From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Tales of the Garrison State Date: 05 Aug 2002 12:55:10 -0600 "President Andrew Johnson declared: "Whenever you hear a man prating about the Constitution, spot him as a traitor."" http://www.jbs.org/reviewonline/072802_transcript.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Fw: HEY ALL YOU HACKERS! eBusiness: HP wins IRS contract Date: 07 Aug 2002 18:07:01 -0600 NB: HP contributes to the gun-grabbers. -------- Original Message -------- Reply-To: ice-bucket-owner@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:43 AM By Larry Dignan Special to ZDNet News August 7, 2002, 7:32 AM PT http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1106-948746.html Hewlett-Packard said Wednesday that it won a $35 million contract to supply desktop and notebook PCs to the Internal Revenue Service. Under the deal, HP will supply the IRS with more than 12,300 Compaq Evo D500 desktop PCs and monitors and more than 11,000 Compaq Evo N800 notebooks through PlanetGov, a Chantilly, Va.-based systems integrator that serves the federal government. In a statement, HP touted the deal and called it "a competitive win-back" because the IRS had been a longtime Compaq Computer customer before switching to an unnamed rival. HP, which has announced similar deals recently, is trying to deflect concerns that rivals such as Dell Computer will poach customers while HP works to absorb Compaq. The IRS, which is trying to upgrade its systems, is a plum account for a technology company. In recent days, PC makers have been touting customer wins in an effort to show they are doing well amid weak IT spending. On Tuesday, Dell Computer said Sears Roebuck will use its gear to update the technology infrastructure at 870 stores. Dell didn't reveal financial details of the deal, but sources said it is valued at $15 million to $20 million. Under the deal, Sears will buy 1,800 PowerEdge 2500 servers, seven PowerVault 220S storage systems, 3,700 OptiPlex GX50 desktops, and 14,600 Dell E551 and E771p monitors. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ICE - Investigating Curious Evidence Web site: http://iresist.com/ice/ E-mail: ice@iresist.com ***************************************************** IceBucket Information Updates List Subscription: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ice-bucket/ Subscribe: ice-bucket-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: ice-bucket-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: 2nd Amendment and the original Militia Date: 15 Aug 2002 08:43:57 -0600 -------- Original Message -------- RE:SECOND AMENDMENT To the Editor, Here is the rest of the story about how the 'militia' was to be provided arms by the national government: Volume 1, United States Statutes-at-Large "Fifth Congress, Session II, Chapter 65, page 576" "An Act providing Arms for the Militia throughout the United States" July 06, 1798 Sect. 1 Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That there shall be provided, at the charge and expense of the government of the United States, thirty thousand stand of arms, which shall be deposited by order of the President of the United States, at suitable places; for the purpose of being sold to the governments of the respective States, or the militia thereof, under such regulations, and at such prices as the President of the United States shall prescribe. Sect. 2 And be it further enacted, That the President of the United States be, and he is hereby authorized to cause all or any part of the arms herein directed to be provided and deposited for sale, which shall, at any time, remain unsold, to be delivered to the militia, when called into the service of the United States, proper receipts and security being given for the return of same." Please be fully aware of the fact, that the 'arms provided' were to be sold to the States or to the MILITIA. Those arms not sold, could be loaned to the MILITIA, but only if receipts and proper security were given in return for the loan of the arm. Please also note, that the arms were to be sold to the 'governments of the respective States' or 'the MILITIA thereof'. If the MILITIA were part of the State, why would Congress expressly designate the sale of arms to either the 'government of the respective States', or 'the MILITIA thereof'? Notice also in the title of the Act, the term of art 'state militia' is not used to designate the MILITIA that can purchase or use these arms. If the MILITIA were part of the 'respective States', why then would Congress offer sale of the arms to the two different entities as in Sect. 1; 'governments of the respective States' OR 'the MILITIA thereof'? If the MILITIA were part of the State government, then the arms sold to the 'respective States' would then also belong to the 'State militia'. NO? What you see here documented in writing, is that Congress separated the States from the MILITIA. NO arms were to be given to the MILITIA, only that they were to be loaned to the MILITIA should the MILITIA volunteer to serve under the President for pay. Any and all volunteer MILITIA members, could purchase AT COST, those military style arms, that were manufactured to government specifications, and were to be made available for the MILITIA, should they need to purchase same. In today's terms, you could go down to your local military depot, and purchase at cost, a fully automatic arm to use while a member of the MILITIA, and then keep same for your own use, even after you were no longer a member of the volunteer Citizen MILITIA. I hope these facts will help clear up the confusion over just who the MILITIA is. The above Act of Congress, was signed by President Washington. Yours, Don Schwarz Stoughton, Mass >>>>>>> By DEFAULT, when Congress or the People speak of the 'militia', it is the one comprised of sovereign Citizens, for by default, this is the only one that existed when this nation was created. <<<<< - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Charlton's Angels: Women Against Gun Control Date: 16 Aug 2002 13:35:27 -0600 Reply-To: wagc-ut-owner@yahoogroups.com CC: WomenAgainstGunControl@yahoogroups.com Greetings, Utah Weekly, a new conservative publication, called me to do a story on Women and Guns. They wanted to put the Utah Bikini Team on the cover with guns. I said: 1. We do not sexualize guns. 2. The Utah Bikini team has never helped lobby for any gun rights. 