From: Michael Harris Subject: (thmi-fms) Fibromyalgia Progress Date: 04 Feb 2002 12:27:14 -0700 Hello Everyone! I am new to e-mailing, but wanted to share some of my experiences with fibromyalgaia and chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). Seven years ago I was diagnosed with CFS. Five years ago I was also diagnosed with Fibro. I began seeking an answer to both conditions. I went from doctor to doctor looking for answers - none came. I finally turned to Eastern medicine - acupuncture and Chinese herbal. This treatment was a success to a point. . Although eastern medicine helped me regain a limited lifestyle, I felt there was more I could do. I heard of Jim Clement's program for Fibro, and after meeting him and hearing how his program worked, I believed it was the right direction to go for better health. As all Fibro suffers know, Fibro will never go away, but it's symptoms can be reduced. You may say to yourselves "I have tried everything", "I am tired of not getting better ". I said the same things, but I am delighted I tried Jim Clement's Fibro Programm of Wellness. IT WORKS!!!! My Fibro has improved dramatically. Before I began my treatment on Jim's program I had many fibro symptoms: 1. Bloating & swelling 2. Digestion problems 3. Colon stagnation. 4. PAIN 5. Concentration and focusing difficulties. 6. Weight gain, also 7. FATIGUE from both Fabro and CFS. I am sure this all sounds familiar to you. To date, swelling has been reduced to a minimum . My colon is functioning at about 75% (before it was 10%). My consentration has improved to the point I am reading again and even do my photographic work. Weight is stablizing. Fatigue is much less (not so many naps). I must remind you it is not a cure, for as yet there is no cure, but a way to improve how fibro suffers can reduce symptoms and function better. Jim's four step program will show results within three months. I have been on the program for eight months and I am grateful everyday because life is better. Good luck to all of you dealing with fibro, and those with CFS. I feel my health and daily life has greatly improved in both areas using Jim's program. Good Luck Janice Wotherspoon - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: RE: (thmi-fms) Fibromyalgia Program Date: 05 Feb 2002 14:08:09 -0700 (MST) Hello Sharon, I'll put a video in the mail today. The video is primarily the information that is on the web presentation with a few updates. I'll answer your questions below, in your original email. I hope that you do not mind that I post this to the email forum as well since you do ask some questions that others may benefit from hearing answered. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Sharon McCubbin wrote: > Hi Jim, I'd be very interested to see the video you have! Please send it > to: > > I appreciate the offer, but I don't want you to have to incur the charges to > call me long-distance. > > I have read your slide presentation several times, but, partly because the > intricate hypothesis is a little over my head, and partly because my > concentration level due to CFS has plummeted, I do have a few questions > which you may be able to answer here ... > > This may be a stupid question, but, besides the CFS symptoms, I also > experience a lot of acid reflux (even when I haven't eaten) .. does this > have anything to do with the fact that you said (in the slide presentation) > that the body of CFS sufferers produces too much Lactic Acid? In the case of acid reflux, it is not that the stomach produces too much gastric acid. The body usually produces about 3 liters a day. The acid that is being produced is of a higher pH, more alkaline. I think that this is possible due to the cells shift to a less alkaline state. The very low acid pH is one of the cues that tells the body that it is okay to move the stomach contents forward, into the duodenum/small intestines. Also, if the stomach acid does not get acidic enough then the minerals in your food are not properly ionized and cannot be absorbed by the body. Long term this leads to deficiencies in a number of minerals, as well as the vitamins B12 and folic acid, which also require acidic gastric juices. > > One of the things I think I'm afraid of, regarding trying this program, is > perhaps making my illness worse. I appear to have all the symptoms of FM > except the pain and headaches (thank goodness), which is why I believe I > have CFS at this point. If this program was to make my current symptoms > worse, or cause me to also have pain and headaches, I think I might run > screaming through the streets! Especially if the regression was permanent. > So that's my major concern. I can understand your concern. I believe that in trying different products that have been marketed as something that may help, some people with FMS/CFS have seen their condition worsen. This makes them more wary and less willing to experiment with other possible options. To date I have had eight people follow the program, all eight have seen good results in reversing symptoms of their condition. I have focused on fibromyalgia so far. However, I think that the program will benefit anyone with a condition related to circulation, ie diabetes, arthritis... Janice W., who shared her experience yesterday, had first been diagnosed with having CFS and then a couple years later she was diagnosed with FMS too. I think that the thing that seperates the two conditions, FMS and CFS is the enzyme that converts pyruvate to lactic acid. I think that the person with CFS will, in time, progress to FMS. Back to the point of possible negative reactions. The only part