From: Mike Mladejovsky Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Hi from Jim Date: 01 Jan 1999 18:42:10 -0700 (MST) Happy New Year, I've not been reading e-mail since Dec 23. I'll be back on Jan 4. I'm reachable via my pager, 248-2468 Mike Mladejovsky mladejov@ced.utah.edu 801-581-7151 University of Utah, Center for Engineering Design, Salt Lake City, Utah - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: T210CES@aol.com Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Who's on the list Date: 02 Jan 1999 12:36:36 EST Hi and I have sent Bruce a letter about the pricing of new hangars at BTF - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: T210CES@aol.com Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Board Members Date: 02 Jan 1999 12:55:25 EST Phil go ahead and send back my money for joining the UGAA, if you think that I need this forum to sell these hangars. I have been asked by several people about a new place to hangar their plane so if you take offense to the notes to people just delete them and move on to you advertising that you think you need to be on the UGAA board. Bountiful is a great place to be and just because we don' t have all of the public money GIVEN to us that your airport has for improvements we will be surviving and Happy with our environment while you are still looking to hide to get your annual done. We will have rentals available in the future also for those who can't afford or want to own their own hangar. In case you didn't understand my response in letter form, my answer to your RUDE and apparently jealous question is NO! - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Rocco" Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Board Members Date: 02 Jan 1999 17:26:56 -0700 Don, I'm sorry if I upset you and by the tone of your response I must have. But I do feel that the UGAA list is not the proper avenue to advertise your hangers.With all the problems and concern going on with airport 1 and 2. Not everyone can afford to own their hangers, although many of us would like to. jealous, no I don't think so, call what you want I have all that I want I just want the right to do as I please when it comes to my property and the right to take it were I want. Don I do have one question, Do you hanger an aircraft at number 1 or 2? I don't mean to use the UGAA list for this type of conversation so it will now end. As I said befor I'm sorry if I upset you. Don you can call me anytime to discuss this person to person. Phil ---Original Message----- >Phil go ahead and send back my money for joining the UGAA, if you think that I >need this forum to sell these hangars. I have been asked by several people >about a new place to hangar their plane so if you take offense to the notes to >people just delete them and move on to you advertising that you think you need >to be on the UGAA board. Bountiful is a great place to be and just because we >don' t have all of the public money GIVEN to us that your airport has for >improvements we will be surviving and Happy with our environment while you are >still looking to hide to get your annual done. We will have rentals available >in the future also for those who can't afford or want to own their own hangar. >In case you didn't understand my response in letter form, my answer to your >RUDE and apparently jealous question is NO! > >- > To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bonacci@ascend.com (Tom M. Bonacci) Subject: (ugaa_list) Re: Hangars in BTF Date: 02 Jan 1999 19:22:36 -0600 falling_rock@networld.com writes: > I do feel that the UGAA list is not the proper avenue to > advertise your hangers I may be the only one, but I am NOT offended at all if someone wants to advertise hangars (or planes or service or avionics or instruction or anything else) on this list. As a matter of fact, I encourage it. This is the UGAA - Utah General Aviation Association - mailing list and I would think that is acceptable for anyone to discuss any topic that might be of interest to GA pilots in Utah. While we may at the moment be preoccupied with the the hangar issues at SL Int'l and #2, I don't see why we should limit discussions. I'm all for discussing any and all topics that Utah Pilots might find interesting or useful. -tom p.s.- Anybody know a good CFI w/plane to do some taildragger instruction? How about a CFI w/floatplane? - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Rocco" Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Re: Hangars in BTF Date: 02 Jan 1999 19:05:08 -0700 IF all the group feels the same way then I apologies to the list, and to Don, for what I was feeling was the wrong place and time since some can not afford to buy their own. Phil Rocco -----Original Message----- > >falling_rock@networld.com writes: >> I do feel that the UGAA list is not the proper avenue to >> advertise your hangers > > >I may be the only one, but I am NOT offended at all if someone wants >to advertise hangars (or planes or service or avionics or instruction >or anything else) on this list. As a matter of fact, I encourage it. > >This is the UGAA - Utah General Aviation Association - mailing list >and I would think that is acceptable for anyone to discuss any topic >that might be of interest to GA pilots in Utah. While we may at the >moment be preoccupied with the the hangar issues at SL Int'l and #2, >I don't see why we should limit discussions. > >I'm all for discussing any and all topics that Utah Pilots might find >interesting or useful. > >-tom > >p.s.