From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #15 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Tuesday, January 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 015 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:21:37 -0700 From: Will Thompson Subject: Nothing to do with firearms, but what the hey... > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 98 23:40:25 EST > >From:drudge@drudgereport.com > >To: DRUDGE@drudgereport.com > >Subject: DRUDGE-REPORT-EXCLUSIVE 1/18/98 > > > >XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX 06:11 UTC SUN JAN 18 1998 XXXXX > > > >NEWSWEEK KILLS STORY ON WHITE HOUSE INTERN > > > >BLOCKBUSTER REPORT: 23-YEAR OLD, FORMER WHITE HOUSE INTERN, SEX > >RELATIONSHIP WITH PRESIDENT > > > >**World Exclusive** > >**Must Credit the DRUDGE REPORT** > > > >At the last minute, at 6 p.m. on Saturday evening, NEWSWEEK magazine killed > >a story that was destined to shake official Washington to its foundation: A > >White House intern carried on a sexual affair with the President of the > >United States! > > > >The DRUDGE REPORT has learned that reporter Michael Isikoff developed the > >story of his career, only to have it spiked by top NEWSWEEK suits hours > >before publication. A young woman, 23, sexually involved with the love of > >her life, the President of the United States, since she was a 21-year-old > >intern at the White House. She was a frequent visitor to a small study just > >off the Oval Office where she claims to have indulged the president's sexual > >preference. Reports of the relationship spread in White House quarters and > >she was moved to a job at the Pentagon, where she worked until last week. > > > >The young intern wrote long love letters to President Clinton, which she > >delivered through a delivery service. She was a frequent visitor at the > >White House after midnight, where she checked in the WAVE logs as visiting a > >secretary named Betty Curry, 57. > > > >The DRUDGE REPORT has learned that tapes of intimate phone conversations > >exist. > > > >The relationship between the president and the young woman become strained > >when the president believed that the young woman was bragging to others > >about the affair. > > > >NEWSWEEK and Isikoff were planning to name the woman. Word of the story's > >impeding release caused blind chaos in media circles; TIME magazine spent > >Saturday scrambling for its own version of the story, the DRUDGE REPORT has > >learned. The NEW YORK POST on Sunday was set to front the young intern's > >affair, but was forced to fall back on the dated ABC NEWS Kathleen Willey > >break. > > > >The story was set to break just hours after President Clinton testified in > >the Paula Jones sexual harassment case. > > > >Ironically, several years ago, it was Isikoff that found himself in a > >shouting match with editors who were refusing to publish even a portion of > >his meticulously researched investigative report that was to break Paula > >Jones. Isikoff worked for the WASHINGTON POST at the time, and left shortly > >after the incident to build them for the paper's sister magazine, NEWSWEEK. > > > >Michael Isikoff was not available for comment late Saturday. NEWSWEEK was > >on voice mail. > > > >The White House was busy checking the DRUDGE REPORT for details. > > > >Developing... > > > >____________________________________________________ > >Filed by Matt Drudge > >The REPORT is moved when circumstances warrant > >http://www.drudgereport.com for breaks > >(c)DRUDGE REPORT 1998 > >Not for reproduction without permission of the author - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:25:29 -0700 From: "S. Thompson" Subject: Re: Know Thy Enemy Give it a BREAK!! HCI is a MUCH better friend than the ASSC - I'll take a known enemy over one who pretends to be my "friend" any day. The ASSC was at the forefront of the mandatory trigger lock agreement. Worse, they support truly repressive national firearms laws. Check out the following, and then check out their website _carefully_. BOSTON, Jan. 14 (UPI) _ Firearms manufacturers have filed suit to block first-in-the-nation gun control regulations in Massachusetts just one day before the new rules are set to take effect.=20 The regulations, the first to be issued under a state's consumer protection laws, effectively ban the sale of so-called ``Saturday Night Specials'' and require all handguns sold in Massachusetts to include child-proofing features, tamper-proof serial numbers and consumer safety warnings.=20 The suit, filed in Superior Court in Boston, accuses state Attorney General Scott Harshbarger of exceeding his authority in drawing up the rules. It contends the regulations violate the companies' constitutional right to due process and place an ``undue burden'' on interstate commerce.