From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #93 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Wednesday, August 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 093 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:34:07 -0600 From: "David Sagers" Subject: Fwd: Cars, Guns & Summer Vac Received: from wvc ([204.246.130.34]) by icarus.ci.west-valley.ut.us; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:59:52 -0600 Received: from listbox.com by wvc (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA00504; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:48:54 -0600 Received: (qmail 2198 invoked by uid 516); 31 Jul 1998 05:58:40 -0000 Delivered-To: rkba-co@majordomo.pobox.com Received: (qmail 2183 invoked from network); 31 Jul 1998 05:58:36 -0000 Received: from growl.pobox.com (208.210.124.27) by majordomo.pobox.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1998 05:58:36 -0000 Received: from mail2.rockymtn.net (ns2.rockymtn.net [166.93.8.2]) by growl.pobox.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA12351 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 166-93-76-234.rmi.net (166-93-76-234.rmi.net [166.93.76.234]) by mail2.rockymtn.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA04910; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199807310525.XAA04910@mail2.rockymtn.net> X-Sender: davisda@rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:26:11 -0600 To: davisda@rmi.net From: Douglas Davis Subject: Cars, Guns & Summer Vac Sender: owner-rkba-co.new@majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rkba-co@majordomo.pobox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Posted to rkba-co by Douglas Davis - ----------------------- >Return-Path: <70274.1222@compuserve.com> >Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:50:02 -0400 >From: Paul Gallant/NY <70274.1222@compuserve.com> >Subject: Cars, Guns & Summer Vac >Sender: Paul Gallant/NY <70274.1222@compuserve.com> >To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com >Content-Disposition: inline > > GUNS, CARS, & SUMMER VACATION > >by Dr. Paul Gallant & David B. Kopel > >Packing the family in your automobile, to set out across the country for >summer vacation? In America, your driver's license issued in one state = is >valid in all the other 49. But what if a license issued in your home = state >could only be used there? To travel from Pennsylvania to Florida, you'd = need >a separate license from each state that you'd pass through. Ridiculous, = huh? >But that's exactly the problem faced by vacationers and other travelers = who >want to protect their family. You see, many states refuse to accept the >validity of handgun licenses issued by other states. > >Thus, the father who wants to protect his vacationing family from = two-legged >or four-legged predators is caught between a rock and a hard place. In = many >states, the penalties for even the simple possession of an "unlicensed" >handgun - regardless of the fact that it's never been used in the = commission >of a crime - subject its possessor to prison terms which would make Rip = Van >Winkle cringe! > >While firearm-prohibitionists are always claiming that they want to = "treat >guns like cars," they don't really mean it. If the anti-gun lobbyists = were >true to their word, they would encourage every state to recognize every = other >state's gun licenses--just like states currently treat driver's licenses. > >The real point of the "treat guns like cars" line from the gun banners is = to >promote gun registration; we register cars, so why not register guns? Of >course the antis always forget that the only cars which have to be = registered >on those used on public streets. A car kept only on your own property = (such as >for driving around your farm) does not need to be registered. > >Inexplicably, the anti-gun groups who want to treat cars like guns never >criticize the current schizoid treatment of firearm "violators", as = compared >to our treatment of traffic violators! > >Have you heard of an outcry for legislation banning the sale, manufacture,= and >possession of Jaguars, after some poor unfortunate soul was run down by a >drunk driver, seated behind the wheel of one of these killing machines? = Or, >how about a call to ban Corvettes, after one of them was used by a pair = of >bank-robbers making good their getaway? > >Punishing the offender, instead of banning the objects used to facilitate = the >crime, is the logical thing to do. We crack down on drunk drivers, not = on >automobiles. > >So, then, why not use the same reasoning when dealing with firearm >"violators"? Perhaps it's because what the firearm-prohibitionists = really >have their sights on isn't reducing criminal or negligent behavior! = While >Mothers Against Drunk Driving is opposed only to drunk driving, not to = all >kinds of driving, the anti-gun lobbies not only oppose gun crime, they = oppose >gun possession by law-abiding people. (Especially if those law-abiding = people >possess the gun for defense, rather than for sports.) > >Thus, the comparison between cars and guns is a phony pretext for more = gun >controls--even though honestly treating guns like cars would result in >removing many irrational gun controls. > >Because we don't treat guns like cars, America has a bunch of crazy laws = - - >laws that say the ability to defend oneself from the vicious criminals = who >prey upon society stops at the state line! While driver license = reciprocity >is a reality throughout all of the 50 states, honest citizens who choose = to >obey the law are prevented from exercising the most fundamental of all >rights--the right to protect one's family--simply because of a geographica= l >boundary. Yet the right of self-defense may be most urgently needed when = a >person is in an unfamiliar area, caught very suddenly and very unexpectedl= y, >right smack dab in the middle of one of a vacationland's unfamiliar "hot- >spots"! > >"Don't leave home without it!" It's not just the catchy ending to a = once- >familiar credit card commercial. To many honest, responsible Americans, = those >five little words are the embodiment of a painful moral dilemma. > >The Supreme Court has already ruled that the right to interstate travel = is one >of the rights of American citizenship. Just as Congress in 1964 = prevented >bigoted state governments from discriminating against interstate = travelers >because of their race, Congress should now act to prevent discrimination >against travelers who exercise their constitutional right to self-defense.= > > >Optometrist Paul Gallant is a Research Associate with the Independence >Institute, a free-market think tank in Golden, Colorado, http://i2i.org. > >Attorney David B. Kopel is the research director of the Independence = Institute >and award-winning author of several books on firearm issues. > > ****************** Firearms, self-defense, and other information, with LINKS are available at: http://shell.rmi.net/~davisda Latest additions are found in the group NEW with GOA and other alerts under the heading ALERTS. For those without browser capabilities, send [request index.txt] to davisda@rmi.net and an index of the files at this site will be e-mailed to you. 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On the Today show, Kati Couric blamed Reagan for mental health cuts that could have provide vital services to individuals like Weston. Friday July 31, 1998 (Vol. Three; No. 123)=20 =20 3) The Capitol shooting: It*s Reagan*s fault. NBC*s Katie Couric=20 tied it to mental health budget cuts begun in the Reagan years. =20 Capitol shooting: It*s Reagan*s fault. As sure as sunrise=20 follows sunset, whenever anything bad happens that someone can=20 tie to federal spending eventually a member of the media will=20 blame it on Ronald Reagan. Now that Bryant Gumbel is no longer o=20 TV everyday and the CBS brass has reigned him in on his CBS show=20 it took a bit longer than usual this time, but five days after=20 the shooting NBC*s Today and Katie Couric came through. =20 In the second half hour on Wednesday, July 29, Kelly=20 O*Donnell provided a set-up piece on schizophrenia and how=20 "Russell Weston Jr. is among an estimated two and a half million=20 Americans who have this chronic mental disorder which often=20 involves delusions and in extreme cases can lead to violence."=20 Observing that John Hinkley and the Unabomber were=20 schizophrenic, O*Donnell wondered: "Could any of it have been=20 prevented? Did the mental health system do enough?" =20 Dr. Dave Davis, forensic psychiatrist: "The problem is with=20 monitoring these people that there*s no way to monitor them or=20 keep up with them because they*re free to not be treated." O*Donnell: "Free of the forced commitment to institutions=20 that was common a generation ago. During the Reagan era federal=20 spending for mental health dropped about 25 percent. Funding has=20 continued to go down ever since. Today as many as half of the=20 homeless are believed to be the untreated mentally ill." =20 In the segment O*Donnell set up Katie Couric questioned two=20 psychologists. Her final inquiry, as transcribed by MRC analyst=20 Geoffrey Dickens: "Quickly, we*re almost out of time, but it seems to me that=20 money is an issue. That funding was cut 25 percent during the=20 Reagan administration. It*s gone down ever since. Don*t we need=20 to funnel more money into helping these people? The fact that=20 half of the homeless population may be untreated mentally ill is=20 a real tragedy don*t you think Dr. Bernstein?" =20 Of course, it was really liberals who pushed through laws=20 in the late *70s making it much harder for states to=20 involuntarily commit the mental ill. With fewer patients to care=20 for funding naturally fell. But the shooting is the=20 responsibility of the one man who pulled the trigger. -- Brent Baker David Adams NRA-ILA-EVC, VA 7th NRA Second Amendment Task Force Member wingedmonkey@compuserve.com http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/8358/ ****Owning a firearm is a RIGHT, not a privilege**** The NRA ILA EVC closed mailing list is NOT an=20 official list of the NRA, but is offered as=20 a tool by Jim Kendall (WA-1st District EVC) and Telebyte NW. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send an email request to=20 NRA-1st@telebyte.com *********** Victory 1998! *************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:24:48 -0600 From: "David Sagers" Subject: Fwd: School House Hype Received: from wvc ([204.246.130.34]) by icarus.ci.west-valley.ut.us; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:30:04 -0600 Received: from fs1.mainstream.net by wvc (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA00325; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:18:49 -0600 Received: (from smap@localhost) by fs1.mainstream.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id WAA03619; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1) by fs1.mainstream.net via smap (V1.3) id sma003445; Thu Jul 30 22:26:58 1998 Message-Id: <199807310207.VAA04718@monarch.papillion.ne.us> Errors-To: listproc@mainstream.com Reply-To: mriddle@monarch.papillion.ne.us Originator: noban@mainstream.net Sender: noban@Mainstream.net Precedence: bulk From: "Mike Riddle" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: School House Hype X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Anti-Gun-Ban list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Tanya: Surf to and follow the links.=20 The "Justice Policy Institute," a part of the "Center for Juvenile and=20 Criminal Justice," just released a report on "School House Hype: School=20 Shootings and the Real Risks Kids Face in America." The report might not be so bad, but they have a page on "School House=20 Hope" that's full of links to gun control programs. They also have a=20 with the offer: "Send us the best prevention program link you know of, and we'll make=20 part of our hope page." May I suggest that you (and anyone cc'd on this message that might be = so=20 inclined) send them *lots* of information on Eddie Eagle? (Note to=20 cc's: be respectful, not vengeful, or we'll achieve the wrong purpose.) Respectfully, Mike Life Member, NRA - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 06:51:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: Reno urges lawyers to fight guns - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 07:42:09 -0400 From: E Pluribus Unum A note to Ms. Reno, If American citizens did not feel the need to protect themselves from your thugs, perhaps we would not so urgently feel the need to posses and know how to use guns? But, as you have already shown us, we must continue to be prepared to protect ourselves against violence perpetrated on us by "our own" government. As long as this continues, all efforts to restrict sale and possession of firearms will meet with very heavy resistance. Perhaps you folks are the ones who should disarm? Liberty Belle ******************************************************* Politics Updated 7:35 PM ET August 3, 1998 Reno urges lawyers to fight gun violence By Gail Appleson, Law Correspondent TORONTO (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno said Monday that reducing gun-related injuries and deaths must become a priority in the United States and that lawyers should play a key role in fighting such violence. "The bottom line is that lawyers can change our country's attitude about guns. We can do so much to end gun violence and if we really work hard at it ... we can end the culture of violence in this nation," she said in a speech to the American Bar Association annual meeting here. The ABA occasionally meets in Toronto because U.S. and Canadian lawyers have overlapping legal interests. "In the five years from 1992 through 1996, the city in which we are meeting, Toronto, experienced exactly 100 gun homicides. Chicago, an American city of comparable size, had 3,063 gun homicides," she said. Reno said that about 100 people die every day in the United States due to guns, roughly about the same mortality rate as Americans with AIDS. "We do not have to be the most violent nation in the world," she said. Following Reno's speech, the ABA's policy-making body, its House of Delegates, passed a resolution supporting a comprehensive approach to address gun violence by young people. This would include supporting school-based peer mediation programs, prevention and education programs; increased efforts to enforce laws to prevent unauthorized or illegal access to firearms by minors and enactment of laws that emphasize adult responsibility. Reno said that lawyers have been on the forefront in the fight against domestic violence and they can do the same when it comes to guns. "Let us create