From: Craig Kiernan Subject: unsubscribe Date: 01 Feb 1996 16:58:21 -0500 (EST) unsubscribe utah-firearms "Craig Kiernan" Subject: UT-USSC Alert #14 Date: 03 Feb 1996 15:08:58 -0700 >Utah Shooting Sports Council >1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #14 >Information Current as of 5:00 PM Thursday, 1 February 1996 > >If You Think Gun Control is a Dead Issue in Utah This Year...Think Again!!! > >1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device-Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) >This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah Criminal Code >entitled "External Locking Device Required on All Firearms." The bill will >require all persons licensed under 18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are >engaged in selling, leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any >member of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so >transferred with an external locking device which will temporarily prevent >the firearm from functioning when affixed to the firearm. Any person who >violates this law would be guilty of a class C misdemeanor, which under >current Utah law is punishable by up to 90 days imprisonment and a fine of >up to $750.00. >USSC provided opposing testimony and a demonstration as to the dangers >inherent in the proposed bill, and of the economic impact on Utah firearms >purchasers. Based on USSC estimates of prices of triggerlocks at retail and >the number of guns sold in Utah, this bill will cost YOU-Utah's Law-Abiding >Firearms 0wners- between $ 1-1/4 Million and $ 6-1/4 Million Dollars Each >and Every Year in additional out of pocket charges for the required locking >device. That's the direct cost to you. as a Utah firearms owner! >SB93 is now on the 2nd Reading Calendar of the Utah Senate, and will be >debated on the Senate Floor shortly. You must begin calling your Utah State >Senators TODAY and Keep calling until you hear the bill has been defeated. > >Your Action Required Call your member of the Utah State Senate at (801) >538-1035 or by fax at (801) 538-1414 and strongly urge them to vote AGAINST >SB 93 on the Senate Floor. > >HB192-Negligent Storage of a Firearm-Rep. David Jones (D-SLC) >This bill was scheduled to be heard in the House Energy, Natural Resources >and Agriculture Committee today at 8:00 AM. USSC announced the hearing on a >special EXTRA fax alert late yesterday. The sponsor informed USSC that he >had requested the committee hold the bill for later consideration This means >the bill will either come up at a future ENRA committee meeting, or return >to the House Rules Committee for further consideration and possible >re-assignment to another, possibly more favorable committee. Stay Tuned... > >HB196-Defining Unlawful Activities-Rep. Steve Barth (D-SLC) >This bill adds the entire Utah Wildlife Code to the Utah RICO statutes, >which would allow any wildlife code violation, whether a felony or >misdemeanor, that meets the state RICO standards to be prosecuted under the >State RICO laws. The sponsors intent is to provide a method for prosecutors >to punish poachers and those that traffic in wildlife for profit. The RICO >statutes were originally designed to combat organized crime and corruption, >and have been expanded in recent years to focus on a number of activities. >Abuses of law enforcement powers and legal processes under RICO have been >widespread and well documented. >As such, USSC proposed in the House Judiciary Committee that the bill be >amended to include only the felony portion of the wildlife code, which we >believe would give the state the tools they need to pursue poaching for >profit, while protecting the average sportsman from the potential abuses >under the RICO statutes- The USSC amendment was defeated, and the bill now >goes to the House for Floor Debate. Call your Utah House Member at (801) >538-1029 or fax to (801)538-1908 and ask them to limit the wildlife crimes >in HB196 to felony only. >Please Duplicate and Distribute this Information to as many Utah Firearms >Owners as Possible! Thanks >Utah Shooting Sports Council - Office of Legislative Affairs PO Box 711819, >Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819, Ph/Fax (801) 575-USSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sarah Thompson Subject: UT -USSC Alert #15 Week in Review Date: 03 Feb 1996 15:10:52 -0700 >Subject: USSC Alert #15 Week in Review > >Utah Shooting Sports Council 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #15 >Information Current as of 5:00 FM Friday 2 February 1996 > > >Utah Legislature 3rd Week Review >Legislative Actions This Week: > >1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) >This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah Criminal Code >entitled 'External Locking Device Required on All Firearms.' The bill will >require all persons licensed under 18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are >engaged in selling leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any >member of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so >transferred with an external locking device which will temporarily prevent >the firearm from functioning when affixed to the firearm. Any person who >violates this law would be guilty of a class C misdemeanor, which under >current Utah law is punishable by up to 90 days imprisonment and a fine of >up to $750.00. >USSC provided opposing testimony and a demonstration as to the dangers >inherent in the proposed bill and of the economic impact on Utah firearms >purchasers. Based on USSC estimates of prices of triggerlocks at retail and >the number of guns sold in Utah, this bill will cost YOU-Utah's Law-Abiding >Firearms Owners-between $ 1-1/4 Million and $ 6-1/4 Million Dollars Each and >Every Year in additional out of pocket charges for the required locking >device. That's the direct cost to you, as a Utah firearms owner! >SB93 is now on the 2nd Reading Calendar of the Utah Senate and will be >debated on the Senate Floor shortly. You must begin calling your Utah State >Senators TODAY and Keep calling until you hear the bill has been defeated. >You must make every possible effort to stop this bill in the Senate > >Your Action Required Call your member of the Utah State Senate at (801) >538-1035 or by fax at (801) 538-1414 and strongly urge them to vote AGAINST >SB 93 on the Senate Floor. > >HB192-Negilgent Storage of a Firearm-Rep. David Jones (D-SLC) >This bill will come up at 8:00AM on Monday 5 February in the ENRA committee >meeting in room 303 of the Capitol. This bill will create a strict liability >statute that will presume negligence on the part of any individual whose >loaded firearm is accessed by a minor under 16 and used to injure any other >person. This bill would reduce the level of proof required to win a civil >lawsuit against a firearm owner and create a near-certain contingent fee >lawsuit in the wake of a tragic accident. This would also impact numerous >firearms training and education programs for youth by drastically increasing >the potential legal liability for coaches instructors and range officers. >USSC asks that you contact the following members of the House Energy and >Natural Resources Committee this weekend and ask that they oppose HB192 in >Committee Monday morning, Brad Johnson 539-3227; David Ure 783-4650; Eli >Anderson 854-3760; Stephen Bodily 258-2844; Beverly Evans 454-3719; >Christine Fox 768-9637; Brent Goodfellow 968-0626; James Gowans 882-2120; >Tom Hatch 676-2214; Dennis Iverson 673-2936; Tom Matthews 472-8250; Tim >Moran 798-7160; Evan Olsen 752-4304; Jack Seitz 789-0650; Michael Styler >864-3077; Lamont Tyler 272-1218; Bill Wright 667-3333. > >HB196-Defining Unlawful Activities-Rep. Steve Barth (D-SLC) >This bill adds the entire Utah Wildlife Code to the Utah RICO statutes which >would allow any wildlife code violation whether a felony or misdemeanor that >meets the state RICO standards to be prosecuted under the State RICO laws. >The sponsors intent is to provide a method for prosecutors to punish >poachers and those that traffic in wildlife for profit. The RICO statutes >were originally designed to combat organized crime and corruption and have >been expanded in recent years to focus on a number of activities. Abuses of >law enforcement powers and legal processes under RICO have been widespread >and well documented. >As such USSC proposed in the House Judiciary Committee that the bill be >amended to include only the felony portion of the wildlife code which we >believe would give the state the tools they need to pursue poaching for >profit while protecting the average sportsman from the potential abuses >under the RICO statutes. The USSC amendment was defeated and the bill now >goes to the House for Floor Debate. Call your Utah House Member at >(801)538-1029 or tax to (801)538-1908 and ask them to limit the wildlife >crimes in HB196 to felony only. > >Please Duplicate and Distribute this Information to as many Utah Firearms >Owners as Possible! Thanks >Utah Shooting Sports Council - Office of Legislative Affairs >PC Box 711819, Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819, Ph/FAX (801) 575-USSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: ["Linda Muller": Phil Gramm Praises BATF Murders] Date: 04 Feb 1996 02:30:43 EST FYI, Forwarded. ------- Forwarded Message Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Dear Brigade, Enclosed please find: 1. Congressional Concurrent Resolution praising the actions of the BATF in the Waco and Ruby Ridge murders. It is sponsored by Phil Gramm and others. Friends, Gramm, who has been endorsed by the NRA, continues to claim he is a friend to gunowners. The NRA does not mention that they have been BOUGHT OFF by the enourmous amount of money Gramm has funneled into their organization and that several of his cronies are NRA board members! Larry Pratt, Executive Director of Gun Owners of America has endorsed Pat Buchanan and is doing everything in his power to inform gunowners about Dole and Gramms support of the gun-grabbing crime bill which includes the Feinstein Gun Ban. Gramm also voted for the anti-terrorist (read anti-second amendment) bill, S. 735. Which increased the BATF budget by $100 million. Phil Gramm helped Gorbachev raise funds here in our country so he could run for President in the re-established Soviet Union. Gramm hired Gorby in 1993 to speak at a Senate Inner Circle fundraiser...paid him $50+ thousand ....also helped him establish his Gorby Foundation in Frisco (W.Times 11/5/93) I have been going to EVERY Gun Show, Gun Shop here in Iowa trying to alert gunowners. (That's partially why I havent been doing the Updates or adding info to Pat's page). I went into a gun shop yesterday and the owner started yelling at me for lying about Gramm. He said he had called Gramm HQ and they said the Buchanan people were spreading lies! So I asked him to call them again and I got on the other phone to listen. Sure enough the Gramm camp said it was all a smear campaign. Then I called while the gun shop owner listened on the other phone. I was VERY polite, said I was a Gramm supporter but was confused by the info I had received from the Buchanan camp. They again said it was all lies. I pressed him further, quoting Bill numbers, newspaper articles, dates and exact qoutes from Gramm. They hung up on me!!! Still unsure, the shop owner called them back, this time asking for specifics...they hung up on him!!!! The next few minutes was amazing. The gun shop owner had stacks of Gramm info on his counter. He picked it all up, carried it outside and threw it in the dumpster!!!! He tore up his Gramm signs and threw them in too. Then he tried to burn them with matches but it was so cold (it's minus 20 degrees here) he couldnt get them to burn! This gun owner now has stacks of Pat Buchanan literature and Buchanan for President signs ALL OVER his shop!!!! He also goes to the gun shows and will pass out litrature for Pat as he travels through several states! I have never been so proud of getting one vote for Pat as I am in this instance. That one vote will reach so many others. So please, if you are concerned about our Right to Keep and Bear Arms, go to the gun shows, gun shops, shooting ranges and get the facts out. Print out the info from Larry Pratt, and all the other Second Amendment stuff I have on Pat's web site. Make copies and give this info to everyone. Remember Pat Buchanan has pledged to sponsor and support ALL efforts to: *Repeal the Crime Bill *Repeal the Assault Weapon Ban *Repeal the Brady Bill *Dismantle the BATF *Veto ANY law that infringes on the RKBA Note to: Voters in Iowa and Louisiana - Please join with us -- the Buchanan Brigade, and help us recruit Caucus goers. We need to pack the Caucus meetings with Constitutionalists and Gun Owners!!! We MUST arrive early and stay until the votes are called in. We need to monitor the vote call-in so they don't accidentially ;-< loose ANY of the votes for Pat when they are counting them up. I have heard that the Presidential vote will be taken immediately at the opening of the Caususes so show up EARLY!!! EVERY VOTE COUNTS!!! If you are in Louisiana OR Iowa, PLEASE CALL ME if you need Caucus info. Fill up your car with friends who will stand strong with Pat. Go in there and FIGHT because"this is a battle for the heart and soul of America"! My number is 1-800-856-2596, I'm volunteering in the Des Moines HQ. I should be in on Sunday from 1pm til 9pm and then in and out from 9am til 10pm Monday-Friday. I'm counting on you again, to please forward this Update across the USA and the Internet. Thanks Brigade for all you do! Linda - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 103d Congress 1st Session S. Con. Res. 12 To recognize the heroic sacrifice of the Special Agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in Waco, Texas. IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES March 2 (legislative day, JANUARY 5), 1993 Mr. DeConcini (for himself, Mr. Krueger, Mr. Bond, Mr. Kohl, Mr. D'Amato, Mr. Kerrey, Mr. Gramm, Mr. Chaffee, Mr. Johnson, and Mr. Specter) submitted the following concurrent resolution; which was considered and agreed to. CONCURRENT RESOLUTION To recognize the heroic sacrifice of the Special Agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in Waco, Texas. Whereas Special Agents Steve Willis, Robert J. Williams, Conway LeBleu and Todd McKeehan, of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, were killed by hostile gunfire in the performance of a heroic effort to disarm a hostile cult and to protest the lives of innocent persons, including children, living in its compound; Whereas these men, along with 15 other special agents who were wounded during this confrontation, were members of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms elite Special Response Teams, whose members are highly-trained and experienced in the execution of high-risk operations; Whereas such Special Response Teams have been deployed over 230 times in the past year with no injury to any agent, including during a highly-publicized siege involving a fugitive white supremacist and during the Los Angeles civil disturbances in 1992; Whereas 182 special agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms have been killed in the line of duty since prohibition; and Whereas the men and women of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms mourn the loss of their brother officers, but maintain discipline and a commitment to the protection of our citizen at the risk of their own lives on a daily basis; Now, therefore, be it 1 Resolved by the Senate (the House of Representatives 2 concurring), That the sacrifice and dedication of the 3 agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms 4 is a cornerstone of our system of justice and cause for 5 both sorrow and pride. - - - - - - - -end - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *****{{{{{{{{{{{{******************}}}}}}}}}}}}***** To join our "Buchanan Update" listserv send a note to: Linda T. Muller - lmuller@iquest.com - Web Author Official Pat Buchanan Internet Campaign Headquarters For complete information on Pat Buchanan and his campaign for the presidency please visit our web site at - http://www.buchanan.org - or call 1-800-GO PAT GO Buchanan for President Headquarters 6862 Elm Street, Suite 210, McLean, VA 22101 *****{{{{{{{{{{{{******************}}}}}}}}}}}}***** ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: How much crime starts when the police arrive? Date: 05 Feb 1996 12:03:22 EST -------- Not total justification in my mind, but an interesting viewpoint... ------- Forwarded Message Hi all, if anyone likes Vin's stuff as much as I do, you could send him a couple bucks at Vin Suprynowics c/o Las Vegas Review Journal PO BOX 70 Las Vegas Nevada 89125-0070 Vin does not know I added this section above his article. He makes his sole living by writing and as you would expect, articles like this do not get him govt grants or alot of sales in many pro govt papers. Gregg Tivnan ====================================================================== FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED FEB. 5, 1996 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz How much crime starts when the police arrive? Statistics show violent crime is down all over. But despite that, the headlines and TV news seem to be full of almost daily shoot-outs between police and "bad guys." Before we conclude we need to hire more cops and give them even more unconstitutional powers, news consumers have a duty to ask an important question: were these men "dangerous criminals" before there homes were invaded, or before they were stopped and bothered on the highway? If police get into a gun battle while trying to arrest a culprit who's trying to escape after robbing a bank, the risks