From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #83 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Monday, July 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 083 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 08:21:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: The M-16 in Viet Nam - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:48:23 -0700 From: Liberty or Death To: fap@world.std.com, ignition-point@pobox.com, Liberty-and-Justice@mailbox.by.net, roc@xmission.com, fratrum@netside.com, survive-list@skylee.com, garden@netside.com Subject: The M-16 in Viet Nam Hi folks - While the lists I'm posting this to are primarily political in nature, the saga of the M-16 in Viet Nam is something that few people really know the details of and that a lot of people know was a problem. And, actually, it *was* a political problem, and it got a lot of good American soldiers killed. 31 years later, the story of what really went wrong with the "Matty Mattel Mouse Gun" is still controversial, and still important. A friend of mine, Dick Culver, has written the first of a series of articles on the M-16 in Viet Nam. Dick was a Marine officer in Viet Nam, and in fact was one of the two Marines that wrote the infamous letter about the M-16's problems that eventually wound up in the Washington Post and pretty much started all the hoopla back home about the little black rifle that couldn't. I think a lot of you will find this fascinating, and a good read. Part One is at the following URL: http://www.jouster.com/articles30m1/index.html I'll let you all know when he's finished with Part Two, which is going to delve more into the technical reasons why the M-16, as delivered, was responsible for *many* American soldiers being found dead with their cleaning rod in the barrel of their rifle and only one shot fired from the magazine. While you're at his website, look around :) I think you'll like it. - - Monte - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Let the sea roar and its fulness, The world and those who dwell in it. Let the rivers clap their hands; Let the mountains sing together for joy before the Lord. For He is coming to judge the earth; He will judge the world with righteousness, And the peoples with equity. - Psalm 98 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 08:21:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: Gun Control Solutions Notice: Original message was poorly formatted. Reformatting likely fouled the PGP verification. I didn't test it. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:16:00 PDT From: Francis M Zimmerman To: Advanced Freedom Solutions List Subject: [afs] GENL Gun Control - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have been thinking of several ways we can deal with the problem of gun control. Here are some of the proposals I would like to make. 1. Identify tax-exempt charities and public service organizations which are lobbying in favor of gun control. Lobby for the revocation of their tax-exempt status. 2. Lobby both Congress and the IRS to revoke the tax-deductibility of all contributions covered by point one, above. 3. Identify gun-control organizations which receive government grants. Seek prosecution of all such organizations, their officers, and as many of their members as is feasible. Make broad use of conspiracy statutes for this purpose. 4. Investigate all politicians advocating gun control for a history of mental illness in their families. 5. Investigate all politicians advocating gun control for financial contributions from NAMBLA, Boston/Boise, Rene Guyon, and other pedophile liberation organizations. 6. Boycott businesspeople who advertise in media taking a stand in favor of gun control. Promote the sending of boycott letters to ALL sponsors that air commercials during anti-gun news or feature programs, and CC:s to the Sales Managers of the offending media. NOTHING gets the attention of media like the withdrawal of ad revenues. Send boycott letters to national advertisers who use anti-gun-activist celebrities as actors or V/Os in their ads (notable examples, Candace Bergen/Sprint and Martin Sheen & Eli Wallach/Toyota). NOTHING spooks a major advertiser like negative product image. Major companies spend millions of dollars to make themselves perfectly acceptable to everyone, and the companies who WILLINGLY link themselves to gun control are relatively few. Most have blundered into indirect support of gun-control and are VERY amenable to dropping it if it shows signs of backfiring with a substantial market share. 7. Whenever a politician takes a stand in favor of gun control, check police records. Find out what carry permits he or she has. Then disseminate this information to as wide an audience as possible. 8. Whenever a politician takes a stand in favor of gun control, find out what private security and bodyguard services he/she has protecting him/her. Find out what arms they carry. Then disseminate this information to as wide an audience as possible. 9. Whenever any lawyer (especially a public officeholder elected or otherwise) takes a stand in favor of gun control, attempt to find grounds for his/her disbarment. Calls for information over Internet should be most useful here. 10. Teach your children to become gun users. There is nothing like the strength that comes from numbers. 