From: owner-roswell-digest@lists.xmission.com (roswell-digest) To: roswell-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: roswell-digest V1 #63 Reply-To: roswell-digest Sender: owner-roswell-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-roswell-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk roswell-digest Tuesday, October 31 2000 Volume 01 : Number 063 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:37:35 EDT From: PrincessTea00@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] OMG! ep 10-23-00,slight spoilers In a message dated 10/24/00 1:33:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mikestone65@home.com writes: << The show has definitely pumped up it's sci-fi, i.e., with the glowing aliens and the granolith thingy. I'm curious if everyone is liking this change, or if the show needs to stay on track with the relationships? >> ok i like the sci-fi stuff and all but i do kinda miss the relationship parts. What i really wanna know is why have they just forgotten about isabel and alex? they had like 2 scenes with them! i enjoyed alex's witty comments and i miss them! hopefully they'll bring him back into the show. *tea* "what are they doing in there?" "passing the mashed potatoes." ~isabel->alex, tess, lies, and videotape - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Emily--with a "y" Subject: RE: [roswell] OMG! ep 10-23-00,slight spoilers Oh, come on, the Southern accents were s'posed to be fake! Still, Shiri and Emilie both did a horrible job trying to sound Southern. However, I felt Majandra did a very entertaining fake Southern accent--who cares if it was obviously not real? It was still cool. Now I have heard Katherine pull off a fake Southern accent before (as Miranda Prosper in "The Tempest"), but she didn't even attempt one in the episode, which was disappointing. Another thing--why were only the chicks Southern? And did Nick even speak? I mean, he hauled Majandra off the crash site, and he showed up in Katherine's place, but did he say anything? Oh, well, it was less psychologically damaging than "Surprise," so that makes me like it. Next week looks really bad, though! Max comes back from the future, and he's a scrub--yuck! I don't like scrubby Max; I like short hair, clean-shaven Max. Anyway, that's it from this girl. Later days. == ~Emily (but then you probably knew that...) "Some people are just pigs."~Liz Parker... Isabel Evans _____________________________________________________________ Email Powered by Everyone.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:32:50 EDT From: Jillybean2060@aol.com Subject: [roswell] what??!! Hey you guys, i'm totally into all your opinions but what are you talking about!? I loved the 1947 ep, it was extremely cool. (you should see me when i watched for the 1st time. . i was like flipping out) well i'm a total sci fi chick so whatever roswell is doing i'm overjoyed by it!! I think that all the characters did great in the 1947 ep, cept for tess. . .why do they always have to make her a nitwit!! any way i thought majandra did great as betty and shiri as the nurse, colin. . . the first time i saw his 47 character, i was like on the floor laughing, first he's stripping next thing we know he spouting orders. . . and to max and michael for that matter. . . o and kyle said "yes sir" i think thats about it. . . haha funny quotes here are some funny quotes i heard in the 47 ep, mind the spelling and if i get something wrong. . . ( i didn't have my cc on and the transcript isnt up at the cd.com yet) carver/michael:: was hot to trot. .::whistle:: <~too funny betty/maria:: to bury things. . <~ she said that when carver asked about the child sized coffins. . i just thought the way she said it was funny. nurse/liz:: i can't sleep captin. . .<~another funny accent thing carver/michael:: thats my girl <~before he kissed his girl. . . ::sudder:: corny well i could do alot more but i've got no time o and everyone is complaining about how there is no romance or relationships well next week looks like a relationship one to me!!! why yall complainin???? i know i'm going to love it!!! well i love everything but still i know it will be great!! Jill p.s. do you notice jason is the one who gets to play 2 characters alot. . .::max to the max, max and nasedo as max:: and ofcourse max and future max:: p.s.s.:: roswell has 4 more eps. . hooray p.s.s.s.:: aaaah dido is on vh1 right now. . .darnit its the end ::scofs:: - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:56:52 +0100 From: Colin Roth Subject: [roswell] Skins and confusion Hi, everyone! Thanks to Mike's kindness, I have been able to watch the first episode of Series 2, so what follows is my impression, partly a response to some of the things you've been saying on the list. The plot's predictably 'this is what we did last season', but they've changed the 'look' of the place a lot, giving it a modern shopping centre. Although I can understand them wanting to revise the 'look and feel' a bit, I wonder if the grim style isn't throwing at least one of the baby's limbs out with the bath water. In the first season, I felt as though these people were empathatic personalities, people I would like to have been friends with at that age - and the 'story' one I would have enjoyed being a participant in. Now the dry presentation makes them much more distant, more like people 'over there' and less attractive (despite what