From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #92 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Friday, July 31 1998 Volume 02 : Number 092 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:13:13 -0600 From: "David Sagers" Subject: Fwd: Re: More on Capitol Shooting Received: from kendaco.telebyte.com ([206.53.160.3]) by icarus.ci.west-valley.ut.us; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:09:24 -0600 Received: (from mail@localhost) by kendaco.telebyte.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA09255; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:08:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: kendaco.telebyte.com: mail set sender to NRA-ILA-EVC-owner@kendaco.telebyte.com using -f Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by kendaco.telebyte.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA09243 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:08:51 -0700 From: SIHarmon@aol.com Received: from SIHarmon@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id QNMJa17153 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:04:54 EDT To: NRA-ILA-EVC@kendaco.telebyte.com Subject: Re: More on Capitol Shooting Reply-To: NRA-ILA-EVC@kendaco.telebyte.com Sender: NRA-ILA-EVC-owner@kendaco.telebyte.com Precedence: list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline And what if he had a knife or a basebal bat and was really intent on = hurting folks? Exactly how, if we are all disarmed, do we stop him? I used to = fence sabre, and I can assure you, an average fencer can cover so much ground so quickly with a sword, that wading in to stop him barehanded is not a good tactical choice. I used to think having a knife on me would be sufficient= in case of attack; after all, I had studied blade combat all my adult life. = But the reality is, against multiple attackers, or with someone with a longer weapon, you are at a tremendous disadvantage. I wouldn't turn a blade = down, but given a choice, I would rather have a gun. Had these officers not = been armed, and had the courage to resist, even though surprised, who knows = how many more would have died. Compare the loss here, the loss to armed = attacks in Israel with armed response to the disasters in the UK and New Zealand = where the public has no such options. Going up against a bat with a knife is = one thing; going up against a nut with a gun with your barehands or your own = club is suicidal. It is funny how no one asks what would have happened if the officers weren't armed. Scott HArmon ****Owning a firearm is a RIGHT, not a privilege**** The NRA ILA EVC closed mailing list is NOT an=20 official list of the NRA, but is offered as=20 a tool by Jim Kendall (WA-1st District EVC) and Telebyte NW. 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This number is brought to us compliments of = the=20 AARP. - --------------8040306DADFD7B255930CF19-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:51:21 -0600 From: "David Sagers" Subject: Fwd: New Witnesses Emerge In Oklahoma Grand Jury Investigation Received: from vader.thnet.com ([206.98.115.1]) by icarus.ci.west-valley.ut.us; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 05:07:37 -0600 Received: from bruce8.thnet.com (bruce8.thnet.com [206.98.115.108]) by vader.thnet.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA18406; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 05:59:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199807301059.FAA18406@vader.thnet.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Distribution" Organization: The Vigo Examiner To: Distribution@vader.thnet.com Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 05:49:42 +0000 Subject: New Witnesses Emerge In Oklahoma Grand Jury Investigation Reply-to: Distribution@Vigo-Examiner.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline New Witnesses Emerge In Oklahoma Grand Jury Investigation Congress Ponders Inquiry into Bombing Conspiracy by WESLEY PHELAN The Washington Weekly Last month several members of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee traveled to Washington D.C. to persuade members of Congress to hold hearings on the events surrounding the April 19, 1995 bombing of the = Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. Meanwhile, new witnesses have appeared before the Oklahoma County grand jury. One recent witness, an Oklahoma County Deputy Sheriff, testified that he discovered an unexploded bomb in the building while trying to rescue victims of the bombing. Another new witness, an employee of the Mid-western Elevator Company, provided an affidavit on June 22 [1]. The affidavit states that immediately after the bombing the witness saw agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms stepping over victims in the rubble, in an effort to collect and secure certain files. The affidavit also states that the witness assisted agents of the FBI and ATF as they removed assault rifles, explosives, anti-tank