3. The Utah Bikini team will alienate women. This is not about fashion models with guns. This is about moms and women protecting their children and those they love. 4. There's more to women than B and B! 5. I said a few more things on how women should inspire men to be better men, not just inspire them to want their bodies! Anyway, Utah Weekly was very understanding and agreed with me. They are a VERY fine publication. I agreed to be photographed with a gun as long I was shooting. I asked two other members of WAGC to join the shooting fun. After a half hour of shooting cameras and guns, :) one of the ladies said, let's do a Charlie's Angels pose for Charlton Heston. That was the pose that turned out best. (WAGC's policy is to have eye and ear protection on and to be very careful how you are photographed with a gun.) That's the pose on the cover story of Utah Weekly. Charton's Angels: Women Against Gun Control Underneath that is the caption on the WAGC page about gun control and pantyhose... Utah Weekly did a very fine job of reporting. They really did the RKBA movement good. I gave the reporter several names of people and gun groups to interview in Utah and the nation. Because of space and time restrictions, he was not able to interview all of them. Nancy Herrington is mentioned in the article. He interviewed Susan Gonzales of WAGC-FL and she told her incredible story of self-defense. He tells the history of WAGC. Again, I don't typically like to do posing with gun shots, but this worked. We were at Holladay Gun Club and the mountains behind us are magnificent. We look like "soccer moms" defending gun rights. That's the image WAGC wants to portray. That's how we win people to our cause. (BTW, I'm not a soccer mom. I'm a music mom. I don't mean to alienate those who aren't moms or soccer moms. That's just the slang word ad guys use when they're targeting their audience.) Women Against Gun Control is just that. It's not WOMAN against gun control. It would not be women against gun control without all the incredible ladies and men who have made WAGC work. Thanks to everyone who works so hard for the right to keep and bear arms. I'm a bit overwhelmed at the interest in this issue. I had no idea what I was getting into. I don't know if I would have ever said, "not all women support gun control" if I would've known how much this statement would turn my life upside down. But what makes it worth it is the people I meet, let me rephrase that, the PATRIOTS I meet who care about our freedom. I want to especially thank Nancy Herrington, WAGC EVP. Without her, WAGC would not be in every state in the U.S. and several foreign countries. She volunteers countless thousands of hours to this cause. She is certainly one of "Charlton's Angels." :) Utah Weekly is on-line at: http://www.utah-weekly.com/ They don't have this issue up yet. I'm going to call and hound the editor to hurry up and get this on-line. Best regards, Janalee Tobias, one of Charlton's Angels P.S. Feel free to call yourself a Charlton's angel. It's pretty catchy. P.S.S. There's a few things that Charlton has done that has upset some staunch RKBA supporters, but for the most part, Charlton is my hero. He was a well-respected, rich actor. He had made his name in movie history. He didn't need to take on a cause. Because of Charlton, he has offset the liberal media. People like Heston and Tom Selleck. Man, they are high caliber men!!! :) This is an announce list only. If you have info you'd like to forward to the list, please send it mailto:wagc-ut-owner@yahoogroups.com. To subscribe, send a blank message mailto:wagc-ut-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. The WAGC homepage is at http://www.wagc.com/ . - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles C Hardy Subject: Judicial Council makes temp rule permanent Date: 16 Aug 2002 16:10:20 -0600 I just took a call from a SLTrib reporter. Apparantly the State Judicial Council today made permament the temporary rule they passed in May whereby the courtrooms are no longer "secure" areas and are thus, alledgely, not subject to the gun locker requirement. Of course, metal detectors remain and the judges are banning CCW under threat of contempt of court. This decision opens up some kind of 45 day comment period. I'll work to find out how to comment and will then urge everyone to voice their disapproval of this action. Among the points I made: We must not forget that the judges first action was to refuse to comply with the law. Only later did they go looking for a legally defensable reason. The principles involved in this case could be applied exactly equally to the ADA or Utah Clean Air Act or any other statute. If the judges are free to disobey the laws they don't like, we might as well send the legislature home and let the juges be kings. Legislative intent was clear. Government run places that prohibit guns need to provide storage. Leaving guns in cars or bushes is much less safe than storing them with the court. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles C Hardy Subject: Updating your Concealed Carry Permit Information Date: 19 Aug 2002 14:44:15 -0600 Many of you may have already seen this and I have not verified it personally. However, I have no reason to doubt it and it is certainly the kind of thing government agencies are known for. In any event, better safe than sorry so if you have a CCW permit and change addresses, you'll probably want to check with BCI and get the permit updated quickly. Charles --------- Forwarded message ---------- I just spoke with BCI. They said that if you move, for example, your carry permit is INVALID. They said that if you update your drivers license to reflect your new address then....for the timeperiod between which the information on your DL and Permit do NOT match, then your permit is INVALID until it does match again (i.e. you also update your permit). I'm posting this just as an FYI. This looks like a good way for a good citizen to get in BIG trouble due to administrative technicalities in the statutes. Be careful! I wish the legislators could do something about this or the AG could issue a rule allowing a 10 or 30 day grace period or something, you know? Best Regards, ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -