new order/depeche mode fit in...they were doing danceable stuff well > before the whole techno scene thingy... Not really acid house, though they hit about the same or maybe a little earlier. ?What about New Order? No whistles, but was big house music for a long time in 80's and early 90's. > 2)wouldn't this thread be a little bit better if we went on about how it related to > orbital(i.e....their influences....who/what they've influenced....whether or not they care > what electronica means..etc.) YES!YES! Orbital IS the ONLY topic! They used to be hardcore punkers. > 3)could we stop arguing about "techno" or "electronica"...these words come from peoples' > need to be able to refer to something by a name in order to help other people undersatnd > them.....the word doesn't matter...the image conjured to mind is the important thing here.. ?how about Technica! The all-encompassing word of the future! > 4)whoever it was who said just talking about orbital is slightly boring is sort of > correct...sometimes there just isn't enought about them going on....and also these debates > are interesting......but why do they always devolve into name calling and > "i'm-right-no-i'm-right-shut-up-no-you-shut-up" matches....if they didn't do that...these > would actually be pretty funny arguments... Blasphemy! Heresey! Orbital IS the ONLY topic! ;) > 5)it's always good manners to spell someone's name correctly.... Mattew YOU are SO Right! > 6)flaming is bad....unless the person is doing nothing but insulting people....which hasn't > happened.......yet..... [stupid gett] > 7)why can't orbital visit the u.s. more often?.....i've only had the chance to see them > once...and it was a damn good show.....difficult to dance in narrow seat rows...but it was > worth the 2-day limp... We should all chip in and buy them a winter house! Someplace with a moderate climate, like in Cincinatti so that we would all have the same distance to drive, and we could all come over for a barbeque-reunion! > 8)anyone else suspect backstreet boys and nsync are actually the same five guys? Shuuuuuush!!! The CIA doesn't want anyone to know > 9)you know what's really odd?...i listened to flock of seagulls greatest hits....most of > them aren't that bad I RAN SO FAR AWAAAAAAY! > 10)who did that song "popcorn"?...you know...the one aphex twin covered....i heard it on tv > somewhere...and always wanted to know who did it.... out of the loop > 11)those damn gap commercials.....why do i find myself telling random people i want to > dress the up in my love all over all over? You too? I thought it was just me. Almost got arrested singing this to a SECURITY guard > 12)getting bored yet? YAAAAAAAWN!!!!!!! :o > 13)why is it that whenever a band makes a 3rd album...the critics always attack them?...if > they do a similar album to the 1st two....they get yelled at for doing the same thing over > and over...but if they do someting different...they get yelled at for not staying "true to > form"?........ What are you talking about?! VanHalen's Women & Children was hailed as the best ever! [although my favorite was Diver Down :) Big Bad Bill s sweet william now!] > 14)did you know tongue rings can cause stuttering?....make sure you are on VERY good terms > with the piercer before you try it.... Use Tidy Bowl for really 'stubborn' rings > 15)who started the whole "jeans-that-come-down-to-mid-calf" trend?....it always struck me > that the people look like they can't dress themselves... This is RETRO man! Cool chickys from from the BEAT POET {i.e beatnick} days wore 'em that way inthe late 50's early 60's. COOL cat daddy! > well....that's my little rant/rave......and let's hope that it confuses everyone enough so > that they stop arguing... SHUUUUUT UUUUUP! > peace, love, and a vaguely warm and damp feeling, > matt {such a nice boy ;} Many 'Respects' and 'hayYaz' to all my Big O Bradas an' Seestahs! Tennesee island boy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) PACKing Date: 25 Aug 1999 10:57:02 -0400 Aimee Couture wrote: > let's see.. i've got a teletubbies backpack on the floor here with a > dayplanner, wallet, pack of skittles, pharmacy bill for $110 and change > (damn meds), hair dye rebate coupon and cd player in it.. and a candy > grabber, stuffed kangaroo, stuffed monkey, blue stuffed intel bunny suit > man, stuffed cookie monster and mini cookbook hanging from it.. > hm.. nothing to attack with > sleep time > aimee - moving out in 9 days Aimee! Dont' forget Hell-OOOH Kit-teee! Safe journeys. Send your address for freshman surprise! S+ON+ON+ON # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clerc2@pe.net Subject: (orbital) musicology, noun (not really orbital related) Date: 25 Aug 1999 03:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Apologies to anyone fed up with this thread, but I'm an English major hoping to become a professor, so it really steams me when someone denies the existence of a perfectly good word. So here, taken from the 1989 Edition of Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language, is the definition of musicologist, everyone's favorite recently disputed noun. musicology, n. the scholarly or scientific study of music, as in historical research, musical theory, the physical nature of sound, etc. [music + -o- + -logy] musicologist, n. Although it's not entire entry, instead tacked onto the back of musicology's entry, a musicologist is defined by Webster as one who practises musicology. For an example of it used in mass media, check almost any article having to do with the Chemical Brother's Setting Sun single, when a musicologist was brought in to determine for apple records (the beatles' label) that the single contained absolutely no samples from Tomorrow Never Knows by the Beatles. I seem to remember Rolling Stone using the term often, and not only in that case between the Brothers and the Beatles. If I were mature I'd realize that this attempt is likely to be futile, but I'm not mature, so I'm going to try to at least be polite. Brendan, I think that your assertion that Kraftwerk is "techno" is silly. Like Matt =46ord said, one might as well say that John Cage (experimental piano composer, put lots of metal in his piano before playing, therefore called "prepared piano") is _just_ Industrial music. He compsed by similar methods to Einst=FCrzende Neubauten - using the I Ching - but he has nothing electronic about him, and did most of his stuff in the 1950s. It sounds simialar to Neubauten in many ways, but comes decades before. Is that the same? Another example for anyone familiar with "ambient" as a genre not connected strictly to techno- some people say that Erik Satie started the whole ambient music thing... back in 1916 or so in Paris. He wrote "furniture music" that was supposed to just blend into the background of a room, not really be focused on, just be experienced as part of the ambience of the place in which it was being played. He wrote for piano - should that be considered the same "ambient" genre as Eno's Music for Airports or My life in the bush of ghosts? Or the same as Aphex Twin's Selected Ambient Works volumes one and two, which don't even sound like the same genre between themselves sine number two has almost no beats, and the first has drum machines galore? And for prog-rock fans- should Can or Faust be considered math rock, since both made odd, repetitive songs with guitars and drums? Did Meat Beat Manifesto really start drum and bass/jungle in 1989 with "radio bablyon", or does the genre start in about 1992. The list could go on+on+on. To make it simpler, most people also agree that "techno" involves a few central bits of gear, especially the Roland 808. if not these bits of gear - richard d. james' polygon window project, and rephlex label in general, were started to move beyond these familiar bits of gear - then other electronic instruments are programmed to function similarly. Kraftwerk made music before these instruments were used - in fact, many assert that Kraftwerk's patronage of Roland gave the company the experience needed to make the 808, 303, 909, etc. Kraftwerk doesn't use drum machines like a "techno" band, plain and simple. They even seem to acknowledge this themselves, since they released an album called "The Mix" in the early 1990s which featured remixed versions of their songs to sound like the "techno" genre - beat driven, instead of melody driven like Kraftwerk's music originally was. Music often has similar strands because it's all interwoven, but at the same time it's wise to know where a certain _genre_ emerges, since musical genres, unlike singluar visionary artists such as Kraftwerk, tend to show social factors at work. Take punk rock for an easy example. There have been sloppy garage bands with whiney singers since electric guitars and garages were invented... or at least since Iggy Pop or the Velvet Underground. But it took the social factors in late 1970's Britain to make "punk" congeal into an actual genre. As far as techno goes, Cybotron's "Clear" was released in August, 1983 according to the compilation I have it on, and a lot of people agree that this is the first "techno" song.... "Techno" was a widely used term before "electronica" was popularized by corporate heads around 1997 to sell extremely diverse forms of music made with electronic instruments as a marketable thing to try to revive their plummeting sales, which had started to decline for the first time in years. [That might sound far fetched, but look at old music mags like Rolling Stone and Spin and see how the market was doing after grunge died out and alternative was getting stale.] Yes, "techno" now refers both to the original, slower stuff from Detroit such as Derrick May, Juan Atkins, and Kevin Sauderson (and many lesser known artists) and to much harder things such as from the Clusterfuck label, which belong solely in the "dance"/"rave" notion. But you can't definitively say that one term is outdated - especially when you didn't even know that "musicologist" is an actual word. Please don't take any of this as a _flame_ ... I'm not attacking you as a person, only the way you're presenting your views as the only right ones, when you don't seem to know as much as the other people who are discussing the topic. In similar situations, I tend to keep quiet and not bluster. One last question for everyone, since I won't pretend that I know this for certain - aren't Soca, Ragga, and Dancehall all syncopated permutations of rap? Ryan "When day came, he was again the shy, pale schoolboy stooping with the weight of his books. But one does not have enchanted nights without the days retaining some telltale signs, which are to the soul what circles are to the eyes." - Jean Genet, _Our_Lady_of_the_Flowers_ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Jackson" Subject: (orbital) So drop it... Date: 25 Aug 1999 16:36:36 GMT > 1) THE WHOLE ANDY JACKSON ARGUMENT ------- > > I must reiterate this point, and then I'll drop it. RAP DID NOT INFLUENCE > ELECTRONIC MUSIC. At least not in the beginning. ELECTRONIC CAME FIRST. And > as far as your Jamaica reference; that's not quite the same rap. Now, rap > may have come into the picture later on; I agree. But overall, techno was > first. No. No. No. You are talking about 'electronic music'...we were talking about Techno. Electronic music is older than techno, of course it is...but rap *was* around before Techno music started. Please please PLEASE check your facts. As Jamaican toasting is not rap music, neither is Tone Float or Autobahn Techno music. This isn't opinion - it's there in the history books. : a n d y * j a c k s o n : : l i b r a r i a n : : s c h o o l * o f * n u r s i n g * a n d * m i d w i f e r y : : u n i v e r s i t y * o f * d u n d e e : : d u n d e e * d d 1 * 9 s y : : t e l * 0 1 3 8 2 * 6 3 2 0 1 2 : # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) So drop it... Date: 25 Aug 1999 11:54:27 -0400 Andy Jackson wrote: > > > 1) THE WHOLE ANDY JACKSON ARGUMENT ------- > > > > I must reiterate this point, and then I'll drop it. RAP DID NOT INFLUENCE > > ELECTRONIC MUSIC. At least not in the beginning. ELECTRONIC CAME FIRST. And > > as far as your Jamaica reference; that's not quite the same rap. Now, rap > > may have come into the picture later on; I agree. But overall, techno was > > first. > > No. No. No. You are talking about 'electronic music'...we were > talking about Techno. Electronic music is older than techno, of > course it is...but rap *was* around before Techno music started. > Please please PLEASE check your facts. As Jamaican toasting is not > rap music, neither is Tone Float or Autobahn Techno music. Actually, we were all talking about Electronica music, but everybody got confused when the phrase "techno" was tossed around. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) REVIEW of JV's Austin 99 LIVE Date: 25 Aug 1999 14:07:01 -0400 Just a quick review for ya Orbiters... I got J Van's {address above] Austin99 Orbital LIVE recording the other day and finally dropped it in last night to hear it on headphones. I got to say HELL YES! to this one kids! I could NOT stop listening to this show. Lordy those Texicans are wild! We should all move to Austin! You can tell this was a great show as the crowd is really having fun. Despite the crowd noise on the recording, I think John's recording is EXCELLENT. I don't know if his mics are better, or the venue was better or where he was standing was better, but when the boys begin and the crowd simmers down, JV's bass comes in very clear and not over-bearing on the higher freq's. Both were apparently rec'd on Minidisc players. Austin on a Sharp702 with Sony mics {?right JV}, and Chicago on A SONY minidiscs and unknown bi-aural mics. I'm not a tech on this stuff so please correct any errors on my part. I've listened to Chicago99 [and was there LIVE myself!] and as great as the show was [and it f*king blew my world up] the recording of it [which is VERY VERY GOOD TOO] seems at times {IMHO} a little muddy on some of the bass-ends. It could be sub-woofer echo from the sound at the large Congress. Not sure. Overall Chicago99 has less hoopin' and hollerin' than Austin99, but this WAS actually exciting to me. In fact JV keeps a bit more noise after the end of the finale' Chime and you just know those folks were STOKED! {!I got Goosebumps man!} And for all interested and keeping track of this, I haven't had a real chance to listen to Worcester show yet. My brief exposures to it left the impression that it had a little more crowd than Chicago but maybe a little less than Austin, but that's about all i can say at this post... except all the 3 sets have the same material, with Chicago and Austin breaking the 3 encore songs [Satan, Dr.Who, and Chime] onto the 2nd CD-R and Worcester being roughly equally divided onto 2 discs [according to the art's track list][i've only heard mp3] Well I can say that Cas Falkowski did cover art for Worcester and Chicago and it really adds value to the whole package. ?timmins and Angel, this the same person right? {I'm in the works to add my own touch to Chicago and gotta make something for the Austin discs. And I'll send copies to the booters too!} Write the guys above if you're lookin for some of 99. I've found all 3 to be very open to trading and good to meet. Especially if you have technical questions regarding the FAQs of how they did what they did, please write them and not me. [sorry guys, hope ya don't get bombarded ;O] Get 'em all! ShannON SKaC # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Van" Subject: (orbital) Looking for the man known as Digger Date: 25 Aug 1999 13:41:03 -0500 Sorry to have this spill onto the list - Yo David Mesarch (aka Digger@Jorsm.com), Are you out there, man ? I haven't received your CD-R in our trade while you acknowledged receipt of the Austin show weeks ago. Please give me an e-mail so this can be straightened out. Are you still alive? JV # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hexaphim" Subject: Re: (orbital) Looking for the man known as Digger Date: 25 Aug 1999 21:10:56 +0200 Hey there I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that CD-R... A year and a half ago or so, me and Digger made a deal.. I sent him UK Green and three Satan Live singles, and he was supposed to send me US Green plus Midnight/Choice. I still haven't seen any of them and I've given up on it. This is a warning to everybody on the list, you deal with Digger at your own risk. Hex # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fanno, Jeff" Subject: RE: (orbital) Looking for the man known as Digger Date: 25 Aug 1999 12:14:52 -0700 All, I don't want everyone to put Digger in a bad light. I bought an Orbital T-shirt from him without incident. As you pointed out-let the buyer beware. I had no problems with him, in fact I haven't had any problems with anyone from this list. Which reminds me to say to Reece-if you're still out there- I haven't forgotten about you. I am still working on getting access to a CD-R. It will happen, hopefully soon. Ciao, Jeff Hex wrote: > Hey there > I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that CD-R... > A year and a half ago or so, me and Digger made a deal.. > I sent him UK Green and three Satan Live singles, and he > was supposed to send me US Green plus Midnight/Choice. > I still haven't seen any of them and I've given up on it. > This is a warning to everybody on the list, you deal with > Digger at your own risk. > > Hex > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Van" Subject: Re: (orbital) Looking for the man known as Digger Date: 25 Aug 1999 14:20:59 -0500 >Hey there >I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that CD-R... >A year and a half ago or so, me and Digger made a deal.. >I sent him UK Green and three Satan Live singles, and he >was supposed to send me US Green plus Midnight/Choice. >I still haven't seen any of them and I've given up on it. >This is a warning to everybody on the list, you deal with >Digger at your own risk. Wow, that's f*cking wonderful news..... Note to anyone who wants to set up a trade with me in the future: If you don't have veriable references to give me or if you are e-mailing from an AOL, yahoo, hotmail or other freebie account, YOU SEND YOUR STUFF OFF FIRST. I must have your stuff in my hands before I part with my end of the trade. I am one of the most prompt to send off stuff in a trade and there are several people on this list who will attest to this and back me up as an honest trader. It thoroughly pisses me off to have people out there in the world who think that the anonymity of the Internet gives them free license to steal stuff from honest traders. In my opinion these people should be tied to a chair and f*cked sideways with an ungreased spatula. If this Digger joker is indeed a bad trader he should be booted off this list ASAP and the archives of this mailing list blocked from his IP address. Fuck. JV # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aimee Couture" Subject: Re: (orbital) Fair Warning ; This Is Long Date: 25 Aug 1999 15:41:53 -0400 > 5) AIMEE COUTURE IS A CUTIE !!! ;-P > > Nice pix. yay for me! :) aim=E9e http://shush.com/aimee http://baked.net/orbitalinfo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: RE: (orbital) Looking for the man known as Digger Date: 25 Aug 1999 17:25:31 EDT The same goes for me and Digger. I bought one of his T Shirts without any trouble. As for Reece goes, I also haven't forgoten about you, I'm still trying to figure out a way of getting you quality discs. Get back to me soon man. Reach me on ICQ, if you dare! hehehehe Robert Schultz ICQ# 42322067 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: (orbital) all sorts of things Date: 26 Aug 1999 00:42:01 +0100 At 23:38 24/08/99 -0400, Matthew J Russell wrote: >8)anyone else suspect backstreet boys and nsync are actually the same five guys? I think ALL boy bands are the same people. Either that or they're clones. >13)why is it that whenever a band makes a 3rd album...the critics always attack >them?...if >they do a similar album to the 1st two....they get yelled at for doing the same thing over >and over...but if they do someting different...they get yelled at for not staying "true to >form"?........ because people like to knock successful artists down. And 'cos half the reviewers want more of the same and half want something different, so you'll never please 'em all. At 23:31 24/08/99 -0400, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > >First, Mike & Rich's Expert Knob Twiddlers. >My >favorite is definately the first track, Mr. Frosty. I like the one with the belching on it. At 23:16 24/08/99 -0400, Matthew J Russell wrote: > >i think the guitar is in lush 3-2...but i won't swear to it..... I will. It's just about the last bit left at the end as Impact builds in and all the bits of Lush fall out one at a time. At 09:49 25/08/99 +0100, Ed Blackshaw wrote: >Sorry, haven't heard 'Strings >of Life' either... track it down then, it's one of the greatest tracks EVER made. Shouldn't be too difficult to find - it's on loads of compilations. Jon - "Don't tell me how to live my life and don't ever stop the music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Green Subject: Re: (orbital) Techno and techno and electronica Date: 26 Aug 1999 00:42:21 +0100 At 17:43 24/08/99 -0400, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > >Yes, I'm fine. I think the main problem is everybody else. was that a joke or just arrogance? "It's often hard to tell on mailing lists". Jon p.s. I'm being lighthearted - "Don't tell me how to live my life and don't ever stop the music" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thing181@aol.com Subject: Re: (orbital) REVIEW of JV's Austin 99 LIVE Date: 25 Aug 1999 23:01:50 EDT campbell@scanner.ipl.utmck.edu wrote << Well I can say that Cas Falkowski did cover art for Worcester and Chicago and it really adds value to the whole package. >> Actually, I only designed the Cover Art for the Chicago show (which I also attended). I am glad that everyone enjoys it. -Cas- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: (orbital) Internet (mint condition) for sale! Date: 26 Aug 1999 05:02:31 +0000 Hmm... haywire? astray? out of bounds?... I'm just trying to find words for the path this 'Techno-definition'-thread has taken... But the way i see it Brendan (aka "The Alienator" ) has managed to turn this into yet another of his "categorization-'genrization' -quote-as-many-old-bands-as-you-can" threads.. i bet he's sitting there wirting down all the oh-so-well-sounding new bandnames he reads like a junkie on withdrawal, sorting them nicely afterwards under his brandnew 'pre-techno' label! >:-) Andy Jackson: >> 5) Wibble wibble ptang! ekki! > >Oh, you speak Gibberish! What part of Gibberia are you from? I'm >from the south...just outside of Baloni, in the Klaptrapp Valley. LOL! 8) Really great, laughed my ass of on that one! ;-D Ed Blackshaw: >Sorry, could you enlighten us. When was techno born exactly? If >we're going to get into the kind of 'Techno was born at this precise >time and didn't exist in any form before' discussion, I would like >the exact date, place and time of birth. A birth certificate would >be nice. Hahaha, also VERY good! ;-D Robert Schulz: >Deekay, where are you on this man? I will only join in this Techno >(or fuckin Rave or whatever) War if I am invite, so please, would >someone invite me!? HAHAHAHAHA Hehe, no way in the world i'll actively join this thread, i'll stay out of this, too!.. It gets on my nerves, it's like discussing musical taste, WE JUST WILL NEVER REACH A CONCLUSION!... Juno Jackson: >I love "Blue Illusion" even though it's supposed to be an Orbital >rip-off. Anyone know the guys that REALLY composed it ? Yeah, it IS an Orbital ripoff! 8) If people would finally start to take the internet-resources for a scan if they encounter an orbital track they never heard about (CDDB, CDNOW etc.) we might be finally getting rid of all the misnamed Asylums, Little fluffy clouds (AWESOME Orbital'ish track though i gotta admit!) and Blue Illusions that are floating around the ftps!... Anyway, back to your quesion: It's by Stevie Be Zet... once and for all! 8) >How rare is the "D.S. Building Contractors" material ? Does anyone >have this stuff ? PLEASE MP3 IT IF YOU DO !!!!!!! ULTRA rare from what i know! 8) Other than that, i strongly support your statement! 8) The Merhul: >I have a question. If I want to block 'Brendan-fucko' from my >mail...what do I do. If I block him, will it block all mail from >the orbital mailing list or just him? Thanks. PS The moderator of >this list can jump in now. I mean, seriously, brendan is like >having periods 2 times a month on this mailing list where he HAS to >pick on something. Get a life, and dont tell me to not read your >messages. I am trying to block you! Good idea actually! 8) I think just for him i'll change my rule of "everything gets read"... I've been reading his posts ever since he joined and there was not a single keepworthy one (imho!!) among them, so i guess he deserves 'special treatment'! 8) especially as they're 50% of all the mailtraffic anyway.. if you know how to do it (in pegasus, hehe) lemme know!.. Actually i find it funny that someone else uses the word 'fucko' as i made it up for myself too some year ago and have been using it since! 8) But i think "The Alienator" (see above) or "Mr.Do-Your-Head-In" would be even better! >:-) Brendan: >Let's go promote another name for the sub-catagory and we >won't be confused any more. I can't believe he seriously said that!! >First, Mike & Rich's Expert Knob Twiddlers. If this is the result of >bringing two awesome electronica wizards together to make an album, >I want more! For newbies, Mike Paradinas (of U-Ziq) and Richard >James (of Aphex Twin) in a quirky D&B (I think) album. Hey Brendan (of Sinesweeper)... Aphex Twin and Mu-Ziq are great BANDS< aren't they? >:-) How blatantly obviously can you possibly show us just WHO the newbie (that pretends to know it all while knowing nothing) really is? 8))) >Jesus Christ man! Is everybody so damn easy to bruise that they run >home to Mommy at the first sign of trouble? Oh, I'm sorry. Maybe I >should put on my happy face and starting argeeing with everybody. > >"HI EVERYBODY!!! Let's talk about whistles and candy and fun stuff! >I love you people! I hope nobody has any negative vibes about >anything cuz the bad flames will come and get you!" Oh yeah! 8) can't we stand and face it like the man you are? 8) Oh, what a HUNK! 8) with all his genres and sub-categories he shoots down all the cowboys that dare messing up Sinesweeper City!... And then he jumps on his trusty horse and rides off into the sunset, protecting the world of all the evil people that dare listening to music just because they like it!.. And oh, i forgot, Orbital was a goth band, let's all be depressive and agressive! No signs of happiness please!.. Happy people (like Aimee) are lesser people, right Brendan? Oh well, whatever, enough flaming Brendan for today... Some Orbital related stuff: As i didn't find anyone to travel with me and are also full of work to the max i won't be seeing Orbital on Lowlands, which is a shame... <8_( However, i will try to get my friend who goes there to bootleg it, if he makes it i'll let you all know!... DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rhoppe@lemoncustard.com Subject: (orbital) Some live Kraftwerk MP3s Date: 24 Aug 1999 09:21:34 -0400 THis URL was posted on usenet: http://www.hooked.net/~jonyo/kraftwerk.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Van" Subject: (orbital) Looking for Digger@Jorsm@com Date: 24 Aug 1999 12:54:25 -0500 anybody set up a trade with this cat David Mesarch (Digger) recently ? I sent him the Austin show about a month ago and haven't gotten anything back from him. Is this guy an ill trader? J # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Aronne James Merrelli Subject: (orbital) later, people. Date: 24 Aug 1999 16:43:50 -0400 (EDT) since this list has become a lot less interesting, and since I will be moving in the near future and E-mail will be a bit sporadic for awhile, I'm going to unsub. If anyone feels like talking about music & trades & etc. feel free to drop me an e-mail. Its been fun, (most of the time :) ) Aronne # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nub Subject: (orbital) i'm right, you're wrong, blahblahblah Date: 24 Aug 1999 17:15:45 -0600 (MDT) jeezus h, this list is getting downright bitchy. unable to resist an all-out bitchfest, i herby submit my contribution: i think most of us who have been around a while know who the ones are that actually know what they are talking about. i'm getting sick of the rest trying to impress us all with obscure references about such and such a person that was "obviously" the forerunner of such and such a whatever. just because something sounds like something else doesn't mean anything about the history or evolution. now, at the risk of pissing EVERYONE off, i'm going to point out that we are living in a postmodern society in which everything contributes to and influences everything else in a vast web of cause and effect and interlocked meanings and interpretations. this renders much of music categorization pointless, but certain other styles, with names like jungle/house/goa are actually useful to djs and music-buyers as a way to organize the kind of stuff that they like to hear. in my opinion, we devalue the music to an extent when we go so far as to FORCE certain acts into categories, when either their origin or sound do not warrant such an outright labelling. yet another point: "techno" is not "electronica." the former originally applied to a certain kind of music from a certain american city that i don't think needs to be named. soon after it was extended to encompass similar styles created by musicians the world over, most notably in europe but also in nyc, etc. still later it was appropriated by music critics and finally the general populace to refer to the entire gamut of electronic music. the latter word was grieviously created by record execs and critics in the early 90s to push what was then called "techno" into a more commercial realm. it is a terrible, jargon-y, bullshit word that should be eliminated from the modern vocabulary, by god. the above paragraph, by the way, is in no way meant to represent an "opinion" of electronic music history. it is simply the information i have garnered over the past 4 years or so of belonging to this mailing list. i admittedly know very little other than what i just stated, and there are almost certainly vast gaps and oversights in my summation. for these i apologize. corrections and specifics are always welcomed, if contributed in a straightforward and inoffensive manner. random inflammatory bickering about what you might think about this information is highly UNWELCOMED, and will be ignored. musicologist is a word. so is musicology. good lord, people. orbital are an electronic music band. unless of course you take into account that they sometimes use guitars and horns and stuff. so i guess now we have to call them pre-millenial quasi-ambient techno post-funk prog house-rock. or something. i have never seen orbital live. as much as i love them and would cold-bloodedly kill many lesser mortals for the opportunity to see them, i keep ending up in places like denver, where the closest they come is an 11 hour drive or uber-expensive plane ticket away. i just cannot justify such time/money expenditures on my grad student budget. peace, love and hot sex, nub # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick McGinn" Subject: Re: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly, I wish this was a MB so this subjectline had a better meaning Date: 24 Aug 1999 21:08:48 -0400 > Hmmm...not at dictionary.com. Of course, "electronica" isn't in there either, > so I question the wordbase at the site. Not at m-w.com either. Damn, these > online dictionaries suck. Anybody know of a good one? >From m-w.com "Main Entry: mu·si·col·o·gy Pronunciation: "myü-zi-'kä-l&-jE Function: noun Etymology: Italian musicologia, from Latin musica music + -logia -logy : the study of music as a branch of knowledge or field of research as distinct from composition or performance - mu·si·co·log·i·cal /-k&-'lä-ji-k&l/ adjective - mu·si·col·o·gist /-'kä-l&-jist/ noun " ^^^ There it is. > > Hahah...my friend you ARE delusional. > > So, John Cage is Techno now? > > Who is John Cage? And why am I delusional? According to Cage, all sound is music. According to Brendan, all music is Techno. (Aha, just kidding, a little swipe at you.) > See, this is stuff that pisses me off. A completely non-productive answer to a > perfectly logical and sound question. Either answer the question correctly or > don't answer it at all. What did I say about just pissing people off? > > What the fuck is your deal? When did I say I was an expert? Youre the one who thinks he > > knows alot but knows next to nothing but a few names he learned along the way. > > Why would I reading the book if I was an expert? And again? > You seemed to have a holier-than-thou attitude with "even I learned something". > No, I'm not going to let a comment like that slide by, because anytime I imply > techno expertise, I get flamed by fucks like you. So, none of you now are going > to imply it. > > No, I don't know everything, but I'm not a fucking idiot either. One more time. And really, Matt wasn't flaming you. I took his remark as self-depreciating and sarcastic. Maybe he forgot the smiley face. Maybe he hoped it wasn't necessary. Xaos 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110 np: Charles Mingus - Blues & Roots # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: (orbital) Ear bitten, twice fly, I wish this was a MB so this Date: 24 Aug 1999 19:01:35 -0700 > Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > > > Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: > > > > > > > While I'm thinking about it, I hope we aren't confusing "techno", the > > > > synonym for electronica, and "techno", a sub-genre of electronica that > > > > covers trance/hardcore/etc. The second is outdated and should not be used > > > > for that meaning anymore. Use "Dance" or "Rave" to describe it. > > > > > > HAHAHHAHAHA....once again with the backwards thinking? Calling techno music > > > "dance and rave" music? what the fuck is that? > > > You must work for Billboard or DMA or something > > > > (See, Aronne. -That's- skimming!) > > > > Maybe you should re-read the goddamn statement. I wasn't calling "electronica" > > "dance and rave". I was calling what used to be called "techno" to be "dance" > > or "rave". You know, the type of electronica that has that droning bass beat, > > thud, thud, thud, thud. You hear it all the time at raves. What the hell's > > wrong with calling that sub-genre "dance" or "rave"? It's better than calling > > it "techno" and getting everybody confused. I hate the Electronica Primer's > > usage of the word for that reason. Like many words in the English language, it > > has a newer meaning that confuses the first. > > > > Do you have a better name? > > I read the statement correctly, which is why i responded to it the way I did. > USED to be called techno...when did techno stopped being called techno? Other people starting lumping other > subgenres in with it, but no one ever stopped calling it techno. > > .matthewford. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Belbin" Subject: (orbital) why do we bother? Date: 25 Aug 1999 10:36:42 BST One quick piece of mindless trivia, and one question. Trivia: when Bob Dylan first aired his electric band at the Newport (?) Folk Festival in 1965, he was heckled with a cry of "Bob Dylan aint ethnomusicologist", a cry which (apparently) met with much approval. Not up to the 'Judas' taunt maybe, but... The question: why should I bother carrying on with this list when I spend most of my time looking for where fucking Brendan's (however you spell his name, I don't give a shit) posts aren't. It's not a question of being able to simply skip them (I get the digest list)as they pop up and are replied to/quoted by people with something interesting to say. This fuckwits points are all, and I do mean ALL, idiotic, mis-informed, egotistical bollocks, that add nothing to anyone else's enjoyment or knowledge. I'm bored shitless of it, and can't be arsed anymore. Unless someone else can give me good reason not to. Two other (semi-)related points. My spell-checker (which has no problem with ethnomusicologist, btw) gives 'slipperier' 'stonewaller' and 'shit wiper' as alternatives to 'sineswiper'. And is it possible to work out how many people have unsubscribed since bb started his rantings? belbin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fanno, Jeff" Subject: (orbital) Amp Date: 25 Aug 1999 14:23:36 -0700 I don't know how accurate this is or will be, but Amp on Mtv this coming Sunday (8/29, technically Monday 8/30 in case Brendan is reading this) will be airing Halcyon and Style (finallly) from our favorite band. You can view the rest of the playlist by clicking here: http://www.mtv.com/nav/intro_shows.html and clicking on 'Amp' and then 'this weeks playlist'. As they say, check your local listings for time and channel. njoy, Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fanno, Jeff" Subject: (orbital) Amp Date: 25 Aug 1999 14:55:11 -0700 > I don't know how accurate this is or will be, but Amp on Mtv this coming > Sunday (8/29, technically Monday 8/30 in case Brendan is reading this) > will be airing Halcyon and Style (finallly) from our favorite band. You > can view the rest of the playlist by clicking here: > http://www.mtv.com/nav/intro_shows.html > and clicking on 'Amp' and then 'this weeks playlist'. As they say, check > your local listings for time and channel. > > njoy, > Jeff > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: Re: (orbital) REVIEW of JV's Austin 99 LIVE Date: 26 Aug 1999 09:58:37 -0700 I redid your cover art and spread it around a bit and it appears that its already in circulation... Hope you don't mind.. i used your front cover (wonder if you have higher quality pics) and added side tabs to the back pic you displaced and erased the text and put a new text layer. dumped the inside cover in place of the twin to the worcester show. but all in all not bad.. You front cover=good. Seems like you got kinda lazy on the back. *nothing personal*, i get that way too. The background was a great start/idea with the binary code. I will be doing the Austin, TX art when i get my hands on the show... Jim, did you get than san fran from me? quality=boo. But clockwork orange intro is kickass quality! if anyone wants it lmk at least 1 track will survive from that show :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thing181@aol.com Subject: (orbital) Live in Chicago '99 CD Artwork Date: 26 Aug 1999 15:05:37 EDT Hello Firstly, to answer Shannon's question, I am a guy. I really have no connection to Randy. Secondly, I am more or less "Fallen Angle Production" (Just a nice catchy name that I slap on my art work to confuse the public). I did the Chicago Live artwork for a chap down in Chicago named Dan LeBoeuf (timmins@thebutt.com). To my understanding he was the one distributing this CD. I have seen a few on e-bay from different people going for quite high prices (and slightly different artwork). So, to make a long story shorter, I am not really sure if Dan got my final revised artwork before distributing the CDs. It actually looks as if he used the .jpgs that I put up on my web site for previewing. So since this is bootlegging (and I am not seeing a dime from this either way), I am offering the original updated "high resolution" cover art for download off my site for anyone who wants to reprint it for their own copy. It is a bout a 2 meg .zip file which contains the artwork in .tiff and the sidetabs and CD format in .ai (Adobe Illustrator). Just go to http://www.execpc.com/~row117/orbital.htm and click on the download link. There are instruction on how to align the .tiff in Adobe Illustrator in order for them to be printed perfectly at a nice 300 dpi or higher resolution. Hey, it is going to sell for $50 on e-bay, the cover art might as well look sharp. Any questions, please feel free to contact me personally. -Cas- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fanno, Jeff" Subject: RE: (orbital) Amp Date: 26 Aug 1999 12:10:21 -0700 I guess I messed that episode. Mtv is sooo erratic with showing 120 minutes and amp that I tend to miss a lot of those shows. I mean do we really need marathons of The Real World-yuchh. Thanks for the update. Is the live set only audio? There's no video floating around of Orbital, aside from Live Experience is there? Jeff > Why finally? MTV showed style 2 weeks ago as well as before that... > Also, as Ive mentioned before, theres and Orbital Live Set at amp.mtv.com > !!! > > .matthewford. > > "Fanno, Jeff" wrote: > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Van" Subject: Re: (orbital) Live in Chicago '99 CD Artwork Date: 26 Aug 1999 14:18:21 -0500 >Hey, it is going to sell for $50 on e-bay, the cover art might as well look >sharp. To anyone who has an E-bay account you can e-mail E-Bay and tell them to yank these auctions as they are illegal material . Steve Price or anyone else with a direct line to the Hartnolls just let the band know and they'll notify E-bay about this. If shit like this continues we might see Orbital change their tolerant policy totally towards people taping and trading their shows. In this day and age any idiot armed with a cd burner and a color printer can go and make unlimited copies of a show, run off artwork and go to town on E-bay. C'mon people let's try to have a little more respect for the band and their work. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) Live in Chicago '99 CD Artwork Date: 26 Aug 1999 14:22:24 -0500 >I did the Chicago Live artwork for a chap down in Chicago named Dan LeBoeuf >(timmins@thebutt.com). To my understanding he was the one distributing this >CD. I have seen a few on e-bay from different people going for quite high >prices (and slightly different artwork). So you didnt do this for him? He told me the hold up was because he was waiting on the artwork from you!!! Well, at least I got it. If I had the time or the money for the CD's, I would start burning copies for people just for spite.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Sawaya Subject: Re: (orbital) Live in Chicago '99 CD Artwork Date: 26 Aug 1999 14:42:12 -0500 > Secondly, I am more or less "Fallen Angle Production" > (Just a nice catchy name that I slap on my art work to confuse the public). Fallen Angle or Angel? Lol! If that's an accident, I hope you didn't put it like that on the artwork. Speaking of the cover, is there any way I could see the thing. I've been off the list for a week moving into college, so I lost the conversation. As far as I could tell, people were still arguing with Branden about classifications. Looks like I haven't missed much = ). Well, good to be back on. -Marc Sawaya, back from the dead # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Thompson Subject: (orbital) A BIG NEW IDEA Date: 26 Aug 1999 15:35:29 -0500 Hey All, I've got a few ideas that this list WILL benefit from...since I've been on for awhile (with a short break due to a CPU crash)....I'd like to see the list get back to it's normal self. So, PLEASE take a minute to look this over and tell me what you think: 1) When reviewing or talking about any artists work, instead of bashing it, let's make sure we just give an honest and fair assessment of the work. If you don't think you can give an honest opinion...then don't post. Also, make sure to use things like IMO (in my opinion) when reviewing anything. This way people will know you're just giving an opinion on the aritst. 2) DO NOT post anything unless you have a strong background on the subject. Most of these damn arguments come about because someone thinks they know more than someone else....hey...instead....let's just share ideas....and make sure that if you post something you're not too sure about that you make it known in the post that you're unsure....that way someone can come along and help. 3) Finally, THINK BEFORE YOU POST. I don't want to see any of this flaming shit anymore. If the post is against someone....do us all a favor and send it PRIVATELY...otherwise don't send it at all....this will free up the list for some intelligent discussion and information...... Thanks for listening.....feel free to comment or add anything you think might help....... --Don Thompson -- Don Thompson, Don78@prodigy.net on 08/26/1999 at 3:29:33 PM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) A BIG NEW IDEA Date: 26 Aug 1999 16:52:45 EDT AMEN I SAY TO YOU! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Ford Subject: Re: (orbital) Amp Date: 26 Aug 1999 13:55:35 -0700 HAHAHAHA. Dont I know it. Yeah, the live set is only audio...and of course Dr Who is missing :( other than whats showed on canada music television and british television (festival stuff), not that I know of. .matthewford. "Fanno, Jeff" wrote: > I guess I messed that episode. Mtv is sooo erratic with showing 120 minutes > and amp that I tend to miss a lot of those shows. I mean do we really need > marathons of The Real World-yuchh. > > Thanks for the update. Is the live set only audio? There's no video > floating around of Orbital, aside from Live Experience is there? > > Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: Re: (orbital) Internet (mint condition) for sale! Date: 26 Aug 1999 20:46:14 +0100 At 05:02 26.8.1999 +0000, deekay@mail.dfu.de wrote: a bunch of stuff. deekay, you r0q ;) >Andy Jackson: >>> 5) Wibble wibble ptang! ekki! >>Oh, you speak Gibberish! What part of Gibberia are you from? I'm >>from the south...just outside of Baloni, in the Klaptrapp Valley. >LOL! 8) Really great, laughed my ass of on that one! ;-D after all the madness here, I did too. take my advice kids, don't try to catch up with 4-6 high volume mailing lists after a week... going through 293849023842384 postings in one go WILL drive you nuts ;) (in the infamous words of a certain Jay on the dirty-list: "for fucks sake". incidentally, he got kicked out of the list after repeating that statement quite a few times within 2 days ;) >Ed Blackshaw: >>I would like the exact date, place and time of birth. >>A birth certificate would be nice. that comment cracked me up real good. wonder what my grandparents thought while I was reading through all the nonsense here =) >Robert Schulz: >>Deekay, where are you on this man? I will only join in this Techno >>(or fuckin Rave or whatever) War if I am invite, so please, would >>someone invite me!? HAHAHAHAHA j00 m0z7 h@v3 m@d h@x0r 5k1llZ 2 B 1nV173d! ;) >Hehe, no way in the world i'll actively join this thread, i'll stay >out of this, too!.. It gets on my nerves, it's like discussing >musical taste, WE JUST WILL NEVER REACH A CONCLUSION!... of coz we will. I know I'm right and you're wrong... ;) >Brendan: >>Let's go promote another name for the sub-catagory and we >>won't be confused any more. >I can't believe he seriously said that!! neither could I. make another name. sure... and use it around, sure... and do you seriously think THAT will lessen the confusion??? I don't. >>For newbies, Mike Paradinas (of U-Ziq) and Richard >>James (of Aphex Twin) in a quirky D&B (I think) album. >Hey Brendan (of Sinesweeper)... Aphex Twin and Mu-Ziq are great >BANDS< aren't they? >:-) How blatantly obviously can you >possibly show us just WHO the newbie (that pretends to know it >all while knowing nothing) really is? 8))) funny thing is, before Brendan arrived here, I was always thought that this was a friendly nice list where we discussed everything between Orbital and the sky. and space and beyond. but mostly just about this broad waste range of musical genre which some people just simply call "techno". uh oh. there's that word again... but the main point is, it used to be a friendly nice list. I think we can use a new calendar reference now, OBB, Orbital-list Before Brendan. then someone shouted SATAN SATAN SATAN (sorry, couldn't resist ;) and Brendan popped up and started throwing confusion and arrogance around and wasted everybodies time and bandwidth with useless banter about nothing (oh and how much he seems to be THE man). Brendan, don't get me wrong. I'm not really trying to flame you here, just using my particular brand of sarcasm and wit (or lack of it) to waste more bandwidth on this list ;) but really, could you please reach out for that knob at the back of your head labelled "Arrogance" and turn it down a bit? to like... 3-4 instead of the 8-10 it seems to be rocking on? Nobody likes a smartass... now can we all get back to business and get the good times rolling