- >Anybody know a good CFI w/plane to do some taildragger instruction? >How about a CFI w/floatplane? > > >- > To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chsburger1@aol.com Subject: (ugaa_list) Using the list Date: 02 Jan 1999 22:09:02 EST List members, Opinion. I have been reading my E-Mail tonight and reading the letters written between different parties and this takes alot of time and may or may not be my business. I feel if someone has something to say to another person that the personal E-Mail address should be used and not the list. The senders E-Mail address is on the header of the msg and I believe that should be used and we could save time to spend on the business at hand i.e. Hangar Leases. Thanks Ron Blosch - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Rocco" Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Using the list Date: 02 Jan 1999 20:46:10 -0700 Point Well Taken! Ron, I will use personal e-mail in the future. Phil Rocco -----Original Message----- >List members, > Opinion. I have been reading my E-Mail tonight and reading the letters >written between different parties and this takes alot of time and may or may >not be my business. I feel if someone has something to say to another person >that the personal E-Mail address should be used and not the list. The senders >E-Mail address is on the header of the msg and I believe that should be used >and we could save time to spend on the business at hand i.e. Hangar Leases. > Thanks > Ron Blosch > >- > To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bonacci@ascend.com (Tom M. Bonacci) Subject: (ugaa_list) Re: Using the list Date: 02 Jan 1999 22:33:12 -0600 Chsburger1@aol.com writes: >we could save time to spend on the business at hand i.e. Hangar >Leases. Again, I'll go out on a limb here. I still see nothing wrong with members of UGAA discussing anything of interest to GA pilots. If all someone is interested in is talk of hangar leases then all they have to do is delete any message with a subject of "KNS-80 for sale" or "Lycoming More Reliable than Continental" and read only those messages having a subject of "Hangar Lease Info". I see no reason that *everyone* must discuss *only* hangar leases just because it is a very important topic. -tom (who's pretty involved with the hangar leases but still enjoys discussing other topics, too) - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Rocco" Subject: (ugaa_list) Food For Thought Date: 02 Jan 1999 21:38:07 -0700 Why not create a bulletin board on the website for items that are for sale? Whether it be airplanes, parts, hangers, or any aircraft related items. This eleminates the problem with the list while creating a place for people to find items for sale or to be sold as they need to. That way the topics for the list can be discussed while other interests can be served. -Phil Rocco - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: T210CES@aol.com Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Re:Tail Wheel instruction Date: 03 Jan 1999 01:32:24 EST There is a CFI up in Logan who did a nice job for a pilot out in Bountiful. This fellow also has a plane to teach you in if you need one. I will get his name from Andy and post it here..Andy built an RV6 and needed to get a tail wheel endorsement, Andy really liked his skills in teaching. - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Mladejovsky Subject: (ugaa_list) FLASH: Listen to KCPW 9-9:30 Monday am Date: 04 Jan 1999 08:38:39 -0700 (MST) Listen to KCPW FM 88.3 or 105.1 MHz Monday Morning 9-9:30. Host Blair Fullmer (sp?) is interviewing someone from the Salt Lake Airport Authority. Mike Mladejovsky mladejov@ced.utah.edu 801-581-7151 University of Utah, Center for Engineering Design, Salt Lake City, Utah - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Mladejovsky Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) FLASH: Listen to KCPW 9-9:30 Monday am Date: 04 Jan 1999 09:10:22 -0700 (MST) Update! The program will air at 9:40. On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Mike Mladejovsky wrote: > Listen to KCPW FM 88.3 or 105.1 MHz Monday Morning 9-9:30. > Host Blair Fullmer (sp?) is interviewing someone from the Salt Lake > Airport Authority. - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Russ Fish Subject: (ugaa_list) UGAA list usage, tailwheel instructor Date: 04 Jan 