of the program that produced any short term negative reaction is the probiotics. The type of reactions encountered were increased gas (Mavis's experience) and an outbreak/rash in skin on upper chest (Janice's reaction). These reactions were shot term and lasted for about a week. My own reaction to the flora source was developing a cold sore which lasted a few days. I had this happen twice but now have no problems. > > My secondary concern is cost. As I'm sure you can appreciate, the Canadian > dollar is lower than the Al Qaeda (well, almost - nothing's lower than > that). Anyway, the total cost of the program, even with just 1 infrared > heater, is $1,550 USD. That's about $2,500 CND. Ouch. I think that most people will see cost as making this program out of their reach. I have tried to reduce costs where I can. The infrared sauna I am working on will cost just under $500, (I'm trying to get it to the $350- $400 range). This will be as effective as the infrared saunas now on the market for $3000. Janice used two infrared heaters in her bathroom to get the desired results. In all, Janice paid about $1800 for the products she used to get the results she did. I think that she would say that it was a wise investment. Another person tried two heaters in her bathroom but the materials used in her bathroom, ceramic floor tiles, prevented it from getting to a sauna-like state. So for her, we had to improvise something else. While $1800 is a lot of money, it is estimated that the average person with fibromyalgia spend more than this each year treating the condition. > > So I've been considering trying the NADH tablets (from a link on your slide > presentation). A package of 30 tabs of 5 mg. each would run me about $53 > CND. I put the link to the NADH site up because the demo they have simplified the explanation of how the body generates energy. The cell does need NADH but the cell is not designed to take in NADH so I do not think that the NADH supplementation will be effective. Also, once the NADH table is desolved in stomach acid, the NADH will be broken down. It may be that some people experience results using this product because the raw ingredients, after the NADH is broken down, may be providing some missing elements that the person needed. > > Please know that I value my health above all, and no cost is too great where > restoring my health is concerned. Since I've been ill from a very young age > (due to excess antibiotics), I have no idea what it feels like to actually > be healthy. And I would give almost anything to find out. Which makes me > particularly vulnerable to controversial products which may work for some, > but not all. The excess antibiotics may be what triggered this all for you. If my thinking is correct, and these conditions are the result of imbalances in intestinal flora, antibiotic use without retoring beneficial bacteria could be responsible in your case. > > Based on cost, I'm more inclined to start with (throw away?) the $53 on NADH > and see what, if any, relief it brings. Do you have any > knowledge/caveats/testimonials about this product? You seem to have a > wealth of information, which is wonderful, since so many "health > professionals" don't! This question about NADH may be suited for posting to alt.med.fibromyalgia. I think that there must be some people on that newsgroup with experience with the product. I will post to the newsgroup to see if anyone will share their experience. Although, I think that many people on that newsgroup have my name filtered out as I think I am seen by many on that list as being a spammer. > > Sorry for the long email, and thanks as always for your help! > > Sharon > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: (thmi-fms) NADH experiences Date: 09 Feb 2002 07:19:50 -0700 (MST) There is a link to a website that promotes the use of NADH in my fibromyalgia presentation. Also, if you study the presentation, "Fibromyalgia: A Hypothesis of Etiology" on our website, you will see the critical role that NADH does perform in the cellular processes responsible for converting the energy in our food into a form useable by the cell. I included the link to the NADH website because it had a nice demonstration on how the body produces energy. My thoughts on supplementing with NADH is that the cell is not designed to take in NADH and NADH would be altered by gastric acid. Also, when you consider that the body (in a healthy person) burns the equivalent of over 300 lbs. of ATP daily, the little amount of NADH provided in a pill is probably miniscule compared to the amount the body requires to produces that amount of ATP. Anyway, some people have wondered whether supplementing with NADH might be beneficial. I do not have any experience using the product so I posted the question to alt.med.fibromylagia. Only two people responded offering their experience using the product: --------------------- The following is a response from one alt.med.fibromyalgia subscriber I took "Enada" brand NADH about 4 years ago. It was 5 mg., once a day. I took it in the morning - the instructions were to take it on an empty stomach and to not eat for 1 hour after taking it. That part was difficult, because I had to be to work at 6:30 AM, and the 1 hour to wait before breakfast was impossible. I didn't get up earlier just to take one tiny red pill. I didn't experience any effects of it at all -- good or bad. It certainly didn't help, but didn't do anything bad, either -- other than making a dent in my checking account. It was quite expensive, but I don't remember the exact cost. I wouldn't try it again. ----- Another subscriber to alt.med.fibromyalgia contributed the following regarding their experience with NADH. My experience...I spent a lot of money on it for several months, had daily headaches as a direct result and absolutely no benefits whatsoever. I've shared information on the four products that were successfully used by the people that followed this program to reverse symptoms of fibromyalgia. None of the ladies used NADH, human growth hormones, B-12 (injected or other forms), no drugs or other medications (some of the women did continue with prescriptions until their own Dr. took them off the medication) If your following your own path to restore health, investigate a path similar to one that others have found success. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Janice has shared her results on the list. She is not a big email person but I am sure that if you had a few questions for her and posted them to the list she would be happy to answer them for you. Don't give up hope. Keep looking. If you want to see change, you have to make changes. Faith without works is dead. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: (thmi-fms) Any Questions? Date: 11 Feb 2002 10:46:39 -0700 (MST) Dear thmi-fms Subscriber: Do you have any questions regarding the presentation material or program. Except for specific information on which minerals are being supplemented in the program you now have all the information you need to direct your efforts to reverse symptoms of fibromyalgia. You've heard the results from one of our program participants, Janice. There are seven others, like Janice, that have followed this program and seen similar excellent results. If you're not seeing progress with your current program, make a change. Doing the same thing will only produce the same results. I wish you all the best of success in following your own path. If anyone would like to get going on this program I have presented send me an email. The offer of a money back guarantee still stands for the first person that accepts it. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: (thmi-fms) List Policy Date: 12 Feb 2002 12:06:03 -0700 (MST) Dear thmi-fms subscriber: This email list, thmi-fms, is open to all who wish to join to discuss fibromyalgia. More specifically the list was established to provide a forum that those that are following THMI's wellness program may use to share their experiences. (At this time there is only one person on the list that has done that. I'm sure that she would be open to answering any questions you may have.) Information shared on the list should be considered confidential. If you wish to share information posted to this list in other forums, please obtain permission of the person that posted the information. Until recently the thmi-fms list was open to list members to perform a "who" query to see email addresses of others subscribed to the list. That option is no longer available. I have had the list set to "closed" so that no one can obtain that information. Please respect one another. Feel free to ask questions. If you have questions that you wish to direct to myself you may email them to me at the address shown below. It is preferred that you post questions to the list so that all may increase their own understanding. The first step in reversing fibromyalgia is understanding the condition. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: (thmi-fms) closing list to non-contributors Date: 15 Feb 2002 11:51:51 -0700 (MST) I am shifting directions regarding this list. It will be used to support customers and those that want to learn. All others will be removed from the mailing list next friday, 2/22/02. How to stay on the list: let me know that the information is of value to you and show an attempt to learn by asking questions. I'm getting tired of posting to a non-responsive list. Unfortunately one of the aspects of fibromyalgia is that you've "tried everything" and nothing has helped and so the thinking is that what I'm suggesting you try is just one more thing thing that will not help. And, it is too expensive to risk. I've offered a money back guarantee that still has no takers. My background is engineering. I was laid off last year and thought that now is a good time to pursue this venture full time. Well, I'm tired of beating my head against the wall and bills are piling up. I have started looking for full time employment. I will continue to work at this at a local level part time. I will continue to support those people that have put their trust in me and are valued customers and do all I can to keep them happy with the products and service I provide. Because you are not asking questions, I can only guess that you do not believe that people are having the results following this program that they say they are. Janice is on the list and I've spoken with her and she is open to answering any questions you may have. Bev has recently joined the list, although she is not suffering with FMS she has seen good health benefits to drinking the water. She will be sharing her results soon. I've pretty much shared with you what the program involves. You can use the information to help you in your own search. All the best, Jim Unless you email me or the list by next friday, I will remove your address from the list. ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madi Creekmore" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) closing list to non-contributors Date: 15 Feb 2002 14:22:52 -0800 Jim, The reason I haven't gotten back to you is I cannot afford the things you have proposed. I'm on a disability pension and my credit record went from top numbers down to 0 when my mate left me with all of the bills and I had to declare bankruptcy. I ran this by my engineering friend from MIT and he says ionized water can be made by adding vinegar to the water. I need an explanation, please. Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:51 AM > > I am shifting directions regarding this list. It will be used to support > customers and those that want to learn. All others will be removed from > the mailing list next friday, 2/22/02. > > How to stay on the list: let me know that the information is of value to > you and show an attempt to learn by asking questions. I'm getting tired > of posting to a non-responsive list. > > Unfortunately one of the aspects of fibromyalgia is that you've "tried > everything" and nothing has helped and so the thinking is that what I'm > suggesting you try is just one more thing thing that will not help. And, > it is too expensive to risk. I've offered a money back guarantee that > still has no takers. > > My background is engineering. I was laid off last year and thought that > now is a good time to pursue this venture full time. Well, I'm tired of > beating my head against the wall and bills are piling up. I have started > looking for full time employment. I will continue to work at this at a > local level part time. I will continue to support those people that have > put their trust in me and are valued customers and do all I can to keep > them happy with the products and service I provide. > > Because you are not asking questions, I can only guess that you do not > believe that people are having the results following this program that > they say they are. Janice is on the list and I've spoken with her and she > is open to answering any questions you may have. > > Bev has recently joined the list, although she is not suffering with FMS > she has seen good health benefits to drinking the water. She will be > sharing her results soon. > > I've pretty much shared with you what the program involves. You can use > the information to help you in your own search. > > > All the best, > Jim > > Unless you email me or the list by next friday, I will remove your address > from the list. > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) closing list to non-contributors Date: 15 Feb 2002 18:58:17 -0700 (MST) vinegar will certainly ionize water, in a positive direction. An acid, such as vinegar, has an abundance of H+ protons. Adding vinegar to water would likely produce positive ionized water. This is not what you want. You want negative ionized water. Negative ionization indicates a greater abundance of free electrons. The ionization in the microwater comes from the OH- molecules present in water being concentrated to the alkaline water side. You do not have to buy anything to stay on the list. I'm just getting tired of posting to a void. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Madi Creekmore wrote: > Jim, The reason I haven't gotten back to you is I cannot afford the things > you have proposed. I'm on a disability pension and my credit record went > from top numbers down to 0 when my mate left me with all of the bills and I > had to declare bankruptcy. > > I ran this by my engineering friend from MIT and he says ionized water can > be made by adding vinegar to the water. I need an explanation, please. > Madi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Total Health Mktg." > To: > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:51 AM > Subject: (thmi-fms) closing list to non-contributors > > > > > > I am shifting directions regarding this list. It will be used to support > > customers and those that want to learn. All others will be removed from > > the mailing list next friday, 2/22/02. > > > > How to stay on the list: let me know that the information is of value to > > you and show an attempt to learn by asking questions. I'm getting tired > > of posting to a non-responsive list. > > > > Unfortunately one of the aspects of fibromyalgia is that you've "tried > > everything" and nothing has helped and so the thinking is that what I'm > > suggesting you try is just one more thing thing that will not help. And, > > it is too expensive to risk. I've offered a money back guarantee that > > still has no takers. > > > > My background is engineering. I was laid off last year and thought that > > now is a good time to pursue this venture full time. Well, I'm tired of > > beating my head against the wall and bills are piling up. I have started > > looking for full time employment. I will continue to work at this at a > > local level part time. I will continue to support those people that have > > put their trust in me and are valued customers and do all I can to keep > > them happy with the products and service I provide. > > > > Because you are not asking questions, I can only guess that you do not > > believe that people are having the results following this program that > > they say they are. Janice is on the list and I've spoken with her and she > > is open to answering any questions you may have. > > > > Bev has recently joined the list, although she is not suffering with FMS > > she has seen good health benefits to drinking the water. She will be > > sharing her results soon. > > > > I've pretty much shared with you what the program involves. You can use > > the information to help you in your own search. > > > > > > All the best, > > Jim > > > > Unless you email me or the list by next friday, I will remove your address > > from the list. > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: (thmi-fms) Acetyl L-Carnitine Date: 19 Feb 2002 23:43:01 -0700 (MST) On