From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) water ionizer Date: 03 Jun 2002 13:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Hello thmi-fms subscriber, I have recently received information on a new water ionizer. Drinking reduced alkaline ionized water is one part of the program that has helped people reverse symptoms of FMS. (note the word reduced means that the water has acquired electrons, it has a negative ORP value.) The unit that THMI now markets is the Microwater Series One machine, It is probably the best unit of its type that you can buy. The cost of the "Series One" is $995. If this new machine compares favorably in quality of water produced THMI will market this machine too, its cost is only $650. (There are other units available on the net but not all machines are of the same high quality of the "Series One" ionizer. If this new unit passes the test, the total cost of the program would be reduced to about $1300. This is hundreds of dollars less than many people with fibromyalgia now pay for supplements and treatments that have not helped. If this is true for you, Would you please share with me your reasons for not moving forward with starting this program? I will be meeting again with the doctor (MD type) to discuss the program and try to enlist his participation in proving this program. If anyone feels so inclined to help I sure could use some. Janice has reported her results and is willing to answer any questions. Janice, how do you like your drinking water? You paid over $1,900 for the program, was it worth the investment? I recently sold a "Series One" unit to a gentleman that was drinking a bottled water that was promoted for the benefits of the small clusters of the water molecules for better hydrating properties. This water sells for over $2 for a 1/2 liter (about 2 cups) bottle. If a person were drinking 8 cups a day of this water it would cost over $8/day, or over $2920/year. The "Series One" water ionizer produces small cluster water. I am assuming that you have read the information I have on microwater so you already know that. (If not there are links to articles in the "Articles" section of the website at: http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html) I spent $2.29 for a bottle of this water at a local health food store. I ran a couple quick tests on the water, it is produced using a reverse osmosis method it had an acid pH of about 5pH and a positive ORP value. Anybody drinking this water is not getting the best water available. I bought my "Series One" ionizer almost 7 years ago. I have never had any problems and my only additional cost is a replacement carbon filter every year or so. I've already saved over $20,000 drinking this water. :) Janice, How do you like your "Series One" ionizer? In your opinion, was it a good investment? There is a saying "Gold which buys health is never ill spent". This program works and in time I will prove it. You can start to feel better now or wait another 6 months, year, or two, for more proof. But what is it worth to you to return to good health now? If your not going to do this, what are you going to do? And, when are you going to start? Best regards, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) water tip Date: 04 Jun 2002 12:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Hello thmi-fms subscriber, Yesterday I received a copy of Fibromyalgia Aware, the first glossy covered magazine dedicated to fibromyalgia. Interestingly, one of the people pictured in the magazine is one of the founders of the company selling the $2/bottle water I mentioned in may last post. He credits himself as coming up with an idea that has been used in Japan and Korea for over 25 years. Anyway, Thought I would share this tip that may or may not have any sound basis, but it sounds logical. With the warming temperatures there is a greater need to drink plenty of water. Most people with fibromyalgia are chronically dehydrated. limit, or eliminate entirely, drinking soda pop or high sugar drinks. Caffeinated beverages should also be eliminated, having a diuretic effect they contribute to the problem of dehydration. Water is the best liquid to combat dehydration. Now, the thought that I had was that with the warming temperatures of summer there may be a tendency to drink cold water or ice water. Many people with fibromyalgia have a slightly lower than "normal" (98.6 degree) body temperature. I believe this is due to the decreased capacity to produce ATP, the fuel the body uses for energy. Anyway, when you drink ice water, or very cold water, your body has to burn energy to restore warmth to the internal body parts that have been cooled down by the cold drink, energy that is already in short supply. Also, do not drink anything cold with your meals as this will have a slowing effect on the digestive system. It is a good idea to drink a glass of water about 20 minutes prior to your meal. I had a nice walk this morning and was able to reflect on what I am doing and think it may be time to give up on this delussion of helping people with fibromyalgia. I guess for me, eight is enough. When you are ready to get better from fibromyalgia a way will open to you to help you get better. For Janice, and the others I have helped, they were ready. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madi" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) water ionizer Date: 07 Jun 2002 14:47:37 -0700 Jim, I was expecting $2000.00 this month but got only $1000.00 and I had had to borrow $1000.00 to pay my daughters school bills which were not anticipated. I'm expecting more money soon and want to buy this unit. Maybe I can get a new credit card and put this program on it. I had to declare bankruptcy when my husband left me in 1998 so my credit rating is zilch and I'm trying to build it back up again. I have one credit card that has a $200.00 limit and another with a $300.00 limit so am kind of limited on what I can do. I have committed myself to paying my daughters mobile home payment until December when she will graduate from RN school (she hates it) but needs those initials behind her name to be able to command more $$$$. I want a unit!!!!! I want to get well. I'm tired of feeling horrible and not having a life. Please bear with me and I will raise the funds. A person owes me money and will be collecting for back pay but has been put off again so I have to wait. Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 12:23 PM Hello thmi-fms subscriber, I have recently received information on a new water ionizer. Drinking reduced alkaline ionized water is one part of the program that has helped people reverse symptoms of FMS. (note the word reduced means that the water has acquired electrons, it has a negative ORP value.) The unit that THMI now markets is the Microwater Series One machine, It is probably the best unit of its type that you can buy. The cost of the "Series One" is $995. If this new machine compares favorably in quality of water produced THMI will market this machine too, its cost is only $650. (There are other units available on the net but not all machines are of the same high quality of the "Series One" ionizer. If this new unit passes the test, the total cost of the program would be reduced to about $1300. This is hundreds of dollars less than many people with fibromyalgia now pay for supplements and treatments that have not helped. If this is true for you, Would you please share with me your reasons for not moving forward with starting this program? I will be meeting again with the doctor (MD type) to discuss the program and try to enlist his participation in proving this program. If anyone feels so inclined to help I sure could use some. Janice has reported her results and is willing to answer any questions. Janice, how do you like your drinking water? You paid over $1,900 for the program, was it worth the investment? I recently sold a "Series One" unit to a gentleman that was drinking a bottled water that was promoted for the benefits of the small clusters of the water molecules for better hydrating properties. This water sells for over $2 for a 1/2 liter (about 2 cups) bottle. If a person were drinking 8 cups a day of this water it would cost over $8/day, or over $2920/year. The "Series One" water ionizer produces small cluster water. I am assuming that you have read the information I have on microwater so you already know that. (If not there are links to articles in the "Articles" section of the website at: http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html) I spent $2.29 for a bottle of this water at a local health food store. I ran a couple quick tests on the water, it is produced using a reverse osmosis method it had an acid pH of about 5pH and a positive ORP value. Anybody drinking this water is not getting the best water available. I bought my "Series One" ionizer almost 7 years ago. I have never had any problems and my only additional cost is a replacement carbon filter every year or so. I've already saved over $20,000 drinking this water. :) Janice, How do you like your "Series One" ionizer? In your opinion, was it a good investment? There is a saying "Gold which buys health is never ill spent". This program works and in time I will prove it. You can start to feel better now or wait another 6 months, year, or two, for more proof. But what is it worth to you to return to good health now? If your not going to do this, what are you going to do? And, when are you going to start? Best regards, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) water ionizer Date: 07 Jun 2002 16:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Hello Madi, Thank you for your interest. I will be receiving the ionizer from Korea in a couple weeks. I will then test to see how it compares with the microwater series one system. If it compares favorably then this would reduce the total program cost by a couple hundred dollars. I have compared a couple units and so far, in my opinion, the series one ionizer is one of the better units on the market, if not the best. I can understand your money situation, I've been there, and I'm guessing that a number of people on this list are in a similar financial bind. The progression of fibromyalgia and treating the condition takes a heavy financial toll. Again, thank you for your interest. If this program does not significantly improve your health, I will refund your money. I am confident that you will see good results. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Madi wrote: > Jim, I was expecting $2000.00 this month but got only $1000.00 and I had > had to borrow $1000.00 to pay my daughters school bills which were not > anticipated. > > I'm expecting more money soon and want to buy this unit. Maybe I can get a > new credit card and put this program on it. I had to declare bankruptcy > when my husband left me in 1998 so my credit rating is zilch and I'm trying > to build it back up again. I have one credit card that has a $200.00 limit > and another with a $300.00 limit so am kind of limited on what I can do. > > I have committed myself to paying my daughters mobile home payment until > December when she will graduate from RN school (she hates it) but needs > those initials behind her name to be able to command more $$$$. > > I want a unit!!!!! I want to get well. I'm tired of feeling horrible and > not having a life. Please bear with me and I will raise the funds. > > A person owes me money and will be collecting for back pay but has been put > off again so I have to wait. > > Madi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "THMI" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 12:23 PM > Subject: (thmi-fms) water ionizer > > > > Hello thmi-fms subscriber, > > I have recently received information on a new water ionizer. Drinking > reduced alkaline ionized water is one part of the program that has helped > people reverse symptoms of FMS. (note the word reduced means that the > water has acquired electrons, it has a negative ORP value.) > > The unit that THMI now markets is the Microwater Series One machine, > It is probably the best unit of its type that you can buy. The cost of > the "Series One" is $995. If this new machine compares favorably in > quality of water produced THMI will market this machine too, its cost is > only $650. (There are other units available on the net but not all > machines are of the same high quality of the "Series One" ionizer. > > If this new unit passes the test, the total cost of the program would be > reduced to about $1300. This is hundreds of dollars less than many people > with fibromyalgia now pay for supplements and treatments that have not > helped. If this is true for you, Would you please share with me your > reasons for not moving forward with starting this program? > > I will be meeting again with the doctor (MD type) to discuss the program > and try to enlist his participation in proving this program. If anyone > feels so inclined to help I sure could use some. > > Janice has reported her results and is willing to answer any questions. > Janice, how do you like your drinking water? You paid over $1,900 for the > program, was it worth the investment? > > I recently sold a "Series One" unit to a gentleman that was drinking a > bottled water that was promoted for the benefits of the small clusters of > the water molecules for better hydrating properties. This water sells for > over $2 for a 1/2 liter (about 2 cups) bottle. If a person were drinking > 8 cups a day of this water it would cost over $8/day, or over $2920/year. > > The "Series One" water ionizer produces small cluster water. I am > assuming that you have read the information I have on microwater so you > already know that. (If not there are links to articles in the "Articles" > section of the website at: > http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html) > > I spent $2.29 for a bottle of this water at a local health food store. > I ran a couple quick tests on the water, it is produced using a reverse > osmosis method it had an acid pH of about 5pH and a positive ORP value. > Anybody drinking this water is not getting the best water available. > > I bought my "Series One" ionizer almost 7 years ago. I have never had > any problems and my only additional cost is a replacement carbon filter > every year or so. I've already saved over $20,000 drinking this water. :) > > Janice, How do you like your "Series One" ionizer? In your opinion, was > it a good investment? > > There is a saying "Gold which buys health is never ill spent". This > program works and in time I will prove it. You can start to feel better > now or wait another 6 months, year, or two, for more proof. But what is > it worth to you to return to good health now? > > If your not going to do this, what are you going to do? And, when are > you going to start? > > Best regards, > Jim > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madi" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) water ionizer Date: 07 Jun 2002 23:04:40 -0700 My cousins have this and if it works for me I know one of them has plenty of money and will buy it. The other one will come up with it also but her husband is just getting over cancer which he is curing with the Roth Machine and other alternative protocols. AMA doctors gave him 3 months to live about 2 years ago. He is getting well and is getting back to his architecture so will be financially getting well also. Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 3:29 PM Hello Madi, Thank you for your interest. I will be receiving the ionizer from Korea in a couple weeks. I will then test to see how it compares with the microwater series one system. If it compares favorably then this would reduce the total program cost by a couple hundred dollars. I have compared a couple units and so far, in my opinion, the series one ionizer is one of the better units on the market, if not the best. I can understand your money situation, I've been there, and I'm guessing that a number of people on this list are in a similar financial bind. The progression of fibromyalgia and treating the condition takes a heavy financial toll. Again, thank you for your interest. If this program does not significantly improve your health, I will refund your money. I am confident that you will see good results. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Madi wrote: > Jim, I was expecting $2000.00 this month but got only $1000.00 and I had > had to borrow $1000.00 to pay my daughters school bills which were not > anticipated. > > I'm expecting more money soon and want to buy this unit. Maybe I can get a > new credit card and put this program on it. I had to declare bankruptcy > when my husband left me in 1998 so my credit rating is zilch and I'm trying > to build it back up again. I have one credit card that has a $200.00 limit > and another with a $300.00 limit so am kind of limited on what I can do. > > I have committed myself to paying my daughters mobile home payment until > December when she will graduate from RN school (she hates it) but needs > those initials behind her name to be able to command more $$$$. > > I want a unit!!!!! I want to get well. I'm tired of feeling horrible and > not having a life. Please bear with me and I will raise the funds. > > A person owes me money and will be collecting for back pay but has been put > off again so I have to wait. > > Madi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "THMI" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 12:23 PM > Subject: (thmi-fms) water ionizer > > > > Hello thmi-fms subscriber, > > I have recently received information on a new water ionizer. Drinking > reduced alkaline ionized water is one part of the program that has helped > people reverse symptoms of FMS. (note the word reduced means that the > water has acquired electrons, it has a negative ORP value.) > > The unit that THMI now markets is the Microwater Series One machine, > It is probably the best unit of its type that you can buy. The cost of > the "Series One" is $995. If this new machine compares favorably in > quality of water produced THMI will market this machine too, its cost is > only $650. (There are other units available on the net but not all > machines are of the same high quality of the "Series One" ionizer. > > If this new unit passes the test, the total cost of the program would be > reduced to about $1300. This is hundreds of dollars less than many people > with fibromyalgia now pay for supplements and treatments that have not > helped. If this is true for you, Would you please share with me your > reasons for not moving forward with starting this program? > > I will be meeting again with the doctor (MD type) to discuss the program > and try to enlist his participation in proving this program. If anyone > feels so inclined to help I sure could use some. > > Janice has reported her results and is willing to answer any questions. > Janice, how do you like your drinking water? You paid over $1,900 for the > program, was it worth the investment? > > I recently sold a "Series One" unit to a gentleman that was drinking a > bottled water that was promoted for the benefits of the small clusters of > the water molecules for better hydrating properties. This water sells for > over $2 for a 1/2 liter (about 2 cups) bottle. If a person were drinking > 8 cups a day of this water it would cost over $8/day, or over $2920/year. > > The "Series One" water ionizer produces small cluster water. I am > assuming that you have read the information I have on microwater so you > already know that. (If not there are links to articles in the "Articles" > section of the website at: > http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html) > > I spent $2.29 for a bottle of this water at a local health food store. > I ran a couple quick tests on the water, it is produced using a reverse > osmosis method it had an acid pH of about 5pH and a positive ORP value. > Anybody drinking this water is not getting the best water available. > > I bought my "Series One" ionizer almost 7 years ago. I have never had > any problems and my only additional cost is a replacement carbon filter > every year or so. I've already saved over $20,000 drinking this water. :) > > Janice, How do you like your "Series One" ionizer? In your opinion, was > it a good investment? > > There is a saying "Gold which buys health is never ill spent". This > program works and in time I will prove it. You can start to feel better > now or wait another 6 months, year, or two, for more proof. But what is > it worth to you to return to good health now? > > If your not going to do this, what are you going to do? And, when are > you going to start? > > Best regards, > Jim > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madi" Subject: (thmi-fms) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Crystal_Clear_-_Messages_from_Water?