a new frontier for lawyers to show again what they can do," she said, praising the ABA resolution. "We've got to cut through the rhetoric that clouds this issue day after day. Lawyers can lead the way in doing that." She suggested lawyers urge their governors and state legislators to pass laws that impose criminal penalties on adults who store guns in ways that are accessible to children. Lawyers can also work with mayors and city councils to pass local gun ordinances to reduce the availability and accessibility of guns, Reno said. Bar associations can also work with local schools to teach peer mediation or conflict resolution programs for children so that they will learn how to resolve their problems without resorting to violence, she suggested. She said lawyers have to help teach children that guns really do kill people. "They are not status symbols, they are not glamorous and they are not the right way to resolve conflicts," Reno said. - -- ******************************************************* E Pluribus Unum The Central Ohio Patriot Group P.O. Box 791 Eventline/Voicemail: (614) 823-8499 Grove City, OH 43123 Meetings: Monday Evenings, 7:30pm, Ryan's Steakhouse 3635 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (just East of Sawmill Rd.) http://www.infinet.com/~eplurib eplurib@infinet.com ******************************************************* - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 13:05:37 -0600 From: "David Sagers" Subject: Fwd: Re: Heads Up on Clinton's Troubles Received: from wvc ([204.246.130.34]) by icarus.ci.west-valley.ut.us; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:00:42 -0600 Received: from fs1.mainstream.net by wvc (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03949; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:49:28 -0600 Received: (from smap@localhost) by fs1.mainstream.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id MAA15394; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1) by fs1.mainstream.net via smap (V1.3) id sma015153; Tue Aug 4 12:56:01 1998 Message-Id: Errors-To: listproc@mainstream.com Reply-To: TSBench@aol.com Originator: noban@mainstream.net Sender: noban@Mainstream.net Precedence: bulk From: TSBench@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Heads Up on Clinton's Troubles X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Anti-Gun-Ban list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Just to let you know, but ............. The Democratic National Committee is making the rounds, calling radio = stations all over the country trying to put together a media blitz for this = Thursday with spokespeople talking about the "economy." My station is just a 1000 watter in the Massachusetts boonies and my news director recieved a 'personal call' from Steve Grossman, the Chairman of = the DNC, looking to book an AM Drive time appearance. Massachusetts was = Clinton's biggest state in the last election (beating Dole 2-1.)=20 When my newsie called back to confirm, he mentioned to a DNC gofer that = "you must be in deep shit to be pressing on this bullshit." The gofer replied, = "if you only knew" and hung up. Hope springs eternal. Regards, TSB - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 98 08:02:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: World views U.S. as foolish for lack of gun ban - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 01:04:31 -0700 From: American Patriot Friends Network To: "\"APFN\"" http://www.azstarnet.com/public/dnews/0804cv3.html World views U.S. as foolish for lack of gun ban By Bonnie Erbe It's fascinating to watch an American crisis from an international perspective. It's particularly fascinating when the topic is yet another murder spree by an American madman with a weapon. I was in London recently when a British TV network aired a report from Washington on Russell Weston Jr.'s alleged murder of two Capitol police officers and wounding of a bystander. The first minute or so of the report outlined the facts as known at that early stage of the event. Then the reporter cut to a statement by House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., and then to a teary-eyed House Whip Tom DeLay, R-Texas, paying homage to the dead officers. When the reporter appeared on-camera, he said: ``Remarkably, since this event took place there has been no talk of gun control by any high-level United States official.'' He went on to chronicle the now-long list of shooting sprees Americans have endured in recent times, including four major shootings at public schools in the past year and countless more ``minor'' ones where only one or two children have been murdered. And he reflected the view of his incredulous audience that American society would tolerate so much violence - to the point where ``going postal'' has become a universally understood addition to American jargon - - without widespread calls for some sort of regulatory