=20 At a hastily called news conference, Harshbarger accused the gun lobby of ``putting the lives of our children at serious risk.'' He said the move shows ``how out of touch the (industry) is with the vast majority of people in Massachusetts.''=20 ffff,0000,0000A spokesman for the American Sports Shooting Council, one of the plaintiffs, said the gunmakers are not necessarily opposed to the rules but contend they should be imposed nationwide, not on a state-by-state basis.=20 Richard Feldman said, ``We can't manufacture products in 50 different flavors.'' He added, ``If it's a good idea, we're happy to do it, but let's do it nationally.''=20 Also joining the suit were the Massachusetts-based Smith & Wesson Corp., Glock Inc. and Taurus Firearms International Co.=20 Sun Tzu's Newswire Index at URL: -- http://www.ccnet.com/~suntzu75/pirn.htm At 08:01 AM 1/19/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Web sites to check out: >http://www.assc.org/afc/afchome.html >http://www.assc.org/index.html > >Vol.2 No. 2, Fall 1996 >AFC Journal > >EDUCATING AMERICA ABOUT FIREARMS > >Know Thy Enemy > >by John Riggio > >If you want insight and an eye-opening, wake-up call of what the anti-gun >crowd has in store for gun owners and the firearm industry, you should >personally attend one of their conferences and witness firsthand their >fervor and fanaticism and the propaganda they dish out. > >That's exactly what I got when I attended the Midwest Conference Against >Handgun Violence in Chicago this summer organized by the Illinois Council >Against Handgun Violence and sponsored by the Center to Prevent=20 Handgun >Violence, an arm of Sarah Brady's Handgun Control, Inc. > >>From their names, they'd like you to believe they're concerned with handgun >violence. But they're not so much concerned with the violence as just the >handgun part. > >For a day and a half I sat biting my tongue as I heard some of the=20 most >incredible "disinformation" and distortion about guns and watched >impressionable citizens worked into a mindless frenzy over firearms. > >Experts from various professions addressed topics ranging from fund raising >and organizational development, to generating media publicity,=20 building >coalitions with like-minded groups (like anti-hunting and animal=20 rights >advocates), and how to "educate" voters on gun control issues. > >These people have created an industry of their own called "gun control" and >they are "franchising" it across the country and expertly marketing it as >"anti-violence." > >These people are serious, organized and well-funded. They see absolutely no >use for firearms of any kind. They dismiss self-protection with a gun as a >promotional gimmick of firearm companies and continually refer to that >discredited study that claims a gun in the home is more dangerous to a >homeowner than to a housebreaker. > >They see hunting as uncivilized and cruel. They view recreational and >competition shooting as pastimes that foster violent, criminal behavior. > >They oppose firearm safety training because they believe it indoctrinates >youth into the "culture of guns." > >They depict gun clubs and gun owner organizations as right-wing, >lunatic-fringe groups on the brink of overthrowing the government. > >In their eyes, as a licensed gun dealer, I am a "merchant of death"=20 and >average gun owners are misguided members of an "unenlightened" class who >must be protected from themselves. > >These people are serious and sincere in their beliefs that guns are=20 the >root of all evil. Above all else, they are intolerant. Intolerant of views >that differ from their own. Intolerant of facts that challenge the validity >of their own perceptions. They don't want to be confused with facts. They >know what is right and what is right is that gun ownership is wrong. > >Seeing all of this firsthand left me with the clear impression that=20 the >anti-gunners have decided advantages over our side. One is the passion they >bring to their cause. They are committed to their goals and the belief that >they are on a mission to save not just one life, but the whole world. > >Another advantage they enjoy is the fact that their only focus, their primary >business, is to rid the world of guns and they are united in that effort. > >For those of us in the industry, most of our time is spent trying to earn >an honest day's wages. We're tired after a 12-hour shift or a 70-hour work >week. There's not enough time left for the family or friends much less >politics and proselytizing for converts to our side. And, the margin=20 of >profit I make in selling guns doesn't leave much for contributing to the >organizations we need to counter groups like HCI, which receives huge >grants from multi-national foundations and gets free work from Madison >Avenue ad agencies and law firms. > >Still, I try my best, to support our cause, not just because my livelihood >depends on it, but because I am a true believer in individual rights and >individual responsibility. Nowhere are these concepts better illustrated >than in the individual right to keep and bear arms, and in the holding of >the individual criminal responsible when he or she abuses that right. > >Throughout the day at my gun shop, my staff and I work hard at selling >guns. But we also work hard at selling the need for our customers to=20 be >safe, responsible, and politically active gun owners. > >That is a challenge all of us must take. We must do more as businessmen and >women in this industry to fight against the likes of Sarah Brady and her >growing gun control franchises. > >We've got to stop letting the few in this industry, like the American >Shooting Sports Council, do 98% of our job. As an industry trade >association, ASSC is doing great work. But they need help. They need the >support of each of us in this industry. > >Besides joining the ASSC, one of the more critical things each of us can >do, is to personally attend an anti-gun conference and see for=20 yourself >their plans and strategies and learn firsthand what they have in store for >the future of the firearm industry and firearm ownership. >=3D=3D=3D > >John Riggio is the owner of a successful gunshop and has been in the >firearm business for 30 years and is a member of ASSC. > >=A91996, 1997, The American Firearms Council >for information concerning this web site, contact George Miller >Last modified: January 29, 1997 Sarah Thompson, M.D. PO Box 1185 Sandy, UT 84091-1185 http://www.therighter.com I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air. Margaret Thatcher (b. 1925) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:09:06 -0700 From: "S. Thompson" Subject: Guns and Bigots - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wednesday, Jan. 14, the Salt Lake Tribune ran the following "idiotorial": http://www.sltrib.com/98/jan/011498/opinion/opinion.asp > Wednesday, January 14, 1998 > Silly Comparison > Rob Bishop would be a more effective advocate for > the gun lobby if he would stop shooting off > ill-considered criticisms of school and workplace > firearm restrictions. > The average person is sympathetic to and might even > support the right to own and bear arms. Up to the point, > however, where that right conflicts with the right to > work, learn and live in reasonably safe surroundings. > Bishop, who wears a curious collection of hats that > includes chairman of the state Republican Party and > lobbyist for the Utah Shooting Sports Council (USSC), > said last week he considers university officials > preventing licensed guns from being carried on campus > similar to public officials disobeying laws on enrolling > minorities at state colleges and universities. The > comparison is just plain silly. > It's like saying drunken drivers are discriminated > against because drinking alcohol is legal. Even if > driving while intoxicated doesn't always lead to a > serious accident, drinking and driving imposes an > unacceptable risk on the general public. > The presence of guns in inappropriate public places > can reduce safety of the surroundings. A home in which > firearms are present is more subject to accidental > injury or death from those weapons than a home that > contains no guns. Clearly, that's also true for a public > classroom, an office or a factory floor. > Bishop and his gun-rights employers are not > contending with prejudice, they are battling statistics. > > The irony in Bishop's comments is the impression > that the gun lobby is, indeed, unreasonable. If Bishop > and his colleagues do not comprehend the difference > between discrimination against a human being and > attempts to prevent avoidable risks to the public, they > can hardly be relied on for an understanding as to where > a gun owner's rights begin and end. > And that is largely what the gun-toting issue will > be about during this year's Utah legislative session. > When the Legislature two years ago said > concealed-weapons permits are valid without restriction, > it provoked a debate over whether ``without > restriction'' guaranteed a gun owner's right to carry > firearms into a school, a church or the workplace. It is > unlikely the public -- other than gun lovers -- would > condone a definition of ``without restriction'' that > prevents schools, churches or places of employment > posting ``no guns allowed'' notices. > Such prohibition is a far cry from defying > anti-discrimination laws by barring school houses > against minority students. Surely Utah legislators can > make the distinction even if former legislator, chief > Utah gun law lobbyist and State Republican Party > Chairman Rob Bishop can't. > > ) Copyright 1998, The Salt Lake Tribune My response (which was submitted by fax) is below. I doubt it will ever see print, but who cares? We netizens have our OWN free press. Public Forum The Salt Lake Tribune Fax: 801-237-2316 Rob Bishop is exactly on target when he states that gun owners are contending with prejudice and bigotry. Such prejudice is always accompanied by ignorance. The Tribune shows its ignorance by claiming that Bishop is battling statistics when those statistics actually support his position. Every legitimate study shows that allowing concealed carry decreases violent crime, and the presence of guns increases the safety of the surroundings. The Tribune further demonstrates its ignorance by failing to acknowledge that the first gun control laws were passed to "control" former slaves and that gun control has preceded every genocide this century. Are not racism and genocide the results of prejudice? Claims that gunowners threaten the safety of society are identical to Hitler's claims that Jews carried diseases and threatened the public health. Gun control equals racism equals genocide. The real issue, however, is trust. If the editors of the Tribune do not trust their readers with firearms, why should we trust you to provide accurate and unbiased news? If Gov. Leavitt does not trust his constituents with firearms, why should we trust him to spend our money, uphold the Constitution, or direct the national guard? If the officials at the University of Utah do not trust their own students and faculty with firearms, why should we trust them to educate our children? If my clergyman cannot trust me with a mere pistol, why should I entrust him with my soul? Your ministry of propaganda makes it clear that you are accomplices to those in power who know they must disarm, disempower and disinform the public to retain their power. Your tyranny shall not endure. Until every man, woman and responsible child has the absolute right to buy and carry any firearm, anytime, in any public place, you do not deserve, nor will you have, the trust or support of free citizens. You who have forgotten Lexington and Concord are doomed to the fate of all of humanity's oppressors. Sarah Thompson, M.D. Sandy, UT PS: Mr. Bishop's own comments (or at least the Trib's distortion of them) can be found at http://www.sltrib.com/98/jan/011198/utah/16947.asp - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5 iQEVAwUBNMP5MdfaQ3zqMQjXAQE6pAf+PGyW4MLMDsZYoK7raCKLs6ZFAKx1aOou ip9O8K7ljkiiN/X3G5HcLDiyAjSTInCd3L/rQDk4VrwWtGgNGBtWx3Btpl+1ZzKh qQwgDrTAKdlKhdmWkAMo1/MiJ24NpYFbyaFvIAeo8lYdh4baRCpSTq4Gr3rV4S7h vTtRqTCNCgzfW6Tb3uuz6Ske9WCL2jYCJm6f5QjsZXs1O0hu1hlBVD65qWERoZMB BpDKQJ203A9Kr5js0HNhcEW111rTmwHzZMsWTgvwDsWPqB0r5IWq9s6WpLhJQfve aTLI7DTIrccbN2tHQ8efu4DmXbv09Pd0D63sedVHurLFaM2oCYgtqw== =ttRq - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Sarah Thompson, M.D. http://www.therighter.com (under construction!) New! The Righter's weekly column with supplemental mail list. To subscribe send a message to: majordomo@aros.net with the message subscribe righter-list in the BODY of the message. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 22:31:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: Trigger Lock Ordinance - Thank You - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:31:07 -0500 From: Bob & Karen Powell Mayor Albano has been deluged with messages telling him how he needs to reread the Constitution and understand what it means. So far it looks like he has received thousands. Everyone has stated their points and has not gotten belligerent and thankfully have not been threatening. According to some reliable sources within the city government, the chief of police was called in to check the messages over for threats because the Mayor would like nothing better than to make us look like a bunch of terrorists that want their firearms. Thank you again for all your help and keep those messages coming and please make sure there are no threats. They are making a difference. Bob & Karen Powell Leroy & Bessie Crenshaw - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:09:56 -0700 From: chardy@ES.COM (Charles Hardy) Subject: WSJ Article on Robbery/Shooting For any who might be interested, there is a lengthy and very human article starting on the front page of today's Wall Street Journal about a neighborhood pharmacist in a Detroit suburb who, after an armed robbery started carrying a gun at work and subsequently ended up killing another armed robber. Right hand column, entitle, "Crime Scene: Beyond the Statistics, A Druggist Confronts the Reality of Robbery." - -- Charles C. Hardy | If my employer has an opinion on | these things I'm fairly certain 801.588.7200 (work) | I'm not the one he'd have express it. "No man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny in government. -- Thomas Jefferson, June 1776 - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:02:24 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS Subject: History lesson -Forwarded Received: (from smap@localhost) by fs1.mainstream.