From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Bill of Rights Day,HB 112 Success, More backdoor gun control Date: 02 Feb 2001 11:33:35 -0700 Courtesy of UTGOA... ---------------- Charles Hardy --------- Forwarded message ---------- BILL OF RIGHTS DAY HB 112 BACK DOOR GUN CONTROL REMEMBER! The Government Operations Committee will hear the two Bill of Rights Day bills at 8 AM Friday in Room 405. Please plan to attend and show your support for the Bill of Rights! GOOD NEWS! HB 112, Prevention of Retaliatory Lawsuits, was passed UNANIMOUSLY by the House Judiciary Committee today. This bill helps protect activists from frivolous lawsuits designed to silence them. HB 112 now goes to the entire House. Please call YOUR Representative and tell him/her you expect a YES vote on HB 112. And thanks to those of you who called committee members. Your hard work is paying off. BACK DOOR GUN CONTROL Thanks to dedicated gun rights activists like you, the anti-gun forces know they face a difficult battle to disarm Utahns. You may have noted that we have fewer overt anti-gun bills this year, as compared with previous years. The anti-gun forces know that a bill titled "Revoking Gun Rights on a Whim" would never pass the legislature. That's why anti-gunners are now trying to sneak gun control legislation past us. They're doing this by using the appropriations process to bypass public discussion. The appropriations committees have the task of allocating money to all of our many state agencies and programs. The standing committees debate and vote on bills that, if passed, become law. But appropriations committees can also be used to bypass the legislative process and fund "rules" and "programs" that have the same effect as laws. For the past several years, the anti-gun forces have tried to enact back-door gun control by way of the mental health system. They know that committing someone for alleged mental illness is the quickest and easiest way to revoke most of that person's rights - including his right to own a firearm. Once a person is committed, he loses his right to own a gun forever - even if he was wrongfully committed or if he has completely recovered. There is currently no way to get these records expunged or to get rights restored. (Even violent criminals can have their records expunged and can petition for restoration of rights.) There are many reasons that psychiatric commitment is such a great gun control tactic. A person accused of being mentally ill has very little in the way of due process. He doesn't get a jury trial. The usual standards of evidence are thrown out the window, so that hearsay and conjecture are admissible evidence, and he's forced to testify against himself. The standards for commitment are low. No one has to be proven mentally ill "beyond a reasonable doubt". Instead all that's necessary is somebody's belief that he is an "immediate danger to himself, others or property". (And the Division of Mental Health is trying to loosen even that standard!) In addition, once the person is committed, he's forced to pay for his own incarceration and drugging. (Even murderers don't have to pay for their imprisonment!) If he doesn't have money, the federal government chips in. So, the more people committed, the more money the Division of Mental Health gets. That's right. The Division of Mental Health gets more money for each person whose rights they revoke. And the Division is notoriously anti-gun. The major limitation on how many people can be committed is money and space. Most committed people are treated in psychiatric hospitals. There are only so many beds and so much money. So it's not possible to commit tens or hundreds of thousands of people each year. It's not possible to lock up every "right-wing extremist" or "paranoid gun nut", drug them into submission and revoke their right to self defense forever. The "solution" to this "problem" is a program called PACT or Program for Assertive Community Treatment. PACT allows people to be committed while living in their own homes and working at their own jobs. A state mental health worker or law enforcement officer comes to the person's home and makes sure he is taking his medications and complying with all the other terms of commitment. This can involve not only forced drugging, but warrantless searches. Once the person is committed, he loses his right to own a gun, is no longer eligible to serve in the military, and is disqualified from many other jobs that require background checks. And while currently one needs to be an "immediate danger" to get committed, both Gov. Leavitt and the Division of Mental Health have said that they would like to expand commitment to anything the division considers "mental illness". This includes such "mental illnesses" as poor housekeeping, poor hygiene, failure to pay child support on time, inability to hold a job, homelessness, and loitering. PACT is not only a threat to gun rights, it is a threat to ALL civil rights. If a person truly is a danger to himself or others, he should not be living at home. If he's not a danger to himself or others, he should be left alone unless he agrees to psychiatric treatment. To clarify: UTGOA has no objection to PACT if it is VOLUNTARY. Providing care to non-violent mentally ill people in their homes is certainly preferable to locking them in hospitals - if they agree to the treatment. However, no one should be forced to take mind-altering drugs against his will. And no one should have his rights revoked permanently without being convicted of a crime by a jury of his peers. Currently the Division of Mental Health is asking for over $800,000 for 4 PACT teams. The plan is ultimately to implement PACT statewide Please contact the members of the Health and Human Services Appropriations committee and ask them to remove PACT from the Division of Mental Health budget. Rep Seitz Chair, jseitz@le.state.ut.us, 435-789-0650 Sen David Steele Chair, dsteele@le.state.ut.us, 801-825-3033 Sen D. Edgar Allen, eallen@le.state.ut.usm 801-392-1050 Rep Trish Beck, tbeck@le.state.ut.us, 801-572-2325 Sen Curtis Bramble, cbramble@le.state.ut.us, 801-226-3663 Rep David Hogue, dhogue@le.state.ut.us, 801-254-1668 Rep David Litvak, dlitvak@le.state.ut.us, 801-596-0187 Rep Becky Lockhart, blockhar@le.state.ut.us, 801-377-7428 Sen Steve Poulton, spoulton@le.state.ut.us, 801-272-4338 Rep Carl Saunders, csaunder@le.state.ut.us, 801-476-1110 Rep Matt Throckmorton, mthrockm@le.state.ut.us, 801-489-8342 Please remember to be POLITE! Most of these legislators are not aware of the problems with PACT. They've been told it's a "compassionate" program to "help the mentally ill". Your job is not to call them names, but to explain the problems with PACT, and the very real threat to our civil liberties. ***** Clip and Send******* Honorable Members of the Health and Human Services Appropriations Committee, I am writing to ask you to remove funding for PACT (Program for Assertive Community Treatment) from the Division of Mental Health Budget, and to refuse to approve the budget unless PACT is removed. PACT is a very serious threat to civil liberties. People who have not committed a crime, and are living in their own homes should not be forced to take mind-altering drugs against their will. And people who are a threat to themselves or others should not be living in the community. I am also concerned that PACT might be used to revoke the rights of peaceful citizens who have "politically incorrect" ideas, belong to minority religions, own guns, etc. Of particular concern is that once someone is committed, he loses his right to own a gun forever - even if the commitment was unjustified or if he has fully recovered. Likewise, someone who is committed may lose custody of his own children, and may be prohibited from holding certain jobs or serving in the military. I do not want my tax dollars used to revoke the rights of my fellow citizens or to force people to take mind-altering drugs. Please OPPOSE PACT, and make sure it is removed from the Division of Mental Health Budget. Thank you. Your name Your address Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson PO Box 1185 Sandy, UT 84091 801-566-1625 http://www.utgoa.org Director@utgoa.org PLEASE SUPPORT UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE! JOIN US TODAY! Did someone forward this to you? Please SUBSCRIBE NOW! 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Perhaps requiring a standard, State written tests to be administered by current instructors would be ok. Thoughts? The section about raising prices on permits is of concern as well. People should not be taxed at all in order to exercise God given, Constitutionally enumerated and protected rights. My attitude is that, as a gun owner, permits and background checks don't do me a bit of good. They are to calm the fears of the gun phobes and thus benefit only them. Thus, they--and not I--should be paying for them. The final sentence gives some comfort this time around, but we should maybe be watching closely just to make sure nothing slips through. From today's SLTrib, Audit Says Gun-Safety Program a Failure Lawmakers urged to replace loose concealed-gun training with a mandatory state test Saturday, February 3, 2001 BY DAN HARRIE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE Legislative auditors recommend the state consider junking the gun-safety program used to qualify citizens for concealed-weapons permits. An audit released Friday in the Capitol says Utah's Concealed Carry Weapon (CCW) Program is dramatically underfunded and lacks the resources to oversee safety training courses. "At present there is no evidence that CCW permit holders are actually taught or understand the state's laws on allowable uses of deadly force or safe weapons-handling techniques," said the audit by Legislative Auditor General Wayne Welsh. Courses intended to ensure people are competent to handle guns and knowledgeable about laws regulating firearms use range over a "wide spectrum," said the report, "from a bare minimum offering intended only to meet the letter of the law to hands-on training designed to improve weapon handling and proficiency." The audit recommended lawmakers consider getting rid of the current system that requires training by one of hundreds of private instructors and replacing it with a simple written state test. "A state-regulated testing program may offer greater control and evidence that applicants at least have an understanding of Utah's laws, use of lethal force and weapons handling and safety than the loose system for firearms-familiarity instruction now in place," said the report. Auditors also found that taxpayers subsidize the current concealed-carry weapon program to the tune of $144,000 annually. Fees charged for weapons permits run $59, including $24 needed for FBI background checks and the rest to the state. Last year, the state received $307,400 in fees revenue. But the cost of the program was $451,800. Moreover, the fees collected on concealed-weapons permits are not earmarked for the licensing program. Lawmakers budget just $88,000 for the activity, requiring the Bureau of Criminal Identification to shift about $363,834 from other services, including Brady Act gun-purchase background checks. Auditors recommended raising the fees to better reflect the cost of the program. They also urged lawmakers to boost the annual appropriation -- which has remained flat for several years even though liberalization of the concealed-carry laws in 1994 has pushed the number of permit holders from about 1,000 to more than 39,000. The audit findings parallel revelations in a 1999 Salt Lake Tribune investigation. A review of gun safety-training by the newspaper concluded that there were "serious flaws" in the system and that the quality of courses offered by state-certified instructors was "wildly uneven, ranging from seven-hour sessions that include firing-range time to sham classes that appear mainly designed to provide supplemental income to lax instructors." "Utah may be playing Russian roulette with how it ensures that people licensed to carry concealed weapons are competent to handle guns and knowledgeable about gun laws." Of seven classes sampled by Tribune reporters, five were deemed good to excellent and two were poor. In the worst case, instructor Celeste Morgan charged $75 for a one-hour session in which no gun was ever introduced to satisfy requirements of safe loading and handling. She signed off on the certification even though the form was otherwise blank, and could have been used by someone other than the student. House Majority Leader Kevin Garn, R-Layton, attempted to pass legislation last year requiring that a concealed-weapon applicant demonstrate shooting proficiency. He dropped it in the face of overwhelming opposition. "The problem is there are a lot of instructors out there that make money. They have the ability to send panic through the gun community, and they don't want the laws to change," said Garn. "We've got people coming out of those classes who have no idea how to use a gun," he said, adding the auditors' idea of a state test might be a good solution. But, Garn added, "it's too late in the [legislative] session to do anything now." The current Legislature ends Feb. 28. ---------------- Charles Hardy ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Sen. Stepheson town meeting Date: 04 Feb 2001 00:23:50 -0700 Sen. Howard Stephenson is having a town meeing this coming Wednesday, Feb. 7 at 7:00 pm in the Sandy City Hall. While Sen. Stepheson has traditionally been on the right side of the gun issue, it would be nice if pro-gun folks were there in force to remind him we really do expect him to be very pro-active in preserving and regaining our rights. ---------------- Charles Hardy ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "larry larsen" Subject: RE: CCW article in today's SLTrib Date: 04 Feb 2001 09:25:28 -0700 I am an instructor in Southern Utah (that doesn’t mean Provo for you in Northern Utah):>) I don't know about all the other instructors here, but I know myself, and one other, who spend our fair share amount of time putting forth the doctrine the state "says" they would like to have put forth. Not that I agree with it that much, as I am of the type that knows carrying a weapon is a God giving right not a state right, even thought we are currently stuck in the state mentality, which comes with the support of a good many so called "freedom loving people". I also know, because of years of teaching pistol craft, that you can't teach someone to shoot for fifty bucks in a two hour range session. I don't see how a state test, on the form of a questionnaire or multiple guess type test, would be better than the current system. Take for example the drivers test, which anyone with half a brain, or someone just dropped out of a space ship from Mars could pass with a 10 minute look in the little book they have there. How could such a test show a persons ability to load or shoot a gun? Da? Do I miss something here? No, I don't think I do, I see the real intent, and that is getting a foot in the door for another state bureaucracy, which would be on the order of the drivers license bureau, (I am trying to keep this civil and not say what I am thinking about that department). No we don't want to see this testing of applicants for CC handed over to the state. If the state is paying so much now for what is being achieved, in their minds, think how much it would cost if you had to pay the state for the same thing. It would cost the applicant thousands of dollars for the permit, all this because each little bureaucracy that starts up has to suck, feed and grow, and the sad part, it wouldn't solve a single problem, except in the eyes of the left, it would halt the number of applicants, and permit holders. I guess that would be a plus for some. All anyone has to do is look at the source of this message, a government worker, and the leftist press to tell what the real intent is. Why not ask the people who have taken these little classes, or who would like to take one, but don't quite have the fifty bucks or so that it now costs to take it. Ask them if they are getting their monies worth, paying for something that shouldn't even cost them a dime? Thanks Charles for the alert. Larry - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Committee hearings TUESDAY, Meeting with Legislators, Another VICTORY Date: 05 Feb 2001 22:39:37 -0700 Some good news and some more calls to action. Please note two town meetings being held by legislators and try to attend one of them. ---------------- Charles Hardy --------- Forwarded message ---------- Committee Hearings Tuesday Meeting with Sen. Stephenson Meeting with Utah County legislators Bill updates and a VICTORY REMINDER! Please plan to attend the House Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee hearing Tuesday, 8 AM, Room 225 at the State Capitol. The following bills will be discussed: HB 274 - OLYMPIC VENUE SITES This bill would ban lawful concealed carry at the State Capitol and Salt Lake City-County Bldg. for roughly 3 months around the Olympics. It would do nothing to prevent criminals from carrying firearms in those locations. See the Feb. 3 alert http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts?alerts01/020301.html for more details and a list of legislators to contact. It is rumored that Rep. Ure is planning to "modify" this bill, or even kill it. But no one ever knows what's really going to happen until it happens. It's important to show up to oppose HB 274 and to make sure legislators know that gun control bills will meet with strong and organized opposition. HB 266 - RESTORATION OF RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS will also be discussed at this committee. UTGOA has not yet seen the new version of the bill. According to bill sponsor, Rep. Throckmorton, the intent is to provide a way for persons prohibited from owning firearms to have their rights restored. MEETINGS WITH LEGISLATORS UTAH COUNTY The Utah County Delegation is having a report meeting for all citizens Thursday night, February 8 from 7-9 p.m. at Lakeridge Junior High-900 South 400 West, Orem. Rep. Mike Thompson has requested that gun rights supporters attend this meeting. As you know, Rep. Thompson is sponsoring two pro-gun bills this session: firearms safety education in schools and "Vermont" carry which recognizes the right to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. It is now up to US to show our appreciation for Rep. Thompson's willingness to sponsor pro-gun bills, and to convince our elected officials to vote for them. If you live in Utah County - or even if you don't! - PLEASE plan to attend. SENATOR HOWARD STEPHENSON - Sandy Sen. Howard Stephenson is having a town meeting Wednesday, Feb. 7 at 7:00 pm in the Sandy City Hall. Sen. Stephenson is generally friendly towards gun rights. However, he had only a 44% correct voting record last year. He would undoubtedly benefit by hearing from constituents who would like him to support all of our pro-gun bills this year. He could also use some encouragement to sign on as co-sponsor for some/all of them. BILL UPDATES HB 112 (Prevention of Retaliatory Lawsuits), HB 133 and HJR 10 (Bill of Rights Day) are on the House third (final) reading calendar. Please make sure your Representative knows you expect a YES vote on these bills. Votes may be as soon as tomorrow. VICTORY! HB 222 (Tax Credit for Safes) was defeated in the House today by a vote of 30-42. Thank you for your assistance in defeating this bill. SB 87 (Antique Firearms Amendments) passed the Senate Transportation Committee today. This bill exempts antique firearms from current gun control laws. UTGOA is neutral on this bill. Please let your Senator know how you would like him to vote. Utah Gun Owners Alliance expects to have bill language on HB 345 (Vermont carry) and HB 376 (Concealed Carry Reciprocity) in the next few days. So far, we are very optimistic about these bills, and appreciate Reps. Thompson and Donnelson for their willingness to sponsor pro-gun bills. Remember - You can get the full text of each bill by going to www.le.state.ut.us and clicking on bills. You can also link to each bill from the UTGOA web site. Our bill analyses are posted at http://www.utgoa.org/resources/2001bills.html Due to the very short and busy legislative session, our bill status information is sometimes less current than the official state web site. Do you know someone who should be on the Utah Gun Owners Alliance phone tree? If so, please have them call Utah Gun Owners Alliance at 801-566-1625. Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson PO Box 1185 Sandy, UT 84091 801-566-1625 http://www.utgoa.org Director@utgoa.org PLEASE SUPPORT UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE! JOIN US TODAY! Did someone forward this to you? Please SUBSCRIBE NOW! That way you'll receive our FREE alerts as soon as they're released. During the legislative session, we send urgent, time limited alerts. Don't risk missing important information because someone else neglected to forward important information. Our alerts are low volume and average less than one alert per day. To subscribe to the UTGOA list, send a blank email to utgoa-subscribe@egroups.com or use the form on our web site, http://www.utgoa.org. For more information, see http://www.egroups.com/group/UTGOA. UTGOA is written and distributed by, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. www.utgoa.org, and Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed. Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no changes are made, UTGOA is clearly credited, and this message is left intact. Archives of the UTGOA alerts can be found at: http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. is a Utah non-profit corporation. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: UTGOA-unsubscribe@egroups.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Bergeson" Subject: Vermont Carry HB 345 Date: 07 Feb 2001 09:09:50 -0700 DAve Hansen advises: ----- Note: I found out last night that Speaker Stephens is attempting to cut a deal with Representatives Thompson and Donnelson (who are sponsoring three pro-gun bills--Vermont Carry HB 345, Gun Safety Law Amendments, or gun safety education in schools HB 264, and Reciprocity or recognition of CCW permits from all states). The deal is that if Thompson stops pushing through the Vermont Carry bill, the other two will get support. The real reason for this is that legislators do not want to have to vote on Vermont Carry, because it will show their true colors and allow us to use it against them in coming elections. Please make your feelings known. Dave - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: Rep. Swallow Town Meeting Date: 07 Feb 2001 16:10:52 -0700 Sorry for the late notice, I just learned of this one. I do not know if this will be in the same room as Sen. Stephenson's town meeting or not. It appears that the main item of focus for Swallow's meeting will be his Universal Tuition Tax Credit bill. But, given the leadership that is slated to be there, it looks like a fine opportunity to bring up gun issues. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control -----Begin Forwarded Message---- Rep. John Swallow will be holding a town meeting at Sandy City Hall tonight (Wednesday) at 7:30. This meeting offers those in the Sandy area an opportunity to thank him personally for introducing his tuition tax credit bill yesterday. I also offers us an opportunity to communicate our views on this bill with members of the leadership, because John will be accompanied by Al Mansell, President of the Senate (who was at the news conference yesterday) and House Speaker Marty Stevens (who was not). Those of you who helped make yesterday such a success can follow up with a show of support for Rep. Swallow tonight. Those who couldn't make it to the Capitol during working hours yesterday can make amends by showing up tonight. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Update: Town Meeting in Sandy Date: 07 Feb 2001 17:12:09 -0700 It appears that Sen. Stephenson's and Rep. Swallow's town meetings at the Sandy City Hall this evening have been combined into a single meeting. House Speaker Stephens and Senate President Mansell are scheduled to be in attendance as well. I have no info on the confict on the start time so my suggestion is show up in time to get good seats should the meeting start at 7:00pm but don't be too surprised if it doesn't start until 7:30. Please dress appropriately. IOW, please avoid T shirts (no matter how catchy the slogan) and if you really must wear cammo, please make it "urban cammo" also known as a suit and tie. :) Clean jeans and a collared shirt (pollo or full button down) are very appropriate for the men. Let's do our best to make sure our elected officials and the media don't have any "gun nuts" to photograph tonight but rather have respectable, tax paying, voting citizens who happen to value their right to self defense. Thanks and I hope to see you there. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: FW: Action: Attend Sen. Comm. Mtg-HB179 Date: 07 Feb 2001 22:22:06 -0700 Another reminder on the Paycheck Protection Bill Hearing. This bill would do much to protect our gun rights. It has passed the house and is now in the Senate. It passed the Senate the last two years so should do well this year. Turn out to support it if possible or simply contact the committee members via phone or email. Committee members are: Sen. Dan R. Eastman, Chair (R) 968 Canyon Creast Dr. Bountiful,Utah 84010 Phone(801)295-5133 deastman@le.state.ut.us Sen. Curtis S. Bramble (R) 3663 N. 870 E. Provo, Utah 84604 Phone(801)373-1040 cbramble@le.state.ut.us Sen. Gene Davis (D) 865 Parkway Ave Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 Office(801)263-7108 Home(801)484-9428 gdavis@le.state.ut.us Sen. Parley Hellewell (R) 492 South 1000 West Orem, Utah 84058 Home(801)226-3034 phellewe@le.state.ut.us parley@deseretonline.com Sen. Ed P. Mayne (D) 5044 West Bannock Circle West Valley City, Utah 84120 Office(801)972-2771 Home(801)968-7756 Fax(801)972-9344 emayne@le.state.ut.us Sen. L. Steven Poulton (R) 4524 Briarcreek Dr. Salt Lake City, Utah 84117 Office(801)484-4477 Home(801)272-4338 Fax(801)486-7541 spoulton@le.state.ut.us ---------------- Charles Hardy --------- Forwarded message ---------- Action: Attend the Senate Business, Labor, and Economic Development Committee Meeting that is scheduled to consider HB179, Payroll Protection, Thursday, 4 p.m., Room 403. Tomorrow's agenda has HB179 seventh and last on the agenda. I can't guarantee they'll get to it, but if you can make it to the committee meeting, it would be great. I can guarantee the unions will be there in large numbers, and we need to balance it. Being later in the day than most, I hope more of us working people can get to it. I'm going to try. Thanks, ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Waldron Subject: ACLU and guns Date: 08 Feb 2001 12:19:17 -0800 The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is trying to find any pro-RKBA chapters of the ACLU anywhere in the U.S. SAF and other gun rights advocacy groups have worked with the ACLU in the past, but this has generally been on peripheral issues rather than pure RKBA issues. SAF has added an ACLU page to its web site at http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/general/ACLU.htm If any list members have knowledge of direct pro-RKBA support provided by any ACLU chapter, or by an officer of any chapter, please forward the info to Dave LaCourse at davel@liberty.seanet.com Please add me as an info addressee (jwaldron@halcyon.com). TIA Joe Waldron - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw:ALERT GUN FEE INCREASES Date: 08 Feb 2001 17:29:48 -0700 The following is taken from the latest USSC alert. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control --------- Forwarded message ---------- URGENT ACTION ALERT from Utah Shooting Sports Council February 8, 2001 PLEASE PASS THIS ALERT to anyone else who would be interested. STOP THE SNEAKY GUN FEE INCREASE In a sneaky move, Rep. Gary Cox is attempting to raise the fees for renewing permits to legally carry a concealed weapon for self-defense. The actual increase (this time) is relatively small ($10 to $35 for concealed carry permits, and $10 to $25 for Concealed carry instructors). However, there is a definite trend by people opposed to legal gun ownership and use to try to make guns too expensive to own through fees, taxes, litigation and other schemes. This fee increase is being attempted IN VIOLATION OF THE PROCEDURES for such an increase. ? The Department of Public Safety did not request a fee increase. ? The Legislative Analyst responsible for such proposals did not request a fee increase. ? The fee increase has not gone through the public comment process required by the Utah Administrative Procedures Act. ? The data used to audit the concealed carry fees has not been made available for review The House Appropriations Committee where this sneak attack took place is not expected to meet again. The proposed increase is subject to review at an Executive Appropriations Committee meeting in the next few days. PLEASE CONTACT THE FOLLOWING LEGISLATORS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE Ask them to delete any firearms related fee increases for the reasons above: House Leadership: Speaker Marty Stephens, mstephen@le.state.ut.us Rep. Kevin Garn, kgarn@le.state.ut.us Rep. David Ure, dure@le.state.ut.us Rep. Greg Curtis, gcurtis@le.state.ut.us Rep Jeff Alexander, jalexand@le.state.ut.us Senate Leadership: President Al Mansel, amansell@le.state.ut.us Senator Steven Poulton, spoulton@le.state.ut.us Senator John Valentine, jvalenti@le.state.ut.us Senator Peter Knudson, pknudson@le.state.ut.us Senator Leonard Blackham, lblackha@le.state.ut.us Senator Bill Hickman, jhickman@le.state.ut.us Senator Chris Buttars. dbuttars@le.state.ut.us HIGHWAY LOCATIONS NEEDED Help USSC find privately owned highway frontage (approx 800 feet or more) along Interstates 15, 70, 80, 84 or 215 or US 6, 89 or 40 so we can put up pro-gun "Burma Shave" type signs. This is a simple, powerful way to educate and motivate pro-gun people. No cost to land owner. Signs are about 18" x 96". If you or a friend own land like this, please contact admin@UtahShootingSports.org ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "larry larsen" Subject: RE: ACLU and guns Date: 08 Feb 2001 21:03:49 -0700 Hahahahah surly you jest. larry -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe Waldron Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:19 PM The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is trying to find any pro-RKBA chapters of the ACLU anywhere in the U.S. SAF and other gun rights advocacy groups have worked with the ACLU in the past, but this has generally been on peripheral issues rather than pure RKBA issues. SAF has added an ACLU page to its web site at http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/general/ACLU.htm If any list members have knowledge of direct pro-RKBA support provided by any ACLU chapter, or by an officer of any chapter, please forward the info to Dave LaCourse at davel@liberty.seanet.com Please add me as an info addressee (jwaldron@halcyon.com). TIA Joe Waldron - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Guns in Movies Date: 09 Feb 2001 10:26:11 -0700 Guns in Movies: Where Do We Stand? By Richard W. Stevens Editor, The Bill of Rights Sentinel Movies. America is known worldwide for making movies. By making some things look "normal" and other things look evil, mysterious or "un-cool," movies massively influence public opinion. Fashions in speech, conduct, and dress are suggested by movies. Many people believe that cigarette smoking surged overwhelmingly in popularity in the last century because most leading men and women, and even the supporting players, made smoking seem natural, easy and normal -- even high class -- in movies. Few would doubt the power of movies today to sway public views about fashion, ethics and politics. Movies for Self-Defense What do most American movies teach about the right to self-defense? About the right to keep and bear arms? In times past, there were countless "western" movies. Although some of these improperly glorified or tried to justify white men killing Indians, many others were morality stories of good versus evil. Frequently in western movies the audience would see self-defense in action. A lone woman picking up a firearm to defend herself and her family. An armed boy helping his dad ward off attackers. Stranded settlers organizing to stand watch -- and fight off -- robbers and marauders. Western movies of this sort, however, are dead and gone. Last year's film about the Revolutionary War, "The Patriot", was criticized for showing young boys using firearms even for an unquestionably good cause. Movies Against Guns Hollywood in the last 30 years has turned 180 degrees against the right to keep and bear arms. Anti-gun films, however, mostly don't preach "gun control" openly. As always, movies teach by showing what is "normal", mysterious and "cool" -- and by showing what is ridiculous, dangerous and uncool. In Woody Allen's recent comedy, "Don't Drink the Water", the only gun in the movie is portrayed as unnecessary, awkward, and inherently dangerous. Viewers get the message that nutty New Yorkers will play cowboy and accidentally shoot innocent people in all directions. By watching the players, the audience learned that guns are terribly risky and people are too crazy to use them properly. Last year's "Charlie's Angels" movie played against defensive gun use, too. The three heroines didn't use firearms at all, and the female stars pointedly mentioned that fact in publicity interviews. In many other movies, the only people with firearms are either the criminals and crazies, or the police and military. "Die Hard". "Con Air". "Air Force One". Only rarely does a modern film show an average person, living in the city or suburbs, driving away thugs without shooting -- which is the most common type of defensive gun use. Practically never do films show wholesome family recreational shooting. It's time for a change, so JPFO is taking a hard look at the movie industry. Maybe we need to expose the heavy anti-gun bias that is woven into most modern films. Maybe we need to make a pro-self defense movie of our own. We Need Movie Critics -- Like You! If you watch movies at all, then you can help with our project. It's easy: just tell us about movies since 1970 that you thought were especially anti-gun or anti-self defense, and in a sentence or two explain why. We need this information to help build a strategy to take on Hollywood. We need the information from actual movie viewers, not from professional critics. That's why we urgently need your help. Please, write, fax, or e-mail your suggestions to us: Guns in Movies JPFO, Inc. P.O. Box 270143 Hartford, WI 53027 Fax: (262) 673-9746 e-mail: mailto:movies@jpfo.org After we receive and tally the feedback we get from readers like you, we will announce our findings and our plan. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: not everyone against PACT is a Scientologist! Date: 09 Feb 2001 10:57:19 -0700 While a generic "Dear Legislator" is probably not quite as effective as an individually addressed email, it is certainly far more effective than no email at all which might be the alternative for some. This email contains most or all of the email addresses to contact to oppose PACT. They are in a format that is very easy to cut and paste into the address field. I do reccommend that if you send a "bulk" email like this that you head the advice to put the addresses into the blind carbon copy (bcc) field so that the recipients do not see who else has received the email. For those using Juno, you get bcc by placing addresses inside parenthesis, eg. "(email address, email address, email address)", in the Cc field. You then only need a single address in the To field. Also for those using Juno, there is a limit on the number of addresses you can put in the cc field so the list below has to be done about 1/2 at a time. Still, it's only two messages to send rather than 40. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control --------- Forwarded message ---------- Dear Friends, It appears as if the proponents of PACT (Program for Assertive Community Treatment are so worried about losing the funding for their pet project that they have turned it into a religious issue. Members of the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI) along with Representative Trish Beck have been going around the Legislature telling anyone who will listen that the only reason why PACT is being attacked is because of the "Scientologists" and that if it wasn't for the Scientologists everything would be just fine! Talk about trying to discredit the messenger so you won't have to look at the message. Legislators need to know that this is absolutely untrue and that non-Scientologists oppose this civil rights abomination too. I don't think that the Scientologists are the only one who worry about freedom! Please copy the email addresses in your bcc (blind carbon copy) section and send all the legislators a message saying that you oppose PACT and that regardless of the claims of Trish Beck and NAMI you are not a Scientologist. Please make sure that you include your phone number. PACT is coming up for vote Friday afternoon so this needs to go out fast. Thank you for setting the record straight! Sandra eanderso@le.state.ut.us, bferry@le.state.ut.us, cbuttars@le.state.ut.us, lpace@le.state.ut.us, bparker@le.state.ut.us, mstephen@le.state.ut.us, jmurray@le.state.ut.us, nhansen@le.state.ut.us, lshurtli@le.state.ut.us, csaunder@le.state.ut.us, gadair@le.state.ut.us, pray@le.state.ut.us, dbush@le.state.ut.us, daagard@le.state.ut.us, kgarn@le.state.ut.us, mdillree@le.state.ut.us, rbarrus@le.state.ut.us, sallen@le.state.ut.us, rsiddowa@le.state.ut.us, jgowans@le.state.ut.us, cduckwor@le.state.ut.us, dbourdea@le.state.ut.us, rbecker@le.state.ut.us, sdaniels@le.state.ut.us, ffife@le.state.ut.us, dlitvack@le.state.ut.us, abradsha@le.state.ut.us, bgoodfel@le.state.ut.us, jbiskups@le.state.ut.us, tmccartney@le.state.ut.us, rbigelow@le.state.ut.us, nhendric@le.state.ut.us, kholdawa@le.state.ut.us, jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us, atyler@le.state.ut.us, csmoss@le.state.ut.us, gcox@le.state.ut.us, cbeshear@le.state.ut.us, pjones@le.state.ut.us, parent@le.state.ut.us, pwallace@le.state.ut.us, wharper@le.state.ut.us, cbennion@le.state.ut.us, mphilpot@le.state.ut.us, kmorgan@le.state.ut.us, bhollada@le.state.ut.us, tbeck@le.state.ut.us, gcurtis@le.state.ut.us, mnewbold@le.state.ut.us, jswallow@le.state.ut.us, dhogue@le.state.ut.us, dure@le.state.ut.us, gsnow@le.state.ut.us, jseitz@le.state.ut.us, dcox@le.state.ut.us, bwinn@le.state.ut.us, jferrin@le.state.ut.us, mthompson@le.state.ut.us, kbryson@le.state.ut.us, mdayton@le.state.ut.us, jalexand@le.state.ut.us, sclark@le.state.ut.us, blockhar@le.state.ut.us, mthrockm@le.state.ut.us, gway@le.state.ut.us, dpeterson@le.state.ut.us, mstyler@le.state.ut.us, bking@le.state.ut.us, bjohnson@le.state.ut.us, myoung@le.state.ut.us, dbowman@le.state.ut.us, thatch@le.state.ut.us, dclark@le.state.ut.us, surquhart@le.state.ut.us, ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Bergeson" Subject: FW: UPS Gun Thief will Serve No Time Date: 09 Feb 2001 11:38:47 -0700 On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:39:10 -0500 Skypod (Melissa) wrote: UPS Gun Thief will Serve No Time http://www.msnbc.com/local/WHEC/85936.asp?cp1=1 "No jail time for a former UPS worker who diverted gun shipments to himself. Airport native Todd Tongue was sentenced Wednesday to 6 months of home confinement plus 5 years probation on charges he stole gun shipments while working at the shipping company. Federal prosecutors say Tongue intercepted gun and ammunition shipments from a wholesale gun dealer in 1998. He could have faced 10 years behind bars." my comment: Ya think perhaps he did it FOR them so they could crack-down on gun shipments? yours in Liberty, Melissa (skypod) http://www.GunControlVictories.com Keep And Bear Arms ~ Gun Owners Home Page http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com GrassRoots Gun Rights, South Carolina http://www.SCFirearms.org - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Federal Gun BuyBack Proposed Date: 09 Feb 2001 13:24:03 -0700 On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:23:32 -0500 Skypod (Melissa) provides: Federal Gun BuyBack Proposed - H.R.278 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.278: Senator Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island has proposed Bill HR278 in Congress, to allocate $15 million per year of your tax