From: owner-roswell-digest@lists.xmission.com (roswell-digest) To: roswell-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roswell-digest V1 #25 Reply-To: roswell-digest Sender: owner-roswell-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roswell-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roswell-digest Monday, April 17 2000 Volume 01 : Number 025 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:12:19 -0500 (CDT) From: TELLEROFTALESDT@webtv.net (JOYCE DATES) Subject: Re: [roswell] Tess question i think that tess should stay on the roswell spice up the show you know.just as long as she doesn't come between max ad liz.just so you know , i'm a big max and liz fan.i think maybe they should have her fall for kyle or something. joyce dates - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:27:40 -0400 From: "Mel" Subject: RE: [roswell] SPOILERS: Thoughts and Observations about "Tess, Lies and Videotape" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFA8C4.85F84540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rather than comment and expand on Gina's email, I just want to agree with one statement (though I agree with all of them) that pretty much sums up how I feel about this show and every episode that keeps pulling me deeper and deeper into the storylines. "Never have I been so emotionally and intellectually fascinated by a television show." -Gina I totally agree...emotionally, I really feel like thesse characters are real, or at least, I can realte to them (aliens aside). Intelletually, the show always keeps me on my toes, especially these last few episodes. I am glad there is finally a show that challenges my thinking capabilities. Never has Dawson's Creek driven me to such a degree. Thanks to the WB, and Jonathon Frakes whose input has been shining through immensely the past two episodes...anyone else agreee? Remember Star Trek the next Generation?? Mel -----Original Message----- From: owner-roswell@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-roswell@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of kaycomp Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:17 PM To: RoswellBrigaders@egroups.com; 123Roswell@onelist.com; 1AddictsOfRoswell@onelist.com; 1ALL_ROSWELL@onelist.com; All-Roswell@onelist.com; jason_behr@onelist.com; JasonBehr@onelist.com; max-and-liz@onelist.com; max-n-liz-fic@onelist.com; roswell@lists.xmission.com; RoswellAfterCurfew@onelist.com; Roswellians@onelist.com; roswellites@onelist.com; Roswell-L@onelist.com; RoswellontheWB@onelist.com; RoswellSmut@onelist.com; Roswell-SPOILERS@onelist.com; RoswellTV@onelist.com; WBsROSWELL@onelist.com Subject: [roswell] SPOILERS: Thoughts and Observations about "Tess, Lies and Videotape" Hey Guys, Well, there it was. The episode that we Max and Liz 'shippers(dreamers) have been dreading for a long time. Though many of you like Tess and relish in the thought of someone, anyone, coming between Max and Liz, I have to admit that this one hurt. Putting the relationship stuff aside for now though, I have to say that I really thought this episode was brilliant. Absolutely brilliant I was on the edge of my seat the entire time despite the fact that I had read some of the spoilers and saw some of the clips beforehand. It seemed this episode was even faster in pace than "Crazy" and really incorporated some of the big issues that have permeated the season. Roswell really is just great. Never have I been so emotionally and intellectually fascinated by a television show. It is a real testament to the cast and crew that it continues to expand upon itself and improve. I am really loving the new direction the show is taking especially since they're still utilizing all of the things I loved and bringing them to such a heightened, almost frenzied, crescendo. Anyhoo, here are some thoughts and observations: 1) Tess: Let's just get this out of the way. I've tried to like her. I swear I have. I think Emilie is adorable and a real "firecracker." I just think that her character is so blatantly out of place on the show that she sticks out like a sore thumb(and not in a good way). All of the teens and adults in Roswell are sort of tortured. They all have big issues and are all pretty subdued in manner. Though I would think Tess would be a breath of fresh air in contrast to that, she really doesn't do it for me. I think a lot of it has to do with my not really understanding why Isabel has gravitated towards her. By all accounts, Tess seems as shallow and self-centered as all of the other "friends" that Isabel has shunned. It just doesn't seem right to me. Perhaps she is under the same spell that Max seems to be under but it still seems forced. Surely they could have introduced her in a more realistic manner. 2) Max and Liz: Ah, this is another reason that I absolutely love this show. Though I'm not dating an alien(though some of my ex-boyfriends have me wondering whether they're from Planet A-hole)I can totally relate to thinking that you know someone implicitly only to realize that that may never really be possible. I think we all can relate. Needless to say, I feel for Liz in a big way. The shoe dropped, the "s" hit the fan and she never even saw it coming. Surprisingly, I also really felt for Max at times tonight too. That kiss that he planted on Liz during the opening scene at the Crashdown was so desperate. It was like by kissing her, he would somehow cleanse himself of all of the impure thoughts he was having about Tess. My question is, how do you fight yourself? How do you fight how you feel? It's not easy for humans and it certainly is going to be damn near impossible when you throw in alien history, the search for your past and yourself and a possible forgotten or unknown connection to someone, in this case a beautiful young girl. That rain kiss between Tess and Max with Liz looking on was nothing short of brutal. And to be honest, it was the first time that I really didn't like Max. It's funny, on the surface, the problems that Liz and Max seem to be having are so banal but underneath they are steeped in complication. If you didn't know them, you would think it was just another case of a straying boyfriend. Funny. 3) Max and Michael: This relationship really is slowly deteriorating, isn't it? It seems that each week, something happens to tear them further and further apart. I thought it was terribly sad when Michael emphasized that he "USED to admire Max" It's like when you're a kid and you idolize your parents and you think they're the smartest, bravest people in the world. Then you grow up and you realize they're just human. That's what I kind of feel is happening to Michael and Max. Michael is growing more independent and making decisions, good and bad, on his own without informing Max. We have to hope that the growing pains don't tear them up to a point where the damage is irreparable. 