From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #120 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Tuesday, January 19 1999 Volume 02 : Number 120 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:13:36 -0700 From: chardy@ES.COM (Charles Hardy) Subject: [Vin_Suprynowicz@lvrj.com: Jan. 8 column -- police raids] - ----BEGIN FORWARDED MESSGE---- FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED JAN. 8, 1999 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Raiding the First Amendment Washoe County sheriff's deputies armed with search warrants raided the three major television stations and the daily newspaper in Reno, Nevada Jan. 6, seeking reporters' notes and copies of videotaped interviews with a man accused of sniping at motorists on Interstate 80. The alleged sniper, Christopher Lee Merritt of Mankato, Minn., was arrested near Las Vegas Monday night, about 12 hours after allegedly shooting one man in the chest (he survives though in serious condition) and hitting five other vehicles on the outskirts of Reno. Once returned to Reno and jailed, Merritt agreed to television and newspaper interviews -- promptly broadcast -- in which he appeared to confess to the shootings. KTVN-TV News Director Ed Pearce said he was surprised and puzzled by District Attorney Richard Gammick's raids. "Our feeling is it's an illegal warrant," Pearce told the Associated Press. "It violates the federal privacy protection act of 1980." Reno Gazette-Journal Publisher Sue Clark-Johnson and Executive Editor Ward Bushee, who at one point were threatened with arrest, agreed to lock their reporter's notes in the publisher's office until a subpoena was issued. Prosecutor Gammick said he sent his men with search warrants rather than subpoenas since subpoenas can't properly be issued until a court date is set. The prosecutor further argued similar television interviews had been erased in the past before his office was able to review them, despite his request that the footage be retained until they could be subpoenaed. But that's a pretty thin excuse for sending storm troopers to trample the First Amendment in all the town's major newsrooms -- especially in the same jurisdiction where newspaper photographers were arrested last year for merely photographing police making arrests during revelry related to Reno's annual classic-car festival. This prosecutor's actions appear excessive, out of control, and vindictive. Yes, authorities have some responsibility to secure any relevant evidence. But a less strong-arm, constitutional request to certify the accuracy of the reports printed or broadcast should have sufficed. Besides, aren't conversations in the visitors' room of the Washoe County jail -- where the tapes and notes in question were made -- already routinely taped by the authorities? Thomas Jefferson famously wrote: "Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter." That is not to say the press is ever perfect, nor that it should be above the law. But when reporters become known as nothing but surrogates for police investigators, then the newspapers will have ceased to be the independent organs of inquiry and oversight which the founders struggled so mightily to preserve -- and for which the press shield laws were enacted in the first place. Of separate concern is the way in which young Mr. Merritt -- who still deserves a legal presumption of innocence, of course -- was apprehended. In a program of random stops for minuscule moving violations which are justified as promoting "drug interdiction" -- that is to say, which are used to justify unconstitutional vehicle searches under false pretenses -- Merritt's truck was pulled over by police north of Las Vegas because the light bulb meant to illuminate the license plate was out. Police saw rifles in the car, and proceeded from there. Now, self-professed student of astrophysics Mr. Merritt appears to be a couple of stars short of a cluster. In his confession interview, he related his actions to the movie "Pulp Fiction" as follows: "Nobody seems to have a problem about two hit men killing people, possibly because it's fictionalized, I don't know. There's not a whole lot of difference between contemplating an act and actually going through with it. If you've already thought about it, that's almost close enough to taking action." (Hmm, let me think: where is this surreal doctrine most commonly advanced, today? In the government schools, perhaps, where voicing violent or sexist ideas is considered just as serious an offense as palpable harassment or discrimination; where "a good try" now receives the same passing grade as a correct answer; and where the merits of sorting lunchroom glass from cardboard are promoted -- even though the janitor later throws it all into the same dumpster -- since what's important is not the actual result, but simply demonstrating one's good intentions?) So it's certainly