weapons, and ammunition from their offices in the building. In the following interview with The Washington Weekly, Oklahoma State Representative Charles Key discusses these and other recent developments in the investigation. QUESTION: The last time I talked to you, back in May, you and some members of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee were preparing for a trip to Washington, D.C. What was the purpose of that trip? KEY: We wanted to talk with some members of Congress and their staff, whom we had been in touch with for quite some time. We had appointments with specific members and staff people. We also wanted to lobby and talk to members of each house with whom we had not previously been in communication. QUESTION: Were you attempting to get congressional hearings on the bombing of the Murrah Building? KEY: Yes, our conversations were for that specific purpose. QUESTION: How successful do you think you were? KEY: I think we were very successful. I was there three times last year = and twice this year, along with other people. Others have also been there at times when I did not go. All of these trips were for that same purpose. A number of members and staffers from each house expressed strong sentiment that there should be congressional hearings on the issue. It will take the cooperation of several members of the Judiciary Committees in each house = to get that accomplished. Hearings might possibly be held in other committees or subcommittees also. Representative Traficant has been the most vocal in expressing interest in this area. He is the ranking Democratic member on the Subcommittee on Public Buildings and Economic Development. QUESTION: When I last spoke to Cate McCauley [2], she said that one of the ways you might get this before a congressional committee pertained to the glass, which she thought was replaced in the building some time before the bombing took place. Is that a method you are considering for getting this before a committee? KEY: Yes, Representative Traficant was looking at that issue because his subcommittee would be interested in it. But frankly, we are not sure the information is available to verify what we had originally been told - - that the building was supposed to have safety glass, which was later replaced with regular plate glass. Since we have not been able to verify this, we are not sure at this time if it is accurate. QUESTION: How could you find that information? KEY: I think the GSA would have the documents. If I remember correctly, we have talked to some engineers who recommended the building have safety glass, but that it was not required. That is unofficially the last we have been able to find out. QUESTION: Did the legislators and staffers indicate to you that they = wanted to get to the bottom of what happened with the bombing, whether there were other conspirators, for example? KEY: Yes. That's what they are mainly interested in. QUESTION: Did you get a sense that people on the Hill believe all those responsible for this atrocity have not been brought to justice? KEY: Absolutely, beyond any question at all. Many of them have the same opinion and attitude about this that we do. They are convinced there are other perpetrators. They also have strong suspicions - - I could probably say belief - - there was prior knowledge by some in our government. QUESTION: When you say 'prior knowledge,' do you mean there was evidence a plot was being hatched to do something like this, or there was knowledge that a bombing would likely take place at the Murrah Building? In the past there has been some ambiguity about what exactly the term 'prior knowledge'= means in this context. KEY: Yes, there has, and I'm not sure we can give anything other than opinions about that right now. QUESTION: When you use the term, what do you mean by it? KEY: I think there were those who had specific knowledge of a specific = plan by some to bomb that building on that day. QUESTION: Those who had that knowledge, were they working to circumvent, = to stop this plan? KEY: Yes, I believe so. QUESTION: Why did they not, for example, go ahead and arrest the people they thought were involved in this plot? KEY: Well, that's a good question. The information with regard to that is somewhat confusing. There are ATF documents showing information that was being gathered and passed on to the agency by Carol Howe, for example [3]. Their own field reports show this information was being given to them. Information also exists in field reports that the FBI had their own surveillance of Elohim City and of the people there, similar to what Carol Howe passed on to her ATF superiors. That information concerns people = there and their threats and their surveillance of buildings, including the = Murrah Building. The ATF documents also show that the FBI and ATF got together about six weeks before, and had a meeting of the minds. The report is = dated approximately February 28, 1995, I believe. The