From: owner-thmi-fms-digest@lists.xmission.com (thmi-fms-digest) To: thmi-fms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: thmi-fms-digest V1 #1 Reply-To: thmi-fms-digest Sender: owner-thmi-fms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-thmi-fms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk thmi-fms-digest Sunday, December 16 2001 Volume 01 : Number 001 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 05:57:07 PST From: "Jim Clements" Subject: (thmi-fms) this is a test. test test test. emailed to thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:16:23 -0700 (MST) From: "Total Health Mktg." 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 10:39:52 -0700 (MST) From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: (thmi-fms) this is a test hello all. ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:45:13 -0700 (MST) From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: (thmi-fms) Progress update for thmi-fms Hello thmi-fms subscriber: Some time ago you had subscribed to our mail list. Just a quick note to update you on the status of things. There are currently 14 people subscribed to the list. One of the subscribers is Janice W. from Monticello UT. She is the first that has started following our program that has internet access. In the next week or so when I share information on the specifics of the program we'll hopefully hear a progress report from Janice. Janice is sending me a short report on what she has experienced following the program. I will be posting it to the website and let you know where you can read it. I'm working on filing a patent for one of the products that is used in the program. I'll share more on that when the patent application is submitted. (I hate paperwork.) Anyway, this email is to just let you know that you are on the list and we should get it going in a couple weeks. If you decide that you want to unsubscribe from the list send an email to majordomo@xmission.com in the body of the email message write: unsubscribe thmi-fms your_email_address@your_ISP.com If you are unfamiliar with how majordomo mailing lists operate you can get basic commands by sending the following email to majordomo@xmission.com in the body of the mail message write: info thmi-fms If you have any friends that may be interested in joining the mailing list have them send an email to majordomo@xmission.com in the body of the message they should write: subscribe thmi-fms And finally, when the list becomes active, to send email to the list send it to thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com If you want to drop me a line feel free, my personal address is clements@xmission.com I hope your doing well. I'm sorry this is taking so long. If I had the neccessary funds and some others helping with this project, this info could have been available a couple years ago. This is not a request for funds, just a poor excuse for taking so long. All the best, Jim __________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:23:25 -0700 (MST) From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: (thmi-fms) Introduction Hello thmi-fms subscriber, I have been promising for some time to disclose the specifics of the program that I have introduced to some people to help them reverse symptoms of fibromyalgia. I hope to begin sharing more detailed information in the next week or so. For those that have not meet me I will share a little about my background. My name is Jim Clements. I have a BS degree in Design Engineering Technology from Brigham Young University in 1984. Since graduating, I have worked mostly in the field of Computer system support. I live in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA. (We have been getting plenty of snow) A number of people have asked how I got involved in studying fibromyalgia. Here's briefly how I got started. In 1990 I was introduced to a network marketing company whose principle product line was magnetic devices. I was very skeptical of the concept but using the products I did see some benefit. This started my research into the biological effects of magnetic fields on the body. (Note: so that you do not jump to conclusions, I will tell you now that I do not use magnetic devices as part of the program.) I became a distributor of these products and sharing them with people with fibromyalgia, some would report seeing some positive benefits while others would report no noticeable benefit. This difference in reported results started my studying the condition. It intrigued me that the results were not more consistent. Since 1990, I have been studying fibromyalgia research available on the internet and elsewhere. Over the years I have been gathering information that at times seemed to contradict other findings related to the condition. It was a couple years ago that I tried to piece the information together in a manner that would make some sense. The online presentation on the web-site (http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html), which I assume that you have all looked at, is the end result of trying to make sense of the condition. Over the years I have been introduced to, and trialed, a number of different products that had been reported to help with the condition. Those that seemed to provide the best benefit I incorporated into the program those that did not seem to benefit I did not include. The program at this time consists of 4 groups of products from different manufacturers and I have no connection with the suppliers other than suggesting (and marketing) the products. If I find something better than what is currently suggested, I am free to change the program to include the more beneficial product. I am working to reduce the cost of the program. Some of the prices I have control over, some I do not. I have designed an alternative to one of the products that will make it much more affordable. I hope that this vague information does not increase your frustration. I will soon share more detailed information on the program and specific products used. For this first week, before I start to tell about the program, I would like to focus on some of the symptoms of fibromyalgia and explain what I believe may be contributing factors. This will help you better understand how the products help with reversing the symptoms of fibromyalgia. Please take a few minutes to introduce yourself, first name and initial are sufficient. How long you've had fibromyalgia, what approaches you've taken to remedy the condition. What you have found to provide the most benefit. What are the major symptoms that you are dealing with? Have you identified those activities that will cause the condition to flare in yourself? How many on this list are experiencing acid reflux? And, what are you doing to achieve relief? Well this should be enough to get things going. If you do not feel like sharing at this time, that is okay. You are free to participate at whatever level you feel most comfortable. If you would prefer to just email me, my address is shown below. I hope things are going well for you all. I will try to keep future emails shorter. All the best, Jim Note: to respond to the list send the email to thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com For information on how a majordomo email list works send an email to majordomo@xmission.com in the body of the message type either help or info thmi-fms The list program will send you some information on available options. ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:11:27 -0700 (MST) From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: (thmi-fms) Closing This Forum I was hoping to start some dialogue on this forum, to share what I know and to educate. If there is no active participation from list subscribers I can only assume that you may not be interested in hearing what I have to say. I'm sure that most of you have done a lot of studying about the condition and may already know much of what I would have to share. I am beginning to sense that this may not be the correct approach at this time. So I will be closing this forum. I will concentrate my efforts on the local populace, Salt Lake City. I had envisioned people with fibromyalgia following this program, getting significant relief, and sharing information with others that may benefit. I was not prepared for the level of skepticism I encountered. Even those that followed the program, got better, and did share information with others encountered the same disbelief from others they shared it with. I cannot understand why some people will withstand pain rather than investigate something of an alternative approach. I know that most people with fibro have tried many things without success. I can say with almost certainty, that success with reversing fibro will not come from following the current drug approach to treating symptoms. As Mavis (one of the people that has found relief following this program) has said, "It so simple. You wouldn't think something this simple would work. But it does." I guess because it is so simple many people don't think that it will help so do not investigate. I will tell you one part of the program now. However, I have found that to see significant results, all 4 products must be used together. I am sharing this one part with you to see what you will do with this bit of the puzzle. Will you investigate further or do nothing. Microwater. You can learn more about this product. at an old website I put online at http://www.xmission.com/~total/health Read the article "Welcome to Microwater" by Dr. Hayashi The majority of PWFMS are in a chronic dehydrated condition. I suspect that this state is the result of a reduced amount of water being produced as a byproduct of cellular respiration. I used the microwater to help the body become better hydrated. This product is the most expensive of the products used in the program and accounts for the major cost of the whole program. I believe, as the Japanese Drs. say in the article, the benefit from this water comes from the abundance of free electrons in the water. Microwater has a negative electrical charge, electrons are the negatively charged part of the atom. I have measured the electrical charge on the tap water in the Salt Lake City area and it has a positive charge. In an article on CFIDS (I believe CFIDS and FMS have the same root cause) by Dr. Cathcart at http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/cfids.html he says, "I was using the massive doses of vitamin C not for the vitamin C but for the electons carried by the Vitamin C. So now you know one of the products that I am using as part of the program. If you want to buy one, I can help. Or you can search the web and find other dealers of the product. I have found that not all machines are of the same quality. If you would like to learn more you can email me directly. Or call me at (801) 583-5060 leave a brief message and your phone number on the answering machine and I will return your call. I wish you success in finding your own path to restored health. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:53:03 +0200 From: "Rachel Meidan" Subject: (thmi-fms) don't close it yet Hi Jim, I don't want the list to close yet. It shouldn't close so fast. It takes time for some ill people to respond. My name is Rachel and I have had CFS/CFIDS/ME for 10 years since an epstein-bar infection when I was 15 and I'm 25 now. After the initial flu like illness, At first the symptoms came on and off but it got worse as I did my GCSES and A-levels (I used to live in England.) I only got diagnosed for Fibromyalgia officially a few years ago although I probably had it longer than that because muscle pain especially in the back was always a problem. A docotor in England promised to treat me and gave me a dangerous form of elimination diet which ended up giving me IBS. So I do get suspicious of anyone claiming to treat this, I think it's understandable for people to feel that way. There is something called "aerobic oxygen" or "liquid oxygen", which is from US/Canada and England I was sold it here in Israel (18 british pounds a bottle roughly $30) which I tried, it didn't help me and I accidently overdosed and had stomach problems for weeks.) I need to read the links provided to work out if the micro-ionised water is the same thing as that or a completely different thing. I already take probiotics (a strange German brand) which help a bit. It always depends on the brand because I tried 3 different brands before I found one that helped. Only other thing that helps -Zostrix or capciacin cream for pain. I'll sign off for now to read the stuff and then get some sleep. Rachel _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:46:41 -0700 (MST) From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) don't close it yet Hello Rachel, I'll answer your questions here. I have done some testing on a liquid oxygen drop that you add to water. The product is called "Stabilized Oxygen" and you add 10 drops to 8 ounces of water. I don't know how it compares with the product that you used. Making a couple tests with that product in water I found that it raised the pH of the water a little and increased the positive electrical properties of the water. It may have been the sodium in the product responsible for increasing the charge in a positive direction. Alkaline ionized water has a negative electrical charge. I have put some of my "Observations on ORP" in the SoapBox section on http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html Regarding probiotics, the product that I use in the program is called "Flora Source". One person did experience some negative reaction with this product but all others that used it reported positive benefit using the product. I'm not sure why the one person experienced the reaction she did. I will have to check with the manfacturer to see if they can provide some answers. Though she did not take the probiotics, she is seeing some positive gains using the other parts of the program. Most supplemental probiotics are too weak to provide much, if any, benefit. "Flora Source" advertises 30 billion live bacteria per capsule. Most supplemented probiotics are going to die before they get to the area where you want them to take up residence. Also, the gut environment in a person with fibromyalgia is out of balance and not ideal for them to thrive. The online presentation addresses the need for the correct pH for the bacteria to survive. Most probiotics you find in the local health food store have about 2 billion cells per capsule. What count does your probitic have? I can appreciate the skepticism, I guess if I were in the same position, having tried many things without success, I would likely have a similar response. But, I'm not the salesman type and I need to start making some money soon so I may be forced to return to working with computers, something that I can relate to. No human emotions, fears, skepticisms, and unpredictable logic to deal with. I am confident that the program will help anyone with fibromyalgia find significant relief. So far, though there have only been a few people that have followed the program, everyone has seen good results. But, how do I get people to investigate it? I gave a fibromyalgia presentation at a local health food store. Two of the ladies in attendance have been dealing with the condition for over 10 years. They sat through the presentation. At the end I told them about the success that Collen had in about a 6 - 8 week period. These two ladies each got upset that I would suggest that someone could find improvement in that short a time. They didn't even ask what Colleen did to gain the relief. They just got mad and left. Computers don't respond so irrationally. :) All the best, Jim __________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Rachel Meidan wrote: > Hi Jim, > I don't want the list to close yet. It shouldn't close so fast. It takes > time for some ill people to respond. My name is Rachel and I have had > CFS/CFIDS/ME for 10 years since an epstein-bar infection when I was 15 and > I'm 25 now. After the initial flu like illness, At first the symptoms came > on and off but it got worse as I did my GCSES and A-levels (I used to live > in England.) I only got diagnosed for Fibromyalgia officially a few years > ago although I probably had it longer than that because muscle pain > especially in the back was always a problem. A docotor in England promised > to treat me and gave me a dangerous form of elimination diet which ended up > giving me IBS. So I do get suspicious of anyone claiming to treat this, I > think it's understandable for people to feel that way. > > There is something called "aerobic oxygen" or "liquid oxygen", which is from > US/Canada and England I was sold it here in Israel (18 british pounds a > bottle roughly $30) which I tried, it didn't help me and I accidently > overdosed and had stomach problems for weeks.) I need to read the links > provided to work out if the micro-ionised water is the same thing as that or > a completely different thing. > I already take probiotics (a strange German brand) which help a bit. It > always depends on the brand because I tried 3 different brands before I > found one that helped. > Only other thing that helps -Zostrix or capciacin cream for pain. > I'll sign off for now to read the stuff and then get some sleep. > Rachel > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:55:54 +0200 From: "Rachel Meidan" Subject: (thmi-fms) probiotics and aerobic oxygen



Hello,
I sent an email earlier today but I don't know if it arrived so I'm repeating the infomation here.
The probiotic I am taking is caled "Symbioflor 1" and "Symbioflor 2" made by a German firm called Symbiopharm. Their webpage is: http://www.symbiopharm.deI was prescribed it by my alternative medicine doctor here in Israel and get it at a pharmacy. It has the low bacteria count you said is in most of them: 1.5 - 4.5  times 10 to the power of 7
but I tried 3 brands before it and this is the only one that works. It took a few months to work.    Regarding  the one woman you said that got a reaction to Flora source, I don't know if this is the reason  but the doctor who gave me symbioflor said that some people can't tolerate even the symbioflor at first so he gives them a very low dose of probiotics to ready them first.
I took "aerobic oxygen" I think it's exactly same thing you tested. (10 drops in an ounce of water.) It says on the bottle "stabilized negative ions of oxygen". I take it that it has the same effect as micro ionised water?
I tried to read everything you wrote about micro ionised water and I can't understand anything. I overdosed on the aerobic oxygen by just taking a few drops too much and had stomach problems for weeks. - that's a potential danger with it.

Royal Jelly in honey not capsules helps me a tiny bit except for the stomach problems. I need to  think about the Flora Source. If I take it and you happen to sell it at a decent price, I'll buy it from you.  If you decide to reveal more of the programme please tell me.

Regards -Rachel


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I bought the aerobic oxygen here but I found the website for the "Good for you" company that manufactured it at http://www.goodforyou.ca/
You don't have to test it, I've decided not tto take it anyway for some time.

I don't know the potency of the "Biocare" and "Solgar" brands of probiotics that I tried before the Symbioflor. Thank you for the website of Flora Source.  I'll let you know if there are any positive developments in the future.

Rachel

 


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She said that it sounded like a very bad detox reaction. I'll talk to her again to see if she would not mind receiving emails from this list to answer specific questions regarding the product. She did recommend that supplementing with the amino acid L-Glutamine would reduce that reaction. The Flora Source is just one part of the 4 part program. Taking the Flora Source may provide some positive benefits but without the other parts of the program you will not see the same good results that the ladies that have followed the program have found. One of those ladies is on the list. She can tell you a little about her experience, short of telling you the specifics of the exact products that she had used. In time I will share all the information. At the risk of sounding uncaring and greedy. I did not spend all my time and effort studying fibromyalgia and go into debt so that I could tell everyone the specific products so they could surf the net and find it cheaper elsewhere. I have not yet shared information on the one product which is probably the key to the whole program. I have ordered some of these products from overseas and know that they are not yet available on the net. There is however a much more expensive option that will work that is currently available on the net. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Rachel Meidan wrote: > > I bought the aerobic oxygen here but I found the website for the "Good > for you" company that manufactured it at http://www.goodforyou.ca/ > You don't have to test it, I've decided not tto take it anyway for some > time. > > I don't know the potency of the "Biocare" and "Solgar" brands of > probiotics that I tried before the Symbioflor. Thank you for the website > of Flora Source. I'll let you know if there are any positive > developments in the future. > > Rachel > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information > on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same > address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:55:09 -0700 (MST) From: "Total Health Mktg." Subject: (thmi-fms) How email to list Hello thmi-fms subscriber, For those on the list that may be unfamiliar with how an email list operates I will give some general information. The particular computer program that controls this list is called majordomo. When a person wants to join a particular email list they send the request, in the form of an email, directly to majordomo. In the case of this list the email address for majordomo is majordomo@xmission.com Since you are already a member of the list you do not have to do this. Should you decide that you want to leave the list, then you would also send that request to majordomo to be unsubscribed. All email that you want other list subscribers to receive should be mailed directly to the list, in this case thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com When you send the email on the line that says To: it should look like To: thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com Majordomo will take the email that you send to the list and send a copy of that email to all the addresses it knows to be subscribed to the list. If you reply to an email that you received from the list your email reader program should automatically send the reply to the list, thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com I hope that this information will help those that may not yet have experience with mailing lists to get started. I would be interested in hearing from some of the others subscribed to the list. Please