4) Maria and Liz : Though I'm not the biggest Michael and Maria 'shipper, I do love these characters individually. I do have to say that Maria RULES!! I loved how she did the best friend thing by warning Liz about Tess and how shady she appears to be. I also really loved how she comforted a crying Liz by declaring emphatically that Max was a jerk! Amen sister! Maria's the kind of person you want to have on your side. She's the real deal. A friend to the end. It's always cool when someone like Maria "has got your back." Great portrayal of their friendship tonight. The only thing that would have made it even better would to have included Alex in the mix. He's known them forever and it would have been nice to see the three aliens bond like we so often see their alien counterparts do. 5) Michael and Liz: What an amazing surprise to see Michael defend Liz. He had this really protective thing going on with her and I for one LOVED it. I loved how he lit into Max about betraying Liz and how Michael was the first to want to rescue Liz from Tess and her dad. Michael really stepped up to the plate tonight and was a man. Nice growth of characterization! 6) Liz: Again, I am completely biased but I thought Shiri was fantastic tonight. She broke my heart with just a look as she stood by the Crashdown doors and watched the man that she loves, kiss another girl. She was also just incredibly moving when she ignored Max and then confronted him by the lockers in the backroom of the restaurant. I could literally feel her pain. Liz has been so good about everything so far and it was great to just see her breakdown and feel. Just completely feel with her heart only. Shiri was just amazing. Were you guys feeling her too? 7) Max: I think Max is trying to battle Angel for most tortured soul :) . Jason always astounds me with the depth that he brings to his character but tonight he was just so "on". He hated himself for what he was feeling. He hated himself for what he was doing to Liz and yet he couldn't deny that he was intrigued by Tess. I thought it was very telling that he said to Liz that it was "more than just attraction", implying that there is an attraction there to Tess. Though I screamed "what an ass" a few times to the screen when he was on, I did sympathize with him. He is as confused as everyone else is by what's happening and it's fascinating to watch this completely controlled person, become undone. Jason rocks again. 8)Valenti and the Gang: I personally am loving the Valenti as ally thing. He still weirded me out a bit but I think he is genuinely scared for Max, Isabel and Michael. I'm still a little shaken by him speaking to Max so frankly about things that have been hidden for so long but I guess he's trying to get Max to admit who he is. Returning the orb was a great way to try and win the trust of the aliens and I can't wait to see how that pans out.Gotta love Valenti and gotta love William. He rules! 9) Destiny, fate and where does love fit in?: I think it was Mala on the boards who made this great distinction between fate and destiny.(Mala, If you're reading this, please elaborate) For me, destiny implies a pre-determined plan while fate is more accidental or coincidental. In many ways, I think at least, destiny can be changed by fate. I think fate can sneak up on us and change the course of things in a heartbeat. That destiny is only pre-determined to the extent that it is what is "supposed" to happen as opposed to "fate" which might not have been planned but can open the pathway to a new destiny. In this case, when Max said that it was "fate" that brought him and Liz together, I really started thinking about the whole destiny, fate debate and where love fits into all of this. Are Liz and Max fated to be together? They love each other that's easy to see but do they belong together in the grander scheme of things. I'm sure Max was destined to be with another alien(whether that proves to be Tess in the future is another story) but was it fate that brought him to Liz? Since the moment he saw her in the 3rd grade, he loved her. Was that fate? Was that destiny? And can love change one or both of those things? I'm not really sure but I would love to hear what you guys think? Other things I noticed: A) What was the deal with Michael pulling Max and Isabel aside to tell them that Tess's house was empty. I can't believe he reverted back to the 3 and 3 formation. B) Line of the night: "Oooh, I'm as flat as I thought I was"-Maria. She cracks me up!! C) Second line of the night: "Everything I see with me eyes tells me he's cheating on me but everything in my heart tells me he's not"-Liz. That is love. D) And speaking of love, how great was it to hear Liz declare her love for Max. Sure he wasn' there to hear it but as a dreamgirl, I was so happy!!! :D :D :D E) HALLELUJAH: I couldn't believe that Kyle was finally on the screen, albeit briefly. Did any of you look around for the four horsemen and other signs of the apocalypse? LOL :) It was good to see him back. I also thought it was our lucky night because Kyle and Alex were on in the same episode. I guess the rumors about the budgetary constrictions of having both of them on together were erroneous LOL! :) F) Is it me or does the Pod Squad really need to take some lessons from the Scooby Gang? Could they have been more obvious standing outside of Tess's house? I was cracking up. I was waiting for Michael or Alex to hold up a sign that said, "We're out here watching you" :) G) Is it me or is Tess's father the creepiest dude on the planet? What's the deal with that? H) Isabel's head on Alex, Maria on Michael's chest...too sweet. Shallow post of the week: I am so loving Maria's new haircut. It looks great on Majandra! The guys looked really hot, especially Jason in that t-shirt(look at those arms!!!) and the shirt he wore during the first kiss with Liz at the Crashdown. Umm, it kills me to say it but that Tess and Max lab table scene was hot. Jason is so the man! Oh and how cute were the pics of Jason in the box at Tess's house? I thought for sure it was a dreamgirl who took them! LOL :) Again, another just incredible episode. I know this one was long but it was so rich in detail. I really can't wait to see how this whole Tess storyline plays out, how and if the relationships(all of them) will survive and what role Valenti and Nasedo will play.This show just keeps getting better and better. Let's hope our efforts to keep it alive weren't in vain and that the WB opens their eyes to what an amazing show it has! Take care all. Gina :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "...These things I should keep to myself, but I feel somehow strangely compelled. Under moonlight I stood wild and naked. Felt no shame just my spirit awakened..." Neil Finn "...I'll fly over a rainbow, I'll be sun kissed. I'll sail around the planet Venus and send a long letter way back home that says all that I know is the blue sky..." 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Rather=20 than comment and expand on Gina's email, I just want to agree with one = statement=20 (though I agree with all of them) that pretty much sums up how I feel = about this=20 show and every episode that keeps pulling me deeper and deeper into the=20 storylines.
 