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id SAA09679; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:46:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1) by fs1.mainstream.net via smap (V1.3) id sma009624; Tue Jan 20 18:45:01 1998 Message-Id: Errors-To: listproc@fs1.mainstream.com Reply-To: dugga@pacifier.com Originator: noban@mainstream.net Sender: noban@Mainstream.net Precedence: bulk From: dugga@pacifier.com (Doug Spittler) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: History lesson X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Anti-Gun-Ban list Purloined from another list... - ------------------------------------ Letter to the Editor 6/7/95 - Arlington, Washington Times (Dear Hillary) During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats have frequently denounced the Republicans as Nazis due to their attempts to control runaway federal spending. How very ironic. I remember the Nazis. Let me share a little about them and recall some of their exploits. First of all, "Nazi" was gutter slang for the verb "to nationalize". The Bider-Mienhoff gang gave themselves this moniker during their early struggles. The official title of the Nazi Party was "The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany". Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement. Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After der fuhrer's election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, pary membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Being a Nazi was politically correct. They called themselves "The Children of the New Age of World Order" and looked down their noses at everyone else. As Hitler accrued more power, he referred to his critics as "The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred". Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a "Conservative Reactionary". Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications, proclaimed a "New World Order". The Nazi reign of terror began with false news reports on the Jews, Bohemians and Gypses who were said to be arming themselves to overthrow the "New World Order" and Hitler demanded that all good people register their guns so that they wouldn't fall into the hands of "terrorists and madmen". Right wing fanatics of the "Old Order" who protested firearms registration were arrested by the S.S. and put in jail for "fomenting hatred against the Government of the German people". Then the Reichstag (government building) was blown up and Hitler ram-rodded an "Emergency Anti-Terrorist Act" through Parliament that gave the Gestapo extraordinary powers. The leader then declared that for the well-being of the German people, all private firearms were to be confiscated by the Gestapo and the Wermotten (federal law enforcement and military). German citizens who refused to surrender their guns when the "jack-boots" (Gestapo) came calling, were murdered in their homes. By the way, the Gestapo were the federal marshals' service of the Third Reich. The S.W.A.T. team was invented and perfected by the Gestapo to break into the homes of the enemies of the German people. When the Policia Bewakken, or local police, refused to take away guns from townsfolk, they themselves were disarmed and dragged out into the street and shot to death by the S.A. and the S.S. Those were Nazi versions of the B.A.T.F. and the F.B.I. When several local ministers spoke out against these atrocities, they were imprisoned and never seen again. The Gestapo began to confiscate and seize the homes, businesses, bank accounts, and personal belongings of wealthy conservative citizes who had prospered in the old Republic. Pamphleteers who urged revolt against the Nazis were shot on site by national law enforcement and the military. Gypsies and Jews were detained and sent to labor camps. Mountain roads throughout central Europe were closed to prevent the escape of fugitives into the wilderness, and to prevent the movement and concealment of partisan resistance fighters. Public schools rewrote history and Hitler youth groups taught the children to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks. Such parents disappeared. Pagan animism became the state religion of the Third Reich and Christians were widely condemned as "right wing fanatics". Millions of books were burned first and then people. Millions of them burned in huge ovens after they were first gassed to death. Unmarried women were paid large sums of money to have babies out of wedlock and then given medals for it. Evil was declared as being good, and good was condemned as being evil. World Order was coming and the German