From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #71 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Friday, June 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 071 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:28:59 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS Subject: NEW BILL TARGETS GUN SHOW and MATCH TRANSFERS -Forwarded Received: (from smap@localhost) by fs1.mainstream.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id TAA11540; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1) by fs1.mainstream.net via smap (V1.3) id sma011366; Tue Jun 9 19:25:20 1998 Message-Id: <199806092318.TAA11052@fs1.mainstream.net> Errors-To: listproc@mainstream.com Reply-To: jean@riverview.net Originator: noban@mainstream.net Sender: noban@Mainstream.net Precedence: bulk From: "R.J.K." To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: NEW BILL TARGETS GUN SHOW and MATCH TRANSFERS X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Anti-Gun-Ban list NEW BILL TARGETS GUN SHOW and MATCH TRANSFERS Firearms sales and trades at gun shows have always been a priority target ofthe anti-gunners. But a new bill that claims to regulate gun show transfers also targets sales between individuals at match events such as the National Matches at Camp Ferry, and seems to require licensing and reporting by the Amateur Trapshooting Association for its annual Grand American. The measure is HR-3833, authored by Rep. Rod Blagc?jevich (D-IL), which claims to better regulate the transfer of firearms at gun shows. Co-sponsors of HR-3833 include Reps. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), John Conyers(D-MI). Danny Davis (D-IL), Zoe Lofgren (D-CA), James McGovern (D-M A), and J errold Nad Icr ( I)-N Y). The bill would require anyone holding a "gun show" to have a license issued by the Secretary of the Treasury, meaning the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), 30 days before an event, would be responsible for initiating background checks between any two nonFFL persons transferring a firearm, and supply the government with copies ofall documents collected during the show within 30 days of the closing of the event. The documents collected would include the names and addresses of both parties to the transfer, as well as the serial number, make and model of the firearm, and the date and location of the transaction. Ifthe total regulation of firearms transfers conducted at "gun shows" organized by collector organizations were not enough, HR-3833 defines "gun shows" to include any event, including competitions "or other sporting use of firearms in the community" at which 50 or more ffirearms-including handguns, long guns and muzzleloaders that employ modem primers for ignitionare present. The 50 guns need not be offered for sale. That definition would include just about every club competition in the country, meaning that if the measure passes, every such event would have to have a license issued by ATF, conduct background checks (in all likelihood "instant checks") through the Justice Department's NICS. and send all documentation to the government-or no such private sales between individuals could be transacted. The prospects for a straight-up vote on HR3833 may be slim, but it could be moved as an amendment to other legislation. - - - - UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES _____________________________________ Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are incline to obey the law. - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 18:14:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: No Four Corners Militia - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:18:19 -0400 From: Patricia Neill Subject: Fwd: Tom Brokaw: Four Corners Militia Does Not Exist Forwarded: Dear MSNBC and Tom Brokaw: I am the Liaison & Intelligence Officer with the Southern Oregon Militia. I talk to IOs throughout the United States every day, sharing and acquiring information. Our intelligence gathering capabilities within this nation are quite well established, are overwhelmingly reliable and reach all the way to the White House. Last night your Mr. Brokaw stated on the NBC nightly news that the three suspects wanted in the killing and wounding of police officers in the Four Corners area of Colorado belonged to a group calling itself "The Four Corners Militia". This was news to all of us in the Militias, since we happen to know that no militia group exists in that area. As usual, Mr. Brokaw relied on the Southern Poverty Law Center for his information. When are you people going to finally put the SPLC to the test and demand documentation and/or proof that their "information" is reliable? Doesn't it bother you just a little bit that they refuse to provide you with verifiable sources, or could you care less? The truth is that the SPLC uses scare tactics at our expense in order to raise more and more money for their own benefit. The SPLC recently identified 19 Patriot/Militia groups in Oregon. They included groups organized to reduce and control Oregon's high property taxes, groups that assist parents who choose to home-school their children, etc. Give me a break! Those aren't Patriot/Militia groups, yet you people contoinue to use the SPLC to tell you what the Militias are up to. The truth is, the SPLC doesn't really know anything about us, and in this case it appears they manufactured a name for a non-existent group just to continue to promote their lies. Wake up and smell the coffee, Tom: You've been used! Stop by the house some time. You want to see the "real" militia, don't you? Carl F. Worden Liaison & Intelligence Officer Southern Oregon Militia - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 18:14:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: Right Wing Press Nuts - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:19:13 -0700 From: Ed Wolfe To: piml@mars.galstar.com Subject: Right Wing Press Nuts The Scourge of the Free Press by John Pittman Hey "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press." That poorly punctuated, confusingly written 26-word section of the Constitution is at the center of the heated debate over "freedom of the press." There is a great deal of disagreement over who or what "the press" is. Most people mistakenly believe that the Constitution guarantees the right to print whatever one pleases, without government interference. Still others have noted that "the people" are not mentioned in the "free" press clause. This amendment was created by the Founding Fathers to protect the government's sole authority to print money and regulations. The phrase "the press" refers to the Government Printing Office's press in Washington. One historian claims that "the press" actually refers to the wine press, which is why the Prohibition Amendment was passed to remove the First Amendment right of the people to distill liquor. We all know there is no such thing as a "free" press. Go ask any printer in town, and he'll tell you he paid good money for his printing press. Even Xerox machines aren't free. Much closer to the truth is the old saw, "Freedom of the press is for those who own one." Here we see the true motives of the "free press" nuts, mostly newspaper publishers, who use the high-sounding words of the First Amendment to justify what are merely commercial enterprises. We hear a lot about "the people's right to know", but really it's all about the publisher's right to make money. Newspapers never have room for the real news; somehow it gets crowded out by all those paid advertisements. Some legal scholars still claim that the "free press" clause protects the people's right to publish whatever they like. Nonsense! The courts have repeatedly upheld restrictions on newspapers, including laws against litter, fraud, and libel. To properly interpret what the Founding Fathers meant by a "free press," we must at least place their ideas into the proper historical context. The press was an essential tool of the colonists against King George 220 years ago. But it was a primitive instrument at best. Presses could only print two pages a minute. The colonists never envisioned our modern high-speed presses, much less the ready availability of xerox machines and laser printers. Today's presses can reproduce lies, destructive ideas, and hatred, at the rate of thousands of pages an hour. The Founding Fathers never meant to permit the public to wield so destructive an instrument. The modern press is dangerous: it is widely known that the newspapers were responsible for whipping up the Spanish-American war. How many times have newspapers printed lies that destroyed the honor of innocent people? The press prints all types of destructive literature; just think of the children whose lives have been ruined by their finding printed works of Marx, Sartre, Anthony Lewis, or Bill Minor, left lying about by some thoughtless adult. The press helps spread hate. If only the government had prohibited the press from printing the news about Limbaugh, or Liddy, or David Duke, or the Ku Klux Klan, no one would be attracted to those causes. We must debunk the myth of the "free" press. The newspapers have attracted many readers by spreading misinformation and fear. They have perpetrated a lie, which many in the public swallow, that if the government is allowed to regulate the press in any manner, confiscation of all printing presses will soon follow. Journalists have a formidable lobby. One such shadowy organization is called the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, the RCFP. Politicians and judges dare not cross the RCFP. In fact, they actively court the press, because they want good coverage of their political campaigns. The courts use presses themselves to print their opinions. Supreme Court justices were recently caught taking favors from the West Publishing Company. These conflicts of interest help explain the lack of proper regulation of the "free" press. But the Court and the Congress also fear the press. When gun regulations are imposed, no gun nut has ever dared pull one on a congressman or a judge in retaliation. But you let just one congressman or judge attempt to reign in the free press, and every editorialist in the country will scream "Stop the presses!" and then launch a full attack against that brave soul. Indeed, the pen is mightier than the sword. That is why we must begin regulating the press immediately. The integrity of our public institutions is compromised by the "free" press run amuck. The news is too important to entrust to unregulated private enterprise. The public has a right to know that what it reads is the truth. Only government regulation can make that possible. Many Americans take the middle ground on the issue of regulating the press. They read the comic page in their home town newspaper, and have no intention of confiscating printing presses. But they see no reason why any ordinary citizen needs to own one. Radical gun and "free" press nuts actually think it's up to them to protect our freedom. Cooler heads realize it's the Government's job to do that, since the Government is the source of all our liberty in the first place. What we don't need are these "weekend warriors," guns ablaze, presses awhirl, galloping across the political landscape, to "protect" us from the government. We'd be better off trusting the Government to do that. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 08:17:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: Lautenberg: A Line In The Sand - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:59:43 EDT From: FreeUtah@aol.com To: lputah@qsicorp.com Subject: Re: [goamail@gunowners.org: Lautenberg: A Line In The Sand] In a message dated 98-06-09 19:31:14 EDT, Charles Hardy writes: << Note that Cannon is listed as a co-sponsor but Cook and Hansen are not. ----BEGIN FORWARDED MESSGE---- Time to Draw the Line on Repealing Lautenberg Gun Ban >> Salt Lake County Republicans candidates have been instructed (but not required) to avoid talking about gun control. Scooter! - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:44:39 -0600 From: Will Thompson Subject: Re: Lautenberg: A Line In The Sand SCOTT BERGESON wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:59:43 EDT > From: FreeUtah@aol.com > To: lputah@qsicorp.com > Subject: Re: [goamail@gunowners.org: Lautenberg: A Line In The Sand] > > In a message dated 98-06-09 19:31:14 EDT, Charles Hardy writes: > > << Note that Cannon is listed as a co-sponsor but Cook and Hansen are not. > > ----BEGIN FORWARDED MESSGE---- > > Time to Draw the Line on Repealing Lautenberg Gun Ban >> > > Salt Lake County Republicans candidates have been instructed (but not > required) to avoid talking about gun control. > > Scooter! > > - I wonder where "Scooter" gets his information? Is he an officer of the GOP? A candidate who has been so instructed? Or was this information part of a GOP statement/press release? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:33:37 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS Subject: Lott says NRA is 'mainstream America' -Forwarded Received: from WVC-Message_Server by wp.ci.west-valley.ut.us with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:46:29 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:45:47 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS To: dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us Subject: Lott says NRA is 'mainstream America' Lott says NRA is 'mainstream America' Copyright # 1998 Nando.net Copyright # 1998 Reuters News Service PHILADELPHIA (June 6, 1998 11:44 p.m. EDT http://www.nando.net) - U.S. Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott struck out Saturday at those who would limit the right of Americans to bear arms, telling diners at the National Rifle Association annual banquet "you are the mainstream of America." "The rights of the American people are not negotiable," Lott said. "The Bill of Rights is a package deal...You don't get to pick and choose...you get the whole deal," the Mississippi Republican assured the several hundred NRA members who swapped their T-shirts for jacket and ties to the dinner. "You are the mainstream of America," he told the gathering, adding that those who doubted it "just reveal how far out of the mainstream they really are." Lott warned that if the NRA lets Washington gut the Second Amendment that guarantees Americans the right to keep and bear arms, "we might as well fold up the flag and meltdown the Liberty Bell." Earlier on Saturday, Academy Award winning actor Charlton Heston, who portrayed Moses in the classic "Ten Commandments," told the delegates that if elected president of the 3.5 million-member pro-gun group, he would lead it back "to the mainstream." Heston, who is expected to be inducted as president of the group on Monday, said that in the future he would only support pro-gun candidates. Then in remarks directed at President Bill Clinton, who successfully banned the manufacture and importation of several types of assault weapons, Heston said: "Mr. Clinton, sir. Americans didn't trust you with our health care systems and Americans didn't trust you with gays in the military and we don't trust you with our 21-year-old daughters. We sure Lord don't trust you with our guns." Most of the 50,000 NRA members attending the 127th national convention looked as though they had travelled in from Main Street, America. There were plenty of grandfatherly looking men with baseball caps and potbellies and families strolling the aisles of the exhibition hall at the Convention Centre in Philadelphia. It could almost be a county fair, except for the rows of guns, rifles, ammunition and accessories lining the walls. Adolescents lined up at rifle maker Winchester's booth to pay $2 to play "Total Recoil." The contestant holds an electronic rifle to shoot images of birds and animals. Their parents were busy looking over the new lines of rifles. At the nearby Colt booth, enthusiasts could heft various types of revolvers and semi-automatic pistols made by the company whose weapons are credited with winning the American West. "We're just a group of people who are willing to fight for our freedom. Freedom to own a firearms for the purpose that the Founding Fathers wrote into the Constitution," explained Teddy Jones, 69, of Torrance, California, who was attending the convention with his wife of 22 years, Judith. Both are NRA members, as are their son and 6-year-old grandson. Judith Reuhl, 56, of Cincinnati, Ohio, waited outside the hall surrounded by packages as she waited for her husband, John, an NRA member. "I'm not a member, but I do shoot skeet with him. My son and my son-in-law and my brother-in-law are members," she said. One package contained information from the NRA's Eddie Eagle Gun Safety Program for children. "I'm bringing that back for my six-and-a-half year old grandson, Alex. He's getting to that age," she added. By LESLIE GEVIRTZ, Reuters - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:33:48 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS Subject: Heston's Speech to Free Congress Foundation -Forwarded Received: from WVC-Message_Server by wp.ci.west-valley.ut.us with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:50:38 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:49:09 -0700 From: DAVID SAGERS To: dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us Subject: Heston's Speech to Free Congress Foundation Heston's Speech to Free Congress Foundation What an honor it is to address the Free Congress Foundation. At a glance "Free" reads as a verb rather than an adjective. "Free Congress." Not a bad directive for Mr. Clinton. Anyway. I like it when the party of Lincoln honors our free heritage. This nation has been blessed by the minds and mettle of many good people, and indeed Abe was among the best. A man of great moral character#a trait often lacking among our leaders. This is disturbing, but not without remedy. One good election can correct such ills. Above all, I hope those of us gathered here tonight have more in common with Mr. Lincoln than just party affiliation. Better than we grasp a common vision that simply wear the cloak. Even our President pretends to be a conservative when it suits him. We must be more than that. I know it#s not easy. Imagine being point man for the National Rifle Association, preserving the right to keep and bear arms. I ran for office, I was elected, and now I serve#as a moving target for pundits who#ve called me everything from "ridiculous" and "duped" to a "brain-injured, senile and crazy old man." Maybe that comes with the territory. But as I have stood in the crosshairs of those who aim at Second Amendment freedom, I have realized that guns are not the only issue, and I am not the only target. It is much, much bigger than that # which is what I want to talk to you about today. I have come to realize that a cultural war raging across our land storming our values, assaulting our freedoms, killing our self-confidence in who we are a what we believe. How many of you own a gun? A show of hands maybe? How many own two or more guns? Thank you. I wonder how many of you own guns but chose not to raise your hand? How many of you considered revealing your conviction about a constitutional right, but then thought better of it? Then you are a victim of the cultural war.. You are a casualty of the cultural warfare being waged against traditional American freedom of beliefs and ideas. Now maybe you don#t care one way or the other about owning a gun. But I could#ve asked for a show of hands of Pentecostal Christians, or pro-lifers, or right-to-workers, or