heads of the FBI and the ATF got together to find out who was doing what. This came out at the = trial of Carol Howe. Carol Howe's subsequent trip to go back to Elohim City, which was being scheduled in March, the month before the bombing, was called off. So it seems very reasonable that when the ATF and FBI got together, when the ATF discovered the FBI had their own surveillance, someone decided one agency would prevail over the other with regard to the surveillance. Clearly, the FBI prevailed. My understanding is Dave Roberts, the former head of the = ATF out of the Tulsa office, who was one of the persons mentioned in the documents, told the grand jury here about two months ago that the FBI called them off. QUESTION: A person told me some time ago off the record that the ATF was planning a raid on Elohim City, and they went to the Oklahoma State Police for the use of a plane. The FBI was alerted by someone with the State Police, and called off the ATF raid. Would you like to comment about this on the record? KEY: My understanding, and I believe it is the correct version, is that after the fly over which included three ATF agents and the State Trooper pilot, ATF agent Angela Finley- Graham was told by the Trooper, Ken Stafford, that the FBI had their own surveillance operation of Elohim = City. She immediately went to her supervisor, Dave Roberts, and that caused the meetings between the US Attorney, FBI heads and ATF heads. Angela Finley-Graham had gone to the INS in Oklahoma City, and had talked to the INS office in Houston, further preparing for this raid. What she received from them was documents verifying that Strassmeir was an alien = and that his visa had expired. So he was at that point an illegal alien. She also had information from Carol Howe that he was carrying weapons around, which is another violation of law. So she was doing all those appropriate things to prepare to raid the compound and arrest him. QUESTION: Do you know at this point why agencies of the federal government allowed Strassmeir to flee from the United States to Germany? KEY: I don't know, but I would bet anything they had some kind of arrangement with him, and were aware of his activities. QUESTION: 'They' would be the FBI, or some covert government agency? KEY: Some agency of the government. I think the FBI was probably aware of it. QUESTION: So you think the FBI stopped the ATF from apprehending Strassmeir= because he was in fact working with some government agency? KEY: I believe so. QUESTION: Let's shift gears a bit. What is the update on the grand jury? KEY: They have been meeting, but have not had many witnesses lately. They had a deputy sheriff come in to testify a few days ago. This deputy had a bomb sniffing dog that died about 30 days after the bombing. We believe he testified about his knowledge related to his work as a rescue worker. He found one of the other bombs, I think it was the second one. He saw that bomb being taken out of the building. QUESTION: Was the bomb strapped to a column in the building? KEY: I'm not sure it was strapped to a column, but I know he discovered = it. QUESTION: What caused the dog to die? KEY: I hope I get a chance to talk to the people who had dogs. There are = so many other aspects to this that I have not yet been able to do so. There have been stories from the beginning that this is some kind of evidence of chemicals or something else being present at the scene, which had an = effect on the dogs. I don't know if that is the case, and I would not speculate. QUESTION: Is this the only dog you know of that has died? KEY: I think there was another one. QUESTION: Have any people who were victims of the bombing or were at the scene later experienced anything of that sort? KEY: There is at least one surviving family member who alleges such and says that medical personnel have told her such but I don't want to allege that. As I have said so many times, there is so much to this story, and we have not been able to pursue many, many things. Also, it is difficult to get some of the law enforcement people to talk to us QUESTION: Are there other developments with the grand jury? KEY: We presented information a few days ago about a new witness. This fellow is one of the elevator employees, and was immediately on the scene. QUESTION: Was he from the Mid-western Elevator Company? KEY: Yes. This guy saw some very interesting things, to say the least. He saw two bombs being taken out and put in the bomb disposal unit. QUESTION: This was after the bombing? KEY: Yes, after the initial explosions. He also saw ATF agents and other federal employees coming into the building, to their offices. They were stepping over wounded and or dead bodies lying on the floor, to pick up files and look in file cabinets. They were not interested in trying to = help or save anybody. Rather, they had some real interest in securing some documents. For the next three or four days he ran the elevator going up to the ATF offices, because they got one of the elevators running immediately.