11. With the current interest of women in self-defense, seek to heighten awareness among women of the usefulness of a gun for self-defense. Special emphasis should be paid to special problems that many women may face, such as gun safety in a single-parent household which has young children. 12. Determine the feasibility of starting NRA-sanctioned shooting programs in your community. These steps should effectively deal with the problem of gun control. 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Those who act consistently with this = principle are libertarians whether they realize it or not. Those who fail = to act consistently with it are _not_ libertarians, regardless of what = they may claim." L. Neil Smith=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I'M TIRED (With Apologies to Pearl Bailey and Madeleine Kahn) [As presented to the second annual Liberty Round Table Conclave near Estes Park, Colorado, July 2nd, 1998] By L. Neil Smith Subject: Fwd: Legasy of the Republican Revolution Received: from vader.thnet.com ([206.98.115.1]) by icarus.ci.west-valley.ut.us; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:00:30 -0600 Received: from bruce54.thnet.com (bruce54.thnet.com [206.98.115.154]) by vader.thnet.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA01247; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:47:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199807121147.GAA01247@vader.thnet.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Distribution" Organization: The Vigo Examiner To: Distribution@vader.thnet.com Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:38:54 +0000 Subject: Legasy of the Republican Revolution Reply-to: Distribution@Vigo-Examiner.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline GUEST EDITORIAL Legasy of the Republican Revolution Land-Mine Legislation by CLAIRE WOLFE Let me run by you a brief list of items that are "the law" in America today. As you read, consider what all these have in common. 1. A national database of employed people. 2. 100 pages of new "health care crimes," for which the penalty is (among other things) seizure of assets from both doctors and patients. 3. Confiscation of assets from any American who establishes foreign citizenship. 4. The largest gun confiscation act in U.S. history - which is also an unconstitutional ex postfacto law and the first law ever to remove = people's constitutional rights for committing a misdemeanor. 5. A law banning guns in ill-defined school zones; random roadblocks may = be used for enforcement; gun-bearing residents could become federal criminals just by stepping outside their doors or getting into vehicles. 6. Increased funding for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, an agency infamous for its brutality, dishonesty and ineptitude. 7. A law enabling the executive branch to declare various groups "Terrorists" - without stating any reason and without the possibility of appeal. Once a group has been so declared, its mailing and membership = lists must be turned over to the government. 8. A law authorizing secret trials with secret evidence for certain = classes of people. 9. A law requiring that all states begin issuing drivers licenses carrying Social Security numbers and "security features" (such as magnetically = coded fingerprints and personal records) by October 1, 2000. By October 1, 2006, "Neither the Social Security Administration or the Passport Office or any other Federal agency or any State or local government agency may accept = for any evidentiary purpose a State driver's license or identification = document in a form other than [one issued with a verified Social Security number = and 'security features']." 10. And my personal favorite - a national database, now being constructed, that will contain every exchange and observation that takes place in your doctor's office. This includes records of your prescriptions, your hemorrhoids and your mental illness. It also includes - by law - any statements you make ("Doc, I'm worried my kid may be on drugs...... Doc, I've been so stressed out lately I feel about ready to go postal.") and = any observations your doctor makes about your mental or physical condition, whether accurate or not, whether made with your knowledge or not. For the time being, there will be zero (count 'em, zero) privacy safeguards on = this data. But don't worry, your government will protect you with some = undefined "privacy standards" in a few years. All of the above items are the law of the land. Federal law. What else do they have in common? Well, when I ask this question to audiences, I usually get the answer, "They're all unconstitutional." True. My favorite answer came from an eloquent college student who blurted, "They all SUUUCK!" Also true. But the saddest and = most telling answer is: They were all the product of the 104th Congress. Every one of the horrors above was imposed upon you by the Congress of the Republican-Revolution -- the Congress that pledged to "get government off your back." BURYING TIME BOMBS All of the above became law by being buried in larger bills. In many = cases, they are hidden sneak attacks upon individual liberties that were neither debated on the floor of Congress nor reported in the media. For instance, three of the most horrific items (the health care database, asset confiscation for foreign residency and the 100 pages of health care = crimes) were hidden in the Kennedy-Kassebaum Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HR 