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I got it. Jane Nelsen

Hi All, As you may know, we have a panel of people who asnwer questions= on our website. I have always meant to send them to the list, but just have= n't been organized. I will try to remember from now on. These will soon be p= ublished on the website for our new non-profit "Positive Discipline Associat= ion" -- when the website is done. Jane Nelsen

BITING SISTER=

Question:

I have a 3 1/2 year old daughter who bites, pinc= hes, and pushes her 8 month old sister.&nb= sp; Often she does this in front of me and often she starts by trying= to look like she just wants to hug her.&n= bsp; The other day she bit her sister's foot while I was holding the=20= baby. It seems to be escalati= ng and it is very stressful for all of us.= I find myself warning her to be careful as soon as she approac= hes the baby. It is clear tha= t she wants attention (when company is over, she is worse). We have tried making her go to the hallway wh= en she hurts her sister but it doesn't seem to stop the behaviour.   I think we may talk to much and=20= not act enough but I am not sure what the action should be. Thank-you.

Answer:<= /o:p>

Dear Parent,

My name is Jody McVitti= e and I am part of the team that answers qu= estions for the website. I am= also a parent of three teens and a family physician. I do remember this kind of episode with my own chil= dren. I didn=E2=80=99t know anything about Positive Discipline at the time b= ut here is what I wish I had known.

Help your daughter by telling her what to do<= /B> instead of what not to do. Three and one half year olds can be very inte= nse young people. They don=E2=80=99t have their feelings and thoughts well s= orted but they do have lots of energy. I think your observation that it look= s as if your daughter wants to hug=E2=80=A6but ends up biting is very astute= and probably accurate. My guess is what she is really aiming for is a sense= of connection=E2=80=A6but she hasn=E2=80=99t really mastered getting the re= sult she wants. As your daugh= ter approaches her sister, calmly remind her to be =E2=80=9Csoft and gentle= =E2=80=9D with her touch. It will not be successful right away. But over time she=E2=80=99ll get the me= ssage. When she makes (anothe= r) mistake, don=E2=80=99t over react. = ; Put the baby down for a second.&n= bsp; Give your older daughter a hug (=E2=80=9CThis is what soft and g= entle feels like=E2=80=9D). Then ask her to go get a book to read or somethi= ng you can do with her while you are also holding the baby as you pick the b= aby back up and comfort her. You can say the same words to the little one:=20= =E2=80=9CThis is what soft and gentle feels like.=E2=80=9D One of my children went through a =E2=80=9Cbit= ing stage=E2=80=9D at about that age too. He would come up and look like he=20= was going to give me a hug and I would end up with bite marks on my thigh. I= began to notice a reflex to pull back from him! I also realized that he didn=E2=80=99t really mean to hu= rt me; he just had lots of energy to connect and didn=E2=80=99t know how to=20= express it. I changed my beha= vior and would get down to his level and open my arms and say, =E2=80=9CHug,= soft and gentle,=E2=80=9D as he rushed toward me. Gradually (not overnight)= he learned to channel all that energy into a hug that was easier for me to=20= receive than the bite. (But they were intense little hugs!)

Let her know that it is normal to have mixed fee= lings when you get a younger sister (or brother). At a time when you are pla= ying together or having quiet time together let your older daughter know how= much you love her. Let her know that you notice that sometimes it is hard f= or her to have a sister in the house. Invite her to share what she is feelin= g. If you have memories of having mixed feelings of a younger sibling coming= into the house that you can share that. If you don=E2=80=99t have experienc= es to share, maybe another adult she trusts does. If not, there are lots of=20= books for children on this subject that you could check out of the library.=20= I particularly like the ones by Mr. Rogers because he is so honest about bot= h the positive and negative feelings. All feelings are ok. What children need to learn is how to be angry= without hurting others.

Resist all temptation to label her as a bully an= d the younger one as the victim. Discipline is about teaching, not punishing. Your job is to teach your d= aughter how to learn to notice her feelings (if indeed she is angry or jealo= us) and to help her find ways of handling them. Here are some ideas:&nb= sp; After you have hugged both children (see #1 above) you could:

    =      Say (to the oldest), it se= ems like you might think that you aren=E2=80=99t getting enough attention. I= f you need to snuggle too, say, =E2=80=9CCan I have a hug?=E2=80=9D

    =      Ask (the oldest), =E2=80= =9CAre you feeling left out? = What could we do together while I feed your sister (snuggle with your sister= etc)?=E2=80=9D

    =      Say to the oldest. =E2=80= =9CIt seems like you need some special time too. When (your young one) takes= her nap, what would you like to do with me?=E2=80=9D

Prevention: Notice that this will happen when yo= ur older daughter has the (mistaken) belief that I don=E2=80=99t belong or a= m not significant. You can= =E2=80=99t make her feel belonging or significance, but you can invit= e those feelings by making sure that she has opportunities to contribute. (S= he could set the table, help pick menus, take special responsibility for pet= s, help cook, chose songs to sing to the baby etc.) You can make sure that she does have special time wit= h you.