= DEA, Secret Service and Customs agents also went upstairs and brought things out. He knows of various kinds of weapons they brought out, including rocket launchers, boxes marked 'explosives,' dozens of handguns, some grenades, and other items. He was one of a number of people who were traumatized by what they saw. He stayed in the building during the two = bomb scares - - he did not leave the building, but continued to look for = people. QUESTION: Leaving aside whatever explosive devices might have been stored in government offices, you clearly have evidence of other explosive = devices being planted in the building. This shoots a hole in the government's = lone- bomber, single bomb theory. What new evidence do you have of others who might have been complicit in this? KEY: I don't know that we have any new evidence on people's identities. = But the evidence clearly points to other perpetrators and a bigger conspiracy to bomb the building than McVeigh and Nichols. There are many eyewitnesses to other perpetrators. Scientific experts say it could not have happened with an ammonium nitrate bomb. Other experts say there would have been clear evidence of an ammonium nitrate bomb, which obviously was not found at the site. There are people such as the person we just discussed, who talk about other explosive devices they saw taken out of the building, or say they talked to federal personnel about those devices being removed = from the building after the initial explosions. So I think the evidence is overwhelming. You don't have a building there anymore so most evidence = must come from witness reports. QUESTION: I have been asked this question by a lot of people: "Is it true they demolished what was left of the building, then buried it somewhere = and covered it with concrete?" KEY: They brought the building down and carted off the remains in trucks = to four different locations. They then dug holes and buried it, at least in one of those locations. One of those locations is in my house district. Then they guarded that site for a period of time. QUESTION: Is it still being guarded? KEY: No. But the debris is probably under a lot of dirt. QUESTION: Do you have any thoughts on how long the grand jury will remain in operation? KEY: There is an Oklahoma statute about 35 years old that has been = repealed by a couple of amendments to the constitution. It says a grand jury must terminate 30 days before an election, or can't begin until ten days after an election. Many things pointed toward the statute being unconstitutional,= including the two constitutional amendments. We, along with the district attorneys, had brought this to the attention of the grand jury. Several days ago the grand jury asked the judge to address the issue in open = court. He responded that it was his opinion it was unconstitutional, but he gave any interested party a week to submit briefs. That time limit expired on Tuesday, June 23. On June 24 the judge issued his opinion that in fact the statute is unconstitutional, and the grand jury will not be affected by = it. QUESTION: Let's return to your trip to Washington D.C. Did you get a sense that members of Congress were outraged by what they had seen regarding the investigation of this tragedy? KEY: Congressmen are like anybody else. Some clearly were outraged. Some, unfortunately, did not seem to like what they were hearing. Some knew how this case had been handled, but were not really surprised. Many did not want to deal with it, like a lot of other people who have been confronted with these issues. QUESTION: Did these reactions cut along partisan lines, or was it pretty much nonpartisan? KEY: We probably talked to more Republicans than Democrats, but I think it does not go down party lines. QUESTION: Do you have any idea of a timeline by which the issue may come before Congress? KEY: I doubt that we'll see congressional hearings before the first part = of next year, simply because Congress is about to recess for a month then = come back for about a month before the elections. So there is not enough time this year. QUESTION: Are you concerned about what effect the outcome of the elections might have on the possibility of hearings? KEY: No, I'm not even thinking about that. QUESTION: Did you meet with Congressman Istook while you were in Washington? KEY: No. We met with him after we got back. QUESTION: Is he supportive of having congressional hearings? KEY: He's not very happy with what happened back in January. QUESTION: You are referring to the Oklahoma County Reserve Deputy Sheriffs who went before the grand jury [4]? KEY: Yes. You are the first media person I've talked to about this. He and his staff are understandably not very happy about what took place. My position is that he, along with everyone else, is going to be faced with a decision about how to deal with this issue. As time goes by, we will all = be judged by the decision