again? ya know, laid back talk about music & orbital & life and just enjoying each others company like grown up people, and get rid of this talking down to people and arrogance and bullshit? enough already... to quote Jay again: "for fucks sake" ;) >Oh yeah! 8) can't we stand and face it like the man you are? 8) Oh, >what a HUNK! 8) with all his genres and sub-categories he shoots down >all the cowboys that dare messing up Sinesweeper City!... And then he >jumps on his trusty horse and rides off into the sunset, protecting >the world of all the evil people that dare listening to music just >because they like it!.. AHeaHEAHHaheAHehAEHahEHAehAHHAEHaEHA deekay, you are 'the' man ;) I'm still laughing my ass off 8) >Oh well, whatever, enough flaming Brendan for today... indeed... free chill pills for all today! just get down and groove! (now if my #$%("$%( amp would stop crapping out the bass on the right channel so EVERYTHING sounds madly distorted :( damn old piece of junk :P (and for those who proclaim ignorance and that sarcasm is so hard to 'get' on internet, there are many ways of doing it. like putting some kinda statement into your sentence/mail/page/text which makes sure that people might get the clue that This Should Not Be Taken Seriously At All People. that's why I love smileys. sure, people can misunderstand smileys, but still, most people seem to understand the difference between a :) and a ;) within the context of the text in question... that was my $20 for now (inflation ;) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net feed me music (beware the sheep) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: Re: (orbital) !!!!Hippys and synths!!!! Date: 26 Aug 1999 21:07:30 +0100 At 14:29 24.8.1999 -0400, Shannon K. Campbell wrote: >?Have you ever really like dsome movie or some music only to find out >later that the guy who made it is a real jerk? it sucks when that happens, don't ya think? ;) >Nobody has EVEN said the Eno word !!! >I thought Tangerine Dream was the great grand-pappy of Orbital. >This IS my main reference to older[30+] newbies who ask me and nobody... Nobody! has even mentioned the father of "Popcorn", Gershon Kingsley. that's where I fell in love with electronic music, only 2 years old or so :) (and drove my family NUTS when I played the 7" to death... sniff I miss that 7" ;) happy cheesy poppy track that you can dance and bop to, and dig those groovy synth sounds ,) (useless info (c) 199999999999 where time becomes a loop) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net feed me music (beware the sheep) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: Re: (orbital) re: once, twice, apparently 1000 times a boring Date: 26 Aug 1999 21:03:56 +0100 At 23:38 24.8.1999 -0400, Matthew J Russell wrote: >1)where exactly would new order/depeche mode fit in...they were doing danceable stuff well >before the whole techno scene thingy... new wave. synthpop. whatever... or just simply "good" music ;) >2)wouldn't this thread be a little bit better if we went on about how it related to >orbital(i.e....their influences....who/what they've influenced....whether or not they care >what electronica means..etc.) naaww... that could be a constructive and fun thread, and you know those words will get you a kill -9 right away! >3)could we stop arguing about "techno" or "electronica"...these words come from peoples' >need to be able to refer to something by a name in order to help other people undersatnd >them.....the word doesn't matter...the image conjured to mind is the important thing here.. now that's a nice little smart take on the whole matter. nice one :D >4)whoever it was who said just talking about orbital is slightly boring is sort of >correct...sometimes there just isn't enought about them going on....and also these debates >are interesting......but why do they always devolve into name calling and >"i'm-right-no-i'm-right-shut-up-no-you-shut-up" matches....if they didn't do that...these >would actually be pretty funny arguments... Fun is Evil! Boredom is God! (and blah blah blah... funny arguements are the holy grail. you want them, but they evade you unlike the plague ;) >7)why can't orbital visit the u.s. more often?.....i've only had the chance to see them >once...and it was a damn good show.....difficult to dance in narrow seat rows...but it was >worth the 2-day limp... and why won't more acts visit Iceland? ;) heh just kidding... ;) but we know how to party hard over here (after a bottle or two :P >8)anyone else suspect backstreet boys and nsync are actually the same five guys? government clone experiment escapees. really its' the truth! I tell ya! I heard it on the internet! and it always tells the truth! ;) >10)who did that song "popcorn"?...you know...the one aphex twin covered....i heard it on tv >somewhere...and always wanted to know who did it.... this is the one and only ultimate Holy Friggin Grail site, anything you might possibly remotely have wondered about and heck, stuff you probably didn't think about, but is directly Popcorn related anyways, along with squillions of remakes in mod/xm/s3m/it/mid/sid/mp3/holygizmo formats, and other versions, including orchestral (!!!) and whatever else you could or couldn't think up about Popcorn the song. oh, and information about who originally made the song too ;) http://www.cam.org/~lafranc/popcorn.html ahhhh.... popcorn... how much I love that track still today... >12)getting bored yet? no. my summer holidays are finally (FINALLY!) over and I've started working again. bliss..... 5 weeks of holidays, no work, no obligations, nothing to do, nowhere to go, no MONEY to spend, no friends to kill time with (apart from the evenings, damn those working bastids ;) ... watching grass grow will start to look like an attractive way of passing time... ;) peace, love & cool milkshake with strawberries, blueberries and banana mixed in... ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net feed me music (beware the sheep) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: Re: (orbital) i'm right, you're wrong, blahblahblah Date: 26 Aug 1999 20:23:35 +0100 At 17:15 24.8.1999 -0600, Nub wrote: >jeezus h, this list is getting downright bitchy. indeed. we all need to chill out and listen to some "good" music. what "good" music is, is a matter of each persons individual taste, and may not fit into another persons definition of "good" music. can we bury the hatchet now please? :) >unable to resist an all-out bitchfest, i herby submit my contribution: > >i think most of us who have been around a while know who the ones are that >actually know what they are talking about. i'm getting sick of the rest >trying to impress us all with obscure references about such and such a >person that was "obviously" the forerunner of such and such a whatever. there is no such thing as "absolute knowledge". you can't possibly know it all. but you can always learn more. read.listen.digest.discuss.think.share.learn.get on with life, don't get stuck up. >just because something sounds like something else doesn't mean anything >about the history or evolution. now, at the risk of pissing EVERYONE off, [cut] amen to that. >yet another point: > >"techno" is not "electronica." [cut] (IMHO) I was always under the impression that people (well, some at least :) used the word "electronica" to refer to the styles like ambient & such, experimental electronic music, and stuff which didn't fit under the "techno" umbrella of "dance" music. then again, I could be wrong. languages can be confusing sometimes ya know :) ultimately, our understanding of words and phrases are based on our own knowledge & understanding, and may not necessarily be the same as the next persons definition. in the shops here on iceland, they usually categorize music into classic, pop, rock, rap, icelandic & techno. sometimes they might have some further smaller sections, like western and other stuff, but broad generalization is a little bit finicky sometimes, then again, after this heated arguement about "techno", we know how that goes ;) >orbital are an electronic music band. unless of course you take into >account that they sometimes use guitars and horns and stuff. so i guess >now we have to call them pre-millenial quasi-ambient techno post-funk prog >house-rock. or something. heh, that was funny ;) I sorta like this simple categorization: good music & bad music. and IMHO, Orbital is Good music :) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net feed me music (beware the sheep) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: Re: (orbital) Fair Warning ; This Is Long Date: 26 Aug 1999 19:01:30 +0100 At 01:11 25.8.1999 PDT, Juno Jackson wrote: >2) THE WHOLE KRAFTWERK LEGACY ------- >because of Ralf and Florian's strict guidelines for perfection; >they think all of their stuff before "Autobahn" sounds like shit. It is >rumored that they once spent 30 hours recording a kick drum during the >Techno Pop sessions because they wanted to get the rhythm so perfect. gee, only 30 hours? I've heard worse ;) a certain finnish guy (Captain to the trax sceners out there :) aparently is really bad about his perfectionism. a friend of his that I used to talk to a lot some years back told me he usually spent a week or more on a single SAMPLE fine tuning/sampling/etcetcetc it untill he was happy about it, before moving on to next sounds. and that he'd spend ages on each track making sure it was 24239030% perfectly ok... now that's nuts =) (but damn, he did release some nice trax, and that cd I got with his first band (?) ain't bad either) >6) BRENDAN ------ >Well, I think that the name "Fucko" is a bit harsh. Even if he does like to >start shit, at least I'm not the only Gong fan on this list anymore ! I bought "You Remixed Gong - phase 1 & 2" on a sale last week... sweet jesus, this is FRIGGIN NICE stuff! but at the same time, had a deja-vu; part of Youth's track I'm sure I've heard somewhere before... maybe on some System 7 track? and the System 7 track, I'm perfectly sure I've heard that one before by S7 under some other name. am I right? I havn't gone through my S7 cds yet (always end up listening to something else, like all my Autechre cds in random order ;) but I SWEAR I've head that track before by different name. or I'm getting senile and I have it on mp3 somewhere and forgot about it... anyways, I liked this cd. how does Phase 3 measure up to phase 1&2, and what is all the Gong stuff like, the originals and the spin offs? :) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net feed me music (beware the sheep) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) Live in Chicago '99 CD Artwork Date: 26 Aug 1999 15:34:41 -0400 Thing181@aol.com wrote: > > Hello > > Firstly, to answer Shannon's question, I am a guy. I really have no > connection to Randy. Secondly, I am more or less "Fallen Angle Production" > (Just a nice catchy name that I slap on my art work to confuse the public). Sorry about that!!! I get it all the time too. {i'm male too if anybody gives a shit} Randy must have been making a joke. D'OOOHHH!!! > Just go to http://www.execpc.com/~row117/orbital.htm and click on the > download link. There are instruction on how to align the .tiff in Adobe > Illustrator in order for them to be printed perfectly at a nice 300 dpi or > higher resolution. > > Hey, it is going to sell for $50 on e-bay, the cover art might as well look > sharp. Any questions, please feel free to contact me personally. > > -Cas- Thanks for the nice ones! Shannon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) illegal material Date: 26 Aug 1999 15:52:18 -0400 > To anyone who has an E-bay account you can e-mail E-Bay > and tell them to yank these auctions as they are illegal > material . Steve Price or anyone else with a direct > line to the Hartnolls just let the band know and they'll notify > E-bay about this. If shit like this continues we might see Orbital > change their tolerant policy totally towards people taping and trading > their shows. > In this day and age any idiot armed with a cd burner and a color > printer can go and make unlimited copies of a show, run off > artwork and go to town on E-bay. C'mon people let's try to > have a little more respect for the band and their