Another prevention tool would be to talk to your= daughter about ways she can be included when you are holding the little one= . At a time when the two of y= ou are alone, you could brainstorm activities to do together and make a list= . Put the list and the supplies in a special bag or box. When you are holdin= g the young one, invite the older one to go get the bag/box and pick an acti= vity. Almost 4 year olds can=20= engage easily in a puzzle, reading a book, listening and singing along with=20= a tape (or without a tape), playing =E2=80=9CI spy with my little eye,=E2= =80=9D =E2=80=9Cteaching=E2=80=9D the baby facial expressions (which is anot= her way to teach the older one about feelings), etc.

Lastly, make sure you take time to take care of=20= yourself. Having two children at home under the age of 4 is a lot of work. Y= ou will have more compassion, patience and be able to set limits clearly wit= h kindness when you are at your best. = ; Be kind to yourself and enlist the help if others if needed to make= sure that you have some moments to be kind to yourself.

Best wishes,

Jody McVittie

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PDers-

Just had a counseling session (first session), married couple, = and in the course of the session wife says about husband (in response to my = question about what you love about each other) that he has a strong sense of = community and our responsibility in that community, that this is like his world view. Husband happens to = be German, so I think, aha! Gemeinshaftesgefuhl, so I turn to him and ask, = What does gemeinshaftesgefuhl mean, and he smiles (for the first time in the session, I might add; he really doesn’t want to be here, but = that’s another issue) in recognition (of my perfect pronunciation, no doubt) and he = says, It means what she was just talking about; gemeinshaftes means “what = you have in common,” or “community,” and gefuhl means “what = you feel.” It’s a combined word, he = says, meaning something like having a strong feeling for the general good of the = community.

And I’m thinking, Yeah, I knew that, Jane taught me that, = cool stuff.

I LOVE this counseling world, something new every = day!

On the down side, I didn’t win him over yet, but give me = time.

-Mike

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Mike,

Jane has not taught me that one yet! I'm going to have to hear it in=20 person.....looks like just a bunch of letters to me!

Teresa LaSala

Denville, NJ
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Go Mike!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for sharing!!

Kelly P.
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Good luck, Michael. I am sure you=20 will!!!

Leslie

(Singapore)

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael = Brock=20
To: PosdisGeneral (E-mail) =

Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 = 8:11 AM

Subject: (posdis)=20 gemeinshaftesgefuhl

PDers-

Just=20 had a counseling session (first session), married couple, and in the = course of=20 the session wife says about husband (in response to my question about = what you=20 love about each other) that he has a strong sense of community and our = responsibility in that community, that this is like his world = view. Husband happens to be = German, so I=20 think, aha! Gemeinshaftesgefuhl, so I turn to him and ask, What does=20 gemeinshaftesgefuhl mean, and he smiles (for the first time in the = session, I=20 might add; he really doesn=92t want to be here, but that=92s another = issue) in=20 recognition (of my perfect pronunciation, no doubt) and he says, It = means what=20 she was just talking about; gemeinshaftes means =93what you have in = common,=94 or=20 =93community,=94 and gefuhl means =93what you feel.=94 It=92s a combined word, he = says, meaning=20 something like having a strong feeling for the general good of the=20 community.

And=20 I=92m thinking, Yeah, I knew that, Jane taught me that, cool=20 stuff.

I LOVE=20 this counseling world, something new every=20 day!

On the=20 down side, I didn=92t win him over yet, but give me=20 time.

-Mike
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Hi folks!

I'm missing Think Tank = this year,=20 but thought I'd tap into your wonderful minds and insights via=20 cyberspace.

Back in 1996 I started = a degree in=20 counseling. The program was "Counselor Education" and students can = pursue=20 school counseling or an LPC (licensed professional counselor). = Back then=20 my goal was LPC. My last class was in 1998 just before my first = child was=20 born. In the two years I completed 34 credits out of a 51 credit=20 program. I'm ready to complete my studies (12 credits will be = internship)=20 so I just have two classes to go!

I'm now considering = becoming a=20 school counselor instead of an LPC (for now).

The question to the = group .... if=20 you are a school counselor what have been your experiences? What = age group=20 do you work with?

I realize there is = some=20 administrivia that goes with the position -- testing, etc., but I'm = hopeful that=20 there are opportunities to reach the kids, teachers and parents with = counseling=20 techniques and Positive Discipline classes. Your insight will = really help=20 me make a decision on the path I choose to follow -- no pressure = ;) =20 -- ... just give me your honest impressions of the = field.