they take can indeed be heroic, and deserve praise. But what about the shooting which put two police officers and homeless cripple Miguel Angel Gomez, 44, of tiny Fallon, Nevada, in the hospital on Jan. 19? Gomez, who survived on disability checks and walked with the aid of crutches, was apparently living out of his car in the small farming town 380 miles northwest of Las Vegas. On the Friday afternoon in question, he was parked at the local exit off Interstate 15, holding a sign that read: "Need gas." State Trooper Antony Skordoulis pulled over at 4:11 p.m. "The officer was trying to help a motorist," says state Highway Patrol spokesman Steve Harney. Maybe. After Trooper Skordoulis ran a "wants and warrants" check on Gomez' license plate and it came up clean, the Harney states the trooper told Gomez he would have to pat him down before going for gasoline. Really? Would a middle-aged white woman in a new-model car be "patted down" in this circumstance? To protect himself on the edge of the Nevada desert, Mr. Gomez, perhaps a worthless bum, perhaps just "down on his luck," owned a handgun, which was concealed on his person. His right to bear such an arm is guaranteed by the 2nd and 14th Amendments to the Constitution. In Vermont, where no permit is required to so carry a weapon, this "tragic situation" would never have developed. But what do you suppose went through Mr. Gomez's mind when he was told to turn and face the car for a search? The officer was going to find this crippled hobo's weapon, for which he obviously couldn't afford the costly rigamarole of acquiring a permit, which in Nevada would include driving to Las Vegas for multiple marksmanship classes - even assuming the state bureaucrats wouldn't find some excuse to turn down his application, and seize his weapon for good measure. Once his weapon was found, Mr. Gomez would be arrested. Not being a pillar of the community and unable to afford bail, he might rot in jail for some time. By the time he got out, both his pistol and his car - the last things he apparently owned in the world - would be beyond recovery. The towing and "storage" fees alone would guarantee that. So Mr. Gomez drew his gun and fired, wounding Trooper Skordoulis in the leg. Skordoulis dove for cover and returned fire, informing dispatchers that Gomez was "hopping toward the patrol car" without his crutches. When the gunman couldn't get the patrol car running, the officer's "assailant" hopped back to his own vehicle and locked himself inside. SWAT units arrived and drove Gomez from his car by shooting tear gas grenades into the vehicle. Gomez shot one of the SWAT officers in the armpit, and was himself shot in the head and chest. Trooper Skordoulis was treated for two gunshot wounds to the leg and is doing fine. The Las Vegas SWAT officer was not identified, and his condition was not immediately known. Mr. Gomez was in critical condition the next day in a Las Vegas hospital, on life support, with gunshot wounds to the head and chest. He was charged, of course, with "attempted murder of a police officer." Who's responsible? Does anyone believe Mr. Gomez had worked out a complicated plot to hitch a ride in a state trooper's patrol car, at which point he would pull his hidden gun, shoot or kidnap the officer, and make his getaway in the black-and-white? I don't think so. Was it a sensible precaution for Trooper Skordoulis to pat down Mr. Gomez before offering him a ride? Possibly. Except that it's highly unlikely he intended to offer him a ride. Troopers use their radios to call tow trucks to deliver gasoline. No, all these injuries are the fault of the Nevada state legislators who made reaching for his gun the last chance Mr. Gomez had to preserve his liberty - the lawmakers who violated the Second Amendment by passing a law against carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. The proper response of a peace officer upon discovering someone is armed near sundown in an isolated location is to say: "and darned smart of you, too, sir. Now be sure and handle that weapon safely, and have a good evening." This case is not unique. On Dec. 30, 19-year-old Daniel Jimenez tried to make a getaway in a stolen police car in downtown Las Vegas after cops pulled him over on a "routine traffic stop." Finding a handgun and a small quantity of drugs after a warrantless search, Vegas cops handcuffed the limber young man and told him his car was being seized. The young man slipped the handcuffs under his feet and drove away in the police car. An officer was dragged down the street hanging onto the door, firing his service revolver into Jimenez, who ended up - of course - in critical condition on life support, and charged with "attempted murder of a police officer." But again, the man who was shot after having all his worldly goods seized had not been a fleeing bank robber. He'd been pulled over on a minor beef by officers anxious to find drugs and guns and seize another car - punishments out of all proportion to the alleged "offenses." There is no "lawless underclass" creating all this mayhem. These folks need their handguns to provide the protection for which they know they can't depend on the police. (The courts have held you can't sue the police for failing to protect you.) Lay the blame for this mayhem at the feet of the lawmakers in the fancy $500 suits at the state capital. They figure someone else will always take the bullets for their unnatural sexual assaults on the Constitution, while they win perpetual re-election by claiming to be "tough on crime." Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. *** Vin Suprynowicz vin@intermind.net "I sense that he's concealing something." -- D. Troi ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: ["Linda Muller": Louisiana Gov. Foster Endorses Pat!] Date: 05 Feb 1996 23:29:40 EST I don't know if you all will consider this entirely relevant to utah-firearms, but I think it as least periphially related as Pat does appear to be one of, if not THE, strongest supporters of RKBA in the race. Besides, it's not like we're drowning in too much volume. - ------- Forwarded Message Dear Brigade, Enclosed please find: 1. Note from HQ to the Brigade 2. Pat's endorsement by Louisiana Governor 3. Press Release on Pat's win in Alaska Friends, We have won the first battle of the Second American Revolution! Thanks go to the Alaska Brigade, for getting out the vote for Pat and for going up against the big spenders. Just goes to show that all the money, insider connections and media bias is not enough to stop our crusade! Our next fight for the restoration of our Constitution will be fought in Louisiana on Tuesday February 6th. Brigades, you know the battle plan...get in there and stand strong for Pat Buchanan. Call your friends, family and neighbors, load up your car with other Brigadeers and go to your Caucus. Special Note: Please find at least 2 Brigadeers who can stay to poll watch. Please keep track of the votes, we don't want ANY lost due to vote fraud. Poll watchers will need to arrive early and stay late, but it might make the difference between a win or loss. All of us are counting on you, the Louisiana Brigade, to win the second battle of our Revolution! God speed to all! Linda - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - For Immediate Release: February 2, 1996 Governor Mike Foster of Louisiana Endorses Pat Buchanan! Governor Mike Foster is supporting Pat Buchanan in his race for the presidency. Coming off the heels of the Alaska victory, we are most appreciative of your support, enthusiasm and energy. Keep up the good work...Go Pat Go! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - For Immediate Release: January 2, 1996 Governor Mike Foster Statement on Louisiana Republican Caucus "Next Tuesday, I like many Republicans in Louisiana, will vote in the Louisiana Republican Caucus to decide the Republican nominee. I will cast my vote for Pat Buchanan. I appreciate the attention that Pat Buchanan has paid to the Republican voters of Louisiana. While his opponents are good people, I find that I agree with Pat Buchanan more, particularly on his willingness to speak out to change the federal court system by stopping the lifetime appointments of federal judges as well as his staunch support of pro-life and the Second Amendment." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - For Immediate Release: January 30, 1996 Buchanan wins Alaska with 32% of vote! First election contest of '96 deals blow to Dole, Gramm and Forbes. McLean, VA -- Republican presidential candidate Patrick J. Buchanan won the first vote contest of the 1996 presidential campaign. Buchanan won the Alaska caucus with 32.7 percent of the vote, winning a key early victory in the '96 season. The results were a blow to the Dole, Gramm, and Forbes campaign, all of which put in a substantial effort to gain an early victory. Buchanan 32.7% Forbes 30.8% Dole 17.2% Keyes 9.8% Gramm 8.7% Dornan, Lugar, Alexander <0.5%> Other <0.5% Alaskans voted in a three-day caucus throughout the state from January 27-29, structured along the same lines as the Iowa caucuses. Alaskan elecion officials told CNN that voter turnout was "unusually high." The Alaska contest was a key early test of strength for candidates looking to emerge from a field of eight GOP contenders. "This is an early victory for our campaign in the first real vote test in the '96 elections. The two GOP outsiders won the day, but our ground troops won a decisive victory over Steve Forbes' air corps." said Buchanan campaign chairman Angela "Bay" Buchanan. Buchanan visited Alaska twice and did some mailings and advertising, compared to Forbes who also campaigned in the state and spent heavily on advertising and phone banking. Dole phone banked and mailed heavily, but did not visit Alaska (Mrs. Dole campaigned in the state). Despite these efforts, Dole came no where near his national poll numbers. Gramm campaign chief Charlie Black recently told the conservative weekly Human Events that Gramm was expecting "nothing lower than second place" in Alaska. Gramm was heavy on radio and in the mail. He even took out an 11th hour appeal in the Anchorage Daily News. Ms. Buchanan said the caucus victory demonstrates that "Pat Buchanan can defeat both the career politicians and the very wealthy outsiders." She concluded: "By beating Gramm by 4-1 and Dole by 2-1 the message to Louisiana and Iowa caucus goers is that Pat Buchanan is the only conservative candidate who can defeat Bob Dole and Steve Forbes. The message to social conservatives is that there is now only one candidate who shares their view, who can go the distance and defeat the pro-choice Forbes and the questionably pro-life Bob Dole." - - - - - - - - - -end - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *****{{{{{{{{{{{{******************}}}}}}}}}}}}***** To join our "Buchanan Update" listserv send a note to: Linda T. Muller - lmuller@iquest.com - Web Author Official Pat Buchanan Internet Campaign Headquarters For complete information on Pat Buchanan and his campaign for the presidency please visit our web site at - http://www.buchanan.org - or call 1-800-GO PAT GO Buchanan for President Headquarters 6862 Elm Street, Suite 210, McLean, VA 22101 *****{{{{{{{{{{{{******************}}}}}}}}}}}}***** - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sarah Thompson Subject: UT - USSC Alert #16 Date: 06 Feb 1996 00:44:03 -0700 >Utah Shooting Sports Council >1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #16 >Information Current as of 5:00 PM Monday 5 February 1996 > >HB192 Delayed ( Yet Again) by Sponsor in Committee!! >HB192-Negligent Storage of a Firearm-Rep. David Jones (D-SLC) > This bill was scheduled to come up at 8:00 AM on Monday, 5 February in the >ENRA committee meeting in room 303 of the Capitol. However, the sponsor, >for the second time has asked that the bill be held until a later date >before being heard. This tactic is sometimes used to delay a bill, and to >weaken opposition be "crying wolf" once too often. What ever the reason, >you must continue to contact the members of the House ENRA Committee and >strongly urge them to oppose this bill. > This bill will create a strict liability statute that will presume >negligence on the part of any individual whose loaded firearm is accessed b >a minor under 16 and used to injure any other person. This bill would >reduce the level of proof required to win a civil lawsuit against a firearm >owner, and create a near-certain contingent fee lawsuit in the wake of a >tragic accident. The bill will also allow for the court to appoint a >guardian ad litem, or court attorney to represent the interests of a child >against a parent or guardian, which might include a civil lawsuit against >the parent of perhaps the child being declared at risk in the home and >placed in the custody of the state or another party. This bill would also >impact numerous firearms training and education programs for youth, by >drastically increasing the potential legal liability for coaches, >instructors and range officers. > USSC asks that you contact the following members of the House Energy and >Natural Resources Committee this week at (801) 538-1029 or by fax at (801) >538-1908 and ask that they oppose HB192 in Committee (Whenever it may come >up for consideration.) >Brad Johnson David Ure Eli Anderson Stephen Bodily Beverly Evans >Christine Fox Brent Goodfellow James Gowans Tom Hatch Dennis Iverson >Tom Matthews Tim Moran Evan Olsen Jack Seitz Michael Styler >Lamont Tyler Bill Wright > >1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device-Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) > This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah Criminal Code >entitled "External Locking Device Required on All Firearms." The bill will >require all persons licensed under 18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are >engaged in selling, leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any >member of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so >transferred with an external locking device which will temporarily prevent >the firearm from functioning when affixed to the firearm. Any person who >violates this law would be guilty of a class C misdemeanor, which under >current Utah law is punishable by up to 90 days imprisonment and a fine of >up to $750.00. > USSC provided opposing testimony and a demonstration as to the dangers >inherent in the proposed bill, and of the economic impact on Utah firearms >purchasers. Based on USSC estimates of prices of triggerlocks at retail and >the number of guns sold in Utah, this bill will cost YOU-Utah's Law-Abiding >Firearms Owners- between $ 1-1/4 Million and $ 6-1/4 Million Dollars Each >and Every Year in additional out of pocket charges for the required locking >device. That's the direct cost to you, as a Utah firearms owner! >SB93 is now on the 2nd Reading Calendar of the Utah Senate, and will be >debated on the Senate Floor shortly. You must begin calling your Utah State >Senators TODAY and Keep calling until you hear the bill has been defeated. >You must make every possible effort to stop this bill in the Senate! > >Your Action Required Call your member of the Utah State Senate at (801) >538-1035 or by fax at (801) 538-1414 and strongly urge them to vote AGAINST >SB 93 on the Senate Floor. > >Brian Judy, NRA /ILA State Liaison will be in Salt Lake City on Tuesday and >Wednesday to support USSC lobbying activities and to meet with Utah House >and Senate Leadership. Mr. Judy will also be meeting with local firearms >activists and firearms publications. Remember that your NRA/ILA >contributions help make this level of NRA support for USSC possible. > > >Please Duplicate and Distribute this Information to as many Utah Firearms >Owners as Possible! Thanks >Utah Shooting Sports Council - Office of Legislative Affairs >PO Box 711819, Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819, Ph/Fax (801) 575-USSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: utah-firearms-request@xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms Digest V96 #1 Date: 07 Feb 1996 08:22:35 -0700 (MST) Content-Type: text/plain utah-firearms Digest Volume 96 : Issue 1 Today's Topics: Okey Dokey [ADMIN] [ chad@pengar.com (Chad Leigh -- The ] USSC Alert #16 [ gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) ] Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi I think I got things straightened out on ROC and UTAH-FIREARMS. I have done a bunch of mucking around with the config stuff for both and they seem to accept new list members finally. I do not know if I successfully got digests started... Chad List Maintainer for ROC and UTAH-FIREARMS ps: to unsubscribe or subscribe to ROC or UTAH-FIREARMS you send an email to -request@xmission.com (in Engolish that is roc-request or utah-firearms-request@xmission.com) some people have reported better results with this in the subject as well as body text) email body: subscribe (or usubscribe as the case may be) ------------------------- Live Free or Die ! --------------------------- Chad Leigh | When Guns are Outlawed, Criminals Win! Pengar Enterprises, Inc -- Home of The Electronic GunShop (sm) http://www.xmission.com/~pengar/gunshop mailto:gunshop@pengar.com http://www.xmission.com/~pengar/gunshop/egs_text.html for text interface Ask me about it! Free Personal Classifieds and inexpensive Commercial Ads, & free Firearms and Activism Info --------------------$4/month commercial WWW space!!!-------------------- Message-Id: <199602071522.IAA07752@terra.aros.