"Never have I been so emotionally and=20 intellectually fascinated by a television show."=20 - -Gina
 
I totally agree...emotionally, I really feel = like=20 thesse characters are real, or at least, I can realte to them (aliens = aside).=20
 
Intelletually, the show always keeps me on my = toes,=20 especially these last few episodes. I am glad there is finally a show = that=20 challenges my thinking capabilities. Never has Dawson's Creek driven me = to such=20 a degree.
 
Thanks to the WB,  and Jonathon Frakes = whose input=20 has been shining through immensely the past two episodes...anyone else = agreee?=20 Remember Star Trek the next = Generation??
 
Mel
 
 
 
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From:=20 owner-roswell@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-roswell@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 kaycomp
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:17 = PM
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Subject: [roswell] SPOILERS: Thoughts = and=20 Observations about "Tess, Lies and Videotape"

Hey Guys,
 
Well, there it was. The episode that we Max and = Liz=20 'shippers(dreamers) have been dreading for a long time. Though many of = you=20 like Tess and relish in the thought of someone, anyone, coming between = Max and=20 Liz, I have to admit that this one hurt. Putting the relationship = stuff aside=20 for now though, I have to say that I really thought this episode was=20 brilliant. Absolutely brilliant I was on the edge of my seat the = entire time=20 despite the fact that I had read some of the spoilers and saw some of = the=20 clips beforehand. It seemed this episode was even faster in pace than = "Crazy"=20 and really incorporated some of the big issues that have permeated the = season.=20 Roswell really is just great. Never have I been so emotionally and=20 intellectually fascinated by a television show. It is a real testament = to the=20 cast and crew that it continues to expand upon itself and improve. I = am really=20 loving the new direction the show is taking especially since they're = still=20 utilizing all of the things I loved and bringing them to such a = heightened,=20 almost frenzied, crescendo. Anyhoo, here are some thoughts and=20 observations:
 
1) Tess: Let's just get this out = of the=20 way. I've tried to like her. I swear I have. I think Emilie is = adorable and a=20 real "firecracker." I just think that her character is so blatantly = out of=20 place on the show that she sticks out like a sore thumb(and not in a = good=20 way). All of the teens and adults in Roswell are sort of tortured. = They all=20 have big issues and are all pretty subdued in manner. Though I would = think=20 Tess would be a breath of fresh air in contrast to that, she really = doesn't do=20 it for me. I think a lot of it has to do with my not really = understanding why=20 Isabel has gravitated towards her. By all accounts, Tess seems as = shallow and=20 self-centered as all of the other "friends" that Isabel has shunned. = It just=20 doesn't seem right to me. Perhaps she is under the same spell that Max = seems=20 to be under but it still seems forced. Surely they could have = introduced her=20 in a more realistic manner.
 
2) Max and Liz: Ah, this is = another reason=20 that I absolutely love this show. Though I'm not dating an = alien(though some=20 of my ex-boyfriends have me wondering whether they're from Planet = A-hole)I can=20 totally relate to thinking that you know someone implicitly only to = realize=20 that that may never really be possible. I think we all can relate. = Needless to=20 say, I feel for Liz in a big way. The shoe dropped, the "s" hit the = fan and=20 she never even saw it coming.

Surprisingly, I also = really felt for=20 Max at times tonight too. That kiss that he planted on Liz during the = opening=20 scene at the Crashdown was so desperate. It was like by kissing her, = he would=20 somehow cleanse himself of all of the impure thoughts he was having = about=20 Tess. My question is, how do you fight yourself? How do you fight how = you=20 feel? It's not easy for humans and it certainly is going to be damn = near=20 impossible when you throw in alien history, the search for your past = and=20 yourself and a possible forgotten or unknown connection to someone, in = this=20 case a beautiful young girl.
 
That rain kiss between Tess and Max with Liz = looking on was=20 nothing short of brutal. And to be honest, it was the first time that = I really=20 didn't like Max. It's funny, on the surface, the problems that Liz and = Max=20 seem to be having are so banal but underneath they are steeped in=20 complication. If you didn't know them, you would think it was just = another=20 case of a straying boyfriend. Funny.
 
3) Max and Michael: This = relationship=20 really is slowly deteriorating, isn't it? It seems that each week, = something=20 happens to tear them further and further apart. I thought it was = terribly sad=20 when Michael emphasized that he "USED to admire Max" It's like when = you're a=20 kid and you idolize your parents and you think they're the smartest, = bravest=20 people in the world. Then you grow up and you realize they're just = human.=20 That's what I kind of feel is happening to Michael and Max. Michael is = growing=20 more independent and making decisions, good and bad, on his own = without=20 informing Max. We have to hope that the growing pains don't tear them = up to a=20 point where the damage is irreparable.
 
4) Maria and Liz : Though I'm not = the=20 biggest Michael and Maria 'shipper, I do love these characters = individually. I=20 do have to say that Maria RULES!! I loved how she did the best friend = thing by=20 warning Liz about Tess and how shady she appears to be. I also really = loved=20 how she comforted a crying Liz by declaring emphatically that Max was = a jerk!=20 Amen sister! Maria's the kind of person you want to have on your side. = She's=20 the real deal. A friend to the end. It's always cool when someone like = Maria=20 "has got your back." Great portrayal of their friendship tonight. The = only=20 thing that would have made it even better would to have included Alex = in the=20 mix. He's known them forever and it would have been nice to see the = three=20 aliens bond like we so often see their alien counterparts = do.
 