I'll say below about bodies); the 'identification' has been diminished, and for me, that's a loss. Contrary to the impression I'd got from some list comments, you have to wait right to the end to see JB take his shirt off, but once he does . . . I can't imagine why JB's effort (he must work *so* hard at that) was wasted last season! Brendan's hair has grown and he's obviously been working out, so now he looks like a chubby dweeb instead of a scrawny one. Isn't it lucky we've all got different taste? Mahjendra's (Maria's) hair has miraculously extended, and that contributes to an ageing process that makes her look like Marilyn Monroe pretending to be a school girl - absolutely sexy adult, no hint of childish innocence at all. Even Shiri, the first time we see her, looks very grown up with her hair not tied back, though she reverted to 'little school girl' more completely than anyone else - making her look (I thought) out of place, especially when she talks to Max about their relationship's sexual content. The characters seem to be schizoid about their age, both young *and* old - not convincing, for me. All the characters talk about having sex with each other (wanting to) in a pragmatic, adult way, not the yearning babyish way of Series 1 that was quite appealing - there's one particular encounter in the Crashdown cafe between Maria and Michael, where he's pulling slices off a pizza, and she's asking him if they can have sex please. He dismisses her fairly brutally - more character building stuff to differentiate him from 'Max' - but it jars when you hear that they're all going to pretend to go back to school in the next episode, and this is their 'end of holiday' party! There's an unresolved conflict, I think, between the original pitch of the programme as an 'isn't it weird and difficult to be a teenager' programme about emotions with a bit of sci-fi thrown in to make a good metaphorical structure for the arguments, and what's beginning here (if I'm reading the signals right): a harder-edged sci-fi programme (more like First Wave's second series - they made a similar shift with that, I think) that's got a team of characters who have back-stories that don't fit the new roles they're going to play. These characters need to be out of school, young adults, not kids - though my feeling about that is partly just a reaction to the way all the actors look now, all much more grown up than last year (except Brendan and Colin). There was one strand that unsettled me badly, and which - if it turns out to be one of the themes they want to explore - might scupper the series as one that can be sold into the British market. Nasedo (the shape-shifter) is written out in this first episode (he dies at the end) and his removal as a potential 'older, wiser' consultant figure is handled in a very strange way. There's a cross [angry] 'telephone call' he has with Michael, who is told that he mustn't be phoned about things with Max being consulted first; then there's a scene in which Max is repeatedly described as 'leader' of 'the royal family' of four aliens; Max is criticised for not leading adequately, all just in words, without there being any real substance to the thread at this stage because we haven't seen anything to substantiate it yet. I think British audiences will *hate* the idea of Max being 'King' of a group of teenagers who (we're reminded) are meant to be living out 'ordinary' problems for us to identify with, even if they're all embodied in *ex*traordinary metaphors. It felt as though the people who set up (and succeeded so well) with last year's programmes have been bullied into accepting new ideas, new threads, and a new style (the change in look, darker, moodier, far more urban) have fought a rearguard action to preserve bits of last year's good stuff. The conflicts felt thoroughly unresolved to me. I can't wait to watch more episodes, but I'm unhappy with the prospect of the series getting into a big study of the power structure within the group of four, instead of focusing on how they relate as equals and unequals to their 'ordinary' human contemporaries. It seems to me that where the latter is a 'universal', interesting to everyone because we all have that difficulty (relating our sense of who we are to the nightmare of what we dread other people think about us), worrying about power relationships is a very thin issue, something that'll only be interesting to a few who happen to have a problem with it. I loved the physical artefacts signalling 'skins', but wondered about the way they were introduced - this was *not* narrative clarity, or narrative mystery - it was just a bit clumsy, and a neat way of introducing a new sci-fi idea while killing off Nasedo. Both scenes with skins left me feeling as though a chunk of explanatory script that I needed to hear had been left on the cutting room floor. I'll be very interested to hear what you have to say about these responses - - I hope that the fact they're coming a few weeks after you've seen the episodes won't make them feel irrelevant or out-of-date. Cheers, Colin. Dr Colin Roth - 0114 275 2575 Personal web site http://www.sheffield.ac.uk/misc/personal/em1cr/ Convocation web site http://www.sheffield.ac.uk/uni/admin/con - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:58:50 EDT From: Jillybean2060@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] Skins and confusion see i'm just going to