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Utah Shooting Sports Council 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #16 Information Current as of 5:00 PM Monday 5 February 1996 HB192 Delayed ( Yet Again) by Sponsor in Committee!! HB192-Negligent Storage of a Firearm-Rep. David Jones (D-SLC) This bill was scheduled to come up at 8:00 AM on Monday, 5 February in the ENRA committee meeting in room 303 of the Capitol. However, the sponsor, for the second time has asked that the bill be held until a later date before being heard. This tactic is sometimes used to delay a bill, and to weaken opposition be "crying wolf" once too often. What ever the reason, you must continue to contact the members of the House ENRA Committee and strongly urge them to oppose this bill. This bill will create a strict liability statute that will presume negligence on the part of any individual whose loaded firearm is accessed b a minor under 16 and used to injure any other person. This bill would reduce the level of proof required to win a civil lawsuit against a firearm owner, and create a near-certain contingent fee lawsuit in the wake of a tragic accident. The bill will also allow for the court to appoint a guardian ad litem, or court attorney to represent the interests of a child against a parent or guardian, which might include a civil lawsuit against the parent of perhaps the child being declared at risk in the home and placed in the custody of the state or another party. This bill would also impact numerous firearms training and education programs for youth, by drastically increasing the potential legal liability for coaches, instructors and range officers. USSC asks that you contact the following members of the House Energy and Natural Resources Committee this week at (801) 538-1029 or by fax at (801) 538-1908 and ask that they oppose HB192 in Committee (Whenever it may come up for consideration.) Brad Johnson David Ure Eli Anderson Stephen Bodily Beverly Evans Christine Fox Brent Goodfellow James Gowans Tom Hatch Dennis Iverson Tom Matthews Tim Moran Evan Olsen Jack Seitz Michael Styler Lamont Tyler Bill Wright 1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device-Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah Criminal Code entitled "External Locking Device Required on All Firearms." The bill will require all persons licensed under 18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are engaged in selling, leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any member of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so transferred with an external locking device which will temporarily prevent the firearm from functioning when affixed to the firearm. Any person who violates this law would be guilty of a class C misdemeanor, which under current Utah law is punishable by up to 90 days imprisonment and a fine of up to $750.00. USSC provided opposing testimony and a demonstration as to the dangers inherent in the proposed bill, and of the economic impact on Utah firearms purchasers. Based on USSC estimates of prices of triggerlocks at retail and the number of guns sold in Utah, this bill will cost YOU-Utah's Law-Abiding Firearms Owners- between $ 1-1/4 Million and $ 6-1/4 Million Dollars Each and Every Year in additional out of pocket charges for the required locking device. That's the direct cost to you, as a Utah firearms owner! SB93 is now on the 2nd Reading Calendar of the Utah Senate, and will be debated on the Senate Floor shortly. You must begin calling your Utah State Senators TODAY and Keep calling until you hear the bill has been defeated. You must make every possible effort to stop this bill in the Senate! Your Action Required Call your member of the Utah State Senate at (801) 538-1035 or by fax at (801) 538-1414 and strongly urge them to vote AGAINST SB 93 on the Senate Floor. Brian Judy, NRA /ILA State Liaison will be in Salt Lake City on Tuesday and Wednesday to support USSC lobbying activities and to meet with Utah House and Senate Leadership. Mr. Judy will also be meeting with local firearms activists and firearms publications. Remember that your NRA/ILA contributions help make this level of NRA support for USSC possible. Please Duplicate and Distribute this Information to as many Utah Firearms Owners as Possible! Thanks Utah Shooting Sports Council - Office of Legislative Affairs PO Box 711819, Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819, Ph/Fax (801) 575-USSC End of utah-firearms Digest V96 Issue #1 **************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: utah-firearms-request@xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms Digest V96 #2 Date: 09 Feb 1996 20:40:40 -0700 (MST) Content-Type: text/plain utah-firearms Digest Volume 96 : Issue 2 Today's Topics: UT- Action Alert at U of U [ Sarah Thompson ] USSC Alert #17, 7-Feb-96 [ gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) ] USSC Needs your help! 8-Feb-96 [ gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) ] USSC Alert #18 [ gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) ] USSC Alert #19 [ gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) ] Cc: firearms-alert@shell.portal.com Message-Id: <199602080223.TAA17461@terra.aros.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Every day in the United States, over 72 people are shot and killed >with guns, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. > >But it was one particular murder in 1993, that of their son who was >attending college in Indiana, that motivated Ron and Norma Molen to begin >their campaign against gun violence. > >The two organized Utahns Against Gun Violence, a statewide >organization committed to lobbying the Utah Legislature for stricter >regulation of firearms. > >Their organization has grown to over 300 people, concentrated mostly on the >Wasatch Front. > >On Wednesday and Thursday UAGV will be conducting a drive in the >Union Building to establish a campus chapter. > >"We think there's probably considerable student interest," said >Gary Sackett, who is on the board of directors of UAGV. > >The organization has attracted the support of local luminaries like >former Gov. Calvin Rampton and Rev. France Davis. > >The group is advocating a ban on ownership of assault weapons, a >ban on certain types of ammunition, such as armor-piercing bullets, >legislation to make getting a concealed weapon more difficult, and more >stringent regulation of firearm sales. > >But the cards are generally stacked against them. >"It's very difficult. Utah has a Legislature that is gun-oreinted, >more so than any other state in the country with the possible exception of >Texas," Sackett said. > >Their efforts took a considerable blow last Legislative session >when the Legislature reduced the effort required to get a concealed weapon >permit and rejected a proposal to allow cities to regulate firearm sales. >"We view the concealed weapons and their proliferation highly dangerous," >Sackett said. > >But opponents of firearm legislation think that targeting guns to >reduce violence misses the mark. > >Scott Engen of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, a gun-rights >advocacy group, said that assault weapons were involved in fewer than 3 >percent of the nation's homicides. > >"Quite simply, the issue we deal with with violent crime is that >it's caused by violent people," Engen said, suggesting that increased >incarceration and harsher penalties would be more effective in deterring >gun violence. > >Engen said when the Legislature attempts to limit citizens' access >to firearms the people most direcly affected are the people who aren't >criminals. > >Sackett said his organization has run into problems and bitter opposition >when campaigning for gun control. > >At their first press conference at the State Capitol to announce >the formation of the group, the NRA and Utah Shooting Sports Council >mobilized a good number of people who turned out to heckle the speakers, he >said. > >Sackett said he understands objections to gun control, but adds >that the violence can affect anybody, pointing to the Molen's experience as >an example. > >"A lot of people don't think it's that important of an issue until it >affects them directly," Sackett said, adding that by getting involved in >lobbying can help avert the tragedy that motivated the Molens to get >involved. > >Utahns Against Gun Violence encourages its members to write letters >to legislators and newspapers advocationg "rational" gun control. > >Engen is less optimistic about the positive impacts of increased >legislation. > >"The most objective thing we can say about [gun control >legislation] is that it's been an abject failure," he said, pointing to >murder rates that have increased along with efforts to legislate gun >control over the last 30 years. >The murder rates, however, have also increased along with the number of >guns in circulation. > >Utahns Against Gun Violence will be at a table in the Union >Building Wednesday from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m. and on Thursday from 10 a.m. to >noon. Former Gov. Cal Rampton will be discussing the gun-oriented society >on Thursday from noon to 1 p.m. > >Those interested in joining the Utah Shooting Sports Council can >contact their office at 575-USSC. Message-Id: <199602080539.WAA31375@terra.aros.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Utah Shooting Sports Council 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #17 Information Current as of 5:00pm PM Wednesday 7 February 1996 SB93 Floor Vote Expected Thursday Morning!!! 1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device-Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah Criminal Code entitled "External Locking Device Required on All Firearms." The bill will require all persons licensed under 18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are engaged in selling, leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any member of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so transferred with an external locking device which will temporarily prevent the firearm from functioning when affixed to the firearm. Any person who violates this law would be guilty of a class C misdemeanor, which under current Utah law is punishable by up to 90 days imprisonment and a fine of up to $750.00. USSC provided opposing testimony and a demonstration as to the dangers inherent in the proposed bill, and of the economic impact on Utah firearms purchasers. Based on USSC estimates of prices of triggerlocks at retail and the number of guns sold in Utah, this bill will cost YOU-Utah's Law-Abiding Firearms Owners- between $ 1-1/4 Million and $ 6-1/4 Million Dollars Each and Every Year in additional out of pocket charges for the required locking device. That's the direct cost to you as a Utah firearms owner! 1- Creates foundation for future requirement of requiring locks to be kept on all firearms, including those kept for self defense. 2- Requires you buy something you don't need or want. Erects a financial barrier for those of limited economic means. 3- Triggerlocks are dangerous to place on a loaded firearm. Lock and gun manufacturers recommend against the practice. 4- In Utah every year, we loose slightly more than 1 person under the age of 19 to a firearms accident. There is no epidemic of firearms accidents among young people or adults. There is no demonstrable need for this legislation. 5- If we are REALLY concerned about firearms safety for young people, let's put firearms safety training in the public school system. If we want to encourage safety firearms storage, let's give a tax exemption for gun locks, or a tax credit. We can also encourage the dealer to provide an informational publication about firearms safety with each purchase. SB93 is now on the 2nd Reading Calendar of the Utah Senate, and will be debated on the Senate Floor shortly. You must begin calling your Utah State Senators TODAY and Keep calling until you hear the bill has been defeated. You must make every possible effort to stop this bill in the Senate! Your Action Required Call your member of the Utah State Senate at (801) 538-1035 or by fax at (801) 538-1414 and strongly urge them to vote AGAINST SB 93 on the Senate Floor. Utah Shooting Sports Council - Office of Legislative Affairs - PO Box 711819, Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819, Ph/Fax(801) 575-USSC Message-Id: <199602081805.LAA16283@terra.aros.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Attention Firearms Owners: We need to generate calls NOW! Please call the Utah State Senate at 538-1035 and leave a message for your Senator, urging them to OPPOSE Senate Bill 93, Firearm Locking Device. If you don't know who your Senator is, leave the message for Senator Lane Beattie, the sponsor of this bill. Please encourage your friends, family and co-workers to do the same. If you would rather send a fax, the the Senate FAX # is 538-1414. The bill is on the 2nd reading calendar, so don't delay! Thank you, The Utah Shooting Sports Council PO Box 711819 Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819 Ph/FAX: 575-USSC - Email: USSCINFO@aol.com Message-Id: <199602090213.TAA22676@terra.aros.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Utah Shooting Sports Council 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #18 Information current as of 5:00pm 8-Feb-1996 Trigger Lock Bill still alive in the Senate! Vote is expected Friday Morning!!! 1st Substitute SB93 - Firearm Locking Device-(Senator Lane Beattie, R-Bountiful) was circled today, but a vote on the bill is expected Friday morning. USSC has offered amendments to the bill which would replace the "Locking Device" language with "Firearms Safety Information". Your Action Required: Start calling the Senate phone Friday morning at 7:30am at (801)538-1035 or FAX at (801)538-1414 and leave a message for your Senator. Urge them to support the "Firearms Safety Information" amendments to SB93 in place of the "Locking Device" language. Keep up the phone calls and faxes. Encourage your friends, family members and co-workers to do the same! We need YOU to make it happen!!! USSC PO Box 711819 SLC, UT 84171-1819 PH/FAX (801)575-USSC Email: USSCINFO@aol.com Message-Id: <199602100340.UAA00715@mailhub.aros.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Utah Shooting Sports Council 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #19 Information Current as of 5:00pm 9-Feb-1996 Triggerlock Bill Still Alive in the Senate!!! 1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device-Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah Criminal Code entitled "External Locking Device Required on All Firearms." The bill will require all persons licensed under 18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are engaged in selling, leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any member of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so transferred with an external locking device which will temporarily prevent the firearm from functioning when affixed to the firearm. Any person who violates this law would be guilty of a class C misdemeanor, which under current Utah law is punishable by up to 90 days imprisonment and a fine of up to $750.00. USSC's Concerns with SB93 as written: 1- Creates foundation for future requirement of requiring locks to be kept on all firearms, including those kept for self defense. 2- Requires you buy something you don't need or want. Erects a financial barrier for those of limited economic means. 3- Triggerlocks are dangerous to place on a loaded firearm. Lock and gun manufacturers recommend against the practice. 4- In Utah every year, we loose slightly more than 1 person under the age of 19 to a firearms accident. There is no epidemic of firearms accidents among young people or adults. There is no demonstrable need for this legislation. 