From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #175 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Sunday, January 30 2000 Volume 02 : Number 175 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:26:11 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: [Fwd: LPU: FW: War on Gun Owners] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------914F9E22651AEE88976EAF41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------914F9E22651AEE88976EAF41 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: shbergeson@mail-slkc.uswest.net Received: (qmail 61328 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 2000 23:06:26 -0000 Received: from mail2.uswest.net (204.147.80.18) by slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 23:06:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 20725 invoked by alias); 26 Jan 2000 23:06:22 -0000 Delivered-To: shbergeson@uswest.net Received: (qmail 20618 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 2000 23:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.qsicorp.com) (207.173.106.20) by mail2.uswest.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 23:06:20 -0000 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.qsicorp.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id QAA06317 for lputah-list; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:03:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.qsicorp.com: majordomo set sender to owner-lputah@mail.qsicorp.com using -f Received: from mail.inconnect.com (mail.inconnect.com [209.140.64.7]) by mail.qsicorp.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA06314 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:03:47 -0700 Message-Id: <200001262303.QAA06314@mail.qsicorp.com> Received: (qmail 12833 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2000 23:03:46 -0000 Received: from 1-90.dialup.inconnect.com. (HELO ?209.140.67.89?) (209.140.67.89) by mail with SMTP; 26 Jan 2000 23:03:46 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:03:44 -0700 Subject: LPU: FW: War on Gun Owners From: "Jim Dexter" To: LPUtah Forum Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-lputah@qsicorp.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lputah@qsicorp.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 More ammo - ---------- The Constitutional right to keep and bear arms--as well as the rule of law itself--is under attack from gun control laws and lawsuits from the states and cities. Here are four documents available as PDF files on Heartland's Web site or by fax from PolicyFax that represent the best, most current thinking on the subject. You will need Adoble Acrobat Reader software to access these files. Click here http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html#reader to download your free Reader software. 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Please let us know if the service is useful to you, and how it can be improved. John R. La Plante PolicyFax Managing Editor The Heartland Institute http://www.heartland.org phone 312/377-4000 fax 312/377-5000 LPUtah LPUtah -- This message sent via listserver "lputah@qsicorp.com" LPUtah -- All messages are the sole responsibility of the sender. LPUtah -- Support: Jim Elwell, email: elwell@inconnect.com LPUtah - --------------914F9E22651AEE88976EAF41-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:07:12 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 1/26 - BAD BILLS, COMMITTEE HEARINGS, etc. - -------- Subject: LEG-ALERTS 1/26 - BAD BILLS, COMMITTEE HEARINGS, etc. Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:35:38 -0700 From: righter@therighter.com To: leg-alerts@aros.net PLEASE FORWARD! Committee hearings TOMORROW 8 AM! SB 79's evil spawn - SB 153 Dave Jones's ban on private sales School surveys What you MUST DO! COMMITTEE HEARINGS THURSDAY 8 AM! Three bills will be heard in committee tomorrow morning at 8 AM. HB 161, Background checks for weapons purchases, A. L. Tyler (R) Position: OPPOSE The bill would make juvenile records available to BCI for background checks. This is an unconstitutional ex post facto (retroactive) law, and juveniles are not entitled to a jury trial. Rights should not be revoked unless full due process is accorded. HB 176, Weapons Restrictions for Mentally Ill People, G. Cox (D) Position: OPPOSE The bill would revoke rights FOR LIFE for persons involuntarily committed to a mental institution. (The bill does not say this, but Federal law does.) Utah does not provide due process for mental health commitments. This is also an unconstitutional ex post facto law. These bills will be heard at 8 