share a little about how long you have had fibro, and what kinds of things you have found to provide the greatest benefit. At this time there are 12 people subscribed to the list. One of those people is Janice. Janice responded to a newpaper advertisment that I had placed and took the initiative to find out more. She lives in southern Utah, a couple hours drive away from where I am in Salt Lake City. People with fibromyalgia have been told for so long that there is nothing that will help the condition that there is great suspicion about anything or anybody that says otherwise. Based on what I have learned about the condition, I can say that the current drugs prescribed for the condition will do nothing toward reversing symptoms of fibro. I commend you for subscribing to this list, seeking whatever information you can. That is the kind of mindset that is required to find answers. Those people with fibro that complain that their Drs. are not doing enough and are waiting for the miracle drug to come around will have a very long wait. Janice started the program about 5 months ago. I have asked her to share some of her experiences with fibromyalgia: How long she has had it, what kinds of things she has done over the years to improve her condition, her experiences following the program, etc. (Note: I have had 8 people now follow the program, every one of them had excellent results. Janice is the first and only one so far that has access to the internet.) All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:02:14 -0800 From: "Madi Creekmore" Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) How email to list I've had fibromyalgia officially since 1984. I am 63 now and am falling asleep as I write this. My Aunt had it, I am sure. We just thought she was lazy because as kids we had to clean her house for her. Now I know, she just didn't feel very well at all and I'm so sorry we didn't understand. I take malic acid, magnesium citrate, codliver oil, calicum vitamin D and zinc, thyrolean, prozac, temazepam, phentermine and other supplements as I feel I need them. I'm way overweight because I do not exercise. I crave carbohydrates. I need help! Madi Creekmore - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Total Health Mktg." To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 12:55 PM Subject: (thmi-fms) How email to list > > Hello thmi-fms subscriber, > > For those on the list that may be unfamiliar with how an email list > operates I will give some general information. The particular computer > program that controls this list is called majordomo. When a person wants > to join a particular email list they send the request, in the form of an > email, directly to majordomo. In the case of this list the email address > for majordomo is majordomo@xmission.com > > Since you are already a member of the list you do not have to do this. > Should you decide that you want to leave the list, then you would also > send that request to majordomo to be unsubscribed. > > All email that you want other list subscribers to receive should be > mailed directly to the list, in this case thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com > When you send the email on the line that says To: it should look like > > To: thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com > > Majordomo will take the email that you send to the list and send a copy > of that email to all the addresses it knows to be subscribed to the list. > > If you reply to an email that you received from the list your email > reader program should automatically send the reply to the list, > thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com > > I hope that this information will help those that may not yet have > experience with mailing lists to get started. I would be interested in > hearing from some of the others subscribed to the list. Please share a > little about how long you have had fibro, and what kinds of things you > have found to provide the greatest benefit. > > At this time there are 12 people subscribed to the list. One of those > people is Janice. Janice responded to a newpaper advertisment that I had > placed and took the initiative to find out more. She lives in southern > Utah, a couple hours drive away from where I am in Salt Lake City. > > People with fibromyalgia have been told for so long that there is nothing > that will help the condition that there is great suspicion about anything > or anybody that says otherwise. Based on what I have learned about the > condition, I can say that the current drugs prescribed for the condition > will do nothing toward reversing symptoms of fibro. > > I commend you for subscribing to this list, seeking whatever information > you can. That is the kind of mindset that is required to find answers. > Those people with fibro that complain that their Drs. are not doing enough > and are waiting for the miracle drug to come around will have a very long > wait. > > Janice started the program about 5 months ago. I have asked her to > share some of her experiences with fibromyalgia: How long she has had > it, what kinds of things she has done over the years to improve her > condition, her experiences following the program, etc. > > (Note: I have had 8 people now follow the program, every one of them had > excellent results. Janice is the first and only one so far that has > access to the internet.) > > All the best, > Jim > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com > Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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