I'm off to the beach = for a=20 week. I look forward to reading all your responses when I = return! =20 Happy summer.

Best = regards,
--Lea=20 Anne
Lea Anne Nelson
The Parent Training Center
www.parenttrainingcenter.com=
LeaAnne@parenttrainingce= nter.com
757-410-0617
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C4505B.BE33D350-- - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Brock" Subject: (posdis) RE: (certifiedpda) Let me know your thoughts Date: 12 Jun 2004 08:16:29 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C45055.90FE3E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lea Anne- I�m changing careers after 33 years in education, 26 of them in administration and the last two as counselor as well as principal. In August I start my new counseling career fulltime doing school counseling (middle school level) at a Dallas private school and adult counseling part-time through a Dallas agency. I do enjoy working with kids, but my past two years� experience working with adult issues has convinced me that that is where my heart is. That�s what my life speaks, in the words of Parker Palmer. The school counseling I�ve done the past two years and will be doing this coming year is entirely behavioral/social (as opposed to testing/academic/etc.) The testing/academic side of counseling is important stuff but it doesn�t appeal to me at all. Unfortunately, what I hear from counselor buds who work in schools is that they have very little time to actually work with the kids, what with all the paper work, testing, and meetings they have to attend. This appears to be a widespread frustration, at least in Texas. Like yourself, I want to get in the classroom and do class meetings (and teach the teachers to do class meetings), work with the kids in small groups (I�ve done small group counseling these past two years for children of divorced families), and one-on-one counseling. I�ll also be doing counseling for their parents and most likely parenting classes. Tons of room for PD applications in all that. I anticipate loving my job next year but I know that what I will love the most is the work with adults, both the parenting work with the students� parents and the agency work. In a year, I will have my full license (LPC), after which I will get into private practice, even though I may stay with the school on a part-time basis (I do like working with kids, it will help me grow my client base, and there�s that insurance thing I always need to be thinking about). I hope that information helps, Lea Anne. Best wishes for whatever direction you take. And please continue to keep us posted. -Mike Brock -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-certifiedpda@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Lea Anne Nelson Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 8:01 AM Hi folks! I'm missing Think Tank this year, but thought I'd tap into your wonderful minds and insights via cyberspace. Back in 1996 I started a degree in counseling. The program was "Counselor Education" and students can pursue school counseling or an LPC (licensed professional counselor). Back then my goal was LPC. My last class was in 1998 just before my first child was born. In the two years I completed 34 credits out of a 51 credit program. I'm ready to complete my studies (12 credits will be internship) so I just have two classes to go! I'm now considering becoming a school counselor instead of an LPC (for now). The question to the group .... if you are a school counselor what have been your experiences? What age group do you work with? I realize there is some administrivia that goes with the position -- testing, etc., but I'm hopeful that there are opportunities to reach the kids, teachers and parents with counseling techniques and Positive Discipline classes. Your insight will really help me make a decision on the path I choose to follow -- no pressure ;) -- ... just give me your honest impressions of the field. I'm off to the beach for a week. I look forward to reading all your responses when I return! Happy summer. Best regards, --Lea Anne Lea Anne Nelson The Parent Training Center www.parenttrainingcenter.com LeaAnne@parenttrainingcenter.com 757-410-0617 ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C45055.90FE3E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Le= a Anne-

I&= #8217;m changing careers after 33 years in education, 26 of them in = administration and the last two as counselor as well as principal. In August I start my new counseling career fulltime = doing school counseling (middle school level) at a Dallas private school and = adult counseling part-time through a Dallas agency. I do enjoy working with kids, but my past two = years’ experience working with adult issues has convinced me that that is where my heart = is. That’s what my life = speaks, in the words of Parker Palmer.

Th= e school counseling I’ve done the past two years and will be doing this = coming year is entirely behavioral/social (as opposed to testing/academic/etc.) The testing/academic side of = counseling is important stuff but it doesn’t appeal to me at all. Unfortunately, what I hear = from counselor buds who work in schools is that they have very little time to actually = work with the kids, what with all the paper work, testing, and meetings they = have to attend. This appears to be a widespread frustration, at least in = Texas.

Li= ke yourself, I want to get in the classroom and do class meetings (and = teach the teachers to do class meetings), work with the kids in small groups = (I’ve done small group counseling these past two years for children of divorced = families), and one-on-one counseling. = I’ll also be doing counseling for their parents and most likely parenting classes. Tons of room for = PD applications in all that.

I = anticipate loving my job next year but I know that what I will love the most is the = work with adults, both the parenting work with the students’ parents = and the agency work. In a year, I will = have my full license (LPC), after which I will get into private practice, even = though I may stay with the school on a part-time basis (I do like working with = kids, it will help me grow my client base, and there’s that insurance thing = I always need to be thinking about).