action. In England, national gun control has been a reality since the turn of the century. Strict national controls banning most gun ownership later took effect in 1920. Even today in central London bobbies patrol with sticks and handcuffs but no firearms - an inconceivable thought to Americans whose officers must be armed to kill. The U.S. gun lobby spends huge sums of money trying to persuade the public and Congress that gun ownership and crime rates are unrelated. They champion the claim that controlling (or, perish the thought, banning) gun ownership on the national level would have no impact on our crime rate, nor on the doings of Russell Weston Jr. and his ilk. But statistics simply do not bear that out. No one knows for sure what impact strict national gun control would have on the American crime rate, since it's never been in effect. Banning ownership might not eliminate homicide or murder sprees. But it would certainly cause a remarkable drop in homicide and violent crime rates. According to World Health Organization figures, between 1982-88, the U.S. homicide rate (8.8 per 100,000) was roughly 12 times that of England and Wales (0.7). Those figures (the 12-to-1 ratio) correlate quite closely with gun ownership rates in the respective countries. An international victimization survey cited in ``Experiences of Crime Across the World'' (1991) showed weapons ownership at 48.9 percent among Americans and 4.7 percent in England and Wales. The National Center for Policy Analysis, a pro-gun lobby group with offices in Washington, D.C., and Dallas, Texas, boasts on its Web site that gun ownership and homicide rates are unrelated. It touts, for example, an extremely high murder rate in Northern Ireland (7 in 1989, compared with the American rate of 8.8 I cite above in the previous year). But let's remember that Northern Ireland was until last month in the middle of a civil sectarian war. And its murder rate was still lower than ours. These are not statistics a rational person would cite seriously. The center also argues that America has had federal gun controls in effect since 1968. But every informed American knows gun control is primarily a matter of state law. In my home state of Virginia, lawmakers debated a law limiting weapons purchases to ``one a month'' not too long ago. Until we have real federal gun laws, state regulations are so patchwork they are largely useless. It's depressing, but not surprising, that even the shooting spree at the Capitol will not prompt a serious dialogue on major, national gun control. It should be noted, however, that in the eyes of most Western nations we look like fools who suffer our own ignorance gladly. Bonnie Erbe, host of the PBS program ``To the Contrary,'' writes this column for Scripps Howard News Service. A robber driving down the street looking for a house to rob, he drives by the first house that has a sitcker in the window that says; "I don't dial 911" - under is a Colt 45. The next house has a sticker and it says; "Support Gun Control" - under is a Colt 45 with an X. Which house got robbed? UNITED NATIONS GUN CONTROL http://www.un.org/Depts/dda/Firstcom/SGreport52/a52298.html http://www.un.org/Depts/dda/Firstcom/SGreport52/a52229.html http://www.un.org/Depts/dda/Firstcom/SGreport52/a52264.html UN - DISARM AMERICA STATE DEPT 7277 http://harvest-trust.org/7277.htm +++ GUN CONTROL - 2ND AMENDMENT +++ JPFO http://www.jpfo.org Dial 911 and DIE ! http://www.jpfo.org/Dial911.htm GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA http://www.gunowners.org American Patriot Friends Network (APFN) APFN EMAIL LIST SUBSCRIBE/UNSCBSCRIBE IN SUBJECT LINE TO APFN@netbox.com APFN ONELIST: http://www.onelist/subscribe.cgi/apfn http://www.esotericworldnews.com/apfncont.htm http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/apfn/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:08:42 -0600 From: "David Sagers" Subject: Fwd: White House Death Threats Received: from vader.thnet.com ([206.98.115.1]) by icarus.ci.west-valley.ut.us; Wed, 05 Aug 1998 06:11:32 -0600 Received: from bruce8.thnet.com (bruce8.thnet.com [206.98.115.108]) by vader.thnet.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA01804; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:59:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199808051159.GAA01804@vader.thnet.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Distribution" Organization: The Vigo Examiner To: Distribution@vader.thnet.com Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:49:24 +0000 Subject: White House Death Threats Reply-to: Distribution@Vigo-Examiner.