Promise Keepers, or school vouchers-ers, and the result would be the same. What if the same question were asked at your PTA meeting? Would you raise your hand if Dan Rather were in the back of the room with a film crew? See? You have been assaulted and robbed of the courage of your convictions. Your pride in who you are, and what you believe, has been ridiculed, ransacked and plundered. It may be a war without bullet or bloodshed, but with just as much liberty lost: You and your country are less free. And you are not inconsequential people! You in this room, whom many would say are among the most powerful people on earth, you are shamed into silence! Because you choose to own guns # affirmed by no less than the Bill of Rights. But you embrace a view at odds with the cultural warlords.. If that is the outcome of cultural war, and you are victims, I can only ask the gravely obvious question: What#ll become of the right itself? Or other rights not deemed acceptable by the thought police? What other truth in your heart will you disavow with your hand? I remember when European Jews feared to admit their faith. The Nazis forced them to wear yellow stars as identity badges. It worked. So # what color star will the pin on gun owners# chests? How ill the self-styled elite tag us? There may not be a Gestapo officer on every street corner, but the influence on our culture is just as pervasive. Now, I am not really here to talk about the Second Amendment of the NRA, but the gun issue clearly brings into focus the warfare that#s going on. Rank-and-file Americans wake up every morning, increasingly bewildered and confused at why their views make them lesser citizens. After enough breakfast-table TV hyping tattooed sex-slaves on the next Rikki Lake, enough gun-glutted movies and tabloid shows, enough revisionist history books and prime-time ridicule of religion, enough of the TV anchor who cocks her head, clucks her tongue and sighs about guns causing crime and finally the message gets through: Heaven help the God-fearing, law-abiding, Caucasian, middle class, Protestant, or even worse admitted heterosexual, gun-owning or even worse NRA-card-carrying, average working stiff, or even worse male working stiff, because not only don#t you count, you#re a downright obstacle to social progress. Your tax dollars may be just as delightfully green as you hand them over, but your voice deserves a lower decibel level, your opinion is less enlightened, your media access is insignificant, and frankly mister, you need to wake up, wise up and learn a little something about your new America#and until you do, would you mind shutting up? That#s why you didn#t raise your hand. That#s how cultural war works. And you are losing. That#s what happens when a generation of media, educators, entertainers and politicians, led by a willing president, decide the America they were born into isn#t good enough any more. So they contrive to change it through the cultural warfare of class distinction. Ask the Romans if powerful nations have ever fallen as a result of cultural division. There are ruins around the world that were once the smug centers of small-minded, arrogant elitism. It appears that rather than evaporate in the flash of a split atom, we may succumb to a divided culture. Although my years are long, I was not on hand to help pen the Bill of Rights. And popular assumptions aside, the same goes for the Ten Commandments. Yet as an American and as a man who believes in God#s almighty presence, I treasure both. The Constitution was handed down to guide us by a bunch of wise old dead white guys who invented our country. Now some flinch when I say that. Why? It#s true#they were white guys. So were most of the guys that died in Lincoln#s name opposing slavery in the 1860s. So why should I be ashamed of white guys? Why is "Hispanic pride" or "black pride" a good thing, while "white pride" conjures shaved heads and while hoods? Why was the Million Man March on Washington celebrated as progress, while the Promise Keepers March on Washington was greeted with suspicion and ridicule? I#ll tell you why: Cultural warfare. Now, Chuck Heston can get away with saying I#m proud of those wise old dead white guys because Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan know I fought in their cultural war. I was one of the first white soldiers in the civil rights movement, long before it was fashionable. In 1963 I marched on Washington with Dr. Martin Luther King to uphold the Bill of Rights. As vice-president of the NRA I am doing the same thing. But you don#t see many other Hollywood luminaries speaking out on this, do you? It#s not because there aren#t any. It#s because they can#t afford the heat. They dare not speak up for fear of CNN or the IRS or SAG or ATF or NBC or even W-J-C. It spas the strength of our country when the personal price is simply too high to stand up for what you believe in. Today, speaking with the courage of your conviction can be so costly, the price of principle can be so high, that legislators won#t lead and citizens can#t follow, and so there is no army to fight back. That#s cultural warfare. For instance: It#s plain that our Constitution guarantees law-abiding citizens the right to own a firearm. But if I stand up and say so, why is the media assault on me such a slashing, sinister brand of derision filled with hate? Because Bill Clinton#s cultural warriors want a penitent cleansing of firearms, as if millions of lawful gun owners should genuflect in shame and seek absolution by surrendering their guns. That#s what is now literally underway in England and Australia. Line of submissive citizens, threatened with imprisonment, are bitterly surrendering family heirlooms, guns that won their freedom, to the blast furnace. If that fact does not unsettle you, then you are already anesthetized, a ready victim of the cultural war. You know that I stand first in line in defense for free speech. But those who speak against the perverted and profane should be given as much due as those who profit by it. You also know I welcome cultural diversity. But those who choose to live on the fringe should not tear apart the seams that secure the fabric of our society. I#ve earned a fine and rewarding living in the motion picture industry, yet increasingly I find myself embarrassed by the dearth of conscience that drives the world#s most influential artform. And I am an example of what a lonely undertaking it can be. Nobody opposed the obscene rapper Ice-T until I stood at Time-Warner#s stockholders meeting and was ridiculed by its president for wanting to take the floor to read Ice-T#s lyrics. Since I held several hundred shares of stock he had no choice, though the media were barred. I read those lyrics to a stunned audience of average American people#shocked at lyrics that advocating killing cops, sexually abusing women, and raping the nieces of our Vice-President. The good guys won that time: Time-Warner fired Ice-T. The gay and lesbian movement is another good example. Many homosexuals are hugely talented artists and executives#also dear friends. I don#t despise their lifestyle, though I don#t share it. As long as gay and lesbian Americans are as productive, law-abiding and private as the rest of us, I think America owes them absolute tolerance. It#s the right thing to do. On the other hand, I find my blood pressure rising when Clinton#s cultural shock troops participate in gay-rights fundraisers but boycott gun-rights fundraisers#and then claim it#s time to place homosexual men in tents with Boy Scouts, and suggest that sperm donor babies born into lesbian relationships are somehow better served and more loved. Such demands have nothing to do with equality. They#re about the currency of cultural war # money and votes # and the Clinton camp will let anyone in the tent if there#s a donkey on the hat, a check in the mail or some yen in the fortune cookie. Mainstream America is counting on you to draw your sword and fight for them. These people have precious little time and resources to battle misguided Cinderella attitudes, the fringe propaganda of the homosexual coalition, the feminists who preach that it is a divine duty for women to hat men, blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek preference with the other, and all the New-Age apologists for juvenile crime, who see roving gangs as a means of youthful expression, sex as a means of adolescent merchandizing, violence as a form of entertainment for impressionable minds, and gun bans as a means to lord-knows-what. We have reached that point in time when our national social policy originates on Oprah. I say it#s time to pull the plug. Americans should not have to go to war every morning for their values. They already go to war for their families. They fight to hold down a job, raise responsible kids, make their payments, keep gas in the car, put food on the table and clothes on their backs, and still save a little to live their final days in dignity. They prefer the America they built # where you could pray without feeling na#ve, love without being kinky, sing without profanity, be white without feeling guilty, own a gun without shame, and raise you hand without apology. They are the critical masses who find themselves under siege and long for you to get some guts, stand on principle and lead them to victory in this cultural war. Now if this all sounds a little Mosaic, the punchline of my sermon is as elementary as the Golden Rule: In a cultural war, triumph belongs to those who arm themselves with pride in who they are and then do the right thing. Not the most expedient thing, not what#ll sell, not the politically correct thing, but the right thing. And you know what? Everybody already knows what the right thing is. You, and I, and President Clinton, even Ice-T, we all know. It#s easy. You say wait a minute, you take a long look in the mirror, then into the eyes of your kids or grandkids, and you#ll know what#s right. Don#t run for cover when the cultural cannons roar. Remember who you are and what you believe, and then raise you hand, stand up, and speak out. Don#t be shamed or startled into lockstep conformity by seemingly powerful people. The maintenance of a free nation is a long, slow, steady process. And it#s in your hands. Yes, we can have rules and still have rebels # that#s democracy. But as leaders you must do as Lincoln would do, confronted with the stench of cultural war: Do what#s right. As Mr. Lincoln said, "With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us finish the work we are in#and then we shall save our country." Defeat the criminals and their apologists, oust the biased and bigoted, endure the undisciplined and unprincipled, but disavow the self-appointed social engineers whose relentless arrogance fuels this vicious war against so much we hold so dear. Do not yield, do not divide, do not call truce. Be fair, but fight back. It#s the same blueprint our founding fathers left to guide us. Our enemies see it as the senile prattle of an archaic society. I still honor it as the United States Constitution, and that timeless document we call the Bill of Rights. Freedom is our fortune and honor is our saving grace. Thank you. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 18:33:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: Lautenberg: A Line In The Sand - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:59:43 EDT From: FreeUtah@aol.com To: lputah@qsicorp.com Subject: Re: [goamail@gunowners.org: Lautenberg: A Line In The Sand] In a message dated 98-06-09 19:31:14 EDT, Charles Hardy writes: << Note that Cannon is listed as a co-sponsor but Cook and Hansen are not. ----BEGIN FORWARDED MESSGE---- Time to Draw the Line on Repealing Lautenberg Gun Ban >> Salt Lake County Republicans candidates have been instructed (but not required) to avoid talking about gun control. Scooter! - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 19:12:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: Lautenberg: A Line In The Sand On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:44:39 -0600 Will Thompson asked: >> Salt Lake County Republicans candidates have been instructed (but not >> required) to avoid talking about gun control. >> Scooter! >I wonder where "Scooter" gets his information? Is he an officer >of the GOP? A candidate who has been so instructed? Or was this >information part of a GOP statement/press release? Scooter has a close relationship to a GOP candidate. AFAIK there was no GOP press release to this effect. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 07:32:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: Waco = Tiananmen Square! - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:47:20 -0400 From: "John A. Quayle" To: liberty-and-justice@pobox.com Subject: Waco = Tianeman Square! Thursday, June 11, 1998 http://www.usajournal.com/page20.htm WACO IS OUR TIANENMAN SQUARE - By Jon E. Dougherty JUNE 11 - I just finished viewing my press copy of "Waco: The Rules of Engagement." Though I am jumping into the fray a little late, when the "The government subject turns to Waco the rule is, 'Better late of the United than never.' First of all I want to say that I, like millions of other Americans, watched the siege of Waco unfold on CNN. I watched throughout the weeks when negotiations got nowhere; I watched as music was blasted into Mt. Carmel; I watched as the FBI brought in combat helicopters, armored personnel carriers, troops. And I watched as the Feds cut off power to the village, deprived over 80 men, women and children of sleep, and spun yarn after yarn on national television. I listened to gung-ho idiots in the ATF blame the whole thing on David Koresh; I heard numerous federal spokesmen laying on the propaganda so thick you could hear it dripping from every syllable in their speech. I listened to impotent congressmen wringing their hands in terror - scared to death they might actually have to exert some leadership to bring the situation under control [which they didn't do]. And, finally, I watched as Mt. Carmel burned to the ground. Then, for months afterward, I listened to dozens of witnesses appear before dozens of inquiries into the Waco massacre. For every charge eyewitnesses to the carnage made, there was the ATF, the FBI, and the Justice Department, denying any and all culpability, and rabidly blaming the 'cultist' Koresh for leading his "sheep" down the mass-suicide trail to a burning oblivion. There were times when I had my doubts about some of the Davidian claims -- which goes to show how strong government propaganda can be. But now - only now - do I know the real truth. The government of the United States - this "bastion of freedom and respect for