I = hope that information helps, Lea Anne. Best wishes for whatever direction you take. And please continue to keep us = posted.

-M= ike Brock

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-certifiedpda@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-certifiedpda@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Lea Anne Nelson
Sent: Saturday, June 12, = 2004 8:01 AM
To: = posdis@lists.xmission.com; certifiedpda@lists.xmission.com
Subject: (certifiedpda) = Let me know your thoughts

Hi folks!

<= /p>
I'm missing Think Tank this year, but thought I'd tap into = your wonderful minds and insights via cyberspace.<= /p>
<= /p>
Back in 1996 I started a degree in counseling. The = program was "Counselor Education" and students can pursue school = counseling or an LPC (licensed professional counselor). Back then my goal was LPC. My last class was in 1998 just before my first child was = born. In the two years I completed 34 credits out of a 51 credit = program. I'm ready to complete my studies (12 credits will be internship) so I just = have two classes to go!

<= /p>
I'm now considering becoming a school counselor instead of = an LPC (for now).

<= /p>
The question to the group .... if you are a school counselor = what have been your experiences? What age group do you work with? = <= /p>
<= /p>
I realize there is some administrivia that goes with the = position -- testing, etc., but I'm hopeful that there are opportunities to reach = the kids, teachers and parents with counseling techniques and Positive = Discipline classes. Your insight will really help me make a decision on the = path I choose to follow -- no pressure ;) -- ... just give me your = honest impressions of the field.<= /p>
<= /p>
I'm off to the beach for a week. I look forward to = reading all your responses when I return! Happy summer.<= /p>
<= /p>
Best regards,
--Lea Anne
Lea Anne Nelson
The Parent Training Center
www.parenttrainingcenter.com=
LeaAnne@parenttrainingce= nter.com
757-410-0617

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In a message dated 6/12/2004 6:00:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, leaanne@= parenttrainingcenter.com writes:

The question to the=20= group .... if you are a school counselor what have been your experiences?&nb= sp; What age group do you work with?

Hi Lea Anne, I'll really miss you at Think Tank.

I was an elementary school counselor and PD was my whole program. I tau= ght teachers to do class meetings and worked with parents as co-leaders to d= o parenting groups -- until the parents eventually led the classes with othe= r co-leaders. The idea was for each leader to have a co-leader to train. I d= idn't have to do any testing -- but I'm sure it is different in every State=20= and school. Then I started doing "counseling" in private practice on the sid= e. You'll be great. Jane Nelsen
- To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Suzanne Smitha" Subject: Re: (posdis) Let me know your thoughts Date: 12 Jun 2004 21:34:57 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C450C5.1BC9B5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lea Anne, So good to hear from you and learn that you are interested in finishing = that degree! I have a degree in school psychology, but in our school = system, I am school based in one elementary school full time and am = expected to do the school psychology (which includes individual = testing), the counseling and the school social work (and I did have to = add classes and training for the counseling and soc. wk.). Each state = is so different, and it can vary a lot from system to system, so one = thing I'd suggest is that you talk with some people in the school = systems near you. I have worked in private practice doing testing and counseling, and in = public schools for over 30 years. For me, the school system provides = wonderful diversity, both in "clients" and in challenges. It gives me = an opportunity to work with children, parents, teachers, administrators, = community agencies and on top of that, every problem in the world seems = to emerge in the school setting at one time or another. It also keeps = me aware of current trends with children, families and education. I = love those things...plus, if I do by chance get worn out with one thing, = there's always something different for the next day. I didn't find = quite the diversity in private practice that I wanted and found in = public schools, so I gradually eased out of the private work. I do not = have to do much administrative work for the counseling part of my job at = the elementary level and am able to focus almost entirely on individual = or small group counseling and helping teachers with class meetings. =20 Counselors I have met in the counties near me do not have to do much = administrative work at the elementary level either. They are often = locked in to teaching almost all day, however, with classes rotating to = them as they rotate to PE, Art, etc., in order for classroom teachers to = have a planning break during the day. They do have some time for = individual and small group counseling. I hope the above comments help you figure out what you might like to do = most. Whichever way you go, you'll be great at it, and chances are you = can ease out of one and into another along the way if you get the main = degree behind you. Good luck, and keep us posted! =20 Suzanne Smitha Charlotte, NC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lea Anne Nelson=20 To: posdis@lists.xmission.com ; certifiedpda@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: (posdis) Let me know your thoughts Hi folks! Back in 1996 I started a degree in counseling. The program was = "Counselor Education" and students can pursue school counseling or an = LPC (licensed professional counselor). Back then my goal was LPC. My = last class was in 1998 just before my first child was born. In the two = years I completed 34 credits out of a 51 credit program. I'm ready to = complete my studies (12 credits will be internship) so I just have two = classes to go! I'm now considering becoming a school counselor instead of an LPC (for = now).=20 The question to the group .... if you are a school counselor what have = been your experiences? What age group do you work with? =20 I realize there is some administrivia that goes with the position -- = testing, etc., but I'm hopeful that there are opportunities to reach the = kids, teachers and parents with counseling techniques and Positive = Discipline classes. Your insight will really help me make a decision on = the path I choose to follow -- no pressure ;) -- ... just give me your = honest impressions of the field. I'm off to the beach for a week. I look forward to reading all your = responses when I return! Happy summer. Best regards, --Lea Anne Lea Anne Nelson The Parent Training Center www.parenttrainingcenter.com LeaAnne@parenttrainingcenter.com 757-410-0617 ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C450C5.1BC9B5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lea Anne,