AM, House Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee, Rm 225 HB 199, Limits on Gun Manufacturer's Liability, M. Throckmorton (R) Position: SUPPORT This bill would protect firearms manufacturers against frivolous lawsuits. This bill will be heard at 8 AM, House Judiciary Committe, Rm 223 Please show up to support the one PRO-GUN bill this session! Full bill analyses, and links to bill text, can be found at http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/bills.html Only NEW bills will have full analyses in email alerts. MORE BAD BILLS - SPENCER AND JONES SB 153, Criminal Penalty Amendments, T. Spencer (R?) http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2000/htmdoc/sbillhtm/SB0153.htm POSITION: Strongest possible opposition Utah's own "Schumer" is at it yet again! Today he introduced SB 153, the evil spawn of SB 79, which he withdrew yesterday. SB 153, along with SB 72, would revoke firearms rights for MISDEMEANORS. Sen. Spencer would like us to believe that SB 153 is better than SB 79. But it's worse! The first bill proposed to revoke rights for misdemeanors for at least three years; the new bill would revoke rights for LIFE! SB 153 contains a long list of misdemeanors for which the penalty would be raised from a sentence of imprisonment for up to one year, to a sentence of imprisonment not to exceed 13 months. Under Federal Brady, a sentence of greater than one year results in a LIFETIME loss of firearms rights. Examples of offenses that Terry Spencer thinks should result in a LIFETIME loss of rights: Carrying a concealed firearm without a permit Spanking a child Possession of more than one ounce of marijuana (legal in many states!) Possession of any item that "could be" used in connection with illegal drugs, such as plastic bags, spoons, bowls, syringes, scales, etc. Possession of "too much" crystal iodine or cold pills Assaulting a "school employee or volunteer". (No, I don't condone assault. But why are school employees a protected class?) Calling or writing to legislators, if your communication causes "emotional distress" to a legislator or his family. Taking your own, legally prescribed, medication into a correctional facility. Any injury to a child that involves a "dangerous weapon", even if accidental. SB 153 is WORSE than SB 79!!! If these crimes are so horrible, they should be prosecuted as FELONIES. That way they would revoke not only gun rights, but ALL rights and privileges including right to vote, professional licenses, teaching certificates, etc. Spencer isn't interested in "fighting crime" - he just wants to revoke gun rights! HB 95 - Weapons Amendments, D. Jones, (D) http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2000/htmdoc/hbillhtm/HB0095.htm POSITION: Strongest possible opposition Perennial gun-grabber Dave Jones proposes to ban all private transactions of firearms unless a background check is conducted. While the bill appears to affect only gun shows and other "events" such as swap meets, my reading indicates that it could ban all private sales. At a minimum, all such events would be required to either have a BCI background check service set up, or have an FFL willing to do background checks for everyone at the event. This would effectively shut down smaller gun shows, and eliminate private transactions at other events. Enforcing this bill would require registration of ALL gun show attendees, which would completely shut down gun shows!! SB 37 - School surveys will shortly have its final vote in the Senate. Please ask any Senator you contact to OPPOSE this bill! WHAT YOU MUST DO! 1. Plan to attend the committee hearings tomorrow! Since they start at 8 AM, you can even show up before work! 2. CALL LEGISLATORS TONIGHT! Email may not reach them in time!) Support HB 199! House Judiciary A. Lamont Tyler, Chair 801-272-1218 Glenn L. Way, Vice Chair 801-798-2295 John Swallow 801-572-8201 Katherine Bryson 801-226-2061 Martin Stephens 801-731-5346 Bill Hickman 435-673-2671 Chad Bennion 801-281-1607 Greg Curtis 801-943-3091 Patrice Arent 801-272-1956 Neal Hendrickson 801-969-8920 Gary Cox 801-967-6790 All can be reached at 801-538-1029 Oppose HB 161, 176! House Law Enforcement Bud Bowman, Chair 435-586-8174 Jack A. Seitz, Vice Chair 435-789-0650 Loraine Pace 435-753-6154 Blake D. Chard, 801-773-7474 Carl Saunders, 801-476-1110 Nora Stephens, 801-825-3792 Susan Koehn, 801-296-1761 David L. Hogue, 801-254-1668 Perry L. Buckner, 801-964-8215 Duane Bourdeaux, 801-596-8784 Trisha Beck, 801-572-2325 All can be contacted at: 801-538-1029 (Some of these legislators from outside the SL area will not be at home, but you can leave messages!) 