have to protest everything you guys say. have you ever heard of suspense?? mystery??? its sci fi people get used to it! its the old 'you-have-to-tune-in-next-week-to-learn/see-more' trick i don't know why i'm always doin this but. . . i just really love roswell and everything associated with it. there are only a very few things i protest. it just kind of lets me down when i'm reading post after post on how the show could become better. . . but what can i say i love watching and waiting for the show.... it seems that everyone wants to produce the show Jill - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:34:59 -0500 From: "Mike Stone" Subject: RE: [roswell] Skins and confusion Interesting posts everyone, and hope you don't mind me going off-topic a bit and asking if anyone else has also been receiving very delinquent mail? I thought it was just my own ISP, but I'm still getting Roswell messages rolling in from earlier this month... Anyway, I think some minor criticism is understandable; a part of what made Roswell "Roswell" seems to have been sold out, to make way for more sci-fi. Realistically, I think the show is doing whatever it can to stay on the air, and that means pandering to the WB network. Plus, aside from Jonathon Frakes, I don't know if many people on that staff truly know how to write and/or direct for sci-fi? But I keep the faith that once the producers feel 'comfortable' that the show will remain on the air, we'll get some of the good from the first season -- along with the enhancements of the second season, and then it may actually be the 'break out hit' that they originally thought it was going to be. I *have* been enjoying the faster-paced episodes, for a change. Still, I haven't seen much criticism at all, and I was watching carefully to see the reactions to the new season. And if reports are right, 4 more episodes were picked up for this season. It's also interesting how different the background story is from the books. (Minor SPOILERS, if you haven't read the books: The crash simply contained alien-scientists that crashed. No cheesy royalty story (unless that comes later?). I find the book version a bit more appealing, in this regard.) But I understand why Nasedo had to die; in order to keep the mystery if the pod squad's background, he couldn't be allowed to reveal anymore to the viewers. So, having him 'off in Washington' helped to keep us in the dark. The only other 'cheesy' thing that bothered me was revealing Isabel's alien name. Not to be overly scientific, but any alien spoken language would most likely not even sound like a language to us. Plus, it doesn't really help the story. One thing that Roswell does so well, particularly in the first season, was to be very careful at not being the typical sci-fi type of show, where general societal problems and issues are dealt with in a cloaked manner. (i.e., think Star Trek). It's actually one of the main things that, at least for me, makes me not enjoy sci-fi in general. Few movies or shows did it well enough, such as "Planet of the Apes" or even "2001: A Space Odyssey," for me to enjoy. Of course, 2001 was more about computers becoming sentient than the other topics. 'Angel' is another good example; almost all the demons on the show are more closely related to America's ethnic problems. I'd also like for the show to have a broader story arc; at the moment, we just don't know what it is, other than to eventually go home and possibly winning some kind of war. In the meantime, I guess we'll have various 'bad guys' of the week to thwart. I noticed some others complaining that each episode is a 'character episode,' that is to say, and episode devoted mainly to a particular character. I don't mind that at all, and usually prefer it. For me, having a little bit of each character in each episode with a prolonged story for the whole season would be too soap-operatic. So I'm happy with an Isabel episode last week, and a Michael episode this week. Looks like we'll have a Liz episode next week. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:38:11 +0100 From: Colin Roth Subject: [roswell] A clarification Hi! I wasn't very clear about one point I made in yesterday's post, and thought I ought to clarify it in case what I said got muddled with 'Princess Di' type 'royal' issues that I wasn't addressing. Some things flop dreadfully here. We're good at buying and enjoying American series that have 'personalities' and 'human relations', and they do well here. But series about 'big moral issues' that tub-thump, or programmes that spend more time on theoretical presentations than on relationships, don't do well. I don't think there's even a tiny element of offence likely about the use of the term 'royal' to describe the alien group - that's not the issue - it's that having a big deal about who's boss and who's following will bore the knickers off UK audiences. They'll just not watch another episode. I don't suppose Warners take all *that* much notice of the international market, but I know that L&C's survival *was* partly because international sales, especially its huge success here in the UK and in Australia. I haven't seen any indications yet of how well Roswell is doing on the BBC, but I'm doing a piece on the local radio station next week, and I'll ask then . . . Cheers, Colin. Dr Colin Roth - Convocation Trust for the Arts - 0114 275 2575 - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:47:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Chantel Reynolds Subject: RE: [roswell] Skins and confusion Plus, > aside from Jonathon > Frakes, I don't know if many people on that staff > truly know how to write > and/or direct for sci-fi? Frakes brought over Ron Moore who wrote for one of the Star Trek series, though I can't remember which one right now. Anyway, Moore is the person most responsible for developing the Klingon mythology, so he's pretty good at developing story for 'alien' species. > > I noticed some others complaining that each episode > is a 'character > episode,' that is to say, and episode devoted mainly > to a particular > character. I don't mind that at all, and usually > prefer it. I liked the character episodes, especially since it gave an opportunity to 'grow' each of the characters in a crucial way. Max's ability to lead and his ambivalence at doing so was a serious question that had to be resolved. ASK NOT provided us with enough focus on him to get that answered. I like the faster pace of this season--hey I'm the person who slowly went mad during Toy House--though I know it was a favorite of many other people. I think Colin's point about the 'young adult' vs 'teenagers' feel of the series is accurate. Last season was a slower, dreamier pace, highlight by Liz's voiceovers and journal entries. Sometimes I'm nostalgic for those, but in light of the horrors of White Room and then the life and death situations revealed in Destiny, the dream is over, and the teenagers have had to grow up fast. So in a lot of ways, it's jarring to have them set against a high school background now, but it's meant to be. As Liz put it once "we left normal." I think the second season is going to show us just how much we've left it. Just my ramblings... Chantel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 07:26:31 +0100 From: Colin Roth Subject: [roswell] Ask Not Hi! Sorry if this is not what you want to read, Jill - but I think it's doing credit to the show and its people to talk through what they're doing. For me, hearing different responses to mine, and discussing our responses, helps me to see more in the show, and to get more out of it. Having said that, though, I have to say that 'Ask Not' was a disappointment. There were lots of good parts - I thought 'Kyle' got a fairer crack of the whip than I've seen him have before, and thought the idea that he and Tess might 'get together' intriguing - but having him and his dad *know* about the alien group without joining the 'inner circle' of friends makes the dynamic very complicated: last season, there was lots of emphasis on how dangerous it would be if the Valenti's 'knew'. In this episode, no-one seemed worried about the 'secret' getting out at all, and despite the sub-plot that showed that power-surges could be 'monitored' by curious outsiders, there was plenty of casual use of powers (for example Max's pretty blue-ish screen around Michael and Isabel) as though discovery didn't really matter any more. Is it going to be ok, this season, for anyone to know that there are four nice looking aliens in Roswell? What happens next time Kyle has a temper - or has he turned into a nicer person this summer, and forgotten that he used to fancy Liz and be jealous of Max? I could see why Max started the episode off running away from Nasedo's remains, with his shirt still off (nice that someone keeps a stash of clean t-shirts that fit in the caf=E9 in case a naked runner arrives), but why, please, were the 'girls' shown jigging together, wearing dresses that were not of a kind that they would normally wear, and apparently only doing so to expose lots of cleavage? Has the production team just imposed a flesh quota that assumes that quantity x of exposure (presumably split into a separate timed quotas for men and women) will generate quantity y of viewer numbers? Even the Australian soaps we see a lot of here in the UK manage to 'justify' their straightforward fleshly titilation with a little more narrative viability than I could see here. Predictably, the strand in the episode which unsettled me most was the one I had been unhappy with in Skins and Bone - the articulation of Max's status as 'leader' of a special and separate group. I'm so old that I can remember the day Kennedy died, where I was when I heard, how I felt, that sort of thing. And I found the casual analogy between Max's challenges as 'leader' of a group of four teenage 'hybrid' human aliens (where did the hybrid assertion come from?) with Kennedy's challenges plain offensive. In the European middle ages, you could have your head chopped off for 'l=E8se majeste' - making an inappropriate and insulting analogy between your own situation and that of someone important. I'm not proposing capital punishment for the Roswell team because of course we can all 'learn' from history, but this extraordinary over-inflation of Max's situation was absurd. Why do Max and Michael need to fight over 'leadership' at all? Why is it a contest between them, without Isabel (with more practiced powers) or Tess (with all the knowledge she has from Nasedo) being treated as potential leaders? Aren't they just as well qualified as the men? I hope I'll get used to Roswell looking more like an 'ordinary' town than the 'special' place it was in the last series; but it seemed odd to have Max run up to a modern looking frontage of plain glass and then be seen inside last year's Crashdown caf=E9 set. That wasn't the only continuity problem: having spent much of the episode wondering when I was going to find out what a 'skin' was, and thinking I ought to wind back the tape because I must have missed something explaining them, right at the end of the epsiode one of the characters (was it Isabel? I haven't gone back to check) asks another what they are, asked the questions I'd been asking myself all the way through. I know it's sci-fi and it's meant to be mysterious, Jill, but sci-fi's meant to be intriguing, not confusing, isn't it? This felt, as last time, as though bits of explanatory script had been cut for the sake of the fast pace which, like Mike, I do admire - but perhaps the structure of the episode could have coped with having this 'who are they?' question being articulated much sooner? I wish, too, that someone had either taken a decision to have them all graduate this summer, or reminded the actors to pretend that they're just kids - most of the actors' apparent age seemed to fluctuate over about a ten year belt all the way through. Perhaps that'll settle as the episodes go on? Sorry if this sounds grumbly - but I'll be interested to hear what you think= ! Cheers, Colin. And thank goodness they explained why we've seen so much of the new, and un-named (I think) waitress in the Crashdown - I couldn't understand why she was getting so much attention until we saw at the end that she's going to be a villain of the week soon. I wonder why this week's sort-of-villain, the new master of the UFO Museum, had an English accent? US sci-fi tradition? Dr Colin Roth - Convocation Trust for the Arts - 0114 275 2575 - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:11:06 -0500 From: "Maimie Abrego" Subject: Re: [roswell] Ask Not Thanks Colin - That was very good. I really enjoy reading all the views and everything about the show. I just never have time to reply or make too many comments. I thought the same about the comparison to Kennedy, but I was even more shocked (scared) at the suggestion of Anikin Skywalker as an immaculate conception. But, alas it is only a story (a very good one at that). I thought I was the only one who wondered at quite a few of the "new" scenes, situations, powers, etc. - but being the die hard fan that I am of the show - I accepted for face value that this is just a show. My favorite show of all time. Yes, I wonder sometimes about the continuity and getting the facts straight, etc. But you know - I just enjoy watching the show every Monday to "get away from it all". I really enjoy all the new with the old. The Crashdown is the "safe house" - everything started there - I DO wonder where Liz's parents are though. I was glad to see Max and Isabel's mom at the party. She was great with her "looks" at all the goings on. Well, I have rambled as usual. Thanks for such interesting thoughts and reasons for some of the strange happenings - All of you in this group give interesting and diverse view points - Thank you for that. Sincerely, Maimie - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:34:33 -0600 From: "Mike Stone" Subject: RE: [roswell] Skins and confusion > Frakes brought over Ron Moore who wrote for one of the > Star Trek series, ... Ah, I thought I didn't recognize his name when I saw it on the screen. But I did notice Bruce Seth Green directed, and I recognize him from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I wonder if it was network decisions to be brought on, or if the show felt they needed some fresh blood? > I liked the character episodes, especially since it > gave an opportunity to 'grow' each of the characters > in a crucial way. Yes, one of the differences, I notice, is this season seems to have a more predominant story arc, unlike last season that highlighted weekly episodic stories which mainly built on the character's relationships. I think that's one of the main things that seem unusual to us this season. At least, I've been keeping that in the back of my mind as I watch... > I like the faster pace of this season--hey I'm the > person who slowly went mad during Toy House--though I > know it was a favorite of many other people. Well, you're a cold cruel heartless person not to have liked Toy House. ;-) Seriously, why can't we have our cake and eat it too? I love the sci-fi, but I wouldn't want to give up episodes like TH, Leaving Normal, and Independence Day. Thanks for the ramblings! - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 03:42:22 GMT From: "Kelly Girl" Subject: Re: [roswell] Surprise hurray colin, you wrote candidly and frankly about the first two eps like i was thinking and questioned, but was afraid to vocalize. i did not want to sound *anti-roswell* -- which i am NOT. i luv roswell, much like i do Buffy the Vampire Slayer. in season three of BTVS i posted many questions and most of them where viewed as *oppositions* to the show or their own view point. anyhoo, season two of Roswell, with each ep i try to remain open minded and much to my delight the show has been much better than the trailers. "summer of '47" trailers were met with intrepidation from this list, and after viewing the ep i was, as my 48yr old ex co-worker said ---- GAWD! that was an awsome ep! the trailers for this mondays ep "end of the world"..... well, once again ... i am thinking..."what the heck are the writers doing? "totally NOT liking max's hair (although, to me long hair guys are the cutest, but not on max). But max/jason's acting looks like it could be the *best* in the next episode. Regardless, I'll be glued to the television in great anticipation... kellygirl _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:16:14 GMT From: "Kelly Girl" Subject: [roswell] what a pleasant surprize.. "the end of the world"... the trailers for tonights ep did not *do* for me what actually watching the whole show did. gosh! i am still ooh-ing and ahh-ing. no time to write any spoilers.... but if any one missed this ep, it is a MUST see... be sure and have kleenex in hand . kellygirl _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:17:31 EST From: Debhanza@aol.com Subject: [roswell] Roswell: The End Of The World (Spoiler) I feel so sad right now.... it compares to how I felt on the season finale with Liz walking away from Max (but even worse). Its hard to stop crying, and think- its only a show. That episode was just wow, unexplainable. Poor Max, poor Liz... that was an unbelieveable thing Liz had to do. I can't comment on the episode right now, its just too painful! Aren't I pathetic!?! I'm sure a bunch of you are in my boat, crying your eyes out right beside me. Max and Liz just love eachother so much, its so hard to watch. Now I am going to have to go try to fall asleep somehow, but I don't think it will be easy. Goodnight All, ~Deborah - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:39:03 -0800 (PST) From: Angela Smart Subject: Re: [roswell] Roswell: The End Of The World Will someone please tell what happened it that episode? Here in Oz the second series hasn't even premiered yet but you're reports regarding the latest episode have really got me curious. Liz and Max are my fave couple on Roswell (even when they're not actually together) and I am dying to know what happened! Somebody please fill me in! Ang. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:39:24 -0500 From: "Casandra Richardson" Subject: [roswell] Spolier.. S * * * * P * * * * * o * * * * i * * * * * * l * * * * * * e * * * * * r Last nights roswell was one of the best. But does anyone remember about the 48 hours that was very important?? I was thinking all the way through the show. If only there was something that Liz could have done that would have changed the future. Like Change something with Michael. and maybe becoming very close friends with Tess and getting everyone to like her and include her in everything and trust her.. Maybe that would have kept her from leaving roswell and then kept the four together so they could change the future and not die and Liz and Max could still be together.. I am still in shock about what happened. Max and Liz are so in love.. And I hated to see Max get hurt like he did.. If only they was a way where they could be together and still have everything work out good... What do you guys think??? - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:22:58 EST From: "Samantha McComber" Subject: Re: [roswell] Roswell: The End Of The World (Spoiler) Ok so this is the first time have made myself known on this list but I have been reading everyones post's for a long time.In the past I have been very busy and barly had enough time to read all of you guys's post's.But last night eppy is killing me!! I am so tense right know and last night I kept waking up in the middle of the night and trying to figure out what the heck the writers are doing.Anywho I am sure they will make it allright but still I am sooo stressed right know. I was in tears though the whole eppy and then i cried myself to sleep practally.I dont think there are going to be very many happy moments for a while. I should also bring out that I am a total dreamgirl and this whole "help me fall out of love with you" idea didnt apeal to me one bit.I still think that they should have sent the older liz and that way young max could have seen why he had to stay away from liz or get closer to tess. Anyway I need to go eat some breakfast before i pass out:).And I will try to keep in mind the fact that it is just a tv show and all this is not reallity.I dont think it is gonna work very well.*sigh* *hugs* Samantha _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:18:56 -0600 From: "Mike Stone" Subject: RE: [roswell] The End Of The World > Will someone please tell what happened it that > episode? ... and I am dying to know what happened! > Somebody please fill me in! > Ang. Oh, you definitely don't want to know. It's just too sad, I can't even talk about it! ;-) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:00:30 EST From: Debhanza@aol.com Subject: Re: [roswell] The End Of The World - --part1_32.c100f2d.273070ce_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Will someone please tell what happened it that > > episode? ... and I am dying to know what happened! > > Somebody please fill me in! > > Ang. > > Oh, you definitely don't want to know. It's just too sad, I can't even talk > about it! ;-) > I can't talk about it either...(and don't think I will ever be able too) but I do think it is an absolute must see. You have to get a tape from someone. Make sure you have plenty of tissues with you though, it is really tough to watch. ~Deb - --part1_32.c100f2d.273070ce_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Will someone please tell what happened it that
> episode? ... and I am dying to know what happened!
