From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) Breakfast drink Date: 05 Mar 2003 11:51:18 -0700 Dear thmi-fms subscriber, The following web site address was shared in another forum and I thought that the information would be beneficial to those on this list. So I'm passing it along. http://www.integrativephysician.org/PharmaceuticalDrugs.htm This site identifies specific nutrients that are depleted by use of many of the medications commonly prescribed for different ailments. I have provided some of this information in a table in the FMS presentation on my site. Also on this site is a description of nutrients required by the body, how they are used in the body, and food sources for them. Notice in particular the B vitamins and recommended dietary sources. Brewers yeast is listed as a good source for a number of B vitamins. The good bacteria in our digestive system produce some of these important nutrients, particularly a number of the B vitamins. If our intestinal flora is depleted, doesn't it make sense that we may have to include more of these nutrients in our daily diet, at least until intestinal flora is restored to healthy levels? Here is a recipe that I will often make for a breakfast drink. in blender 1.5 cups filtered water 1/4 cup raw sunflower seeds (provides magnesium and zinc) blend for about 60 secs then add 1 - 2 heaping TBLS Sweet Dairy Whey (provides sodium and lactose) 1 heaping TBLS brewers yeast (provides B vitamins) 1 raw egg (I use the whole egg but if you want to just use the yolk thats okay) (provides more B vitamins) approx. 1/2 teaspoon of honey. (makes the drink more tolerable) You could probably experiment with different items. After all, you're the one that's going to drink it. Sometimes I will use sesame seeds instead of sunflower seeds, you might even try pumpkin seed and see how that tastes (I've not yet tried it). The brand brewers yeast I've been suggesting purely for reason of taste it Lewis Labs. Lately I've been using other brewers yeasts and finding the taste is becoming more tolerable. I guess if you drink anything with a nasty taste long enough, you get used to it. When you taste the brewers yeast, you will be encourage to work on restoring your intestinal flora so that you can benefit from the manufacture of these vitamins inside you rather than having to expose your taste buds to them. (Oh yeah, if you're taking a vitamin pill, please be sure to supplement it with foods containing the nutrient.) All the best, Jim - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madlyn Creekmore" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Breakfast drink Date: 05 Mar 2003 11:47:36 -0800 Thanks for the site Jim! Excellent! Also, the drink - well, I wonder if I could keep it down - especially with raw egg. LOL Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:51 AM > > Dear thmi-fms subscriber, > > The following web site address was shared in another forum and I thought > that the information would be beneficial to those on this list. So I'm > passing it along. > > http://www.integrativephysician.org/PharmaceuticalDrugs.htm > > This site identifies specific nutrients that are depleted by use of many > of the medications commonly prescribed for different ailments. I have > provided some of this information in a table in the FMS presentation on > my site. > > Also on this site is a description of nutrients required by the body, > how they are used in the body, and food sources for them. Notice in > particular the B vitamins and recommended dietary sources. Brewers > yeast is listed as a good source for a number of B vitamins. > > The good bacteria in our digestive system produce some of these important > nutrients, particularly a number of the B vitamins. If our intestinal > flora is depleted, doesn't it make sense that we may have to include more > of these nutrients in our daily diet, at least until intestinal flora > is restored to healthy levels? > > Here is a recipe that I will often make for a breakfast drink. > > in blender > > 1.5 cups filtered water > 1/4 cup raw sunflower seeds (provides magnesium and zinc) > blend for about 60 secs then add > 1 - 2 heaping TBLS Sweet Dairy Whey (provides sodium and lactose) > 1 heaping TBLS brewers yeast (provides B vitamins) > 1 raw egg (I use the whole egg but if you want to just use the yolk > thats okay) (provides more B vitamins) > approx. 1/2 teaspoon of honey. (makes the drink more tolerable) > > You could probably experiment with different items. After all, you're > the one that's going to drink it. Sometimes I will use sesame seeds instead > of sunflower seeds, you might even try pumpkin seed and see how that > tastes (I've not yet tried it). > > The brand brewers yeast I've been suggesting purely for reason of taste > it Lewis Labs. Lately I've been using other brewers yeasts and finding the > taste is becoming more tolerable. I guess if you drink anything with a > nasty taste long enough, you get used to it. > > When you taste the brewers yeast, you will be encourage to work on > restoring your intestinal flora so that you can benefit from the > manufacture of these vitamins inside you rather than having to expose > your taste buds to them. (Oh yeah, if you're taking a vitamin pill, > please be sure to supplement it with foods containing the nutrient.) > > All the best, > Jim > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) Before I give up ... Date: 06 Mar 2003 15:41:33 -0700 (MST) Dear thmi-fms subscriber, Before I give up totally on this venture, I would like your assistance. Some of you have been on this list for over a year. What prevents you from taking action? Is it purely a matter of cost? Two heaters will provide the same health benefits that you would get from the FIR saunas costing $3,000 and up, for a fraction of that cost. Those that have been using the heaters. Would you please share your experience to the list. Did you have any adverse reactions to the heat? Did you have any problems sweating? How do you like the heat? Do you feel that they were too expensive? My long term goal was to lower the cost, but only being able to buy in low quantities I could not get volume discounts and shipping from overseas adds to the cost. (The only other site that I've found marketing FIR heaters is charging $50 more per heater.) Those that have FIR heaters, the heaters alone will not do the trick. You must include in your diet those foods that I've suggested for restoring health to the intestinal flora, the foods that will help build up the blood, and foods that provide for suspected mineral deficiencies. If you have invested in heaters and are not aware of what those foods are and where you can purchase them on the net and suggestions for preparation, email me or call me for this information. I will pay for another months ISP service to keep my website online. If things do not change, as in more participation from those I'm trying to help, this will be my last month online. Take advantage of it and ask any questions you may have. Many of you have been praying for help to get better. I've been praying that the Lord would direct people to me that may benefit from what I have to offer and have the resources to follow the program and help prove it. We may be the answers to each others prayers. Unfortunately, we may not find out. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Jones" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Before I give up ... Date: 06 Mar 2003 17:48:24 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) --------------Boundary-00=_OCNCBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_OCNC6RO0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_OCNC6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim,=0D =0D Please refresh my memory on the cost of the heaters. I may be VERY interested ! You have done a fine job.=0D I have had a lot on my plate recently. My Mom just died and now my wife i= s tired of dealing with my illness and is divorcing me ! When it rains it pours !=0D =0D Blessings, my friend.=0D You may write me on or off line.=0D ~ron~=0D cubtrap@bellsouth.net=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D =0D Dear thmi-fms subscriber,=0D =0D Before I give up totally on this venture, I would like your assistance.=0D Some of you have been on this list for over a year. What prevents you=0D from taking action? Is it purely a matter of cost?=0D =0D Two heaters will provide the same health benefits that you would get=0D from the FIR saunas costing $3,000 and up, for a fraction of that cost.=0D =0D Those that have been using the heaters. Would you please share your=0D experience to the list. Did you have any adverse reactions to the heat?=0D Did you have any problems sweating? How do you like the heat? Do you=0D feel that they were too expensive? My long term goal was to lower the=0D cost, but only being able to buy in low quantities I could not get volume= =0D discounts and shipping from overseas adds to the cost. (The only other=0D site that I've found marketing FIR heaters is charging $50 more per=0D heater.)=0D =0D Those that have FIR heaters, the heaters alone will not do the trick.=0D You must include in your diet those foods that I've suggested for=0D restoring health to the intestinal flora, the foods that will help build=0D up the blood, and foods that provide for suspected mineral deficiencies.=0D =0D If you have invested in heaters and are not aware of what those foods=0D are and where you can purchase them on the net and suggestions for=0D preparation, email me or call me for this information.=0D =0D I will pay for another months ISP service to keep my website online. If=0D things do not change, as in more participation from those I'm trying to=0D help, this will be my last month online. Take advantage of it and ask any= =0D questions you may have.=0D =0D Many of you have been praying for help to get better. I've been praying=0D that the Lord would direct people to me that may benefit from what I have= =0D to offer and have the resources to follow the program and help prove it.=0D We may be the answers to each others prayers. Unfortunately, we may not=0D find out.=0D =0D All the best,=0D Jim=0D _________________________________________________________________________= __=0D Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com=0D Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060=0D =0D -=0D To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com"=0D with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message.=0D For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send=0D "help" to the same address. 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Hi Jim,
 
Please refresh my memory on the cost of the heaters. I may be = VERY=20 interested ! You have done a fine job.
I have had a lot on my plate recently. My Mom just died and no= w my=20 wife is tired of dealing with my illness and is divorcing me ! When= it=20 rains it pours !
 
Blessings, my friend.
You may write me on or off line.
~ron~
cubtrap@bellsouth.net
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From: thmi-fms@lists.xmission= =2Ecom
Date: Thursd= ay, March=20 06, 2003 05:43:49 PM
To: thmi-fms@lists.xmission= =2Ecom
Subject: (th= mi-fms)=20 Before I give up ...
 
Dear thmi-fms subscriber,

Before I give up = totally=20 on this venture, I would like your assistance.
Some of you have = been on=20 this list for over a year. What prevents you
from taking action?= Is it=20 purely a matter of cost?

Two heaters will provide the same h= ealth=20 benefits that you would get
from the FIR saunas costing $3,000 a= nd up,=20 for a fraction of that cost.