= Date: 12 Jun 2002 22:25:09 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C21260.02B0D960 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001A_01C21260.02B0D960" ------=_NextPart_001_001A_01C21260.02B0D960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An article to support Jim's protocol. Madi http://www.i-sis.org/water4.php ------=_NextPart_001_001A_01C21260.02B0D960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Crystal_Clear_-_Messages_from_Water?= Date: 12 Jun 2002 23:59:37 -0600 (MDT) Hello thmi-fms subscribers, The Crystal Clear water article is very interesting. It may not be directly related to the topic of FMS but it does help us recognize that all water is not the same. It is interesting that tap water and distilled water did not produce crystals. (I'll put a link to this article on the website. If anyone finds some interesting links please feel free to share them to the list.) I have been submitting some posts to the CFSFMExperimental group, I'll post some of them to this list, the information may benefit some on this list. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Madi wrote: > An article to support Jim's protocol. Madi > > http://www.i-sis.org/water4.php > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) Penta Water Date: 13 Jun 2002 18:34:43 -0600 (MDT) Hello thmi-fms subscriber, Someone on the CFSFMExperimental list asked about penta water. Below is my post related to that query. In the first issue of "Fibromyalgia Aware" magazine which came out last month, there is a picture of the the guy that takes credit for the idea which is behind "Penta Water". I find it interesting that the Japanese and Koreans have been drinking this type water for over 20 years. I wonder what his inspiration was. :) I was introduced to "Penta Water" a couple weeks ago. So I went to the local health food store and bought a bottle. The bottle is 500 ml (16.9 Fluid OZ. or just over 2 cups) in size and cost $2.29 plus tax. You can buy it on the web for $47 + shipping for a case of 24 bottles. (I hate to think what it cost to ship a case of water cross country, or worse yet overseas.) Anyway, the contents listed on the bottle is: Purified Drinking Water Reverse Osmosis / Deionization with USP medicinal grade oxygen No additional additives. I ran a couple simple tests on the water, pH and ORP. The "Penta Water", using pH drops and also low-ion pH paper, tested to be about 5.5 pH. The ORP, Oxygenation-Reduction Potential, of "Penta Water" tested about +110 millivolts. I do not have any way to test whether the water microcluster characteristics remain intake sitting on the shelf. The selling point for "Penta Water" is the improved hydrating ability of the small water cluster. If a person were to drink the recommended 8 cups per day of water, drinking "Penta Water" would cost almost $3,000 per year. LOL I have been drinking reduced alkaline water for over 6 years. I paid $1300 for the unit and figure I have probably saved over $20,000 so far. :) Reduced ionized water, IMO, is a far superior hydrating water. Reduced ionized water, sometime called microwater, has an alkaline pH and a negative ORP. These values vary with the quality of the source water. The alkaline pH helps to counteract acidity in the body and the negative ORP indicates an abundance of free electrons in the water giving it excellent antioxidant properties. The positive ORP tested on the "Penta Water" indicates that the water would have oxidizing properties. And, the acid pH tested on "Penta Water" would not provide alkalizing benefits. IMO, these are not desirable properties for drinking water. Microwater is one part of the program that I have shared that has now helped 8 people reverse symptoms of fibromyalgia. If interested in reading more about ORP I have written a short article to explain what it is and describing some of the tests I've done. You can find it in the SoapBox section of the website listed below. All the best, Jim One of the readers on this list has had a negative experience with long term drinking of reverse osmosis water and distilled water, maybe she will share. ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madi" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Penta Water Date: 14 Jun 2002 01:22:20 -0700 Jim, It looks like you have the least expensive program for this malady so far! I'm saving my money. Wish I had a credit card that would cover it but at this point I don't. Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:34 PM Hello thmi-fms subscriber, Someone on the CFSFMExperimental list asked about penta water. Below is my post related to that query. In the first issue of "Fibromyalgia Aware" magazine which came out last month, there is a picture of the the guy that takes credit for the idea which is behind "Penta Water". I find it interesting that the Japanese and Koreans have been drinking this type water for over 20 years. I wonder what his inspiration was. :) I was introduced to "Penta Water" a couple weeks ago. So I went to the local health food store and bought a bottle. The bottle is 500 ml (16.9 Fluid OZ. or just over 2 cups) in size and cost $2.29 plus tax. You can buy it on the web for $47 + shipping for a case of 24 bottles. (I hate to think what it cost to ship a case of water cross country, or worse yet overseas.) Anyway, the contents listed on the bottle is: Purified Drinking Water Reverse Osmosis / Deionization with USP medicinal grade oxygen No additional additives. I ran a couple simple tests on the water, pH and ORP. The "Penta Water", using pH drops and also low-ion pH paper, tested to be about 5.5 pH. The ORP, Oxygenation-Reduction Potential, of "Penta Water" tested about +110 millivolts. I do not have any way to test whether the water microcluster characteristics remain intake sitting on the shelf. The selling point for "Penta Water" is the improved hydrating ability of the small water cluster. If a person were to drink the recommended 8 cups per day of water, drinking "Penta Water" would cost almost $3,000 per year. LOL I have been drinking reduced alkaline water for over 6 years. I paid $1300 for the unit and figure I have probably saved over $20,000 so far. :) Reduced ionized water, IMO, is a far superior hydrating water. Reduced ionized water, sometime called microwater, has an alkaline pH and a negative ORP. These values vary with the quality of the source water. The alkaline pH helps to counteract acidity in the body and the negative ORP indicates an abundance of free electrons in the water giving it excellent antioxidant properties. The positive ORP tested on the "Penta Water" indicates that the water would have oxidizing properties. And, the acid pH tested on "Penta Water" would not provide alkalizing benefits. IMO, these are not desirable properties for drinking water. Microwater is one part of the program that I have shared that has now helped 8 people reverse symptoms of fibromyalgia. If interested in reading more about ORP I have written a short article to explain what it is and describing some of the tests I've done. You can find it in the SoapBox section of the website listed below. All the best, Jim One of the readers on this list has had a negative experience with long term drinking of reverse osmosis water and distilled water, maybe she will share. ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MzMoTeL6@aol.com Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Penta Water Date: 14 Jun 2002 07:56:11 EDT I found something called *Smart Water* By Glaceau. it is vapor distilled water with electrolytes added calicium,magnesium chloride and potassium bicarbonate. I am thinking that it was $1.49 to a little over $2.00 for 33.8 ouce bottle.. 1 quart. I only bought it once to see how it was so, I don't recall the exact price. Its found at www.drinkbetterwater.com. Is this along the same lines as the Penta Water? V - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madi" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Penta Water Date: 14 Jun 2002 08:18:41 -0700 Loved the site especially the color music player across the top. I could play tunes on it. Jim will know about this water. I checked and found the health store in town has it. I want Jims water maker! Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:56 AM I found something called *Smart Water* By Glaceau. it is vapor distilled water with electrolytes added calicium,magnesium chloride and potassium bicarbonate. I am thinking that it was $1.49 to a little over $2.00 for 33.8 ouce bottle.. 1 quart. I only bought it once to see how it was so, I don't recall the exact price. Its found at www.drinkbetterwater.com. Is this along the same lines as the Penta Water? V - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carol Brown Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Penta Water Date: 14 Jun 2002 09:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Probably a stupid question but how does Penta Water compare with Willards Water(I think I got that right? Carol B __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) Water, was Penta Water Date: 14 Jun 2002 11:11:11 -0600 (MDT) I'll address a couple inqueries in this single post. I do not have any experience with the willard water. I just ordered a couple bottles and when I get them I'll do some simple tests to see how it compares. I should have the results in a couple weeks. At $85/gal. the