tonights news there was a report about the results of reseach conducted at UC Berkeley. The researchers fed their lab rats increased amounts of Acetyl L-Carnitine and Alpha Lipoic Acid. The rats exhibited improved memory and longer life. Acetyl L-Carnitine, ALC, is an amino acid the food that is the best source for ALC is red meat. Alpha Lipoic Acid, is a vitamin, Also obtained from meat. Doing a search on google to find more information on these substances they are both noted for their anti-oxidant properties and the role they play in energy production in the mitochondria. One of the the articles suggested that if a person is low in vitamin B12 they should not supplement too much with Alpha Lipoic Acid. Some researchers have shown that people with fibromyalgia are low in B12. Interesting that the best source for vitamin B12 is also meats. The same food that supplies vit. B12 also supplies Alpha Lipoic Acid (and Acetyl L-Carnitine). I'm not big on taking supplements. So I'm not suggesting that you take these products. If your digestive health is in order and you eat a healthy diet which does include some meat, your body will get these nutrients from your food. However, if you are dealing with acid reflux (a very popular subject for TV ads pushing you to try this or that drug) it is an indicator that you are likely not absorbing these nutrients from your food. Acid reflux indicates that the stomach acid is likely too alkaline and may not be breaking down protein adaquately. So, long term the body may eventually become deficient in these nutrients. The microwater, according to the article is possibly the best anti-oxident because of its smaller size. The FIR sauna helps to increase energy production by transfering energy to the electrons in the electron transport chain. The only part of the program that is used long term is microwater. The FIR sauna does not appear to be needed after the condition is improved but it does feel good to use it every now and then. The supplements that are part of the program are only to be taken for a couple months to take care of likely deficiencies. After that, assuming that your diet is healthy, that body should get its nutritional meeds met from the foods you eat. Any questions, comments, feel free to contribute. All the best, Jim Those that have emailed me I will keep on the list after friday. Others I will assume may be going to dead email addresses and purge from the list unless I hear otherwise. ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madi Creekmore" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Acetyl L-Carnitine Date: 20 Feb 2002 01:46:57 -0800 Hi Jim, I take Vitamin B12 injections and they really help me. I was raised a lacto ovo vegetarian and know now my folks didn't do me any favors. I'm not really a meat eater even though I am a type O in the Eat for your Type book and should have been raised on meat. I wish I liked meat better. I should be able to raise enough money to get the supplies I need very soon - I'm supposed to get some money in about 3 weeks - cross your fingers. Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:43 PM > > On tonights news there was a report about the results of reseach conducted > at UC Berkeley. The researchers fed their lab rats increased amounts of > Acetyl L-Carnitine and Alpha Lipoic Acid. The rats exhibited improved > memory and longer life. > > Acetyl L-Carnitine, ALC, is an amino acid the food that is the best source > for ALC is red meat. Alpha Lipoic Acid, is a vitamin, Also obtained from > meat. > > Doing a search on google to find more information on these substances they > are both noted for their anti-oxidant properties and the role they play in > energy production in the mitochondria. > > One of the the articles suggested that if a person is low in vitamin B12 > they should not supplement too much with Alpha Lipoic Acid. Some > researchers have shown that people with fibromyalgia are low in B12. > > Interesting that the best source for vitamin B12 is also meats. The > same food that supplies vit. B12 also supplies Alpha Lipoic Acid (and > Acetyl L-Carnitine). > > I'm not big on taking supplements. So I'm not suggesting that you take > these products. If your digestive health is in order and you eat a > healthy diet which does include some meat, your body will get these > nutrients from your food. > > However, if you are dealing with acid reflux (a very popular subject for > TV ads pushing you to try this or that drug) it is an indicator that you > are likely not absorbing these nutrients from your food. Acid reflux > indicates that the stomach acid is likely too alkaline and may not be > breaking down protein adaquately. So, long term the body may eventually > become deficient in these nutrients. > > The microwater, according to the article is possibly the best anti-oxident > because of its smaller size. The FIR sauna helps to increase energy > production by transfering energy to the electrons in the electron > transport chain. > > The only part of the program that is used long term is microwater. The > FIR sauna does not appear to be needed after the condition is improved but > it does feel good to use it every now and then. The supplements that are > part of the program are only to be taken for a couple months to take care > of likely deficiencies. After that, assuming that your diet is healthy, > that body should get its nutritional meeds met from the foods you eat. > > Any questions, comments, feel free to contribute. > > All the best, > Jim > > Those that have emailed me I will keep on the list after friday. Others I > will assume may be going to