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline White House Death Threats Linda Tripp Goes Where Reporters Fear to Tread By Carl Limbacher The Washington Weekly OYSTER BAY -- On Wednesday, a visibly shaken Linda Tripp took to the microphones to speak out after seven long months of being portrayed in the press as a betrayer, manipulator and all around bad person. Fresh from her final appearance before Ken Starr's Washington grand jury, Tripp talked about herself, her motives and most importantly, the dirty little secret the national media has kept from the American public for six years: "As a result of trying to earn a living, I became aware between 1993 and 1997 of actions by high government officials that may have been against = the law. For that period of nearly five years, the things I witnessed concerning several different subjects made me increasingly fearful that this information was dangerous, very dangerous, to possess." Just what kind of danger was Ms. Tripp talking about? As a political appointee, no doubt her honest testimony about "several different = subjects" could be hazardous to her career. But Tripp had other reasons to be concerned - as the press has known for months. Still, journalists have refused to report on the subject in any way that might cause appropriate alarm. During a May 26 appearance on Larry King Live, Tripp's lawyer, Anthony Zaccagnini, was asked why Tripp was sequestered in an FBI "safe house" early on in the Lewinsky investigation. Zaccagnini replied: "Linda Tripp was the subject of a lot of press scrutiny and there were some threats = made against her life." For that reason, he said, the FBI in conjunction with Starr's office "decided to move her to a secure location." Later on in the King interview,= Zaccagnini said that Tripp feared losing her job and felt threatened by another "danger" that he was not at liberty to discuss. The day after Tripp's attorney revealed the stunning news that Ken Starr's key cooperating witness had been the target of death threats, not a single American news outlet dared report the story. Only the British wire service Reuters carried the news. Their headline, "Linda Tripp faced death threats, lawyer says" made it = hard to miss this bombshell, but somehow our media managed the trick. What's worse, this wasn't the first indication that Tripp may have been = the target of a White House campaign to intimidate her through threats of physical violence. In their March 23 issue, Newsweek buried this little tidbit: According to a source familiar with Tripp's account, the president would = be "extremely upset" if Tripp were to contradict him about (Clinton gropee Kathleen) Willey, (Monica) Lewinsky told Tripp. Lewinsky said that the president expected Tripp to be a team player. "He feels you screwed him in the (previous) Newsweek article," Lewinsky allegedly said. Tripp should know, Lewinsky warned, that both Linda and her children were "in danger" = if she didn't testify the right way about the Willey episode. There's the "D" word again, this time emanating, allegedly, from the president himself via Monica Lewinsky. In a column that began causing a stir on the internet and talk radio on Friday (though not slated to appear till Monday) Fox newsman Tony Snow reports this White House shocker under the headline "The Threat to Linda Tripp." But this bombshell only seems new because the story failed to set off media smoke alarms when they first got wind of it. Newsweek headlined their March 23 report, "What Made Linda Do it?" -- as if somehow she was the one who had issued a death threat. The same Newsweek story said Tripp has told co-workers that her problems = at the White House began because, "I knew too much about Whitewater." Whitewater for Tripp was Vincent Foster's death, and what she'd witnessed inside the White House as aides mounted a cover-up. Tripp's confidante, Lucianne Goldberg told a New York radio audience last week that Tripp = knows more about the Foster case than she's told so far, because, says Goldberg, investigators "didn't ask Linda the right questions." Rather than inquire as to just what it is that Ms. Tripp knows, and why that knowledge has put her in danger, journalists prefer to raise = questions about her motives for taping Lewinsky -- an alleged sin now elevated by pundits to the status of a war crime. But if the press really thinks the burning questions here have to do with Tripp's motivation, then they might consult another witness with her own famous tapes, who minces no words about why she made them. Gennifer = Flowers was grilled by Fox newswoman Penny Crone on New York radio over a year = ago. Like Newsweek, Crone was perturbed by the surreptitious recording of presidents and their paramours: CRONE: Isn't it kind of crummy to make tapes when you're having an affair with the guy? FLOWERS: I made the tapes to protect myself because some very scary things were going on. I was getting threats on the telephone. CRONE: What kind of threats? Were they saying they were going to kill you? FLOWERS: Yes, I had some saying I was going to get beaten up. I had some saying I was going to be killed. When asked to name names, Flowers implied that these threats were anonymous. But she did reveal that "Democratic