So good to hear from you and learn that = you are=20 interested in finishing that degree! I have a degree in school = psychology,=20 but in our school system, I am school based in one elementary = school full=20 time and am expected to do the school psychology (which includes = individual=20 testing), the counseling and the school social work (and I did have to = add=20 classes and training for the counseling and soc. wk.). Each state = is so=20 different, and it can vary a lot from system to system, so one thing I'd = suggest=20 is that you talk with some people in the school systems near = you.

I have worked in private practice doing = testing and=20 counseling, and in public schools for over 30 years. For me, = the=20 school system provides wonderful diversity, both in "clients" and = in=20 challenges. It gives me an opportunity to work with children, = parents,=20 teachers, administrators, community agencies and on top of that, every = problem=20 in the world seems to emerge in the school setting at one time or = another. =20 It also keeps me aware of current trends with children, families=20 and education. I love those things...plus, if I do by chance = get worn=20 out with one thing, there's always something different for the next = day. I=20 didn't find quite the diversity in private practice that I wanted and = found in=20 public schools, so I gradually eased out of the private work. I do = not have=20 to do much administrative work for the counseling part of my job at the=20 elementary level and am able to focus almost entirely on individual or = small=20 group counseling and helping teachers with class meetings. =

Counselors I have met in the = counties near me=20 do not have to do much administrative work at the = elementary level=20 either. They are often locked in to teaching almost all day, = however, with=20 classes rotating to them as they rotate to PE, Art, etc., in order for = classroom=20 teachers to have a planning break during the day. They do have some time for individual and small group=20 counseling.

I hope the above comments help you = figure out what=20 you might like to do most. Whichever way you go, you'll be great = at it,=20 and chances are you can ease out of one and into another along the = way if=20 you get the main degree behind you.

Good luck, and keep us posted! =

Suzanne Smitha

Charlotte, NC

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lea Anne Nelson =
To: posdis@lists.xmission.com = ; certifiedpda@lists.xmissi= on.com=20

Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 = 9:00=20 AM

Subject: (posdis) Let me know = your=20 thoughts

Hi = folks!

Back in 1996 I = started a degree=20 in counseling. The program was "Counselor Education" and = students can=20 pursue school counseling or an LPC (licensed professional = counselor). =20 Back then my goal was LPC. My last class was in 1998 just before = my=20 first child was born. In the two years I completed 34 credits = out of a=20 51 credit program. I'm ready to complete my studies (12 credits = will be=20 internship) so I just have two classes to go!

I'm now considering = becoming a=20 school counselor instead of an LPC (for now).

The question to the = group ....=20 if you are a school counselor what have been your experiences? = What age=20 group do you work with?

I realize there is = some=20 administrivia that goes with the position -- testing, etc., but I'm = hopeful=20 that there are opportunities to reach the kids, teachers and parents = with=20 counseling techniques and Positive Discipline classes. Your = insight will=20 really help me make a decision on the path I choose to follow -- no = pressure=20 ;) -- ... just give me your honest impressions of the=20 field.

I'm off to the beach = for a=20 week. I look forward to reading all your responses when I = return! =20 Happy summer.