Those that have been using the=20 heaters. Would you please share your
experience to the list. Did= you=20 have any adverse reactions to the heat?
Did you have any problem= s=20 sweating? How do you like the heat? Do you
feel that they were t= oo=20 expensive? My long term goal was to lower the
cost, but only bei= ng able=20 to buy in low quantities I could not get volume
discounts and sh= ipping=20 from overseas adds to the cost. (The only other
site that I've f= ound=20 marketing FIR heaters is charging $50 more per
heater.)

T= hose=20 that have FIR heaters, the heaters alone will not do the trick.
= You=20 must include in your diet those foods that I've suggested for
re= storing=20 health to the intestinal flora, the foods that will help build
u= p the=20 blood, and foods that provide for suspected mineral=20 deficiencies.

If you have invested in heaters and are not aw= are of=20 what those foods
are and where you can purchase them on the net = and=20 suggestions for
preparation, email me or call me for this=20 information.

I will pay for another months ISP service to ke= ep my=20 website online. If
things do not change, as in more participatio= n from=20 those I'm trying to
help, this will be my last month online. Tak= e=20 advantage of it and ask any
questions you may have.

Many = of you=20 have been praying for help to get better. I've been praying
that= the=20 Lord would direct people to me that may benefit from what I haveto=20 offer and have the resources to follow the program and help prove=20 it.
We may be the answers to each others prayers. Unfortunately,= we may=20 not
find out.

All the=20 best,
Jim
___________________________________________________= ________________________
Jim=20 Clements | email: clements@xmission.com
= Total=20 Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060

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To unsubscribe to=20 thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com"<= BR>with=20 "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message.
For informati= on on=20 digests or retrieving files and old messages send
"help" to the = same=20 address. Do not use quotes in your message.
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For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Before I give up ... Date: 06 Mar 2003 16:26:31 -0700 (MST) Hi Ron, I'm sorry to hear of the passing of your mother. I believe that families are eternal units and that we will one day be reunited. But losing a loved one is difficult. I'm sure that the stress has likely exacerbated your symptoms. I lost my father to cancer years ago. Had I known then what I know about health and the body, we may have tried a few things which may have restored his health. He had been complaining of stomach pains, had a check-up and the dr. said that he was okay and that he should maybe take some vitamins. A couple weeks later because the pain persisted he had exploratory surgery performed in which the cancer was found. The cancer was pretty far advanced when it was finally detected. As for a possible divorce, I hope that you can work things out. I've been divorced almost 19 years now and not a day passes that I do not miss her. Contrary to some stereotypes, I think men may be more sensitive than they express and probably explains why relatively few men open themselves up emotionally, to protect themselves from possible hurt. You can find out info on the heaters at http://www.thmi.com/FIR/heater.html If this illness is the only thing causing marital problems, I hope that you will give this program a go and encourage your wife to hang in there a little longer. There are many relationships that have been broken by this illness, I hope that yours will endure it. All the best, Jim On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Ron Jones wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Please refresh my memory on the cost of the heaters. I may be VERY > interested ! You have done a fine job. > I have had a lot on my plate recently. My Mom just died and now my wife is > tired of dealing with my illness and is divorcing me ! When it rains it > pours ! > > Blessings, my friend. > You may write me on or off line. > ~ron~ > cubtrap@bellsouth.net - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Before I give up ... Date: 06 Mar 2003 21:18:30 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C2E425.EFAE5DE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0046_01C2E425.EFAE5DE0" ------=_NextPart_001_0046_01C2E425.EFAE5DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim, I purchased the heaters from you awhile back and love them! I am sorry = more people have not tried them as I find it a very inexpensive way to = relax and sauna at home. In fact, I had a new experience yesterday with = the heaters I will share! I have a laundry room where I have the = heaters set up. I lean up against the dryer sitting on a chair pillow = with the heaters on each side of me. I have learned which outlets to = use to not risk a breaker tripping (a real bummer if you are home alone = and have to go out to flip it yourself!!!) Thanks to my husbands help = (he is an electrician! ) Yesterday, I dried clothes while sitting in = front of the dryer with both heaters on! Wow! It helped to increase = the intensity in there! I feel better when I sweat and my skin looks = great! While sitting there, I read, journal in my laptop, make phone = calls and stretch my ham strings and quads as I feel I must always = multi-task! I have even applied my hair color prior to sitting in there = and it helps to set the color better!=20 I have a lot of lower back pain as well as in my shoulders, neck and = hips. I have 5 horses to exercise and I am turning 50 y/o. I am 20 lbs = overweight in my opinion. I work 30 hours in 4 days w/o a break for = lunch or to put lipstick on. I leave work and no matter how tired I am = I do ranch work. Last week I shoveled mud for 4 hours on three days = (remember,,,you called me while I was doing that?) and replaced the mud = with new dirt and then 40 wheelbarrows of new pine shavings on top in 5 = stalls! I came home and sat in the laundry room and then took a hot = Epson salt bath! Was I still sore, you can bet your heaters I was! I = refuse to let the FM get me down! I still have a lot to overcome as I = still need to take drugs to sleep. My hips hurt so bad it keeps me = awake. The point is without the heaters I would have been more = miserable! Is it the cure?, No, but a part of it. They help! My = homeopath, Dr. Todd Rowe, said great idea with the heaters, keep it up. = I wish I had the time and discipline to do more! I had to give up my = Jazzercise classes I did 4 X Wk due to the fumes from the refinished = floor put me into an episode. I haven't worked out for 2 months. I = joined a fitness club last night to get the right kinds of exercise. I = think exercise mainly Yoga, stretching and light cardio is another = component of the cure with diet, proper nutrients with the sauna/heat. = The sweating helps to detoxify. This condition did not happen overnight = and the reversal will not come overnight. It takes doing a lot of things = differently over a period of time to change. I have dietary problems = that I have not overcome yet. I have not had ANY adverse reactions to = the heat, I love it. I also love the feeling I have after I have sat = there sweating for an hour. Yes, I stay in an hour and that is after = they have heated the room up for at least 30 minutes. I wish I had time = to do it every other day! I have never been able to perspire much, but = since I started doing this my body responds a little faster. I enjoy = drinking the whey and it has no adverse effect with my lactose = intolerance. I am not wealthy and live paycheck to paycheck like most. = My husband has been wonderful in not making any mockery of my = alternative therapies as some people do. He doesn't understand some of = it and doesn't have the time to try to. He works six 10 - 12 hour days. = He does see me some days curled up in a ball in bed ravaged in pain and = tears from the depression it brings. He isn't sure what to do with me = and I know that is hard for him as he never gets sick. I know for me = even though I truly love my husband, it is the love of my horses that = gets me motivated to get up! I yearn for the outdoors, the smell of the = stables and touching these incredibly sensitive creatures! They seem = to know I need their touch and motivation to move my body. After I get = going, no matter how bad it is, I seem to come around and start to enjoy = my life again!=20 I sincerely hope others will venture to try the heaters also. I was = reluctant to go out on a limb at first also. I have raised my children = alone for a long time and money was hard to find most the time for = essentials let alone alternative therapy. My new marriage has = eliminated those days but not my skepticism to spend money on things I = couldn't try first. =20 Jim has proven himself honorable with his incredible amount of research = dedicated to helping others. All research is backed with resources. I = love to do research online and I did look at heaters and ionizers just = for comparison in price and quality. This is something I just do when = shopping for anything from horse products to shoes! He was absolutely = right about everything he told me!=20 I am not totally well yet, but it is getting better. I know I have a = way to go and sometimes there are set backs. I think you have to find a = motivating 'spirit' within to pursue the cure! =20 I am happy to discuss my 'travels' with anyone interested! Good Luck Jim, Hope your site is going to stay! Thanks for all your help, Paula ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Jones=20 To: thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:48 PM Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Before I give up ... Hi Jim, Please refresh my memory on the cost of the heaters. I may be = VERY interested ! You have done a fine job. I have had a lot on my plate recently. My Mom just died and now = my wife is tired of dealing with my illness and is divorcing me ! When = it rains it pours ! Blessings, my friend. You may write me on or off line. ~ron~ cubtrap@bellsouth.net -------Original Message------- From: thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, March 06, 2003 05:43:49 PM To: thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com Subject: (thmi-fms) Before I give up ... Dear thmi-fms subscriber, Before I give up totally on this venture, I would like your = assistance. Some of you have been on this list for over a year. What = prevents you from taking action? Is it purely a matter of cost? Two heaters will provide the same health benefits that you would = get from the FIR saunas costing $3,000 and up, for a fraction of = that cost. Those that have been using the heaters. Would you please share = your experience to the list. Did you have any adverse reactions to = the heat? Did you have any problems sweating? How do you like the heat? Do = you feel that they were too expensive? My long term goal was to = lower the cost, but only being able to buy in low quantities I could not = get volume discounts and shipping from overseas adds to the cost. (The only = other site that I've found marketing FIR heaters is charging $50 more = per heater.) Those that have FIR heaters, the heaters alone will not do the = trick. You must include in your diet those foods that I've suggested = for restoring health to the intestinal flora, the foods that will = help build up the blood, and foods that provide for suspected mineral = deficiencies. If you have invested in heaters and are not aware of what those = foods are and where you can purchase them on the net and suggestions = for preparation, email me or call me for this information. I will pay for another months ISP service to keep my website = online. If things do not change, as in more participation from those I'm = trying to help, this will be my last month online. Take advantage of it = and ask any questions you may have. Many of you have been praying for help to get better. I've been = praying that the Lord would direct people to me that may benefit from = what I have to offer and have the resources to follow the program and help = prove it. We may be the answers to each others prayers. Unfortunately, we = may not find out. 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Hi Jim,
 