operatives intimated that there would be some problems and that I would not be in a secure situation." CRONE: Do you think President Clinton was behind this? FLOWERS: What I thought was -- after my home was ransacked, that he was behind that. (WABC Talk Radio, 7/3/97) This blockbuster news received no coverage, though the New York Post did report Flowers' response to Crone's query about whether Clinton was well endowed. Though perhaps relevant at the time to Paula Jones' "distinguishing characteristic" claim, this news pales in importance next to information suggesting that someone had engineered a campaign of violence to intimidate witnesses on Clinton's behalf. Still, even when Flowers repeated her version of the threats she faced to Larry King, no = one in the press reported it. Tripp's experience mirrors that of Flowers' in another important way. Flowers, like Tripp, was urged to lie to protect Bill Clinton -- not = merely to the press, but under oath. Flowers was worried about her state job. She was about to be grilled by the Arkansas State Labor Grievance Committee over a complaint filed by Charlette Perry, a qualified African American in line for a promotion, whom Clinton ordered bumped to open a slot for his unqualified girlfriend. Flowers' famous tapes catch Clinton blatantly suborning perjury: FLOWERS: The only thing that concerns me, where I'm concerned at this point, is the state job. CLINTON: Yeah, I never thought about that. But as long as you say you'd just been looking for one -- if they ever ask you if you talked to me = about it, you can say no. In the midst of Monica-mania, the press behaves as if they don't know = about Clinton's pattern of obstructing justice -- proven six years ago by Gennifer Flowers' smoking gun tapes. But it's Clinton's pattern of witness intimidation that should scare the daylights out of every American. And that pattern would no doubt put a severe crimp in those sky-high presidential approval ratings if the media began calling attention to the terrorist tactics employed against so many who cross this president. Just a month before Linda Tripp went public about her own "dangerous" predicament, Kathleen Willey reported that her property had been vandalized= - - after which a stranger approached her, invoked the names of her children and then said, "I hope you're getting the message?" No doubt this was a bone chilling experience for the widowed Ms. Willey, especially after she had exposed the president on "60 Minutes" as a crude sexual predator. There were a handful of reports about the threat against Willey, but the press decided it wasn't worth raising a fuss over. The media did a similar tap dance around the case of Juanita Broaddrick, a woman uncovered by detectives working for Paula Jones. Reportedly Jones' investigators tape recorded Broaddrick as she unburdened herself about a traumatic encounter with Clinton when he was Arkansas State Attorney General, an experience that she said turned her life upside down and = caused her to flee to California. Broaddrick would not go into detail, saying she did not want to "re-live" the episode. But two network news divisions, ABC and NBC, spoke to witnesses who recounted Broaddrick's story, as told to them years ago by Broaddrick herself. Back then, according to these witnesses, Broaddrick had claimed Bill Clinton had brutally raped her. NBC's Lisa Myers actually interviewed the nurse who had treated Broaddrick's swollen lips after the attack. ABC identified that nurse as Norma Rogers, and named another witness to whom Broaddrick had confided. Broaddrick hastily issued an affidavit recanting her allegation. But questions remain as to why she changed her story. Nevertheless, the media played dumb. Instead of running down an obviously substantial story, the press blamed attorneys for Paula Jones for leaking such a scurrilous charge. According to the London Telegraph (3/30/98), Ken Starr has subpoenaed all relevant evidence gathered by investigators on = the Broaddrick case, in an effort to determine if Juanita Broaddrick has been silenced by the Clinton attack machine. The list of Clinton scandal witnesses who claim to have been approached by operatives bearing bribes and/or threats is astonishingly long, and promises to grow longer as journalists ignore the phenomenon. Dolly Kyle Browning, a Dallas lawyer who claims a thirty year on-and-off sexual relationship with Clinton, says word was sent via her brother from Clinton consigliere Bruce Lindsey, who warned that the White House would "destroy" her if she didn't keep quiet. Columnist Snow reports in his upcoming piece that Lindsey told Linda Tripp he'd do the same thing to her. Former Clinton girlfriend Sally Perdue says a Clinton operative threatened to break her legs if she didn't lay low during Clinton's first bid for the presidency. Arkansas State Trooper Roger Perry has claimed that he was threatened with physical harm by Trooper Chief