3103). You didn't hear about them at the time because the media was too busy celebrating this moderate, compromise bill that "simply" ensured that no American would ever lose insurance coverage due to a job change or a Pre-existing condition. Your legislator may not have heard about them, either. Because he or she didn't care = enough to do so. The fact is, most legislators don't even read the laws they inflict upon the public. They read the title of the bill (which may be something like "The Save the Sweet Widdle Babies from Gun Violence by Drooling Drug Fiends Act of 1984"). They read summaries, which are often prepared by the very agencies or groups pushing the bill. And they vote according to various deals or pressures. It also sometimes happens that = the most horrible provisions are sneaked into bills during conference = committee negotiations, after both House and Senate have voted on their separate versions of the bills. The conference committee process is supposed simply to reconcile differences between two versions of a bill. But power brokers use it for purposes of their own, adding what they wish. Then members of the House and Senate vote on the final, unified version of the bill, often in a great rush, and often without even having the amended text available for review. I have even heard (though I cannot verify) that stealth provisions were written into some bills after all the voting has taken place. Someone with a hidden agenda simply edits them in to suit his or = her own purposes. So these time bombs become "law" without ever having been voted on by anybody. And who's to know? If congress people don't even read legislation before they vote on it, why would they bother reading it afterward? Are power brokers capable of such chicanery? Do we even need to ask? Is the computer system in which bills are stored vulnerable to tampering by people within or outside of Congress? We certainly should = ask. Whether your legislators were ignorant of the infamy they were perpetrating, or whether they knew, one thing is absolutely certain: The Constitution, your legislator's oath to it, and your inalienable rights (which precede the Constitution) never entered into anyone's consideration.= Ironically, you may recall that one of the early pledges of Newt Gingrich and Company was to stop these stealth attacks. Very early in the 104th Congress, the Republican leadership declared that, henceforth, all bills would deal only with the subject matter named in the title of the bill. When, at the beginning of the first session of the 104th, pro-gun Republicans attempted to attach a repeal of the "assault weapons" ban to another bill, House leaders dismissed their amendment as not being "germane." After that self-righteous and successful attempt to prevent pro-freedom stealth legislation, Congress people turned right around and got back to the dirty old business of practicing all the anti-freedom stealth they were capable of. STEALTH ATTACKS IN BROAD DAYLIGHT Three other items on my list (ATF funding, gun confiscation and school = zone roadblocks) were also buried in a big bill - HR 3610, the budget appropriation passed near the end of the second session of the 104th Congress. No legislator can claim to have been unaware of these three because they were brought to public attention by gun-rights groups and hotly debated in both Congress and the media. Yet some 90 percent of all congress people voted for them including many who claim to be ardent protectors of the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Why? Well, in the case of my wrapped-in-the-flag, allegedly pro-gun, Republican congressperson: "Bill Clinton made me do it!" Okay, I paraphrase. What she actually said was more like, "It was part of a budget appropriations package. The public got mad at us for shutting the government down in = 1994. If we hadn't voted for this budget bill, they might have elected a Democratic legislature in 1996 - and you wouldn't want THAT, would you?" = Oh heavens, no I'd much rather be enslaved by people who spell their name = with an R than people who spell their name with a D. Makes all the difference = in the world! HOW SNEAK ATTACKS ARE JUSTIFIED The Republicans are fond of claiming that Bill Clinton "forced" them to pass certain legislation by threatening to veto anything they sent to the White House that didn't meet his specs. In other cases (as with the Kennedy-Kassebaum bill), they proudly proclaim their misdeeds in the name of bipartisanship - while carefully forgetting -to mention the true nature of what they're doing. In still others, they trumpet their triumph over = the evil Democrats and claim the mantle of limited government while sticking = it to us and to the Constitution. The national database of workers was in the welfare reform bill they "forced" Clinton to accept. The requirement for = SS numbers and ominous "security" devices on drivers licenses originated in their very own Immigration Control and Financial Responsibility Act of 1996, HR 2202. Another common trick, called to my attention by Redmon Barbry, publisher of the electronic magazine Fratricide, is to hide duplicate or near-duplicate provisions in several bills. Then, when the Supreme Court declares Section A of Law Z to be -unconstitutional, its kissing cousin, Section B of Law Y, remains to rule us. Sometimes this particular form of trickery is done even more brazenly; when