1999 09:56:30 -0700 I support Tom's assertion that we should USE the mailing list and web pages to develop and serve the Utah General Aviation community as a whole. Let's not get so wrapped up in our immediate problems with the Salt Lake City Airport Department folks that we forget we have to be a genuine, multi-faceted General Aviation community to be strong enough to stand up for ourselves in the future! Creating bulletin buard web pages and so on are great; but only when the e-mail traffic becomes problematic. Until then, they won't be used because they don't fill a need. With a good practice of putting descriptive subjects on messages, some additional e-mail traffic needn't be too annoying in the mean time. > Anybody know a good CFI w/plane to do some taildragger instruction? Having recently procured my tailwheel endorsement from him, I can heartily recommend Dwight Burkes in Ogden. He uses his Cessna 140, which I came to appreciate as a truly fun airplane, and a good tailwheel trainer. Dwight is an Aeronautical Engineer, and works at Hill. Inquiries to his home phone should be appropriate: (801) 479-0176. > How about a CFI w/floatplane? They DO that in Utah? ;-) Cheers, -Russ Fish - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UGAA Subject: (ugaa_list) For Sale Bulletin Board? Can do. Date: 04 Jan 1999 21:40:28 -0700 If there is interest in this we can do it. Please email your item description to ugaa@xmission.com, and MIME attach a PDF, JPG or GIF file of a photo or whatever is related. Please allow at least 48 hours for any such items to be posted. Then please email when it's sold. Maybe I could also take things off after 30 days unless told to leave them on. This will keep people from calling about something that was sold months ago as often happens in Trade a Plane. - Bruce - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rup@xmission.com Subject: (ugaa_list) Re: float planes in utah. Date: 05 Jan 1999 00:17:06 -0700 Russ Fish wrote: > > > How about a CFI w/floatplane? > > They DO that in Utah? ;-) > I have seen float planes on fish lake a number of times! Jared Ruplinger rup@xmission.com - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NORM_BADGER@HP-USA-om32.om.hp.com Subject: (ugaa_list) EAA Annual Banquet Date: 05 Jan 1999 10:35:01 -0500 Anyone interested in EAA (Experimental Aircraft Association) EAA Annual Banquet Friday, January 8, 1999 6:00 p.m. Copper Hills High School 5445 New Bingham Highway Guest Speaker: Richard VanGrunsven Founder of Vans Aircraft, Inc. Designer of RV Aircraft Chicken Cordon Bleu Prizes, Prizes, Prizes Adults $12.00 Under 18 yrs. $6.00 Contact Ron Caldwell 968-2964 today if you plan to attend also see Calendar of Events on EAA Web Page for details http://users.sisna.com/norm/eaa23 You do not have to be a member of EAA to attend. Norm Badger norm_badger@hp.com - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Mladejovsky Subject: (ugaa_list) How did you spend YOUR new year (long)? Date: 05 Jan 1999 17:14:55 -0700 (MST) The following narrative is from a post I made to rec.aviation.piloting today. The thread has several flying stories about what people did during this New Year's. Several UGAA folk were involved with this. Leonard Wojcik is the CAP Mission Coordinator mentioned below. Dave Haymond flew the CAP Search Aircraft, and I was an observer. Mike Mladejovsky, LtC CAP Re: how did you spend YOUR new year (long) In article <3691BFD6.B10ACD0D@xmission.com>, rup@xmission.com wrote: > Great narrative. We're glad you made it back to your family too. A pair of > locals from SLC in a similar situation last week didn't. > > Blue Skies, Black Death. > rup. My New Year's Eve/New Year's Day got intertwined with the incident mentioned above. Day before New Year's Eve, I flew from SLC to Cal Black Memorial (U96) at Halls Crossing on Lake Powell to work on my boat. I returned to SLC on New Year's Eve morning. Wx was good VFR, but the visibility and ceiling at SLC was begining to deteriorate when I landed just before noon. I puttered in the hangar at SLC. It started raining at about 1pm, and by 3pm when I left the airport, the visibility was down to less than a mile, with a 200' indefinite ceiling. It started snowing about 4pm. At about 7pm (New Year's Eve), I got a call from the Civil Air Patrol Mission Coordinator. A Piper Commanche attempting to get into Salt Lake City #2 airport (U42) had made a call to Salt Lake Approach indicating that the pilot was disoriented in clouds. The aircraft was radar identified, and subsequently disappeared from SL Approach's radar, without any more radio communication, and was presumed down. The loss of radar contact occured at 3:10pm, with the last known position about 4 mi west of U42, in the foothills of the Oquirrah Mountains on the west side of the Salt Lake Valley, just North of the Kennecott Copper Mine. A search by the Salt Lake County Sheriff's Search & Rescue was ongoing, but