I purchased the heaters from you awhile = back and=20 love them!  I am sorry more people have not tried them as I find it = a very=20 inexpensive way to relax and sauna at home.  In fact, I had a new=20 experience yesterday with the heaters I will share!   I have a = laundry=20 room where I have the heaters set up.  I lean up against the dryer = sitting=20 on a chair pillow with the heaters on each side of me.  I have = learned=20 which outlets to use to not risk a breaker tripping (a real bummer if = you are=20 home alone and have to go out to flip it yourself!!!)  Thanks to my = husbands help (he is an electrician! )  Yesterday, = I dried=20 clothes while sitting in front of the dryer with both heaters = on! =20 Wow!  It helped to increase the intensity in there!  = I feel=20 better when I sweat and my skin looks great!  While sitting there, = I read,=20 journal in my laptop, make phone calls and stretch my ham strings = and=20 quads as I feel I must always multi-task!  I have even = applied my=20 hair color prior to sitting in there and it helps to set the color = better!=20
I have a lot of lower back pain as well = as in my=20 shoulders, neck and hips.  I have 5 horses to exercise and I = am=20 turning 50 y/o. I am 20 lbs overweight in my opinion. I work 30 = hours in 4=20 days w/o a break for lunch or to put lipstick on.  I leave = work and no=20 matter how tired I am I do ranch work.  Last week I shoveled mud = for 4=20 hours on three days (remember,,,you called me while I was doing that?) = and=20 replaced the mud with new dirt and then 40 wheelbarrows of new pine = shavings on top in 5 stalls!   I came home and sat in the = laundry room=20 and then took a hot Epson salt bath!  Was I still sore, you = can bet=20 your heaters I was!   I refuse to let the FM get me = down!  I=20 still have a lot to overcome as I still need to take drugs to = sleep.  My=20 hips hurt so bad it keeps me awake.   The point is without the = heaters=20 I would have been more miserable!    Is it the cure?, No, = but=20 a part  of it.  They help!  My homeopath, Dr. Todd = Rowe,=20 said great idea with the heaters, keep it up. I wish I had the time = and=20 discipline to do more!  I had to give up my Jazzercise classes I = did 4 X Wk=20 due to the fumes from the refinished floor put me into an episode.  = I=20 haven't worked out for 2 months.  I joined a fitness club last = night to get=20 the right kinds of exercise.  I think exercise mainly Yoga, = stretching and=20 light cardio is another component of the cure with diet, proper = nutrients with=20 the sauna/heat.  The sweating helps to detoxify. This = condition did=20 not happen overnight and the reversal will not come overnight. It takes=20 doing a lot of things differently over a period of time to=20 change.  I have dietary problems that I have not overcome = yet.  I have=20 not had ANY adverse reactions to the heat, I love it.  I also = love the=20 feeling I have after I have sat there sweating for an hour.  Yes, I = stay in an hour and that is after they have heated the room up for = at least=20 30 minutes.  I wish I had time to do it every other day!  I = have never=20 been able to perspire much, but since I started doing this my body = responds=20 a little faster.  I enjoy drinking the whey and it has=20 no adverse effect with my lactose intolerance.  I am = not=20 wealthy and live paycheck to paycheck like most.  My = husband has been=20 wonderful in not making any mockery of my alternative therapies as some = people=20 do.  He doesn't understand some of it and doesn't have the time to = try=20 to. He works six 10 - 12 hour days. He does see me some days curled = up in a=20 ball in bed ravaged in pain and tears from the depression it = brings. =20 He isn't sure what to do with me and I know that is hard for him as = he=20 never gets sick.  I know for me even though I truly love my = husband,=20 it is the love of my horses that gets me motivated to get up!  I = yearn for=20 the outdoors, the smell of the  stables and touching these = incredibly=20 sensitive creatures!  They seem to know I need their touch and = motivation=20 to move my body.  After I get going, no matter how bad it is, I = seem to=20 come around and start to enjoy my life again! 
I sincerely hope others will venture to = try the=20 heaters also.  I was reluctant to go out on a limb at first = also.  I=20 have raised my children alone for a long time and money was hard to=20 find most the time for essentials let alone alternative = therapy. =20 My new marriage has eliminated those days but not my = skepticism to=20 spend money on things I couldn't try = first.  
Jim has proven himself = honorable with=20  his incredible amount of research dedicated to helping = others. All=20 research is backed with resources.  I love to do research online = and I did=20 look at heaters and ionizers just for comparison in price and = quality. =20 This is something I just do when shopping for anything from horse = products to=20 shoes!  He was absolutely right about everything he told=20 me! 
I am not totally well yet, but it is = getting=20 better.  I know I have a way to go and sometimes there are set = backs.  I think you have to find a motivating 'spirit' within to = pursue the=20 cure!  
 
I am happy to discuss my 'travels' with = anyone=20 interested!
 
Good Luck Jim, Hope your site is going = to=20 stay!
Thanks for all your help,
Paula
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ron=20 Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 = 3:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Before = I give up=20 ...

<= /TR>
Hi Jim,
 
Please refresh my memory on the cost of the heaters. I may = be VERY=20 interested ! You have done a fine job.
I have had a lot on my plate recently. My Mom just died and = now my=20 wife is tired of dealing with my illness and is divorcing me ! = When it=20 rains it pours !
 
Blessings, my friend.
You may write me on or off line.
~ron~
cubtrap@bellsouth.net
-------Original=20 Message-------
 
From: thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com
Date: = Thursday, March=20 06, 2003 05:43:49 PM
To: thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = (thmi-fms)=20 Before I give up ...
 
Dear thmi-fms subscriber,

Before I give = up=20 totally on this venture, I would like your assistance.
Some = of you=20 have been on this list for over a year. What prevents = you
from taking=20 action? Is it purely a matter of cost?

Two heaters will = provide=20 the same health benefits that you would get
from the FIR = saunas=20 costing $3,000 and up, for a fraction of that cost.

Those = that=20 have been using the heaters. Would you please share = your
experience=20 to the list. Did you have any adverse reactions to the = heat?
Did you=20 have any problems sweating? How do you like the heat? Do = you
feel=20 that they were too expensive? My long term goal was to lower=20 the
cost, but only being able to buy in low quantities I = could not=20 get volume
discounts and shipping from overseas adds to the = cost.=20 (The only other
site that I've found marketing FIR heaters is = charging $50 more per
heater.)

Those that have FIR = heaters,=20 the heaters alone will not do the trick.
You must include in = your=20 diet those foods that I've suggested for
restoring health to = the=20 intestinal flora, the foods that will help build
up the = blood, and=20 foods that provide for suspected mineral deficiencies.

If = you=20 have invested in heaters and are not aware of what those = foods
are=20 and where you can purchase them on the net and suggestions=20 for
preparation, email me or call me for this = information.

I=20 will pay for another months ISP service to keep my website = online.=20 If
things do not change, as in more participation from those = I'm=20 trying to
help, this will be my last month online. Take = advantage of=20 it and ask any
questions you may have.

Many of you = have been=20 praying for help to get better. I've been praying
that the = Lord would=20 direct people to me that may benefit from what I have
to = offer and=20 have the resources to follow the program and help prove = it.
We may be=20 the answers to each others prayers. Unfortunately, we may = not
find=20 out.

All the=20 = best,
Jim
_________________________________________________________= __________________
Jim=20 Clements | email: clements@xmission.com
Total = Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060