possible this Gomer's answers to police -- as well as the fact the truck turned out to be stolen -- constituted proper grounds for an arrest. But when Washoe County Sheriff Richard Kirkland gloats, "I overheard some talk radio show the other night lambasting law enforcement for stopping people for having lights out on their license plates. So there," he misses the point by a mile. Of course random stops will catch a few more criminals -- while only stomping on the privacy rights of a few thousand innocent souls for each culprit nabbed. But by the same token, imagine how many more offenses might be turned up if the cops just took to breaking in the front doors of private homes, at random. The point is that America is not supposed to be the most efficient police state possible, but rather a land where personal liberties are always weighed against the convenience of the authorities ... and personal liberties generally granted the upper hand. It's a shame neither Sheriff Kirkland nor prosecutor Gammick seems to understand that. Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin@lvrj.com. The web sites for the Suprynowicz column are at http://www.infomagic.com/liberty/vinyard.htm, and http://www.nguworld.com/vindex. The column is syndicated in the United States and Canada via Mountain Media Syndications, P.O. Box 4422, Las Vegas Nev. 89127. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. -- John Hay, 1872 The most difficult struggle of all is the one within ourselves. Let us not get accustomed and adjusted to these conditions. The one who adjusts ceases to discriminate between good and evil. He becomes a slave in body and soul. Whatever may happen to you, remember always: Don't adjust! Revolt against the reality! -- Mordechai Anielewicz, Warsaw, 1943 * * * - ----END FORWARDED MESSAGE---- - -- Charles C. Hardy | If my employer has an opinion on | these things I'm fairly certain 801.588.7200 (work) | I'm not the one he'd have express it. "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:38:23 -0700 From: "David Sagers" Subject: Fwd: GSL> Citizen's Protection Act of 1998 (fwd) Received: from wvc ([204.246.130.34]) by icarus.ci.west-valley.ut.us; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:28:31 -0700 Received: from listbox.com by wvc (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA20989; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:14:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 21238 invoked by uid 516); 13 Jan 1999 15:25:50 -0000 Delivered-To: rkba-co@majordomo.pobox.com Received: (qmail 21098 invoked from network); 13 Jan 1999 15:25:37 -0000 Received: from chai.pobox.com (208.210.124.35) by majordomo.pobox.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 1999 15:25:36 -0000 Received: from mg2.rockymtn.net (mailserv.rockymtn.net [166.93.205.12]) by chai.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for id 7EC8D110F; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 166-93-76-68.rmi.net (166-93-76-68.rmi.net [166.93.76.68]) by mg2.rockymtn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA21621; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:11:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199901131511.IAA21621@mg2.rockymtn.net> X-Sender: davisda@shell.rmi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:12:23 -0700 To: davisda@rmii.com From: Russel long (by way of Douglas Davis ) Subject: GSL> Citizen's Protection Act of 1998 (fwd) Sender: owner-rkba-co.new@majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rkba-co@majordomo.pobox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Posted to rkba-co by Russel long (by way of Douglas = Davis ) - ----------------------- http://thePentagon.com/FullBookJacket ------------ http://GunsSaveLives.com= - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ---- Russ =20 russ45@primenet.com & russ357@juno.com =20 Criminals are exempt from gun registration and licensing. U.S. Supreem Court, Haynes vs: United States, 1968. Impeach President Klinton, and Bill too. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ---- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:15:25 EST From: RichSlick@aol.com Subject: Citizen's Protection Act of 1998 Subj: Freedom oriented Bill-Citizen's Protection Act of 1998 Date: 98-12-28 11:46:35 EST From: pokrface@itw.com (Poker Face) To: webpokerdude@hotmail.com (1George Washington) dear friends this piece of legislation needs our help. it will help level the playing field with the prosecution and try (i say try) to keep them honest in their pursuit of justice. please forward this email far wnad wide. hope everyone had a great Christmas and have a safe new year. paul topete http://www.pokerface.com/freedom.htm - -------------------- X-POP3-Rcpt: paul@ns1 Return-Path: MTaylor603@aol.com Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by ns1.21h.