Raymond "Buddy" Young unless he kept quiet about what he knew. (In Dec. 1993, Young was captured on an ABC News video taking orders on Troopergate damage control from none other than Bruce Lindsey.) The late James McDougal, who first revealed the Clintons' Whitewater shenanigans to the New York Times, was tape recorded as he told a local Arkansas politico that he could sink the Clintons on Whitewater - "if I could get into a position where I wouldn't get my head beaten off." = Despite McDougal's quote, the mainstream press refuses to report allegations by eyewitnesses that suggest his death earlier this year in a federal prison was a result of mistreatment. Like Tripp, key Whitewater witness David Hale has been threatened by state Democrats with prosecution after cooperating with Ken Starr. Hale told the Associated Press last year that attempts had been made to both bribe and threaten him into silence. And like Tripp, federal prosecutors decided = that Hale needed the protection of an FBI "safe house" while preparing to testify. Another trooper, L.D. Brown, says someone approached him during a recent business trip to England and offered $100,000 to tailor his Whitewater story. Gennifer Flowers' onetime neighbor, Gary Johnson has alleged that he was beaten and left for dead after goons he suspected were sent by Clinton stole videotaped evidence of Clinton's relationship with Flowers. New Republic writer L. J. Davis says he was knocked unconscious in a Little Rock hotel room while researching a story on the Rose Law Firm, after = which he discovered a portion of his notes were missing. All these folks have two things in common. They are still, with the exception of McDougal, very much alive and available to be debriefed by reporters who should be desperately curious about all this. The second similarity they share is that the prestige American press refuses to put their stories in context; to connect the dots, for fear the public will draw the obvious conclusion. As Linda Tripp trembled before the microphones last week, she conjured up visions of another traumatized witness who testified before Starr's grand jury last winter. Betty Currie, the president's personal secretary, looked like a freight train had just hit her, as she cowered amidst a throng of reporters after emerging from her first day of testimony. And in the context of all of the above, common sense suggests that she may have been leaned on like so many witnesses trampled by the Clinton machine before her. Currie had lost a brother in a bizarre car accident that left even local investigators puzzled. Theodore Williams had survived the initial crash, only to dart back onto a Virginia highway on foot -- into the path of an = 18 wheeler (The Richmond Times Dispatch, 12/17/97). The death came around the same time Monica Lewinsky was advised by Clinton to return the gifts he gave her (incriminating evidence of their relationship) to Mrs. Currie. Lewinsky has already informed Starr about this episode of Clinton evidence tampering. If Currie corroborates her account, the Clinton presidency is toast. That wasn't the first time in recent months tragedy had struck the Currie family. Another brother had been severely beaten and hospitalized on the eve of Mrs. Currie's August 1997 testimony before the Thompson Committee. After the beating, White House lawyers advised Currie to postpone her testimony (The Oregonian, 1/28/98). Neither the car accident nor the beating seems connected in any way to Currie's role as a crucial witness -- except through the incredibly coincidental timing. But this much is clear. If there is any connection between Betty Currie's twin tragedies and testimony that the White House knows could be legally fatal for the president, America's mainstream media won't uncover it. Because, as with the death threats against Linda Tripp, our journalists = are loathe to expose their own role as accomplices who stood by silently as Bill Clinton wreaked havoc on the American justice system. A Representative of the People Interview With Rep. James Traficant, D-OH. "We need to tone down our governments, against Linda Tripp, our journalists= are loathe to expose their own role as accomplices who stood by silently = as Bill Clinton wreaked havoc on the American justice system. [LISTEN TO "CARL OF OYSTER BAY" LIVE ON THE INTERNET this Thursday, 6:00-8:00 PM EDT. Carl Limbacher is co-hosting on John Sipos', My Town Tampa Bay, heard daily along Florida's Gulf Coast. Listen in RealAudio at: http://www.broadcast.com/radio/news/whnz/ ] Published in the Aug. 3, 1998 issue of The Washington Weekly Copyright = 1998 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) Reposting permitted with this message intact - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= http://www.Vigo-Examiner.com TEXT VERSION Enjoy a free 90 day trial subscription to The Vigo Examiner. 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