5- If we are REALLY concerned about firearms safety for young people, let's put firearms safety training in the public school system. If we want to encourage safety firearms storage, let's give a tax exemption for gun locks, or a tax credit. We can also encourage the dealer to provide an informational publication about firearms safety with each purchase. USSC has offered amendments to SB93 which would replace the "Locking Device" language with "Firearms Safety Information". Your Action Required: Start calling the Senate phone Monday morning, 12-Feb-96 at 7:30am at (801)538-1035 or FAX at (801)538-1414 and leave a message for your Senator. Urge them to support the "Firearms Safety Information" amendments to SB93 in place of the "Locking Device" language. Even if you have already called, please call again. The Senate will begin floor action at 9:30am, so call early! Keep up the phone calls and faxes. Encourage your friends, family members and co-workers to do the same! We need YOU to make it happen!!! Utah Shooting Sports Council PO Box 711819 Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819 Ph/FAX (801)575-USSC E-Mail: USSCINFO@aol.com Web Site: http://Members.aol.com/USSCINFO End of utah-firearms Digest V96 Issue #2 **************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: utah-firearms-request@xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms Digest V96 #3 Date: 11 Feb 1996 20:44:35 -0700 (MST) Content-Type: text/plain utah-firearms Digest Volume 96 : Issue 3 Today's Topics: [vogelmr@dfw.net (Mike V....): JPFO [ Charles Hardy ] Caucuses (sp?) held March 25, 7:00 p [ Charles Hardy ] UT MEDIA: Women and Guns [ Sarah Thompson ] USSC Alert #20 Week in Review [ gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) ] azrkba@asuvm.inre.asu.edu Message-Id: <9602100718.AA07381@carbonara.MIT.EDU> Not sure if this has been here yet or not. Forwarded from fap. Apologies to any who have seen it already ------- Forwarded Message JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP SENT THE FOLLOWING LETTER TO National Rifle Association Vice President Neal Knox. January 9, 1996 Mr. Neal Knox The Firearms Coalition P.O. Box 6537 Silver Spring, MD 20916 May this find you well. I hope the Holidays have passed pleasantly for you and yours. I refer to your letter of 20 December to D.I. Sill (of Monroe, Iowa), a copy of which you mailed to me. We may have misunderstood each other's body language, but I had the distinct impression that you did not want to speak with me. In any case, my conclusions about Tanya Metaksa's speech were reached only after several persons came up to me and commented at the harsh language with which she referred to JPFO, Inc. I am aware, and did and do appreciate, your 20 November 1992 Shotgun News column on "Gun Control": Gateway to Tyranny. In that column, and in your letter, you are quite explicit that some arguments can best be made by Jews, while others can best be made by Gentiles. This is true only in one narrow respect. If JPFO criticizes a Jewish person or group for supporting "gun control", JPFO cannot realistically be accused of being anti-Semitic. Apart from that, our research - especially our finding that "gun control" clears the way for genocide - can be used by anyone. It is generally accepted as a fact that the Nazis murdered more Gentiles than Jews, and that Gentiles were the overwhelming majority of those killed and wounded in the effort to destroy the Nazi regime. Similarly, of the 56 million persons our research shows were victims of 7 major genocides in this century, some 50 million were not Jewish. Neither you, nor the NRA, have so far been willing to make the case to the broad audience that you best can reach, that the down-side to "gun control" is not inconvenience to firearm-owners, but literally mountains of corpses. Even as I write to you, U.S. troops are entering Bosnia in the wake of what seems to be a "small-scale" genocide there. Yugoslavia has had "gun control" at least since 1965. U.S. troops were also briefly in Rwanda in 1994; Rwanda has had "gun control" at least since the League of Nations asked Belgium to administer Rwanda in 1924. Rwanda's most recent "gun control" enactment dates from 21 November 1964. In sum, plenty of Americans died to overthrow the Nazi regime and U.S. troops have recently had to go in harm's way in the wake of large-scale murders in the Balkans and Central Africa, which murders plainly were facilitated by "gun control". Do you actually believe that our fellow Americans know that "gun control" not only cleared the way for these two recent genocides, but also led to the sending of U.S. troops to Bosnia and Rwanda? By pointing this out, not once but dozens of times, you and the NRA could deal a body blow to the idea that "gun control" is worthwhile. As I recently said in a letter to Tanya Metaksa, the NRA need not give credit to JPFO for our work, if giving such credit is, for whatever reason, temporarily inconvenient. We are interested only in destroying "gun control". If you and/or the NRA can best destroy "gun control" using some of the tools we have made, that's fine with us. In sum, we want to work with the NRA, but we reject - absolutely - any efforts to confine our work to the Jewish community, in America or globally. The presence of Nazi law "gun control" laws in America - and the increasing frequency of genocide - concerns every right-thinking American. I hope you agree. I look forward to your comments. Yours sincerely, Aaron Zelman Executive Director ======================================================================= i cannot vouch for the validity of this letter, but if true, it looks like dynamite in a small package. Mike V.... http://www.dfw.net/~vogelmr Mike Vogel ** O'Tools Law; vogelmr@dfw.net ** Murphy was a forking optimist!!! ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- Charles C. Hardy bagpiper@mit.edu |If MIT has an opinion PGP public key available on a server near |on these things, you you, via finger bagpiper@monk.mit.edu |can bet they wouldn't or by request. |have me express it. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever. --Thomas Jefferson NOTES ON THE STATE OF VIRGINIA "Freedom means respecting the views of those who may disagree with the views of their government." --Hillary Rodham Clinton addressing the U.N.'s Women's Conference in Beijing, 5 Sept, 1995. Message-Id: <9602100652.AA07047@carbonara.MIT.EDU> If you'd like to make a real difference in the election this year, the state wide party caucuses which are held in roughly every neighborhood are held at 7:00 pm on Monday, March 25. The Republican and Democratic caucuses are held at the same time (different locations). I've never been involved but this is my limited understanding from talking to afew people: This is where delegates to the state party conventions are chosen. Those delegates pick the party nominations for State offices. They also select from among their ranks the delegates who attend the national convention and pick the presidental nominee for the party. They are also involved in setting the official party platform, I think. These inital neighborhood caucuses are usually poorly attended so a person with just a few friends stands a good chance of being able to get elected their neighborhood's delegate to go to the State convention and making a real difference there. At the very least they can easily make sure whoever does go to the State convention has some proper political values (IE pro-gun, of course). Your county clerk can tell you exactly where the caucus is for your neighborhood. See if you can attend and make sure your neighborhood sends pro-gun delegates to the State convenction to select true pro-gun candidates for the various offices. Most importantly, IMNSHO, make sure they are not going to vote for Bob "allow the Brady Bill to pass without quorumn" Dole or Phil "Let's officially praise the JBGT at Waco" Gramm. Get the word out to your friends to attend in their neighborhoods. Maybe get the meeting locations for them when you call your county clerk so you can tell them exactly where their caucus is being held. For those who are Mormon, I think this would make a great "family home evening" especially for people with kids old enough to vote. For those who aren't Mormon, you don't need an excuse to get out of the house on a Monday night. ;) Just make sure to get the info on where the meeting is and put it on your calender or into your schedule book. Monday, March 25, 7:00 pm somewhere resonably close to your own house. A little organizing now can help make sure that we have some decent pro-gun candidates, not only for president, but also (and maybe more importantly) for various State offices rather than just the "lesser of two evils". I'm stuck in Boston with this last rutty semester of school, but will help out in any way possible from here. ------- Charles C. Hardy bagpiper@mit.edu |If MIT has an opinion PGP public key available on a server near |on these things, you you, via finger bagpiper@monk.mit.edu |can bet they wouldn't or by request. |have me express it. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever. --Thomas Jefferson NOTES ON THE STATE OF VIRGINIA "Freedom means respecting the views of those who may disagree with the views of their government." --Hillary Rodham Clinton addressing the U.N.'s Women's Conference in Beijing, 5 Sept, 1995. ------- Charles C. Hardy bagpiper@mit.edu |If MIT has an opinion PGP public key available on a server near |on these things, you you, via finger bagpiper@monk.mit.edu |can bet they wouldn't or by request. |have me express it. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever. --Thomas Jefferson NOTES ON THE STATE OF VIRGINIA "Freedom means respecting the views of those who may disagree with the views of their government." --Hillary Rodham Clinton addressing the U.N.'s Women's Conference in Beijing, 5 Sept, 1995. Cc: utah-firearms@xmission.com Message-Id: <199602110155.SAA04377@terra.aros.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just a reminder - Tonight (Saturday) and tomorrow night (Feb. 10-11) Channel 4 in Salt Lake City will be doing a special two part Cover Story on "Women and Guns". Cover Story appears as part of the 10 PM news. For those of you who wish to respond to the story, the address is: Cover Story KTVX Television, Channel 4 1760 S. Fremont Drive Salt Lake City, UT 84104 (801) 975-4444 KTVX is an ABC affiliate. Sarah Sarah Thompson, M.D. righter@aros.net The Righter PO Box 271231 Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231 (801) 468-4637 - voice (801)966-7278 - fax Fight the telecommunications act! Abortion, homosexuals, lesbians, militias, terrorists, assault weapons, pornography, revolution, evolution, Constitution... You'll NEVER silence ME! Gabe_Foltz@ccm.ut.intel.com, SORDEV@intele.net, ILikeDucks@aol.com, Mikel@Enrich.com, ScottBergeson@ucs.org, W300Win@aol.com, Lockman@intele.net, R-Bryner@Probono.law.Utah.edu, Edding@SLRC.USBM.GOV, Randell1@aol.com, GavinSW@aol.com, LWojcik@intele.net, Righter@aros.net, BobL@Burgoyne.com, JFClark@novell.com, TNBeal@aol.com, JDmcbri@ppco.com, mcbridj@xmission.com, Arnold_J._Gaunt@Standard.net, Marting@intele.net, JMess@intele.net, PLSITE@aros.net Cc: utah-firearms@xmission.com Message-Id: <199602120342.UAA22175@mailhub.aros.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Utah Shooting Sports Council 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #20 Information Current as of 5:00 PM Sunday 11 February 1996 Utah Legislature 3rd Week Review Legislative Actions This Week: SB93 Floor Vote Expected Monday Morning!!! 1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device-Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah Criminal Code entitled "External Locking Device Required on All Firearms." The bill will require all persons licensed under 18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are engaged in selling, leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any member of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so transferred with an external locking device which will temporarily prevent the firearm from functioning when affixed to the firearm. Any person who violates this law would be guilty of a class C misdemeanor, which under current Utah law is punishable by up to 90 days imprisonment and a fine of up to $750.00. USSC provided opposing testimony and a demonstration as to the dangers inherent in the proposed bill, and of the economic impact on Utah firearms purchasers. Based on USSC estimates of prices of triggerlocks at retail and the number of guns sold in Utah, this bill will cost YOU-Utah's Law-Abiding Firearms Owners- between $ 1-1/4 Million and $ 6-1/4 Million Dollars Each and Every Year in additional out of pocket charges for the required locking device. That's the direct cost to you, as a Utah firearms owner! 1- Creates foundation for future requirement of requiring locks to be kept on all firearms, including those kept for self defense. 2- Requires you buy something you don't need or want. Erects a financial barrier for those of limited economic means. 3- Triggerlock are dangerous to place on a loaded firearm. Lock and gun manufacturers recommend against the practice. 4- In Utah every year, we loose slightly more than 1 person under the age of 19 to a firearms accident. There is no epidemic of firearms accidents among young people or adults. There is no demonstrable need for this legislation. 5- If we are REALLY concerned about firearms safety for young people, let's put firearms safety training in the public school system. If we want to encourage safety firearms storage, let's give a tax exemption for gun locks, or a tax credit. We can also encourage the dealer to provide an informational publication about firearms safety with each purchase. SB93 is now on the 2nd Reading Calendar of the Utah Senate, and will be debated on the Senate Floor shortly. You must begin calling your Utah State Senators TODAY and Keep calling until you hear the bill has been defeated. You must make every possible effort to stop this bill in the Senate! Your Action Required Call your member of the Utah State Senate at (801) 538-1035 or by fax at (801) 538-1414 and strongly urge them to vote AGAINST SB 93 or substitute a firearms safety information publication in place of the external locking device when the bill come up for a vote on the Senate Floor. If you were a Political Party Delegate during 1994, and have not as yet received your USSC Delegate Information Package in the mail, or have changed addresses since the 1994 delegate training program, please contact USSC with your current address so we cam get you your copy of the USSC Delegate Information Package for the 1996 Mass Meetings and Party Caucuses. Please Duplicate and Distribute this Information to as many Utah Firearms Owners as Possible! Thanks Utah Shooting Sports Council - Office of Legislative Affairs PO Box 711819, Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819, Ph/Fax (801) 575-USSC E-Mail : usscinfo@aol.com World Wide Web Site: http://members.aol.com/usscinfo End of utah-firearms Digest V96 Issue #3 **************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: Iowa Results Date: 12 Feb 1996 23:59:02 EST Just in case there are any out there who spend too much time on the net to catch the reults. According to C-Span, 2345 EST: Dole ~ 26% Buchanan ~ 23% Alexander ~ 18% Gramm ~ 10% ------- Charles C. Hardy bagpiper@mit.edu |If MIT has an opinion PGP public key available on a server near |on these things, you you, via finger bagpiper@monk.mit.edu |can bet they wouldn't or by request. |have me express it. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever. --Thomas Jefferson NOTES ON THE STATE OF VIRGINIA "Freedom means respecting the views of those who may disagree with the views of their government." --Hillary Rodham Clinton addressing the U.N.'s Women's Conference in Beijing, 5 Sept, 1995. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: Iowa results CORRECTIONS Date: 13 Feb 1996 00:11:55 EST My mistake on the last one. Actual reults reported: Dole ~ 26% Buchanan ~ 23% Alexander ~ 18% Forbes ~ 10% Gramm ~ 9% Keyes ~ 7-8% My aplogies for typing the last post in too quickly. ------- Charles C. Hardy bagpiper@mit.edu |If MIT has an opinion PGP public key available on a server near |on these things, you you, via finger bagpiper@monk.mit.edu |can bet they wouldn't or by request. |have me express it. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever. --Thomas Jefferson NOTES ON THE STATE OF VIRGINIA "Freedom means respecting the views of those who may disagree with the views of their government." --Hillary Rodham Clinton addressing the U.N.'s Women's Conference in Beijing, 5 Sept, 1995. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) Subject: USSC Alert #21, 12-Feb-96 Date: 12 Feb 1996 22:45:31 -0700 Utah Shooting Sports Council 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #21 Information Current as of 5:00 PM Monday 12-February-1996 Triggerlock Bill Sponsor Absent Today, Vote Expected Tuesday 13-Feb-96 Your Action Required: Call your member of the Utah State Senate on Tuesday morning, 13-February, at (801) 538-1035 or by fax at (801) 538-1414 and strongly urge them to vote AGAINST SB 93 or substitute a firearms safety information publication in place of the external locking device when the bill come up for a vote on the Senate Floor. Keep calling until you hear that the bill is dead or favorably amended. Here's Why: 1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device-Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah Criminal Code entitled "External Locking Device Required on All Firearms." The bill will require all persons licensed under 18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are engaged in selling, leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any member of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so transferred with an external locking device which will temporarily prevent the firearm from functioning when affixed to the firearm. Any person who violates this law would be guilty of a class C misdemeanor, which under current Utah law is punishable by up to 90 days imprisonment and a fine of up to $750.00. USSC provided opposing testimony and a demonstration as to the dangers inherent in the proposed bill, and of the economic impact on Utah firearms purchasers. Based on USSC estimates of prices of triggerlocks at retail and the number of guns sold in Utah, this bill will cost YOU-Utah's Law-Abiding Firearms Owners- between $ 1-1/4 Million and $ 6-1/4 Million Dollars Each and Every Year in additional out of pocket charges for the required locking device. That's the direct cost to you, as a Utah firearms owner! 1. Creates foundation for future requirement of requiring locks to be kept on all firearms, including those kept for self defense. 2. Requires you buy something you don't need or want. Erects a financial barrier for those of limited economic means. 3. Triggerlock are dangerous to place on a loaded firearm. Lock and gun manufacturers recommend against the practice. 4. In Utah every year, we loose slightly more than 1 person under the age of 19 to a firearms accident. There is no epidemic of firearms accidents among young people or adults. There is no demonstrable need for this legislation. 