human rights" killed the Branch Davidians as surely and as ruthlessly as a Third World banana republic murders its citizens. The truth, as I see it, will probably be lost in the plethora of outrage already exhibited by a number of other people, congressmen and pundits. But as far as I'm concerned, there can never - never - be enough outrage expressed over Waco. As a Christian, I have to pity the liars and co-conspirators who helped cover this up for the federal government. As a fellow citizen who is truly concerned about their safety, my advice to every ATF, FBI, Justice spokesman and government witness who contributed to the slaughter and the ensuing cover-up is this: You people had better pray to God, Almighty that the majority of your fellow American citizens don't see this film. If they do, there is no telling what will happen to each of you - if God doesn't judge you first. In this twisted world of corruption, deceit, and arrogance of power, never in my entire life have I seen such a display of US government ruthlessness and duplicity. To make a timely comparison, Waco is our Tianenman Square; Christ-loving believers in freedom and democracy were gunned down, burned up and rolled over by tanks in exactly the same manner as the Chinese government perpetrated against their own people in 1989. The difference is, the Chinese government didn't care if it went public and our government - in order to maintain a facade of righteousness and, most probably, control of the masses, lied like dogs to keep the truth from getting out. For every government assertion of "fact" the filmmakers in "Rules of Engagement" countered them with truth - well documented, substantiated and easily seen truth, not innuendo or rumor. Despite what the majority of Americans have been told, for example, there is ample evidence that federal agents [or someone acting on behalf of the government] did shoot Davidians as they tried to escape the burning buildings; did roll over Davidians with Bradley Fighting Vehicles [the "tanks" in the film footages and news clips]; did fire at Davidians from helicopters [FBI negotiators admitted as much in the tapes made of the negotiations over the phone]; and did shoot first when initiating the raid. I want to admit something here. I am a veteran corpsman of the Navy and Marine Corps; and I spent 15 years as a civilian paramedic. When it comes to tragedy, blood, and guts, I've seen it all and I've done it all. I don't wear my heart on my sleeve and I abhor whining people. Having said that, what I saw documented in 'Rules of Engagement' was powerful enough to bring even me to tears. Maybe it was the thought of having to defend my own children some day. Maybe it was the feeling of utter helplessness at knowing arrogant, federal killers who posed with automatic rifles atop their tanks purposely burned over 80 women and children to death. Maybe it was a realization that unless people start to give a damn about their government and what the people running it are doing to them [then laughing about it over a drink], we will see more of this kind of senseless bloodshed. Maybe it was knowing that even after staunchly compelling evidence was presented to them, our lawmakers did absolutely nothing to punish those responsible for this massacre. That would include President Bill Clinton, who bears full responsibility for the actions of those government thugs employed under him. I'll tell you, I have recommended dozens of books and other materials for people to review. I have done so because of the content contained in each of those works. But if I never recommend another book, thesis, or film again, I would recommend that every American who can scrape together about $25 bucks [pool your money with a neighbor, if you have to] get a copy of this film. No, I'm not selling it, but plenty of people are. Find them and buy a copy today. Only knowledge and the strongest possible resolve by hordes of American people will prevent similar government abuses in the future. I pray they don't ever do this to my wife and kids, and I believe you will too, once you see "Waco: The Rules of Engagement." *** (c)1998 Covenant Syndicate. WACO - RULES OF ENGAGEMENT/DOCUMENTARY(NOM FOR 1998 ACAD AWARD) Forward via: APFN@netbox.com APFN WEB WHY WACO? http://www.esotericworldnews.com/apfncont.htm Other Waco web pages: WHY WACO? http://www.esotericworldnews.com/whywaco.htm EORONETH ON WACO http://members.tripod.com/~Eoroneth/koresh.html WACO - MOUNT CARMEL CENTER http://www.flash.net/~wyla/ WACO LINKS http://www.kreative.net/carolmoore/waco-links.html WACO - RULES OF ENGAGEMENT/DOCUMENTARY(NOM FOR 1998 ACAD AWARD) http://www.waco93.com WACO-INFORMATION FROM FREEDOM OF INFO ACT(FOIA) http://www.indirect.com/http://www/dhardy/waco.html WACO WHITE PAPERS http://www.illusions.com/opf/wacoind.htm - - ------------------------------ End of utah-firearms-digest V2 #71 **********************************