Best = regards,
--Lea=20 Anne
Lea Anne Nelson
The Parent Training Center
www.parenttrainingcenter.com=
LeaAnne@parenttrainingce= nter.com
757-410-0617
------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C450C5.1BC9B5C0-- - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: copeland00@att.net Subject: (posdis) Re: (certifiedpda) Let me know your thoughts Date: 15 Jun 2004 15:08:12 +0000 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6047_1087312092_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi LeaAnne, Prior to being a stay at home mom....I worked as a Grade School Counselor in a medium sized rural/suburban district. I loved my job! Every day was a new adventure. Even though I tried to structure my day, there were always a few suprises! The kids were the best and kept me coming back! The district I worked in was very supportive of grade school counselors. I had supportive contacts at the district level and other grade school counselors who I met with regularly to share ideas, concerns and successes. Our school Psych did all the testing and early on I set boundaries so that I wasn't the one to provide discipline, lunchroom duty or playground duty. I was fortunate to be full time at one school. This allowed me to provide school wide programs, classroom guidance, groups, limited one on one counseling, and many meetings with parents. I found it very helpful to have a very clear picture of what I was willing to do and not to do. As a counselor, I found that I could get lots of requests from teachers, principals, parents and students. If I didn't have boundaries, I would have quickly become very ineffective and burned out!!. Some of the downfalls of my job were dealing with CPS related issues and internal leadership problems at my school. The CPS issues were a big learning experience! Fortunately, we had a district Social Worker that had a lot of experience in this area. I learned a lot from her and became a little more at ease as I gained more knowledge. If I were to go back to School Counseling, I would ask a lot more interview questions about the school's discipline procedures and about the school environment. I would choose to go to a "winning" school that is moving in a positive direction that fits more closely to my beliefs...Amazing how many schools are still in the mindset of punishment and rewards. During the last few years of my job, I studied and practiced William Glasser's Choice Theory and Reality Therapy....hadn't found Adlerian Psych. yet! I found it very helpful to know one Theory very well! Your experience in Pos. Disc. should be a great asset. In all....I felt like I did "reach" the kids....reached a few parents and teachers too! I could go on and on! But I'll just stick with the basics! If you have any more questions or need clarification on what I wrote, please let me know! School Counselors can have such an effect on schools, parents, kids and our communities. How great it would be to have a school with a Counselor that knows Positive Discipline....it is so applicable at the school level! Good luck in your journey!! Hope you enjoyed the beach! Melanie Miller, Kirkland, WA (Seattle!) Hi folks! I'm missing Think Tank this year, but thought I'd tap into your wonderful minds and insights via cyberspace. Back in 1996 I started a degree in counseling. The program was "Counselor Education" and students can pursue school counseling or an LPC (licensed professional counselor). Back then my goal was LPC. My last class was in 1998 just before my first child was born. In the two years I completed 34 credits out of a 51 credit program. I'm ready to complete my studies (12 credits will be internship) so I just have two classes to go! I'm now considering becoming a school counselor instead of an LPC (for now). The question to the group .... if you are a school counselor what have been your experiences? What age group do you work with? I realize there is some administrivia that goes with the position -- testing, etc., but I'm hopeful that there are opportunities to reach the kids, teachers and parents with counseling techniques and Positive Discipline classes. Your insight will really help me make a decision on the path I choose to follow -- no pressure ;) -- ... just give me your honest impressions of the field. I'm off to the beach for a week. I look forward to reading all your responses when I return! Happy summer. Best regards, --Lea Anne Lea Anne Nelson The Parent Training Center www.parenttrainingcenter.com LeaAnne@parenttrainingcenter.com 757-410-0617 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6047_1087312092_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi LeaAnne,

Prior to being a stay at home mom....I worked as a Grade School Counselor in a medium sized rural/suburban district. I loved my job! Every day was a new adventure. Even though I tried to structure my day, there were always a few suprises! The kids were the best and kept me coming back! The district I worked in was very supportive of grade school counselors. I had supportive contacts at the district level and other grade school counselors who I met with regularly to share ideas, concerns and successes.

Our school Psych did all the testing and early on I set boundaries so that I wasn't the one to provide discipline, lunchroom duty or playground duty. I was fortunate to be full time at one school. This allowed me to provide school wide programs, classroom guidance, groups, limited one on one counseling, and many meetings with parents. I found it very helpful to have a very clear picture of what I was willing to do and not to do. As a counselor, I found that I could get lots of requests from teachers, principals, parents and students. If I didn't have boundaries, I would have quickly become very ineffective and burned out!!.

Some of the downfalls of my job were dealing with CPS related issues and internal leadership problems at my school. The CPS issues were a big learning experience! Fortunately, we had a district Social Worker that had a lot of experience in this area. I learned a lot from her and became a little more at ease as I gained more knowledge. If I were to go back to School Counseling, I would ask a lot more interview questions about the school's discipline procedures and about the school environment. I would choose to go to a "winning" school that is moving in a positive direction that fits more closely to my beliefs...Amazing how many schools are still in the mindset of punishment and rewards.

During the last few years of my job, I studied and practiced William Glasser's Choice Theory and Reality Therapy....hadn't found Adlerian Psych. yet! I found it very helpful to know one Theory very well! Your experience in Pos. Disc. should be a great asset.

In all....I felt like I did "reach" the kids....reached a few parents and teachers too!

I could go on and on! But I'll just stick with the basics! If you have any more questions or need clarification on what I wrote, please let me know! School Counselors can have such an effect on schools, parents, kids and our communities. How great it would be to have a school with a Counselor that knows Positive Discipline....it is so applicable at the school level! Good luck in your journey!! Hope you enjoyed the beach!