being hampered by poor visibility and heavy snow. The ground search would continue overnight and WX permitting, CAP would launch an aircraft at first light on Friday morning (New Year's Day). Needless to say, the news put a damper on New Year's festivities. Knowing I would be up at 5:30, I went to bed by 11pm. I got a phone call at 5:45am confirming that the aircraft had not been located during the night, and that we were to launch the CAP turbo 182 search plane at first light, about 0730am. There were three of us in the aircrew. We departed SLC at 0735am, and arrived in the search area by 0750. The search area was relatively small, about 8 mi North to South, and sloped from about 5300' to over 9000' msl, over a series of deep ravines and canyons on the east face of the Oquirrah Mtns. About 2-4" of fresh snow had fallen since the incident. Visual search was made difficult by new snow, lots of brush and trees, deep ravines, early morning light with shadows, and some mist. Operations were complicated by sharing the airspace with a Sheriff's helicopter, operating in the Salt Lake Class B airspace, cordinating with the Sheriffs Incident Command Post and ground teams, and the CAP mission base. We were monitoring and talking on four frequencies simultaneously. Never heard anything on 121.5 Mhz, so this was a visual search. We spotted a couple of unknown objects that we sent the helicopter or the ground teams to check out, but they weren't the objective. About 945am we heard on the radio that the missing aircraft had just been located by a four-wheeler from the SL County SAR, so we headed back to SLC International, landing about 10am. Later, we learned that the wreckage was widely scattered, and that both occupants had died. This incident emphasises the need to maintain proficiency at flying by reference to instruments. Later that afternoon, I was a safety pilot for a friend who wanted some time under the hood. All in all, a sober (and sobering) New Year's. -- MikeM, Skylane '1MM Utah CAP SAR Pilot. - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Rocco" Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) For Sale Bulletin Board? Can do. Date: 06 Jan 1999 18:03:34 -0700 Bruce, Thank you for listening. Phil -----Original Message----- >If there is interest in this we can do it. Please email your item >description to ugaa@xmission.com, and MIME attach a PDF, JPG or GIF file of >a photo or whatever is related. Please allow at least 48 hours for any >such items to be posted. > >Then please email when it's sold. Maybe I could also take things off after >30 days unless told to leave them on. This will keep people from calling >about something that was sold months ago as often happens in Trade a Plane. > >- Bruce > > >- > To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Norin Felton Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Who's on the list Date: 09 Jan 1999 18:26:50 -0700 Edith Steele wrote: > > I would like to know how many people we have on the Email list. I'm > sure a lot of people are reading, but do not have anything to add. > I'd like for everyone just to send a quick note "Hi", so we can see > who all is reading the E mail on the list. > Hi I'm reading! - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Larsen" Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Who's on the list Date: 09 Jan 1999 20:54:12 -0700 Hi, I'm a new reader but reading. Norin Felton on 01/09/99 06:26:50 PM Please respond to ugaa_list@lists.xmission.com cc: (bcc: Fred Larsen/Sterling) Edith Steele wrote: > > I would like to know how many people we have on the Email list. I'm > sure a lot of people are reading, but do not have anything to add. > I'd like for everyone just to send a quick note "Hi", so we can see > who all is reading the E mail on the list. > Hi I'm reading! - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: T210CES@aol.com Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Who's on the list Date: 10 Jan 1999 02:27:25 EST Hi Edith .....Don - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Francis J. McCarthy III" Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Who's on the list Date: 10 Jan 1999 09:00:27 -0700 --------------4F3C1BF03A1CF45548B28195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I reading in Logan. Your off to a good start, but I hope this list remains applicable to all Utah aviation not just SLC area. Frank McCarthy (slztr@cc.usu.edu) Aztec N7HW Edith Steele wrote: > I would like to know how many people we have on the Email list. I'm > sure a lot of people are reading, but do not have anything to add. > I'd like for everyone just to send a quick note "Hi", so we can see > who all is reading the E mail on the list. --------------4F3C1BF03A1CF45548B28195 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I reading in Logan.  Your off to a good start, but I hope this list remains applicable to all Utah aviation not just SLC area.