money, for gun buy-back programs, with preferential treatment given to localities who promise to destroy their collected guns. GET YOUR REP'S FAX, PHONE & EMAIL: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/capitolwiz - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Stop increased CCW fees, Rumors, Bill of Rights Day Date: 10 Feb 2001 18:18:48 -0700 A great time to make some phone calls. ---------------- Charles Hardy --------- Forwarded message ---------- PLEASE COME VISIT THE UTGOA BOOTH AT THE GUN SHOW THIS WEEKEND! SNEAKY GUN CONTROL - Call these legislators! Yesterday Utah Gun Owners Alliance reported that Rep. Gary Cox had pushed a huge fee increase for CCW permit renewals and instructor certification renewals through the Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee. UTGOA does not think a 250% increase in fees is justified. UTGOA is willing to work with BCI, Rep. Cox, and the legislature, should the audit show that more funding is necessary. But we feel strongly that sneaking fee increases into an appropriations bill without input from BCI, concealed carry instructors, or gun rights advocates, and without public comment, is highly inappropriate. This is especially true since no one has had the chance to study the auditor's report carefully. Please contact members of the Joint Executive Offices, Criminal Justice and Legislative Appropriations committee. We recommend doing this by phone over the weekend, while legislators are home. Let them know that 250% fee increases are unacceptable and that you would like them to reconsider, and to allow for input from gun rights organizations as well as the Bureau of Criminal Identification. Also tell them that you would like to attend this meeting and ask them to schedule it in advance so you can arrange to be there. We are only asking that the committee be fair and give us the opportunity to present our views, and that it be responsible and justify any proposed fee increases. Committee members (Buttars and Tyler, Chairs) Sen. D. Chris Buttars, 801-561-0535, dbuttars@le.state.ut.us Rep. A. Lamont Tyler, 801-272-1218, atyler@le.state.ut.us Rep. Ron Bigelow, 801-968-4188, rbigelow@le.state.ut.us Rep. Gary F. Cox, 801-967-9760, gcox@le.state.ut.us Rep. Scott Daniels, 801-582-8080, sdaniels@le.state.ut.us Sen. Peter C. Knudson, 435-723-2035, pknudson@le.state.ut.us Rep. Paul Ray, 801-744-0624, pray@le.state.ut.us Sen. Pete Suazo, 801-521-3751, psuazo@le.state.ut.us Rep. Mike Thompson, 801-226-5032, mthompson@le.state.ut.us Remember to call at a reasonable hour, be polite, and always leave a clear message if the legislator isn't there. Make sure you leave your name and phone number, and ask him to call you back. Remember to include guidelines, such as "He can call anytime until midnight". *************Clip and Send**************** Honorable members of the Joint Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee, I am writing to ask you to reconsider the Concealed Carry permit and instructor renewal fee increases in the Criminal Justice budget, and to oppose this budget until the fee increases are removed. Fee increases of 250% are outrageous! It's hard to imagine how this could ever be justified. Such huge increases should never be enacted without careful consideration, analysis and opportunities for public comment. The Legislative Auditor's report on concealed carry has barely been out a week. No one has had time to review it carefully or to check the Auditor's data and analysis. Neither the Bureau of Criminal Identification nor the public has had the opportunity to be involved in this process. Why are you rushing to enact such an ill-considered plan? Finally, I am extremely disappointed that my elected officials would try to sneak such huge fee increases past me by burying them in an appropriations bill. I would appreciate it if the Committee would reconsider these fee increases, and delay a decision until the issue can be studied fully. At the very least, hold a public hearing so that BCI, gun rights advocates, concealed carry instructors, and ordinary citizens can participate in this decision. Please respond and let me know what you plan to do. Thank you. YOUR NAME YOUR ADDRESS ************************************************ RUMORS Utah Gun Owners Alliance has received many inquiries about a rumor circulating that Speaker Marty Stephens and Rep. Mike Thompson were "cutting a deal" to kill Vermont carry. This rumor is FALSE. Both Stephens and Thompson say they have not talked about gun bills at all. In fact, Stephens has committed to making sure our pro-gun bills make it out of rules and are assigned to an appropriate committee. And Thompson is committed to passing HB 345 - Carrying a Firearm. Utah Gun Owners Alliance is working with Rep. Thompson to draft the bill, and we expect to have bill text early next week. BILL OF RIGHTS DAY Rep. Morgan Philpot's two Bill of Rights Day bills (HB 133 and HJR 10) will have their House floor vote on Tuesday, Feb. 13, at 2 PM. Rep. Philpot says he has amended HB 133 to include Constitution Day as well, although the exact text is not yet available. Rep. Philpot has asked Utah Gun Owners Alliance to extend an invitation to all people who care about our Constitution and Bill of Rights to come to the Capitol to observe the vote. No public comments are permitted, but you will be able to sit in the gallery above the House floor and watch the proceedings. PACT UPDATE PACT is still being discussed by the Joint Health and Human Services Appropriations Committee. Your calls and email are definitely having an effect. Please keep up the good work! Also, the correct email address for Rep. Litvack is dlitvack@le.state.ut.us. We apologize for the error in our previous alert. WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE GUN SHOW THIS WEEKEND! COME SEND SOME POSTCARDS TO YOUR LEGISLATORS! Enjoy the weekend! Our pro-gun bills will be up for votes soon and things will get extremely busy. Reps. Thompson and Donnelson need your active support if they are going to get their bills passed. Please remember to check your email regularly and plan to spend some time each day working to protect your rights. We are extremely lucky to have legislators who will run pro-gun bills. We need to show them that it's worth their while. Thanks! Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson PO Box 1185 Sandy, UT 84091 801-566-1625 http://www.utgoa.org Director@utgoa.org PLEASE SUPPORT UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE! JOIN US TODAY! Did someone forward this to you? Please SUBSCRIBE NOW! That way you'll receive our FREE alerts as soon as they're released. During the legislative session, we send urgent, time limited alerts. Don't risk missing important information because someone else neglected to forward important information. Our alerts are low volume and average less than one alert per day. To subscribe to the UTGOA list, send a blank email to utgoa-subscribe@egroups.com or use the form on our web site, http://www.utgoa.org. For more information, see http://www.egroups.com/group/UTGOA. UTGOA is written and distributed by, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. www.utgoa.org, and Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed. Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no changes are made, UTGOA is clearly credited, and this message is left intact. Archives of the UTGOA alerts can be found at: http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. is a Utah non-profit corporation. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Phone number correction Fw: [UTGOA] Stop increased CCW fees, Rumors, Bill of Rights Day Date: 10 Feb 2001 22:17:37 -0700 The original alert had an incorrect phone number for Rep. Ray. Please see below for the corrected number. Please be aware that at least a couple members of the committee are really quite hostile to your ability to carry a weapon for self defense--though they may not say so in that many words, their tone and actions will leave little doubt in your mind. However, there are several members who are friendly to and generally supportive of your rights and ability. If you receive a negative response from one or more legislators, do not be surprised nor discouraged. Call the other members, ask them to attend this meeting, oppose this fee increase or to at least support any efforts to schedule a time for more comment on them. Remind them that the Legislative Audit upon which Rep. Cox is basing these huge increases has only been available for a week, that isn't time for a full review, and no comment nor testimony has been heard from the public nor pro-gun organizations on these increases. Also remind them that while the legislative audit suggested that differences between income and expendeture levels at BCI be made up via a combination of general fund appropriation increases and modest fee increases, Rep. Cox's measure increases ONLY fees forcing gun owners to shoulder the entire shortfall themselves. Please remember to be courteous while firmly letting these legislators know that both the size of the proposed increase AND the process used to date are not acceptable. ---------------- Charles Hardy --------- Forwarded message ---------- SNEAKY GUN CONTROL - Call these legislators! Yesterday Utah Gun Owners Alliance reported that Rep. Gary Cox had pushed a huge fee increase for CCW permit renewals and instructor certification renewals through the Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee. UTGOA does not think a 250% increase in fees is justified. UTGOA is willing to work with BCI, Rep. Cox, and the legislature, should the audit show that more funding is necessary. But we feel strongly that sneaking fee increases into an appropriations bill without input from BCI, concealed carry instructors, or gun rights advocates, and without public comment, is highly inappropriate. This is especially true since no one has had the chance to study the auditor's report carefully. Please contact members of the Joint Executive Offices, Criminal Justice and Legislative Appropriations committee. We recommend doing this by phone over the weekend, while legislators are home. Let them know that 250% fee increases are unacceptable and that you would like them to reconsider, and to allow for input from gun rights organizations as well as the Bureau of Criminal Identification. Also tell them that you would like to attend this meeting and ask them to schedule it in advance so you can arrange to be there. We are only asking that the committee be fair and give us the opportunity to present our views, and that it be responsible and justify any proposed fee increases. Committee members (Buttars and Tyler, Chairs) Sen. D. Chris Buttars, 801-561-0535, dbuttars@le.state.ut.us Rep. A. Lamont Tyler, 801-272-1218, atyler@le.state.ut.us Rep. Ron Bigelow, 801-968-4188, rbigelow@le.state.ut.us Rep. Gary F. Cox, 801-967-9760, gcox@le.state.ut.us Rep. Scott Daniels, 801-582-8080, sdaniels@le.state.ut.us Sen. Peter C. Knudson, 435-723-2035, pknudson@le.state.ut.us Rep. Paul Ray, 801-774-0624, pray@le.state.ut.us Sen. Pete Suazo, 801-521-3751, psuazo@le.state.ut.us Rep. Mike Thompson, 801-226-5032, mthompson@le.state.ut.us Remember to call at a reasonable hour, be polite, and always leave a clear message if the legislator isn't there. Make sure you leave your name and phone number, and ask him to call you back. Remember to include guidelines, such as "He can call anytime until midnight". *************Clip and Send**************** Honorable members of the Joint Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee, I am writing to ask you to reconsider the Concealed Carry permit and instructor renewal fee increases in the Criminal Justice budget, and to oppose this budget until the fee increases are removed. Fee increases of 250% are outrageous! It's hard to imagine how this could ever be justified. Such huge increases should never be enacted without careful consideration, analysis and opportunities for public comment. The Legislative Auditor's report on concealed carry has barely been out a week. No one has had time to review it carefully or to check the Auditor's data and analysis. Neither the Bureau of Criminal Identification nor the public has had the opportunity to be involved in this process. Why are you rushing to enact such an ill-considered plan? Finally, I am extremely disappointed that my elected officials would try to sneak such huge fee increases past me by burying them in an appropriations bill. I would appreciate it if the Committee would reconsider these fee increases, and delay a decision until the issue can be studied fully. At the very least, hold a public hearing so that BCI, gun rights advocates, concealed carry instructors, and ordinary citizens can participate in this decision. Please respond and let me know what you plan to do. Thank you. YOUR NAME YOUR ADDRESS ************************************************ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT! CCW fee hearing TODAY! Date: 12 Feb 2001 10:32:30 -0700 PLEASE READ AND MAKE A CALL NOW. We are very close to killing the ccw fee increases that have been sneaked into the appropriations bill. We have legislators committed to making and supporting a motion that will kill this sneaky increase and allow us all the chance to study it and do it right in the future. One legislator we need who is still holding out is Rep. Bigelow. His contact info this morning is in the following message and he may also be called at 801-538-1029 today. Please call him. Remember to be polite. You can also be very brief, leaving a simple message to "Please support Rep. Thompson's motion to reconsider concealed weapons fee increases. Thank you." If you are delegate, precinct officer, or just registered voter in Rep. Bigelow's district, please mention that as well. Thank you. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control --------- Forwarded message ---------- CCW fee hearing today! Last week, Rep. Gary Cox proposed that permit renewal fees and instructor renewal fees be raised from $10 to $35, an increase of 250%. The Criminal Justice Appropriations committee approved these fees last week, although many committee members say that the schedule was very busy and they had no idea what they were voting for. In response to your calls and emails, several legislators have agreed to support a motion that these fee increases by reconsidered. Rep. Mike Thompson will be making the motion today. What you must do - NOW! Call the following legislators and ask them to support Rep. Thompson's motion to reconsider the fee increases. The problems with the fee increases are: 1. 250% increases are unreasonable and should never be done without public comment. 2. The Legislative Audit does not justify such huge increases. 3. The Legislative Audit said that funds for BCI should come from the General Fund AND fee increases, not just fee increases. 4. No one has had time to study the Legislative Audit carefully and the raw data has not even been released so we can verify its accuracy. 5. While BCI did request fee increases, they were not involved in this process, and learned of this proposal only after it was passed. 6. Gun rights organizations and concealed carry instructors were not invited to participate in the review process. 7. Rep. Cox bypassed the usual legislative review process to sneak this into an appropriations bill after it was defeated by standing committees several years in a row. 8. Many legislators were apparently unaware that they were voting in fee increases. Please CALL the following legislators at the Capitol NOW. Senators can be reached at 801-538-1035. Representatives can be reached at 801-538-1029. Sen. D. Chris Buttars, dbuttars@le.state.ut.us Rep. Ron Bigelow, rbigelow@le.state.ut.us Sen. Peter C. Knudson, pknudson@le.state.ut.us Rep. Paul Ray, pray@le.state.ut.us Rep. Mike Thompson, mthompson@le.state.ut.us Your message (email or phone) can be short and sweet: "Please support Rep. Thompson's motion to reconsider concealed carry fee increases. Thank you." If possible, please plan to attend this meeting! 2 PM, Room 405. The room will be packed with law enforcement personnel, and we need some pro-gun folks to show how important this is to us. Thanks! Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson PO Box 1185 Sandy, UT 84091 801-566-1625 http://www.utgoa.org Director@utgoa.org PLEASE SUPPORT UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE! JOIN US TODAY! Did someone forward this to you? Please SUBSCRIBE NOW! That way you'll receive our FREE alerts as soon as they're released. During the legislative session, we send urgent, time limited alerts. Don't risk missing important information because someone else neglected to forward important information. Our alerts are low volume and average less than one alert per day. To subscribe to the UTGOA list, send a blank email to utgoa-subscribe@egroups.com or use the form on our web site, http://www.utgoa.org. For more information, see http://www.egroups.com/group/UTGOA. UTGOA is written and distributed by, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. www.utgoa.org, and Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed. Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no changes are made, UTGOA is clearly credited, and this message is left intact. Archives of the UTGOA alerts can be found at: http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. is a Utah non-profit corporation. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: UTGOA-unsubscribe@egroups.