Melanie Miller, Kirkland, WA (Seattle!)

Hi folks!

I'm missing Think Tank this year, but thought I'd tap into your wonderful minds and insights via cyberspace.

Back in 1996 I started a degree in counseling. The program was "Counselor Education" and students can pursue school counseling or an LPC (licensed professional counselor). Back then my goal was LPC. My last class was in 1998 just before my first child was born. In the two years I completed 34 credits out of a 51 credit program. I'm ready to complete my studies (12 credits will be internship) so I just have two classes to go!

I'm now considering becoming a school counselor instead of an LPC (for now).

The question to the group .... if you are a school counselor what have been your experiences? What age group do you work with?

I realize there is some administrivia that goes with the position -- testing, etc., but I'm hopeful that there are opportunities to reach the kids, teachers and parents with counseling techniques and Positive Discipline classes. Your insight will really help me make a decision on the path I choose to follow -- no pressure ;) -- ... just give me your honest impressions of the field.

I'm off to the beach for a week. I look forward to reading all your responses when I return! Happy summer.

Best regards,
--Lea Anne
Lea Anne Nelson
The Parent Training Center
www.parenttrainingcenter.com
LeaAnne@parenttrainingcenter.com
757-410-0617
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6047_1087312092_0-- - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lisa Stroyan Subject: (posdis) New discussion group- AP-Discipline Date: 24 Jun 2004 14:35:24 -0600 Dear Parents, Elizabeth Fine Crocker and I have created a new discussion group: AP-Discipline! How does attachment parenting extend into the way we raise our children throughout the various stages of childhood? Are you an AP parent committed to bringing AP values into the area of discipline? Or are you are not familiar with "AP Parenting", but are looking for more peace and connection with your family? This group is a place to learn, explore, and get support for responsive, respectful, non-punitive discipline as advocated by Attachment Parenting International. (www.attachmentparenting.org) We hope you will find this group a great source of support and information! Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/AP-Discipline, or send email to "AP-Discipline-subscribe@yahoogroups.com" to join. Please be sure to say where you heard of us. To see more about the group, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AP-Discipline. This group will focus on the area of discipline (from an AP perspective). It will not be a general discussion group for other AP related issues like nursing, co-sleeping etc- unless those topics overlap in regard to our focus topic. Many families begin parenting with an interest in AP tools and values and over time as children become more independent sometimes parents feel at a loss, often reacting in ways that are not respectful or nurturing because they feel they have no options. We hope to create a supportive community to explore our options and raise our children- of any age- consistently with the values we have expressed in attachment parenting in early childhood. Please feel free to forward this email to invite the parents in your other AP parenting groups! We are both very excited about this group! We look forward to "seeing you" all there - Elizabeth Fine Crocker and Lisa Stroyan Owners AP-Discipline - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lisa Stroyan Subject: (posdis) (fixed links) New discussion group- AP-Discipline Date: 24 Jun 2004 16:51:05 -0600 (My previous message had a comma and period after the links without a space so the links are broken. Sorry for the duplicate message - here is a fixed one! My apologies - Lisa) Dear Parents, Elizabeth Fine Crocker and I have created a new discussion group: AP-Discipline! How does attachment parenting extend into the way we raise our children throughout the various stages of childhood? Are you an AP parent committed to bringing AP values into the area of discipline? Or are you are not familiar with "AP Parenting", but are looking for more peace and connection with your family? This group is a place to learn, explore, and get support for responsive, respectful, non-punitive discipline as advocated by Attachment Parenting International. (www.attachmentparenting.org) We hope you will find this group a great source of support and information! Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/AP-Discipline , or send email to "AP-Discipline-subscribe@yahoogroups.com" to join. Please be sure to say where you heard of us. To see more about the group, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AP-Discipline . This group will focus on the area of discipline (from an AP perspective). It will not be a general discussion group for other AP related issues like nursing, co-sleeping etc- unless those topics overlap in regard to our focus topic. Many families begin parenting with an interest in AP tools and values and over time as children become more independent sometimes parents feel at a loss, often reacting in ways that are not respectful or nurturing because they feel they have no options. We hope to create a supportive community to explore our options and raise our children- of any age- consistently with the values we have expressed in attachment parenting in early childhood. Please feel free to forward this email to invite the parents in your other AP parenting groups! We are both very excited about this group! We look forward to "seeing you" all there - Elizabeth Fine Crocker and Lisa Stroyan Owners AP-Discipline - To unsubscribe to posdis, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe posdis" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JaneNelsen@aol.com Subject: (posdis) Re: request for special program Date: 30 Jun 2004 12:58:16 EDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/30/2004 10:13:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jjgrodi@ameritech.net writes: Our community needs your help!! I am a psychologist who uses many of your materials when working with parents and kids, and I whole-heartedly support your approach and philosophy. I am also part of a community visioning process (on the parent education & support committee). Our juvenile justice system is working to introduce a "Balanced and Restorative Justice" initiative, which is a wonderful concept that aligns beautifully with Positive Discipline. However, they have been approached by "The Parent Project" which is a very well organized, comprehensively structured, and wonderfully presented program with impressive outcome studies. But I reviewed its manual, and it is, at its core, about controlling kids through a one-size-fits-all punishment disguised as a consequence and trying to censor everything the kids hear, see, and do. Do you have, or do you know of any programs that focus on adolescents that are acting out in destructive/violent ways that embraces a philosophy similar to Positive Discipline? I would be so greatful for any input you may have. Sincerely, Jill Grodi, Psy.D. Monroe, Michigan Hi Jill, You are my kind of people -- those who "get" that consequences are usually nothing more than disguised punishment. I don't know of any other programs that are as good as Positive Discipline and that have the necessary research. We are working on it. Have you seen our research papers on the website? I'm sending a cc to a list of people who work with or are interested in PD. Maybe one of them knows of a program. We have found that most of the programs that say "research based" are realy based on other programs that are research based. We can say that. Wish we could help you. Jane Nelsen Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Our community needs your help!!