Frank McCarthy (slztr@cc.usu.edu)
Aztec N7HW

Edith Steele wrote:

 I would like to know how many people we have on the Email list.  I'm sure a lot of people are reading, but do not have anything to add.   I'd like for everyone just to send a quick note "Hi", so we can see who all is reading the E mail on the list. 
--------------4F3C1BF03A1CF45548B28195-- - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SPDISLF@aol.com Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Who's on the list Date: 10 Jan 1999 15:05:16 EST Hi, I'm reading Todd - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chsburger1@aol.com Subject: (ugaa_list) Hello Date: 10 Jan 1999 21:33:38 EST Hello count me in. Ron - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cbooth Subject: (ugaa_list) e-mail group Date: 11 Jan 1999 16:33:12 -0800 I'm on the list and read S. Booth - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Rocco" Subject: (ugaa_list) Any word on the Leases Date: 23 Jan 1999 13:14:29 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE46D2.4F136460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doe's anyone have any news on the the meetings with The Airport = Authority? ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE46D2.4F136460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Doe's anyone have any news on the the meetings with = The=20 Airport Authority?
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE46D2.4F136460-- - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard Wojcik" Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Any word on the Leases Date: 23 Jan 1999 20:10:17 -7 |> Doe's anyone have any news on the the meetings with The Airport Authority? |> here is the latest from Tom: I spoke with Ron Malin today. The meeting with Widmar and Pack was held Tuesday afternoon, 19-Jan, instead of Thursday, 14-Jan, like he'd planned. Ron was told that "most issues" had already been taken care of but the mechanic's issue still remained. Widmar and Pack again tried to claim that the people necessary to resolve the mechanic's (and Title 16) issues were not in the meeting so they could not be resolved. Ron, seemingly our ally, told Widmar and Pack that they needed to assemble *all* the required people and call another meeting. Supposedly, another meeting is being set up. Brian O'Leary, Tom Troske, Russ Pack, and Ron Malin are all supposed to attend. Ron is working to get this meeting set up. I suggested that it was important that UGAA be given a written response to our original concerns so that we know exactly what issues have been resolved and which remain so that we can be prepared for the upcoming meeting. Ron said he'd already suggested that to Widmar and Pack. As of this afternoon, we don't know when they plan to call this next meeting. I told Ron I'd call him again tomorrow morning to see if the meeting had been scheduled. -tom Leonard Wojcik Leonard@wojciktech.com N79431 (C172/180) (:<)> Things are more like they are today than they have ever been before ! - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Boyes Subject: (ugaa_list) Talked with City Councilman Roger Thompson today Date: 27 Jan 1999 22:17:41 -0700 Mr Thompson said he would check into the apparent "stalled-ness" of meetings with the Airport Authority. He's aware of some internal turmoil at the airport which may be affecting things there in general and may be partly responsible. I also invited him to join our forum. - Bruce \||||/ If you can remain calm in times like these, / - - \ you just don't understand the situation. | O O | Complete Systems for Rapid Embedded Control Development | /\ | Bruce Boyes (bboyes@systronix.com) \ \__/ / tel: 801.534.1017 fax: -1019 www.systronix.com __| |__ *** Systronix, Inc *** / \ 555 South 300 East, Salt Lake City UT 84111 USA - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Boyes Subject: (ugaa_list) Your webmaster gone until Feb 15th Date: 27 Jan 1999 22:19:09 -0700 I will post a message of the meeting Feb 1 on the web site. This will be the last day until Feb 15th that it will be possible to change the site. I will be out of the country until then. - Bruce Boyes \||||/ If you can remain calm in times like these, / - - \ you just don't understand the situation. | O O | Complete Systems for Rapid Embedded Control Development | /\ | Bruce Boyes (bboyes@systronix.com) \ \__/ / tel: 801.534.1017 fax: -1019 www.systronix.com __| |__ *** Systronix, Inc *** / \ 555 South 300 East, Salt Lake City UT 84111 USA - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bonacci@ascend.com (Tom M. Bonacci) Subject: (ugaa_list) Conversation with Russ Widmar Date: 29 Jan 1999 11:37:02 -0600 Russ Widmar called this morning. He wants to get UGAA's cooperation in fighting three bills now before the Utah Legislature. bill 1 - doubles the tax on AvGas from $.04/gal to $.08/gal. bill 2 - removes the 1% property tax on aircraft and replaces it with a flat "registration" fee based on size, performance, etc. bill 3 - an accounting sleight-of-hand bill which seems to pay the airport money out of the Utah General Fund which should rightly belong to the airport anyway. He was *very* interested in getting UGAA's support in fighting these issues. I asked if he, in return, wanted to compromise on the hangar leases. He was pretty adamant about not allowing off-airport mechanics work on GA aircraft. He claimed it was because of two reasons, liability and Title 16's requirement for mechanics to have sufficient work space. From this phone conversation, it still seems like we're miles apart on the mechanics issue. The doubling of the avgas tax sounds like something we need to get on right away. -tom - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Rocco" Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Conversation with Russ Widmar Date: 29 Jan 1999 18:44:45 -0700 Tom, What about the rent increases? Tax bills show the new south hangers at airport #2 are tax at $26,000. and the old north hangers at $16,000< yet we all pay the same rate on singles? $180.00 per month. Any comments from Mr. Widmar on this issue? On the issue of tax increase on avgas I feel we as owners and renters pay to much in tax now and will support any effort to stop this bill. -----Original Message----- mladejovsky@ced.utah.edu ; dhaymond@bitcorp.net ; piperpa2@xmission.com ; visitor_1@hotmail.com ; leonard@wojciktech.com ; lfelton@longslc.com ; bboyes@systronix.com ; bonacci@ascend.com > >Russ Widmar called this morning. He wants to get UGAA's cooperation >in fighting three bills now before the Utah Legislature. > >bill 1 - doubles the tax on AvGas from $.04/gal to $.08/gal. >bill 2 - removes the 1% property tax on aircraft and replaces > it with a flat "registration" fee based on size, > performance, etc. >bill 3 - an accounting sleight-of-hand bill which seems to pay the > airport money out of the Utah General Fund which should > rightly belong to the airport anyway. > >He was *very* interested in getting UGAA's support in fighting these >issues. I asked if he, in return, wanted to compromise on the hangar >leases. He was pretty adamant about not allowing off-airport >mechanics work on GA aircraft. He claimed it was because of two >reasons, liability and Title 16's requirement for mechanics to have >sufficient work space. From this phone conversation, it still seems >like we're miles apart on the mechanics issue. > >The doubling of the avgas tax sounds like something we need to get on >right away. > >-tom > > >- > To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leonard Wojcik" Subject: (ugaa_list) Re: Conversation with Russ Widmar Date: 30 Jan 1999 11:51:22 -7 |> |> Russ Widmar called this morning. He wants to get UGAA's cooperation |> in fighting three bills now before the Utah Legislature. |> |> bill 1 - doubles the tax on AvGas from $.04/gal to $.08/gal. |> bill 2 - removes the 1% property tax on aircraft and replaces |> it with a flat "registration" fee based on size, |> performance, etc. |> bill 3 - an accounting sleight-of-hand bill which seems to pay the |> airport money out of the Utah General Fund which should |> rightly belong to the airport anyway. |> |> He was *very* interested in getting UGAA's support in fighting these |> issues. I asked if he, in return, wanted to compromise on the hangar |> leases. He was pretty adamant about not allowing off-airport mechanics |> work on GA aircraft. He claimed it was because of two reasons, liability |> and Title 16's requirement for mechanics to have sufficient work space. |> From this phone conversation, it still seems like we're miles apart on the |> mechanics issue. |> |> The doubling of the avgas tax sounds like something we need to get on |> right away. |> |> -tom |> Yeah, we need to get on these 3 bills right away.... AND SUPPORT THEM! The fuel tax (4 cents/gallon) from general aviation will all go into state aeronautics for maintaining airports in the state (none goes to SLC airport authority). Furthermore, of the 4 cents you already pay right now, 2 cents will go to state aeronautics, and 2 to the locale in which the fuel is sold (right now its 1 cent to aeronautics, 3 cents to the locale). The legislation also adds 1 cent per gallon for airlines ( a large chunck of money) into the aeronautics