3. Keep calling and writing to Sen. Terry Spencer. Let him know you will NEVER support revocation of rights for MISDEMEANORS. If he wants to revoke rights, he should make the crimes FELONIES and revoke ALL rights and privileges! Sen. Terry Spencer 319 State Capitol SLC, UT 84114-0111 801-543-4450 home 801-538-1414 fax 801-538-1035 Capitol - make sure you ask that the message be hand delivered! 4. Call Senate President Lane Beattie and insist that he OPPOSE SB 72 and 153 and do everything possible to KILL them! Sen. Lane Beattie 319 State Capitol SLC, UT 84114-0111 801-292-7406 home 801-538-1400 Capitol 801-538-1414 fax 5. Call Speaker of the House Marty Stephens. Insist that he OPPOSE revocation of rights for misdemeanors! This is a question of principle, not bill language! And remember to ask him to SUPPORT HB 199! Rep. Marty Stephens 318 State Capitol SLC, UT 84114-0116 801-731-5346 (home) 801-538-1930 (work) 801-538-1908 (fax) 6. KEEP CALLING AND WRITING TO YOUR OWN LEGISLATORS!! 7. Forward this alert to at least three people! Thanks! Sarah Leg-alerts is written and distributed by Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed.Leg-alerts can also be found at UTGuns, http://www.UTguns.freeservers.com. Please check out the new site!This is a one-way list. Please do NOT try to post to the list. It won't work, and repeat violations will result in your removal from the list. Comments may be sent to me at righter@therighter.com. Thanks!Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no changes are made and this message is left intact.To subscribe/unsubscribe from leg-alerts, send a message to:majordomo@aros.netIn the body put:subscribe (or unsubscribe) leg-alerts - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:13:35 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: UTGuns LEG-ALERTS 1/27: Today's activities all ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy - --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: righter@therighter.com To: leg-alerts@aros.net A VERY BIG THANK-YOU to all of you who showed up for committee hearings today! Special kudos to those who testified! Report on today's events, Thursday, 1/27/99 HB 161 was heard by the House Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee today. UTGuns testified and OPPOSED this bill which would revoke firearms rights for those adjudicated delinquent as juveniles for up to 10 years. (See http://www.utguns.freeservers.com for bill analyses of these bills.) Despite our best efforts, this bill passed with only one NO vote by Rep. Hogue. This bill will now go to the full House for a vote. HB 176S2 was heard by the same committee. This bill would revoke firearms rights FOR LIFE for anyone involuntarily committed to a mental hospital - even if the commitment was false, or the person recovered. UTGuns testified and OPPOSED this bill. Because of the concerns raised by UTGuns, HB 176S2 was held in committee and was NOT passed. It will be voted on at some time in the future, probably next week. HB 199 was heard by the House Judiciary Committee. UTGuns strongly SUPPORTS this bill which would protect gun manufacturers from frivolous lawsuits. This bill passed committee and subsequently passed 2nd reading in the full House. It is expected to be passed (3rd reading) by the full House shortly, and will then go to the Senate. HB 173, Forfeiture Relating to Sexual Offenses Against Children was also heard by the House Law Enforcement Committee and I apologize for not getting an alert to you sooner. (This is not a firearms bill, but all gun owners should be familiar with forfeiture!) This bill would allow the seizure of computer equipment used to transmit child pornography even if the owner committed NO crime! In order to get his property back, the owner would have to file a claim at his own expense and prove he was not guilty! This turns our system of justice where a person is innocent until proven guilty on its head! And seizure of property violates the Fourth Amendment. Future alerts will cover asset forfeiture in more depth. This bill passed the committee with only one NO vote, again from Rep. Hogue. What were other gun rights organization doing while this was going on? USSC and the NRA both testified IN FAVOR of HB 161 and 176S2!! Both groups are apparently too afraid of getting "bad press" to stand up for our Constitution and our system of due process and jury trials! They seem to think that gun owners can protect their rights by infringing on the rights of others. They're WRONG! Our Bill of Rights is a brilliantly integrated system of rights that stand or fall together. Either all people have rights, or no one will have any. To paraphrase Pastor Niemoller: First they