work. Hell Yes! It's up to ALL of us to put pressure on greedy idiots. Afterall, who are they hurting BESIDES the band? They're trying to rip-off US! ALL of US! We who dig the stuff and want to own and trade it. I tried to pin the EBay guy down personally and he was totally clueless that this material was homemade. He said he got the at a show [a RAVE i guess] in CANADA! and that made them "Imports" and that they were even aluminum pressed! John pointed out to me that they could also just be silver CD-Rs. But the whole thing sux. He seemed genuine in his confusion and I apologized for accusing him of maliciously trying to pull this shit, but I pointed out to the guy that selling a US bootleg in the US is NOT an Import and that further Niether that disc od the Worcester disc were OFFICIAL Orbital merchandice and should NOT be advertised on EBay as if they were. P&P have been really cool about everyone getting along. But if this kind of crap continues, they may have no sayso in stopping it 'cause it willl be the lawyers at FFRR who are gonna come ruin the nice party. Corporates don't fuk around with this shit. They're like the mafia and have to make a reputation for enforcement. Be vigilant and DO something about it if you can! I'll shut up already! Shannon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Funkenstein" Subject: Re: (orbital) A BIG NEW IDEA Date: 26 Aug 1999 18:28:20 -0400 >2) DO NOT post anything unless you have a strong background on the subject. Well, that's a great idea, but in who's judgement is that? I think that some members of this list have proven themselves QUITE unable to judge their expertise on certain subjects. >3) Finally, THINK BEFORE YOU POST. I don't want to see any of this flaming >shit anymore. If the post is against someone....do us all a favor and send it >PRIVATELY...otherwise don't send it at all....this will free up the list for >some intelligent discussion and information...... Well, that would be a good idea, but last time the big flame/debate thing ended the list was nearly silent. Maybe instead of crying about "stop the flames, stop the flames" some of you people complaining should try to steer the list on to a more productive topic. People want to discuss stuff...that's why they're here. If a silly debate is all there is...that's what they'll get involved in. funkenstein@mail.rit.edu - http://www.rit.edu/~dco2393 It's wild how you never know where your life could go So many try to slow your roll in these trails of life -Mystik Journeymen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brandon Invergo Subject: Re: (orbital) Internet (mint condition) for sale! Date: 26 Aug 1999 15:37:57 -0700 (PDT) >but really, could you > please reach out > for that knob at the back of your head labelled > "Arrogance" and turn it > down a bit? to like... 3-4 instead of the 8-10 it > seems to be rocking on? > Nobody likes a smartass... "but ours go to 11..." sorry, i couldn't resist throwing that in. if you don't get it, then you aren't cool and can't sit by me in the cafeteria during lunch :P brandon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) A few replies... Date: 26 Aug 1999 21:24:24 -0400 Agust 'nemesis1' wrote: > > I bought "You Remixed Gong - phase 1 & 2" on a sale last week... > sweet jesus, this is FRIGGIN NICE stuff! but at the same time, had a deja-vu; > part of Youth's track I'm sure I've heard somewhere before... maybe on some > System 7 track? and the System 7 track, I'm perfectly sure I've heard that one > before by S7 under some other name. am I right? I havn't gone through my S7 > cds yet (always end up listening to something else, like all my Autechre cds > in random order ;) but I SWEAR I've head that track before by different name. > or I'm getting senile and I have it on mp3 somewhere and forgot about it... > anyways, I liked this cd. how does Phase 3 measure up to phase 1&2, and what > is all the Gong stuff like, the originals and the spin offs? :) Check Squarepusher's Dimotane Co (off of Feed Me Weird Things). I think the first song ripped the main sample from that. Ahh well. It's a good sample to rip. For good Gong stuff, check Gong's You. (Get it? "You Remixed Gong"?) > (and for those who proclaim ignorance and that sarcasm is so hard to > 'get' on internet, there are many ways of doing it. like putting some > kinda statement into your sentence/mail/page/text which makes sure that > people might get the clue that This Should Not Be Taken Seriously At > All People. that's why I love smileys. sure, people can misunderstand > smileys, but still, most people seem to understand the difference > between a :) and a ;) within the context of the text in question... I have seen many a fight start because somebody forgot to insert two characters. So, for fuck's sake, please remember your smileys! "Shannon K. Campbell" wrote: > > Sorry about that!!! > I get it all the time too. {i'm male too if anybody gives a shit} Really?? No offense, but I'm sorry about your name. I was under the impression that you were female. > But the whole thing sux. He seemed genuine in his confusion > and I apologized for accusing him of maliciously trying to > pull this shit, but I pointed out to the guy that selling a > US bootleg in the US is NOT an Import and that further Niether > that disc od the Worcester disc were OFFICIAL Orbital merchandice > and should NOT be advertised on EBay as if they were. > > P&P have been really cool about everyone getting along. > But if this kind of crap continues, they may have no sayso > in stopping it 'cause it willl be the lawyers at FFRR who are > gonna come ruin the nice party. > Corporates don't fuk around with this shit. > They're like the mafia and have to make a reputation > for enforcement. Well, the way I see it, any live concert should be freely available. Maybe it's my open-source spirit, but hey...it works for Pearl Jam. However, fraud is another issue. Selling shit and calling it an import is BS and it ain't cool. No CD, import or otherwise, should be fifty fucking dollars! "Dr. Funkenstein" wrote: > > Well, that would be a good idea, but last time the big flame/debate thing > ended the list was nearly silent. Maybe instead of crying about "stop the > flames, stop the flames" some of you people complaining should try to steer > the list on to a more productive topic. People want to discuss > stuff...that's why they're here. If a silly debate is all there > is...that's what they'll get involved in. I argee. I can count about 20-30 posts about bitching on flames/arguments/me, instead of more productive shit. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ihastarla@aol.com Subject: (orbital) im back * aol * amp Date: 27 Aug 1999 03:29:19 EDT first i must say... the show in philly was incredible... ive seen orbital before, but this was amazing.... the crowd was so into it... and now i wonder where all those orbital fans came from and disappeared to well, i havent been on this mailing list for ages... 2 years probably and all i have to say is, damn, people got hostile since then i totally agree with that if you are going to bitch at someone, send it to them dont show off your cleverness to everyone... to whomever said that aol is a free address.... nope, i pay 20 bucks a month but yea, i would be shady of aol people... theyre a weird bunch as for amp.... i have mixed feelings on that show.... i love that i can see some of my favorite songs in video form but the fact that a. its not on every week b. sometimes its pushed back to 3am without warning is not right.... i like to tape it just so i can have the one or two songs i like on video and it is not right for me to wait till 3 am and find out its not on.... oh.... and what was with the last 2 amps anyway??? how much is astralwerks paying mtv... or at least the chemical brothers... if you are going to show songs live... why not show more of a variety than the chemical brothers and fatboy slim and did anyone else think last weeks amp starting off with a thank you to astralwerks and 3 chemical brothers videos was a little bit excessive? least they could have done was show the setting sun video if they were gonna show the others.... it seemed like last weeks show was the top 10 'electronica' artists that mtv jocks show.... variety is the spice of life and mtv drains way too much life outta me..... even one hour a week well... thats my rant :) stArLa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gargin, Philip (Frankfurt)" Subject: RE: (orbital) The Saint live Date: 27 Aug 1999 14:16:51 +0200 Has anyone seen Orbital play this live? I saw them do it at Tribal Gathering in 1997 or was it 98 - whenever it was they were there and played just after Kraftwerk. I don't think they did a proper tour that year and it was a one off set list. Has anyone seen them do it anywhere else? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Sorry Date: 27 Aug 1999 11:19:07 -0400 Hey all. I'm sorry about any of the flames I started. Some of them were uncalled for; some of them were me getting pissed off at somebody getting pissed off at me for getting pissed off. I'm still a little edgy about the treatment I got in the beginning, even if I did started bashing some guy that didn't exist. But hey, how would you feel if your very first OML message was some guy bashing a band you really liked for stupid reasons? And then it degraded into Moby bashing (which I thought everybody thought was "limp-dicked"; silly me) vs. bigbeat bashing. And then somebody else started correcting me with breakbeat/bigbeat shit. (You accuse -ME- of getting into catagory wars?!) Of course, some people still get pissed off with me because of that incident, and it degrades into further flaming shit. (Bah, like you hypocrites haven't precipitated in flame wars. :) Ahhh, but anyway...I'm willing to clear any past flame histories if the rest of you are. No shit about insulting our techno/electronica intelligence. No grudges. No band bashing, unless you want to put a big fat "IMFO" on it. No bitching about the quantity of posts. (Please...I thought posting a lot was a GOOD thing. I'd much rather have 50 posts than zero.) I still argee that catagorization is a necessity, but I didn't want that little techno/electronica argument to start anyway. That's was a miscommuncation error with two different meanings. Oh, and the reason I'm so big on catagorization is that it's something that most people could argee with, if the catagories are well-defined. To respond to all of the "just think 'music you like' and 'music you don't like'", I'll quote Beavis and Butthead: "Why do they play stuff that sucks? They should take out the stuff that sucks and just play stuff that's cool." "Yeah...huh huh...that'd kick ass!" Besides, I'd like to figure out what is what and not sound like a moron, like calling NIN "techno". (I guess that's still debatable, but NIN is more of a half-breed.) -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Blackshaw Subject: Re: (orbital) A few replies... Date: 27 Aug 1999 16:22:28 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:24:24 -0400 Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: # I have seen many a fight start because somebody forgot to insert two # characters. So, for fuck's sake, please remember your smileys! Hmm. I wonder who started those fights then? -~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~- | Ed Blackshaw, School of Chemistry | ( Organic Section ) ) University of Bristol ( ( Tel. (internal) ext. 4252 ) ) Ed.Blackshaw@bristol.ac.uk ( ( ) ) "We're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating ( ( and taking over." ) ) ( | http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/~cheab | -~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~'`'~,.,~- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) Sorry Date: 27 Aug 1999 10:54:49 -0500 First of all, you are a big man for apologizing. but... >(which I thought everybody thought was "limp-dicked"; Here is where it starts again.... >(Bah, like you hypocrites haven't precipitated in flame wars. :) And yet again....... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Kloehr Subject: RE: (orbital) A few replies... Date: 27 Aug 1999 10:55:53 -0500 >Hmm. I wonder who started those fights then? Stop trying to pick a fight.....were you picked on in school? (just wondering) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: (orbital) D.S. Building Contractors Date: 27 Aug 1999 12:44:48 EDT Hey there guys, Someone on this list must have that track by D.S. Building Contractors. What about you guys over in the UK? You know anything about this rarity? Let's get an APB out on this one, I think it'll be worth it. The ultimate Orbital rarity. Thanks! Rob Robert Schultz ICQ# 42322067 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew J Russell Subject: (orbital) re:the saint live Date: 27 Aug 1999 14:01:39 -0400 (EDT) yes...actually...they did it at lollapalooza.....i remember it as being pretty much unchanged...maybe slightly faster....or maybe it was just my mood.... matt(contemplating the reality of impossible objects....oohh...pretty shiny!!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew J Russell Subject: (orbital) not related to the list...but a valid question all the same Date: 27 Aug 1999 17:04:06 -0400 (EDT) hello...even though people always scream at things that aren't related to the band the lists are about...i submit this anyway... i'm looking for a future sound of london mailing list...anyone know a good one? matt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Schultz" Subject: Re: (orbital) not related to the list...but a valid question all the same Date: 27 Aug 1999 17:27:59 EDT I'm also looking for one! Also, what about Meat Beat Manifesto? Anyone? Thanks! Rob _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Ann & Nancy Wilson : Heart Acoustic Seattle Tonight -> Recording Date: 27 Aug 1999 16:46:47 -0700 I will be recording this show. (Heart) back in their hometown of seattle. My mom knew them personally. I am using a Sony MZR-55 with Coresound Binaurals. Will be a double or possibly triple cd and i have no idea if anyones opening or what not... My gf is buying the tickets and doing the cover art so she asked me to see if anyone would trade cookbooks for the show Yes i said cookbooks... ROFL! if not i can work something out :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GlaucoBacchi Subject: (orbital) idea for the list Date: 28 Aug 1999 09:27:30 +0100 i suggest we have 2 lists: 1 for announcements of releases and live dates and another for all the chat type stuff. comments, please. -- Glauco Bacchi (GlaucoBacchi@bigfoot.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Blake" Subject: (orbital) John Peel Night Date: 28 Aug 1999 09:27:13 +0100 To celebrate John Peels 60th Birthday there is a special John Peel night on Radio 1 live from Maida Vale studios starting at 8pm Tuesday. There is also a program on BBC2 this Sunday evening. I would bet that there will be some Orbital and Orb content in these shows! Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: Re: (orbital) A few replies... Date: 28 Aug 1999 14:04:01 +0100 At 21:24 26.8.1999 -0400, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote: >Check Squarepusher's Dimotane Co (off of Feed Me Weird Things). I think the >first song ripped the main sample from that. Ahh well. It's a good sample to >rip. "sample"? I had recently gotten that Squarepusher cd and I was in shock when I heard just about the entire drum track used in the 1 track on the Gong cd =) I HAD to look twice to make sure it wasn't a cheap Squarepusher mix :) >For good Gong stuff, check Gong's You. (Get it? "You Remixed Gong"?) doh! ;) I just wonder how it sounds like... I overdozed badly on the Jethro Tull stuff years ago, NO thanks to a former friend of mine (he always had his JT tapes with him. he always played them. ALWAYS. it was the ONLY thing he listened to for 3-4 YEARS. *SHUDDER* don't get me wrong, I didn't hate JT, but in the end, I got SICK of it, and ... things that sound too much like the JT output get badly on my nerves :) and there were a few sound bytes on the You Remixed Gong which reminded me of that, which almost got on my nerves ;) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net feed me music (beware the sheep) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: Re: (orbital) A few replies... Date: 28 Aug 1999 10:24:13 -0400 Agust 'nemesis1' wrote: > > "sample"? I had recently gotten that Squarepusher cd and I was in shock > when I heard just about the entire drum track used in the 1 track on the > Gong cd =) I HAD to look twice to make sure it wasn't a cheap Squarepusher > mix :) Well, ok, that's the bulk of the song, I know. > >For good Gong stuff, check Gong's You. (Get it? "You Remixed Gong"?) > doh! ;) I just wonder how it sounds like... I overdozed badly on the Jethro > Tull stuff years ago, NO thanks to a former friend of mine (he always had > his JT tapes with him. he always played them. ALWAYS. it was the ONLY thing > he listened to for 3-4 YEARS. *SHUDDER* don't get me wrong, I didn't hate > JT, but in the end, I got SICK of it, and ... things that sound too much > like the JT output get badly on my nerves :) and there were a few sound > bytes on the You Remixed Gong which reminded me of that, which almost got > on my nerves ;) Bah! JT and Gong sound nothing alike, esp. on You. You is more of a semi-Ambient experimental mix of all kinds of stuff. -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Kasaj" Subject: Re: (orbital) idea for the list Date: 29 Aug 1999 10:48:07 +0200 > i suggest we have 2 lists: 1 for announcements of releases and live > dates and another for all the chat type stuff. comments, please. you already have the loopz site for announcements and live dates and this list *IS* for chat type stuff amongst people who (still) like orbital. Daniel ===== It's a dictation, and it's a definition... of how we're livin' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: deekay@mail.dfu.de Subject: Re: (orbital) Sorry Date: 30 Aug 1999 03:34:53 +0000 Brendan this is truly a remarkable move from you there!.. I was really astonished to read this as i thought something like that was one of the most unlikely things to happen! 8) Alas, wonders DO happen, hehehe!.. I for my part am willing to forgive if that apology was really meant seriously and you really DID learn something from this!... I still disagree with you about the quantity of posts, i rather prefer zero mails on some days as i spend most of my time sifting through my inbox ever since i joined the list.. Complete silence is ofcourse a bad thing, but 50 mails per day are totally out of bounds!.. Reaching out his hand, DeeKay # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: (orbital) Hi can you help me on? Date: 27 Aug 1999 11:56:26 -1000 Hi, Can someone help me with subscribing to this list please? Thank you very much. ----** Aloha from Hawaii, Joy **---- Dj Pakalolo demo mixtapes, ask for some track lists. Like a cool Ocean breeze, the music slips into your mind. http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/musicisfun/. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Blake" Subject: RE: (orbital) idea for the list Date: 28 Aug 1999 13:49:28 +0100 -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 9:28 AM >i suggest we have 2 lists: 1 for announcements of >>>releases and live >dates and another for all the chat type stuff. >>>comments, please. How about another for people who just want to argue and call eachother wankers etc all the time ?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Rock-> Acoustic Techno->? Date: 30 Aug 1999 02:34:08 -0700 Me and my roommate were joking about something funny. If Rock groups do small acoustic sets to be intimiate.. Might we see orbital play on a piano or something :P. I know this is stupid but i had to ask if techno people every do anything special crazy? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rock-> Acoustic Techno->? Date: 30 Aug 1999 09:23:53 -0400 angel@dimension6.com wrote: > > Me and my roommate were joking about something funny. If Rock groups > do small acoustic sets to be intimiate.. Might we see orbital play on a > piano or something :P. I know this is stupid but i had to ask if techno > people every do anything special crazy? Yeah! Can't you see it on VH-1 Orbital Unplugged! heehehheheheh :))) S # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J Van" Subject: (orbital) yo Digger: have not received the CDs Date: 30 Aug 1999 12:30:55 -0500 Digger, I still have not received your CD + $2 cash. They must have gotten lost or misrouted again. Isn't that pathetic. If indeed you have sent this CD twice already to me and they still have not found a way here, I suggest that you send it via UPS mail with tracking or registered mail if you cannot get it to me via regular channels. best, JV # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don Thompson Subject: (orbital) Orbital Review Date: 30 Aug 1999 14:00:17 -0500 Hey All, Just got a couple of nice treats in the mail. The first of which was the rare Canadian Chime 12" release. Side A has the 12+ minute version of Chime, and Side B features Deeper, Chime (JZJ Bacardi Remix), and Chime (JZJ Oh Ya Mix). The 12 min version of Chime is just what you'd expect...fucking great. I love this track and hearing the full version makes it even a little better. I have this on a US DJ Promo 12" for Chime too, but everytime I hear it..damn...search it out if you can. Next there's Deeper...I also have this on the Japanese Radiccio CD and the edit version on the original Chime 7". It's still a great classic tune....but now onto the reason I bought the 12". The JZJ remixes. I've been looking for these for ages and finally found them. The Bacardi Remix is fucking sweet....one of the best reworkings of Chime I've heard ever. Totally beautiful melodic, and worth the wait. The other remix....the Oh Ya Mix. This is another great remix...a little more on the dark side, but still keeping the uptempo spirit of the original Chime. I highly suggest finiding these remixes....they are great!!!! -- Don Thompson, Don78@prodigy.net on 08/30/1999 at 1:27:46 PM # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "kelbert" Subject: Re: (orbital) Rock-> Acoustic Techno->? Date: 30 Aug 1999 15:16:16 -0700 angel@dimension6.com wrote: > Me and my roommate were joking about something funny. If Rock groups > do small acoustic sets to be intimiate.. Might we see orbital play on a > piano or something :P. I know this is stupid but i had to ask if techno > people every do anything special crazy? > well... i saw moby on the weekend and he managed to transfer some of his songs that were sorta electronic to guitar. he even did a country and western mix of "feeling so real", where it was just him and a guitar. it *is* possible to take certain elements from a song and transfer to another instrument. so i dont see why orbital couldnt re-arrange things for guitar or piano or something. sure, something would be lost, but it would be amusing. i know its possible because i've seen it done. not with orbital but with *ducks for cover* the crystal method. one of my friends experimented with starting an electronica cover band. but.... i think i've said enough now... peace. -kelly # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Price, Steve A" Subject: (orbital) Selling Bootlegs + Japanese cds (i cant find your address!!) Date: 30 Aug 1999 21:51:12 +0100 People ;) Why does everyone want to make a mint out of Orbital? If you have bootlegs - trade them - thats a lot fairer and more rewarding i think. FFRR are getting a bit more clued up about traders and im sure that the people they will target first are the mass distributers making shit loads of money out of someone elses talent. Someone sent me some cds and i cant remember his name or find the email with his address...please get in touch (ive obviously been to too many festivals this year!!!!!). Last thing...Phil Blake - email coming m8...havent forget and Mike !!!! - email coming as well. btw...this list is getting really shit dont u think :) Thanx Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam L." Subject: re: (orbital) Selling Bootlegs + Japanese cds (i cant find your Date: 30 Aug 1999 19:34:00 -0400 btw...this list is getting really shit dont u think :) Thanx Steve LOOPZ Price Orbital Zine www.loopz.co.uk www.megadog.net LOL Steve I agree # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "morpheus" Subject: (orbital) $10 off at cdnow Date: 30 Aug 1999 23:25:05 -0700 Hey, If anyone wants $10 off at cdnow, just follow the link. You do have to buy over $24.99 of stuff to recieve that $10 off, but it may help someone. http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-156761 peace morpheus -the world can be a simple place if you want it to be- http://members.tripod.com/~morpheus1/home.