From: owner-roswell-digest@lists.xmission.com (roswell-digest) To: roswell-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roswell-digest V1 #52 Reply-To: roswell-digest Sender: owner-roswell-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roswell-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roswell-digest Friday, July 14 2000 Volume 01 : Number 052 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:29:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan D." Subject: [roswell] Rant Response (Not for the Faint of Heart) Ms. Dunston, Really, wasn't trying to provoke or entice you into a "battle" so to speak, but I think you took my comments a little too personally. I wasn't trying to put you down or make you feel bad about what you had written. I was simply asking to treat what you brought up (it was *you* that brought the topic up and not anyone else) with a little respect. You didn't do that. The e-mail you posted to get back at me, for lack of better words, is equally disrespectful. I'm sorry that I'm cutting up your e-mail, but I wanted to respond to each and everything you said. I didn't pull any punches here, but, in my opinion, neither did you. - --- Marti Dunston wrote: > Ryan, > > response to your 1st paragraph: > > Roswell is a great TV show. But it's a TV show! > Maybe this is my fault. Perhaps I was too vague in > my attempt at writing a > humorous and entertaining post. I got carried away > and I forgot not > everyone is aware of these character's as actors. > It's like this you see, > who cares who runs the restaurant when it's off > camera (or as you referred > to it, "when we >aren't seeing Liz running the > restaurant)? There is no > restaurant. It's a plot device. I didn't say anything that contridicted that. I was merely stating my opinion, which didn't criticize yours in any way. Maybe you're taking what I think a little too personally. > response to your 2nd paragraph: > > :RANT: > > How insensitive of you to swing a smackdown at > someone you know nothing about! > > Firstly, the "bomb in the garage" I referred to was > about Illinois! > Secondly, it was an example, along with two other > incidents, to make a > point about the Roswell 'topic' under discussion. > In no way was I > exploiting, or referring to, any particular incident > in recent history. Actually, you brought up a point that had nothing to do with what was being discussed. We were talking about the kids parents being absent, which you somehow related to violence. None of the kids are violent or have violence-prone personalities, so I don't see how your example is relevant. If you were referring to the incident in Illinois as you say, you were "referring to... (a) particular incident in recent history." You contradict yourself. > Geez Ryan, I didn't even know bombs had been used in > the Columbine High > School Incident in Littleton, Colorado (aha, I did > some research). You did some research? This is common knowledge! This was on the television every night for over a month! You state a PC proper name and expect me to, what? Commend your intelligence? I think everyone reading this post knew what you want a pat on the back for saying. > In all > the news reports I read the assailants were referred > to as the "gunmen" and > the "shooters". I had to dig a little to discover > that the assailants had > also made pipe bombs and something called a "20 lb. > propane bomb". Again, this was on the news. Your "digging" isn't that impressive. It implies you actually uncovered something that is not general knowledge. > I confess I quit digging after that so I don't > really know if anyone was > killed by a bomb, or if they made their bombs in a > garage. My mind is > tickled, tee hee, about some reference to an > informal shooting range way > out from town? But the tickles don't help the > memory much, just irritate > it! Most of the references seemed to indicate the > victims were shot by > "low quality weapons" (shotguns and pistols). That > was a lot more > information than I needed to know, but, it was all > there for anyone to find. If it was for anyone to find, you really didn't "dig" it up, did you? > (Additionally, there were some very sensitive and > nurturing memorial sites > dedicated to the incident. I'm sure they were > developed as a cathartic > exercise for survivors, family's of victims, and > anyone traumatized, or in > otherwise affected, by this dreadful incident. If > you are still so > strongly affected by this incident after 1 year and > 2 months, you might > want to check them out.) Excuse me, but you are out of line in this instance. On my website, I have a small editorial about the Columbine tragedy. The fact that you tell me I "might want to check them out" is a rude and uninformed statement. I obviously care a lot more than you do. > Also, I made three separate references to (fairly) > recent crimes committed > by adolescents. > Do you realize how you denigrate the other incidents > by only mentioning one > of them? > Are the other crimes less horrific because they mean > nothing to you? I never said that. You think by putting words in my mouth you make me out to be a bad guy. I thought you were referring to Columbine, which you weren't and I'm sorry I thought you did. Really, it doesn't matter if it was Columbine or not. Your flippancy and non chalance about this topic proves you don't really care as much as you say you do. This is a serious topic and your writing "tee hee" in the middle of your paragraphs. > You stated "we have to accept this event and move > on.". Who is not > accepting the event here Ryan? I have accepted it. That why I said that. I'm sorry that you do not. > Do you really think the rest of the world should > just not mention it ever > again? Is that how you hope to teach your children > some day? Again, you are out of line. I said that we should not dwell in the event, not ignore it. You're putting words in my mouth agaIN. > I am sorry for your pain. But do you really think > policing what people say > is the right way to deal with it? > Would you like to enforce censorship on all > unpleasant subjects? You just continue with something you misinterpreted. I never said that. Read between the lines. I believe in freedom of speech. Even someone as uneducated as you is entitled to their opinion. > Finally, if you must point out to everyone that > someone has "indirectly" > made a reference to something you don't like and > that you don't > "appreciate" it, try to inject some humor, or at > least colorful references > into your 'smackdowns'. How about cliches? Sugar > coating helps the > medicine go down, you can catch more flies with > honey, etc. Or better yet, > think them over first and then decide if you really > want that nasty > foot-in-the-mouth taste that follows when we share > our prejudices with the > world, or, 'er, list. I'm glad that the deaths of several innocent people help "the medicine go down" for you. I don't find it funny that people have to suffer so that you can "inject some humor." > P.S. Please flame me off list. Show some respect > for the other LISTeners. > Also, it's draining be this coherent for longer than > 50 words or more...I'm > pooped. > > :OFF RANT: To all the other listees, I apologize. I felt that I had to respond to this attack even though I should have probably ignored. I hope you read what I've written and can see my perspective. Ms Dunston, unfortunetly, can not. > At 04:26 AM 7/7/00 -0700, you wrote: > > You brought up how Liz's parents trust her, > >something I'm sure they do with the restaurant. We > see > >Liz running the restaurant a lot, but I think it's > >pretty much an after-school job for her. We only > see a > >short fraction of what the characters do when we > see > >an hour long show, so you have to assume that when > we > >aren't seeing Liz running the restaurant, that's > when > >her parents are. > > > >> Sadly, in 'real life', there are lots of families > >> where there is no need > >> for subterfuge or trust. The parents just > couldn't > >> care less where or what > >> their children are into. Making a bomb in the > >> garage, ordering automatic > >> guns, cutting up the neighbor's daughter for > >> convenient disposal, are all > >> recent examples of our society's 'lack of > parental > >> involvement' with their > >> children. Brrr. > > > > You kind of indirectly brought up the Columbine > >incident with the "bomb in the garage" comment > which I > >am kind of disappointed in. It's been over a year, > and > >I think that we have to accept this event and move > on. > >It's probably the only way we can move forward. > > I'm speaking personally, but I didn't really > >appreciate the reference. > > > >===== > >-Ryan > > Marti > ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ > I've never really made a conscious effort > to collect books. I accumulate them; I don't collect > them. > - Neal Stephenson > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for > help and info. > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:44:55 +1200 From: Alison Subject: Re: [roswell] OT-Roswell: Warning-Rant about Ryan's 'smackdown' >Roswell is a great TV show. But it's a TV show! >Maybe this is my fault. Perhaps I was too vague in my attempt at writing a >humorous and entertaining post. I got carried away and I forgot not >everyone is aware of these character's as actors. It's like this you see, >who cares who runs the restaurant when it's off camera (or as you referred >to it, "when we >aren't seeing Liz running the restaurant)? There is no >restaurant. It's a plot device. But in the world of the TV show, there IS a restaurant - and in that world, when Liz isn't running the restaurant, someone else IS. Part of the audience expectation to any TV show or movie is that something else is always happening in the offscreen space. There is no unattended set, there are no actors taking a lunch break. TV shows create a "world" - and if they didn't create that world, they would fail at their purpose of drawing in an audience and making that audience feel comfortable. So the comment about "who cares who runs the restaurant" isn't really relevant. It may be a plot device, but still, a world has been created, and in that world... life goes on! This isn't a personal flame, just my opinion on the topic... Alison - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:29:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan D." Subject: [roswell] Michael Meeting Denied Hey everybody. Sorry again for the whole fight back and forth thing that was going on. It's my fault for keeping it going, I guess. Anyway, I live in New Hampshire so I was going to go into Mass. to meet Brendon Fehr at Six Flags. Emphasize on the *was going* to. I couldn't get a ride. It's just really sad. I was wondering if anybody did live in Mass. and got to go? I cherish the story about who a few listees got to meet Jason Behr, so any other "close encounter" stories would be great! I swear, I'm going to meet somebody from Roswell, dammit! :-) ===== - -Ryan (who else?) "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat, "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here." ...Lewis Carroll __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:26:17 -0500 From: "Mike Stone" Subject: [roswell] Heat Wave I'm surprised no one had any comments (so far) on Heat Wave yesterday. Of course, I've always felt this was more of a 'filler' episode and it's probably the type of episode the network is wanting the show to get away from. Still, if there's anything that really makes that episode worth watching, it's the Isabel/Alex dream-walk scene. It was nice, also, to see some parental units having some kind of story to them. This episode also had quite a few good songs in it, which I missed in the last couple of episodes that were a little more devoid of music. (Thank goodness for Napster!) ;-) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:25:47 EDT From: Lavenda99@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] Heat Wave In a message dated 07/11/2000 1:20:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mikestone65@home.com writes: << http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ >> please take me off list for a while -- from august 1st till november 1st as I will not have access till my computer till then-or just cancell my e-mails and i will re-join when i get back thanks lavenda99@aol.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:31:11 EDT From: DaniLynn27@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] Heat Wave This was actually my first time viewing of "Heat Wave". I was really a spotty Roswell watcher til about March, so I'm using this summer to fill in all the gaps and to actually add visuals to what I read at the Crashdown. I really liked this episode . . I'm not sure if I'd call it "filler" because it established the Liz/Max relationship as something concrete and also involved Alex's finally finding out the secret, even though he doesn't believe. I really like that "I believe that you believe line". The whole scene in the jail from Liz telling him to Alex standing up to Valenti really worked for me. And I was glad to see the show had actually addressed in some way the fact that it seemed odd that it was okay for Michael to kiss Maria but not for Max to kiss Liz. I was nitpicking at that before I saw the ep, but now I feel much better :) Dani DaniLynn27@aol.com Get Home Before Dark - www.gethomebeforedark.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:43:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chantel Reynolds Subject: Re: [roswell] Heat Wave I really liked being to rewatch this episode because it reminded me of things I'd forgotten during the rest of the season. 1. I had forgotten about Isabel 'knowing' that they needed to let Alex in on the secret, because they would better off including him. That really points to later episodes where he was important. In Balance, when Michael is so sick, the circle they formed would have been incomplete without Alex--it took everyone's involvement to save Michael. 2. I suddenly remembered that Michael had been concerned about hurting Maria all along and had acknowledged that perhaps it wasn't a good idea to get involved. I find those moments funny; the minute you start to wonder if you should 'get involved', you probably already are. Dani, I have a question. You said : > And I was glad to see the show had actually > addressed in some way the fact > that it seemed odd that it was okay for Michael to > kiss Maria but not for Max > to kiss Liz. I was nitpicking at that before I saw > the ep, but now I feel > much better :) I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you talking about the scene in the Crashdown where Michael kisses Maria to 'calm her down' and how Max is always so careful with Liz? I'm confused, but I'd like to understand because you bring up an important point. Michael and Maria threw themselves headlong into this relationship, without a lot of thought to the consequences, whereas Max and Liz move excruciatingly slow sometimes. Chantel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:13:11 EDT From: DaniLynn27@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] Heat Wave << I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you talking about the scene in the Crashdown where Michael kisses Maria to 'calm her down' and how Max is always so careful with Liz? I'm confused, but I'd like to understand because you bring up an important point. Michael and Maria threw themselves headlong into this relationship, without a lot of thought to the consequences, whereas Max and Liz move excruciatingly slow sometimes. >> I was talking about the scene in the bathroom with Max and Michael, and then Michael later telling Maria "I don't get this intense . . I'm alone, that's how it's gotta be." Before this episode, I hadn't seen an early scene where Michael is actually concerned about the ramifications of dating Maria. I probably just started watching regularly during the final seven or eight episodes of the season, where Michael and Maria had already been established. So to me, I was always wondering if they'd brought it up in the beginning, because caution was always so prevalent with Max/Liz, it seemed strange to me that it wasn't with Michael/Maria, so I was glad to see that it had been brought up at one point. Max was afraid to even kiss Liz, yet Michael just seemed to kiss Maria without a second thought. I guess it just chalked up to personality differences. Max is "look before you leap" and Michael is "Do now, think later". Dani DaniLynn27@aol.com Get Home Before Dark - www.gethomebeforedark.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:14:45 EDT From: DaniLynn27@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] Heat Wave << I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you talking about the scene in the Crashdown where Michael kisses Maria to 'calm her down' and how Max is always so careful with Liz? I'm confused, but I'd like to understand because you bring up an important point. Michael and Maria threw themselves headlong into this relationship, without a lot of thought to the consequences, whereas Max and Liz move excruciatingly slow sometimes. >> I was talking about the scene in the bathroom with Max and Michael, and then Michael later telling Maria "I don't get this intense . . I'm alone, that's how it's gotta be." Before this episode, I hadn't seen an early scene where Michael is actually concerned about the ramifications of dating Maria. I probably just started watching regularly during the final seven or eight episodes of the season, where Michael and Maria had already been established. So to me, I was always wondering if they'd brought it up in the beginning, because caution was always so prevalent with Max/Liz, it seemed strange to me that it wasn't with Michael/Maria, so I was glad to see that it had been brought up at one point. Max was afraid to even kiss Liz, yet Michael just seemed to kiss Maria without a second thought. I guess it just chalked up to personality differences. Max is "look before you leap" and Michael is "Do now, think later". Dani DaniLynn27@aol.com Get Home Before Dark - www.gethomebeforedark.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:40:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Chantel Reynolds Subject: Re: [roswell] Heat Wave Oh, okay. Now I understand, and I agree with you completely..... It does seem to be a personality difference between the two guys. And of course, these differences come back to haunt them both. Chantel > So to me, I was always wondering if they'd brought > it up in the beginning, > because caution was always so prevalent with > Max/Liz, it seemed strange to me > that it wasn't with Michael/Maria, so I was glad to > see that it had been > brought up at one point. Max was afraid to even kiss > Liz, yet Michael just > seemed to kiss Maria without a second thought. I > guess it just chalked up to > personality differences. Max is "look before you > leap" and Michael is "Do > now, think later". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:59:23 -0700 (PDT) From: ~!shayla!~ Subject: [roswell] jason behr..buffy.. hi everyone, i ust read the buffy script "lie to me" which stared jason behr as billy fordom...i have never scene the episode but just reading the script made me see it picture perfect...his character was alittle strange..and kind...has anyone actually scene the episode??? i know i have but barely remember it... have a good day and night everyone!!! shayla Have a great day!!! from~~~~~Alienshay2484 talk to you soon! ___________________________________________________ GO Network Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:59:29 PDT From: "Kelly Girl" Subject: Re: [roswell] Heat Wave hey all, well for me i liked "heat wave" well i liked it cuz max was so wonderful (words/lines) and cute. ummm? sorry list mummies.... this list is not about how *cute* someone is. last nights ep seemed like a *fluff* ep, it did the first time i saw it and thanx to my *convert* i *saw* it the way i first viewed it (ummmm, i still think max is a hottie). okay, you guys are familiar with my 48 yr old convert (?) and she luvs to discuss (the next day) mondays ep of roswell. she usually gushes about how wonderful it is and WHAT is going to happen next (i usually am tight lipped about that). today she was so totally dissapointed about "heat wave"..... her words were " last nights ep reminded me of 90210, but on a junior high level. i wanted and expected more about the *aliens*." again tight lipped i let her know that the re-runs of roswell are not in order, and be patient .... heheeee, i know she will tune in next monday.... "heat wave" has not *tarnished* the show for her, as apparently it has not for the rest of us . kelly ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:25:19 -0500 From: "Mike Stone" Subject: RE: [roswell] jason behr..buffy.. > i ust read the buffy script "lie to me" which stared jason behr > ...has anyone actually scene the episode??? I have, and have had the opportunity to have seen it again recently. The thing is, we're really not mean to like the 'Ford' character that Behr played, and I don't recall that it was a favorite among 'Buff-a-holics.' Basically it helped establish that Buffy was alone and could not trust even some of her closest friends, as Ford had once been. Still, one can't help be somewhat sympathetic to his character. He had some kind of terminal brain cancer and was going to die unless, as he believed, he became a vampire. If you don't mind me SPOILING it bit for anyone who hasn't seen it; he gets his wish in the end, and he gets it in the end. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:13:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan D." Subject: Re: [roswell] Heat Wave When I converted my friend Emily, we took out three days over April vacation to re-watch all the episodes (except the end of "Blind Date"- which got cut off when I rand out of tape). At her brithday party last night, a whole bunch of her basketball team friends watched Roswell with us, but they started with "Heat Wave." Call me a baby but I didn't think it was fair. When someone is converted, they should begin with the first epiosde and then have to suffer through those 9 long episodes before Max and Liz kiss. Is that too much to expect? ===== - -Ryan (who else?) "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat, "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here." ...Lewis Carroll __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Chantel Reynolds Subject: Re: [roswell] Heat Wave Ryan, I completely agree. My convert hasn't seen Heat Wave yet, and he's going nuts with the excruciating slowness of Max and Liz. I get a sly grin on my face every time he complains. It's only fair that he suffer through the same things the rest of us did. Chantel - --- "Ryan D." wrote: > When I converted my friend Emily, we took out three > days over April vacation to re-watch all the > episodes > (except the end of "Blind Date"- which got cut off > when I rand out of tape). At her brithday party last > night, a whole bunch of her basketball team friends > watched Roswell with us, but they started with "Heat > Wave." > > Call me a baby but I didn't think it was fair. When > someone is converted, they should begin with the > first > epiosde and then have to suffer through those 9 long > episodes before Max and Liz kiss. Is that too much > to > expect? > > > ===== > -Ryan > (who else?) > > "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat, "We're all > mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." > "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. > "You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have > come here." > ...Lewis Carroll > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for > help and info. > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:10:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan D." Subject: [roswell] More Club "Encounters" hey everybody! Once again, I'm shouting out my "Crashdown Encounters" Yahoo! site at: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/crashdownencounters I'm beginning an Interactive Story that I true Roswellians to contribute to. There's no finer Roswellians than the ones on this mailing list. If you don't have a Yahoo! ID to join the club, you can do so at http://www.yahoo.com Thanks to the couple of members who joined after my first post! It means a lot! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:11:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan D." Subject: Re: [roswell] Heat Wave Thanks Chantel. You rock :-) - --- Chantel Reynolds wrote: > Ryan, > > I completely agree. My convert hasn't seen Heat Wave > yet, and he's going nuts with the excruciating > slowness of Max and Liz. I get a sly grin on my > face > every time he complains. It's only fair that he > suffer through the same things the rest of us did. > > Chantel > > --- "Ryan D." wrote: > > When I converted my friend Emily, we took out > three > > days over April vacation to re-watch all the > > episodes > > (except the end of "Blind Date"- which got cut off > > when I rand out of tape). At her brithday party > last > > night, a whole bunch of her basketball team > friends > > watched Roswell with us, but they started with > "Heat > > Wave." > > > > Call me a baby but I didn't think it was fair. > When > > someone is converted, they should begin with the > > first > > epiosde and then have to suffer through those 9 > long > > episodes before Max and Liz kiss. Is that too much > > to > > expect? > > > > > > ===== > > -Ryan > > (who else?) > > > > "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat, "We're > all > > mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." > > "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. > > "You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have > > come here." > > ...Lewis Carroll > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from > > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for > > help and info. > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for > help and info. > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:19:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Chantel Reynolds Subject: [roswell] campaign strategies Just to let folks know, There are several campaign suggestions in the works for following-up the Tabasco blitz from the spring. Right now the front runners seem to be: 1. a silver handprint on black paper with Roswell: We Still Believe (or We Believe) on the paper, sent to the same addresses the fans used before. 2. an 'orb' mailed to WB as well. Instructions for making the orbs are at the NORoswellCancellation egroup, but the upshot is getting some arts and crafts easter egg kind of things and spray painting them silvery, then tracing the alien glyph symbol onto it. The biggest debate seems to be timing for mailing all this in. Some people have suggested starting a wave in late September/early October to coincide with the season premiere, and then perhaps a second wave in November after the initial ratings have come in. The idea would be to marry these two campaigns together somehow. Anyway, fanforum asked that those of us on bigger mailing lists start postings these ideas and rounding up support. You can go visit the Roswell2 board and look for the silver handprint campaign thread for more information. Just doing my part.... Chantel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:10:31 -0400 (EDT) From: JTV Subject: [roswell] Parent and Columbine...? I don't think this person indirectly brought up the Columbine shooting. You simply inferred what was written back to the incident. I totally feel for the families, friends, and associates of those whose lives were DIRECTLY affected by the events in Columbine. If people keep inferring that everything said or written by someone "indirectly" refers to Columbine, that horrible period of time, and its aftermath will always overshadow everything. Sure, forgetting what happened will be impossible, but we also must not water down its effect. - ------Original Message------ From: "Ryan D." To: roswell@lists.xmission.com Sent: July 7, 2000 11:26:23 AM GMT Subject: [roswell] Parent and Columbine > their children are into. Making a bomb in the > garage, You kind of indirectly brought up the Columbine incident with the "bomb in the garage" comment which I am kind of disappointed in. It's been over a year, and I think that we have to accept this event and move on. It's probably the only way we can move forward. I'm speaking personally, but I didn't really appreciate the reference. ===== - -Ryan (who else?) "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat, "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here." ...Lewis Carroll __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:21:05 -0400 (EDT) From: JTV Subject: [roswell] Peanuts Factor...? In many of the WB's shows, the parents aren't major players. Maybe the writers feel that having the parents play a bigger role in these program will either take away viewers, create writer's block, force them to write on more topics facing us youngins today, create huge budgets, and the like... I think all these writers are Charles Schultz fans, who may have had one of the most popular story lines of all times. jtv - ------Original Message------ From: Chantel Reynolds To: roswell@lists.xmission.com Sent: July 6, 2000 3:38:06 PM GMT Subject: Re: [roswell] parents haven't a clue In early episodes, the parents were *much* more visible, and there were other waitresses at the Crashdown--Agnes comes to mind. But you're right; the parents just haven't been around much lately. Now, www.roswellscripts.com has the original scripts from season one, complete with the stuff they edited out for time. And the Destiny script does contain a reference to all the parents freaking out over all six (Tess's "parent" knew where she was) kids disappearing, which several people on the boards thought would have added a nice touch. Maybe it's me, but does anybody remember the parents being around much post-Sexual Healing? And given the way Max's and Liz's parents reacted to *those* activities, it would have done a lot for reality if we'd seen something about Max's parents losing it when he disappeared from the carnival. *sigh* Oh well, we rarely saw much of the parents in Buffy's world either.... Chantel - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 05:50:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan D." Subject: Re: [roswell] Peanuts Factor...? - --- JTV wrote: > In many of the WB's shows, the parents aren't major > players. Maybe the > writers feel that having the parents play a bigger > role in these program > will either take away viewers, create writer's > block, force them to write on > more topics facing us youngins today, create huge > budgets, and the like... Um, actually the show would tend to focus on the *stars*. Since the parents aren't the stars of the show and the show doesn't focus on them, they wouldn't be major players. I think it's more to a directed audience. Teens watch shows about teens. Adults watch shows about adults. "Once and Again" on ABC Monday nights is kind of a revolutionary show in that it has over a dozen characters, teens and adults, and each week they focus on only one or two people. I think it's better to focus on the same few people for one show, even though I really love "Once and Again." The Snoopy reference is cute, but I don't think the reason the writers of Roswell and other teen shows leave out the parents in ever episode because they are Charles Schultz fans. Although, anything's possible :-) ===== - -Ryan (who else?) "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat, "We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here." ...Lewis Carroll __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of roswell-digest V1 #52 **************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. ----------------------------------------------------------------