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23142 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:11:16 -0500 From: MTaylor603@aol.com Friends, STOP Federal Prosecutorial Tyranny Call your Reps! If you have never done it before,=20 CALL THEM ON THIS ONE! MAKE THE TIME! Pass this on to everyone you know! It is time to reign=20 in the over zealous morons who think THEY are in charge=20 and show them that WE THE PEOPLE are in charge!=20 Just do it! Please follow the: Citizen's Protection Act of 1998 as it passes through = the Congressional Hearings and Committees this winter. My sources tell me it = is that it is being watered down by the Senate. The Act is HR 3396 and is also referred to as The McDade-Murtha Bill and = The Citizens Protections Act of 1998. It was attached to the Appropriations = Bill and passed along with that Bill in August.=20 Fortunately, it's sponsers also retained the Bill as HR 3396 and it is = passing along as HR3396 with Congressional Hearings In the Appropriations Bill it is attached as Title 8. This is one of the = best kept secrets of the year. How many of you have read about it in your newspaper? This bill under attack and is opposed by: 1) The Department of Justice 2) The FBI 3) The National Director of Drug Control Policy 4) The Faternal Order of Police 5) National District Attorney's Association 6) National Association of U. S. Attorney Generals 7) many former members of the above associations who are now members of = the House of Representratives. 8) The National Sherrif's Associaiton This Citizen's Protection Act was historically argued on the floor of the House of Representatives for 3 hours on August 5, 1998. This act proposes to limit Federal Prosecutors by telling them: 1) Don't lie to the Court! 2) Don't withhold exculpatory evidence!=20 3) Don't intimidate witnesses or color his testimony! 4) Don't leak information! (How many lives/families/careers have been = ruined by this unethical tactic of the Department of Justice?) 5) Don't buy testimony! 6) Don't offer leniency for testimony! THIS IS A HISTORIC BILL WHICH NEEDS TO BE GUARDED AND PROTECTED BY ANYONE = AND EVERYONE WHO CAN FIND THE TIME TO CALL THEIR SENATOR OR REPRESENTATIVE. IT = WAS CO-SPONSORED BY NEARLY 200 MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE. Unfortunately, we know all too well what can happen to an important bill = with this many National Associations lobbying against it! Dianna Joyce Roberts, Former Candidate, for Chair of the=20 Board of County Commissioners, Multnomah County Portland, Oregon=20 P.S. Use the following toll-free numbers to reach any Congresscritter. Call not only your own, call as many of them that you can. Use this web site to locate any Congresscritter. http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ 1-800-343-3222 Type in the your zip code and be connected to your Congresscritters office free of charge. Call 1- 800-361-5222, ext 90001 which connects you to the Capitol = Switchboard, where you can request to be connected to the office of any Congresscritter.= TELEPHONE NUMBER TO CONGRESS: 1-800-335-4949 ask operator for your Congresscritter God bless the Republic Death to the New World Order We shall prevail The Empire is on the run We are on the march Sincerely, David E. Parsons Denver,CO Home Page http://members.tripod.com/~DAVIDPARSONS/index.html - -------------------------- GunsSaveLives Internet Discussion List This list is governed by an acceptable use policy: http://www.wizard.net/~kc/policy.html or available upon request. To unsubscribe send a message to majordomo@listbox.com with the following line in the body: unsubscribe gsl GUNSSAVELIVES (GSL) IS A PRIVATE UNMODERATED LIST. THE OWNER TAKES NO RESPONSIBILTY FOR CONTENT. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Somebody once said that a liberal's worst nightmare was=20 a self-employed American with a 401K pension, because he=20 didn't want anything from the government except to be left=20 alone. A self-employed person with a 401K and a concealed=20 carry permit will need the government even less. =20 ****************** Firearms, self-defense, and other information, with LINKS are available at: http://shell.rmi.net/~davisda Latest additions are found in the group NEW with alerts under the heading ALERTS. Various shareware programs are archived at: ftp://shell.rmi.net/pub2/davisda=20 ******************** For Help with Majordomo Commands, please send a message to: Majordomo@majordomo.pobox.com with the word Help in the body of the message - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:37:45 -0700 From: "S. Thompson" Subject: KSL-TV Channel 5 Eyewitness News The latest on the shootings in Salt Lake City. Please note that the alleged shooter is believed to have "a long history of psychiatric problems", which means that she couldn't legally possess a firearm, much less obtain a concealed carry permit. In other words, while tragic, this incident has absolutely