I am a psychologist who uses many of your materials wh= en=20 working with parents and kids, and I whole-heartedly support your approach= and=20 philosophy.

I am also part of a community visioning process (on th= e=20 parent education & support committee). Our juvenile justice system is=20 working to introduce a "Balanced and Restorative Justice" initiative, whic= h is=20 a wonderful concept that aligns beautifully with Positive Discipline. Howe= ver,=20 they have been approached by "The Parent Project" which is a very well=20 organized, comprehensively structured, and wonderfully presented=20 program with impressive outcome studies. But I reviewed its manual, a= nd=20 it is, at its core, about controlling kids through a one-size-fits-all=20 punishment disguised as a consequence and trying to censor everything the kids hear, see, and do. Do you have, or do you kno= w of=20 any programs that focus on adolescents that are acting out in=20 destructive/violent ways that embraces a philosophy similar to Positive=20 Discipline?

I would be so greatful for any input you may=20 have.

Sincerely,

Jill Grodi, Psy.D.

Monroe, Michigan

Hi Jill, You are my kind of people -- those who "get" that consequences= are=20 usually nothing more than disguised punishment. I don't know of any other=20 programs that are as good as Positive Discipline and that have the necessary= =20 research. We are working on it. Have you seen our research papers on the=20 website?

I'm sending a cc to a list of people who work with or are interested in= PD.=20 Maybe one of them knows of a program.

We have found that most of the programs that say "research based" are r= ealy=20 based on other programs that are research based. We can say that. Wish we co= uld=20 help you. Jane Nelsen
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HI Jane – = just wanted you to know that ‘The Parent Project’ is something that is = being used by county programs in our area also, and I agree with Jill’s assessment.

Penny G. Davis

Coordinator, Parenting & Wellness Education Program

-----Original = Message-----
From: JaneNelsen@aol.com [mailto:JaneNelsen@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, = 2004 9:58 AM
To: = jjgrodi@ameritech.net
Cc: = posdis@lists.xmission.com
Subject: (posdis) Re: = request for special program

In a message dated 6/30/2004 10:13:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jjgrodi@ameritech.net writes:

Our community needs your help!!

I am a psychologist who uses many of your materials when working with parents = and kids, and I whole-heartedly support your approach and philosophy. =

I am also part of a community visioning process (on the parent education = & support committee). Our juvenile justice system is working to introduce = a "Balanced and Restorative Justice" initiative, which is a = wonderful concept that aligns beautifully with Positive Discipline. However, they = have been approached by "The Parent Project" which is a very well organized, comprehensively structured, and wonderfully presented = program with impressive outcome studies. But I reviewed its manual, and it is, at its = core, about controlling kids through a one-size-fits-all punishment disguised = as a consequence and trying to censor everything the kids hear, see, and do. = Do you have, or do you know of any programs that focus on adolescents that are = acting out in destructive/violent ways that embraces a philosophy similar to = Positive Discipline?

I would be so greatful for any input you may have.

Sincerely,

Jill Grodi, Psy.D.

Monroe, Michigan

Hi Jill, You are my kind of people -- those who "get" that = consequences are usually nothing more than disguised punishment. I don't know of any = other programs that are as good as Positive Discipline and that have the = necessary research. We are working on it. Have you seen our research papers on the website?

I'm sending a cc to a list of people who work with or are interested in PD. = Maybe one of them knows of a program.

We have found that most of the programs that say "research based" are = realy based on other programs that are research based. We can say that. Wish = we could help you. Jane Nelsen

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