coffer. Aeronautics is resonsible for maintaining the "other airports in the state, 47 out of 50 public use airports. They are going to hell, and 5 million dollars per year is needed to keep them in good shape. This tax change will raise about 1/2 of the needed money. There will also be an appropiation from the general fund to match the fuel tax revenues. Right now we pay property tax on our airplanes, which goes to the taxing district (schools etc), not a penny goes to aviation. I am paying $300 taxes on my plane this year (a 172). The legislation removes the tax on aircraft (in similar fashion to what they did with cars last year) and substitutes a fee based on size/type of aircraft. single engine goes to $125, multi engine goes to $250, turbo prop goes to 500. this money will go into the local taxing district (required by the state constitution), not to aviation. The people who own the big iron register it out of state (with the exception of Jon Huntsman) because of the gross tax situation we now have. This may bring a number of them back, and that increased in lieu of tax revenue should make up the shortfall to local taxing districts. These bills are win/win for aviation. Widmar is totally out in the dark on this. I think he is trying to scare general aviation into fighting bills that have been put together by aviation people for our good. The airport authority stands to lose a bit in the future in fuel taxes. Widmar is greedy, wants it all, so he can run his little "anti general aviation" empire made of falsehoods and glass cathedrals. We will discuss the pending legislation at the general UGAA meeting on monday night. Bob Barrett from State Aeronautics will be there. We will report on the latest meetings with airport authority. BE THERE ! Leonard Wojcik Leonard@wojciktech.com N79431 (C172/180) (:<)> Things are more like they are today than they have ever been before ! - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Phil Rocco" Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Re: Conversation with Russ Widmar Date: 30 Jan 1999 12:29:20 -0700 Leonard, I will be there!!!! I agree Mr. Widmar is trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. He still would like GA to disappear in the valley! Phil Rocco -----Original Message----- |> |> Russ Widmar called this morning. He wants to get UGAA's cooperation |> in fighting three bills now before the Utah Legislature. |> |> bill 1 - doubles the tax on AvGas from $.04/gal to $.08/gal. |> bill 2 - removes the 1% property tax on aircraft and replaces |> it with a flat "registration" fee based on size, |> performance, etc. |> bill 3 - an accounting sleight-of-hand bill which seems to pay the |> airport money out of the Utah General Fund which should |> rightly belong to the airport anyway. |> |> He was *very* interested in getting UGAA's support in fighting these |> issues. I asked if he, in return, wanted to compromise on the hangar |> leases. He was pretty adamant about not allowing off-airport mechanics |> work on GA aircraft. He claimed it was because of two reasons, liability |> and Title 16's requirement for mechanics to have sufficient work space. |> From this phone conversation, it still seems like we're miles apart on the |> mechanics issue. |> |> The doubling of the avgas tax sounds like something we need to get on |> right away. |> |> -tom |> Yeah, we need to get on these 3 bills right away.... AND SUPPORT THEM! The fuel tax (4 cents/gallon) from general aviation will all go into state aeronautics for maintaining airports in the state (none goes to SLC airport authority). Furthermore, of the 4 cents you already pay right now, 2 cents will go to state aeronautics, and 2 to the locale in which the fuel is sold (right now its 1 cent to aeronautics, 3 cents to the locale). The legislation also adds 1 cent per gallon for airlines ( a large chunck of money) into the aeronautics coffer. Aeronautics is resonsible for maintaining the "other airports in the state, 47 out of 50 public use airports. They are going to hell, and 5 million dollars per year is needed to keep them in good shape. This tax change will raise about 1/2 of the needed money. There will also be an appropiation from the general fund to match the fuel tax revenues. Right now we pay property tax on our airplanes, which goes to the taxing district (schools etc), not a penny goes to aviation. I am paying $300 taxes on my plane this year (a 172). The legislation removes the tax on aircraft (in similar fashion to what they did with cars last year) and substitutes a fee based on size/type of aircraft. single engine goes to $125, multi engine goes to $250, turbo