nothing to do with allowing law-abiding, mentally competent people to carry firearms. But don't expect HCI, Rep. Dave Jones or KSL to recognize this distinction. Sarah Sarah Thompson, M.D. http://www.therighter.com Stop the Gun Ban! NO-lympics 2002! Check out http://www.therighter.com/nolympics And now you can link directly to the Nolympics page and join the nolympics mail list! http://www.ksl.com/dump/news/cc/tshoot.htm > Shooting at KSL & Triad Center > January 14, 1998 > > [Image] Video Report on Shooting at KSL (From Eyewitness [Image] > News Shortly After Incident Ended) > > A heavily-armed woman walked into the KSL lobby about 3:15 this > afternoon, started firing, and before she was done, two people were > injured--one in extremely critical condition. > > Join the News Specialists for all the latest developments and first > hand reports on the shooting here in the Triad Center. > > KSL Special: Eyewitness Account from a KSL Employee > > Special Statement From Eyewitness News > AP Report on Incident: > > SALT LAKE CITY -- A woman carrying a grocery bag filled with bullets > entered a television studio lobby Thursday afternoon and fired a > number of shots while making her way through the building, witnesses > said. > > Salt Lake City Police Chief Ruben Ortega said two people were > injured, one seriously, during the woman's four-floor shooting spree > at the downtown office building housing KSL television and radio > stations. > > Police took De-Kieu Duy, 24, into custody in the fourth-floor > offices of AT&T Wireless Services after company employees tackled > and disarmed her, witnesses said. Police said Duy had targeted KSL > but ended up in the AT&T offices, where her gun jammed. > > "We believe she has a long history of psychiatric problems," said > Sgt. Ken Hansen. > > AT&T employee Anne Sleater, 30, was in surgery at LDS Hospital > Thursday night. She was shot in the head and was listed in extremely > critical condition, spokesman Jess Gomez said. > > KSL building manager Brent Whiteman was shot but not seriously > injured. He was under observation at University of Utah Medical > Center. > > [Image]The incident began at about 3:15 p.m. MST when a woman wearing a > light-colored parka, a hat and shooting range ear protection entered > the KSL lobby and demanded to speak to a reporter, Video West > Productions technical engineer Dan Nestel said. > > When her request was denied, she brandished a 9 mm handgun and began > firing shots in the lobby, Nestel said. > > Nestel saw the woman shoot Whiteman while in the lobby, but > witnesses said Whiteman was only grazed by bullets. > > "She started stalking the lobby," Nestel said. "She shot Brent > bang-bang, real fast, and took off." > > KSL radio employee Mary Kammeyer entered the lobby after hearing > shots and was confronted by the woman. > > "She was saying, 'Newsroom, newsroom, where's the newsroom?"' > Kammeyer said. > > [Image]Kammeyer said she directed the woman in the opposite > direction from the newsroom and then locked the door. KSL > anchor Nadine Wimmer said the woman attempted to force her way into > the newsroom before making her way to other floors in the building. > > "She came in specifically with the intent of shooting someone at KSL > Television," Ortega said. "Her motives are not totally clear, but we > are aware of her history." > > Ortega would not elaborate. > > KSL employees evacuated the building, but the station's regular 5 > p.m. news broadcast was on the air only minutes after its scheduled > time, complete with live reports from outside its studios. > > "She made some comments that she targeted KSL because they had been > harassing her," Ortega said, but that there was no reason to believe > the station had actually been harassing her. > > Police cordoned off the block and several streets around the > building, snarling the afternoon commute. The KSL studios are one > block north of the Delta Center, the home arena of the Utah Jazz, > and three blocks west of the Mormon church's Temple Square. > > [Image] > > | KSL-TV Home Page | Main News Page | - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:50:32 -0700 From: "S. Thompson" Subject: KSL-TV Channel 5 Eyewitness News Read the following. Then imagine the scene if Mr. Wightman or Colleen or Mary Kammeyer or any of the other KSL employees in the area had been carrying a firearm. Do you think the tragic shooting of the AT&T employee would even have occurred? This is a tragedy, but one that certainly could have been mitigated, if not prevented entirely. Sarah http://www.ksl.com/dump/news/cc/whiteman.htm > [Free Appraisal] > > Eyewitness Interview > KSL Shooting > > KSL building manager Brent Wightman was one of the two [Image] > people shot by a woman with a gun Thursday afternoon. > Following is a complete interview with him, as he describes what > happened. > > I was exiting the newsroom area, and walked into