came for the juvenile delinquents and I was silent because I wasn't a juvenile delinquent, Then they came for the drug users and I was silent because I didn't use drugs. Then they came for the mentally ill and I was silent because I didn't think I was mentally ill, Then they came for the gun owners and there was no one left to speak for me. UTGuns supports the entire Constitution and Bill of Rights. We will NEVER support the infringement of anyone's inalienable rights, or the denial of due process, for any reason. We can't fight all battles on all fronts, but we will never knowingly do harm to anyone's rights or freedom. And where was GOUtah!? As far as I can tell, they simply weren't there. The Republican "Crime Package" will be revealed tomorrow morning. According to Speaker of the House Marty Stephens, neither Sen. Terry Spencer's nor Sen. Lane Beattie's gun control bills will be included. This is a step in the right direction, although we don't know what WILL be included. Please make sure Marty knows that support for ANY gun control is unacceptable! Rep. Marty Stephens 318 State Capitol SLC, UT 84114-0116 801-731-5346 (home) 801-538-1930 (work) 801-538-1908 (fax) mstephen@le.state.ut.us How you can help! 1. Contact members of the House Law Enforcement Committee. Ask them to OPPOSE HB 161. Remind them that all people are entitled to due process - even juveniles and those labeled mentally ill. Explain that permanent revocation of rights for civil commitment is unacceptable because there is no due process for civil commitment in Utah. And no matter what the bill says, Federal Brady would make such revocations permanent! Contact info is in yesterday's alert, http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/legalerts012600.html. Make sure they know that USSC and the NRA do not speak for you, or gun owners in general! 2. Contact your OWN representative and insist that s/he oppose both HB 161 and HB 176S2 (if it gets that far!) And make sure you ask him/her to SUPPORT HB 199! 3. Contact Sen. President Lane Beattie and ask why Senate Republicans are sponsoring more gun control bills than the Democrats! 4. Show up in force for the SB 72 hearings tomorrow! Of course we're all paranoid. No one is talking about revoking OUR firearms rights. No one would dream of confiscating guns, banning guns, or anything other than "reasonable" gun control. Yeah, right! See http://www.gunscholar.org/gunban.htm (They forgot Mike Leavitt, Lane Beattie, Terry Spencer, Dave Jones, and Millie Peterson!) Thanks again for your WONDERFUL support! Sarah Leg-alerts is written and distributed by Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed. Leg-alerts can also be found at UTGuns, http://www.UTguns.freeservers.com. Please check out the new site! This is a one-way list. Please do NOT try to post to the list. It won't work, and repeat violations will result in your removal from the list. Comments may be sent to me at righter@therighter.com. Thanks! Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no changes are made and this message is left intact. To subscribe/unsubscribe from leg-alerts, send a message to: majordomo@aros.net In the body put: subscribe (or unsubscribe) leg-alerts - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to leg-alerts-request@aros.net with the line unsubscribe leg-alerts in the body. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:27:09 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: Report on Thursday - ---------- From: gumby@xmission.com To: (Recipient list suppressed) Subject: Report on todays events Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2000, 9:18 PM A VERY BIG THANK-YOU to all of you who showed up for committee hearings today! Special kudos to those who testified! Report on today's events, Thursday, 1/27/99 HB 161 was heard by the House Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee today. UTGuns testified and OPPOSED this bill which would revoke firearms rights for those adjudicated delinquent as juveniles for up to 10 years. (See http://www.utguns.freeservers.com for bill analyses of these bills.) Despite our best efforts, this bill passed with only one NO vote by Rep. Hogue. This bill will now go to the full House for a vote. HB 176S2 was heard by the same committee. This bill would revoke firearms rights FOR LIFE for anyone involuntarily committed to a mental hospital - even if the commitment was false, or the person recovered. UTGuns testified and OPPOSED this bill. Because of the concerns raised by UTGuns, HB 176S2 was held in committee and was NOT passed. It will be voted on at some time in the future, probably next week. HB 199 was heard