5) Michael and Liz: What an = amazing=20 surprise to see Michael defend Liz. He had this really protective = thing going=20 on with her and I for one LOVED it. I loved how he lit into Max about=20 betraying Liz and how Michael was the first to want to rescue Liz from = Tess=20 and her dad. Michael really stepped up to the plate tonight and was a = man.=20 Nice growth of characterization!
 
6) Liz: Again, I am completely = biased but I=20 thought Shiri was fantastic tonight. She broke my heart with just a = look as=20 she stood by the Crashdown doors and watched the man that she loves, = kiss=20 another girl. She was also just incredibly moving when she ignored Max = and=20 then confronted him by the lockers in the backroom of the restaurant. = I could=20 literally feel her pain. Liz has been so good about everything so far = and it=20 was great to just see her breakdown and feel. Just completely feel = with her=20 heart only. Shiri was just amazing. Were you guys feeling her too?=20
 
7) Max: I think Max is trying to = battle=20 Angel for most tortured soul :) . Jason always astounds me with the = depth that=20 he brings to his character but tonight he was just so "on". He hated = himself=20 for what he was feeling. He hated himself for what he was doing to Liz = and yet=20 he couldn't deny that he was intrigued by Tess. I thought it was very = telling=20 that he said to Liz that it was "more than just attraction", implying = that=20 there is an attraction there to Tess. Though I screamed "what an ass" = a few=20 times to the screen when he was on, I did sympathize with him. He is = as=20 confused as everyone else is by what's happening and it's fascinating = to watch=20 this completely controlled person, become undone. Jason rocks=20 again.
 
8)Valenti and the Gang: I = personally am=20 loving the Valenti as ally thing. He still weirded me out a bit but I = think he=20 is genuinely scared for Max, Isabel and Michael. I'm still a little = shaken by=20 him speaking to Max so frankly about things that have been hidden for = so long=20 but I guess he's trying to get Max to admit who he is. Returning the = orb was a=20 great way to try and win the trust of the aliens and I can't wait to = see how=20 that pans out.Gotta love Valenti and gotta love William. He=20 rules!
 
9) Destiny, fate and where does love fit=20 in?: I think it was Mala on the boards who made this great=20 distinction between fate and destiny.(Mala, If you're reading this, = please=20 elaborate) For me, destiny implies a pre-determined plan while fate is = more=20 accidental or coincidental. In many ways, I think at least, destiny = can be=20 changed by fate. I think fate can sneak up on us and change the course = of=20 things in a heartbeat. That destiny is only pre-determined to the = extent that=20 it is what is "supposed" to happen as opposed to "fate" which might = not have=20 been planned but can open the pathway to a new destiny. In this case, = when Max=20 said that it was "fate" that brought him and Liz together, I really = started=20 thinking about the whole destiny, fate debate and where love fits into = all of=20 this. Are Liz and Max fated to be together? They love each other = that's easy=20 to see but do they belong together in the grander scheme of things. = I'm sure=20 Max was destined to be with another alien(whether that proves to be = Tess in=20 the future is another story) but was it fate that brought him to Liz? = Since=20 the moment he saw her in the 3rd grade, he loved her. Was that fate? = Was that=20 destiny? And can love change one or both of those things? I'm not = really sure=20 but I would love to hear what you guys think?
 
Other things I = noticed:
A) What was the deal with Michael pulling Max and = Isabel=20 aside to tell them that Tess's house was empty. I can't believe he = reverted=20 back to the 3 and 3 formation.
B) Line of the night: "Oooh, I'm as flat as I = thought I=20 was"-Maria. She cracks me up!!
C) Second line of the night: "Everything I see = with me eyes=20 tells me he's cheating on me but everything in my heart tells me he's=20 not"-Liz. That is love.
D) And speaking of love, how great was it to hear = Liz=20 declare her love for Max. Sure he wasn' there to hear it but as a = dreamgirl, I=20 was so happy!!! :D :D :D
E) HALLELUJAH: I couldn't believe that = Kyle was=20 finally on the screen, albeit briefly. Did any of you look around for = the four=20 horsemen and other signs of the apocalypse? LOL :) It was good to see = him=20 back. I also thought it was our lucky night because Kyle and Alex were = on in=20 the same episode. I guess the rumors about the budgetary constrictions = of=20 having both of them on together were erroneous LOL! :)
F) Is it me or does the Pod Squad really need to = take some=20 lessons from the Scooby Gang? Could they have been more obvious = standing=20 outside of Tess's house? I was cracking up. I was waiting for Michael = or Alex=20 to hold up a sign that said, "We're out here watching you" :)
G) Is = it me=20 or is Tess's father the creepiest dude on the planet? What's the deal = with=20 that?
H) Isabel's head on Alex, Maria on Michael's = chest...too=20 sweet.
 