the main reception > area. Colleen (main receptionist) and I were discussing something.. > for the life of me I can't remember what. > > I walked toward the main entrance and this person walked by me and > had a shawl wrapped around her. It looked a little suspicious. So I > stood-- I'm a little security minded from the old days-- so I stood > back and she was talking to Colleen. > > I heard Colleen say, 'You want to go to the reception area of news?' > and she says, 'you can't go in there.' The lady stepped back from > the reception desk and reached and brought out a gun and pointed it > right at Colleen, and told her, 'I want to go to the newsroom.' They > were four letter comments. > > She (gunwoman) became more agitated. She turned and saw people on > the second floor atrium looking out. And Colleen-- Colleen Mercy-- > was really cool. She asked her, 'What can we do to help you?' And I > asked her if she wanted to sit down and talk about it. She said, 'I > don't want to sit down.' > > I hollered up to people to call 911. I had my hands in the air. So I > was no hero, I was scared. But I was worried about Colleen. She > asked where the newsroom was, and Colleen pointed towards the > engineering area. I pointed towards the west exit doors that go > outside, because if she walked out there, she couldn't get back in. > > She was spinning around in a circle and was incoherent and talking > to the air. Somebody came out of the north entrance, and hollered to > get back. Then somebody came out of the news reception area and she > backed out. She (gunwoman)walked over and shot the carpet. > > I wasn't doing a lot of talking then, nobody was. She walked towards > [Image]the reception area again, about ten feet away, and she was wheeling > her gun, and I knew she was going to shoot me-- I don't know why. > > [Image] I turned and she nicked me on my right side twice. The > bullet never did enter my skin-- it's like two scratches. I > hugged the floor. She apparently was agitated and walked over to me. > And the only time she ever touched me, she kicked me. She kicked me > in the chest, and yelled 'f this and f that.' > > She ran over to the door to the news reception area, and put four or > five bullets through the window. I was looking, and she reached in > (through the shot-out glass) and opened the doors (to t.v. news > reception area). There are two more locked card-reader doors and she > was kicking them. > > I got up and took off. There were people that were peeking out the > door. I said, 'Let's get our behinds out of here.' And we ran out > the northwest doors. > > I wasn't hurt-- it really didn't hurt. Somebody-- an employee-- > walked me over to North Temple and then a police officer-- > Michelle-- took care of me from there. > > It's really good that Colleen wasn't hurt. She was in my prayers. I > was really worried about (the gunwoman) getting in to either side > (off the main reception area). I pray that the lady that got shot on > the fourth floor will be alright. That's really, really sad. > > When I got out, I was trying to tell everybody I was okay. But when > I ran out, I looked at the reception area. Colleen was really on my > mind and I couldn't see her. I got outside and I thought about-- her > and I had talked about if something happens, to hit the floor, and > get under the reception desk. That's apparently what she did. That > lady's past retirement, and she handled herself beautifully. > > It's almost surreal. I don't know the timing element.It seemed like > 15 minutes. It was probably really five or six minutes. > > I'm fine. Everybody pray for the lady from AT&T. She didn't do > anything to anybody. I certainly hope she pulls through. > > [Image] > > | KSL-TV Home Page | Main News Page | - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:52:01 -0700 From: "S. Thompson" Subject: Fwd: News Special on Guns & Violence Friday at 6 PM MST >To: Multiple recipients of list brassroots >From: Scott Wood >Subject: Fwd: News Special on Guns & Violence > > >>TalkSpot News will broadcast a one hour news special on Guns & Violence on >>Friday, January 15, 1999. Our show is on-line at >>http://www.talkspot.com/events/gunsAndViolence. We would love to have your >>members participate in the chat-portion of our show...and give their >>opinions. 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Does the name Bob Graham ring a bell? The Nixon Problem Clintonistas hate nothing more than being exposed for the hypocrites they are. And for that reason, even the most vociferous Clinton defenders are privately angry with him. Mr. Clinton has repeatedly forced his political syndicate to compromise their dwindling integrity in his defense. This week is no different. As the Senate begins deliberation on Mr. Clinton=B4s impeachment articles, 27 Senate Democrats are facing the =B4=B4Nixon Problem.