dead email addresses and purge from the list > unless I hear otherwise. > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: (thmi-fms) Thoughts on Vitamin B12 Date: 20 Feb 2002 09:59:55 -0700 (MST) Hello Madi, Thank you for the information. Many people with fibromyalgia are supplementing with vitamin B12 in one form or another, tablet, capsule, sublingual, sprays, or like yourself taking it by injection. Most people are aware that there is a deficiency in this vitamin in the body of the person with fibromyalgia. It only stands to reason that the vitamin levels must be restored. You may have noticed that the program does not include supplementing with vitamin B12 or any other vitamin. It is assumed that the person is eating a nutritious diet of a variety of wholesome foods, including meat sparingly. It is not just people with fibromyalgia that are low in vit B12. Anyone experiencing acid reflux for a long period of time is going to use up vit B12 stores. Also, as a person ages, the body tends to produce less gastric acids. Gastric acids are essential for the breakdown of protien and binding of Intrinsic Factor to B12. Unless this binding takes place the B12 can not be absorbed into the body. One of the slides in the presentation, slide #23 - drugs that deplete vitamins, shows a list of commonly prescribed medications and the nutrients that are depleted from the body as a direct result. When a person is prescribed these meds they should be aware that more foods with these vitamins should be included in the diet. Anyway, notice that taking antacid type medications negatively affects vit B12 stores. Back to the subject of vitamin B12. The body stores a 3 to 6 year supply of vitamin B12 in the liver. The needs of the body for vitamin B12 is about 1 mcg (microgram) per day. The typical B12 tablet will contain 1000 to 3000 mcg. When vitamin B12 is taken into the body it is transferred to the liver (along with all the other nutrients taken into the body) and from there all the parts of the body that need B12 recieve it. You may find that B12 injections help relieve some symptoms temporarily, but within a week or two you need another injection. A 10 cc shot of B12 probably contains about 30,000 mcg of the vitamin. No cause for concern about high dosages, all research has shown that the vitamin is harmless at high dosages. The point I wish to make here is that taking vit B12 in the supplement forms appears to be addressing some of the bodies needs for the vitamin but does not provide a lasting effect. This suggests to me that the vitamin, when supplemented, is likely not being stored in the liver. As I said earlier, the program does not supplement this vitamin. Once digestive health is returned the body is once more able to get vitamin B12 and other nutrients from the diet. B12 source tip. If you eat canned tuna, many people will drain the water from the can and then use the meat. Vitamin B12 is a water soluble vitamin. So you may be pouring much of the vitamin B12 from the fish down the drain. You might try drinking the water. just don't get caught slurping if from the can directly. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Madi Creekmore wrote: > Hi Jim, I take Vitamin B12 injections and they really help me. I was > raised a lacto ovo vegetarian and know now my folks didn't do me any favors. > I'm not really a meat eater even though I am a type O in the Eat for your > Type book and should have been raised on meat. I wish I liked meat better. > I should be able to raise enough money to get the supplies I need very > soon - I'm supposed to get some money in about 3 weeks - cross your fingers. > Madi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Total Health Mktg." > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:43 PM > Subject: (thmi-fms) Acetyl L-Carnitine > > > > > > On tonights news there was a report about the results of reseach conducted > > at UC Berkeley. The researchers fed their lab rats increased amounts of > > Acetyl L-Carnitine and Alpha Lipoic Acid. The rats exhibited improved > > memory and longer life. > > > > Acetyl L-Carnitine, ALC, is an amino acid the food that is the best source > > for ALC is red meat. Alpha Lipoic Acid, is a vitamin, Also obtained from > > meat. > > > > Doing a search on google to find more information on these substances they > > are both noted for their anti-oxidant properties and the role they play in > > energy production in the mitochondria. > > > > One of the the articles suggested that if a person is low in vitamin B12 > > they should not supplement too much with Alpha Lipoic Acid. Some > > researchers have shown that people with fibromyalgia are low in B12. > > > > Interesting that the best source for vitamin B12 is also meats. The > > same food that supplies vit. B12 also supplies Alpha Lipoic Acid (and > > Acetyl L-Carnitine). > > > > I'm not big on taking supplements. So I'm not suggesting that you take > > these products. If your digestive health is in order and you eat a > > healthy diet which does include some meat, your body will get these > > nutrients from your food. > > > > However, if you are dealing with acid reflux (a very popular subject for > > TV ads pushing you to try this or that drug) it is an indicator that you > > are likely not absorbing these nutrients from your food. Acid reflux > > indicates that the stomach acid is likely too alkaline and may not be > > breaking down protein adaquately. So, long term the body may eventually > > become deficient in these nutrients. > > > > The microwater, according to the article is possibly the best anti-oxident > > because of its