Shallow post of the week:
I am = so loving=20 Maria's new haircut. It looks great on Majandra! The guys looked = really hot,=20 especially Jason in that t-shirt(look at those arms!!!) and the shirt = he wore=20 during the first kiss with Liz at the Crashdown. Umm, it kills me to = say it=20 but that Tess and Max lab table scene was hot. Jason is so the man! Oh = and how=20 cute were the pics of Jason in the box at Tess's house? I thought for = sure it=20 was  a dreamgirl who took them! LOL :)
 
Again, another just incredible episode. I know = this one was=20 long but it was so rich in detail. I really can't wait to see how this = whole=20 Tess storyline plays out, how and if the relationships(all of them) = will=20 survive and what role Valenti and Nasedo will play.This show just = keeps=20 getting better and better. Let's hope our efforts to keep it alive = weren't in=20 vain and that the WB opens their eyes to what an amazing show it has!=20

Take care all. Gina = :)
 
 
 
 
 
 
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      and naked. = Felt no=20 shame just my spirit awakened..."   Neil Finn
 
"...I'll fly over a rainbow, I'll = be sun=20 kissed. I'll sail around the planet Venus and send a long letter way = back=20 home
     that says all that I know is the blue = sky..."    Patty Griffin
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFA8C4.85F84540-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:37:49 -0400 From: "Mel" Subject: RE: [roswell] SPOILERS: Thoughts and Observations about "Tess, Lies and Videotape" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFA8C5.F1237640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another comment to add...Gina..I totally started bursting out laughing when the gang pulled up in the jetta (aka mystery machine)..Even though It was a suspenseful moment, I could not help myself..LOL ~Mel "F) Is it me or does the Pod Squad really need to take some lessons from the Scooby Gang? Could they have been more obvious standing outside of Tess's house? I was cracking up. I was waiting for Michael or Alex to hold up a sign that said, "We're out here watching you" :)" -----Original Message----- From: owner-roswell@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-roswell@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of kaycomp Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:17 PM To: RoswellBrigaders@egroups.com; 123Roswell@onelist.com; 1AddictsOfRoswell@onelist.com; 1ALL_ROSWELL@onelist.com; All-Roswell@onelist.com; jason_behr@onelist.com; JasonBehr@onelist.com; max-and-liz@onelist.com; max-n-liz-fic@onelist.com; roswell@lists.xmission.com; RoswellAfterCurfew@onelist.com; Roswellians@onelist.com; roswellites@onelist.com; Roswell-L@onelist.com; RoswellontheWB@onelist.com; RoswellSmut@onelist.com; Roswell-SPOILERS@onelist.com; RoswellTV@onelist.com; WBsROSWELL@onelist.com Subject: [roswell] SPOILERS: Thoughts and Observations about "Tess, Lies and Videotape" Hey Guys, Well, there it was. The episode that we Max and Liz 'shippers(dreamers) have been dreading for a long time. Though many of you like Tess and relish in the thought of someone, anyone, coming between Max and Liz, I have to admit that this one hurt. Putting the relationship stuff aside for now though, I have to say that I really thought this episode was brilliant. Absolutely brilliant I was on the edge of my seat the entire time despite the fact that I had read some of the spoilers and saw some of the clips beforehand. It seemed this episode was even faster in pace than "Crazy" and really incorporated some of the big issues that have permeated the season. Roswell really is just great. Never have I been so emotionally and intellectually fascinated by a television show. It is a real testament to the cast and crew that it continues to expand upon itself and improve. I am really loving the new direction the show is taking especially since they're still utilizing all of the things I loved and bringing them to such a heightened, almost frenzied, crescendo. Anyhoo, here are some thoughts and observations: 1) Tess: Let's just get this out of the way. I've tried to like her. I swear I have. I think Emilie is adorable and a real "firecracker." I just think that her character is so blatantly out of place on the show that she sticks out like a sore thumb(and not in a good way). All of the teens and adults in Roswell are sort of tortured. They all have big issues and are all pretty subdued in manner. Though I would think Tess would be a breath of fresh air in contrast to that, she really doesn't do it for me. I think a lot of it has to do with my not really understanding why Isabel has gravitated towards her. By all accounts, Tess seems as shallow and self-centered as all of the other "friends" that Isabel has shunned. It just doesn't seem right to me. Perhaps she is under the same spell that Max seems to be under but it still seems forced. Surely they could have introduced her in a more realistic manner. 2) Max and Liz: Ah, this is another reason that I absolutely love this show. Though I'm not dating an alien(though some of my ex-boyfriends have me wondering whether they're from Planet A-hole)I can totally relate to thinking that you know someone implicitly only to realize that that may never really be possible. I think we all can relate. Needless to say, I feel for Liz in a big way. The shoe dropped, the "s" hit the fan and she never even saw it coming. Surprisingly, I also really felt for Max at times tonight too. That kiss that he planted on Liz during the opening scene at the Crashdown was so desperate. It was like by kissing her, he would somehow cleanse himself of all of the impure thoughts he was having about Tess. My question is, how do you fight yourself? How do you fight how you feel? It's not easy for humans and it certainly is going to be damn near impossible when you throw in alien history, the search for your past and yourself and a possible forgotten or unknown connection to someone, in this case a beautiful young girl. That rain kiss between Tess and Max with Liz looking on was nothing short of brutal. And to be honest, it was the first time that I really didn't like Max. It's funny, on the surface, the problems that Liz and Max seem to be having are so banal but underneath they are steeped in complication. If you didn't know them, you would think it was just another case of a straying boyfriend. Funny. 3) Max and Michael: This relationship really is slowly deteriorating, isn't it? It seems that each week, something happens to tear them further and further apart. I thought it was terribly sad when Michael emphasized that he "USED to admire Max" It's like when you're a kid and you idolize your parents and you think they're the smartest, bravest people in the world. Then you grow up and you realize they're just human. That's what I kind of feel is happening to Michael and Max. Michael is growing more independent and making decisions, good and bad, on his own without informing Max. We have to hope that the growing pains don't tear them up to a point where the damage is irreparable. 4) Maria and Liz : Though I'm not the biggest Michael and Maria 'shipper, I do love these characters individually. I do have to say that Maria RULES!! I loved how she did the best friend thing by warning Liz about Tess and how shady she appears to be. I also really loved how she comforted a crying Liz by declaring emphatically that Max was a jerk! Amen sister! Maria's the kind of person you want to have on your side. She's the real deal. A friend to the end. It's always cool when someone like Maria "has got your back." Great portrayal of their friendship tonight. The only thing that would have made it even better would to have included Alex in the mix. He's known them forever and it would have been nice to see the three aliens bond like we so often see their alien counterparts do. 5) Michael and Liz: What an amazing surprise to see Michael defend Liz. He had this really protective thing going on with her and I for one LOVED it. I loved how he lit into Max about betraying Liz and how Michael was the first to want to rescue Liz from Tess and her dad. Michael really stepped up to the plate tonight and was a man. Nice growth of characterization! 6) Liz: Again, I am completely biased but I thought Shiri was fantastic tonight. She broke my heart with just a look as she stood by the Crashdown doors and watched the man that she loves, kiss another girl. She was also just incredibly moving when she ignored Max and then confronted him by the lockers in the backroom of the restaurant. I could literally feel her pain. Liz has been so good about everything so far and it was great to just see her breakdown and feel. Just completely feel with her heart only. Shiri was just amazing. Were you guys feeling her too? 7) Max: I think Max is trying to battle Angel for most tortured soul :) . Jason always astounds me with the depth that he brings to his character but tonight he was just so "on". He hated himself for what he was feeling. He hated himself for what he was doing to Liz and yet he couldn't deny that he was intrigued by Tess. I thought it was very telling that he said to Liz that it was "more than just attraction", implying that there is an attraction there to Tess. Though I screamed "what an ass" a few times to the screen when he was on, I did sympathize with him. He is as confused as everyone else is by what's happening and it's fascinating to watch this completely controlled person, become undone. Jason rocks again. 8)Valenti and the Gang: I personally am loving the Valenti as ally thing. He still weirded me out a bit but I think he is genuinely scared for Max, Isabel and Michael. I'm still a little shaken by him speaking to Max so frankly about things that have been hidden for so long but I guess he's trying to get Max to admit who he is. Returning the orb was a great way to try and win the trust of the aliens and I can't wait to see how that pans out.Gotta love Valenti and gotta love William. He rules! 9) Destiny, fate and where does love fit in?: I think it was Mala on the boards who made this great distinction between fate and destiny.(Mala, If you're reading this, please elaborate) For me, destiny implies a pre-determined plan while fate is more accidental or coincidental. In many ways, I think at least, destiny can be changed by fate. I think fate can sneak up on us and change the course of things in a heartbeat. That destiny is only pre-determined to the extent that it is what is "supposed" to happen as opposed to "fate" which might not have been planned but can open the pathway to a new destiny. In this case, when Max said that it was "fate" that brought him and Liz together, I really started thinking about the whole destiny, fate debate and where love fits into all of this. Are Liz and Max fated to be together? They love each other that's easy to see but do they belong together in the grander scheme of things. I'm sure Max was destined to be with another alien(whether that proves to be Tess in the future is another story) but was it fate that brought him to Liz? Since the moment he saw her in the 3rd grade, he loved her. Was that fate? Was that destiny? And can love change one or both of those things? I'm not really sure but I would love to hear what you guys think? Other things I noticed: A) What was the deal with Michael pulling Max and Isabel aside to tell them that Tess's house was empty. I can't believe he reverted back to the 3 and 3 formation. B) Line of the night: "Oooh, I'm as flat as I thought I was"-Maria. She cracks me up!! C) Second line of the night: "Everything I see with me eyes tells me he's cheating on me but everything in my heart tells me he's not"-Liz. That is love. D) And speaking of love, how great was it to hear Liz declare her love for Max. Sure he wasn' there to hear it but as a dreamgirl, I was so happy!!! :D :D :D E) HALLELUJAH: I couldn't believe that Kyle was finally on the screen, albeit briefly. Did any of you look around for the four horsemen and other signs of the apocalypse? LOL :) It was good to see him back. I also thought it was our lucky night because Kyle and Alex were on in the same episode. I guess the rumors about the budgetary constrictions of having both of them on together were erroneous LOL! :) F) Is it me or does the Pod Squad really need to take some lessons from the Scooby Gang? Could they have been more obvious standing outside of Tess's house? I was cracking up. I was waiting for Michael or Alex to hold up a sign that said, "We're out here watching you" :) G) Is it me or is Tess's father the creepiest dude on the planet? What's the deal with that? H) Isabel's head on Alex, Maria on Michael's chest...too sweet. Shallow post of the week: I am so loving Maria's new haircut. It looks great on Majandra! The guys looked really hot, especially Jason in that t-shirt(look at those arms!!!) and the shirt he wore during the first kiss with Liz at the Crashdown. Umm, it kills me to say it but that Tess and Max lab table scene was hot. Jason is so the man! Oh and how cute were the pics of Jason in the box at Tess's house? I thought for sure it was a dreamgirl who took them! LOL :) Again, another just incredible episode. I know this one was long but it was so rich in detail. I really can't wait to see how this whole Tess storyline plays out, how and if the relationships(all of them) will survive and what role Valenti and Nasedo will play.This show just keeps getting better and better. Let's hope our efforts to keep it alive weren't in vain and that the WB opens their eyes to what an amazing show it has! Take care all. Gina :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "...These things I should keep to myself, but I feel somehow strangely compelled. Under moonlight I stood wild and naked. Felt no shame just my spirit awakened..." Neil Finn "...I'll fly over a rainbow, I'll be sun kissed. I'll sail around the planet Venus and send a long letter way back home that says all that I know is the blue sky..." 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Another comment to add...Gina..I totally = started=20 bursting out laughing when the gang pulled up in the jetta (aka mystery=20 machine)..Even though It was a suspenseful moment, I could not help = myself..LOL=20 ~Mel
 