=B4=B4 We are not referring to President Richard Nixon but to Federal Judge Walter Nixon, who was impeached in 1989 for making a =B4=B4false or misleading statement to a grand jury.=B4=B4 Sound familiar? Mr. Clinton=B4s defenders claim that lying under oath does not =B4=B4rise=B4=B4 to the level of =B4=B4high crimes and misdemeanors.=B4=B4 But 27 Senate Democrats sitting in judgment of Mr. Clinton today voted in 1989 to remove Judge Nixon from office for lying. That presents them with something of a dilemma. On Nov. 3, 1989, Democratic Sen. Herb Kohl of Wisconsin said, =B4=B4One might argue, as Judge Nixon does, that his false statements were not material. ... But Judge Nixon took an oath to tell the truth and the whole truth. As a grand jury witness, it was not for him to decide what would be material. That was for the grand jury to decide. So I am going to vote =B4guilty=B4 on articles I and II. Judge Nixon lied to the grand jury. He misled the grand jury. These acts are criminal and warrant impeachment.=B4=B4 Contacted for comment now, Mr. Kohl had =B4=B4no comment.=B4=B4 Most of the 26 other Democratic Senators who voted to impeach Judge Nixon offered =B4=B4no comment.=B4=B4 A few did respond to inquiries by the journal =B4=B4Human Events.=B4=B4 Fritz Hollings said, =B4=B4I=B4m not going to get into a discussion about 1989.=B4=B4 Ted Kennedy said, =B4=B4I=B4ll give you a comment later on.=B4=B4 Bob Kerrey said, =B4=B4Maybe.=B4=B4 John Kerry said, =B4=B4I have asked my staff for the Judge Nixon record and I haven=B4t made a judgment yet.=B4=B4 Carl Levin said, =B4=B4I=B4m going to adhere to my oath.=B4=B4 Joseph Lieberman said, =B4=B4I=B4ll have to go back and look at the standard I applied.=B4=B4 And John Breaux said, =B4=B4I think we probably will (apply the same standard).=B4=B4 There was, as you might expect, =B4=B4no comment=B4=B4 from Al Gore, who also voted to remove Judge Nixon from office. For the record, the 27 Democrats currently in the Senate who voted to remove judge Nixon are: Sen. Max Baucus of Montana, Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, Sen. Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico, Sen. John Breaux of Louisiana, Sen. Richard Bryan of Nevada, Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia, Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, Sen. Tom Daschle of South Dakota, Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa, Sen. Fritz Hollings of South Carolina, Sen. Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, Sen. Teddy Kennedy of Massachusetts, Sen. Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, Sen. Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey, Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland, Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York, Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, Sen. Chuck Robb of Virginia, Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, Sen. Paul Sarbanes of Maryland, and, of course, Sen. Herb Kohl of Wisconsin. It remains to be seen if the Clinton cadre will, once again, compromise their own oaths. It certainly may be argued that Mr. Clinton=B4s lies, by virtue of his office, are much more serious than those of Judge Nixon. On the other hand, perhaps Judge Nixon should just ask for a recount! - -- NRA\ILA Member Council of Tampa Bay Charlie Mealy 727-441-4251 Fax 727-444-4452 Web Site http://home.tampabay.rr.com/membercouncil ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to membercouncil-unsubscribe@listbot.com Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:28:06 -0700 From: "S. Thompson" Subject: WE HAVE A DREAM! WE HAVE A DREAM! We have a dream. Someday, in this great land of ours, people, including even lawyers and political activists, will come to believe character really does matter. We have a dream. We will no longer deify people who plagiarize their doctoral theses. If a man takes the title of Reverend, we'll expect him to honor at least a few of the Ten Commandments. If a married man competes with Hugh Hefner for sexual conquests, we won't feel compelled to listen to his moral wisdom. We have a dream. Someday, black churches in America will not be manipulated as institutional power bases by ambitious black men. We're starting to worry that the good reverends are using the Borgia Popes as their role models. We dream that the day will come when lawyers and politicians stop cynically using race as leverage to increase their wealth and power. We have a dream. Someday, quiet people leading lives of unheralded virtue and real productivity will be honored. Someday all people, black and white, will realize the real heroes aren't the ones giving speeches filled with bombastic rhetoric. Real heroes are quietly doing real work: building houses, writing software code, nursing the elderly, parenting the young -- the whole cornucopia of human endeavor that actually results in better lives for real people. We have a dream. Someday holidays