5. If we are REALLY concerned about firearms safety for young people, let's put firearms safety training in the public school system. If we want to encourage safety firearms storage, let's give a tax exemption for gun locks, or a tax credit. We can also encourage the dealer to provide an informational publication about firearms safety with each purchase. SB93 is now on the 2nd Reading Calendar of the Utah Senate, and will be debated on the Senate Floor shortly. You must begin calling your Utah State Senators TODAY and Keep calling until you hear the bill has been defeated. You must make every possible effort to stop this bill in the Senate! If you were a Political Party Delegate during 1994, and have not as yet received your USSC Delegate Information Package in the mail, or have changed addresses since the 1994 delegate training program, please contact USSC with your current address so we cam get you your copy of the USSC Delegate Information Package for the 1996 Mass Meetings and Party Caucuses. Please Duplicate and Distribute this Information to as many Utah Firearms Owners as Possible. Utah Shooting Sports Council PO Box 711819 Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819 Ph/FAX (801)575-USSC E-Mail: USSCINFO@aol.com Web Site: http://Members.aol.com/USSCINFO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) Subject: USSC Alert #22 Date: 13 Feb 1996 21:32:56 -0700 Utah Shooting Sports Council 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #22 Information current as of 5:00pm, Tuesday 13-Feb-1996 Triggerlock Bill Next on Senate Agenda! Keep Calling!!! Your Action Required: Call your member of the Utah State Senate on Wednesday morning, 14-February, at (801) 538-1035 or by fax at (801) 538-1414 and strongly urge them to vote AGAINST SB 93 or substitute a firearms safety information publication in place of the external locking device when the bill comes up for a vote on the Senate Floor. Keep calling until you hear that the bill is dead or favorably amended. Here's Why: 1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device-Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah Criminal Code entitled "External Locking Device Required on All Firearms." The bill will require all persons licensed under 18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are engaged in selling, leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any member of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so transferred with an external locking device which will temporarily prevent the firearm from functioning when affixed to the firearm. Any person who violates this law would be guilty of a class C misdemeanor, which under current Utah law is punishable by up to 90 days imprisonment and a fine of up to $750.00. USSC provided opposing testimony and a demonstration as to the dangers inherent in the proposed bill, and of the economic impact on Utah firearms purchasers. Based on USSC estimates of prices of triggerlocks at retail and the number of guns sold in Utah, this bill will cost YOU-Utah's Law-Abiding Firearms Owners- between $ 1-1/4 Million and $ 6-1/4 Million Dollars Each and Every Year in additional out of pocket charges for the required locking device. That's the direct cost to you, as a Utah firearms owner! SB93 is now at the top of the 2nd Reading Calendar of the Utah Senate, and will be debated on the Senate Floor soon. You must begin calling your Utah State Senators TODAY and Keep calling until you hear the bill has been defeated. You must make every possible effort to stop this bill in the Senate! HB329 - Spotlighting Wildlife - Rep. Michael Styler (R-Delta) This bill was heard in committee today and was amended at the request of USSC to provide protections against potential law enforcement abuses against sportsmen who are otherwise lawfully in the field using artificial light while in possession of a firearm. The bill will still allow wildlife officers to arrest those that are intending to take protected wildlife by spotlighting illegally. The bill moves to the House floor for consideration. We encourage you to call your Representatives at (801)538-1029 or fax at (801)538-1908 and urge them to support HB329 as recommended by the committee. 1st Substitute HB303 - Cruelty to Animals - Rep. Frank Pignanelli (D-SLC) This bill was heard in committee today and represents a major push by animal rights activists to further an animal rights agenda at a state level. USSC will be working closely with the sponsor to insure that traditional hunting rights and practices will not be affected in any way. This bill now moves to the House floor for consideration. We encourage you to call your Representatives at (801)538-1029 or fax at (801)538-1908 and urge them to make sure that HB303 does not in any way limit the hunting of protected or unprotected wildlife in Utah. If you, your friends or associates were Political Party Delegates during 1994, and have not as yet received your USSC Delegate Information Package in the mail, or have changed addresses since the 1994 delegate training program, please contact USSC with your current address so we cam get you your copy of the USSC Delegate Information Package for the 1996 Mass Meetings and Party Caucuses. Utah Shooting Sports Council - Office of Legislative Affairs PO Box 711819 Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819 Ph/FAX (801)575-USSC E-Mail: USSCINFO@aol.com Web Site: http://Members.aol.com/USSCINFO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sarah Thompson Subject: Blockbuster - UT Date: 13 Feb 1996 23:33:59 -0700 Well, Blockbuster had finally placed its "No guns, knives or concealed weapons" signs in the doorways of their stores in Utah. A formal protest is being considered. However, in the meantime, drop by your local Blockbuster and let them know what you think of their policy and how it will affect your patronage of their stores. I believe someone posted the person to contact at Blockbuster headquarters to complain, but I no longer have it. If someone would repost it, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Sarah Sarah Thompson, M.D. righter@aros.net The Righter PO Box 271231 Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231 (801) 468-4637 - voice (801)966-7278 - fax Fight the telecommunications act! Abortion, homosexuals, lesbians, militias, terrorists, assault weapons, pornography, revolution, evolution, Constitution... You'll NEVER silence ME! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) Subject: USSC Alert #23 Date: 14 Feb 1996 22:38:41 -0700 Utah Shooting Sports Council 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #23 Information current as of 5:00pm, Wednesday 14-Feb-1996 Triggerlock Bill STILL Next on Senate Agenda! There was no action today on SB93, but it is still at the top of the 2nd Reading Calendar of the Utah Senate, and will be debated on the Senate Floor soon. You must begin calling your Utah State Senators TODAY and Keep calling until you hear the bill has been defeated. You must make every possible effort to stop this bill in the Senate! Your Action Required: Call your member of the Utah State Senate on Thursday morning, 15-February, at (801) 538-1035 or by fax at (801) 538-1414 and leave them a message to strongly urge them to vote AGAINST SB 93 or substitute a firearms safety information publication in place of the external locking device when the bill comes up for a vote on the Senate Floor. Keep calling until you hear that the bill is dead or favorably amended. Here's Why: 1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device-Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah Criminal Code entitled "External Locking Device Required on All Firearms." The bill will require all persons licensed under 18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are engaged in selling, leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any member of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so transferred with an external locking device which will temporarily prevent the firearm from functioning when affixed to the firearm. Any person who violates this law would be guilty of a class C misdemeanor, which under current Utah law is punishable by up to 90 days imprisonment and a fine of up to $750.00. USSC provided opposing testimony and a demonstration as to the dangers inherent in the proposed bill, and of the economic impact on Utah firearms purchasers. Based on USSC estimates of prices of triggerlocks at retail and the number of guns sold in Utah, this bill will cost YOU-Utah's Law-Abiding Firearms Owners- between $ 1-1/4 Million and $ 6-1/4 Million Dollars Each and Every Year in additional out of pocket charges for the required locking device. That's the direct cost to you, as a Utah firearms owner! HB 8 Limitation of Civil Liability - Rep. Sue Lockman (R-Kearns) This bill is on the 2nd reading calendar in the Senate and will be up for a floor vote soon. HB 8 as passed by the House of Representatives would help to prevent a person from being liable in a civil action for any personal injury, death, or property damage if the person injured or killed or whose property was damaged was engaged in the commission of a crime. HB 8 was unfavorably amended in Senate committee. We encourage you to call your Senator TODAY at (801) 538-1035 or by fax at (801) 538-1414 and leave them a message strongly urging them to remove the committee amendments and vote FOR HB 8 as passed by the House. 1st Substitute HB303 - Cruelty to Animals - Rep. Frank Pignanelli (D-SLC) This bill was heard in committee today and represents a major push by animal rights activists to further an animal rights agenda at a state level. USSC will be working closely with the sponsor to insure that traditional hunting rights and practices will not be affected in any way. This bill now moves to the House floor for consideration. We encourage you to call your Representatives at (801)538-1029 or fax at (801)538-1908 and urge them to make sure that HB303 does not in any way limit the hunting of protected or unprotected wildlife in Utah. If you, your friends or associates were Political Party Delegates during 1994, and have not as yet received your USSC Delegate Information Package in the mail, or have changed addresses since the 1994 delegate training program, please contact USSC with your current address so we can get you your copy of the USSC Delegate Information Package for the 1996 Mass Meetings and Party Caucuses. Utah Shooting Sports Council - Office of Legislative Affairs PO Box 711819 Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819 Ph/FAX (801)575-USSC E-Mail: USSCINFO@aol.com Web Site: http://Members.aol.com/USSCINFO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chad@pengar.com (Chad Leigh -- The Electronic GunShop) Subject: USSC Alert #23 -Reply Date: 14 Feb 1996 23:53:17 -0700 I don't think this made it out on utah-firearms because the original author is not on utah-firearms (at least at the address sent from??) Chad >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:39:19 -0700 (MST) >X-From_: craig_oler@novell.com Wed Feb 14 23:39:14 1996 >Old-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:33:23 -0800 >From: craig_oler@novell.com (Craig Oler) >Subject: USSC Alert #23 -Reply > >Gavin and Other List Subscribers: > >Senator Money called this morning to talk about SB93. He >does not favor this legislation and will not support it. > >It provides for too much potential litigation, does not cause >safer firearm storage and cost individual voters. The Senator >told me that there were not enough votes to get this to be >anything but a major defeat and that the author (Beatie of >Bountiful) will not move for a vote if he does not have the >votes for passage. As of this morning the author does not >have the votes. Gavin is correct that we need to keep the >heat on this one but it looks like we are doing some good. >Does anyone have a head count on the various senators >views? If we had a roll count we could begin to call the swing >senators and make sure that we keep the votes for this bill >low. > >>>> Gavin Wallace 02/14/96 10:38pm >>>> >Utah Shooting Sports Council >1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #23 >Information current as of 5:00pm, Wednesday 14-Feb-1996 > >Triggerlock Bill STILL Next on Senate Agenda! > >There was no action today on SB93, but it is still at the top >of the 2nd >Reading Calendar of the Utah Senate, and will be debated on >the Senate Floor soon. You must begin calling your Utah >State Senators TODAY and Keep calling until you hear the >bill has been defeated. You must make every possible effort >to stop this bill in the Senate! > >Your Action Required: Call your member of the Utah State >Senate on Thursday morning, 15-February, at (801) >538-1035 or by fax at (801) 538-1414 and leave them a >message to strongly urge them to vote AGAINST SB 93 or >substitute a firearms safety information publication in place of >the external locking device when the bill comes up for a vote >on the Senate >Floor. Keep calling until you hear that the bill is dead or >favorably amended. > >Here's Why: > >1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device-Senator Lane >Beattie (R-Bountiful) >This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah >Criminal Code entitled "External Locking Device Required on >All Firearms." The bill will require all persons licensed under >18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are engaged in selling, >leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any member >of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so >transferred with an external locking device which will >temporarily prevent the firearm from functioning when affixed >to the firearm. Any person who violates this law would be >guilty of a class C misdemeanor, which under current Utah >law is punishable by up to 90 days imprisonment and a fine >of up to $750.00. > >USSC provided opposing testimony and a demonstration as >to the dangers inherent in the proposed bill, and of the >economic impact on Utah firearms purchasers. Based on >USSC estimates of prices of triggerlocks at retail and the >number of guns sold in Utah, this bill will cost YOU-Utah's >Law-Abiding >Firearms Owners- between $ 1-1/4 Million and $ 6-1/4 >Million Dollars Each and Every Year in additional out of >pocket charges for the required locking device. That's the >direct cost to you, as a Utah firearms owner! > >HB 8 Limitation of Civil Liability - Rep. Sue Lockman >(R-Kearns) >This bill is on the 2nd reading calendar in the Senate and will >be up for a floor vote soon. HB 8 as passed by the House of >Representatives would help to prevent a person from being >liable in a civil action for any personal injury, death, or >property damage if the person injured or killed or whose >property was damaged was engaged in the commission of a >crime. HB 8 was unfavorably amended in Senate committee. > We encourage you to call your >Senator TODAY at (801) 538-1035 or by fax at (801) >538-1414 and leave them a message strongly urging them to >remove the committee amendments and vote FOR >HB 8 as passed by the House. > >1st Substitute HB303 - Cruelty to Animals - Rep. Frank >Pignanelli (D-SLC) >This bill was heard in committee today and represents a >major push by animal rights activists to further an animal >rights agenda at a state level. USSC will be working closely >with the sponsor to insure that traditional hunting rights and >practices will not be affected in any way. This bill now >moves to the House floor for consideration. We encourage >you to call your >Representatives at (801)538-1029 or fax at (801)538-1908 >and urge them to make sure that HB303 does not in any way >limit the hunting of protected or unprotected wildlife in Utah. > >If you, your friends or associates were Political Party >Delegates during >1994, and have not as yet received your USSC Delegate >Information Package in the mail, or have changed addresses >since the 1994 delegate training program, please contact >USSC with your current address so we can get you your >copy of the USSC Delegate Information Package for the 1996 > Mass >Meetings and Party Caucuses. > > > >Utah Shooting Sports Council - Office of Legislative Affairs >PO Box 711819 Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819 Ph/FAX >(801)575-USSC >E-Mail: USSCINFO@aol.com Web Site: >http://Members.aol.com/USSCINFO > ------------------------- Live Free or Die ! --------------------------- Chad Leigh | When Guns are Outlawed, Criminals Win! Pengar Enterprises, Inc -- Home of The Electronic GunShop (sm) http://www.xmission.com/~pengar/gunshop mailto:gunshop@pengar.com http://www.xmission.com/~pengar/gunshop/egs_text.html for text interface Ask me about it! Free Personal Classifieds and inexpensive Commercial Ads, & free Firearms and Activism Info --------------------$4/month commercial WWW space!!!