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For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) Paula's experience, etc. Date: 07 Mar 2003 15:19:10 -0700 (MST) Dear thmi-fms subscribers, especially those using FIR heaters, and Paula; I'm glad that Paula shared her experience as it brings up some points that I think I should comment on. First, the need to use this forum to share what you are doing, regarding this program, even if you may not yet have seen great results. (Relief will eventually come if you follow the entire program.) Paula mentioned experiencing some depression. One thing that I found a couple years ago using the FIR sauna (I was using the box type sauna at this time.) was that frequent use could bring on depression. I think that this is attributed to the loss of zinc through perspiration. Janice, too, experienced some depression as a result of sauna use, she was using heaters. Also, in her case zinc helped. The highest food source for zinc is oysters, if you can handle that food it may be a good idea to include that occasionally in your diet. Another food that I suggest is also a good source for zinc. (The online source for that product I reserve for those that are following the program. It is a small one-person company, much like the business I am trying to get off the ground. I do not want them swamped with orders making it impossible for those following the program to get the product.) Had Paula not shared this, I would not have known to make that specific suggestion for her. Also, zinc has been found low in the cerebral spinal fluid where substance P has been found to be high. I've not found any specific research that suggests a direction correlation between the two but I think that there may be. Another observation that she makes is that when the dryer was going she experienced an increase in sweating. The ideal sauna environment will have warm air. FIR waves do not heat up the air. I suggest that the room be warmed up by running the heaters for about 30 - 40 minutes first, directing the heaters to something wood in the room, like a door. The wood will absorb the FIR wave and become warm, the warmth of the wood will then heat the air. Another person has found that having a small heater that heats the air in the room helps improve the sauna environment. One person that was using two heaters in her bathroom was having problems sweating. Her bathroom had a lot of ceramic tiles, on floor and counter tops. The ceramic tiles were keeping the air cool, taking away from the sauna environment. She mentions tripping breakers. Each heater pulls about 9 amps of current. If you have a 20 amp breaker on the circuit supplying power to the room you are using you should have no problems. Every now and then the two heaters will pop the breaker and I must reset it. For some, it may be necessary to use an extension cord to plug one heater into an outlet on another circuit. If this must be done be sure to use an extension cord that can handle the load. If you have any questions please feel free to ask. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madlyn Creekmore" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Paula's experience, etc. Date: 07 Mar 2003 15:30:25 -0800 Thank you Jim, it does help a lot to have hands on experiences told here. Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:19 PM > > > Dear thmi-fms subscribers, especially those using FIR heaters, and Paula; > > I'm glad that Paula shared her experience as it brings up some points > that I think I should comment on. > > First, the need to use this forum to share what you are doing, regarding > this program, even if you may not yet have seen great results. (Relief > will eventually come if you follow the entire program.) > > Paula mentioned experiencing some depression. One thing that I found a > couple years ago using the FIR sauna (I was using the box type sauna at > this time.) was that frequent use could bring on depression. I think that > this is attributed to the loss of zinc through perspiration. Janice, too, > experienced some depression as a result of sauna use, she was using > heaters. Also, in her case zinc helped. > > The highest food source for zinc is oysters, if you can handle that food > it may be a good idea to include that occasionally in your diet. Another > food that I suggest is also a good source for zinc. (The online source > for that product I reserve for those that are following the program. It > is a small one-person company, much like the business I am trying to get > off the ground. I do not want them swamped with orders making it > impossible for those following the program to get the product.) > > Had Paula not shared this, I would not have known to make that specific > suggestion for her. Also, zinc has been found low in the cerebral spinal > fluid where substance P has been found to be high. I've not found any > specific research that suggests a direction correlation between the two > but I think that there may be. > > Another observation that she makes is that when the dryer was going she > experienced an increase in sweating. The ideal sauna environment will > have warm air. FIR waves do not heat up the air. I suggest that the room > be warmed up by running the heaters for about 30 - 40 minutes first, > directing the heaters to something wood in the room, like a door. The > wood will absorb the FIR wave and become warm, the warmth of the wood will > then heat the air. Another person has found that having a small heater > that heats the air in the room helps improve the sauna environment. > > One person that was using two heaters in her bathroom was having problems > sweating. Her bathroom had a lot of ceramic tiles, on floor and counter > tops. The ceramic tiles were keeping the air cool, taking away from the > sauna environment. > > She mentions tripping breakers. Each heater pulls about 9 amps of > current. If you have a 20 amp breaker on the circuit supplying power to > the room you are using you should have no problems. Every now and then > the two heaters will pop the breaker and I must reset it. For some, it > may be necessary to use an extension cord to plug one heater into an > outlet on another circuit. If this must be done be sure to use an > extension cord that can handle the load. > > If you have any questions please feel free to ask. > > All the best, > Jim > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ElleClev@aol.com Subject: (thmi-fms) Using Heaters as Sauna Date: 08 Mar 2003 05:31:14 EST --part1_c9.310321e4.2b9b2072_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jim, I'm interested in purchasing two of the FIR heaters. Do you have any left? The only place I could use them is in a small bathroom. One of the heaters would be 3 feet away and the other would be 4 feet away. Would this work? I won't write more now as it is the wee hours of the morning. Thank you very much for all the information on your website and on this list. Ellen Cleveland sunbearxxs@aol.com --part1_c9.310321e4.2b9b2072_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim,

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sunbearxxs@aol.com --part1_c9.310321e4.2b9b2072_boundary-- - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Using Heaters as Sauna Date: 08 Mar 2003 09:17:21 -0700 (MST) Hi thmi-fms subcribers and Ellen, I am responding to the list with an answer to the question raised in Ellen's email. She was asking about the space requirements for use of the FIR heaters. When I use the heaters, the heaters are placed about 4 1/2 feet apart. I place a towel on the floor between the two heaters and sit on it. When I sit between the heaters, I am about 2 feet away from each heater. (I don't know if anyone that may have an aversion to heat has had to slowly condition themselves to the FIR heat. So far I've not heard of anyone having a negative response to the heat.) The reason that I suggest a small room is that the actual temperature of the air must be raised too. Keep in mind that the FIR heat does not heat the air. What I do is face the heaters towards the door or some other surface to heat up the room. The wood on the door absorbs the FIR waves and heats up, the warm surface then gives off heat that warms the air. When I go into the room to sauna I move the heaters so that they face each other, about 4 1/2 feet seperation measured at the base of the heaters. ( I have not measured the actual room temperature, it is warm but it does not get real hot.) My thinking is that a bathroom, typically a small room and with less total air space compared to other rooms in a house, may be easier to warm up. Paula is using her laundry room. As she reported the sauna benefit was improved when the dryer was operating. This is because the heat from the dryer helped to raise the temperature of the air. Any room in the house will work if you can raise the air temperature a bit. A conventional space heater may work for this in some situations. (I use a rolled up towel to block any drafts that may come from under the door.) My sitting position. When I sit down between the heaters I sit with my hind end on the towel and knees raised in the air. The arches of my feet rest on the front corners of the heater in front of me, legs slightly separated. I lean forward and lay my arms over my legs so that the inside of the elbow rests on the knees, I find that this position seems to take most of the pressure off the lower back while sitting upright. From Paula's post she said that she would sit with the heaters on each side. I sit with a heater in front and one in back. Sometimes I'll lean my face closer to the heater in front, about 1 foot away, for a few minutes. A few of the people using the heaters have reported that they have seen some improvement in skin tone and complexion. I just like the feel of the heat on the face. Drink water. I will drink 1/2 gallon of water while saunaing. Some people have found it easier to drink some of this water while the room is warming up, and the remainder during the sauna. This water is in addition to your daily water intake. Those with known low electrolytes may have to use their own judgement in this area until electrolytes are restored. If there are any questions please feel free to ask. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 ElleClev@aol.com wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I'm interested in purchasing two of the FIR heaters. Do you have any > left? > > The only place I could use them is in a small bathroom. One of the > heaters would be 3 feet away and the other would be 4 feet away. Would this > work? > > I won't write more now as it is the wee hours of the morning. > > Thank you very much for all the information on your website and on > this list. > > Ellen Cleveland > sunbearxxs@aol.com > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madlyn Creekmore" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Using Heaters as Sauna Date: 08 Mar 2003 18:37:22 -0800 Just thought I'd throw in my recipe for brewers yeast drink. I make a "bloody mary" with 1/2 tomato juice, 1/2 water, 2 tsps yeast, celery salt and some Tabasco sauce. Yum, makes me remember the old days and how I got myself this way! LOL Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:17 AM > > Hi thmi-fms subcribers and Ellen, > > I am responding to the list with an answer to the question raised in > Ellen's email. She was asking about the space requirements for use of the > FIR heaters. > > When I use the heaters, the heaters are placed about 4 1/2 feet apart. > I place a towel on the floor between the two heaters and sit on it. When > I sit between the heaters, I am about 2 feet away from each heater. (I > don't know if anyone that may have an aversion to heat has had to slowly > condition themselves to the FIR heat. So far I've not heard of anyone > having a negative response to the heat.) > > The reason that I suggest a small room is that the actual temperature of > the air must be raised too. Keep in mind that the FIR heat does not heat > the air. What I do is face the heaters towards the door or some other > surface to heat up the room. The wood on the door absorbs the FIR waves > and heats up, the warm surface then gives off heat that warms the air. > When I go into the room to sauna I move the heaters so that they face each > other, about 4 1/2 feet seperation measured at the base of the heaters. > ( I have not measured the actual room temperature, it is warm but it does > not get real hot.) > > My thinking is that a bathroom, typically a small room and with less > total air space compared to other rooms in a house, may be easier to warm > up. Paula is using her laundry room. As she reported the sauna benefit > was improved when the dryer was operating. This is because the heat from > the dryer helped to raise the temperature of the air. > > Any room in the house will work if you can raise the air temperature a > bit. A conventional space heater may work for this in some situations. > (I use a rolled up towel to block any drafts that may come from under the > door.) > > My sitting position. When I sit down between the heaters I sit with my > hind end on the towel and knees raised in the air. The arches of my feet > rest on the front corners of the heater in front of me, legs slightly > separated. I lean forward and lay my arms over my legs so that the inside > of the elbow rests on the knees, I find that this position seems to take > most of the pressure off the lower back while sitting upright. > > From Paula's post she said that she would sit with the heaters on each > side. I sit with a heater in front and one in back. > > Sometimes I'll lean my face closer to the heater in front, about 1 foot > away, for a few minutes. A few of the people using the heaters have > reported that they have seen some improvement in skin tone and complexion. > I just like the feel of the heat on the face. > > Drink water. I will drink 1/2 gallon of water while saunaing. Some > people have found it easier to drink some of this water while the room is > warming up, and the remainder during the sauna. This water is in addition > to your daily water intake. Those with known low electrolytes may have to > use their own judgement in this area until electrolytes are restored. > > If there are any questions please feel free to ask. > > All the best, > Jim > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 ElleClev@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi Jim, > > > > I'm interested in purchasing two of the FIR heaters. Do you have any > > left? > > > > The only place I could use them is in a small bathroom. One of the > > heaters would be 3 feet away and the other would be 4 feet away. Would this > > work? > > > > I won't write more now as it is the wee hours of the morning. > > > > Thank you very much for all the information on your website and on > > this list. > > > > Ellen Cleveland > > sunbearxxs@aol.com > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Jones" Subject: (thmi-fms) Fw: Re: [FR] FMS/Thyroid Date: 09 Mar 2003 08:34:24 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) --------------Boundary-00=_CPHHBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_DPHH6RO0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_DPHH6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jim,=0D =0D Here's a recent post from the FMS recovery site along with the address.=0D I bought some Brewer's Yeast and Sweet Dairy whey yesterday. Looking forw= ard to the heaters. Thanks for your kindness and your willingness to be such = a supportive friend. I appreciate your thoughtfulness. We'll stay in touch.= =0D =0D Blessings,=0D ~ron~=0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D =0D Martha wrote:=0D =0D The main cause of fibromyalgia has been determined. As we recently announ= ced=0D in France, in most cases, fibromyalgia is caused by inadequate thyroid=0D hormone regulation of cell function. The inadequate regulation results fr= om=0D thyroid hormone deficiency and/or partial cellular resistance to thyroid=0D hormone.=0D =0D Hi all,=0D I had to write in response to the above quote from Martha. About 15-18 ye= ars=0D ago, I was treated for systemic candidias and given Armour thyroid based = on my=0D symptoms rather than my blood tests which read in the average but low average=0D range. These 2 treatments gave me back my life and I never felt better.=0D But 5 years ago I was once again whammied with bedridden FMS/CFS/MPS/IC/VV/IBS=0D and was sick, sick, sick. I could barely breath normally, and even had problems=0D with swallowing and my gag reflex.=0D =0D I was then officially diagnosed with FMS by my GP and a neurologist.=0D When their treatmenst did nothing=0D to alleviate my sympotms, I turned to the internet and found the=0D guaifenesin protocol. I took it for 2 years,=0D seemed to "stall" in my recovery and then began the HP's. This April,=0D I will have been on the HP's for=0D 1 year and feel ever so much better. I am gradually getting my life=0D back and am able to do so much more=0D on this protocol than the guai. I still take Armour thyroid, and found=0D that it helps even more if I place it=0D under my tongue and allow it to dissolve naturally---thanks to whomever=0D posted that suggestion!.=0D =0D Thyroid treatment for me was not the answer to FMS. I really do=0D believe that Dr. St. A's theory is the=0D the real culprit for me. And now, with the latest research from Custom=0D Homeopathics, I think the reason=0D my kidneys don't eliminate phosphates may stem from a malfunctioning of=0D the pineal gland.=0D =0D I do believe the FMS diagnosis has become a "garbage can" diagnosis for=0D unexplained symptoms, and that=0D there is probably multiple causes of FMS, such as Lyme disease, mecury=0D toxicity, bad nutrition,etc., etc.=0D =0D But for me, right now, it seems to me my problem stems from inadequate=0D elimination of calcium phosphates.=0D I feel we do indeed have to become our own physicians to get to the root=0D of our problem.=0D =0D Godpseed to all of our recoveries,=0D Bonnie in So. IL=0D =0D ++++++=0D This message is the intellectual property of the author=0D and should not be forwarded anywhere without the author's consent.=0D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D To read our private archives, alter subscription or leave, please go to:=0D =0D ++++++=0D =2E --------------Boundary-00=_DPHH6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0A
Hi Jim,
 