we make. A lot of people have asked us, "Why have our Representatives and Senators in Washington been silent about this?" As this continues to unfold, whether there are congressional hearings or not, what our Congressmen do is going to say a lot. When you look at the facts of this case, you cannot justify non-action or silence. It screams for questions to be asked and answers found. I have gained a lot of respect = for a number of people, such as Representative Traficant and his chief of staff, Paul Marcone, who are very concerned about getting to the truth. As we inform these people of the facts, I believe they will want to do what = is right and have hearings. QUESTION: What is the biggest problem you currently face on a day to day basis? KEY: Just raising money on a day to day basis is our biggest problem. It costs money to get the manpower necessary to carry out our functions, such as investigating. We also have legal and administrative costs. If one considers what we're trying to do here with three or four people, which is act as a watchdog on what the feds have done and what they are now doing = on this case, one can understand the difficulty and magnitude of the job. We really have needed and still need to hire other investigators. We need several. QUESTION: Would you like to inform interested readers about how they can help your effort? KEY: We are a 505(c) organization, which is nonprofit. That means a contribution is tax deductible for the contributor. Interested citizens = may send a contribution to our organization at: Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee P.O. Box 75697 Oklahoma = City, OK 73147 We have also received quite a number of very good leads about the bombing from people who have read the articles in the Washington Weekly, or have gone to our website [5]. If anyone has information that can help us, we would appreciate their contacting us through the email function at our website, or by regular mail. NOTES [1] The Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee provided a signed, notarized copy of the affidavit to The Washington Weekly. [2] Cathleen McCauley is Executive Director of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee. A previous Washington Weekly interview with McCauley is available at: http://www.mtco.com/~wphlen/page112.html [3] The ATF reports of Carol Howe may be viewed at http://www.okcbombing.org/html/howe.htm [4] For a discussion of the evidence provided to the grand jury by these witnesses, see the previous Washington Weekly interview with Representative= Key at http://www.federal.com/jan19- 98/Oklahoma [5] The Committee's website is located at http://www.okcbombing.org/ Wesley Phelan may be reached at wphlen@mtco.com Published in the Jun. 29, 1998 issue of The Washington Weekly Copyright 1998 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal. com) Copyright 1997 = Company Name, Inc. All rights reserved. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= http://www.Vigo-Examiner.com TEXT VERSION Enjoy a free 90 day trial subscription to The Vigo Examiner. 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Received: from kendaco.telebyte.com ([206.53.160.3]) by icarus.ci.west-valley.ut.us; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:00:07 -0600 Received: (from mail@localhost) by kendaco.telebyte.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA22031; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:01:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: kendaco.telebyte.com: mail set sender to NRA-ILA-EVC-owner@kendaco.telebyte.com using -f Received: from starnine.com (starnine.com [198.211.93.1]) by kendaco.telebyte.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA22027 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:01:34 -0700 Received: from qdmail.starnine.com (qdmail.starnine.com [198.211.93.74]) by starnine.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA08412; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: 29 Jul 1998 20:54:34 -0700 From: "Mike Haas" Subject: How important are volunteers to NRA? To: "AJSalzer" , "al barth" , "Anthony Roulette" , "Bill Maggiora" , "Bill MAXFIELD" , "Bruce" , "C.P. Morrissey" , "Carl A. Overmyer" , "David Bundesen" <70322.272@Compuserve.com>, "David Golden" , denhartog@earthlink.net, "Don Baldwin" , "Doug Owen" , "Ed Thiele" , "Eric Williams" , "G.H. Dreher" , GRMCRACKER@aol.com, "Hayden Heal" , hes@unity.ncsu.edu, "James Nicholson" , "Jay Printz" , "Jerry Avalos" , "Jim Manown" , jjflemin@Flash.Net, "Joe Chew" , "Joel Friedman" , "John Drennan" , "John L. Cushman" , "John Sigler" , JSolbakken@aol.com, "Ken Hamblin" , "KURT E SCHULMEYER" , "Larry W. Kauble" , "Mark C Nicely" , "Michael Marks" , "Mike Varner" , "MS BONNIE L MCCLORY" , "NRA-ILA-EVC List" , "Paul Vallandigham" , "Peter D. Nesbitt" , rbabcock@community.net, RFahey2781@gnn.com, "Rk908" , "Tanya Metaksa" , "TJJOHNSTN" Reply-To: NRA-ILA-EVC@kendaco.telebyte.com Sender: NRA-ILA-EVC-owner@kendaco.telebyte.com Precedence: list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline How important are volunteers to NRA? One word: VITAL!