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Legislative Update Date: 12 Feb 2001 18:09:29 -0700 Good news. The Huge CCW fee increase that Rep. Gary Cox sneaked into the appropriations bill after failing to pass that increase (and other measures intended to increase the cost and difficulty of getting and keeping a CCW permit) the last couple of years using stand alone bills was removed from that appropriation bill. Watch for it to be introduced later in the session using one of the remaining "boxcar" bills. Thank you to all of you who took the time to make phone calls to committee members. They may not seem receptive to your call, but when they get enough calls, they do vote properly, even if they aren't really happy about it. Time to support a good bill. Rep. Mike Thompson's HB 264 - Gun Safety Law Amendments which would require that basic ("Eddie Eagle" type) gun safety instruction be given to grade school children and historical / legal instructions on guns be given to high school seniors as well as providing optional (with parental consent) hands-on firearms training for seniors is scheduled to be heard in the House Education Committee tomorrow, Tuesday February 13th, at 4:00 pm in room 129 at the capital. This is a good and an important bill. Schools are already allowed to provide basic safety training, but--surprise, surprise--very few do. While railroad (TRAX) tracks, power lines, and crime (don't accept rides from strangers) safety all merit some time and effort by our schools, it seems that some modest and basic instructions on avoiding injuries should a gun be found is just too much trouble for them. This bill faces an uphill battle. Liberals--in both parties--are not going to support it simply because it deals with guns without demonizing them or putting anyone in jail. Conservatives are hesitant to support it (they say) because it imposes another mandate on local school districts. Legislators of all stripes need to hear from us. This is not about guns or mandates. It is about the safety of children. If possible, please attend the hearing tomorrow, Wednesday, at 4:00 pm, room 129. This evening, please take a few minutes and call members of the House Education Committee. Let them know you want them to support HB 264 "for the sake of the children." :) Remember to be polite, but firm and clear. If you are a constituent of any committee members, please call that member first, letting them know you are a constituent. Then (or if none of them are your rep) please call other members. I've not bothered to paste in home address so regardless of your area code or that of the legislator, any of these could be long distance for you and require 1+area code+number. Try it without the one first, then add the 1 if you need it. Email is better than nothing, but not nearly as good as a personal call. Do both if possible. Or, at least call a couple and email the rest. I suggest the use of the blind carbon copy (bcc) field when emailing more than one and using a generic greeting like "Honorable Representative". Be sure to include your name and phone number and/or postal address in your email. Cut and paste email addresses and email body (if you'd like to use it) follow the committee members. Committee members are: Rep. Margaret Dayton (R) , Chair mdayton@le.state.ut.us 801-221-0623 Rep. Loraine T. Pace (R) , Vice Chair lpace@le.state.ut.us 435-753-6154 Rep. Jeff Alexander (R) jeffa@alexanders.com, 801-375-1092 jalexand@le.state.ut.us Rep. Duane E. Bourdeaux (D) dbourdea@le.state.ut.us 801-596-8784 Rep. Judy Ann Buffmire (D) jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us 801-266-1862 Rep. James A. Ferrin (R) jferrin@le.state.ut.us 801-224-6823 Rep. James R. Gowans (D) jgowans@le.state.ut.us 435-882-2120 Rep. David L. Hogue (R) dhogue@le.state.ut.us 801-254-1668 Rep. Bradley T. Johnson (R) bjohnson@le.state.ut.us 435-529-3227 Rep. Merlynn T. Newbold (R) mnewbold@le.state.ut.us 801-254-0142 Rep. LaWanna Shurtliff (D) lshurtli@le.state.ut.us 801-391-7387 Rep. Matt Throckmorton (R) mthrockmor@aol.com 801-489-8342 mthrockm@le.state.ut.us Rep. A. Lamont Tyler (R) atyler@le.state.ut.us, 801-272-1218 lamont.tyler@m.cc.utah.edu ==========cut and paste addresses=========== mdayton@le.state.ut.us; lpace@le.state.ut.us; jeffa@alexanders.com; jalexand@le.state.ut.us; dbourdea@le.state.ut.us; jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us; jferrin@le.state.ut.us; jgowans@le.state.ut.us; dhogue@le.state.ut.us; bjohnson@le.state.ut.us; mnewbold@le.state.ut.us; lshurtli@le.state.ut.us; mthrockmor@aol.com; mthrockm@le.state.ut.us; atyler@le.state.ut.us; lamont.tyler@m.cc.utah.edu =============end cut and paste addresses============ =============cut and paste letter==================== Dear Honorable Representative, Please support HB 264 -- Gun Safety Law Amendments and pass it out of the House Education Committee favorably. This bill will require that public grade schools provide a very basic course of safety instruction in the event a child or his/her playmate should find a gun. The children will be taught to "Don't touch, leave the area, and tell an adult." They will also be taught how to teach this information to others. High Schools would be required to provide basic instruction regarding historical and legal issues regarding firearm ownership to seniors. Those seniors would also have the option, with parental consent, to receive basic hands-on use of a firearm under the strict supervision of a police officer or other qualified instructor. Regardless of your position on private firearms ownership or legislative mandates to schools, the fact remains that most homes in Utah have a gun and almost no local districts have chosen to offer this essential education even though they are currently free and encouraged to do so. Some children will happen upon a gun at some point in their lives and there is simply no reason for any child to be injured--or to accidently injure someone else--because they are ignorant concerning basic gun safety. Children are currently being MIS-educated concerning the dangers of guns via video games, movies, television, and other media. It is our duty to make sure children are properly educated in this area so they can avoid injuries. This is no different than the safety training currently and routinely given about railroad (or TRAX) tracks, water ditches, power lines, etc. This program would utilize community volunteers and present almost no cost to local school districts. Please let me know whether you plan to support this common sense bill to prevent childhood accidents with firearms. Sincerely, Your name Your phone number Your address ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Town meeting planned for HD 50 Date: 13 Feb 2001 22:48:14 -0700 Rep. Merlynn Newbold, HD 50, has scheduled a town meeting. If you live in her district (or even if you don't but are concerned about / interested in the issues that come before the committees on which she sits--like the education committee that will vote on Tuition Tax Credits) please plan to attend. It is scheduled for Saturday, February 24th at 4:00 pm in the South Jordan pubic library. That is very late in the session, so if you want to give her input on bills she is likely to see before then, contact her directly. However, it is soon enough to give her some good guidance on what we expect and hope for in the final hours of the session when a lot of bad stuff can slip through. It would be great if she heard from several of us that we'd like her to do two things: 1--Vote against any bill she hasn't personnaly read in its final form. 2--From the floor object when unanamous consent is requested to waive reading of said bills before a vote is taken. Please plan to attend. I'll update if I hear of any changes. ---------------- Charles Hardy ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Gun safety bill held in committee Date: 13 Feb 2001 23:26:34 -0700 It looks like Rep. Thompson's HB 264 that would require grade schools to teach basic gun safety met all the expected opposition and then some. Several amendments were proposed and it looked like the opposition had plenty of votes to kill the bill outright. Somewhat surprisingly, it was Rep. Duane Bourdoux who saved us by moving to hold the bill. This gives Rep. Thompson some time to make a few minor technical changes to blunt the critisism of the educational establishment. The bill should be heard again in the near future. If you haven't yet contacted the house education committee members on this bill now is the time to do so. If you have, now is the time to contact them, ask them where they stand on the bill after hearing it, and let them know you expect them to support it. Education committee member contact info listed below. Support for and oppossition to this bill really does cross party lines and the usual conservative/liberal labels so don't hesitate to contact those you think would normally be opposed to gun issues or neglect contacting those you would normally think are very supportive of gun issues. Remember, this isn't about guns. It is about childhood safety. We in the RKBA community are frequently criticized (unjstly) as not caring about the safety of children when we oppose mandatory trigger locks and such. NOW is the time to make it clear we fully support the safety of children. Rememeber, "You can't childproof every gun. But you can 'gun-proof' every child with just a little education." House Education Committee members: Alexander, jalexand@le.state.ut.us, 801-375-1092 Bourdeaux, dbourdea@le.state.ut.us, 801-596-8784 Buffmire, jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us, 801-266-1862 Dayton, mdayton@le.state.ut.us, 801-221-0623 Ferrin, jferrin@le.state.ut.us, 801-224-6823 Gowans, jgowans@le.state.ut.us, 435-882-2120 Hogue, dhogue@le.state.ut.us, 801-254-1668 Johnson, bjohnson@le.state.ut.us, 435-529-3227 Newbold, mnewbold@le.state.ut.us, 801-254-0142 Pace, lpace@le.state.ut.us, 435-753-6154 Shurtliff, lshurtli@le.state.ut.us, 801-479-0289 Throckmorton, mthrockm@le.state.ut.us, 801-489-8342 Tyler, atyler@le.state.ut.us, 801-272-1218 REMEMBER! Be polite, be firm. Do not engage in threats and name-calling. DO let legislators know that this is very important to you and will likely affect your future support for them. Cut and past email addresses: mdayton@le.state.ut.us; lpace@le.state.ut.us; jeffa@alexanders.com; jalexand@le.state.ut.us; dbourdea@le.state.ut.us; jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us; jferrin@le.state.ut.us; jgowans@le.state.ut.us; dhogue@le.state.ut.us; bjohnson@le.state.ut.us; mnewbold@le.state.ut.us; lshurtli@le.state.ut.us; mthrockmor@aol.com; mthrockm@le.state.ut.us; atyler@le.state.ut.us; lamont.tyler@m.cc.utah.edu ========Cut and paste email body if you'd like to use it============== Honorable members of the House Education Committee: I am writing to ask you to support HB 264, Gun Safety Law Amendments This bill is not about "guns in schools", or pushing a pro-gun (or anti-gun) agenda. It is not a partisan issue. It is not even about legislative mandates to schools. It's about protecting our children, something we all agree is important. The truth is that even though current law allows the teaching of gun safety and even though numerous individuals and organizations have offered to provide materials and qualified instructors, most Utah Public schools refuse to teach gun safety - even though it's really no different than holding fire drills, teaching safety around power lines or railroad tracks, or teaching water safety. The goal is to keep children safe should they encounter a firearm. I wish schools would teach this lifesaving information on a voluntary basis, but they don't. Many parents don't know basic firearms safety, and aren't able to their children. And too often, these parents trust mechanical solutions like trigger locks (which have a very high incidence of failure and cannot be counted on to be in place when a criminal discards a gun near a playground), instead of providing their children with survival skills. Please SUPPORT HB 264, Gun Safety Law Amendments. If it saves only one child, won't it be worth it? I consider this a high priority bill, and will be interested to see how you vote. Thank you for your attention. YOUR NAME YOUR ADDRESS ==========end email body==================================== ---------------- Charles Hardy ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: SAF: Responses Refuting Bellesiles Claims Date: 14 Feb 2001 09:12:14 -0700 ---------------- Charles Hardy --------- Forwarded message ---------- SAF: Responses Refuting Bellesiles Claims SAF has put together a good web page of responses countering Bellesile's claims that guns were rarely owned or used in pre-civil war America. http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/general/GunsInEarlyAmerica.htm Included are links to critical responses by Cramer, Malcom, Halbrook, Lindgren and Lee, Stromberg, Suprynowicz, NRA, About.com, and even the Washington Post. It also has some quotes from founders such as: "If this now flourishing City, and greatly improving Colony, is destroy'd and ruin'd, it will not be for want of Numbers of Inhabitants able to bear Arms in its defence. 'Tis computed that we have at least (exclusive of Quakers) 60,000 Fighting Men, acquainted with Fire-Arms, many of them Hunters and Marksmen, hardy and bold." Benjamin Franklin (1747), B.F. Papers, vol. III, p.202 "I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy." Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778. More at the site. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Bill of Rights, Gun Safety, More bills to watch Date: 14 Feb 2001 09:03:20 -0700 The latest for UTGOA including more info on the gun safety bill. ---------------- Charles Hardy --------- Forwarded message ---------- Bill of Rights Day Gun Safety Education Important changes: HB 266 and HB 95 Constitutional Convention School Surveys CCW Reciprocity BILL OF RIGHTS DAY - HB 133, HJR 10 - Philpot Good news! The two Bill of Rights Day Bills, HB 133 and HJR 10 passed the House unanimously today! HB 133 was amended to also create Constitution Day on Sept. 17, an amendment we support. Utah Gun Owners Alliance would like to thank Rep. Philpot and the members of the House for their support of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. These bills will now go to the Senate. Please let YOUR Senator know that you would like him/her to support HB 133 and HJR 10. GUN SAFETY EDUCATION - HB 264 - Thompson HB 264, Gun Safety Law Amendments was debated by the House Education Committee today. The bill met with a lot of resistance. It was amended to make the secondary school safety education optional. (The amendment is not yet available.) There was a lot of opposition to "mandating" safety education. However, there are already provisions for voluntary safety education in place - and they're generally ignored. UTGOA doesn't understand the objection to teaching something that will save children's lives - especially when we mandate so many other programs that are far less important. Isn't it worth spending an hour or two to keep our children safe? The committee voted to hold the bill to give Rep. Thompson a chance to revise the bill to deal with some of the objections. Please contact members of the House Education committee (see previous alert for their names) and encourage them to support HB 264. If they voice objections to the bill, ask them to tell you specifically what they think needs to be done so that they will support the bill. And please let UTGOA know what responses you get. Thanks to those of you who took the time to attend the hearing. CHANGES Utah Gun Owners Alliance has changed its position on the following bills, due the changes in the bill language. HB 266 - RESTORATION OF RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS - THROCKMORTON UTGOA position: OPPOSE HB 266 apparently intends to make it possible for those who have been committed to a psychiatric institution to petition to regain their gun rights. However, as written, the bill would do nothing, since it depends on the federal government to fund such petitions at the federal level. In addition, the bill has been amended to provide that a person must not be receiving treatment or taking any medication in order to regain his rights. UTGOA is not quite sure why someone who recognizes that he has an illness and cooperates with treatment should be punished for being responsible. We're not sure why someone should be forced to choose between the right to self-defense and necessary medical treatment. People who are under psychiatric care and are taking medications are currently permitted to work as teachers, doctors, lawyers, social workers, and legislators. Why should they be forbidden to own guns? UTGOA believes that anyone who is too dangerous to own a gun should not be permitted to serve in ANY position of public trust. If a person can prove he's not a danger to others, what difference does it make what medications he takes? And if he can't prove he's not a danger to others, whether or not he takes medications is irrelevant. This bill will not help restore gun rights, and it will open the door to barring anyone who's ever received mental health treatment from owning a gun. HB 266 has passed the House and is now in the Senate. Please ask YOUR Senator to OPPOSE HB 266, 1st substitute. HB 95 - REGULATIONS OF PAWN SHOPS - MURRAY This bill has been substituted and we are currently reviewing it to see if it addresses our objections. MORE BILLS TO WATCH! HJR 15: RESOLUTION RESCINDING THE CALL FOR CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION - FIFE UTGOA position: SUPPORT HJR 15 "urges the repealing, rescinding and superseding of all applications to Congress for a constitutional convention". It also urges other states to do the same. The Utah legislature has previously voted to support a constitutional convention. Such a convention would make it possible to rewrite the Constitution completely and would pose a serious threat to our entire system of government. We would also almost certainly see attempts to remove the Second Amendment. Our existing procedures for amending the Constitution have worked well for over 200 years. Rewriting the entire document is neither necessary nor advisable. HJR 15 will be heard by the House Political Subdivisions Committee on Thursday, Feb. 15, at 8 AM, Room 223. Please let committee members know that you would like them to SUPPORT HJR 15. Committee members: Rep. David L. Hogue, Chair Rep. David N. Cox, Vice Chair Rep. Sheryl L. Allen Rep. Ralph Becker Rep. Stephen D. Clark Rep. Fred J. Fife Rep. Joseph G. Murray Rep. Darin G. Peterson Rep. LaWanna "Lou" Shurtliff Rep. David Ure Rep. Max W. Young Contact info is at: http://www.utgoa.org/resources/legcontact01.html HB 355: PUBLIC SCHOOLS SURVEYS AMENDMENTS - KING UTGOA position: OPPOSE HB 355 will allow government schools to question children about "matters related to youth violence, or to the use of alcohol, drugs or tobacco" without parental consent. In other words, they will be able to ask your children if you have guns at home, if they're loaded, how they're stored, etc. - without your permission. The school would have to send a letter to let you know they plan to do a survey and if you want to see it, you'll have to go to the school. If the letter gets lost, or if you're a non-custodial parent, you're out of luck. Earlier today we heard over and over again that no student should be "forced" to learn gun safety, and that it should require a note from parents to participate. If teaching life-saving skills requires parental permission, shouldn't the same hold true for participation in intrusive surveys? We were also told that teachers are so terribly overworked that they can't possibly find time to include one hour of gun safety education without seriously affecting our children's academic progress. If there's not even an hour to save kids' lives, how is there time to administer surveys that have no direct benefit to children at all? Except in the case of child abuse, there is no excuse for questioning children without parental consent. And precious school time should be devoted to education, not surveys. HB 355 is currently in House Rules - where we hope it stays! Please let your Representative know that you would like him/her to support parental rights and OPPOSE HB 355. HB 376: CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT HOLDERS - RECIPROCITY is now available online at http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2001/htmdoc/hbillhtm/HB0376.htm. HB 376 will require that Utah honor carry permits from any state or county. It will also require that BCI actively request that other states recognize Utah permits. UTGOA enthusiastically supports this bill. It has not yet been assigned to a committee; we'll let you know as soon as we do. Please thank Rep. Donnelson for sponsoring HB 376 (gdonnelson@le.state.ut.us) and let YOUR legislators know you expect them to vote YES. Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson PO Box 1185 Sandy, UT 84091 801-566-1625 http://www.utgoa.org Director@utgoa.org PLEASE SUPPORT UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE! JOIN US TODAY! Did someone forward this to you? Please SUBSCRIBE NOW! That way you'll receive our FREE alerts as soon as they're released. During the legislative session, we send urgent, time limited alerts. Don't risk missing important information because someone else neglected to forward important information. Our alerts are low volume and average less than one alert per day. To subscribe to the UTGOA list, send a blank email to utgoa-subscribe@egroups.com or use the form on our web site, http://www.utgoa.org. For more information, see http://www.egroups.com/group/UTGOA. 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Bergeson" Subject: Father Murphy and the Million Mom March Date: 14 Feb 2001 11:04:15 -0700 Father Murphy and the Million Mom March ---------- by David Dieteman Today's gun control advocates should listen to "Boulavogue," an Irish folk song about a priest who convinced his parishioners to surrender their arms to the English, then led them in rebellion with a few remaining weapons when he realized his mistake. (02/14/01) http://www.lewrockwell.com/dieteman/dieteman19.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: HJR 15 (pro U.S. Constitution) cmtee hearing Thurs 2-15-01 8am rm 223 Date: 14 Feb 2001 15:36:29 -0700 Of importance to anyone who values any or all of our bill of rights. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control Dear friend, As many of you know, a Constitutional Convention, also known as a ConCon, (vrs. a Constitutional Amendment) would have the power to re-write the entire U.S. Constitution. There has never been an Article V Constitutional Convention since our current U.S. Constitution was ratified. Sadly, Utah is one of several states with a standing call for a ConCon. Realizing the threat to the U.S. Constitution that a ConCon poses, several states have recently repealed their calls for a ConCon. HJR 15 would repeal all of Utah's calls for a ConCon. HJR 15 will put Utah on the books as being pro-Constitution instead of being on the books as anti-Constitution (calling for a convention implies we need a new Constitution). Please attend the House Standing Committee hearing on HJR 15 tomorrow (Thursday, February 15, 2001) at 8:00 am, in RM 223 (in the State Capitol Building), if at all possible, in support of HJR 15. I have included a flyer below with some key points about why HJR 15 should be approved and Utah's calls for a ConCon repealed. Thanks! --Carlton CITIZEN ALERT Dear Citizen of Utah, please ask your Legislators to rescind (invalidate) all calls for a Constitutional Convention, which still remain on their books. Article V of our Constitution allows amendments to be made two ways. The only method which has been used since 1787 requires a "yes" vote from two thirds of both the House and the Senate, plus ratification (approval) by three quarters of the states. This procedure is reasonably safe. The other way, a Constitutional Convention (sometimes called an Article V convention or a Con Con) is dangerous. Recently, several State Legislatures, hoping to bye-pass Congress and to push through a single-issue amendment, such as a Balanced Budget Amendment, have applied to Congress for a convention. It is an erroneous belief that state Legislatures can control the convention and limit it to a single issue of their choosing. Let’s look at why a Constitutional Convention can be very dangerous. Although, the states may have asked for it, they have absolutely no control over it. Article V gives the states no power to: -Decide which topics will be considered, or limit it to a one-issue convention. -Choose who the delegates to the convention will be, or how they will be chosen. -Write the desired amendment(s). -Object, or withdraw, if the convention does not do what they intended it to do. Congress is given a blank check in choosing: -Where the convention will be held. -How many delegates the states may have, and how they will be chosen. (Note: There is no constitutional guarantee that every state will have at least one delegate.) Now – The most dangerous part Once the delegates are chosen, only the Convention is empowered by Article V to determine the number and content of the proposed amendments. The Convention is not bound by any limitations from the States, Congress or the people. Chief Justice Burger said, "No one tells a Con Con what to do.. Its powers are unlimited." Once the Convention is called, there is no way to stop wholesale changes to our constitution or Bill of Rights. The delegates may use their power to re-write the rules, the Constitution, or the means of ratifying their proposals. Chief Justice Burger further stated, "After a Convention is convened, it will be too late to stop the Convention if we don’t like its agenda…..A new Convention could plunge our Nation into constitutional confusion and confrontation at every turn… and I am glad to see states rescinding their previous resolutions requesting a Convention". All applications to Congress for a Con Con remain active on their books, regardless of subject matter. If 34 states apply for a convention, for any reason, Congress must call it. 32 states have already applied. The good news is that recently four states (Idaho is one) have rescinded all their applications. It is time for Utah to do the same. Please call your elected state representatives and ask them to sponsor or co-sponsor a bill to rescind Utah’s calls for a Con Con. State Rep:_____________________________________________________________________ _ State Senate:__________________________________________________________________ __ For more info & documents call: Kay Garske 801-466-2248 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Resistance to Gun Safety Bill Date: 15 Feb 2001 11:21:08 -0700 The following is an excerpt of Rep. L. Pace's response to my inquiry regarding her position on HB 264, gun safety education. Please try to contact Rep. Pace and encourage her to support this important bill. Please do not include her original response to me in any email you send, but please do contact her. Please be polite but firm, and if you are a constituent, let her know you consider this bill critical to how you cast your votes in the future. Loraine T. Pace District 4 Party (R) Mailing Address: 435 East 900 North Logan, Utah 84321 Phone: (home) 435-753-6154 (fax) 435-753-5013 Email: ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control Although the issue is of great importance, it is difficult to mandate one more thing for the teachers to fit into their schedules to have taught. There are good pamphlets generated that could be made available to parents to take care of that teaching in the home. After school or weekend workshops would also be an alternative. Rep. Pace ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Bergeson" Subject: URLs Date: 15 Feb 2001 11:49:56 -0700 Some of these are reluctant to load today. Soccer moms vs. soccer moms in battle over guns ---------- In Michigan, authoritarian soccer moms opposed to the right to bear arms are being fought to a stand-still by the only opponents with the clout to take them on -- other soccer moms. Pro-freedom women threatened to boycott a soccer league if the "Million Moms" didn't stop using it as a platform for their anti-gun agenda. (02/15/01) http://www.freep.com/news/metro/moms14_20010214.htm Do gun laws cause Maryland's sky-high crime? ---------- The Maryland Citizens Defense League, a gun rights group, charges that Maryland's number one nationwide ranking for armed robberies is a result of restrictive gun laws that "promote victim disarmament." (02/15/01) http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21722 Zero tolerance or hidden agenda? ---------- by Dean L. Kalahar Schools across America have jumped on the "zero tolerance" bandwagon in a knee-jerk reaction to the tragedy at Columbine ... and as a weapon for special interest groups to advance their political cause. (02/14/01) http://www.educationnews.org/inside_the_classroom.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: FW: Special Event Notice Date: 16 Feb 2001 22:31:56 -0700 One last, quick reminder about Eddie Eagle at the Safe Kids Expo tomorrow, Saturday. ---------------- Charles Hardy --------- Forwarded message ---------- SAFE KIDS EXPO Please bring your children to the Safe Kids Expo on Saturday, Feb. 17 at the new South Towne Exposition Center at 9575 So. State St., Sandy, Utah 84070. The Safe Kids Expo runs from 10-5. Special guest star is Eddie Eagle, and Eddie Eagle gun safety coloring books and other info will be available. There will be info on a wide variety of safety issues, not just gun safety. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: ALERT: Two important pro-gun hearings to attend Date: 16 Feb 2001 23:35:29 -0700 HB 376 -- Concealed Weapon Permit Holders - Reciprocity hearing HB 345 -- Carrying a Firearm ("Vermont Carry") House Judiciary Committee Contact Info There are two very important hearings on pro-gun bills that we need to attend this coming week. Please get this information to any pro-gun individuals you know whether or not they are using email. HB 376 -- Concealed Weapon Permit Holders - Reciprocity hearing This Monday, February 19 (Presidents' Day), the House Judiciary Committee will be hearing Rep. G. Donnelson's HB 376 -- Concealed Weapon Permit Holders - Reciprocity bill in Room 223 at 4:00 pm. This bill would do two things. First, it would require the DPS to make formal, annual requests of all States that issue concealed permits but do not currently recognize Utah's permits to recognize our permits. This could well lead to an increase in the number of States that would accept a Utah CCW permit as valid. Second, the bill would recognize the CCW permits of ALL other States that issue them as well as allowing residents of any States that do not require a permit to carry concealed to do so here without a permit. (At this time, this only applies to residents of Vermont.) This would send a strong message to potential tourists that Utah welcomes them and their CCW weapons thus making our streets safer and increasing our tourist revenue. :) Room 223 is a small room. Please arrive early to get a seat or even guarantee that you can get into the room. It would be great if the gun-phobes had no seats at all when they arrived. Again: This Monday, February 19 at 4:00 pm. Capital Room 223. Whether you can attend or not, please contact Committee members over the weekend. Contact info, "cut and paste email addresses," and a sample email that you are free to use if you'd like are at bottom of this email. If you use the cut and paste email addresses to send a single email to all committee members, please use the blind carbon copy (bcc) field rather than the "to" or "cc" address fields. In such cases, I reccomend you put your own email address in the "To" field and use a generic salutory such as "Dear Honorable Representative:". Please be polite but firm in letting these representatives know this is a critical bill and will effect your future voting. Despite what some legislators like to claim, politely letting them know this information is NOT a threat and should they suggest otherwise politely disagree and let them know this bill is important to you. HB 345 -- Carrying a Firearm ("Vermont Carry") Rep. Mike Thompson's HB 345 -- Carrying a Firearm (aka "Vermont Carry") will likely be heard in committee sometime Wednesday, February 21. Exact committee, time and room will follow as soon as we know it. Please do everything in your power to attend this hearing whenever it takes place. House Judiciary Committee Contact Info Rep. Glenn L. Way, Chair Mailing Address: 348 South 1480 East, Spanish Fork, Utah 84660 Phone: (home) 801-798-2295 gway@le.state.ut.us Rep. James A. Ferrin, Vice Chair Mailing Address: 1373 South 740 East, Orem, Utah 84097 Phone: (home) 801-224-6823 (office) 801-224-9867 jferrin@le.state.ut.us Rep. Patrice M. Arent Mailing Address: 6281 South Havenbrook Circle Salt Lake City, Utah 84121 Phone: (home) 801-272-1956 (office) 801-538-1650 (fax) 801-538-9505 parent@le.state.ut.us Rep. Chad E. Bennion Mailing Address: 5778 Sagewood Dr, Murray, Utah 84107 Phone: (home) 801-281-1607 (office) 801-468-2876 (fax) 801-288-2144 cbennion@le.state.ut.us Rep. Ron Bigelow Mailing Address: 4658 Water Wood Drive West Valley City, Utah 84120 Phone: (home) 801-968-4188 rbigelow@le.state.ut.us Rep. Katherine M. Bryson Mailing Address: 833 South 300 West, Orem, Utah 84058 Phone: (home) 801-226-2061 kbryson@le.state.ut.us Rep. Gary F. Cox Mailing Address: 4468 Tidwell Street Kearns, Utah 84118-5233 Phone: (home) 801-967-9760 (office) 801-569-5216 garyc@wjordan.com Rep. Greg J. Curtis Mailing Address: P.O. Box 2084, Sandy, Utah 84091 Phone: (home) 801-943-3091 (office) 801-942-7464 gcurtis@le.state.ut.us Rep. Scott Daniels Mailing Address: 1171 Laird Avenue w Salt Lake City, Utah 84105 Phone: (home) 801-582-8080 (office) 801-583-0801 (fax) 801-583-0802 sdaniels@le.state.ut.us Rep. Ben C. Ferry Mailing Address: 905 North 6800 West Corinne, Utah 84037 Phone: (home & office) 435-744-2997 (fax) 435-744-2999 bferry@le.state.ut.us Rep. Neal B. Hendrickson Mailing Address: 3402 West 4100 South West Valley City, Utah 84119 Phone: (home) 801-969-8920 nhendric@le.state.ut.us Rep. Mike Thompson Mailing Address: 1010 West 1420 North, Orem, Utah 84057 Phone: (home) 801-226-5032 (office) 801-223-9044 mthompson@le.state.ut.us Rep. A. Lamont Tyler Mailing Address: 3810 Eastwood Lane Salt Lake City, Utah 84109 Phone: (home) 801-272-1218 (office) 801-581-6920 (fax) 801-585-9291 lamont.tyler@m.cc.utah.edu ========cut and paste email addresses============= gway@le.state.ut.us ; jferrin@le.state.ut.us ; parent@le.state.ut.us ; cbennion@le.state.ut.us ; rbigelow@le.state.ut.us ; kbryson@le.state.ut.us ; garyc@wjordan.com ; gcurtis@le.state.ut.us ; sdaniels@le.state.ut.us ; bferry@le.state.ut.us ; nhendric@le.state.ut.us ; mthompson@le.state.ut.us ; lamont.tyler@m.cc.utah.edu ====================================== ==========sample email=================== Reciprocity" Dear Honorable Representative: I'm writing to ask you to please support HB 376 -- "Concealed Weapon Permit Holders - Reciprocity" that will be heard before the House Judiciary Committee this Monday, February 19 and send it to the full House favorably. This bill would require the Dept. of Public Safety to make annual inquires of other States seeking to gain their approval of Utah's Concealed Weapon permits. This would allow those Utahns who have concealed weapons permits to travel with their legal weapons for protection in those States. Under this bill, Utah would also recognize the concealed permits of all States that currently issue them, setting out the welcome mat to law abiding residents of those States. This bill is plain common sense. State issued licenses to drive are valid across State lines. Law abiding residents of one State do not become any less law abiding simply because they cross State lines. Neither do reasons and needs to carry a concealed weapon disappear simply by crossing State lines. There is no good reason that State issued permits to carry concealed weapons are not valid in other States. This bill is very important to me. Please let me know whether you plan to support this bill and if not, what your objections are. Sincerely your name your address (optionally, your phone number) =================================== ---------------- Charles Hardy ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] REMINDER! CONCEALED CARRY BILL MONDAY! Date: 18 Feb 2001 22:02:36 -0700 Please do everything possible to attend these hearings. ---------------- Charles Hardy --------- Forwarded message ---------- An important reminder! HB 376 - Concealed Carry Recognition will be heard MONDAY Feb. 19 at 4 PM in Room 223. It is VERY important that you plan to attend! We expect a very close vote, so your presence, phone calls and email are critical. 1. Please plan to attend the committee hearing. The bill is first on the agenda, so try to arrive no later than 3:45. 2. Dress appropriately. Many legislators mistakenly believe that all gun owners are drunks, wife-beaters, neo-Nazis, lunatics, terrorists, or wanna-be criminals. Whether this is a result of ignorance or bigotry, it's wrong. But it's also a fact of life. If you want legislators to believe that you're the responsible, hard-working, law-abiding person you really are, you're going to have to SHOW them. This means being dressed and groomed appropriately. Dress as you would to go to church or a job interview. If you don't, you are hurting the cause of gun rights and helping to perpetuate bigotry against your fellow gun owners. 3. If you wish to speak, plan your testimony in advance, and try to have it written out. Most people get nervous and tongue-tied, especially when there's a large crowd and TV cameras, and it helps if you have your comments prepared. You should plan on 1-2 minutes maximum. Also plan to stick to the topic. The topic is "why this bill is good public policy". The reasons HB 376 is good public policy are: a. It is fair. People have just as much right to self-defense in Utah as they do in their home state. b. It will save lives. When ordinary citizens carry concealed firearms, crime goes down. This protects both Utahns and non-residents. c. By accepting other states' permits, more states will accept Utah permits. This will benefit Utahns who travel to other states. d. It will save money, by decreasing BCI's workload. It will also save money by decreasing crime and its associated costs. e. Just as Utah accepts drivers licenses and marriage licenses from other states, we should accept carry permits. Legislators are very practical people. For the most part, they will support or oppose a bill based on its immediate, practical impact: "Will it save money, lower taxes, save lives, or make my constituents happy? Will my constituents be angry enough to vote against me if I vote against it?" They are generally less concerned (or unconcerned) with Constitutional law and philosophy, the United Nations, the New World Order, Communism, foreign invasions, Hegelian dialectics, the Illuminati, and various "conspiracy theories". Your job is to be a good salesperson, and sell legislators the bill on their own terms. If you are trying to sell a car to a middle-aged woman, it's not very smart to tell her that "Chicks love it." If your customer is a single male college student, it's not very smart to tell him it will easily hold 5 kids plus groceries. This is only common sense. Be smart! Talk to legislators about what matters to THEM - not what matters to you. Talk about how the bill affects you in practical terms. If you have a first-hand experience, or anecdote, that's usually helpful. For example: "I work for ______ and I have to travel all over the country. I usually visit 20 different states a year. If I had to get a permit in each of those states, it would cost me about $3,500 which I can't afford. If HB 376 passes, I'll be able to use my Utah permit in most of those states." Please contact the following members of the House Judiciary Committee if you haven't already done so and ask them to support HB 376. Members of the House Judiciary Committee: Arent parent@le.state.ut.us, 801-272-1956 Bennion cbennion@le.state.ut.us 801-281-1607 Bigelow rbigelow@le.state.ut.us 801-968-4188 Bryson kbryson@le.state.ut.us 801-226-2061 Cox gcox@le.state.ut.us 801-967-9760 Curtis gcurtis@le.state.ut.us 801-943-3091 Daniels sdaniels@le.state.ut.us 801-582-8080 Ferrin jferrin@le.state.ut.us 801-224-6823 Ferry bferry@le.state.ut.us 435-744-2997 Hendrickson nhendric@le.state.ut.us 801-969-8920 Thompson mthompson@le.state.ut.us 801-226-5032 Tyler atyler@le.state.ut.us 801-272-1218 Way gway@le.state.ut.us 801-798-2295 801-636-0509 (cell) Be sure you contact committee Chair, Glenn Way, and Vice Chair, Jim Ferrin. If one of the committee members is your Representative, s/he should be your priority. Reps. Arent, Cox, Hendrickson, and Tyler have historically been very hostile to gun rights, so they should be at the bottom of your list. Please CALL these Representatives at home this evening. You can also leave messages at the Capitol on Monday (538-1029) but that's less effective. SAVE THE DATE! Rep. Mike Thompson expects his HB 345 - Carrying a Firearm (Vermont carry, right to carry without a permit) to be heard Wednesday, Feb. 21 at 8 AM. Please plan to attend - even if it means taking a couple of hours off work. The same committee members listed above will be voting on this bill. SEE YOU TOMORROW! Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson PO Box 1185 Sandy, UT 84091 801-566-1625 http://www.utgoa.org Director@utgoa.org PLEASE SUPPORT UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE! JOIN US TODAY! Did someone forward this to you? Please SUBSCRIBE NOW! That way you'll receive our FREE alerts as soon as they're released. During the legislative session, we send urgent, time limited alerts. Don't risk missing important information because someone else neglected to forward important information. Our alerts are low volume and average less than one alert per day. 