Here's a recent post from the FMS recovery site along with the= =20 address.
I bought some Brewer's Yeast and Sweet Dairy whey yesterday. L= ooking=20 forward to the heaters. Thanks for your kindness and your willingne= ss to=20 be such a supportive friend. I appreciate your thoughtfulness. We'l= l stay=20 in touch.
 
Blessings,
~ron~
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------<= /I>
 
From: Bonnie Wolfe
Date: Saturd= ay, March=20 08, 2003 10:02:27 AM
To: FMS-RECOVERY@MAE= LSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
Subject: Re:= [FR]=20 FMS/Thyroid
 
Martha wrote:

The main cause of fibromyalgi= a has=20 been determined. As we recently announced
in France, in most cas= es,=20 fibromyalgia is caused by inadequate thyroid
hormone regulation = of cell=20 function. The inadequate regulation results from
thyroid hormone= =20 deficiency and/or partial cellular resistance to=20 thyroid
hormone.

Hi all,
I had to write in response to= the=20 above quote from Martha. About 15-18 years
ago, I was treated fo= r=20 systemic candidias and given Armour thyroid based on my
symptoms= rather=20 than my blood tests which read in the average but low average
ra= nge.=20 These 2 treatments gave me back my life and I never felt better.But 5=20 years ago I was once again whammied with bedridden=20 FMS/CFS/MPS/IC/VV/IBS
and was sick, sick, sick. I could barely b= reath=20 normally, and even had problems
with swallowing and my gag=20 reflex.

I was then officially diagnosed with FMS by my GP an= d a=20 neurologist.
When their treatmenst did nothing
to alleviate m= y=20 sympotms, I turned to the internet and found the
guaifenesin pro= tocol.=20 I took it for 2 years,
seemed to "stall" in my recovery and then= began=20 the HP's. This April,
I will have been on the HP's for
1 year= and=20 feel ever so much better. I am gradually getting my life
back an= d am=20 able to do so much more
on this protocol than the guai. I still = take=20 Armour thyroid, and found
that it helps even more if I place=20 it
under my tongue and allow it to dissolve naturally---thanks t= o=20 whomever
posted that suggestion!.

Thyroid treatment for m= e was=20 not the answer to FMS. I really do
believe that Dr. St. A's theo= ry is=20 the
the real culprit for me. And now, with the latest research f= rom=20 Custom
Homeopathics, I think the reason
my kidneys don't elim= inate=20 phosphates may stem from a malfunctioning of
the pineal gland.
I=20 do believe the FMS diagnosis has become a "garbage can" diagnosis=20 for
unexplained symptoms, and that
there is probably multiple= causes=20 of FMS, such as Lyme disease, mecury
toxicity, bad nutrition,etc= =2E,=20 etc.

But for me, right now, it seems to me my problem stems = from=20 inadequate
elimination of calcium phosphates.
I feel we do in= deed=20 have to become our own physicians to get to the root
of our=20 problem.

Godpseed to all of our recoveries,
Bonnie in So.= =20 IL

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and should not be forwarded anywhere without the author's= =20 consent.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
To read our private archives, alt= er subscription or=20 leave, please go to:
<ht= tp://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/fms-recovery.html>
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  You sent this to the wrong person.

            = ;            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;            = ;Gerry

--part1_1ea.3ccafb4.2b9d11cd_boundary-- - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Penny Houle Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) fibromyalgia Date: 09 Mar 2003 14:54:40 -0800 (PST) Cirris97@aol.com wrote: Dear Magda: You sent this to the wrong person. Gerry Dear Gerry, So did you! ;-) penny p.s. just kidding. This is the thmi-fms list and the e-mails go to everyone who's subscribed to the list. Perhaps you forgot that you subscribed? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cirris97@aol.com Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) fibromyalgia Date: 09 Mar 2003 18:13:04 EST --part1_125.1f47886e.2b9d2480_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Magda: Sorry about that.[Your reply was funny] Gerry --part1_125.1f47886e.2b9d2480_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Magda:

           Sorry= about that.[Your reply was funny]

            = ;            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;            = ;  Gerry
--part1_125.1f47886e.2b9d2480_boundary-- - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Jones" Subject: (thmi-fms) HP's and getting us out of the loop Date: 09 Mar 2003 18:24:10 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) --------------Boundary-00=_A09IG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_A09IBHK0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_A09IBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi ALL,=0D =0D Seems I started this getting out of control. I thought my post might ONLY= go to Jim. I was surely mistaken. This list is setup different than many in that you cannot reply only to the person that generated the initial post.= =0D =0D I had told Jim I would send him the name of another FMS group to check ou= t. Technically, I should NOT have forwarded the post from another author without her consent. Apologies. ( I thought I was sending it to Jim alone= =2E)=0D I do NOT think the author would of objected. She's a NICE lady.=0D =0D Nevertheless HP's refer to Custom Homeopathics which many members from th= e FMS-RECOVERY@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU; have taken. You may choose to join th= e group, and search the archives for further info. Hope this helps !!!=0D =0D Be Well,=0D =0D ~ron~=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D =0D Magda: =0D =0D Sorry about that.[Your reply was funny] =0D =0D Gerry=20 --------------Boundary-00=_A09IBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0A
Hi ALL,
 
Seems I started this getting out of control. I thought my post= might=20 ONLY go to Jim. I was surely mistaken. This list is setup different= than=20 many in that you cannot reply only to the person that generated the= =20 initial post.
 
I had told Jim I would send him the name of another FMS group = to=20 check out. Technically, I should NOT have forwarded the post from a= nother=20 author without her consent. Apologies. ( I thought I was sending it= to Jim=20 alone.)
I do NOT think the author would of objected. She's a NICE lady= =2E
 
Nevertheless HP's refer to Custom Homeopathics which many memb= ers=20 from the FMS-RECOVERY@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU;=20 have taken. You may choose to join the group, and search the archiv= es for=20 further info. Hope this helps !!!
 