-------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: A Nation at Arms --- The Swiss Date: 15 Feb 1996 12:54:01 EST Forwarded from FAP. A timely reminder of our own heritage, I think. Particularly as we prepare to enter voting booths--one of the many places where our right to carry weapons is often infringed. ------- Forwarded Message ====================================================================== Sent: Friday, February 09, 1996 12:21 PM Foreign Correspondent Inside Track On World News By International Syndicated Columnist & Broadcaster Eric Margolis ,,ggddY"""Ybbgg,, ,agd888b,_ "Y8, ___`""Ybga, ,gdP""88888888baa,.""8b "888g, ,dP" ]888888888P' "Y `888Yb, ,dP" ,88888888P" db, "8P""Yb, ,8" ,888888888b, d8888a "8, ,8' d88888888888,88P"' a, `8, ,8' 88888888888888PP" "" `8, d' I88888888888P" `b 8 `8"88P""Y8P' 8 8 Y 8[ _ " 8 8 "Y8d8b "Y a 8 8 `""8d, __ 8 Y, `"8bd888b, ,P `8, ,d8888888baaa ,8' `8, 888888888888' ,8' `8a "8888888888I a8' `Yba `Y8888888P' adP' "Yba `888888P' adY" `"Yba, d8888P" ,adP"' `"Y8baa, ,d888P,ad8P"' ``""YYba8888P""'' A Nation At Arms by Eric Margolis VERBIER, SWITZERLAND - The Swiss take their national security even more seriously than their fabled banks. Until recently, this tiny nation of only 7 million could mobilize an amazing 600,000 highly-trained citizen-soldiers within 72 hours. This awesome levy gave the Swiss one of the world's largest armies, exceeded in Europe only by Russia and Turkey (on full mobilization). Each Swiss man of military age (generally 20-55 years) keeps an automatic rifle, uniform and combat gear in his home. Interestingly, in spite of most households having automatic arms, far more Swiss are killed each year by falling ice than murdered by firearms, which should cause control-advocates to pause and think. Every Swiss soldier is a crack shot and often trains annually with the same unit year after year. Most important, like Israel's superb armed forces, the Swiss military is built from units of men who live and work together in civilian life. Company directors often find themselves reporting to employees, bankers to taxi drivers, and so on. Any failure to perform in the military produces ignominy in civilian life. In the past, Switzerland adopted a "hedgehog" strategy to defend the nation. The lowlands, such as the Basel region, were to be abandoned in time of war. Swiss forces would withdraw to the central mountain redoubt, which is honeycombed by underground forts and gun batteries in casemates. Jet fighters would issue from camouflaged hangers hewn into mountain sides. In the event of war, the Swiss could blow up their nation's key military objective: the nexus of strategic mountain passes connecting Italy with France and Austria. Over 2,000 locations are rigged for instant demolition, including tunnels, viaducts and highway overpasses. When I was a student in Switzerland during the early 1960's, the Swiss even considered, and then decided against, building their own nuclear weapons. Some readers may think the idea of heavily armed Swiss as comical: rather like cuckoo clock makers with tanks. The Soviets, however, took the Swiss very seriously. The Red Army planned to outflank NATO's defenses on the Central Front by punching through neutral Austria and then racing across northern Switzerland via the axis Zurich, Basel, Neuchatel - and thence into France's soft, undefended underbelly. Yet even the mighty Soviet Army feared taking on the tough Swiss in this Russian version of the Schlieffen Plan. Lately, the Swiss have recalibrated their military forces. An offensive strategy has been adopted, based on over 1,100 armored vehicles, new self-propelled artillery, and a more powerful air force which is uniquely trained to fight in the high Alpine valleys. Every inch of Switzerland is now to be defended. Unfortunately, many Swiss have forgotten the reasons why a powerful armed force is needed. Swiss women, in particular, who only got the vote fairly recently, have, like most women everywhere, a deep lack of understanding of military affairs. In a recent referendum, a shocking one-third of Swiss - mainly women - voted to totally eliminate the armed forces. Women claimed that the military was merely a big toy for big boys. They forget that, in the event of invasion or civil strife, women are immediately targeted for rape and murder - as Bosnia so recently showed. Armies are expensive and unnecessary - until war comes. Because of the temporary end of the Cold War, Switzerland is reducing its armed forces by 33%, down to a mere 400,000 - but still larger than the ground forces of France, Germany or Italy. The armed forces are becoming high tech, with new electronics and missiles. Why do the Swiss need such a powerful military? First, because the nation has avoided war for the past 200 years, its last invader being Napoleon. The main reason Switzerland was not invaded in either world war was that neither the Allies nor the Germans wanted to tangle with the Swiss Army. Since the future is always unpredictable, the Swiss continue to take no chances. Second, national character. I always recall the stirring sight of voting day in the Alps. Swiss farmers and herdsmen would lead their prize cows, bedecked with flowers and bells, down to the little Alpine towns to vote in a national referendum. Each sturdy husbandman carried a rifle over his shoulder - as a symbol that the Swiss became the first free people in Europe, and the first democracy - by force of their arms. Nations that forget this hard reality do so at their peril. For 250 years during the Renaissance, the Swiss were the terror of Europe. Armed with 30 ft. pikes and lethal halberds (poleaxes), tough Swiss mountaineers crushed the feudal knights of Austria and France. At Morgarten, Sempach, Morat and a hundred other battlefields, the Swiss phalanxes did as much to destroy Europe's feudal order as artillery. Even great Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy, was slain at Nancy by the Swiss, his armored body hewn almost in half by a single blow by a Swiss halbardier. The sole power capable of finally stopping the "furia helvetica" was artillery. Today, the reminders of this former glory are the Pope's faithful Swiss Guards and the Swiss citizen army. Like the ancient Romans, most Swiss still believe that a democracy at arms is the surest protection from tyranny, internal or external. copyright E.Margolis February 1996 ***************************************************************** ====================================================================== To receive Foreign Correspondent via email send a note to Majordomo@lglobal.com with the message in the body: subscribe foreignc To get off the list, send to the same address but write: unsubscribe foreignc Back Issues can be obtained from: ftp.lglobal.com/pub/foreignc For Syndication Information please contact: Email: emargolis@lglobal.com FAX: (416) 960-4803 Smail: Eric Margolis c/o Editorial Department The Toronto Sun 333 King St. East Toronto Ontario Canada M5A 3X5 ====================================================================== - ------- C-News courtesy of Berkeley Internet Connections http://www.berkeleyic.com | info@berkeleyic.com - ------- To unsubscribe from c-news, send the message UNSUBSCRIBE C-NEWS to majordomo@world.std.com. Contact owner-c-news@world.std.com with questions. ------- End of Forwarded Message --KAA14974.824406423/xmission.xmission.com-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gavinsw@aros.net (gavinsw) Subject: USSC Alert #24 Date: 16 Feb 1996 09:20:18 -0700 Utah Shooting Sports Council 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #24 Information Current as of 5:00 PM Thursday 15 February 1996 SB93 Senate Floor Vote Amends Beattie Triggerlock Bill! 1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device-Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah Criminal Code entitled "External Locking Device Required on All Firearms." The bill would have required all persons licensed under 18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are engaged in selling, leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any member of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so transferred with an external locking device which will temporarily prevent the firearm from functioning when affixed to the firearm. SB 93 was amended by the sponsor on the Senate Floor during second reading to include the following changes from the version of the bill we have been following in recent Fax Alerts. The changes include removal of the requirement to sell a locking device with each purchase or transfer and replacing it with a requirement that the dealer "affirmatively offer to sell" a locking device. Dealers must have a locking device available for sale that will lock the type of firearm purchased, and must "explain the locking device's use and why it may be needed." Any violation by the dealer will be an infraction level criminal offense, punishable by a $50.00 fine per violation. USSC offered amendments on the floor which would have removed the requirement for the sale of a locking device and replaced it with a strong encouragement to provide a firearms safety information publication listing principles of firearms safety, storage options, a directory of public shooting ranges and facilities, and resources and organizations which might provide additional training or information. The USSC amendment was soundly defeated in favor of the sponsors amendments listed above. The final floor vote was 26 to 3 in favor of the Beattie amendments. The bill now will receive one more floor consideration in the Senate, where further floor amendments are unlikely. It was clear from the discussions on the Senate floor that this was just the beginning of this type of legislation, and a number of Senators spoke in favor of the original bill with it's mandatory sale of the locking device. We will keep you posted as to the progress of this bill on the House side. USSC to Host a Free 1996 Political Action Training Seminar on Saturday, 9 March 1996 at Olympus Hotel in Salt Lake City, Utah USSC, in cooperation the National Rifle Association, American Gun Review and several local political interests and issues organizations will host a special political action training seminar at the Olympus Hotel and Conference Center, 161 West 600 South in Salt Lake City on Saturday 9 March 1996. Registration begins at 8:30 AM with classes starting at 9:00 and running until 4:30PM. This free seminar will cover how to become a delegate to your county and state political party convention, how to become involved as a volunteer in the campaign of a pro-gun candidate, and how to set up and maintain telephone, fax and electronic communications networks for grassroots political action and information. We will also have a special presentation on using the Internet and the World Wide Web as an information resource. Please bring all your friends, fellow shooters and family members to this event. If you were a Political Party Delegate during 1994, and have not as yet received your USSC Delegate Information Package in the mail, or have changed addresses since the 1994 delegate training program, please contact USSC with your current address so we cam get you your copy of the USSC Delegate Information Package for the 1996 Mass Meetings and Party Caucuses. Please Duplicate and Distribute this Information to as many Utah Firearms Owners as Possible! Thanks Utah Shooting Sports Council - Office of Legislative Affairs PO Box 711819, Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819, Ph/Fax (801) 575-USSC E-Mail : usscinfo@aol.com World Wide Web Site: http://members.aol.com/usscinfo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leo R Huber" Subject: Statewide Town Meeting Date: 16 Feb 1996 11:58:55 GMT+700 If you have satellite receive capabilities, there will be a town meeting for Utah citizens to call into the legislators LIVE on Satellite to ask questions. Questions can be asked by way of an 800 number. announced during the program. The satellite coordinations are: Ku Band: Galaxy K7, 91 Deg. W Long. C Band: Anik E2 , 107.3 Deg W Long. Date & Time:Tue, 20 Feb. 1996 5:30-7:00Pm MST. If this message is to be sent out for all to see please delete my NAME & EMAIL Address. Thanks Leo R Huber ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Leo R Huber" Subject: Statewide Town Meeting Date: 16 Feb 1996 16:15:57 GMT+700 If you have satellite receive capabilities, there will be a town meeting on satellite for ALL Utah Citizens to voice there opinions on all bills before the house & senate. The questions will be live via a 800 number that will be described during the show. Satellite coordinates are: Ku Band: Galaxy K7, 91 Deg W Long Channel 10 (11,900 Mhz.) (V)Pol. C Band: Anik E2, 107.3 Deg W Long. Channel 01A (3720Mhz.) (V)Pol. I don't know if the first message I sent got through so I sent it again with all the Coordinates. Leo R Huber Satellite Engineer USU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) Subject: USSC Alert #25, Week In Review Date: 17 Feb 1996 14:08:45 -0700 Utah Shooting Sports Council 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #25 Information Current as of 5:00 PM Saturday 17 February 1996 Utah Legislature 5th Week Review 1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device-Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah Criminal Code entitled "External Locking Device Required on All Firearms." The bill would have required all persons licensed under 18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are engaged in selling, leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any member of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so transferred with an external locking device which will temporarily prevent the firearm from functioning when affixed to the firearm. SB 93 was amended by the sponsor on the Senate Floor during second reading to include the following changes from the version of the bill we have been following in recent Fax Alerts. The changes include removal of the requirement to sell a locking device with each purchase or transfer and replacing it with a requirement that the dealer "affirmatively offer to sell" a locking device. Dealers must have a locking device available for sale that will lock the type of firearm purchased, and must "explain the locking device's use and why it may be needed." Any violation by the dealer will be an infraction level criminal offense, punishable by a $50.00 fine per violation. USSC offered amendments on the floor which would have removed the requirement for the sale of a locking device and replaced it with a strong encouragement to provide a firearms safety information publication listing principles of firearms safety, storage options, a directory of public shooting ranges and facilities, and resources and organizations which might provide additional training or information. The USSC amendment was soundly defeated in favor of the sponsors amendments listed above. The final floor vote was 26 to 3 in favor of the Beattie amendments. It was clear from the discussions on the Senate floor that this was just the beginning of this type of legislation, and a number of Senators spoke in favor of the original bill with it's mandatory sale of the locking device. We will keep you posted as to the progress of this bill on the House side. Rep. John Valentine will carry the bill through the House side process. HB8 Limitation on Civil Action-Representative Sue Lockman (R-Kearns) This bill would have provided a defense against a civil lawsuit for damages by an individual who was injured or suffered loss as a result of criminal activity. The bill was gutted in the Senate Judiciary Committee and further amended on the floor to weaken the current defense of habitation statutes under Utah state law. The bill now returns to the House for their concurrence or to conference committee. The future of this bill is uncertain. HB 192 Negligent Storage of a Firearm-Representative David Jones (D-SLC) This bill is still awaiting committee hearings on the House side. There has been a major push for the bill in the broadcast and print media. We will keep you posted as to the schedule hearings and status of the bill as it progresses through the legislative process. USSC to Host a Free 1996 Political Action Training Seminar on Saturday, 9 March 1996 at Olympus Hotel in Salt Lake City, Utah USSC, in cooperation the National Rifle Association, American Gun Review and several local political interests and issues organizations will host a special political action training seminar at the Olympus Hotel and Conference Center, 161 West 600 South in Salt Lake City on Saturday 9 March 1996. Registration begins at 8:30 AM with classes starting at 9:00 and running until 4:30PM. This free seminar will cover how to become a delegate to your county and state political party convention, how to become involved as a volunteer in the campaign of a pro-gun candidate, and how to set up and maintain telephone, fax and electronic communications networks for grassroots political action and information. We will also have a special presentation on using the Internet and the World Wide Web as an information resource. Please bring all your friends, fellow shooters and family members to this event. If you were a Political Party Delegate during 1994, and have not as yet received your USSC Delegate Information Package in the mail, or have changed addresses since the 1994 delegate training program, please contact USSC with your current address so we cam get you your copy of the USSC Delegate Information Package for the 1996 Mass Meetings and Party Caucuses. Please Duplicate and Distribute this Information to as many Utah Firearms Owners as Possible! Thanks Utah Shooting Sports Council - Office of Legislative Affairs PO Box 711819, Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819, Ph/Fax (801) 575-USSC E-Mail : usscinfo@aol.com World Wide Web Site: http://members.aol.com/usscinfo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) Subject: USSC Workshop Date: 17 Feb 1996 14:30:02 -0700 USSC to Host a Free 1996 Political Action Training Seminar on Saturday, 9 March 1996 at Olympus Hotel in Salt Lake City, Utah USSC, in cooperation the National Rifle Association, American Gun Review and several local political interests and issues organizations will host a special political action training seminar at the Olympus Hotel and Conference Center, 161 West 600 South in Salt Lake City on Saturday 9 March 1996. Registration begins at 8:30AM, with classes starting at 9:00AM and running until 4:30PM. This free seminar will cover how to become a delegate to your county and state political party convention, how to become involved as a volunteer in the political campaign of a pro-gun candidate, and how to set up and maintain telephone, fax and e-mail and other electronic communications networks for grassroots political action and sharing time-critical information. We will also have a special presentation on using the Internet and the World Wide Web as an information and communication resource, including a hands-on Internet demonstration and local sources for Internet access. Please bring all your friends, fellow shooters and family members to this event. Space is limited to 200 individuals, so we recommend you let USSC know in advance how many friends and associates you will be bringing to the event. Advance