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: ALERT: HB 376 CCW Recognition needs help; Also support HB 345 Vermont Carry Date: 19 Feb 2001 21:40:44 -0700 HB376 CCW Recognition HB345 Vermont Carry Plan to attend hearing In a continuing show of contempt for law abiding citizens' ability to defend themselvs (as well as his command of legislative procedures) Rep. Gary Cox dealt a (we hope temporary) setback to Rep. Donnalson's HB 376 -- CCW Recognition today in the House Judiciary Committee by offering a substitute that gutted the entire bill. Cox's hostile substitute was accepted by a vote of 7 - 6. This IS progress over last year where we would have expected to lose 12 -1 or even 13 -0. But the game isn't over yet. Donnelson will be back with amendments or another substitute to restore the original intent of the bill. And with some calls, faxes, and emails, as well as another heavy turn out at the hearing, we think we can sway one or even two of those who voted against us and send this bill to the full house on a vote of 7 - 6 in our favor. HB 376 as originally proposed and substituted by its sponsor, would require Utah to recognize the CCW permits issued by all other States, Counties, Cities, etc. Upon doing this, there are about 8 States that will immediately honor Utah's CCW permits. That's 8 more States where you can travel with the safety and security of your legally carried self defense weapon. HB 376 would also allow off duty police officers from out of State to CCW in Utah. Currently, they may only do so if they are on "official business." It is also important to note that under current Utah law we do not honor permits from places like California even though their requirements are MUCH more stringent (and discriminatory) than our own simply because in that (and several other States) the permits are not issued by the State, but are instead issued by the County or City. Some have, and will make a big deal of the fact that this bill would allow people from States with less stringent training requirements that Utah to CCW here. Bear in mind that Utah honors driver's licenses from all 50 States regardless of the local requirements to obtain that license. Also remember that there is no difference in the rate of problems with CCW permitees between Arizona which requires 16 hours of training and Washington State that has no training requirement and Utah that has minimal training. We expect this bill will be heard again by the House Judiciary Committee at their Wednesday, February 21st meeting which is at 7:00 am probably in Room 223. What we need to do: Contact Representatives Ron Bigelow and Ben Ferry and ask them to change their votes. They voted in favor of Cox's sabotage substitute, effectively voting against Donnelson's bill. These two are the closest we have to "swing votes" and some polite, but sure feedback may well swing them back in line. The other five who voted against us are very anti-gun and are not worth wasting any time on until the next election. They are Arent, Cox, Hendrickson, Tyler, Daniels. Faxes for any Rep. may be sent to House Fax Machine at 801-538-1908. Be sure the recipient's name is in large, bold print on the first page. Messages for any Rep. may be left during business hours with house operator at 801-538-1029. Ask her to "hand deliver" the message. Rep. Ron Bigelow may also be contacted at: (home) 801-968-4188 E-mail: rbigelow@le.state.ut.us Rep Ben Ferry may be contacted at: (home & office) 435-744-2997 (fax) 435-744-2999 E-mail: bferry@le.state.ut.us Again, please be polite but firm. Let these two know that you are disapointed in their vote to allow Cox to sabotage a perfectly reasonable bill that will make it easier, safer, and cheaper for Utahn's with CCW permits to travel in other States and to welcome law abiding citizens to our State. Ask them to change their vote and oppose HB 376 S2 (Cox's substitue) and support whatever amendments or substitutes Donnelson offers. We also need to contact those Representatives who voted with us (by voting against Cox's sabotage substitute) to thank them for their vote and to ask them to stand firm and support Donnelson's amendments or substitutes. A couple of those who voted with us were fairly quiet on the voice vote and only lent their full support when other members demanded a roll call vote. More evidence that holding legislators accountable for their votes tends to get them voting the right way. Again, please be polite, thank them for their vote, and ask them to support Donnelson's bill and to oppose Cox's sabotage substitute. Those who voted with us are: Way, Ferrin, Bennion, Bryson, Curtis, and Thompson. Faxes and messages may be left at the numbers given above. Email addresses are (please us bcc field if you email all at once): gway@le.state.ut.us ; jferrin@le.state.ut.us ; cbennion@le.state.ut.us ; kbryson@le.state.ut.us ; gcurtis@le.state.ut.us ; mthompson@le.state.ut.us Home Phone numbers: Way 801-798-2295 Ferrin (home) 801-224-6823 (office) 801-224-9867 Bennion (home) 801-281-1607 (office) 801-468-2876 (fax) 801-288-2144 Bryson 801-226-2061 Curtis (home) 801-943-3091 (office) 801-942-7464 Thompson (home) 801-226-5032 (office) 801-223-9044 Again, these are the guys who voted with us. Please thank them and ask them to continue to oppose Cox's efforts to derail a good bill. Ask them to support Donnelson. HB 345 Vermont Carry Rep. Mike Thomson's HB 345 "Vermont Carry" is scheduled to be heard by the same House Judiciary Committee this Wednesday, February 21st at 7:00 am in room 223. Please contact the above members of the committee and ask them to support Thompson's HB 345. This bill would, in most instances, remove criminal penalaties for carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. Utah's CCW permit system would remain in place for those who wanted a permit either for travel to other States, to avoid the background check when buying a gun, or to carry in one of few places where those without permits would not be able to carry. In short, this bill would bring Utah's Statutes in line with Utah's Constitution by recognizing a RIGHT to carry a gun for self defense rather than just a privelege granted by the State. To have this bill drafted, introduced, and released from Rules Committee to a Standing committee is a HUGE success that we only dreamed of just last year. In any contacts with Rep. Thompson, please be sure to thank him for sponsoring this bill. The good freshman representative is not even a gun owner. He has done this because he believes it is the right thing to do and he has taken heat for it. ATTEND the HEARING. Friends, it was an awesome sight today to see the hearing room packed with pro-gun people. We need to do it again and have an even larger turn out this Wednesday. This is a small room. If we all show up and all arrive early, there is no reason we cannot pack the room and the hall way outside so that anti-gunners cannot even get in, much less find a seat. Let's give our friends this show of support and deny our enemies any comfort. The hearing starts at 7:00 am so many of us should be able to attend before we head off to work. The room is small, I fully expect that the anti-gun forces will be out in strength, and we want to pack the room, so please arrive early--6:45 at the latest. 6:30 would be ideal. Bring some hot cocoa or coffee or OJ and enjoy being able to turn out to support a couple of good bills for a change. Most of us will probably have to go straight to work after the hearing, but if at all possible please dress in your Business or Sunday best or at least "business casual." There are restrooms where I would suspect you can change into work clothes if you need to. If you simply must wear work clothes please avoid Tshirst with slogans. If any of you are particularly gifted or have special experience that may be relevant and would like to testify or speak, plese let me or Dr. Sarah Thompson with UTGOA mailto:director@utgoa.org know. We'll do what we can to coordinate our side. We could particularly use a police officer or two. Rep. Gary Cox is a police officer and we need to counter his influence with other officers who do trust law abiding citizens to exercise their rights in a peacful, responsible manner. Finally, please forward this message to anyone who may not receive it directly. AGAIN: HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HEARING WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 21ST, 7:00 AM ROOM 223 PLEASE ARRIVE NO LATER THAN 6:45 AM. ---------------- Charles Hardy ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Outreach Date: 20 Feb 2001 09:18:03 -0700 Ashcroft may teach lefties to love guns ---------- by Knute Berger "[T]he time is ripe for liberals to overcome their Second-Amendment reluctance, embrace gun rights, praise Gaia and pass the ammunition. It's time to test the tolerance of the Bush administration's new chief law enforcement officer by seeing how far he'll go to protect those who also abhor tyranny, but from the opposite end of the political spectrum." (02/13/01) http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=10466 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Biatholon Article Date: 20 Feb 2001 10:55:48 -0700 A great article on the biatholon in today's SLTrib. A few excerpts: Utahns will have a chance to see the world's finest biathletes compete when the sport's World Cup tour stops at Soldier Hollow for a pre-Olympic test Feb. 28-March 3. In recent years, the populated Middle European nations have come to the fore, resulting in a surge in biathlon's television ratings that eclipse those of other snow sports Ñ even prime-time ski jumping, which is like a religion in Finland and Japan. Lyle Nelson, the Salt Lake Organizing Committee's biathlon program manager, estimates 35 million TV viewers in Europe will tune into live prime-time coverage of the Utah World Cup biathlon. "It's far and away the biggest TV promotion SLOC is doing," Nelson said. More countries partipate in Olympic biathlon than in any other winter sport, Nelson says. About 200 biathletes from 32 nations, including Argentina, Chile, Greece and Korea, are expected to compete next week. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT!! CONCEALED CARRY RECOGNITION IN DANGER! Date: 21 Feb 2001 19:17:46 -0700 Same info as in my most recent post, but with some different ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control --------- Forwarded message ---------- Apologies if this is a duplicate. We're having server problems. YOUR HELP IS NEEDED RIGHT AWAY! HB 376S3 (3rd substitute)- Concealed Carry Recognition was passed by the House Judiciary Committee today. This bill will recognize concealed carry permits from any state or county in the US. It will also make it possible for Utah permittees to carry in many states, such as Florida, where they currently are not allowed to carry. It will save money, and more important, it will save lives. HB 376S3 is expected to have its FINAL House vote tomorrow - Thursday. Rep. Gary Cox is once again trying to sabotage it. He thinks we are disorganized and won't be able to contact legislators in time to stop him. We need to prove him WRONG! What you must do RIGHT NOW! Call your OWN REPRESENTATIVE at home this evening!. Tell him/her you expect a YES vote on HB 376S3 - with NO amendments and NO changes. It's fine the way it is. Make sure s/he understands that you think this is the most important bill (or one of them) this year and that you will be very unhappy if it doesn't pass as is. Utah Gun Owners Alliance will post votes as soon as they are available. If you are unable to reach your legislator, leave a message at 801-538-1029. DO NOT THREATEN LEGISLATORS! Also call the following members of House leadership at home this evening: Speaker Marty Stephens Rep. Kevin Garn Rep. David Ure Rep. Greg Curtis Tell them you expect House Republican leadership to take an active role in making sure that HB 376S3 passes as is, with no amendments. Remind them that it is their job to make sure that Republicans abide by their party platform and support gun rights. You should also leave a message for Speaker Stephens at 801-538-1930. Messages for the rest can be left at 801-538-1029. Remember that messages get lost and thrown out, so it's MUCH better to call legislators at home. You can also send faxes to 538-1908 (R) or 538-9505 (D) Find your representative at: http://www.le.state.ut.us/house/District%20Info/Maps/State.htm Full Roster of Utah Representatives: Dis Pty Name Phone Fax E-Mail 01 D Anderson 435-854-3760 eanderso@le.state.ut.us 02 R Ferry 435-744-2997 435-744-2999 bferry@le.state.ut.us 03 R Buttars 435-258-5015 435-258-2559 cbuttars@le.state.ut.us 04 R Pace 435-753-6154 435-753-5013 lpace@le.state.ut.us 05 R Parker 435-245-6275 435-245-7555 bparker@le.state.ut.us 06 R Stephens 801-731-5346 801-538-1908 mstephen@le.state.ut.us 07 R Donnelson 801-782-2640 gdonnelson@le.state.ut.us 08 R Murray 801-393-7062 jmurray@le.state.ut.us 09 D Hansen 801-393-1514 801-392-8011 nhansen@le.state.ut.us 10 D Shurtliff 801-479-0289 lshurtli@le.state.ut.us 11 R Saunders 801-476-1110 csaunder@le.state.ut.us 12 R Adair 801-773-2125 801-773-9927 gadair@le.state.ut.us 13 R Ray 801-774-0624 801-778-8427 pray@le.state.ut.us 14 R Bush 801-825-3210 801-825-3210 dbush@le.state.ut.us 15 R Aagard 801-546-3935 801-726-8500 daagard@le.state.ut.us 16 R Garn 801-544-3533 801-776-0214 kgarn@le.state.ut.us 17 R Dillree 801-451-2773 801-451-6116 mdillree@le.state.ut.us 18 R Barrus 801-292-7988 rbarrus@le.state.ut.us 19 R Allen 801-295-8576 801-402-5218 sallen@le.state.ut.us 20 R Siddoway 801-292-4185 801-294-4135 rsiddowa@le.state.ut.us 21 D Gowans 435-882-2120 jgowans@le.state.ut.us 22 D Duckworth 801-250-0728 801-252-1384 cduckwor@le.state.ut.us 23 D Bourdeaux 801-596-8784 801-596-9085 dbourdea@le.state.ut.us 24 D Becker 801-364-1656 801-355-2090 rbecker@le.state.ut.us 25 D Daniels 801-582-8080 801-583-0802 sdaniels@le.state.ut.us 26 D Fife 801-521-7383 801-521-6456 ffife@le.state.ut.us 27 D Litvack 801-596-0187 dlitvack@le.state.ut.us 28 R Bradshaw 801-581-9646 801-581-9646 abradsha@le.state.ut.us 29 D Goodfellow 801-968-0626 801-957-3380 bgoodfel@le.state.ut.us 30 D Biskupski 801-484-8369 jbiskups@le.state.ut.us 31 D McCartney 801-466-3558 tmccartney@le.state.ut.us 32 R Bigelow 801-968-4188 rbigelow@le.state.ut.us 33 D Hendrickson 801-969-8920 801-955-5143 nhendric@le.state.ut.us 34 R Holdaway 801-964-6360 kholdawa@le.state.ut.us 35 D Buffmire 801-266-1862 jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us 36 R Tyler 801-272-1218 801-585-9291 atyler@le.state.ut.us 37 D Moss 801-272-6507 csmoss@le.state.ut.us 38 D Cox 801-967-9760 801-562-2105 gcox@le.state.ut.us 39 D Beshear 801-957-0840 801-964-8080 cbeshear@le.state.ut.us 40 D Jones 801-278-7667 801-322-5725 pjones@le.state.ut.us 41 D Arent 801-272-1956 801-538-9505 parent@le.state.ut.us 42 R Wallace 801-233-9041 pwallace@le.state.ut.us 43 R Harper 801-566-5466 wharper@le.state.ut.us 44 R Bennion 801-281-1607 801-288-2144 cbennion@le.state.ut.us 45 R Philpot 801-568-7787 mphilpot@le.state.ut.us 46 D Morgan 801-943-0067 801-943-9614 kmorgan@le.state.ut.us 47 R Holladay 801-280-6404 801-619-7019 bhollada@le.state.ut.us 48 D Beck 801-572-2325 801-572-9347 tbeck@le.state.ut.us 49 R Curtis 801-943-3091 gcurtis@le.state.ut.us 50 R Newbold 801-254-0142 mnewbold@le.state.ut.us 51 R Swallow 801-572-8201 jswallow@le.state.ut.us 52 R Hogue 801-254-1668 801-253-7568 dhogue@le.state.ut.us 53 R Ure 435-783-4650 435-783-4650 dure@le.state.ut.us 54 R Snow 435-722-4162 gsnow@le.state.ut.us 55 R Seitz 435-789-0650 435-789-1551 jseitz@le.state.ut.us 56 R Cox 801-768-8759 801-768-8759 dcox@le.state.ut.us 57 R Winn 801-319-4471 801-226-5207 bwinn@le.state.ut.us 58 R Ferrin 801-224-6823 801-235-9122 jferrin@le.state.ut.us 59 R Thompson 801-226-5032 mthompson@le.state.ut.us 60 R Bryson 801-226-2061 kbryson@le.state.ut.us 61 R Dayton 801-221-0623 801-221-2513 mdayton@le.state.ut.us 62 R Alexander 801-375-1092 801-852-2258 jalexand@le.state.ut.us 63 R Clark 801-374-6927 801-375-1271 sclark@le.state.ut.us 64 R Lockhart 801-377-7428 blockhar@le.state.ut.us 65 R Throckmorton 801-489-8342 801-489-8342 mthrockm@le.state.ut.us 66 R Way 801-798-2295 gway@le.state.ut.us 67 R Peterson 435-623-2271 dpeterson@le.state.ut.us 68 R Styler 435-864-3077 435-864-5660 mstyler@le.state.ut.us 69 D King 435-637-7955 435-637-2433 bking@le.state.ut.us 70 R Johnson 435-529-3227 435-529-7444 bjohnson@le.state.ut.us 71 D Young 435-259-4542 myoung@le.state.ut.us 72 R Bowman 435-586-8174 435-586-8174 dbowman@le.state.ut.us 73 R Hatch 435-676-2214 435-676-2421 thatch@le.state.ut.us 74 R Clark 435-628-5108 435-628-0178 dclark@le.state.ut.us 75 R Urquhart 435-673-4424 surquhart@le.state.ut.us Please do everything you can to make sure that HB 376S3 passes the House with NO amendments! 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UTGOA is written and distributed by, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. www.utgoa.org, and Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed. Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no changes are made, UTGOA is clearly credited, and this message is left intact. Archives of the UTGOA alerts can be found at: http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. is a Utah non-profit corporation. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: HB 376 S3 -- Concealed Carry Recognition Due for Vote between 2 and 3 pm today Date: 22 Feb 2001 13:41:11 -0700 Rep. Donnelon's HB 376 S3 that would recognize all out of State concealed carry permits as well as allowing off duty police officers to carry their weapons while visiting Utah is due to be voted on by the full house sometime this afternoon. It looks like we've done a pretty decent job of contacting legislators in the last 16 hours on this judging from the comments I received from legislators or their wives as I called them last night. Now is the time for the final push to get this good bill past the house, intact, and sent to the Senate. Legislators and House leadership really need to come back from their lunch breaks to find a stack of messages in favor of this bill waiting for them. Please, take a few minutes and do two things. 1: Email House Leadership and your Representative asking them to support HB 376 S3 while opposing any efforts to amend or further substitute it. Cut and paste addresses and sample email below. 2: Call or fax House Speaker Marty Stephens and your own legislator at the capital again asking them to support HB 376 S3 while opposing any efforts to amend or futher substitute it. Contact info below. At this point, volume, rather than content is what really matters. Phone messages can be simply, "Please support HB 376 S3. Please oppose any amendments or further substitutes." Faxes and emails need be no longer than the sample below. Phone messages for Speaker Stephens may be left by calling 801-538-1930. Phone messages for all other House members may be left by calling 801-538-1029. Ask that these mesages be "hand delivered." Faxes may be sent to Republican House members at 801-538-1908. Faxes may be sent to Democratic House members at 801-538-9505. In either case make sure the legislator's name is in large, clear, print on the first page of the fax. --------house leadership email addresses----------------- mstephen@le.state.ut.us ; kgarn@le.state.ut.us ; rsiddowa@le.state.ut.us ; wharper@le.state.ut.us ; gcurtis@le.state.ut.us ; dure@le.state.ut.us -------------Sample email / fax --------------------------- subject: Please support HB 376 S3, please oppose all further substitutes or amendments Dear Honorable Representative; I'm writing to ask you to support HB 376 S3 in its current form, as intended by its sponsor, Rep. Donnelson. Please oppose any further, hostile efforts, from either side of the aisle, to substitute or amend this good bill. This bill will save Utahn's money and time. It will also increase our safety. I consider this an extremely important bill. Please ensure that it passes the house intact. Please let me know your position on this bill. Sincerely name address ====================== Full list of Representatives' names and emails. Don't bother calling the phone numbers below. They won't get those messages until after they've voted. Call them at the capital number given above. Fax them at one of the faxes given above. Dis Pty Name Phone Fax E-Mail 01 D Anderson 435-854-3760 eanderso@le.state.ut.us 02 R Ferry 435-744-2997 435-744-2999 bferry@le.state.ut.us 03 R Buttars 435-258-5015 435-258-2559 cbuttars@le.state.ut.us 04 R Pace 435-753-6154 435-753-5013 lpace@le.state.ut.us 05 R Parker 435-245-6275 435-245-7555 bparker@le.state.ut.us 06 R Stephens 801-731-5346 801-538-1908 mstephen@le.state.ut.us 07 R Donnelson 801-782-2640 gdonnelson@le.state.ut.us 08 R Murray 801-393-7062 jmurray@le.state.ut.us 09 D Hansen 801-393-1514 801-392-8011 nhansen@le.state.ut.us 10 D Shurtliff 801-479-0289 lshurtli@le.state.ut.us 11 R Saunders 801-476-1110 csaunder@le.state.ut.us 12 R Adair 801-773-2125 801-773-9927 gadair@le.state.ut.us 13 R Ray 801-774-0624 801-778-8427 pray@le.state.ut.us 14 R Bush 801-825-3210 801-825-3210 dbush@le.state.ut.us 15 R Aagard 801-546-3935 801-726-8500 daagard@le.state.ut.us 16 R Garn 801-544-3533 801-776-0214 kgarn@le.state.ut.us 17 R Dillree 801-451-2773 801-451-6116 mdillree@le.state.ut.us 18 R Barrus 801-292-7988 rbarrus@le.state.ut.us 19 R Allen 801-295-8576 801-402-5218 sallen@le.state.ut.us 20 R Siddoway 801-292-4185 801-294-4135 rsiddowa@le.state.ut.us 21 D Gowans 435-882-2120 jgowans@le.state.ut.us 22 D Duckworth 801-250-0728 801-252-1384 cduckwor@le.state.ut.us 23 D Bourdeaux 801-596-8784 801-596-9085 dbourdea@le.state.ut.us 24 D Becker 801-364-1656 801-355-2090 rbecker@le.state.ut.us 25 D Daniels 801-582-8080 801-583-0802 sdaniels@le.state.ut.us 26 D Fife 801-521-7383 801-521-6456 ffife@le.state.ut.us 27 D Litvack 801-596-0187 dlitvac@le.state.ut.us 28 R