smaller size. The FIR sauna helps to increase energy > > production by transfering energy to the electrons in the electron > > transport chain. > > > > The only part of the program that is used long term is microwater. The > > FIR sauna does not appear to be needed after the condition is improved but > > it does feel good to use it every now and then. The supplements that are > > part of the program are only to be taken for a couple months to take care > > of likely deficiencies. After that, assuming that your diet is healthy, > > that body should get its nutritional meeds met from the foods you eat. > > > > Any questions, comments, feel free to contribute. > > > > All the best, > > Jim > > > > Those that have emailed me I will keep on the list after friday. Others I > > will assume may be going to dead email addresses and purge from the list > > unless I hear otherwise. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Harris Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Thoughts on Vitamin B12 Date: 20 Feb 2002 14:07:43 -0700 Hi Jim: Thank you for your input concerning B12, it is good reading. I don't think I will drink from the tuna can, however, I certainly won't throw the water away next time. I have forwarded your information concerning B12 to my friend here in Monticello who now believes she has fibro. She went to the Mayo in Pheonix and they said she had to improve the quality of her life because no surgery will help her. I hope to convince her to at least give the microwater a try. We will see what happens!!!! Janice. "Total Health Mktg." wrote: > Hello Madi, > > Thank you for the information. Many people with fibromyalgia are > supplementing with vitamin B12 in one form or another, tablet, capsule, > sublingual, sprays, or like yourself taking it by injection. Most people > are aware that there is a deficiency in this vitamin in the body of the > person with fibromyalgia. It only stands to reason that the vitamin > levels must be restored. You may have noticed that the program does not > include supplementing with vitamin B12 or any other vitamin. It is > assumed that the person is eating a nutritious diet of a variety of > wholesome foods, including meat sparingly. > > It is not just people with fibromyalgia that are low in vit B12. Anyone > experiencing acid reflux for a long period of time is going to use up vit > B12 stores. Also, as a person ages, the body tends to produce less > gastric acids. Gastric acids are essential for the breakdown of protien > and binding of Intrinsic Factor to B12. Unless this binding takes place > the B12 can not be absorbed into the body. > > One of the slides in the presentation, slide #23 - drugs that deplete > vitamins, shows a list of commonly prescribed medications and the > nutrients that are depleted from the body as a direct result. When a > person is prescribed these meds they should be aware that more foods with > these vitamins should be included in the diet. Anyway, notice that taking > antacid type medications negatively affects vit B12 stores. > > Back to the subject of vitamin B12. The body stores a 3 to 6 year > supply of vitamin B12 in the liver. The needs of the body for vitamin B12 > is about 1 mcg (microgram) per day. The typical B12 tablet will contain > 1000 to 3000 mcg. When vitamin B12 is taken into the body it is > transferred to the liver (along with all the other nutrients taken into > the body) and from there all the parts of the body that need B12 recieve > it. > > You may find that B12 injections help relieve some symptoms temporarily, > but within a week or two you need another injection. A 10 cc shot of B12 > probably contains about 30,000 mcg of the vitamin. No cause for concern > about high dosages, all research has shown that the vitamin is harmless > at high dosages. The point I wish to make here is that taking vit B12 in > the supplement forms appears to be addressing some of the bodies needs > for the vitamin but does not provide a lasting effect. This suggests to > me that the vitamin, when supplemented, is likely not being stored in the > liver. > > As I said earlier, the program does not supplement this vitamin. Once > digestive health is returned the body is once more able to get vitamin B12 > and other nutrients from the diet. > > B12 source tip. > If you eat canned tuna, many people will drain the water from the can > and then use the meat. Vitamin B12 is a water soluble vitamin. So you > may be pouring much of the vitamin B12 from the fish down the drain. You > might try drinking the water. just don't get caught slurping if from the > can directly. > > All the best, > Jim > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Madi Creekmore wrote: > > > Hi Jim, I take Vitamin B12 injections and they really help me. I was > > raised a lacto ovo vegetarian and know now my folks didn't do me any favors. > > I'm not really a meat eater even though I am a type O in the Eat for your > > Type book and should have been raised on meat. I wish I liked meat better. > > I should be able to raise enough money to get the supplies I need very > > soon - I'm supposed to get some money in about 3 weeks - cross your fingers. > > Madi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Total Health Mktg." > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:43 PM > > Subject: (thmi-fms) Acetyl L-Carnitine > > > > > > > > > > On tonights news there was a report about the results of reseach conducted > > > at UC Berkeley. The researchers fed their lab rats increased amounts of > > > Acetyl L-Carnitine and Alpha Lipoic Acid. The rats exhibited improved > > > memory and longer