people were going to be the "peacekeepers". Yes, indeed(Hillary), I remember the Nazis and they weren't Republicans, or "right wing", or "patriots" or "militias". They were Socialist monsters. Thomas Colton Ruthford ============================================= ************************************************** * If you think you have the answer, you probably * * didn't understand the question! * ************************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:03:02 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS Subject: NRA Subverted -Forwarded Received: (qmail 30941 invoked by alias); 17 Jan 1998 00:34:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 30919 invoked by uid 516); 17 Jan 1998 00:33:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19980117003359.30918.qmail@listbox.com> Date: 16 Jan 1998 18:47:15 -0400 From: Chris BeHanna To: NRA.Important.Issues@syl.nj.nec.com Subject: NRA Subverted Sender: owner-rkba-co.new@majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rkba-co@majordomo.pobox.com Posted to rkba-co by Chris BeHanna - ----------------------- PLEASE READ, FORWARD, CROSS-POST, PRINT OUT, AND SHOW TO YOUR FRIENDS! POST AT GUN STORES, CLUBS AND RANGES! PLACE IN YOUR MAILINGS. SPREAD THE WORD! - ----- Begin Forwarded Message NEAL KNOX REPORT BATF View of NRA By NEAL KNOX WASHINGTON, D.C. (Jan. 10) -- It's fascinating to read the BATF's perception of their long-running battles with NRA. We're given a revealing look in William J. Vizzard's new book, "In The Cross Fire: A Political History of BATF" (Lynne Rienner Publishers, 1800 30th St., Ste. 314, Boulder, CO, 228 pp., 9.95). Vizzard served BATF for 27 years, starting in 1967 and including a stint on its headquarters staff. Now a professor of government at the University of California, Sacramento, Dr. Vizzard maintains a fairly objective view of the "gun control" issue, the NRA, and his old agency, except for his coverage of the Waco fiasco, when he becomes a BATF apologist. What makes the book particularly valuable to those of us still in the fight is his -- and the BATF hierarchy's perception -- of the policy effects of NRA's internal wars. Vizzard correctly states that the old, pre-1968 Gun Control Act BATF (at the time, the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Unit of the IRS) was usually liberal in its enforcement of the Federal gun laws, particularly if the offense were mere possession of an illegal war souvenir by an honest citizen. But in the mid-1960's, Connecticut Sen. Tom Dodd (Sen. Chris' father) was outraged to learn that ATTU enforcement people were spending almost all their time on moonshiners, and only the equivalent of two man-years in gun law enforcement. In 1964, agents "raided" a Shreveport gun show, demanding that table operators present their licenses -- which then weren't required except to mail handguns. That was my first national gun politics story; in Guns Magazine. In 1966, an ATTU agent told gun sellers at a "Trade Day" in Chesney, S.C., (and me, the Gun Week editor) that they had to have a license to sell any gun, even to a dealer. ATTU agents remained confused about gun laws for several years. But the brass, eager to make the agency grow, recognized that moonshining was declining, and enthusiastically began pushing for broader gun laws to enforce -- which was about when Vizzard came into the agency. Vizzard says NRA had maintained close ties with law enforcement until 1977 when (at the Cincinnati annual meeting) control of NRA "was seized in a well-planned coup led by its militant, libertarian faction, led by Neal Knox and Harlan (sic) Carter." He describes Harlon as a "retired border patrol manager." In fact, he was a lifetime law enforcement officer, serving in every rank of the U.S. Border Patrol until he became the head at the age of 36, an incredible record. Neither of us were anti-law enforcement, except when law enforcement was trampling on Constitutional rights. When I became NRA-ILA Director in 1978, I hammered BATF's abuses under GCA '68, then rolled out the McClure-Volkmer bill, which as Vizzard says, would have gutted the Gun Control Act. After BATF became part of the Reagan Administration, "Neal Knox was forced out as (ILA Director) for opposing" efforts to weaken the bill. "Two years later Knox lost his seat on the NRA Board when he testified against an NRA-backed version of the bill.... An unfailingly polite and gentlemanly individual, Knox represents the extreme libertarian position on firearms," Vizzard wrote. "Inflexible resistance to compromise had temporarily cost Knox and his extremist supporters key positions of influence in the NRA and shifted the organization toward a more moderate position." If BATF considered me an extremist, I was doing my job. "Knox was replaced by Warren Cassidy.... ATF found