will really matter, instead of serving as crass, meaningless tools of political correctness. People will actually give thanks on Thanksgiving. Christians will actually celebrate the birth of Christ on Christmas. New Year's Day will mean something other than recovering from a hangover and watching football on the tube. We have a dream. Someday Americans will realize there's something perverse about the idea of devoting an equal amount of time, and supposedly reverence, to: - - a single civil rights leader - - all of America's presidents including founding fathers like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson - - and the thousands of men and women who have died defending the United States in wartime. Yet we have one day for Presidents Day, one day for Memorial Day, and one day to celebrate the life of Martin Luther King, Jr. We have a dream. Although we're as sentimental as the next fool, we hope that someday we'll all realize early death does not qualify one for sainthood. Whether it be John F. Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis Presley, Princess Diana, or Martin Luther King, dying young may be the road to legend, but hardly a guarantee that the life was worth remembering, much less celebrating. Our final dream is that the day will come in America when one can criticize black cultural icons without being labeled a racist. We call this the impossible dream. - --------------- We first published this essay last year to mark the celebration of Martin Luther King Day. We plan on publishing it annually until America begins celebrating a Come-Back-to-your-Senses holiday. - ------------------------------- RAGEBACK! Tell us what you think about the celebration of MLK Day http://www.theoutrage.com/rageback/99-01-15.html#soundoff Read what others have to say: http://www.theoutrage.com/rageback/99-01-15.html#rage ************************ QUOTE OF THE DAY! I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. - -- Martin Luther King (1929-68), speech in Washington, August 27, 1963 - ------------------------------------------- Subscribing and Unsubscribing - ---------------------------- If for any reason you need to change your mailing address just unsubscribe your old mailing address and subscribe your new address. You can subscribe and unsubscribe at: http://www.athensnm.net/lists When unsubscribing, remember you must use the same address you used to sign up for the list. - ------------------------------------ Please be sure to include your e-mail address in any correspondence. Thanks for listening, and stay outraged! Copyright 1999, The Outrage - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jan 99 20:34:00 -0700 From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON) Subject: More anti-gun laws coming - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:50:15 -0500 From: Mark A. Smith Subject: More antigun laws coming Here we go again--time to write your Congressmen! To email all of Congress at once, go to: Email Congress HR 87 IH 106th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 87 To prohibit internet and mail-order sales of ammunition without a license to deal in firearms, and require licensed firearms dealers to record all sales of 1,000 rounds of ammunition to a single person. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES January 6, 1999 Mr. BLAGOJEVICH (for himself and Mr. KENNEDY of Rhode Island) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary A BILL To prohibit internet and mail-order sales of ammunition without a license to deal in firearms, and require licensed firearms dealers to record all sales of 1,000 rounds of ammunition to a single person. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. BAN ON INTERNET OR MAIL-ORDER SALE OF AMMUNITION WITHOUT A FEDERAL LICENSE TO DEAL IN FIREARMS. Section 922(a)(1) of title 18, United States Code, is amended-- (1) by striking `or' at the end of subparagraph (A); (2) by adding `or' at the end of subparagraph (B); and (3) by adding at the end the following: `(C) except a licensed dealer, to ship or transport ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce; SEC. 2. REQUIREMENT TO RECORD SALES OF MORE THAN 1,000 ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION. Section 923(g)(3)(A) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after the 1st sentence the following: `Each licensee shall prepare a report of multiple sales or other dispositions whenever the licensee sells or otherwise disposes of 1,000 or more rounds of ammunition (other than .22 caliber rimfire ammunition, shotgun shells, or primers) to the same person during 1 business day. SEC. 3. EFFECTIVE DATE. The amendments made by this Act shall apply to conduct engaged in after the 1-year period that begins with the date of the enactment of this Act. - - ------------------------------ End of utah-firearms-digest V2 #120 ***********************************