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "morpheus" Subject: Re: (orbital) $10 off at cdnow Date: 30 Aug 1999 23:45:06 -0700 sorry, I didn't mean it that way. I have used other people's before who have put these on the list. I get like dick all from it really makes no difference to me if I get anything at all. I just thought that someone may want to use it and instead of asking people to go to my site first, I thought I would just put the link on here. Besides, I've been on this list a lot longer than a lot of you have and I've seen this on here few times before. If you don't want to use it then don't use it. sorry if that pissed anyone off. cya morpheus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: angel@dimension6.com Subject: (orbital) Hey everyone Date: 30 Aug 1999 23:50:39 -0700 Lets thank morpheus for his CDNOW spam? can i start spamming this list too? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) Re: (orbitalSPAM) yum! Date: 31 Aug 1999 10:18:32 -0400 angel@dimension6.com > Lets thank morpheus for his CDNOW spam? morpheus wrote: > sorry, I didn't mean it that way. I have used other people's before who > have put these on the list. > > sorry if that pissed anyone off. > cya > morpheus It's NOT really spamming if he's trying to SAVE his friends money, even if he steers them one way or another. !UNLESS of course you find out he's getting a 'kickback'! :o Then we should hang him by his toenails and publicly flog him with a wet carp! ;) BTW Wasn't it YOU who told us all how to get free DVDs from somewhere Thanks for all tips guys! I hope my big O buds turn me on! it's called N E T W O R K I N G [at least it used to be...] I ain't got the time to look for these but I'll let you know if I run across anything! :)Speaking of which! freemac.com will be GIVING away 1000!!! iMacs for F R E E ! ! ! with 3 year internet subscription (= $800 total). It's free financing if you wanna iMac ;) l8r! S # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shannon K. Campbell" Subject: (orbital) FREE "Mock Tudor" DownLoad!!! Date: 31 Aug 1999 12:11:46 -0400 IT's true Amazon.com is letting the masses download "Mock Tudor" F R E E !! {Oh except that it's Richard Thompson's "Mock Tudor" What a co-inky-dink! ;) Which came first the Orbital or the egg? Mock & Roll Folk-rock trailblazer Richard Thompson backs up the sterling reputation he's built up over three decades with the cutting album Mock Tudor, the latest release from the singer-songwriter and virtuoso guitarist. Download a full-length song from Mock Tudor (as well as a previously unreleased track) free of charge at Amazon.com. Go to download. >>>--> https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/music/download/richard-thompson/rt-main.html/ref=m_dd_ed_rt_d/002-4538296-3711603 F*K! It's Liquid audio format. Well let's go get another player shall we? S # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: (orbitalSPAM) yum! Date: 31 Aug 1999 19:59:25 +0100 At 10:18 31.8.1999 -0400, Shannon K. Campbell wrote: >:)Speaking of which! freemac.com will be GIVING away 1000!!! iMacs for F >R E E ! ! ! >with 3 year internet subscription (= $800 total). >It's free financing if you wanna iMac ;) how can it be FREE if you have to pay for it indirectly? the use of the word "free" is awfully twisted these days... :( (I've seen a site too giving away FREE PC'S! you only had to pay for the inet subscription, for 2 or 3 years, and funnily enough, the 3 year subscription was about 25% more expensive.................. maybe I should put up a web page and GIVE AWAY FOR FREE!!! mp3 cds, totally free, just send some $$$$$$ to cover my postage and handling (like say, $25-30? :P and I'll GIVE you the cds? :P same thing as releasing FREEWARE which you have to register to get the full version of... maybe it's time I got an update of my dictionaries, seems like there's been a few changes of definitions the last few years... :) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net feed me music (beware the sheep) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Agust 'nemesis1'" Subject: Re: (orbital) Selling Bootlegs + Japanese cds (i cant find Date: 31 Aug 1999 18:48:13 +0100 At 21:51 30.8.1999 +0100, Price, Steve A wrote: >People ;) Steve! ;> >btw...this list is getting really shit dont u think :) naah. it's getting entertaining =) ^_^ Agust 'nemesis1' http://nemesis1.cjb.net feed me music (beware the sheep) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chump@netvision.net.il Subject: (orbital) Mtv Party - Ibiza 99 Date: 01 Sep 1999 05:30:18 +0300 (IDT) hey all. well im back from the best vacation i had in my life , 1 week in Ibiza that + a live orbital show. well what can i say , let's start with the interesting stuff , the party started at about 8 pm , i got in with a journlist backstage ticket , at about 10 pm , faithless + The Jungle brothers arrived (which sucks) , then some mtv vj's . at the same time there was a live show by a group named Higlight Tribe , i really dont know where they are from , but ppl .. i never saw such a good show , they were 5 guys , with an electronic guiter , bass guiter , drums , some hand drums(darbuka) (how ever they r called) and 1 guy with diffrent instruments. they started playing electonic music , supreme music , stuff that i never heard before , and was good as banco de gaia live (if anyone heard them live) , the first thing i done is get on the backstage and looked for the electronic instrumens , and there was none !. this band played a live gig , with a Supreme trance-chillout music , even tho i dont like trance , they were gr8 !. about 100 ppl danced to there music , and i haven't saw even one who passed by and didn't stand to see them (there stage with real small,and the area they played was in the far side). anyhow if anyone knows any info on that band "Highlight Tribe". i would love to know anything about them. ok after they finished playing i started walking around , there were 5 stages , ppl like paul oakenfeld , norman Jay , David Morales , Erick Morillo, and alot more played (full lineup on the next E-mail). at about 00:30 am the moment arrived , as i was sitting around in the v.i.p area , there they were , phil and paul , i was shocked , even tho i knew for about a week that im gonna see them , i didn't belived it.. i came up to them , mummbeld something like $@%^&*I( (&*&&#$$& .. .and after a minute i relaxed , and i told them that for about 4 years i was dreaming to see them live , and how much i appriciate them .. and there work.. they were ok , they told me that they appriciate that i like them. after that .. was the moment i thought about this list.. i thought .. i need to get something to the ppl on the list , BAM , 3 pictuers of the brothers. then after i sweated about 3 pounds from excitment , i thanked them and left. after drinking a 3 shots , i thought to myself "hey ..what about me..?? , why didn't i took a shot of the brothers with me ..?" . well i went to them again , like a real pain in the ass and told them i was sorry to be a pain in the ass .. but hey .. what about me ? a friend of mine took 2 pictures ..while we were waiting for my friend i asked them, if they were playing Brazil , And Australia, How about Israel ? , they said no chance , but i belive that in 3-5 years they will stop by. after that i went to the main stage waiting to see faithless live , meanwhile a Dj named Caesar played, in the scale of 1-10 , he gets 8+ .. he was gr8 , played some drum&bass + some jungle after an hour , Faithless started playing , there gig was good .. but i got some problems with the lyrics , sometimes the lead singer(rolo?) starts raping , and i think it sucks .. but ppl liked it . after another hour of waiting the BIG moment has arrive .. ORBITAL went on .. i cant remember the exect songs they played but i remember for 100% they played : "Way Out","Spare Parts Express","Impact (The Earth is Burning)","Know Where To Run","Halcyon","I Don't Know You People","The Box","Nothing Left","Style","Satan". Halycon , Satan & I dont know you people kicked ass , the other were ok , but this 3 songs really rocked. to be honest .. i was a bit disapointed , i didn't liked it that the whole show , they were behind the keyboards. ya sure they arent young , and they cant jump like faithless or a rock band , and the headlight r kewl, and the background with the kewl computer art rocked .. but still i wished they could make something to make it even better. well anyway .. the best news i can share to light up this mail is .. that i used my "press" backstage v.i.p to make some shots of the gig , from a distance of 10-15 feets . i'll have all the pictuers by next week , hope they turned up good , and i'll scan them and up them to loopz. btw loopz i hope u can still put me in the contest to win the special cd. that's all for now .. thx for reading :) "We waste, we destroy, and we cling like savages to our superstitions. We give power to leaders of state and church as prejudiced and small-minded as ourselves, who squander our resources on instruments of destruction, while millions continue to suffer and go hungry,condemned forever...." Orbital - Forever # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chump@netvision.net.il Subject: (orbital) Lineup - Mtv Ibiza 99 Date: 01 Sep 1999 05:40:40 +0300 (IDT) well here is the lineup i promissed . Drummers David Dunne Tony Oneto Carlos Diaz Jungle Brothers Caesar Faithless Alfredo ORBITAL Pipi Chicane Norman Jay Erick Morillo David Morales Frankie Knuckles Westbam Jose Padilla Bob Sinclair Daniele Davoli Paul Oakenfold Seb Fontaine Alex P & Brandon BLock Higlight Tribe Nick Doof Riktam GMS Swami Piero Jorg SST Pathaan Malte Bruno Dav Phillips/Jeremy Norris/Mike Magler Nathan G/Derek Dahlarge/Sid Shanti Sean Campbell Jonathan Cesar Vergel David Dunne Janice & Lorraine Roccan A Man Called Adam & Lenny That's it... "We waste, we destroy, and we cling like savages to our superstitions. We give power to leaders of state and church as prejudiced and small-minded as ourselves, who squander our resources on instruments of destruction, while millions continue to suffer and go hungry,condemned forever...." Orbital - Forever # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stuart Borthwick" Subject: (orbital) leaving the list Date: 31 Aug 1999 13:09:10 +0100 Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. I'm trying to leave this list. I emailed "info orbital" and followed the instructions sent to me by the server, only to receive the following:- unsubscribe orbital-digest **** unsubscribe: '"Stuart Borthwick" ' is not a member of list 'orbital-digest'. **** contact "orbital-digest-approval@lists.xmission.com" if you need help. I then contacted orbital-digest-approval@lists.xmission.com a week ago, but I have had no reply. Can anyone help me get off this list? Stuart. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper Subject: (orbital) Interstellar Dreamfest! Date: 01 Sep 1999 00:58:33 -0400 I know this is somewhat localized, but is anybody going to Interstellar Dreamfest this weekend? I got the first tickets (001 and 002, hehe) and I'm going with a friend to this cool 3-day rave! Strangeloop, a cool chill guy from here in Louisville, is hosting the thing. He has the details on his site: http://www.strangeloop.nu/ If you're going, I hope to meet you there! -- Brendan Byrd AKA SineSwiper (sineswiper@resonatorsoft.com) Computer techie, PERL hacker, and all-purpose Internet guru Resonator Software (http://www.resonatorsoft.com/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info orbital" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email orbital@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Orbital discography: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?orbital