that some accommodation could be reached with the NRA leadership after the Knox faction lost power." Vizzard notes that former BATF Director "Steve Higgins perceives ATF's ability to function in the political environment as tied directly to the nature of NRA leadership." Higgins is exactly right, which is why the upcoming NRA elections are so important to every defender of the Second Amendment. The Nominating Committee, elected by the tiny majority which unseated Albert Ross and me as NRA vice presidents, declined to nominate 14 incumbent Directors. The "offenses" of the targeted 14 are that they (1) usually agree with Knox, (2) advocate fuller disclosure of financial dealings between Officers, Directors and NRA (a member-petitioned Bylaw proposal on the March election ballot), (3) advocate more truthful and realistic NRA grades for squishy politicians and (4) advocate more aggressive challenges to BATF, Justice Department and the Washington, D.C. political establishment. NRA is again at a crossroads. How accommodating NRA is to BATF and the Clinton Administration will depend on who you and your fellow voting members choose as NRA Directors -- just as former BATF Director Higgins told Vizzard. --- (Retain Neal Knox as your personal lobbyist on Capitol Hill and begin receiving the bi-monthly "Hard Corps Report" by any contribution to the Firearms Coalition, Box 6537, Silver Spring, MD 20906. For legislative updates call 1-900-225-3006; the cost is 89 cents per minute, with no long distance charge.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Neal Knox wrote everything above this line, but nothing below it. 1. Please VOTE FOR THE FAITHFUL Second Amendment Action candidates: Jerry L. Allen Michael J. Beko* James A. Church William Dominguez Howard J. Fezell* Daniel B. Fiora Arnold J. Gaunt Fred Griisser Wesley H. Grogan Jr.* David M. Gross* John Guest Fred Gustafson Don L. Henry* William B. Hunt Phillip B. Journey* Michael S. Kindberg* Jeff Knox John C. Krull Robley T. Moore Larry R. Rankin Albert C. Ross* Frank H. Sawberger Thomas L. Seefeldt Kim Stolfer John H. Trentes Glen I. Voorhees Jr.* Those with an asterisk have been deliberately targeted to be PURGED as "extremists." What's "extreme" about demanding your rights? Help NRA help you and support these candidates! 2. Copy and circulate this letter: a) to NRA members on the internet, b) to your gun clubs and NRA member friends, c) distribute this letter and list at gun shows, gun stores, and shooting ranges. Ask all NRA members you know to VOTE FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT ACTION CANDIDATES. 3. A few dollars for advertising go a long way when they tell the truth. Please send your donation to: Second Amendment Action 100 Heathwood Drive Liberty, SC 29657. 4. Visit their web sites for further information: http://www.2ndamendment.net http://www.mcs.net/~lpyleprn/home.html http://www.nealknox.com/ (contains Heston interviews) - ----- End Forwarded Message PLEASE READ, FOWARD, CROSS-POST, PRINT OUT, AND SHOW TO YOUR FRIENDS! POST AT GUN STORES, CLUBS AND RANGES! PLACE IN YOUR MAILINGS. SPREAD THE WORD! Chris BeHanna PGP 2.6.1 public key available NJ-RKBA List Maintainer behanna@fast.net http://www.users.fast.net/~behanna GUNS SAVE LIVES. For Help with Majordomo Commands, please send a message to: Majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com with the word Help in the body of the message - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:08:04 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS Subject: FWD: Gun Confiscation in CA -Forwarded Received: (from smap@localhost) by fs1.mainstream.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id SAA07600; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:01:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:01:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1) by fs1.mainstream.net via smap (V1.3) id sma007564; Tue Jan 20 18:00:15 1998 Message-Id: <2c14d524.34c50dee@aol.com> Errors-To: listproc@fs1.mainstream.com Reply-To: EdgarSuter@aol.com Originator: noban@mainstream.net Sender: noban@Mainstream.net Precedence: bulk From: EdgarSuter To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: FWD: Gun Confiscation in CA X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Anti-Gun-Ban list Confiscation Comes to California Lungren fulfills Feinstein's fantasy By Daryl N. Davis They said it would never happen. Any suggestion that it would was derided as "NRA paranoia." They told us they only wanted "reasonable controls." Well, it has happened. Gun confiscation is now the law in California. Thank you, Dan Lungren! In a letter dated November 24, 1997, The Man Who Would Be Governor declared that SKS rifles with detachable magazines, unless the owners can prove they acquired the rifles prior to June 1, 1989, are illegal "and must be relinquished to a local police or sheriff's department." This is a reversal of the opinion held by Mr. Lungren from the time he took office in January 1991, and which has been conveyed in numerous training sessions for peace officers, criminalists and prosecutors during the past four years. When the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act (AWCA) became law in January 1989, it included "SKS with detachable magazine." At that time, there were two distinct models-one with a fixed magazine (Type 56) and one with a detachable, AK-47 magazine (Type 84). President Bush banned importation of the Type 84 in 1990. Later that year, aftermarket detachable magazines (which are not interchangeable with the AK-47 magazine) became available for SKS rifles originally designed to use only a fixed magazine. Until September 1997, Mr. Lungren's position had been that only the Type 84 was an "assault weapon." He allowed the sale of the aftermarket detachable magazines and of SKS rifles equipped with them. He also allowed the sale of the SKS Sporter, basically a Type 84 that, in compliance with the import restrictions imposed by President Bush, had its bayonet lug ground off and was fitted to a sporting stock rather than a military stock. In September 1996, the Attorney General's office asked the state Supreme Court to "on its own motion order review of the Court of Appeals decision..." in the Dingman case. James Dingman had been convicted of possession of an unregistered assault weapon (Type 56 with detachable magazine) and his conviction was upheld by the Court of Appeals for the Sixth District. Chief Deputy Attorney General (now candidate for Attorney General) David Stirling wrote: "The impact of the court's opinion cannot be over stated because of the millions of SKS rifles and after-market magazines currently in circulation. Tens of thousands of California citizens may become criminals simply by using a perfectly lawful rifle with a lawfully purchased magazine without adequate notice that such activity brings them within the proscriptions of the AWCA." In October 1996, in response to the "unprecedented" request by the Attorney General, the Supreme Court granted review of the Dingman case. In February 1997, the Attorney General's office filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court in support of Dingman; they asked that the opinion of the Court of Appeals be "reversed." In September 1997, in response to a series of blatantly biased and aggressively uninformed hit pieces in the Los Angeles Times, Mr. Lungren reversed himself. He withdrew his amicus brief in the Dingman case, stating that it "inaccurately reflects the view of the Attorney General." Deputy Attorney General Paul Bishop, who had worked on the AWCA project since 1989, was transferred. Thanks to Mr. Lungren, "tens of thousands of California citizens" must either surrender their lawfully acquired property without compensation or become felons. Gun dealers throughout the state face felony prosecution, on individual counts, for each detachable magazine SKS they sold during the six years Mr. Lungren assured them it was legal to do so. Furthermore, the opinion does nothing to clarify what constitutes a "SKS with detachable magazine." Must the magazine be affixed to the rifle? With the rifle? The rifle in the owner's gun safe and the magazine buried somewhere in a box of miscellaneous parts in his/her garage? On CBS's "60 Minutes" on February 5, 1995, Senator Dianne Feinstein declared, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright [firearms] ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in, I would have done it." Thanks to Dan Lungren, Feinstein's fantasy is well on its way to becoming reality. Whether Mr. Lungren's fantasy of currying favor with the loony Left at the Los Angeles Times becomes reality, remains to be seen. What Should I Do? 1. If a law enforcement officer attempts to confiscate your SKS, live to fight another day. DO NOT RESIST! Do get a receipt, though. 2. Contact Governor Wilson and firmly but politely express your outrage at this situation. In addition to infringing the Second Amendment, the AG's position creates a taking of private property without just compensation (Fifth Amendment) and an ex post facto application of the Assault Weapons Control Act (Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 3). Gov. Pete Wilson State Capitol Sacramento, CA 95814 Phone: 916-445-2864 FAX: 916-445-4633 3. Become active in your local NRA Members Council. You may call the Silicon Valley Members Council at 408-235-9175, 24 hours a day, for up to date legislative information or for information on contacting a Members Council in your area. - - ------------------------------ End of utah-firearms-digest V2 #15 **********************************