=20 Gun-control advocates and *your Backyard* Since the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968, the face of the=20 battle has changed. NRA and NRA Grassroots have been very effective, insulating Sarah=20 Brady and her friends from great federal and state victories.=20 Establishing and re-electing a Congress that halted her federal=20 agenda, the recent Washington State **Victory** (emphasis=20 added and deserved) and relaxing CCW laws in 34 states are=20 but a few examples. But groups like HCI have adjusted, moving their fight to local city=20 and county councils as never before. This is why we, the Grassroots,=20 must work together as we have never before. Probably the largest example of grassroots organization is the 50=20 or so California Members' Councils that operate under ILA charter.=20 This network has successfully stopped anti-gun proposals before=20 city and county councils, as well as assisting NRA staff at the=20 state legislature. In 1997, the group halted an unprecedented=20 number of bills that comprised an anti-gunners "blitzkrieg" on=20 Sacramento with its own flood of pro-gun letters, faxes and emails.=20 It is California, actually, that is being flooded with a rash of "Saturday Night Special" Bans, the antis name for their inherently discriminatory policy keeping affordable self-defense=20 tools out of low-income hands. The state is having a terrible time with anti-gunners prodding localities to pass these, as well as trigger lock bills, tax increases, just about any anti-gun idea they've dreamed up. Thank heaven for the California NRA Members' Councils... they take the fight to the local politicians offices and other places outside the scope of NRA HQ! NOTE: it is almost GUARRENTEED that the antis are trying to plant the seeds for the same kinds of actions in your own state, if they don't have a full-scale garden blooming there already! THIS IS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO ORGANIZE WITH OTHER ACTIVE NRA MEMBERS IN YOUR AREA TO *DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT*!!!! =20 Since the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968, the face of the=20 battle has changed. Sign-up as an NRA-ILA Volunteer and help direct=20 those changes. After all, they may be in *your backyard* soon!=20 You can sign-up as an NRA-ILA Grassroots Volunteer right from your web browser at... http://www.NRAWinningTeam.com/volunteer/ You can even print the form and distribute it to your non-Internet- browsing friends, since NRA Grassroots Divisions US Mail address is =20 on the form. Please help by signing up, and spreading the word. Please distribute far and wide! Pass on to any electronic services you are subscribed to. ************************************************************** http://www.nrawinningteam.com/ http://www.calweb.com/~haas/ammoguide/ ************************************************************** ****Owning a firearm is a RIGHT, not a privilege**** The NRA ILA EVC closed mailing list is NOT an=20 official list of the NRA, but is offered as=20 a tool by Jim Kendall (WA-1st District EVC) and Telebyte NW. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send an email request to=20 NRA-1st@telebyte.com *********** Victory 1998! *************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:19:05 -0600 From: "David Sagers" Subject: Fwd: Notice: Received: from mail.interjetnet.net ([208.231.136.27]) by icarus.ci.west-valley.ut.us; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:56:46 -0600 Received: from default (ppp085.interjetnet.net [208.236.167.85]) by mail.interjetnet.net (2.5 Build 2640 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA00581; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:50:24 -0600 Message-ID: <001f01bdbc48$18222500$55a7ecd0@default> From: "Jackbooted Thug" To: Subject: Notice: Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:57:14 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_2D79D463.157418ED" - --=_2D79D463.157418ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Senator Bob Bennett, Congressman Merrill Cook and Congressman Chris Cannon and some other candidates running for office will be hosting a BBQ on Saturday Aug.. 1, 1998 at 12: PM - 2: PM at Eastridge Park, 12000 South 10th East in Sandy. Cost of $2.50 or $15 per family. Jerry said that she has food for 300 and needs bodies. She said she didn't care even if people paid, she just needs bodies. I think that it might be a good opportunity to quiz these people to see what they have done in office or plan to. I think it would be nice to know if Bennett is on any UN Committees, or Why he voted to expand NATO, etc. It would be nice to know if Cook voted to finance any UN and NATO bills, or support of such in any way. 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