"F) Is it me or does the Pod Squad = really need=20 to take some lessons from the Scooby Gang? Could they have been more = obvious=20 standing outside of Tess's house? I was cracking up. I was waiting for = Michael=20 or Alex to hold up a sign that said, "We're out here watching you" = :)"
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From:=20 owner-roswell@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-roswell@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 kaycomp
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:17 = PM
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Subject: [roswell] SPOILERS: Thoughts = and=20 Observations about "Tess, Lies and Videotape"

Hey Guys,
 
Well, there it was. The episode that we Max and = Liz=20 'shippers(dreamers) have been dreading for a long time. Though many of = you=20 like Tess and relish in the thought of someone, anyone, coming between = Max and=20 Liz, I have to admit that this one hurt. Putting the relationship = stuff aside=20 for now though, I have to say that I really thought this episode was=20 brilliant. Absolutely brilliant I was on the edge of my seat the = entire time=20 despite the fact that I had read some of the spoilers and saw some of = the=20 clips beforehand. It seemed this episode was even faster in pace than = "Crazy"=20 and really incorporated some of the big issues that have permeated the = season.=20 Roswell really is just great. Never have I been so emotionally and=20 intellectually fascinated by a television show. It is a real testament = to the=20 cast and crew that it continues to expand upon itself and improve. I = am really=20 loving the new direction the show is taking especially since they're = still=20 utilizing all of the things I loved and bringing them to such a = heightened,=20 almost frenzied, crescendo. Anyhoo, here are some thoughts and=20 observations:
 
1) Tess: Let's just get this out = of the=20 way. I've tried to like her. I swear I have. I think Emilie is = adorable and a=20 real "firecracker." I just think that her character is so blatantly = out of=20 place on the show that she sticks out like a sore thumb(and not in a = good=20 way). All of the teens and adults in Roswell are sort of tortured. = They all=20 have big issues and are all pretty subdued in manner. Though I would = think=20 Tess would be a breath of fresh air in contrast to that, she really = doesn't do=20 it for me. I think a lot of it has to do with my not really = understanding why=20 Isabel has gravitated towards her. By all accounts, Tess seems as = shallow and=20 self-centered as all of the other "friends" that Isabel has shunned. = It just=20 doesn't seem right to me. Perhaps she is under the same spell that Max = seems=20 to be under but it still seems forced. Surely they could have = introduced her=20 in a more realistic manner.
 
2) Max and Liz: Ah, this is = another reason=20 that I absolutely love this show. Though I'm not dating an = alien(though some=20 of my ex-boyfriends have me wondering whether they're from Planet = A-hole)I can=20 totally relate to thinking that you know someone implicitly only to = realize=20 that that may never really be possible. I think we all can relate. = Needless to=20 say, I feel for Liz in a big way. The shoe dropped, the "s" hit the = fan and=20 she never even saw it coming.

Surprisingly, I also = really felt for=20 Max at times tonight too. That kiss that he planted on Liz during the = opening=20 scene at the Crashdown was so desperate. It was like by kissing her, = he would=20 somehow cleanse himself of all of the impure thoughts he was having = about=20 Tess. My question is, how do you fight yourself? How do you fight how = you=20 feel? It's not easy for humans and it certainly is going to be damn = near=20 impossible when you throw in alien history, the search for your past = and=20 yourself and a possible forgotten or unknown connection to someone, in = this=20 case a beautiful young girl.
 
That rain kiss between Tess and Max with Liz = looking on was=20 nothing short of brutal. And to be honest, it was the first time that = I really=20 didn't like Max. It's funny, on the surface, the problems that Liz and = Max=20 seem to be having are so banal but underneath they are steeped in=20 complication. If you didn't know them, you would think it was just = another=20 case of a straying boyfriend. Funny.
 
3) Max and Michael: This = relationship=20 really is slowly deteriorating, isn't it? It seems that each week, = something=20 happens to tear them further and further apart. I thought it was = terribly sad=20 when Michael emphasized that he "USED to admire Max" It's like when = you're a=20 kid and you idolize your parents and you think they're the smartest, = bravest=20 people in the world. Then you grow up and you realize they're just = human.=20 That's what I kind of feel is happening to Michael and Max. Michael is = growing=20 more independent and making decisions, good and bad, on his own = without=20 informing Max. We have to hope that the growing pains don't tear them = up to a=20 point where the damage is irreparable.
 
4) Maria and Liz : Though I'm not = the=20 biggest Michael and Maria 'shipper, I do love these characters = individually. I=20 do have to say that Maria RULES!! I loved how she did the best friend = thing by=20 warning Liz about Tess and how shady she appears to be. I also really = loved=20 how she comforted a crying Liz by declaring emphatically that Max was = a jerk!=20 Amen sister! Maria's the kind of person you want to have on your side. = She's=20 the real deal. A friend to the end. It's always cool when someone like = Maria=20 "has got your back." Great portrayal of their friendship tonight. The = only=20 thing that would have made it even better would to have included Alex = in the=20 mix. He's known them forever and it would have been nice to see the = three=20 aliens bond like we so often see their alien counterparts = do.
 
5) Michael and Liz: What an = amazing=20 surprise to see Michael defend Liz. He had this really protective = thing going=20 on with her and I for one LOVED it. I loved how he lit into Max about=20 betraying Liz and how Michael was the first to want to rescue Liz from = Tess=20 and her dad. Michael really stepped up to the plate tonight and was a = man.=20 Nice growth of characterization!
 