stuff is not inexpensive, I ordered small bottles. :) I went to the smart water website but did not get much information there. I'll get a bottle at the health food store and see how it compares too. The website has a number of different waters with added vitamins. I do not agree with this practice. I cannot think of any vitamin that is naturally found in water. Although adding vitamins to water will not hurt you, I highly doubt any additional benefit from it being in the water. vitamins are found in foods. Vitamins (and minerals) act as co-enzymes to help the body use the energy that the food contains. I'm not a big beliver in taking supplemental vitamins, but rather taking foods that are rich in a particular vitamin or mineral. While the alkaline ionized water is important, it is only one part of the overall program. The other parts are equally important for obtaining results in reversing fibromyalgia symptoms. The other parts being the FIR sauna to increase blood flow and detox metabolic waste, mineral supplementation to take care of deficiencies that researchers have found to be present in fibromyalgia, and a probiotic formulation to help restore beneficial intestinal flora. The minerals and probiotics are only take for a short while, after imbalances are corrected it is best to get minerals from a healthy diet. I'll post some information on minerals in a future post. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Carol Brown wrote: > Probably a stupid question but how does Penta Water > compare with Willards Water(I think I got that right? > Carol B > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) The Cologne Model Date: 15 Jun 2002 12:14:41 -0600 (MDT) Dear thmi-fms subscriber, Here is an interesting web site: www.koelner-modell.de This site describes a treatment program for cancer called "The Cologne Model", integrating western medicine with alternative therapies. The Cologne Model uses infrared therapy, mineral supplementation, and probiotics in addition to the western approach to cancer treatment. Below is a bit of text I've clipped from their site: The absorption of many vitamins depends on the intestinal flora, like Vitamin K, and several of the Vitamin B group (B1, B2, B6, B12), folic acid, biotin, niacin, pantothen acid. Metabolism and biochemical processes are increased by about 15% per one degree C core temperature increase. This leads to an increased regeneration and repair mechanisms in tissue. The Cologne Model is focusing on the treatment of cancer, hence the inclusion of chemotherapy and other western modalities. I think that it will be found that most degenerative conditions result from basically the same thing. FMS and CFIDS are just the bodies way of saying "Make some corrections now before things get really bad". I'm not trying to scare you here, but the long term effect of the health imbalances responsible for FMS and CFIDS likely, years down the road, will contribute to the onset of more serious conditons like diabetes and cancer. (Though more serious, these conditons too can be reversed.) Learn how your body works, what it needs, and then take care of it. I suspect that since you are on this list, your are doing this. Too many people in the US live a destructive lifestyle and then when their bodies begin to fail them they want a pill to fix them so that they can continue along the same path. The fact that you are still alive indicates that you have more to do. Be well. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) Support for a nutritious diet Date: 27 Jun 2002 21:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Hello thmi-fms subscribers, I hope that this finds you all doing well. There were a couple articles in the news that I would like to pass along. One was that it has been found that foods cooked at a very high temperature, such as french fries and patotoe chips, contained a greater amount of a substance that has been proven to produce cancers in lab animals. The stories continued with it is not proven that the same affect will be found to be true for humans and that more studies needed to be done. Another news report showed that dietary antioxidants provided benefits in preventing alzheimer's disease. The interesting thing with this study is that the same level of benefit was not seen by taking supplements. You can read the article online at: http://kevxml2a.infospace.com/_1_4O9KTEU03WRJCUW__info.schcac/health/hlt-story.htm&qid=507810&qt=9 In the case of FMS, there exist some digestion disturbances that impair the absorption of a number of the nutrients in the foods you eat. But it is important to eat those foods that contain the nutrients that are deficient. I've recently recieved a recipe for making whole wheat sourdough starter. I'll put the recipe on the website for those that would like it. It makes great sourdough pancakes/waffles. All the best, Jim PS: Welcome to those new to this list. Please feel free to ask any questions. ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. 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