the Supreme Court, in its Lopez decision, declared federal-level school zone gun bans unconstitutional because Congress demonstrated no jurisdiction, Congress brassily changed a few words. They claimed that school zones fell under = the heading of "interstate commerce." Then they sneaked the provision into HR 3610, where it became "law" once again. When angry voters upbraid congress people about some Big Brotherish horror they've inflicted upon the country by stealth, they claim lack of knowledge, lack of time, party pressure, public pressure, or they justify themselves by claiming that the rest of the bill was "good". The simple fact is that, regardless of what reasons legislators may claim, the U.S. Congress has passed more Big Brother legislation in the last two years - more laws to enable tracking, spying and controlling - than any Democratic congress ever passed. And they have done it, in large part, in secret. Redmon Barbry put it best: "We the people have the right to expect our elected representatives to read, comprehend and master the bills they vote on. If this means Congress = passes only 50 bills per session instead of 5,000, so be it. As far as I am concerned, whoever subverts this process is committing treason." By whatever means the deed is done, there is no acceptable excuse for voting against the Constitution, voting for tyranny. And I would add to Redmon's comments: Those who do read the bills, then knowingly vote to ravage our liberties, are doubly guilty. But when do the treason trials begin? BILLS AS WINDOW DRESSING FOR AN UGLY AGENDA The truth is that these tiny, buried provisions are often the real intent of the law, and that the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of pages that surround them are sometimes nothing more than elaborate window dressing. These tiny time bombs are placed there at the behest of federal police agencies or other power groups whose agenda is not clearly visible to us. And their impact is felt long after the outward intent of the bill has = been forgotten. Civil forfeiture - now one of the plagues of the nation was first introduced in the 1970s as one of those buried, almost unnoticed provisions of a larger law. One wonders why on earth a "health care bill" carried a provision to confiscate the assets of people who become frightened or discouraged enough to leave the country. (In fact, the = entire bill was an amendment to the Internal Revenue Code. Go figure.) I think we all realize by now that that database of employed people will still be around enabling government to track our locations (and heaven knows what else. about us, as the database is enhanced and expanded) long after the touted benefits of "welfare reform" have failed to materialize. And most grimly of all, our drivers licenses will be our de facto national ID card long after immigrants have ceased to want to come to this Land of the Once Free. CONTROL REIGNS It matters not one whit whether the people controlling you call themselves R's or D's, liberals or conservatives, socialists or even (I hate to admit it) libertarians. It doesn't matter whether they vote for these horrors because they're not paying attention or because they actually like such things. What matters is that the pace of totalitarianism is increasing. = And it is coming closer to our daily lives all the time. Once your state = passes the enabling legislation (under threat of losing "federal welfare dollars"), it is YOUR name and Social Security number that will be entered in that employee database the moment you go to work for a new employer. It is YOU who will be unable to cash a check, board an airplane, get a passport or be allowed any dealings with any government agency if you refuse to give your SS number to the drivers license bureau. It is YOU who will be endangered by driving "illegally" if you refuse to submit to Big Brother's procedures. It is YOU whose psoriasis, manic depression or prostate troubles will soon be the reading matter of any bureaucrat with a computer. It is YOU who could be declared a member of a "foreign terrorist"= organization just because you bought a book or concert tickets from some group the government doesn't like. It is YOU who could lose your home, = bank account and reputation because you made a mistake on a health insurance form. Finally, when you become truly desperate for freedom, it is YOU = whose assets will be seized if you try to flee this increasingly insane country. As Ayn Rand said in Atlas Shrugged, "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." It's time to drop any pretense: We are no longer law-abiding citizens. We have lost our law-abiding status. There are = simply too many laws to abide. And because of increasingly draconian penalties = and electronic tracking mechanisms, our "lawbreaking" places us and our families in greater jeopardy every day. STOPPING RUNAWAY GOVERNMENT The question is: What are we going to do about it? - - Concluded with Part 2 tomorrow - http://www.america-collins.com/essay-art1.htm - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= http//:www.Vigo-Examiner.com Enjoy a free 90 day trial subscription to The Vigo Examiner. You will receive one to three of our top articles each day. =20 Send your subscription request, and all other communication to Editor@Vigo-Examiner.com. - - ------------------------------ End of utah-firearms-digest V2 #83 **********************************