6) Liz: Again, I am completely = biased but I=20 thought Shiri was fantastic tonight. She broke my heart with just a = look as=20 she stood by the Crashdown doors and watched the man that she loves, = kiss=20 another girl. She was also just incredibly moving when she ignored Max = and=20 then confronted him by the lockers in the backroom of the restaurant. = I could=20 literally feel her pain. Liz has been so good about everything so far = and it=20 was great to just see her breakdown and feel. Just completely feel = with her=20 heart only. Shiri was just amazing. Were you guys feeling her too?=20
 
7) Max: I think Max is trying to = battle=20 Angel for most tortured soul :) . Jason always astounds me with the = depth that=20 he brings to his character but tonight he was just so "on". He hated = himself=20 for what he was feeling. He hated himself for what he was doing to Liz = and yet=20 he couldn't deny that he was intrigued by Tess. I thought it was very = telling=20 that he said to Liz that it was "more than just attraction", implying = that=20 there is an attraction there to Tess. Though I screamed "what an ass" = a few=20 times to the screen when he was on, I did sympathize with him. He is = as=20 confused as everyone else is by what's happening and it's fascinating = to watch=20 this completely controlled person, become undone. Jason rocks=20 again.
 
8)Valenti and the Gang: I = personally am=20 loving the Valenti as ally thing. He still weirded me out a bit but I = think he=20 is genuinely scared for Max, Isabel and Michael. I'm still a little = shaken by=20 him speaking to Max so frankly about things that have been hidden for = so long=20 but I guess he's trying to get Max to admit who he is. Returning the = orb was a=20 great way to try and win the trust of the aliens and I can't wait to = see how=20 that pans out.Gotta love Valenti and gotta love William. He=20 rules!
 
9) Destiny, fate and where does love fit=20 in?: I think it was Mala on the boards who made this great=20 distinction between fate and destiny.(Mala, If you're reading this, = please=20 elaborate) For me, destiny implies a pre-determined plan while fate is = more=20 accidental or coincidental. In many ways, I think at least, destiny = can be=20 changed by fate. I think fate can sneak up on us and change the course = of=20 things in a heartbeat. That destiny is only pre-determined to the = extent that=20 it is what is "supposed" to happen as opposed to "fate" which might = not have=20 been planned but can open the pathway to a new destiny. In this case, = when Max=20 said that it was "fate" that brought him and Liz together, I really = started=20 thinking about the whole destiny, fate debate and where love fits into = all of=20 this. Are Liz and Max fated to be together? They love each other = that's easy=20 to see but do they belong together in the grander scheme of things. = I'm sure=20 Max was destined to be with another alien(whether that proves to be = Tess in=20 the future is another story) but was it fate that brought him to Liz? = Since=20 the moment he saw her in the 3rd grade, he loved her. Was that fate? = Was that=20 destiny? And can love change one or both of those things? I'm not = really sure=20 but I would love to hear what you guys think?
 
Other things I = noticed:
A) What was the deal with Michael pulling Max and = Isabel=20 aside to tell them that Tess's house was empty. I can't believe he = reverted=20 back to the 3 and 3 formation.
B) Line of the night: "Oooh, I'm as flat as I = thought I=20 was"-Maria. She cracks me up!!
C) Second line of the night: "Everything I see = with me eyes=20 tells me he's cheating on me but everything in my heart tells me he's=20 not"-Liz. That is love.
D) And speaking of love, how great was it to hear = Liz=20 declare her love for Max. Sure he wasn' there to hear it but as a = dreamgirl, I=20 was so happy!!! :D :D :D
E) HALLELUJAH: I couldn't believe that = Kyle was=20 finally on the screen, albeit briefly. Did any of you look around for = the four=20 horsemen and other signs of the apocalypse? LOL :) It was good to see = him=20 back. I also thought it was our lucky night because Kyle and Alex were = on in=20 the same episode. I guess the rumors about the budgetary constrictions = of=20 having both of them on together were erroneous LOL! :)
F) Is it me or does the Pod Squad really need to = take some=20 lessons from the Scooby Gang? Could they have been more obvious = standing=20 outside of Tess's house? I was cracking up. I was waiting for Michael = or Alex=20 to hold up a sign that said, "We're out here watching you" :)
G) Is = it me=20 or is Tess's father the creepiest dude on the planet? What's the deal = with=20 that?
H) Isabel's head on Alex, Maria on Michael's = chest...too=20 sweet.
 
Shallow post of the week:
I am = so loving=20 Maria's new haircut. It looks great on Majandra! The guys looked = really hot,=20 especially Jason in that t-shirt(look at those arms!!!) and the shirt = he wore=20 during the first kiss with Liz at the Crashdown. Umm, it kills me to = say it=20 but that Tess and Max lab table scene was hot. Jason is so the man! Oh = and how=20 cute were the pics of Jason in the box at Tess's house? I thought for = sure it=20 was  a dreamgirl who took them! LOL :)
 
Again, another just incredible episode. I know = this one was=20 long but it was so rich in detail. I really can't wait to see how this = whole=20 Tess storyline plays out, how and if the relationships(all of them) = will=20 survive and what role Valenti and Nasedo will play.This show just = keeps=20 getting better and better. Let's hope our efforts to keep it alive = weren't in=20 vain and that the WB opens their eyes to what an amazing show it has!=20

Take care all. Gina = :)
 
 
 
 
 
 
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      and naked. = Felt no=20 shame just my spirit awakened..."   Neil Finn
 
"...I'll fly over a rainbow, I'll = be sun=20 kissed. I'll sail around the planet Venus and send a long letter way = back=20 home
     that says all that I know is the blue = sky..."    Patty Griffin
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