life. > > > > > > Acetyl L-Carnitine, ALC, is an amino acid the food that is the best source > > > for ALC is red meat. Alpha Lipoic Acid, is a vitamin, Also obtained from > > > meat. > > > > > > Doing a search on google to find more information on these substances they > > > are both noted for their anti-oxidant properties and the role they play in > > > energy production in the mitochondria. > > > > > > One of the the articles suggested that if a person is low in vitamin B12 > > > they should not supplement too much with Alpha Lipoic Acid. Some > > > researchers have shown that people with fibromyalgia are low in B12. > > > > > > Interesting that the best source for vitamin B12 is also meats. The > > > same food that supplies vit. B12 also supplies Alpha Lipoic Acid (and > > > Acetyl L-Carnitine). > > > > > > I'm not big on taking supplements. So I'm not suggesting that you take > > > these products. If your digestive health is in order and you eat a > > > healthy diet which does include some meat, your body will get these > > > nutrients from your food. > > > > > > However, if you are dealing with acid reflux (a very popular subject for > > > TV ads pushing you to try this or that drug) it is an indicator that you > > > are likely not absorbing these nutrients from your food. Acid reflux > > > indicates that the stomach acid is likely too alkaline and may not be > > > breaking down protein adaquately. So, long term the body may eventually > > > become deficient in these nutrients. > > > > > > The microwater, according to the article is possibly the best anti-oxident > > > because of its smaller size. The FIR sauna helps to increase energy > > > production by transfering energy to the electrons in the electron > > > transport chain. > > > > > > The only part of the program that is used long term is microwater. The > > > FIR sauna does not appear to be needed after the condition is improved but > > > it does feel good to use it every now and then. The supplements that are > > > part of the program are only to be taken for a couple months to take care > > > of likely deficiencies. After that, assuming that your diet is healthy, > > > that body should get its nutritional meeds met from the foods you eat. > > > > > > Any questions, comments, feel free to contribute. > > > > > > All the best, > > > Jim > > > > > > Those that have emailed me I will keep on the list after friday. Others I > > > will assume may be going to dead email addresses and purge from the list > > > unless I hear otherwise. > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > > > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: (thmi-fms) No sweat. Date: 27 Feb 2002 21:03:00 -0700 (MST) A subscriber to alt.med.fibromyalgia asked the following question. I thought my response would be of interest to you. Here it is. > Jim: > > I have never "sweated" even on the hottest of summer days or with > strenous activity. I have always felt "cold" and my normal temperature > is 97.6. Do you have a clue as to what this means? Thanks. > Thank you for the question. Most of the women that have contacted me and followed the program had related experiences similar to yours, a history of non-sweating (with the exception of periods of night sweats) and slightly lower than "normal" body temperature. Here is what I think may be going on. The person with fibromyalgia has been found to be low in ATP. ATP is the substance that the cell uses for energy (the cells in the body create ATP by processing fats and sugars in our food). ATP is also the fuel that is spent to heat the body. It stands to reason that low ATP levels would result in a lower body temperature. My speculation is that the lower ATP levels are due to decreased cellular respiration, the aerobic processes that generate ATP. A byproduct of cellular respiration is that the cell creates water from the air that is breathed in. With reduced cellular respiration there is a reduction in the amount of water generated in the body, possibly creating a chronic dehydrated state. I think that it is likely that this chronic dehydrated state is one reason for the history of non-sweating. The downside is that perspiration is a major channel of elimination of metabolic waste from the body. If the body does not sweat it must get rid of this metabolic waste through other avenues or store it where it will do the least harm to the body. Another role of perspiration is to regulate body temperature. Since the body temperature is already low, to perspire may cause the body temperature to drop further. So, that may be another reason for the lack of perspiring. If the body temperature goes lower it might hinder other metabolic processes. Although it looks like things are all haywire in the person with fibromyalgia, the body is operating exactly as designed. Much like a car in need of a tune up. The car may run like crap, but it is operating just as it should given the circumstances. The car is not broken, it just needs some adjustments to spark, timing, air filter, etc... While a few of the ladies that followed our program did report a history of non-sweating, once they got into the program this was no longer true. The feeling you express as "always feeling cold" is possibly related to poor circulation. Which may account for the reduced cellular respiration. If you would like to learn more you are free to join my email list (this invitation is extended to all). Just send an email to majordomo@xmission.com in the body of the message just type: subscribe thmi-fms All the best, Jim Fibromyalgia: A Hypothesis of Etiology http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.