Be Well,
 
~ron~
 
-------Original Message-------<= /I>
 
From: thmi-fms@lists.xmission= =2Ecom
Date: Sunday= , March 09,=20 2003 06:15:34 PM
To: thmi-fms@lists.xmission= =2Ecom
Subject: Re:= (thmi-fms)=20 fibromyalgia
 
Magda:= =20

          = ; Sorry=20 about that.[Your reply was funny]=20

          = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     Gerry=20
 
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What did I send you?    I sent to = the list=20 I though.  Madi
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cirris97@aol.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 = 1:53=20 PM
Subject: Re: (thmi-fms)=20 fibromyalgia

Dear Magda: =

  You sent this to the wrong person.=20 =

           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;  Gerry=20

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Well, I think I am the way I am because I tried = to do to=20 much in life and partying was one of the things I used to do well.  = LOL
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cirris97@aol.com=20
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 = 3:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: (thmi-fms)=20 fibromyalgia

Magda:=20 =

           = ;Sorry=20 about that.[Your reply was funny]=20 =

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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C2E667.571F8A60-- - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Fw: Re: [FR] FMS/Thyroid Date: 10 Mar 2003 11:23:14 -0700 (MST) Hi Ron & other subscribers, Thank you for sharing this information. I too was puzzled by what HP's meant. I'm glad that others had asked it, now I know. Anyway, a few comments on some of the information presented in these posts. Low thyroid. I think most people with CFS/FMS are low thyroid due to thyroid exhaustion but that in the early days of the illness I don't think that thyroid output was low and that this is something that has happened over time. (certainly a subset of people may have acquired CFS/FMS symptoms as a direct result of low thyroid condition.) There was mention of thyroid resistance. This reminds me of insulin resistance. One job of insulin is to open the channel to allow glucose into the cell. The insulin can open the door, but if there is no room for the glucose to enter the cell because the cell already has all the glucose it can handle at the moment, then glucose cannot enter the cell and stays in the bloodstream. Insulin gets a bad rap because from our perspective it is not doing it's job. I think thyroid resistance may be similar. We expect thyroid to raise metabolism. Thyroid hormones only signal for an increase in metabolism, (as do adrenal hormones and hGH). If metabolism does not increase the thyroid gets the blame. But actually the thyroid has done its job, it sent the signal. If you turn up the house thermostat, which sends the signal to the furnace to turn up the heat, and the furnace does not turn on for lack of fuel, is the thermostat the problem? It sent the signal, which is its function. I think the same holds true for the thyroid. However, over time, continuously producing thyroid hormone to signal an increase of metabolism the thyroid exhausts the resources needed to manufacture the hormones it produces. Also is mention of Dr. St Amands theory of poor phosphate elimination. These phosphates, according to info on the bioterrain site, block entry of magnesium into the cell. Without magnesium, the kreb cycle is blocked. This may be the reason for the low metabolism, (or at least may be a partial contributing factor). Anyway, Dr. St Amands approach is to use Guai to assist in expeling phosphates from the system. But, the phosphates are being produced due to the low pH inside the cell. My thinking is that once cellular pH is restored to normal values then phosphate production will return to normal and no longer impede entry of magnesium into the cell. (The thought just occured to me is that maybe cells could be being blocked from receiving the hormonal signals to turn up the heat by these phosphates, just like they are blocking magnesium. I'll have to see what I can find on the web.) Ron, glad to hear that you've gotten the whey and brewers yeast. For those that may be unfamiliar with the benefit of these foods. The whey is suggested for the sodium and lactose it provides (people with lactose intolerance may find it necessary to take another approach or to try the whey at lower levels and slowly increasing as they become more tolerant) One goal of the program is to restore the gut ecolology of the good bacteria, whey assists in this. From the book "Acidophilus and Colon Health" it is suggested that we include 6 - 8 tablespoons of whey into our dialy diet. While the good bacteria in our gut is depleted there are a number of nutrients, normally synthesized in our bodies by these bacteria, that are reduced as a result, especially some of the B vitamins. The purpose of the brewers yeast is to compensate for this reduction. When gut ecology is returned to healthy levels then supplementing with brewers yeast can probably be reduced or halted altogether. A good probiotic. For some people just taking the whey may be sufficient to restore healthy levels of the good bacteria to our gut. This is conditional upon there being some of the good bacteria present. This process can probably be speeded up by taking a good probiotic. I have no personal preference. I've been suggesting Flora Source, but some people have found that they experienced some initial adverse response the that product, I think it was more a kind of detox reaction. Primal Defense seems to be the product that is getting a lot of attention lately. However, taken per the schedule and quantity suggested by the manufacture it can become very expensive. Although, I think that with the inclusion of whey in the diet, the Primal Defense may be beneficial at much lower levels of supplementation. From what I can tell the "Primal Defense" and "Flora Source" are very similar in the types of bacteria present in the probiotic. The "Primal Defense" includes some soil based organisms, but my understanding is that only specific kinds of bactria can thrive in the human gut. (My understaning is that acidiphilus from a cows gut thrives in a cow, but is different than the type acidophilus that thrives in the human GI tract, and will not colonize there. So a probiotic should be of that variety that thrives in humans.) I'm looking into an acidophilus powder. I don't think that it is necessary to daily supplement with a probiotic. After levels are returned to normal, if our diet includes those foods that feed the good bacteria, we should be able to keep the culture thriving. As long as stress, chemical exposure, antibiotics do not deplete them again. Ron, be sure to order the one product that I emailed you about. Until I find other sources for this product on the web, I have not shared the information openly. Another goal of the program is to build up the blood. After all, it is the blood that carries the oxygen and nutrients to the cell. Some researchers have found that people with CFS/FMS are low in red blood cell count and low in blood volume. This product is used to address this area. I am looking for other sources. I hope that this finds everyone doing well. Thank you all for your support. Those with heaters, I hope that your using them. I suggest about 2X per week, evenly spaced ie. Mon.&Thur, Tue&Fri.. If your saunaing and experiencing some slight depression, as Paula reported was one of her experiences, it may be due to further depletion of zinc that is responsible. If you diet includes the foods that I've suggested then you should not experience and depression as a result of the sauna. All the best, Jim Ron, thanks for the info on the other forum, I'll check it out. PS: It's good habit to check the To: line of any email you send to make certain that it is being sent to the intended party. I have slipped in this area at times too. ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Ron Jones wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Here's a recent post from the FMS recovery site along with the address. > I bought some Brewer's Yeast and Sweet Dairy whey yesterday. Looking forward > to the heaters. Thanks for your kindness and your willingness to be such a > supportive friend. I appreciate your thoughtfulness. We'll stay in touch. > > Blessings, > ~ron~ > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Bonnie Wolfe > Date: Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:02:27 AM > To: FMS-RECOVERY@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU > Subject: Re: [FR] FMS/Thyroid > > Martha wrote: > > The main cause of fibromyalgia has been determined. As we recently announced > in France, in most cases, fibromyalgia is caused by inadequate thyroid > hormone regulation of cell function. The inadequate regulation results from > thyroid hormone deficiency and/or partial cellular resistance to thyroid > hormone. > > Hi all, > I had to write in response to the above quote from Martha. About 15-18 years > ago, I was treated for systemic candidias and given Armour thyroid based on > my > symptoms rather than my blood tests which read in the average but low > average > range. These 2 treatments gave me back my life and I never felt better. > But 5 years ago I was once again whammied with bedridden > FMS/CFS/MPS/IC/VV/IBS > and was sick, sick, sick. I could barely breath normally, and even had > problems > with swallowing and my gag reflex. > > I was then officially diagnosed with FMS by my GP and a neurologist. > When their treatmenst did nothing > to alleviate my sympotms, I turned to the internet and found the > guaifenesin protocol. I took it for 2 years, > seemed to "stall" in my recovery and then began the HP's. This April, > I will have been on the HP's for > 1 year and feel ever so much better. I am gradually getting my life > back and am able to do so much more > on this protocol than the guai. I still take Armour thyroid, and found > that it helps even more if I place it > under my tongue and allow it to dissolve naturally---thanks to whomever > posted that suggestion!. > > Thyroid treatment for me was not the answer to FMS. I really do > believe that Dr. St. A's theory is the > the real culprit for me. And now, with the latest research from Custom > Homeopathics, I think the reason > my kidneys don't eliminate phosphates may stem from a malfunctioning of > the pineal gland. > > I do believe the FMS diagnosis has become a "garbage can" diagnosis for > unexplained symptoms, and that > there is probably multiple causes of FMS, such as Lyme disease, mecury > toxicity, bad nutrition,etc., etc. > > But for me, right now, it seems to me my problem stems from inadequate > elimination of calcium phosphates. > I feel we do indeed have to become our own physicians to get to the root > of our problem. > > Godpseed to all of our recoveries, > Bonnie in So. IL > > ++++++ > This message is the intellectual property of the author > and should not be forwarded anywhere without the author's consent. > ====== > To read our private archives, alter subscription or leave, please go to: > > ++++++ > . - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cirris97@aol.com Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) fibromyalgia Date: 12 Mar 2003 19:10:29 EST --part1_a6.352de9ee.2ba12675_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mad: Sorry, my mistake. Gerry --part1_a6.352de9ee.2ba12675_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mad:

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For differing view points PRO information can be found at: http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/introduction.html And CON information can be found at: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html As for my own thinking, If the modality was not proving some positive benefit it is unlikely that it would have endured over 200 years. There is still much that is not known about the functioning of the human body. It may be that those that do experience positive results using HPs, see the benefit because of their expectations. Faith has a very powerful influence on physical health. The medical community would call that a placebo affect. But if the end result is positive who cares how it was gained, as long as no one was harmed in the process. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 Cirris97@aol.com wrote: > Hi everybody: > > What are HP's. > > Gerry > > > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madlyn Creekmore" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies Date: 12 Mar 2003 23:28:14 -0800 The only HP that ever worked for me was Arnica gel. It did stop and itch for me. Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:45 PM > > Hi everybody, > > The post that contained mention of HP use was shared from another forum. > I suspect that the topic is common in that forum so the abreviation of > HP for homeopathic remedies was sufficient. > > Anyway to answer your question HPs are homeopathics. There is mixed > opinion as to how legitimate this modality is. For differing view points > > PRO information can be found at: > http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/introduction.html > > And CON information can be found at: > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html > > As for my own thinking, If the modality was not proving some positive > benefit it is unlikely that it would have endured over 200 years. There > is still much that is not known about the functioning of the human body. > It may be that those that do experience positive results using HPs, see > the benefit because of their expectations. Faith has a very powerful > influence on physical health. The medical community would call that a > placebo affect. But if the end result is positive who cares how it was > gained, as long as no one was harmed in the process. > > All the best, > Jim > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 Cirris97@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi everybody: > > > > What are HP's. > > > > Gerry > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Robertson" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies Date: 12 Mar 2003 23:31:10 -0800 how about bach flower remedy's? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:28 PM > The only HP that ever worked for me was Arnica gel. It did stop and itch > for me. Madi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "THMI" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:45 PM > Subject: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > The post that contained mention of HP use was shared from another forum. > > I suspect that the topic is common in that forum so the abreviation of > > HP for homeopathic remedies was sufficient. > > > > Anyway to answer your question HPs are homeopathics. There is mixed > > opinion as to how legitimate this modality is. For differing view points > > > > PRO information can be found at: > > http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/introduction.html > > > > And CON information can be found at: > > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html > > > > As for my own thinking, If the modality was not proving some positive > > benefit it is unlikely that it would have endured over 200 years. There > > is still much that is not known about the functioning of the human body. > > It may be that those that do experience positive results using HPs, see > > the benefit because of their expectations. Faith has a very powerful > > influence on physical health. The medical community would call that a > > placebo affect. But if the end result is positive who cares how it was > > gained, as long as no one was harmed in the process. > > > > All the best, > > Jim > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 Cirris97@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Hi everybody: > > > > > > What are HP's. > > > > > > Gerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madlyn Creekmore" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies Date: 12 Mar 2003 23:31:36 -0800 Woops, I meant it did stop an itch for me. Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:28 PM > The only HP that ever worked for me was Arnica gel. It did stop and itch > for me. Madi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "THMI" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:45 PM > Subject: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > The post that contained mention of HP use was shared from another forum. > > I suspect that the topic is common in that forum so the abreviation of > > HP for homeopathic remedies was sufficient. > > > > Anyway to answer your question HPs are homeopathics. There is mixed > > opinion as to how legitimate this modality is. For differing view points > > > > PRO information can be found at: > > http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/introduction.html > > > > And CON information can be found at: > > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html > > > > As for my own thinking, If the modality was not proving some positive > > benefit it is unlikely that it would have endured over 200 years. There > > is still much that is not known about the functioning of the human body. > > It may be that those that do experience positive results using HPs, see > > the benefit because of their expectations. Faith has a very powerful > > influence on physical health. The medical community would call that a > > placebo affect. But if the end result is positive who cares how it was > > gained, as long as no one was harmed in the process. > > > > All the best, > > Jim > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 Cirris97@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Hi everybody: > > > > > > What are HP's. > > > > > > Gerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madlyn Creekmore" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies Date: 12 Mar 2003 23:44:16 -0800 My girlfriend loves them but I've tried them and they never work for me. Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:31 PM > how about bach flower remedy's? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Madlyn Creekmore" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:28 PM > Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > The only HP that ever worked for me was Arnica gel. It did stop and itch > > for me. Madi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "THMI" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:45 PM > > Subject: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > The post that contained mention of HP use was shared from another > forum. > > > I suspect that the topic is common in that forum so the abreviation of > > > HP for homeopathic remedies was sufficient. > > > > > > Anyway to answer your question HPs are homeopathics. There is mixed > > > opinion as to how legitimate this modality is. For differing view > points > > > > > > PRO information can be found at: > > > http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/introduction.html > > > > > > And CON information can be found at: > > > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html > > > > > > As for my own thinking, If the modality was not proving some positive > > > benefit it is unlikely that it would have endured over 200 years. There > > > is still much that is not known about the functioning of the human body. > > > It may be that those that do experience positive results using HPs, see > > > the benefit because of their expectations. Faith has a very powerful > > > influence on physical health. The medical community would call that a > > > placebo affect. But if the end result is positive who cares how it was > > > gained, as long as no one was harmed in the process. > > > > > > All the best, > > > Jim > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > > > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 Cirris97@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > Hi everybody: > > > > > > > > What are HP's. > > > > > > > > Gerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Robertson" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies Date: 13 Mar 2003 09:15:15 -0800 curious i work with vibration ...when is your birthate? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:44 PM > My girlfriend loves them but I've tried them and they never work for me. > Madi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rebecca Robertson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > how about bach flower remedy's? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Madlyn Creekmore" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:28 PM > > Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > > The only HP that ever worked for me was Arnica gel. It did stop and > itch > > > for me. Madi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "THMI" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:45 PM > > > Subject: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > The post that contained mention of HP use was shared from another > > forum. > > > > I suspect that the topic is common in that forum so the abreviation of > > > > HP for homeopathic remedies was sufficient. > > > > > > > > Anyway to answer your question HPs are homeopathics. There is mixed > > > > opinion as to how legitimate this modality is. For differing view > > points > > > > > > > > PRO information can be found at: > > > > http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/introduction.html > > > > > > > > And CON information can be found at: > > > > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html > > > > > > > > As for my own thinking, If the modality was not proving some > positive > > > > benefit it is unlikely that it would have endured over 200 years. > There > > > > is still much that is not known about the functioning of the human > body. > > > > It may be that those that do experience positive results using HPs, > see > > > > the benefit because of their expectations. Faith has a very powerful > > > > influence on physical health. The medical community would call that a > > > > placebo affect. But if the end result is positive who cares how it > was > > > > gained, as long as no one was harmed in the process. > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > > > > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 Cirris97@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody: > > > > > > > > > > What are HP's. > > > > > > > > > > Gerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Robertson" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies Date: 13 Mar 2003 09:16:32 -0800 > curious i work with vibration ...when is your birthate? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Madlyn Creekmore" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:44 PM > Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > My girlfriend loves them but I've tried them and they never work for me. > > Madi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rebecca Robertson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:31 PM > > Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > > how about bach flower remedy's? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Madlyn Creekmore" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:28 PM > > > Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > > > > > The only HP that ever worked for me was Arnica gel. It did stop and > > itch > > > > for me. Madi > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "THMI" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:45 PM > > > > Subject: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > > > The post that contained mention of HP use was shared from another > > > forum. > > > > > I suspect that the topic is common in that forum so the abreviation > of > > > > > HP for homeopathic remedies was sufficient. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway to answer your question HPs are homeopathics. There is > mixed > > > > > opinion as to how legitimate this modality is. For differing view > > > points > > > > > > > > > > PRO information can be found at: > > > > > http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/introduction.html > > > > > > > > > > And CON information can be found at: > > > > > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html > > > > > > > > > > As for my own thinking, If the modality was not proving some > > positive > > > > > benefit it is unlikely that it would have endured over 200 years. > > There > > > > > is still much that is not known about the functioning of the human > > body. > > > > > It may be that those that do experience positive results using HPs, > > see > > > > > the benefit because of their expectations. Faith has a very > powerful > > > > > influence on physical health. The medical community would call that > a > > > > > placebo affect. But if the end result is positive who cares how it > > was > > > > > gained, as long as no one was harmed in the process. > > > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > > > > > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 Cirris97@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody: > > > > > > > > > > > > What are HP's. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > > > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send > > > > > "help" to the same address. 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madlyn Creekmore" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies Date: 13 Mar 2003 09:42:12 -0800 Nov 19 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:15 AM > curious i work with vibration ...when is your birthate? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Madlyn Creekmore" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:44 PM > Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > My girlfriend loves them but I've tried them and they never work for me. > > Madi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rebecca Robertson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:31 PM > > Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > > how about bach flower remedy's? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Madlyn Creekmore" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:28 PM > > > Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > > > > > The only HP that ever worked for me was Arnica gel. It did stop and > > itch > > > > for me. Madi > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "THMI" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:45 PM > > > > Subject: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > > > The post that contained mention of HP use was shared from another > > > forum. > > > > > I suspect that the topic is common in that forum so the abreviation > of > > > > > HP for homeopathic remedies was sufficient. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway to answer your question HPs are homeopathics. There is > mixed > > > > > opinion as to how legitimate this modality is. For differing view > > > points > > > > > > > > > > PRO information can be found at: > > > > > http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/introduction.html > > > > > > > > > > And CON information can be found at: > > > > > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html > > > > > > > > > > As for my own thinking, If the modality was not proving some > > positive > > > > > benefit it is unlikely that it would have endured over 200 years. > > There > > > > > is still much that is not known about the functioning of the human > > body. > > > > > It may be that those that do experience positive results using HPs, > > see > > > > > the benefit because of their expectations. Faith has a very > powerful > > > > > influence on physical health. The medical community would call that > a > > > > > placebo affect. But if the end result is positive who cares how it > > was > > > > > gained, as long as no one was harmed in the process. > > > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > > > > > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 Cirris97@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody: > > > > > > > > > > > > What are HP's. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > > > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send > > > > > "help" to the same address. 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rebecca Robertson" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies Date: 13 Mar 2003 10:11:44 -0800 what year ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:42 AM > Nov 19 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rebecca Robertson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > curious i work with vibration ...when is your birthate? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Madlyn Creekmore" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:44 PM > > Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > > My girlfriend loves them but I've tried them and they never work for me. > > > Madi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rebecca Robertson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:31 PM > > > Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > > > > > how about bach flower remedy's? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Madlyn Creekmore" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:28 PM > > > > Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only HP that ever worked for me was Arnica gel. It did stop > and > > > itch > > > > > for me. Madi > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "THMI" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:45 PM > > > > > Subject: (thmi-fms) HP's, homeopathic remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > > > > > > > The post that contained mention of HP use was shared from > another > > > > forum. > > > > > > I suspect that the topic is common in that forum so the > abreviation > > of > > > > > > HP for homeopathic remedies was sufficient. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway to answer your question HPs are homeopathics. There is > > mixed > > > > > > opinion as to how legitimate this modality is. For differing view > > > > points > > > > > > > > > > > > PRO information can be found at: > > > > > > http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/introduction.html > > > > > > > > > > > > And CON information can be found at: > > > > > > http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my own thinking, If the modality was not proving some > > > positive > > > > > > benefit it is unlikely that it would have endured over 200 years. > > > There > > > > > > is still much that is not known about the functioning of the human > > > body. > > > > > > It may be that those that do experience positive results using > HPs, > > > see > > > > > > the benefit because of their expectations. Faith has a very > > powerful > > > > > > influence on physical health. The medical community would call > that > > a > > > > > > placebo affect. But if the end result is positive who cares how > it > > > was > > > > > > gained, as long as no one was harmed in the process. > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > > > > > > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 Cirris97@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What are HP's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > > > > > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > > send > > > > > > "help" to the same address. 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) Detox Date: 13 Mar 2003 17:36:41 -0700 Dear thmi-fms subscriber, Just a little more information to support the use of infrared sauna. "A sauna used to be thought of as a luxury. But studies now confirm that diet and environmental chemicals cause 95% of cancers. Furthermore, as the first generation of man exposed to such an unprecedented plethora of daily chemicals, we have learned that stored or undetoxified chemicals can mimic any disease. "Incurable" chronic diseases that were thought to have no known cause often disappear once toxic chemicals are gone. Since the far infrared sauna is the safest, most efficacious and economical way of depurating stored toxins, this makes it a household necessity." -Sherry A. Rogers, M.D., Northeast Center for Environmental Medicine Internationally known expert in environmental medicine Author of; Detoxify or Die, Tired Or Toxic? , Total Wellness, Wellness Against All Odds, Depression Cured at Last, Pain Free in Six Weeks, and No More Heartburn If you have "RealPlayer" software on your computer, you can hear a talk radio episode, taped in Nov. 2002, featuring Dr. Sherry Rogers discussing her latest book "Detoxify or Die" This is a very eye-opening interview, especially disconcerting is the information on plasticizers (from use of plastic products) and our bodies responding to them like hormones. http://arc1.m2ktalk.com/nov2002/riley/21.ram The website http://www.modernwellness.com/index.html has more information on health benefits of far infrared sauna. Read some of the testimonials offered in the "Other People Find Health" section. Remember you can acheive similar benefits as reported on this website, for a lot less money, using two far infrared heaters. All the best, Jim - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) post archives, etc. Date: 25 Mar 2003 12:42:09 -0700 (MST) Dear thmi-fms subscriber, I would like to welcome new subscribers to this list. FYI, most of the information regarding the program to reverse symptoms of CFS/FMS can be found in the "Soapbox" section of the website. http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html I have just put some of the past posts to this list in the forum. You can access it by clicking on the "Forum" link near the bottom of the main page. I will add a couple more topics for discussion in the forum, some for answering questions regarding the program and maybe some areas where people can share what they have found to work well for them. (Does anyone have any suggestions for topics to address?) I would like to hear how some of you are doing. Even if you have not seen great results yet, please share so that I can maybe make some suggestions. There are about a dozen people that have invested in a set of heaters. Thank you for your support. There are only a couple pepole that I know of that are following the entire program. The FIR sauna is only part of the program. The nutritional aspects of the program are important. Using the sauna can cause a depletion of certain minerals so those must be in greater abundance in your diet. I'll write more on this later. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) Elevated blood glucose? Date: 25 Mar 2003 20:37:00 -0700 (MST) Dear thmi-fms subscriber, I responded to this query in another forum and thought I'd pass it along. Someone had asked whether the pyruvate that is produced in the cell recycles to keep blood glucose levels elevated. Hi, I know that you had directed your question to Rich but I thought I'd assist. Your question is a good one. If pyruvate cannot be processed quickly enough due to blockages in the mitochondrial processes, the excess pyruvate is converted to lactic acid. (If this conversion is not done the cell could run low on NAD+ and then glycolysis could become blocked. Pyruvate + NADH --> lactic acid + NAD+) (Note: This is where I see CFS and FMS differentiate. In FMS the enzyme that converts pyruvate to lactic acid is in low quantity so there is an increase of pyruvate in the cell. In CFS this enzyme is able to carry out this function and hence there is an increase in lactic acid. This is described in the presentation on my website at http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html) The lactic acid from the cell is transported via the bloodstream back to the liver, where the lactic acid is converted to glycogen. The glycogen is essentially taken out of circulation until there is a need for more glucose. When there is a need for more glucose then the hormone glycogon, produced in the pancreas, signals that glycogen should be changed back into glucose and put back into the bloodstream for delivery to the cells. There is not an increase in blood glucose levels from this recycling of pyruvate. However, due to the blockages in the mitochondria it is possible that blood glucose levels remain elevated for a longer time. Glucose is removed from the blood only as fast as it can be processed inside the cells. If the burning of glucose inside the cells is slowed, then the glucose will be removed from the blood at a slower rate, effectively keeping the blood glucose levels elevated longer. Glucose moves into the cell by facilitated diffusion. Insulin, signals the cell to open the channels to allow glucose to enter the cell but diffusion pushes the glucose into the cell. The glucose moves from areas of higher concentration (the blood) to areas of lower concentration (the cell, assuming that the glucose inside the cell has been burned). See the animation at http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/pancreas/insulin_phys.html If there is still glucose inside the cell then insulin can signal for the gates to open, the gates can open but glucose cannot move into the cell because there is already glucose inside the cell, a concentration gradient does not exist to move the glucose into the cell. The Insulin receptor on the cell is an ATPase, an enzyme that requires ATP to function. It may be possible that a reduction in ATP could also impede the flow of glucose into the cell. This scenario kind of sounds similar to type II diabetes, which affects an estimated 16 million people in the US. So what can be done to help? Increasing metabolism will cause glucose to be burned more quickly and ATP to be generated. Under normal circumstances, in a healthy individual, exercise would increase metabolism. But in the case of CFS/FMS where there are blocks to energy production in the mitochondria, exercise will cause in increase in pyruvate (or lactic acid) and create more problems. Another way to increase metabolism is to increase the temperature. ( reference http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/actenz.html ) I hope that this has helped you better understand what is going on. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) Glutathione and ATP Date: 28 Mar 2003 14:58:06 -0700 (MST) Dear thmi-fms subscriber, Welcome to the new members to the list. Most of the information and suggestions for CFS/FMS can be found in the "Soapbox" section of the website at http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html The last few days I've been studying glutathione, which is a free-radical scavanger molecule inside the cell. When the mitochondria produces energy, there is often a number of free-radicals that escape. These are quickly neutralized by glutathione inside the cell before they can do any damage. For those interested in reading it (another technical article) you can find it at http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Soapbox/Articles/glutathione.html One important bit of information presented in the article is information on the pain killer, acetaminophen, or tylenol. There are a few pain medications that contain this drug. In the article is a link to another site that shows some of these commonly used pain killers. Anyway, glutathione is needed to carry away the toxic byproducts produced from acetaminophen. Since glutathione levels are low in people with CFS/FMS, there is a possiblity that the liver can become damaged by taking this drug because there is not enough glutathione to detoxify its byproducts. One benefit of the FIR energy is that it warms the body, making more ATP available for use in other areas, such as making glutathione. I've got a couple less technical pieces in the works. If anyone would like to share some of their experiences to the list, please feel free. Also, I'm always open to answering questions. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI Subject: (thmi-fms) THE HORMONE WARNING (fwd) Date: 31 Mar 2003 18:34:43 -0700 (MST) Dear thmi-fms subscriber, I hope that this finds you doing well. Welcome to new subscribers. In the past I've written what I thought about hormone supplementation. If you can't recall, I've put some of the the past posts to this list in the Forum under the topic "thmi-fms post archive" that you will find at http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Forum/index.php3 There is a link to this on the front page of the website. I have also added another topic in this forum, "Program Updates", in which those that are following the program may share their experiences. Anyway, I just received this warning about hormones in my email and thought I would share it to the list. All the best, Jim ---------- Forwarded message ---------- THE HORMONE WARNING: The Hormone Hostage knows that there are days in the month when all a man has to do is open his mouth and he takes his life in his own hands! This is a handy guide that should be as common as a driver's license in the wallet of every husband, boyfriend, or significant other! DANGEROUS: What's for dinner? SAFER: Can I help you with dinner? SAFEST: Where would you like to go for dinner? ULTRASAFE: Have some chocolate DANGEROUS: Are you wearing that? SAFER: Gee, you look good in brown. SAFEST: WOW! Look at you! ULTRASAFE: Have some chocolate DANGEROUS: What are you so worked up about? SAFER: Could we be overreacting? SAFEST: Here's fifty dollars. ULTRASAFE: Have some chocolate DANGEROUS: Should you be eating that? SAFER: You know, there are a lot of apples left. SAFEST: Can I get you a glass of wine with that? ULTRASAFE: Have some chocolate DANGEROUS: What did you do all day? SAFER: I hope you didn't over-do it today. SAFEST: I've always loved you in that robe! ULTRASAFE: Have some more chocolate. Remember: Money talks.... But Chocolate sings. - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.