registration is not required, but those with advanced registration will be given preference if there are more than 200 attendees at the event. If you were a Political Party Delegate during 1994, and have not as yet received your USSC Delegate Information Package in the mail, or have changed addresses since the 1994 Delegate Training program, please contact USSC with your current address so we can get you your free copy of the USSC Delegate Information Package for the 1996 Mass Meetings and Party Caucuses. Please Duplicate and Distribute this Information to as many Utah Firearms Owners as Possible! Thanks! Utah Shooting Sports Council PO Box 711819, Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819, Ph/Fax (801) 575-USSC E-Mail : usscinfo@aol.com World Wide Web Site: http://members.aol.com/usscinfo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) Subject: USSC Workshop Date: 17 Feb 1996 14:30:25 -0700 USSC to Host a Free 1996 Political Action Training Seminar on Saturday, 9 March 1996 at Olympus Hotel in Salt Lake City, Utah USSC, in cooperation the National Rifle Association, American Gun Review and several local political interests and issues organizations will host a special political action training seminar at the Olympus Hotel and Conference Center, 161 West 600 South in Salt Lake City on Saturday 9 March 1996. Registration begins at 8:30AM, with classes starting at 9:00AM and running until 4:30PM. This free seminar will cover how to become a delegate to your county and state political party convention, how to become involved as a volunteer in the political campaign of a pro-gun candidate, and how to set up and maintain telephone, fax and e-mail and other electronic communications networks for grassroots political action and sharing time-critical information. We will also have a special presentation on using the Internet and the World Wide Web as an information and communication resource, including a hands-on Internet demonstration and local sources for Internet access. Please bring all your friends, fellow shooters and family members to this event. Space is limited to 200 individuals, so we recommend you let USSC know in advance how many friends and associates you will be bringing to the event. Advance registration is not required, but those with advanced registration will be given preference if there are more than 200 attendees at the event. If you were a Political Party Delegate during 1994, and have not as yet received your USSC Delegate Information Package in the mail, or have changed addresses since the 1994 Delegate Training program, please contact USSC with your current address so we can get you your free copy of the USSC Delegate Information Package for the 1996 Mass Meetings and Party Caucuses. Please Duplicate and Distribute this Information to as many Utah Firearms Owners as Possible! Thanks! Utah Shooting Sports Council PO Box 711819, Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819, Ph/Fax (801) 575-USSC E-Mail : usscinfo@aol.com World Wide Web Site: http://members.aol.com/usscinfo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: Alexander on "Abortion,Handguns and Assault Weapons." Date: 18 Feb 1996 02:06:27 EST Watching Alexande rally in Portsith, NH airing on C-Span now (0200 EST Sunday, 2/18). Was asked by audience member his position on "Abortion, Handguns, and Assault Weapons." His answer: On Abortion, "I'm pro-life and will do more than any other president to discourage abortions." But the federal government should not be involved. Should not subsizdize, encourage, nor prohibit, nor should they prevent States from prohibiting. On guns: "The best gun-control is SEVERE State lwas against people who use guns in the commission of a crime. Federal laws do not work." Does not like federal laws regulating guns in schools or school curriculum. "Next question." I only include his response to "abortion" because it was part of the origianl question and to give a feel for the type of response he gave overall to the question. Anything in quotes above is very close to verbatim. Outside quotes is paraphrased. I assume everyone here knows how severe State laws against those who use guns in the commission of crimes can bite the innocent. If not, drop a line to Rick Mase and ask. His response also begs the question, What does a man who uses the phrase 'best gun-control' REALLY think about your RKBA? FWIW. ------- Charles C. Hardy bagpiper@mit.edu |If MIT has an opinion PGP public key available on a server near |on these things, you you, via finger bagpiper@monk.mit.edu |can bet they wouldn't or by request. |have me express it. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever. --Thomas Jefferson NOTES ON THE STATE OF VIRGINIA "Freedom means respecting the views of those who may disagree with the views of their government." --Hillary Rodham Clinton addressing the U.N.'s Women's Conference in Beijing, 5 Sept, 1995. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gavinsw@aros.net (gavinsw) Subject: USSC Alert #26 Date: 20 Feb 1996 10:56:21 -0700 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #26 Information Current as of 10:00am Tuesday 20 February 1996 Triggerlock Bill in Committee TODAY! The amended Triggerlock bill, SB93 - Firearm Locking Device - Senator Lane Beattie, R-Bountiful, will be heard today at 3:00pm in room 403 of the State Capitol in the House Education Standing Committee. It is very important that you call and leave a message or fax each member of this committee BEFORE 3pm TODAY urging them to oppose SB93 or support "Firearms Safety Information" in Lieu of the locking device requirement. The House phone is (801)538-1029. The House FAX is (801) 538-1908 The Committee Members are: Beverly Ann Evans, Chair, Vice Chair, Sheryl L. Allen, Ron Bigelow, Judy Ann Buffmire, Marda Dillree, Lloyd Frandsen, Darlene Gubler, J. Brent Haymond, Neal B. Hendrickson, Shirley V. Jensen, Keele Johnson, Patricia B. Larson, Grant D. Protzman, Nora B. Stephens, Pete Suazo, Jordan Tanner, A. LaMont Tyler HB192 Negligent Storage of a Firearm, Rep. Dave Jones, D-SLC, will be heard in tomorrow, 21-February-96 at 8:00am in room 303 of the State Capitol in the House Energy, Natural Resources and Agriculture Committee. In light of the recent media support for this legislation, it is extremely urgent that you call each member of this Committee and urge them to oppose HB192. The Committee Members are: Brad Johnson; David Ure ; Eli Anderson; Stephen Bodily; Beverly Evans; Christine Fox ; Brent Goodfellow; James Gowans; Tom Hatch; Dennis Iverson; Tom Matthews ; Tim Moran ; Evan Olsen; Jack Seitz; Michael Styler; Lamont Tyler; Bill Wright The House phone is (801)538-1029. The House FAX is (801) 538-1908 There are just 7 days left in the 1996 General Session. Keep calling!!! FAX ALERT The Utah Shooting Sports Council PO Box 711819 - Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819 Phone/Fax (801)575-USSC E-Mail:USSCINFO@aol.com Internet Web Site: http://members.aol.com/USSCINFO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) Subject: USSC Alert #27 Date: 20 Feb 1996 20:53:46 -0700 Utah Shooting Sports Council 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #27 Information Current as of 5:00 PM Tuesday 20 February 1996 Triggerlock Bill Now Out of House Education Committee and On House Floor for Vote!! 1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device-Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) This new substitute bill will create a section in the Utah Criminal Code entitled "External Locking Device Required on All Firearms." The bill would have required all persons licensed under 18 USC 923 (all FFL holders) who are engaged in selling, leasing or otherwise transferring any firearm to any member of the public (any non-FFL holder) to equip each firearm so transferred with an external locking device which will temporarily prevent the firearm from functioning when affixed to the firearm. SB 93 was amended by the sponsor on the Senate Floor to include the following changes from the version of the bill we have been following in recent Fax Alerts. The changes include removal of the requirement to sell a locking device with each purchase or transfer and replacing it with a requirement that the dealer "affirmatively offer to sell" a locking device. Dealers must have a locking device available for sale that will lock the type of firearm purchased, and must "explain the locking device's use and why it may be needed." Any violation by the dealer will be an infraction level criminal offense, punishable by a $50.00 fine per violation. It was clear from the discussions on the Senate floor and from statements made by the sponsor in the House Education committee that this was just the beginning of this type of legislation, and a number of Senators and others spoke in favor of the original bill with it's mandatory sale of the locking device. Only Reps. Ron Bigelow, Nora Stephens and Darlene Gubler voted against the bill in the House Education committee. SB93 now goes before the entire Utah House for a floor vote within the next few days. If it passes the House Floor Vote, IT WILL BECOME LAW. Your only chance to stop the bill is to begin calling your Utah State Representatives and ask them to vote against SB93 in the House. Call your representative at (801)538-1029 or Fax to (801) 538-1908 and keep calling and faxing until you hear the bill has been defeated! Negligent Storage Bill in Committee Wednesday at 8:00 AM! HB 192 Negligent Storage of a Firearm-Representative David Jones (D-SLC) This bill is will be heard before the Utah House Energy, Natural Resources and Agriculture Committee at 8:00AM Wednesday, 21 January in room 303 of the State Capitol. We encourage you to attend the hearing and to contact your Utah State Representatives urging them to oppose the bill. Call your representative at (801)538-1029 or Fax to (801) 538-1908 and keep calling and faxing until you hear the bill has been defeated! USSC to Host a Free 1996 Political Action Training Seminar on Saturday, 9 March 1996 at Olympus Hotel in Salt Lake City, Utah USSC, in cooperation the National Rifle Association, American Gun Review and several local political interests and issues organizations will host a special political action training seminar at the Olympus Hotel and Conference Center, 161 West 600 South in Salt Lake City on Saturday 9 March 1996. Registration begins at 8:30 AM with classes starting at 9:00 and running until 4:30PM. This free seminar will cover how to become a delegate to your county and state political party convention, how to become involved as a volunteer in the campaign of a pro-gun candidate, and how to set up and maintain telephone, fax and electronic communications networks for grassroots political action and information. We will also have a special presentation on using the Internet and the World Wide Web as an information resource. Please bring all your friends, fellow shooters and family members to this event. If you were a Political Party Delegate during 1994, and have not as yet received your USSC Delegate Information Package in the mail, or have changed addresses since the 1994 delegate training program, please contact USSC with your current address so we cam get you your copy of the USSC Delegate Information Package for the 1996 Mass Meetings and Party Caucuses. Please Duplicate and Distribute this Information to as many Utah Firearms Owners as Possible! Thanks Utah Shooting Sports Council - Office of Legislative Affairs PO Box 711819, Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819, Ph/Fax (801) 575-USSC E-Mail : usscinfo@aol.com World Wide Web Site: http://members.aol.com/usscinfo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: Re: USSC Alert #27 Date: 21 Feb 1996 01:25:49 EST >> Triggerlock Bill Now Out of House Education Committee and On House Floor for >> Vote!! >> SB93 now goes before the entire Utah House for a floor vote within the >> next few days. If it passes the House Floor Vote, IT WILL BECOME LAW. Your ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> only chance to stop the bill is to begin calling your Utah State What do you mean it will become law? Is our "good old country boy from rural utah" Gov. in favor of this piece of grabage? If so maybe it is time to start thinking real serious about a replacemtnet. ------- Charles C. Hardy bagpiper@mit.edu |If MIT has an opinion PGP public key available on a server near |on these things, you you, via finger bagpiper@monk.mit.edu |can bet they wouldn't or by request. |have me express it. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever. --Thomas Jefferson NOTES ON THE STATE OF VIRGINIA "Freedom means respecting the views of those who may disagree with the views of their government." --Hillary Rodham Clinton addressing the U.N.'s Women's Conference in Beijing, 5 Sept, 1995. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chad@pengar.com (Chad Leigh -- The Electronic GunShop) Subject: ROC/NOBAN party this summer in Utah! Date: 21 Feb 1996 04:29:09 -0700 A brainstorm I had, after some discussion with a few ROCheads and former Df8 folks, leads me to extend an invitation to come to Utah this summer for a few days for some great fun and some serious work for the Fall election cycle. * Meet ROC and NOBAN (and Utah-Firearms) friends. Invite our FAP friends as well! (I don't hang out there so someone here who does should) * Shoot a lot (bring your guns and I will have mine) * eat a lot (barbeques etc.) * get ready for the fall including maybe work on Df8 style efforts if the right places and people work out for such an effort. * Other activities * maybe some election seminars on what we can do if someone wants to offer such a thing * strategy sessions * bull sessions The goal is to start on a Thursday Night and end on a Sunday Night. I will try and arrange inexpensive motels and stuff and to organize some barbeques and meals for the events as well as some ranges we can shoot at (if nothing else we will just drive out into the desert :-) (Thursday Night, All Day Friday and Saturday, Sunday Night) Food and shooting everyday with some serious work interspersed. After we are done or before we start (ie, after Sunday or Before thursday) you can also make a mini vacation out here in Utah -- Southern Utah is beautiful with Bryce and Zions Canyons and all that stuff. For you Mtn Bikers there is Moab, and there is a lot of fishing and mountains to climb and woods and all that and I believe some rivers to go on as well :-) So you can spend a few days before our after with your families on a nice vacation. Think about it Food, Folks, Fun and Guns, and then a vacation to boot! The event will be July sometime probably, based on feedback. July 4-7 would be nice as we could start off with the July 4th celebrations. Anyway, I need to know who wants to come (and who can come) and what weekend in July or thereabouts is best for you. Come and meet your cyber buddies face to face. (Anybody got a .50bmg rifle to bring? Utah has nice flat spaces and I have never shot such a beast and I really want to :-) regards Chad ------------------------- Live Free or Die ! --------------------------- Chad Leigh | When Guns are Outlawed, Criminals Win! Pengar Enterprises, Inc -- Home of The Electronic GunShop (sm) http://www.xmission.com/~pengar/gunshop mailto:gunshop@pengar.com http://www.xmission.com/~pengar/gunshop/egs_text.html for text interface Ask me about it! Free Personal Classifieds and inexpensive Commercial Ads, & free Firearms and Activism Info --------------------$4/month commercial WWW space!!!-------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chad@pengar.com (Chad Leigh -- The Electronic GunShop) Subject: I think Einid's going to run Date: 21 Feb 1996 04:53:40 -0700 Hello Utah-Firearms folks! A week or two ago I got 2 letters in the mail from Einid Greene (Waldholtz). Based on these letters alone (both were the same letter in content) I make this prediction. In both of them she was not directly replying to any letters I had sent recently, but was mailing me because she knew of my interest in this ares. "This area" being the repeal of the 94 Gun Ban and RKBA in general. She said that she was co-sponsoring HR 464 which is a bill by Stockman of Texas that is a gun ban repeal alone, not dressed with other crap like HR1488. I believe this co-sponsorship is new. I (and many others) had asked her last year to do it and stuff without any reply or action. I think this is a new bid for support by gun owners. She knows she won in 94 because of the gun vote and is trying to get our early support. That is how I see it... Chad ------------------------- Live Free or Die ! --------------------------- Chad Leigh | When Guns are Outlawed, Criminals Win! Pengar Enterprises, Inc -- Home of The Electronic GunShop (sm) http://www.xmission.com/~pengar/gunshop mailto:gunshop@pengar.com http://www.xmission.com/~pengar/gunshop/egs_text.html for text interface Ask me about it! Free Personal Classifieds and inexpensive Commercial Ads, & free Firearms and Activism Info --------------------$4/month commercial WWW space!!!-------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: Re: ROC/NOBAN party this summer in Utah! Date: 21 Feb 1996 12:25:21 EST >A brainstorm I had, after some discussion with a few ROCheads and former >Df8 folks, leads me to extend an invitation to come to Utah this summer for >a few days for some great fun and some serious work for the Fall election >cycle. Sounds like great fun. >Southern Utah is >beautiful with Bryce and Zions Canyons and all that stuff. For you Mtn ^^^^^^^ >Bikers there is Moab, and there is a lot of fishing and mountains to climb I'm really not being petty, just continuing a life long crsade to get the name of this park pronounced and spelled correctly. ;) There is no "s" in Zion Nation Park, nor Zion Canyon, nor even the Biblical Zion from which the name comes. It is neither plural nor possesive. Just a Southern Utah native whose family grew up in and around Zion canyon. :) ------- Charles C. Hardy bagpiper@mit.edu |If MIT has an opinion PGP public key available on a server near |on these things, you you, via finger bagpiper@monk.mit.edu |can bet they wouldn't or by request. |have me express it. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever. --Thomas Jefferson NOTES ON THE STATE OF VIRGINIA "Freedom means respecting the views of those who may disagree with the views of their government." --Hillary Rodham Clinton addressing the U.N.'s Women's Conference in Beijing, 5 Sept, 1995. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gavinsw@aros.net (gavinsw) Subject: USSC Alert #28 Date: 21 Feb 1996 11:27:43 -0700 1996 Utah Legislative Fax Alert #28 Information Current as of 10:00am Wed. 21-Feb-96 Negligent Storage Bill Will Be Heard Tomorrow! HB192 Negligent Storage of a Firearm, Rep. Dave Jones, D-SLC, The House Energy, Natural Resources and Agriculture Committee delayed hearing this bill until tomorrow, Thursday 22-February-96 at 4:00pm in room 403 of the State Capitol. In light of the recent media support for this legislation, it is extremely urgent that you call each member of this Committee and urge them to oppose HB192. Tomorrow will be the last day of committee action this 1996 Legislative Session, so please make every effort to attend this hearing. The Television Media will be there in force, so please dress appropriately. The Committee Members are: Brad Johnson, David Ure, Eli Anderson, Stephen Bodily, Beverly Evans, Christine Fox , Brent Goodfellow, James Gowans, Tom Hatch, Dennis Iverson, Tom Matthews , Tim Moran , Evan Olsen, Jack Seitz, Michael Styler, Lamont Tyler, Bill Wright The House phone is (801)538-1029. The House FAX is (801) 538-1908 SB93 - Firearm Locking Device - Senator Lane Beattie, R-Bountiful This bill is now in the House of Representatives for floor action. Please call your Representatives and urge them to OPPOSE SB93. The House phone is (801)538-1029. The House FAX is (801) 538-1908. The bill has been amended to replace the requirement of the purchase of a triggerlocking device with a requirement for the dealer to "affirmatively offer to sell" a locking device. Dealers would be required to have locking devices available for sale that will lock each and every type of firearm that they sell, trade or transfer and they will also be required to explain the locking device's use and why it may be needed. Any violation by the dealer will be an infraction level criminal offense, punishable by a $50.00 fine per violation. USSC offered amendments on the floor which would have removed the requirement for the mandatory purchase of a locking device and replaced it with a strong encouragement to provide a firearms safety information publication listing principles of firearms safety, storage options, a directory of public shooting ranges and facilities, and resources and organizations which might provide additional training or information. The USSC proposed amendment was soundly defeated in favor of the sponsor's amendment described above. Although the bill in its current form is less objectionable, USSC remains opposed to its passage. It is clear from the discussions on the Senate floor that this bill is just the beginning of this type of legislation and it clearly provides the framework for more restrictions on your rights as law-abiding firearms owners of Utah. There are just 6 days left in this 1996 General Session! Keep calling!!! The Utah Shooting Sports Council PO Box 711819 - Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819 Phone/Fax (801)575-USSC Internet E-Mail: USSCINFO@aol.com http://members.aol.com/USSCINFO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: NH primary history Date: 21 Feb 1996 16:59:31 EST Anyone notice how prior to the NH primary last night, when common wisdom said that Dole would win it by at least a little, all the talking heads were so quick to point out that no Republican candidate who had failed to win NH had EVER won. Anyone notice how little they've heard of that history tidbit since Dole lost NH. Certainely this is a quirky year for politics and I wouldn't bet more than I could lose on the outcome of this thing regardless of NH. But I would be willing to bet real money, that had Dole pulled off NH, "even by one vote", we would still be hearing about what a wonderful (perfect in the case of the Republicans) predictor the NH primary was as to which candidate would receive the nomination. Instead we are now hearing how different the rest of the country is from NH and how there is certainely no way Buchanan can fair so well elsewhere in the nation. Seems like he couldn't fair well in these first 4 races according to the talking heads. The press hates him. I like him more and more. ------- Charles C. Hardy bagpiper@mit.edu |If MIT has an opinion PGP public key available on a server near |on these things, you you, via finger bagpiper@monk.mit.edu |can bet they wouldn't or by request. |have me express it. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever. --Thomas Jefferson NOTES ON THE STATE OF VIRGINIA "Freedom means respecting the views of those who may disagree with the views of their government." --Hillary Rodham Clinton addressing the U.N.'s Women's Conference in Beijing, 5 Sept, 1995. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: Republicrats views on Spc New -- Forwarded Date: 21 Feb 1996 18:14:41 EST Forwarded from fap ------- Forwarded Message Although I'm a Libertarian, it's only fair to share these comments: Buchanan: "... on Inauguration Day, I'm going to sit down a sign a pardon..." Alexander: "... Nevertheless, he disobeyed orders, and was properly discharged." Dole: "... discipline is a critical element in maintaining military unit cohesion." Forbes: No response. Lugar: "... allowing members to refuse deployment on the basis of their political views or their personal interpretation of the Constitution would set a precedent that would weaken military discipline." Clinton: [You guessed it]: "... is now under review by military authorities who will make their recommendation." [I'll bet he feels the pain, too] ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: Weld backs now MA gun control Date: 23 Feb 1996 18:06:44 EST FYI The Massachussetts legislature has proposed a new victim disarmament bill dealing with nasty "assault weapons" in anticipation that certain federal controls (ie AW ban) may be repealed. I caught just a snippet on the news last night. They had the obligatory table of evil looking black guns. Front page story in the Globe this morning is Gov. Weld's strong support of this bill. Someone remind me again of which candidate(s) thought Weld would make a good VP (and President and tie breaking member of the Senate). Weld is currently running for the senate. --------- Charles C. Hardy bagpiper@mit.edu |If MIT has an opinion PGP public key available on a server near |on these things, you you, via finger bagpiper@monk.mit.edu |can bet they wouldn't or by request. |have me express it. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever. --Thomas Jefferson NOTES ON THE STATE OF VIRGINIA "Freedom means respecting the views of those who may disagree with the views of their government." --Hillary Rodham Clinton addressing the U.N.'s Women's Conference in Beijing, 5 Sept, 1995. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) Subject: USSC Alert #31 Date: 25 Feb 1996 20:11:34 -0700 Utah Shooting Sports Council 1996 Utah Legislative Alert #31 Information Current as of 6:00 PM Sunday 25 February 1996 Utah Legislature 6th Week in Review Triggerlock Bill House Floor for Vote Expected on Monday! 1ST Substitute SB93-Firearm Locking Device Senator Lane Beattie (R-Bountiful) SB 93 was amended by the sponsor on the Senate Floor to include removal of the requirement to sell a locking device with each purchase or transfer and replacing it with a requirement that the dealer "affirmatively offer to sell" a locking device. Dealers must have a locking device available for sale that will lock the type of firearm purchased, and must "explain the locking device's use and why it may be needed." Any violation by the dealer will be an infraction level criminal offense, punishable by a $50.00 fine per violation. It was clear from the discussions on the Senate floor and from statements made by the sponsor in the House Education committee that this was just the beginning of this type of legislation, and a number of Senators and others spoke in favor of the original bill with it's mandatory sale of the locking device. SB 93 now goes before the entire Utah House for a floor vote probably on Friday. If it passes the House Floor Vote, IT WILL BECOME LAW. USSC has suggested a number of changes to the bill, which will change the triggerlock sales pitch requirement to a firearms safety education publication included at point of sale. This will allow the consumer to make an informed decision, find additional information and training to encourage safe and responsible firearms ownership and use. YOUR ACTION REQUIRED: Call your Utah State Representative at (801)538-1029 or Fax to (801)538-1908 or (801) 538-9505 and keep calling and faxing until you hear from USSC that the bill has been either amended to include the firearms safety information publication or has been defeated on the House Floor. HB 418-Secure Facilities Amendments-Rep. Michael Waddoups (R-Taylorsville) This bill will help meet specific concerns of law enforcement and the courts regarding the possession of weapons within specific, non-public access high security areas of correctional facilities, courts, law enforcement facilities and mental health facilities. This will require that any of these agencies that wish to have a "secure area must follow very specific criteria, such as providing secure storage lockers for CCW holders to store firearms, posting of signs at all entry points, and using the administrative rulemaking process with it's public notice, review and input prior to designating such areas. USSC proposed an amendment which would make the agency declaring a secure area fully responsible for the physical safety of an individual while in a secure area, but this was removed in committee Thursday morning. USSC will carefully monitor this bill to insure that no further amendments which might adversely impact Utah firearms owners will be added. This bill is on the Governor's "Must Pass" list, so please make sure you monitor USSC Fax Alerts and your local sources on information for the current status of this bill. It is now in the Utah Senate for their consideration. HB 482-Juvenile offender Amendments-Rep. Michael Waddoups (R-Taylorsville) This bill will allow Public Safety to access the records of juveniles convicted of violent felony level criminal behavior and prevent them from getting a concealed carry permit or lawfully purchasing a firearm. It also allows for a juvenile with such a background to apply for expungement of such a record with the court. USSC feels that such violent juveniles should be held accountable for their actions, and supports the bill. Remember that the1996 Legislative Session ends at midnight on Feb 28th. In these final days and hours, anything can happen. Please keep a close watch on the USSC fax alert network and your media outlets to ensure that you are informed of the critical issue that impact you as a Utah firearms owner. Please Duplicate and Distribute this information to as many Utah Firearms Owners as Possible! Thanks Utah Shooting Sports Council - Office of Legislative Affairs PO Box 711819, Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819, Ph/Fax (801) 575-USSC E-Mall: USSCINFO@aol.com World Wide Web Site: http://members.aol.com/usscinfo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) Subject: USSC Alert #32 Date: 27 Feb 1996 00:05:37 -0700 1996 Utah Legislative Alert #32 This information Current as of 5:00pm Monday 26 February 1996 Triggerlock Bill Amended on House Floor! Senate Won't Concur!!! SB93 - Firearm Locking Device - Senator Lane Beattie ( R-Bountiful) This bill was favorably amended on the House Floor and renamed "Firearms Safety Publication". This amended version of SB93 replaces the requirement of the dealer to "affirmatively offer to sell" a locking device with a requirement to provide a firearms safety publication at point of sale. The House voted 65 to 4 in favor of this version and sent the bill to the Senate for concurrence. The Senate did NOT concur with the House Amended SB93 and returned the bill to the House. Your Action Required: Call your Representatives at (801)538-1029 or FAX to (801)538-1908 or (801)538-9505 and urge them to continue to support the Amended SB93 Firearms Safety Publication as passed by the House on Monday, 26-February. Then call your Senators at (801)538-1035 or FAX to (801)538-1414 and urge them to concur with the Amended SB93 Firearms Safety Publication as passed by the House on Monday, 26-February. The 1996 Legislative Session ends at Midnight on Wednesday, 28-February so keep calling and faxing! Please duplicate and distribute this information to as many Utah Firearms Owners as Possible! Thanks. The Utah Shooting Sports Council PO Box 711819 - Salt Lake City, Utah 84171-1819 Phone/Fax (801)575-USSC Internet E-Mail: USSCINFO@aol.com Internet Web Site: http://members.aol.com/USSCINFO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: Steve Forbes progun? [Liberty or Death: A Strong Suggestion] Date: 29 Feb 1996 03:02:21 EST Forwarded from fap fyi without further comment as I know nothing else concerning this matter. ------- Forwarded Message Dear Mr. Forbes, I was shocked today to find that US Representative Bob Franks is your campaign co-chair. Steve, even Bill Clinton admitted during his last year's state of the union address that gun owners were "to blame" for the loss of a large number of congressional seats. We gun owners have frankly, if you'll pardon the pun, had *enough* of unconstitutional government intrusion into our lives, and that includes the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, as guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. Rep. Franks is a strong supporter of gun control. How can you, with a straight face, claim that you believe in the right to keep and bear arms and have this man as CAMPAIGN CO-CHAIR??? Am I missing something here? Or are you not who you claim to be after all? Look, Steve, America has had ENOUGH of lying, stealing politicians, as epitomized by our current slimeball-in-chief. You claim to be an outsider to politics-as-usual, and I was sincerely hoping that you really were. But this doesn't look good at all, and I'm very concerned. May I suggest that Mr. Franks be removed immediately from his position in your campaign? If he is not, you can count on losing the support of a rather large percentage of your conservative gun-owning backers. This post is being distributed to several thousand of them. Thanks for your time. Do it right. Sincerely, Monte Cooley President, Oregonians for Freedom & Responsibility ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Hardy Subject: ["J. R. Lynch": Fwd: MEDIA: Child defensive uses needed by Nickelodeon] Date: 29 Feb 1996 03:07:41 EST Maybe someone here knows of an incident as asked for below. Forwarded FYI. ------- Forwarded Message In response to DIPR's recent press release about the protective uses of guns, I was contacted by, among others, Ms. Anne Marie Cunniff of Nick News (of the Nickelodeon cable channel). Ms. Cunniff is looking for a specific type of anecdote involving self-defense with a gun to match with anecdotal gun tragedies for a program on "kids and guns." She wants to find families with children over 8 years of age who can recount a story involving the protective use of a gun. She also wants to discuss Second Amendment issues. Here's the catch - she wants the _child_ to tell the story, so we need a specific set of circumstances _and_ an articulate child. If you have or know someone in this set of circumstances (or close to it), please contact Ms. Cunniff directly at 212-463-0029 or by e-mail at AMARIE@ldp.com. Thank you for your help. Edgar A. Suter MD Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research Inc. ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gavinsw@aros.net (Gavin Wallace) Subject: USSC Update 2/29/96 Date: 29 Feb 1996 10:32:46 -0700 A quick recap of the final day of the 1996 Utah Legislative General Session: SB93 - Firearm Locking Device - Sen. Lane Beattie (R- Bountiful) This bill is DEAD! The Senate would not concur on the House Amended 2nd Substitute SB93 "Firearms Safety Publication" and the bill died in the Senate. USSC was willing to allow the bill to be further amended to require that the Safety Publication included an explanation of triggerlocking devices as well as safes and other locking storage devices, but the sponsor was not interested or was unwilling to support this concept. HB8 - Limitation of Civil Liability - Rep. Sue Lockman (R-Kearns) PASSED in a heavily amended and weakened version. HB303 - Cruelty to Animals - Rep. Frank Pinganelli (D-SLC) This bill is DEAD! The amended version of this bill did not come to a vote in the Senate. HB196 - Redifining Unlawful Activities Rep. Steve Barth (D-SLC) This bill is DEAD! Although this bill was amended to include only felony level wildlife violations to be classified under the RICO statutes, it failed to come to a vote in the Senate. We will have a complete recap for you as soon as possible. Thanks, Gavin Wallace Utah Shooting Sports Council PO Box 711819 SLC, UT 84171-1819 Phone/FAX (801)575-USSC Email USSCINFO@aol.com Web Site http://members.aol.com/USSCINFO