> Somebody please fill me in!
> Ang.

Oh, you definitely don't want to know. It's just too sad, I can't even talk
about it!  ;-)

I can't talk about it either...(and don't think I will ever be able too)  but
I  do think it is an absolute must see.  You have to get a tape from someone.
 Make sure you have plenty of tissues with you though, it is really tough to
watch.  
~Deb
- --part1_32.c100f2d.273070ce_boundary-- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Visit http://www.xmission.com/~btvs/roswell/ for help and info. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:05:15 -0700 From: "laura" Subject: [roswell] end of the world..... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0437E.443A8500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable okay, so it has been awhile since i posted. last nites ep, well, it = tore me up. as far as the acting - wow - they did a fantastic job. = but the story - what are the writers thinking, i wonder??? i mean, they = have a loyal following, and all, but with the show still on sheky = ground, why go and do something like this? to try and make sure people = won't watch??? i hated every moment of Max / Tess, (and i don't even = dislike Tess, like most people. i feel really sorry for her. and i was = so happy when i thought they might actually let her and Kyle get = togther.......probably later....) but even now, how can Max & Liz get = past this? even when the writer - "make it all better - hopefully - in = a future ep -- how will Max ever be able to get the image of Liz & Kyle = in bed togther out of his head? OUCH! some other thoughts: ~ - okay - i understand that the four of them may have to work as a unit = - - that makes sense - but WHY do they have to be "mated"? i mean, they = can be a team w/o that, can't they??? ~i think this ep also shows what a good guy Kyle has turned out to be. = i mean, he really cares about Liz. not that i want to see them togther, = i don't. but i still thought it showed a really sweet side to him, in a = twisted type of way.... ~ just what did Michael really think he was going to do? and now what = is gonna happen with him and maria (who are by far my fave couple)????? well, any other thoughts / comments? oh, and i don't know if everyone has seen yet - but the WB sites BB - = the WB has asked viewers what they thought of last nites ep, they want = you to post and / or e-mail them...... smiles, laura - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0437E.443A8500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
okay, so it has been awhile since i = posted. =20 last nites ep, well, it tore me up.  as far as the acting - wow - = they did=20 a fantastic job.   but the story - what are the writers = thinking, i=20 wonder???  i mean, they have a loyal following, and all, but with = the show=20 still on sheky ground, why go and do something like this?  to try = and make=20 sure people won't watch???  i hated every moment of Max / Tess, = (and i=20 don't even dislike Tess, like most people.  i feel really sorry for = her.  and i was so happy when i thought they might actually let her = and=20 Kyle get togther.......probably later....)   but even now, how = can Max=20 & Liz get past this?  even when the writer - "make it all = better -=20 hopefully - in a future ep -- how will Max ever be able to get the image = of Liz=20 & Kyle in bed togther out of his head?  OUCH!
 
some other thoughts:
~ - okay - i understand that the = four of them=20 may have to work as a unit - that makes sense - but WHY do they have to = be=20 "mated"?  i mean, they can be a team w/o that, can't = they???
~i think this ep also shows what a good = guy Kyle=20 has turned out to be.  i mean, he really cares about Liz.  not = that i=20 want to see them togther, i don't.  but i still thought it showed a = really=20 sweet side to him, in a twisted type of way....
~ just what did Michael really think he = was going=20 to do?  and now what is gonna happen with him and maria (who are by = far my=20 fave couple)?????
 
well, any other thoughts / = comments?
 
oh, and i don't know if everyone has = seen yet - but=20 the WB sites BB - the WB has asked viewers what they thought of last = nites ep,=20 they want you to post and / or e-mail them......
 
smiles,
laura
 
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