prop goes to 500. this money will go into the local taxing district (required by the state constitution), not to aviation. The people who own the big iron register it out of state (with the exception of Jon Huntsman) because of the gross tax situation we now have. This may bring a number of them back, and that increased in lieu of tax revenue should make up the shortfall to local taxing districts. These bills are win/win for aviation. Widmar is totally out in the dark on this. I think he is trying to scare general aviation into fighting bills that have been put together by aviation people for our good. The airport authority stands to lose a bit in the future in fuel taxes. Widmar is greedy, wants it all, so he can run his little "anti general aviation" empire made of falsehoods and glass cathedrals. We will discuss the pending legislation at the general UGAA meeting on monday night. Bob Barrett from State Aeronautics will be there. We will report on the latest meetings with airport authority. BE THERE ! Leonard Wojcik Leonard@wojciktech.com N79431 (C172/180) (:<)> Things are more like they are today than they have ever been before ! - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Bulkeley" Subject: (ugaa_list) Lease Stale Mate Solution Date: 30 Jan 1999 22:10:32 -0700 Gentlemen, Possible solution to the lease stale mate would be to drop trying to describe what maintenance is allow and who is allow to do the maintenance. Just change the wording to read: "All maintenance will be performed in accordance with FAA regulation and all state and local code." KIS This would allow Mr. Widmar to continue to hide behind Title 16, and would allow homebuilts, owner maintenance to proceed as normal. We then work to change Title 16 through the Salt Lake City Council, they seem more "aviation friendly". --JIM - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edith Steele" Subject: (ugaa_list) Re: Lease Stale Mate Solution Date: 31 Jan 1999 10:02:19 -0700 This sounds good, but they won't do it, cause they don't want the mechanics. It is BS that they are even talking about section 56. The permits allow for the mechanics to work, they just don't want them. The independent CFIs will be next. They were the issue 14 years ago, and that is where the permits came from. (The FBOs hit again in 1998) Edith -----Original Message----- Cc: mladejovsky@ced.utah.edu ; dhaymond@bitcorp.net ; piperpa2@xmission.com ; visitor_1@hotmail.com ; leonard@wojciktech.com ; lfelton@longslc.com ; bboyes@systronix.com ; bonacci@ascend.com >Gentlemen, >Possible solution to the lease stale mate would be to drop trying to >describe what maintenance is allow and who is allow to do the >maintenance. Just change the wording to read: "All maintenance will be >performed in accordance with FAA regulation and all state and local code." >KIS This would allow Mr. Widmar to continue to hide behind Title 16, and >would allow homebuilts, owner maintenance to proceed as normal. We then >work to change Title 16 through the Salt Lake City Council, they seem more >"aviation friendly". --JIM > > > - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edith Steele" Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Lease Stale Mate Solution Date: 31 Jan 1999 10:04:21 -0700 Also you are right, the City Council was also Aviation Friendly 14 years ago. They were the ones who come up with the permits to allow business independent from the FBO to continue at the airport. This was just before we had your C-152 on line Jim. Edith -----Original Message----- Cc: mladejovsky@ced.utah.edu ; dhaymond@bitcorp.net ; piperpa2@xmission.com ; visitor_1@hotmail.com ; leonard@wojciktech.com ; lfelton@longslc.com ; bboyes@systronix.com ; bonacci@ascend.com >Gentlemen, >Possible solution to the lease stale mate would be to drop trying to >describe what maintenance is allow and who is allow to do the >maintenance. Just change the wording to read: "All maintenance will be >performed in accordance with FAA regulation and all state and local code." >KIS This would allow Mr. Widmar to continue to hide behind Title 16, and >would allow homebuilts, owner maintenance to proceed as normal. We then >work to change Title 16 through the Salt Lake City Council, they seem more >"aviation friendly". --JIM > > > >- > To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BUDSHIRLI@aol.com Subject: Re: (ugaa_list) Lease Stale Mate Solution Date: 31 Jan 1999 15:01:30 EST Sound good to me Bud - To unsubscribe to ugaa_list, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe ugaa_list" in the body of the message. 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