Bradshaw 801-581-9646 801-581-9646 abradsha@le.state.ut.us 29 D Goodfellow 801-968-0626 801-957-3380 bgoodfel@le.state.ut.us 30 D Biskupski 801-484-8369 jbiskups@le.state.ut.us 31 D McCartney 801-466-3558 tmccartney@le.state.ut.us 32 R Bigelow 801-968-4188 rbigelow@le.state.ut.us 33 D Hendrickson 801-969-8920 801-955-5143 nhendric@le.state.ut.us 34 R Holdaway 801-964-6360 kholdawa@le.state.ut.us 35 D Buffmire 801-266-1862 jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us 36 R Tyler 801-272-1218 801-585-9291 atyler@le.state.ut.us 37 D Moss 801-272-6507 csmoss@le.state.ut.us 38 D Cox 801-967-9760 801-562-2105 gcox@le.state.ut.us 39 D Beshear 801-957-0840 801-964-8080 cbeshear@le.state.ut.us 40 D Jones 801-278-7667 801-322-5725 pjones@le.state.ut.us 41 D Arent 801-272-1956 801-538-9505 parent@le.state.ut.us 42 R Wallace 801-233-9041 pwallace@le.state.ut.us 43 R Harper 801-566-5466 wharper@le.state.ut.us 44 R Bennion 801-281-1607 801-288-2144 cbennion@le.state.ut.us 45 R Philpot 801-568-7787 mphilpot@le.state.ut.us 46 D Morgan 801-943-0067 801-943-9614 kmorgan@le.state.ut.us 47 R Holladay 801-280-6404 801-619-7019 bhollada@le.state.ut.us 48 D Beck 801-572-2325 801-572-9347 tbeck@le.state.ut.us 49 R Curtis 801-943-3091 gcurtis@le.state.ut.us 50 R Newbold 801-254-0142 mnewbold@le.state.ut.us 51 R Swallow 801-572-8201 jswallow@le.state.ut.us 52 R Hogue 801-254-1668 801-253-7568 dhogue@le.state.ut.us 53 R Ure 435-783-4650 435-783-4650 dure@le.state.ut.us 54 R Snow 435-722-4162 gsnow@le.state.ut.us 55 R Seitz 435-789-0650 435-789-1551 jseitz@le.state.ut.us 56 R Cox 801-768-8759 801-768-8759 dcox@le.state.ut.us 57 R Winn 801-319-4471 801-226-5207 bwinn@le.state.ut.us 58 R Ferrin 801-224-6823 801-235-9122 jferrin@le.state.ut.us 59 R Thompson 801-226-5032 mthompson@le.state.ut.us 60 R Bryson 801-226-2061 kbryson@le.state.ut.us 61 R Dayton 801-221-0623 801-221-2513 mdayton@le.state.ut.us 62 R Alexander 801-375-1092 801-852-2258 jalexand@le.state.ut.us 63 R Clark 801-374-6927 801-375-1271 sclark@le.state.ut.us 64 R Lockhart 801-377-7428 blockhar@le.state.ut.us 65 R Throckmorton 801-489-8342 801-489-8342 mthrockm@le.state.ut.us 66 R Way 801-798-2295 gway@le.state.ut.us 67 R Peterson 435-623-2271 dpeterson@le.state.ut.us 68 R Styler 435-864-3077 435-864-5660 mstyler@le.state.ut.us 69 D King 435-637-7955 435-637-2433 bking@le.state.ut.us 70 R Johnson 435-529-3227 435-529-7444 bjohnson@le.state.ut.us 71 D Young 435-259-4542 myoung@le.state.ut.us 72 R Bowman 435-586-8174 435-586-8174 dbowman@le.state.ut.us 73 R Hatch 435-676-2214 435-676-2421 thatch@le.state.ut.us 74 R Clark 435-628-5108 435-628-0178 dclark@le.state.ut.us 75 R Urquhart 435-673-4424 surquhart@le.state.ut.us ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Cut and paste email addresses for Representatives Date: 22 Feb 2001 14:04:14 -0700 I had someone ask for these so here they are. This is, I believe, a full list of house email addresses--excluding the private email addresses listed by some reps. It should be in a nice cut-and-paste format with one address plus semi-colon seperator per line. IOW, it should paste directly into the blind carbon copy (bcc) field of your email handler. Please be a bit discriminate in sending emails to the entire legislature. If nothing else, sometimes you want to send different messages to democrats and republicans or those who are likely to already support a bill and those who are likely to already oppose a bill. And make sure to always use the bcc field rather than the to field. Note that some email programs (EG Juno) limit the number of email addresses that can be entered. On these systems the list has to be done in two or more pieces. eanderso@le.state.ut.us ; bferry@le.state.ut.us ; cbuttars@le.state.ut.us ; lpace@le.state.ut.us ; bparker@le.state.ut.us ; mstephen@le.state.ut.us ; gdonnelson@le.state.ut.us ; jmurray@le.state.ut.us ; nhansen@le.state.ut.us ; lshurtli@le.state.ut.us ; csaunder@le.state.ut.us ; gadair@le.state.ut.us ; pray@le.state.ut.us ; dbush@le.state.ut.us ; daagard@le.state.ut.us ; kgarn@le.state.ut.us ; mdillree@le.state.ut.us ; rbarrus@le.state.ut.us ; sallen@le.state.ut.us ; rsiddowa@le.state.ut.us ; jgowans@le.state.ut.us ; cduckwor@le.state.ut.us ; dbourdea@le.state.ut.us ; rbecker@le.state.ut.us ; sdaniels@le.state.ut.us ; ffife@le.state.ut.us ; dlitvac@le.state.ut.us ; abradsha@le.state.ut.us ; bgoodfel@le.state.ut.us ; jbiskups@le.state.ut.us ; tmccartney@le.state.ut.us ; rbigelow@le.state.ut.us ; nhendric@le.state.ut.us ; kholdawa@le.state.ut.us ; jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us ; atyler@le.state.ut.us ; csmoss@le.state.ut.us ; gcox@le.state.ut.us ; cbeshear@le.state.ut.us ; pjones@le.state.ut.us ; parent@le.state.ut.us ; pwallace@le.state.ut.us ; wharper@le.state.ut.us ; cbennion@le.state.ut.us ; mphilpot@le.state.ut.us ; kmorgan@le.state.ut.us ; bhollada@le.state.ut.us ; tbeck@le.state.ut.us ; gcurtis@le.state.ut.us ; mnewbold@le.state.ut.us ; jswallow@le.state.ut.us ; dhogue@le.state.ut.us ; dure@le.state.ut.us ; gsnow@le.state.ut.us ; jseitz@le.state.ut.us ; dcox@le.state.ut.us ; bwinn@le.state.ut.us ; jferrin@le.state.ut.us ; mthompson@le.state.ut.us ; kbryson@le.state.ut.us ; mdayton@le.state.ut.us ; jalexand@le.state.ut.us ; sclark@le.state.ut.us ; blockhar@le.state.ut.us ; mthrockm@le.state.ut.us ; gway@le.state.ut.us ; dpeterson@le.state.ut.us ; mstyler@le.state.ut.us ; bking@le.state.ut.us ; bjohnson@le.state.ut.us ; myoung@le.state.ut.us ; dbowman@le.state.ut.us ; thatch@le.state.ut.us ; dclark@le.state.ut.us ; surquhart@le.state.ut.us ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Voting delayed due to computer glithes, one more night to call. Date: 22 Feb 2001 17:06:16 -0700 It seems that voting has been delayed at the capital due to a computer glitch. What the anti-gunners won't do to kill a bill. :) So, if you have not yet contacted house leadership or your own Representative in support of Donnelson's HB 376 S3 you have one more evening to do so. Please do. If you have contacted them, consider making a "follow up" call tonight just to ask how things went. When they tell you about the voting delay, make sure they will support the bill tomorrow and will not let it be amended, further substituted, or even bumped from its place on the agenda. Once Gary Cox realizes that we are one step ahead of him and he isn't going to be able to slip a bad substitute or amendment through he may try to knock it off the agenda. This is also a good opportunity to email, fax, and/or call in support of Thompson's HB 264 which requires public schools to offer gun safety to grades k - 6. Contact info from previous message: Phone messages for Speaker Stephens may be left by calling 801-538-1930. Phone messages for all other House members may be left by calling 801-538-1029. Ask that these mesages be "hand delivered." Faxes may be sent to Republican House members at 801-538-1908. Faxes may be sent to Democratic House members at 801-538-9505. In either case make sure the legislator's name is in large, clear, print on the first page of the fax. --------house leadership email addresses----------------- mstephen@le.state.ut.us ; kgarn@le.state.ut.us ; rsiddowa@le.state.ut.us; wharper@le.state.ut.us ; gcurtis@le.state.ut.us ; dure@le.state.ut.us -------------Sample email / fax for HB 376 S3--------------------------- subject: Please support HB 376 S3, please oppose all further substitutes or amendments Dear Honorable Representative; I'm writing to ask you to support HB 376 S3 in its current form, as intended by its sponsor, Rep. Donnelson. Please oppose any further, hostile efforts, from either side of the aisle, to substitute or amend this good bill. Please oppose any efforts to delay this bill or drop it from its priority on the agenda. This bill will save Utahn's money and time. It will also increase our safety. I consider this an extremely important bill. Please ensure that it passes the house intact. Please let me know your position on this bill. Sincerely name address -----------------Sample email / fax for HB 264---------------------------- subject: Please support HB 264 -- Gun Safety training Dear Honorable Representative; I'm writing to ask you to support HB 264 by Rep. Thompson. This bill is critically important to the safety of our children and should be passed on to the Senate. Please see to it that the requirement that schools offer this valuable safety training is kept strong. Sadly, most all schools have refused to teach or allow volunteers to teach this material under the "may offer" language that is in current statute. Please let me know your position on this bill. Sincerely name address ====================== Full list of Representatives' names home phone numbers, their home fax number if available, and email addresses. Please make use of these tonight. Dis Pty Name Phone Fax E-Mail 01 D Anderson 435-854-3760 eanderso@le.state.ut.us 02 R Ferry 435-744-2997 435-744-2999 bferry@le.state.ut.us 03 R Buttars 435-258-5015 435-258-2559 cbuttars@le.state.ut.us 04 R Pace 435-753-6154 435-753-5013 lpace@le.state.ut.us 05 R Parker 435-245-6275 435-245-7555 bparker@le.state.ut.us 06 R Stephens 801-731-5346 801-538-1908 mstephen@le.state.ut.us 07 R Donnelson 801-782-2640 gdonnelson@le.state.ut.us 08 R Murray 801-393-7062 jmurray@le.state.ut.us 09 D Hansen 801-393-1514 801-392-8011 nhansen@le.state.ut.us 10 D Shurtliff 801-479-0289 lshurtli@le.state.ut.us 11 R Saunders 801-476-1110 csaunder@le.state.ut.us 12 R Adair 801-773-2125 801-773-9927 gadair@le.state.ut.us 13 R Ray 801-774-0624 801-778-8427 pray@le.state.ut.us 14 R Bush 801-825-3210 801-825-3210 dbush@le.state.ut.us 15 R Aagard 801-546-3935 801-726-8500 daagard@le.state.ut.us 16 R Garn 801-544-3533 801-776-0214 kgarn@le.state.ut.us 17 R Dillree 801-451-2773 801-451-6116 mdillree@le.state.ut.us 18 R Barrus 801-292-7988 rbarrus@le.state.ut.us 19 R Allen 801-295-8576 801-402-5218 sallen@le.state.ut.us 20 R Siddoway 801-292-4185 801-294-4135 rsiddowa@le.state.ut.us 21 D Gowans 435-882-2120 jgowans@le.state.ut.us 22 D Duckworth 801-250-0728 801-252-1384 cduckwor@le.state.ut.us 23 D Bourdeaux 801-596-8784 801-596-9085 dbourdea@le.state.ut.us 24 D Becker 801-364-1656 801-355-2090 rbecker@le.state.ut.us 25 D Daniels 801-582-8080 801-583-0802 sdaniels@le.state.ut.us 26 D Fife 801-521-7383 801-521-6456 ffife@le.state.ut.us 27 D Litvack 801-596-0187 dlitvac@le.state.ut.us 28 R Bradshaw 801-581-9646 801-581-9646 abradsha@le.state.ut.us 29 D Goodfellow 801-968-0626 801-957-3380 bgoodfel@le.state.ut.us 30 D Biskupski 801-484-8369 jbiskups@le.state.ut.us 31 D McCartney 801-466-3558 tmccartney@le.state.ut.us 32 R Bigelow 801-968-4188 rbigelow@le.state.ut.us 33 D Hendrickson 801-969-8920 801-955-5143 nhendric@le.state.ut.us 34 R Holdaway 801-964-6360 kholdawa@le.state.ut.us 35 D Buffmire 801-266-1862 jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us 36 R Tyler 801-272-1218 801-585-9291 atyler@le.state.ut.us 37 D Moss 801-272-6507 csmoss@le.state.ut.us 38 D Cox 801-967-9760 801-562-2105 gcox@le.state.ut.us 39 D Beshear 801-957-0840 801-964-8080 cbeshear@le.state.ut.us 40 D Jones 801-278-7667 801-322-5725 pjones@le.state.ut.us 41 D Arent 801-272-1956 801-538-9505 parent@le.state.ut.us 42 R Wallace 801-233-9041 pwallace@le.state.ut.us 43 R Harper 801-566-5466 wharper@le.state.ut.us 44 R Bennion 801-281-1607 801-288-2144 cbennion@le.state.ut.us 45 R Philpot 801-568-7787 mphilpot@le.state.ut.us 46 D Morgan 801-943-0067 801-943-9614 kmorgan@le.state.ut.us 47 R Holladay 801-280-6404 801-619-7019 bhollada@le.state.ut.us 48 D Beck 801-572-2325 801-572-9347 tbeck@le.state.ut.us 49 R Curtis 801-943-3091 gcurtis@le.state.ut.us 50 R Newbold 801-254-0142 mnewbold@le.state.ut.us 51 R Swallow 801-572-8201 jswallow@le.state.ut.us 52 R Hogue 801-254-1668 801-253-7568 dhogue@le.state.ut.us 53 R Ure 435-783-4650 435-783-4650 dure@le.state.ut.us 54 R Snow 435-722-4162 gsnow@le.state.ut.us 55 R Seitz 435-789-0650 435-789-1551 jseitz@le.state.ut.us 56 R Cox 801-768-8759 801-768-8759 dcox@le.state.ut.us 57 R Winn 801-319-4471 801-226-5207 bwinn@le.state.ut.us 58 R Ferrin 801-224-6823 801-235-9122 jferrin@le.state.ut.us 59 R Thompson 801-226-5032 mthompson@le.state.ut.us 60 R Bryson 801-226-2061 kbryson@le.state.ut.us 61 R Dayton 801-221-0623 801-221-2513 mdayton@le.state.ut.us 62 R Alexander 801-375-1092 801-852-2258 jalexand@le.state.ut.us 63 R Clark 801-374-6927 801-375-1271 sclark@le.state.ut.us 64 R Lockhart 801-377-7428 blockhar@le.state.ut.us 65 R Throckmorton 801-489-8342 801-489-8342 mthrockm@le.state.ut.us 66 R Way 801-798-2295 gway@le.state.ut.us 67 R Peterson 435-623-2271 dpeterson@le.state.ut.us 68 R Styler 435-864-3077 435-864-5660 mstyler@le.state.ut.us 69 D King 435-637-7955 435-637-2433 bking@le.state.ut.us 70 R Johnson 435-529-3227 435-529-7444 bjohnson@le.state.ut.us 71 D Young 435-259-4542 myoung@le.state.ut.us 72 R Bowman 435-586-8174 435-586-8174 dbowman@le.state.ut.us 73 R Hatch 435-676-2214 435-676-2421 thatch@le.state.ut.us 74 R Clark 435-628-5108 435-628-0178 dclark@le.state.ut.us 75 R Urquhart 435-673-4424 surquhart@le.state.ut.us ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Bergeson" Subject: Dems: Drop Gun Control Date: 26 Feb 2001 08:50:17 -0700 Some Democrats are seeing the light about "gun control": http://www.worldnetdaily.com/frame/direct.asp?SITE=www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/sunday/news_13.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT! Concealed carry, Gun Safety Ed, Hate Crimes Date: 26 Feb 2001 12:15:28 -0700 Sorry for the hiatus over the weekend, my computer was down. Please read and act on this infomation quickly. We've only got three days to go. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control --------- Forwarded message ---------- HB 376-S3 - CONCEALED FIREARMS PERMIT HOLDERS - RECOGNITION - DONNELSON It has come to our attention that both USSC and GOUtah! have sent out alerts which contain INCORRECT information about HB 376 S3. They both say that Senators should support HB 376 S3 without amendments. The truth is that UNLESS HB 376S3 is amended, it will NOT be passed this year! While we believe that these are innocent mistakes, resulting from our request las week that the House pass this bill without amendments, innocent mistakes can have very serious consequences. Despite our best efforts, the bill WAS amended and now it needs to be fixed. Only Utah Gun Owners Alliance (UTGOA) and the Utah Self-Defense Instructors Network (US-DIN!) have been on the scene following this bill as it changes from minute to minute. As a result, we have the most current information. HB 376S3 said that Utah would honor permits issued by any state or county. HB 376S3 Amended version says that Utah will honor permits by any state or county that requires a background check. Here's the problem: BCI would have to check with each of the more than 3000 states and counties in the US and learn what their firearms laws are, so they would know which permits to accept. In addition, all (or almost all) of these states and counties DO background checks, but many don't REQUIRE it by law. In fact, UTAH doesn't even require background checks by law. As a result, these states and counties would not have their permits honored, even though they perform background checks. For BCI to check over 3000 agencies would cost a huge amount of money. And it's too late in the session for bills that require funding to be passed. So the legislature will have no choice but to KILL this bill. Don't let this happen! With YOUR help, we can get Concealed Carry Recognition passed! Please CALL your Senator and as many other Senators as you can manage and ask them to SUPPORT HB 376S3 WITH FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS! You can send faxes to 801-538-1414 (GOP) and 538-1449 (Dem). You can also leave messages Monday at the Capitol, 538-1035. Please also remind Senators that you would like them to vote YES on HB 264 when it comes to the Senate. CONTACT INFORMATION FOR ALL LEGISLATORS IS AT http://www.utgoa.org/resources/legcontact01.html You can also "Clip and Send" the following. Email is very unreliable this late in the session so we suggest you FAX this. Send faxes to 801-538-1414 (GOP) and 538-1449 (Dem). ***************************** 264. Dear Senator: I am writing to ask you to vote YES on HB 376 S3 - Concealed Weapon Permit Holder Recognition by Rep. Glenn Donnelson. Sen. Steven Poulton is the Senate sponsor. Because of some problems with the House language, this bill needs to be amended, so please SUPPORT FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS. Please also vote YES on HB 264, Gun Safety Law Amendments by Rep. Thompson. Please respond and let me know how you intend to vote on these bills. I consider these two of the most important bills this session. Thank you. YOUR NAME YOUR ADDRESS *************************************** HB 264-S2 - Gun Safety Law Amendments - Thompson HB 264-S2, which requires that schools offer gun safety education to students in grades K-6 should have its House vote Monday. Please make sure YOUR Representative knows that you would like him/her to vote FOR HB 264. We also suggest that you contact House leadership, especially Rep. Ure. Speaker Marty Stephens, mstephen@le.state.ut.us, 801-731-5346 Rep. Kevin Garn (GOP Majority leader), kgarn@le.state.ut.us, 801-544-3533 Rep. David Ure (GOP Majority Whip), dure@le.state.ut.us, 435-783-4650 Rep. Greg Curtis (GOP Ass't. Majority Whip), gcurtis@le.state.ut.us, 801-943-3091 It is too late for emails on this bill, so please use your phone or fax. Messages: 538-1029 Fax (GOP): 538-1908 Fax (DEM) 538-9505 SB 37 - HATE CRIMES AMENDMENTS - SUAZO You almost certainly know that there is currently a lot of controversy regarding SB 37, Hate Crimes - Suazo. Because we are such a powerful and effective group of grass roots activists, it seems that everyone is trying to claim that gun owners should be "on their side". We therefore feel obligated to point out that Utah Gun Owners Alliance does NOT have an official position on this bill - either for or against. Yesterday, Senate President Al Mansell offered the opinion that gun owners should support SB 37. He thinks we should support it because it would take some of the "nuts" off the streets and that by supporting it, it would give the gun lobby more credibility. UTGOA has some philosophical problems with Sen. Mansell's argument. He is assuming that there is a connection between the "gun lobby" and/or gun owners and "nuts" on the street. There is no such connection. UTGOA members, and members of all the other gun organizations of which we're aware, are law-abiding, responsible people. We're not Nazis, skinheads, gang members or criminals and we don't commit "hate crimes" - or any crimes. In fact, we've argued that all the policies that say "Anyone is welcome here except someone legally carrying a gun", are in themselves a heinous form of bigotry. The job of getting "nuts" off the street is the job of law enforcement and the criminal justice system; it's not the job of gun owners. We just choose to be able to defend ourselves should some "nut" or criminal decide to assault us. It's true that the media work very hard to portray all gun owners as racists and criminals, and many people believe those lies. It would be nice if someone in Sen. Mansell's position were to state publicly that this is not true, instead of helping to perpetuate the misinformation. On the other hand, Arnold Gaunt and some others are claiming that SB 37 is an "anti-gun bill" and that gun owners should oppose it. UTGOA is concerned about the provision in SB 37 that allow Class A misdemeanors to be charged as felonies. As you know, a person convicted of a felony loses his gun rights forever under both state and federal law. However, although UTGOA has the greatest respect for Mr. Gaunt, we do not agree with his opinion that SB 37 is an "anti-gun" bill. And our bylaws limit us to dealing only with bills that affect gun rights or gun owners. To reiterate, Utah Gun Owners Alliance has NO official position on SB 37 - Hate Crimes Amendments. We trust YOU to make the right decision about this bill, and to decide what to communicate to your elected officials. PLEASE PLAN TO JOIN OUR LAST NIGHT GATHERING at the Capitol, Wednesday, Feb. 28 from about 6:30 PM until midnight. We'll watch the clock run out on the 2001 legislature. (Note new time!) If all goes well, the session will end on a light note, there will be no threats to our lives or liberties, and we can celebrate. If things don't go well (which happened last year), we will need you to BE THERE to talk to your legislators, prevent them from passing bad bills, and encourage them to pass good bills. If you're not right there, on the spot, prepared to act, you won't be able to influence what happens. Last year, the legislature passed a viciously anti-gun bill right at midnight, by only ONE vote. Other good bills died in the final hours. If we'd had more people there to help, this would never have happened. We'll be gathering outside the House chamber on the third floor, and breaking up into smaller groups to keep an eye on everything. Please plan to join us. Look for the people with Utah Gun Owners Alliance badges. PLEASE PLAN TO TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE IN DEFENDING YOUR RIGHTS DURING THE FINAL THREE DAYS OF THE LEGISLATURE. YOUR INPUT WILL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VICTORY AND DEFEAT! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Contact info on Senators Date: 26 Feb 2001 18:24:13 -0700 Here is the contact info on Utah State Senators, followed by "cut and paste" email address. Please be sure to be discriminate in the use of mass emails and, when you feel they are appropriate, be sure to use the "bcc" field rather than the "to" or "cc" fields as many legislators will completely ignore any email they know was sent to everyone. Messages / faxes for all Senators may be sent to the following numbers at the capital: Senate Fax: (801)538-1414 Senate Phone: (801)538-1035 Senate Leadership: President L. Al Mansell Office (801)567-4200 Home(801)942-6019 Fax(801)567-4201 amansell@le.state.ut.us Majority Leader L. Steve Poulton Office(801)484-4477 Home(801)272-4338 Fax(801)486-7541 spoulton@le.state.ut.us Majority Whip John Valentine Home(801)224-1693 jvalenti@le.state.ut.us Assistant Majority Whip Peter Knudson Home(435)723-2035 pknudson@le.state.ut.us Minority Leader Mike Dmitrich Office(435)637-2875 Home(435)637-0426 mdmitric@le.state.ut.us Minority Whip Ron Allen Office SLC(801)977-0100 Fax(801)882-6377 rallen@le.state.ut.us Assistant Minority Whip Pete Suazo Office(801)328-8181 Home(801)521-3751 rallen@le.state.ut.us -----------------------cut and paste Republican Leadership email----------- amansell@le.state.ut.us ; spoulton@le.state.ut.us ; jvalenti@le.state.ut.us ; pknudson@le.state.ut.us --------------------cut and paste Democratic Leadership email----------------------- mdmitric@le.state.ut.us ; rallen@le.state.ut.us ; rallen@le.state.ut.us Full Senate Contact Info: Dist. 1 Salt Lake Paula F. Julander (D) pjulander@le.state.ut.us 1467 Penrose Dr. Salt Lake City, Utah 84103 Office(801)538-1405 Home(801)363-0868 Dist. 2 Salt Lake Pete Suazo (D) Assistant Minority Whip psuazo@le.state.ut.us 1307 Garnette Street Salt Lake City UT 84116 Office(801)328-8181 Home(801)521-3751 Dist. 3 Salt Lake Gene Davis (D) Minority Caucus Manager gdavis@le.state.ut.us 865 Parkway Ave Salt Lake City, Utah 84106 Office(801)263-7108 Home(801)484-9428 Dist. 4 Salt Lake Howard A. Stephenson (R) hstephen@le.state.ut.us 1038 East 13590 South Utah Draper, Utah 84020 Office(801)972-8814 Home(801)576-1022 Fax(801)973-2324 Dist. 5 Salt Lake D. Chris Buttars (R) dbuttars@le.state.ut.us 9241 S. Lisa Ave. West Jordan, Utah 84088 phone(801)561-0535 Dist. 6 Salt Lake Michael G.Waddoups (R) mwaddoup@le.state.ut.us 2005 West 5620 South Salt Lake City UT 84118 Office(801)355-1136 Home(801)967-0225 Dist. 7 Salt Lake Karen Hale (D) khale@le.state.ut.us 2564 Maywood Dr. Salt Lake City, Utah 84109 Office(801)538-1086 Fax(801)484-1123 Dist. 8 Salt Lake Carlene M. Walker (R) cwalker@le.state.ut.us 4085 E. Prospector Dr. Salt Lake City, Utah 84121 Phone(801)733-4599 Dist. 9 Salt Lake L. Steven Poulton (R) Majority Leader spoulton@le.state.ut.us 4524 Briarcreek Dr. Salt Lake City, Utah 84117 Office(801)484-4477 Home(801)272-4338 Fax(801)486-7541 Dist. 10 Salt Lake L. Alma "Al" Mansell (R) President amansell@le.state.ut.us 6995 Union Park Ctr. #100 Midvale, Utah 84047 Office (801)567-4200 Home(801)942-6019 Fax(801)567-4201 Dist. 11 Salt Lake Ed P Mayne (D) emayne@le.state.ut.us 5044 West Bannock Circle West Valley City, Utah 84120 Office(801)972-2771 Home(801)968-7756 Fax(801)972-9344 Dist. 12 Salt Lake Millie M. Peterson (D) mpeterso@le.state.ut.us 7131 West 3800 South West Valley City, Utah 84128 Home(801)250-5944 Dist. 13 Salt Lake, Tooele Ron Allen (D) Minority Whip rallen@le.state.ut.us 835 Lakeview Stansbury Park, Utah 84074 Office SLC(801)977-0100 Fax(801)882-6377 Dist. 14 Utah John L. Valentine (R) Majority Whip jvalenti@le.state.ut.us 857 East 970 North Orem, Utah 84057 Home(801)224-1693 Dist. 15 Utah Parley Hellewell (R) phellewe@le.state.ut.us 492 South 1000 West Orem, Utah 84058 Home(801)226-3034 Dist. 16 Utah Curtis S. Bramble (R) cbramble@le.state.ut.us 3663 N. 870 E. Provo, Utah 84604 Phone(801)373-1040 Dist. 17 Utah Bill Wright (R) bwright@le.state.ut.us P.O, Box 178 Elberta,Utah 84626 Phone(801)667-3333 Dist. 18 Davis, Weber D. Edger Allen (D) eallen@le.state.ut.us 4317 Fern Dr. Ogden, Utah 84403 Home(801)392-1050 Dist. 19 Weber, Morgan Dave Gladwell (R) dgladwell@le.state.ut.us 3159 N. 1075 E. Ogden, Utah 84414 Phone(801)782-4130 Dist. 20 Weber Scott K. Jenkins (R) sjenkins@le.state.ut.us 4385 W. 1975 N. Plain City, Utah 84404 Phone(801)731-5120 Dist. 21 Davis David H. Steele (R) dsteele@le.state.ut.us 3376 West 400 North West Point, Utah 84015 Office(801)538-7824 Home(801)825-3033 Dist. 22 Davis Terry Spencer (R) tspencer@le.state.ut.us 1110 North Kimberly Dr. Layton, Utah 84302 Home(801)543-4450 Dist. 23 Davis Dan R. Eastman (R) deastman@le.state.ut.us 968 Canyon Creast Dr. Bountiful,Utah 84010 Phone(801)295-5133 Dist. 24 Box Elder, Cache Peter C. Knudson (R) Assistant Majority Whip pknudson@le.state.ut.us 1209 Michelle Dr. Brigham City, Utah 84302 Home(435)723-2035 Dist. 25 Rich, Summit Lyle W. Hillyard (R) lhillyar@le.state.ut.us 175 East First North Logan, Utah 84321 Office(435)752-2610 Home(435)753-0043 Dist. 26 Daggett, Duchesne, Summit, Uintah, Wasatch Beverly Evans (R) bevans@le.state.ut.us HC 65, Box 36 Altamont, Utah 84001 Office(435)722-4523 Ext 126 Home(435)454-3719 Fax(435)454-3072 Dist. 27 San Juan, Grand, Emery, Kane, Washington Mike Dmitrich (D) Minority Leader mdmitric@le.state.ut.us 566 North Dover Circle Price, Utah 84501 Office(435)637-2875 Home(435)637-0426 Dist. 28 Sanpete, Sevier, Millard, Piute, Wayne, Beaver, Garfield Leonard M. Blackham (R) lblackha@le.state.ut.us P.O. Box 337 Moroni, Utah 84646 Office(435)436-8125 Home(435)436-8489 Dist. 29 Washington, Iron John W. (Bill) Hickman (R) jhickman@le.state.ut.us 214 N. Emeraud Dr. St. George, Utah 84770 Home(435)673-2671 --------------------------cut and paste Senate Email Addresses-------------- pjulander@le.state.ut.us ; psuazo@le.state.ut.us ; gdavis@le.state.ut.us ; hstephen@le.state.ut.us ; dbuttars@le.state.ut.us ; mwaddoup@le.state.ut.us ; khale@le.state.ut.us ; cwalker@le.state.ut.us ; spoulton@le.state.ut.us ; amansell@le.state.ut.us ; emayne@le.state.ut.us ; mpeterso@le.state.ut.us ; rallen@le.state.ut.us ; jvalenti@le.state.ut.us ; phellewe@le.state.ut.us ; cbramble@le.state.ut.us ; bwright@le.state.ut.us ; eallen@le.state.ut.us ; dgladwell@le.state.ut.us ; sjenkins@le.state.ut.us ; dsteele@le.state.ut.us ; tspencer@le.state.ut.us ; deastman@le.state.ut.us ; pknudson@le.state.ut.us ; lhillyar@le.state.ut.us ; bevans@le.state.ut.us ; mdmitric@le.state.ut.us ; lblackha@le.state.ut.us ; jhickman@le.state.ut.us --------------- ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: URGENT ALERT: Action needed on Gun Bills Date: 27 Feb 2001 11:40:31 -0700 All, As of right now, Senate leadership is sitting on our two good gun bills despite their previous promises to support these bills. We need to contact Senate leadership ASAP and let them know we want these bills supported and passed. ACTION ITEM: Please call Senate President L. Al Mansel and Senate Majority Leader L. Steven Poulton. A message for both may left in a single call by calling the Senate operater at 801-538-1035. We need to ring the capital switchboard phones off their hooks today and tomorrow. Ask them to release and support HB 376 S3 (Concealed Carry Recognition) *with friendly ammendments* and get it passed. Ask them to also release and support HB 264 S2 (Gun Safety Education) as is and get it passed. Please do not mention ANY other bills during this phone call. We recognize that gun owners have other areas of interest and passion, but we ask that you make seperate contact on those issues so that this issue is not blurred in the minds of legislators. Also--at this time and for this contact on these two bills--please do not mention or insinuate whether or how their actions on these two bills may affect your future voting or other actions. Simply ask them to keep their word by supporting these two bills. Please follow up this phone call with a fax and / or email to each of these two Senators. Faxes for both may be sent to the Senate fax machine at 801-538-1414. Email addresses are and . Then, a second phone call, this one to their homes (please do not call later than 10:00 pm) would also help. They will likely not be home by then so leave a message with a return phone number. (They aren't likely to call you back, but I find that asking someone to write down a phone number guarantees that they do, in fact, write down your message and it is more likely to get delivered.) Their home numbers are: Mansel (801) 942-6019, Poulton (801) 272-4338 Please make similar contact with your own State Senator asking him to work to get these two bills released and passed. Finally, please forward the information in this alert to anyone you know who would be interested but is not likely to have already seen it. Thank you. Senate Switchboard 801-538-1035. Senate Fax: 801-538-1414. =============Sample Phone message to Capital============ You: "Hello. I'd like to leave a message for Senate President Mansel and Senate Majority Leader Poulton." Operator: "What is your name?" You: "My name is _________." Operatort: "And your phone number?" You: "My phone number is _________" Operator: "What is your message?" You (speaking a bit slower so operator can type message) : "Please support HB 376 S3 with friendly amendments and get it passed. Please also support HB 264 S2 and get it passed. Thank you." Operator: "Thank you for calling. Have a nice day." You: "Thank you." ========================================================= ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT ALERT! GUN BILLS IN DANGER! Date: 27 Feb 2001 11:56:48 -0700 More info on gun bills from UTGOA. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control --------- Forwarded message ---------- Please forward! SENATE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP is trying to kill our gun bills! Senate Republican leadership has apparently caved in to pressure from anti-gunners, perhaps even Gov. Leavitt himself! They have so far refused to put HB 376S3 (Concealed Carry Recognition) or HB 264S2 (Gun Safety Education) on the Senate schedule. With the legislative session ending tomorrow, this delay can only be interpreted as a plan to kill pro-gun legislation. Over the weekend, Utah Gun Owners Alliance spoke with both Senate President Al Mansell and Majority Leader Steven Poulton. Both of them said specifically that they supported HB 376S3 and would make sure it passed. Sen. Poulton even agreed to sponsor the bill. Now Rep. Donnelson says they're refusing to put his HB 376S3 on the schedule at all! Don't let our gun bills die! WHAT YOU MUST DO! 1. Call Senate President Al Mansell, and Sen. Steve Poulton. Remind them that they promised to support our pro-gun bills and that you expect them to do so. You want them to put both bills on the schedule right away, and to do everything possible to make sure they pass with friendly amendments. Do NOT accept any excuses, and do NOT make ANY threats of any kind. They either support gun rights or they don't. Don't let them confuse you. If they support gun rights, they'll put our bills on the schedule and vote for them. If they don't, then they don't support gun rights - no matter what they say. 2. Call YOUR Senator. Ask him/her to do everything possible to make sure that gun bills get put on the schedule - and to make sure they pass with friendly amendments. You can reach all Senators TODAY by calling 801-538-1035. You can send emails by going to www.utahsenate.org Al Mansell, amansell@le.state.ut.us, 801-942-6019 Steven Poulton, spoulton@le.state.ut.us, 801-272-4338 You can also send faxes to 538-1414 (R) or 538-1449 (D) Remember - Be assertive. But NO THREATS of any kind. They either support gun rights or they don't. YOU MUST CALL TODAY OR OUR GUN BILLS WILL BE KILLED! Thanks! Just ONE MORE DAY to go, so please hang in there. With your help, we'll have some solid pro-gun legislation passed this year. Full update to follow this evening. Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson PO Box 1185 Sandy, UT 84091 801-566-1625 http://www.utgoa.org Director@utgoa.org PLEASE SUPPORT UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE! JOIN US TODAY! Did someone forward this to you? Please SUBSCRIBE NOW! That way you'll receive our FREE alerts as soon as they're released. During the legislative session, we send urgent, time limited alerts. 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Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no changes are made, UTGOA is clearly credited, and this message is left intact. Archives of the UTGOA alerts can be found at: http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. is a Utah non-profit corporation. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: ALERT: More calls needed on pro-gun bill Date: 27 Feb 2001 15:46:07 -0700 Senate Leadership is still sitting on our pro-gun bills, though they are now claiming they are not trying to kill them, "they just aren't on the calender yet." Well, we all know that at this point in the session, any bill that leadership doesn't put on the calendar, leadership has effectively killed. This is unacceptable. HB 376 S3 passed the house by a HUGE margin and with every Republican but one (and that was Tyler who everyone calls a Democrat anyway) and three Democrats supporting it. Either our Senators and Senate Leadership support our gun rights or they don't. If they do, they will get these bills on the calander and get them passed. If they don't get them on the calander and get them passed, then they are clearly unsupportive or even hostile to our RKBA. Please, if you haven't called yet, do it now. If you have, call again and then encourage your spouse, a friend, or a neighbor or relative to call. Messages for all Senators may be left at 801-538-1035. With a single call you can leave a message for several Senators. Please call and leave a message for Senate President Mansell, Senate Majority Leader L. Steven Poulton, and your own Senator. Please note that we've received reports that HB 264 "Gun Safety Education" may have been amended into an anti-gun bill by removing the "value neutral" language. If true, this would allow schools to have Sarah Brady come in to teach gun "safety." For this reason, please focus on HB376 S3 for now. Also, we're receiving reports that House Leadership may be cooling to the idea of actually acting on HB 376 S3 should a much needed amendment be passed in the Senate. Therefore, please also begin calling Speaker Stephens, Majority Leader Kevin Garn, and your own Representative and ask them to see to it that HB 376 S3 receive speedy action and pass once the Senate returns it. Messages for all Representatives may be left at 801-538-1029. Additionally, Speaker Stephens may be reached at the Speaker's office at 801-538-1930. Please call now. Also, if possible, please attend the closing hours of the session tomorrow. A pro-gun group will be meeting outside the house chambers at 6:30pm to organize and figure out how to best keep an eye on things. If you can't make it then, come whenever you can. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: URGENT ALERT on Gun bills. Date: 28 Feb 2001 11:42:15 -0700 HB 376 S3 is about ready to get its final hearing and vote in the Senate. We have two issues at this time. First, we understand that Senator Spencer is preparing to offer a hostile amendment. Spencer's amendment would limit the time frame Utah would honor out-of-state permits to 60 days. Should this pass, Utah's informal agreement with some 12 other States to honor each other's permits would certainly cease to exist. It is also highly unlikely that the 8 states posed to recognize Utah's permits if we recognize their permits would consider this time limit as acceptable and would, therefore, not recognize our permits. Finally, as you CCW permit holders know, it takes longer than 60 days to obtain a Utah CCW. Thus, if someone moved here with a valid out-of-state permit, their permit would expire and they would be unable to legally carry prior to obtaining a Utah permit. We need to oppose Sen. Spencer's amendment. Second, the bill currently contains too large of a fiscal note to be allowed to become law if passed today. There is a friendly amendment that will correct this issue. This is "amendment 4." We need to support this amendment. ACTION ITEM: PLEASE call the Senate at once. Leave a message for your own Senator, Senate President Mansell, Majority Leader Poulton, and also Sen. Bramble (who is Senate sponsor of the bill). Ask them to oppose Sen. Spencer's amendment and to support "Amendment 4" as written. Messages should be left at 801-538-1035. Please then contact friends, family, etc who do not regularly read email and ask them to call. We can win this, but only with a supreme effort from gun owners right now, this morning. Today is the final day. Hang in there for a few more hours. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT GUN BILL UPDATE Date: 28 Feb 2001 11:46:33 -0700 I've just called the Senate, and HB 376 S3 IS CURRENTLY BEING DEBATED. Please call at once and ask your message to be hand delived. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control --------- Forwarded message ---------- URGENT GUN BILL UPDATE! It turns out that the information give to Utah Gun Owners Alliance earlier today about Senate leadership "holding" HB 376-S3 (Concealed Carry Recognition) was incorrect, even though it came from bill sponsor Glenn Donnelson. The mixup started when the Senate did not post a list of new bills to be considered today, which led to the incorrect conclusion that they were "holding" the bill. As you can imagine, there are some very hurt feelings on the part of the Senators who have been working hard to support this bill! The following people have committed to supporting HB 376-S3 with friendly amendments. Senate President Al Mansell Senate Majority Leader Steve Poulton Senate Rules Chair Mike Waddoups Sen. Curt Bramble (who is the Senate sponsor and has been enthusiastically supporting the bill all along!) Also: Sen. Ed Mayne Sen. Dave Gladwell Sen. Chris Buttars There may be others who have not made their support public. Please make sure you THANK these people for their support for Concealed Carry Recognition! If you sent a rude or threatening email, please APOLOGIZE! You can reach them by calling 801-538-1035. You can send email by going to www.utahsenate.org and using the Senate email system. Faxes for all except Sen. Mayne can be sent to 538-1414, and to Sen. Mayne at 538-1449. Full contact information is on the Utah Gun Owners Alliance web site at www.utgoa.org Although it was an entirely honest mistake, Utah Gun Owners Alliance apologizes for disseminating incorrect information. We appreciate the support these Senators are showing for HB 376-S3. We say this over and over, but some of you are still not listening. DO NOT THREATEN LEGISLATORS! That includes political threats such as saying you'll remove them from office. All you need to say is that you want the legislator to vote YES (or NO) on a given bill or issue. Please make sure you THANK the Senator listed above. If your Senator is not on this list, please POLITELY ask him/her to support HB 376-S3, Concealed Carry Recognition. Thanks! Sarah Thompson, M.D. http://www.utgoa.or To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: UTGOA-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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