by the House Judiciary Committee. UTGuns strongly SUPPORTS this bill which would protect gun manufacturers from frivolous lawsuits. This bill passed committee and subsequently passed 2nd reading in the full House. It is expected to be passed (3rd reading) by the full House shortly, and will then go to the Senate. HB 173, Forfeiture Relating to Sexual Offenses Against Children was also heard by the House Law Enforcement Committee and I apologize for not getting an alert to you sooner. (This is not a firearms bill, but all gun owners should be familiar with forfeiture!) This bill would allow the seizure of computer equipment used to transmit child pornography even if the owner committed NO crime! In order to get his property back, the owner would have to file a claim at his own expense and prove he was not guilty! This turns our system of justice where a person is innocent until proven guilty on its head! And seizure of property violates the Fourth Amendment. Future alerts will cover asset forfeiture in more depth. This bill passed the committee with only one NO vote, again from Rep. Hogue. What were other gun rights organization doing while this was going on? USSC and the NRA both testified IN FAVOR of HB 161 and 176S2!! Both groups are apparently too afraid of getting "bad press" to stand up for our Constitution and our system of due process and jury trials! They seem to think that gun owners can protect their rights by infringing on the rights of others. They're WRONG! Our Bill of Rights is a brilliantly integrated system of rights that stand or fall together. Either all people have rights, or no one will have any. To paraphrase Pastor Niemoller: First they came for the juvenile delinquents and I was silent because I wasn't a juvenile delinquent, Then they came for the drug users and I was silent because I didn't use drugs. Then they came for the mentally ill and I was silent because I didn't think I was mentally ill. Then they came for the gun owners and there was no one left to speak for me. UTGuns supports the entire Constitution and Bill of Rights. We will NEVER support the infringement of anyone's inalienable rights, or the denial of due process, for any reason. We can't fight all battles on all fronts, but we will never knowingly do harm to anyone's rights or freedom. The Republican "Crime Package" will be revealed tomorrow morning. According to Speaker of the House Marty Stephens, neither Sen. Terry Spencer's nor Sen. Lane Beattie's gun control bills will be included. This is a step in the right direction, although we don't know what WILL be included. Please make sure Marty knows that support for ANY gun control is unacceptable! Rep. Marty Stephens 318 State Capitol SLC, UT 84114-0116 801-731-5346 (home) 801-538-1930 (work) 801-538-1908 (fax) mstephen@le.state.ut.us How you can help! 1. Contact members of the House Law Enforcement Committee. Ask them to OPPOSE HB 161. Remind them that all people are entitled to due process --- even juveniles and those labeled mentally ill. Explain that permanent revocation of rights for civil commitment is unacceptable because there is no due process for civil commitment in Utah. And no matter what the bill says, Federal Brady would make such revocations permanent! Contact info is in yesterday's alert, http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/legalerts012600.html. Make sure they know that USSC and the NRA do not speak for you, or gun owners in general! 2. Contact your OWN representative and insist that s/he oppose both HB 161 and HB 176S2 (if it gets that far!) And make sure you ask him/her to SUPPORT HB 199! 3. Contact Sen. President Lane Beattie and ask why Senate Republicans are sponsoring more gun control bills than the Democrats! 4. Show up in force for the SB 72 hearings tomorrow! Of course we're all paranoid. No one is talking about revoking OUR firearms rights. No one would dream of confiscating guns, banning guns, or anything other than "reasonable" gun control. Yeah, right! See http://www.gunscholar.org/gunban.htm (They forgot Mike Leavitt, Lane Beattie, Terry Spencer, Dave Jones, and Millie Peterson!) Thanks again for your WONDERFUL support! Sarah Leg-alerts is written and distributed by Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed. Leg-alerts can also be found at UTGuns, http://www.UTguns.freeservers.com. Please check out the new site! - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:40:23 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: UTGuns LEG-ALERTS 1/27 - URGENT! SB 72 FRIDAY AM! - ---------BEGIN ALERT MESSAGE--------- From: righter@therighter.com Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:46:54 -0700 Subject: UTGuns LEG-ALERTS 1/27 - URGENT! SB 72 FRIDAY AM! PLEASE FORWARD!! URGENT! Sen. Terry "Terror" Spencer's SB 72 will be heard by the Senate Judiciary Committee FRIDAY, 8 AM, Rm 416! SB 72 contains MANY offensive provisions to revoke firearms rights: 1. SB 72 would revoke firearms rights FOR LIFE for anyone who commits a drug-related MISDEMEANOR! This includes such trivial, non-violent, offenses as taking your OWN medication out of the bottle and carrying it in a pocket, possession of small amounts of marijuana - even for medical use, and possession of so-called "drug paraphernalia" (baggies, powdered sugar). This is just a sneaky way to break the centuries-old legal principle that rights may not be revoked except for a felony. If this passes, soon all misdemeanors will be grounds for revocation of firearms rights. 2. SB 72 would revoke rights for those adjudicated delinquent as a juvenile for a felony-level offense - without a jury trial - for up to ten years. 3. SB 72 would revoke firearms rights FOR LIFE for anyone involuntarily committed to a mental hospital - even if the person was wrongfully committed, or has recovered completely. There is no due process for commitments! 4. SB 72 would revoke firearms rights FOR LIFE for anyone dishonorably discharged from the military - even those discharged for principled stances regarding serving in UN forces, unsafe vaccines, etc. 5. SB 72 is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL ex post facto (retroactive) bill! Any crime that is serious enough to warrant revocation of rights MUST BE tried as a FELONY and result in loss of all rights, not just gun rights! If SB 72 passes committee, Sen. Spencer will take it as support for his even worse SB 153, which revokes firearms rights for life for a long laundry list of misdemeanors! IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that we show Sen. Spencer (and the members of the Judiciary Committee!) that revocation of rights for misdemeanor offenses is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE and that GUN OWNERS WILL NOT ROLL OVER FOR THIS! PLEASE PLAN TO ATTEND THE COMMITTEE HEARING FRIDAY! We need to pack the room and the hallway outside! PLEASE CALL EACH MEMBER OF THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TONIGHT. Let them know you will not stand for revocation of rights for misdemeanors! Sen. Terry R. Spencer, Chair 801-543-4450 Sen. Mike Dmitrich 435-637-0426 Sen. Parley Hellewell 801-226-3034 Sen. Lyle W. Hillyard 435-753-0043 Sen. Pete Suazo 801-521-3751 Sen. John L. Valentine 801-224-1693 Email: tspencer@le.state.ut.us, mdmitric@le.state.ut.us, phellewe@le.state.ut.us, lhillyar@le.state.ut.us, psuazo@le.state.ut.us, jvalenti@le.state.ut.us My report on today's activities on the Hill will follow. Today was the deadline for "numbering" (filing) bill titles, so there are many new bills. Full report may have to wait until the weekend. You can see for yourself at www.le.state.ut.us. For those of you who are GOA (Gun Owners of America) members... I got a WONDERFUL packet from Larry Pratt, Executive Director of GOA today. He does a great job of exposing Mike Leavitt and the liberal Republicans' gun grabbing, rights revoking agenda. But more important, it contains a packet of postcards to send to legislators. It is VERY important that you make sure EVERY single postcard gets mailed! In fact, consider writing letters to your legislators and give the postcards to friends or relatives to sign. (Be nice and include a stamp!) This is one of the MOST EFFECTIVE ways to let legislators know that they must OPPOSE all gun control! It's quick, easy, and it WORKS! Send these to: Your Representative and Senator Speaker of the House Marty Stephens Senate President Lane Beattie (As many other legislators as you want!) If you're not a member of GOA, please consider joining the ONLY NO-COMPROMISE NATIONAL GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION! Go to http://www.gunowners.org And if you didn't get postcards, buy some blank ones at the post office, write a short message, and send them to legislators. Remember, if you don't ACT NOW, your gun rights may soon be history! Thanks to all of you who have already called, written or visited with legislators. Keep up the good work! Sarah Leg-alerts is written and distributed by Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed. Leg-alerts can also be found at UTGuns, http://www.UTguns.freeservers.com. Please check out the new site! This is a one-way list. Please do NOT try to post to the list. It won't work, and repeat violations will result in your removal from the list. Comments may be sent to me at righter@therighter.com. Thanks! Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no changes are made and this message is left intact. To subscribe/unsubscribe from leg-alerts, send a message to: majordomo@aros.net In the body put: subscribe (or unsubscribe) leg-alerts - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:55:48 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 1/29: Votes, Hearings - ---------- From: righter@therighter.com To: leg-alerts@aros.net Subject: LEG-ALERTS 1/29: Votes, Hearings Date: Sat, Jan 29, 2000, 5:36 PM BILL UPDATES (See http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/bills SB 37 - School Surveys (Montgomery) has passed the Senate, and is now in the House. No voting list is yet available. Please ask YOUR OWN Representative to OPPOSE this bill. HB 199 - Prohibition of Gun Suits (Throckmorton) Victory in the House! This bill passed the House and is now in the Senate. Those voting AGAINST this good and necessary bill were: Representatives S. Allen Arent Baca Beck Becker Bigelow Biskupski Bourdeaux Bradshaw Buffmire Carlson G. Cox Fife Frandsen Goodfellow Hansen Hendrickson Jones Morgan Siddoway G. Snow Tyler (voting list provided by Code-Co, http://www.code-co.com/ ) If your Representative is on this list, please let him/her know that you don't appreciate the ANTI-GUN vote, and that s/he has permanently lost your vote. Please ask YOUR SENATOR to SUPPORT HB 199. COMMITTEE HEARINGS (Bill analyses at http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/bills) MONDAY JAN. 31 8 AM - House Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee, Rm. 225 HB 176S2 - Weapons Restriction for Mentally Ill (G. Cox) - Please ask committee members to approve this bill ONLY if it is amended to provide that rights are revoked only during a CURRENT order of civil commitment (not for life!), and for those pleading guilty but mentally ill for FELONY offenses (no revocation of rights for misdemeanors!) Members are: Bud Bowman, Chair 435-586-8174 Jack A. Seitz, Vice Chair 435-789-0650 Loraine Pace 435-753-6154 Blake D. Chard, 801-773-7474 Carl Saunders, 801-476-1110 Nora Stephens, 801-825-3792 Susan Koehn, 801-296-1761 David L. Hogue, 801-254-1668 Perry L. Buckner, 801-964-8215 Duane Bourdeaux, 801-596-8784 Trisha Beck, 801-572-2325 All can be contacted at: 801-538-1029 (Some of these legislators from outside the SL area will not be at home, but you can leave messages!) 8 AM House Judiciary Committee Rm. 223 HB 245 - Safety in Public Schools (Wright) Please ask committee members to AMEND this bill so that its provisions apply to ALL violent crimes committed in schools, and not just "gun-related offenses". Committee members are: A. Lamont Tyler, Chair 801-272-1218 Glenn L. Way, Vice Chair 801-798-2295 John Swallow 801-572-8201 Katherine Bryson 801-226-2061 Martin Stephens 801-731-5346 Bill Hickman 435-673-2671 Chad Bennion 801-281-1607 Greg Curtis 801-943-3091 Patrice Arent 801-272-1956 Neal Hendrickson 801-969-8920 Gary Cox 801-967-6790 TUESDAY FEB. 1 3 PM - House Education Committee, Rm. 303 HB 248 - Gun Ban Schools, Churches, Residences (Jones) - PLEASE PLAN TO ATTEND! Please call committee members and ask them to OPPOSE HB 248. Concealed carry permittees are NOT a problem. Committee members are: Lloyd Frandsen, Chair lfrandse@le.state.ut.us 801-254-4940 Ron Bigelow, Vice Chair, rbigelow@le.state.ut.us 801-968-4188 Jeff Alexander, jalexand@le.state.ut.us 801-375-1092 Duane Bourdeaux, dbourdea@le.state.ut.us 801-596-8784 Judy Ann Buffmire, jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us 801-266-1862 Fred J. Fife, III, ffife@le.state.ut.us, 801-521-7383 David L. Hogue, dhogue@le.state.ut.us, 801-254-1668 Bradley T. Johnson, bjohnson@le.state.ut.us 435-529-3227 Keele Johnson, kjohnson@le.state.ut.us 435-678-2077 Tammy J. Rowan, trowan@le.state.ut.us 801-224-6141 LaWanna Shurtliff, lshurtli@le.state.ut.us 801-479-0289, 801-391-7387 Matt Throckmorton, mthrockm@le.state.ut.us 801-489-8342 Bill Wright, wwright@le.state.ut.us 801-667-3333 It's especially important to call Rep. Frandsen! No committee agendas are available for later in the week. Stay tuned! Thanks, as always, for your support! Sarah Leg-alerts is written and distributed by Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed. Leg-alerts can also be found at UTGuns, http://www.UTguns.freeservers.com . Please check out the new site! This is a one-way list. Please do NOT try to post to the list. It won't work, and repeat violations will result in your removal from the list. Comments may be sent to me at righter@therighter.com. Thanks! Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no changes are made and this message is left intact. To subscribe/unsubscribe from leg-alerts, send a message to: majordomo@aros.net In the body put: subscribe (or unsubscribe) leg-alerts - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:49:55 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: Re: LEG-ALERTS 1/27 - Today's events, upcoming events, VOLUNTEERS NEEDED! all ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy - --------- Forwarded message ---------- > PLEASE FORWARD!! > > 1. Today's events - SB 72 > 2. The Much-Awaited Crime Package > 3. New bills > 4. What you must do! > 5. Upcoming events - VOLUNTEERS NEEDED! > > > TODAY'S EVENTS - SB 72 > > Spencer is as slick as ever. > It's 13 pages long, and we were given barely a few minutes to >read it. > (This is a ploy to make sure the public has no say when they >actually vote, and that we don't know how they vote.) > """" of a controlled substance or metabolite in their system >was added. > Testifying in favor of the bill was Prosecutor Paul Boyden. > (We'll know for sure when we see the bill!) > 1. Changing the commitment language to restrict rights for only >those under a CURRENT order of commitment. > """" (No revocation of rights for misdemeanors.) > (If someone is guilty of a felony, he's already prohibited from >possessing a gun, and someone guilty of a misdemeanor shouldn't lose his >rights.) > "" And would this mean the police would demand drug testing for >anyone found carrying a gun?) > "" "". > (They do still have to use the NICS federal background check >though.) > And, of course, we don't yet know what the bill will actually say! > > ACTION: > Contact Sen. Spencer and request that the public be given the opportunity >to comment on the final version of the bill. > > > THE MUCH AWAITED CRIME PACKAGE > > "" > "" "" "" "" mandatory storage requirement, or proficiency tests >for concealed carry permits. > But don't relax - most of those gun control bills are still on >the table, and horrible new legislation can be introduced right up until a >few days before the end of the session. > "", see: http://www.desnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,150009708,00.html >(No, I'm not partial, but the Trib doesn't have its article up yet!) > > > NEW BILLS > > HB 91, Individual Income Tax Credit for a Residential Security Container - >Chad E. Bennion (R) > http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2000/htmdoc/sbillhtm/SB0091.htm > > "" bill would provide an income tax credit of up to $150 for the >purchase of a safe. > > "" propaganda. > >> mandatory storage at all times > (It IS their business to keep people from breaking into homes >and stealing things, but they don't want to admit that part!) > Is this a proper role for Republicans and/or Conservatives? > Isn't this just another back door approach to registration? > So it's up to us to explain why a tax credit for gun safes is >not a sound idea. > > SB 161, Restrictions on Weapons - Schools, L. Beattie (?R) > http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2000/htmdoc/sbillhtm/SB0161.htm > POSITION: Strongest possible opposition > Which is probably the point. > > SB 162, Restrictions on Weapons, Churches, L. Beattie (?R) > http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2000/bills/sbillint/SB0162.htm > POSITION: Strongest possible opposition > > The criminals sure won't! > > "" Or maybe folks could just announce their sins as they enter. > > > "". > > > WHAT YOU MUST DO! > > Insist that he withdraw these bills! > Sen. Lane Beattie > 319 State Capitol > SLC, UT 84114-0111 > 801-292-7406 home > 801-538-1400 Capitol > 801-538-1414 fax > > Remind him that we're counting on him to make sure NO gun control bills pass. > Rep. Marty Stephens > 318 State Capitol > SLC, UT 84114-0116 > 801-731-5346 (home) > 801-538-1930 (work) > 801-538-1908 (fax) > mstephen@le.state.ut.us > > Offer to suggest ideas for some legislation that will really benefit >gun owners - but only if this bill dies! > Chad Bennion 801-281-1607 > > Dave Jones 801-582-8247 > Greg Curtis 801-943-3091 > 435-676-2214 > Bradley T. Johnson 435-529-3227 > Bill Wright 801-667-3333 > Brad King 435-637-7955 > Kory Holdaway 801-964-6360 > All can be reached at 801-538-1029 > > 4. Call or write your OWN Senator and Representative! > > > UPCOMING EVENTS > Committee hearings > Monday Jan. 31 > 8 AM - HB 176S2 Weapons Restrictions for Mentally Ill > 8 AM - HB 245 Improving safety in public schools > > Tuesday Feb. 1 > 3 PM - HB 248 - Ban on guns in schools, churches, residences > > Priority is HB 248, but whatever you can do is great! > Please read the bill analyses and try to contact committee members over >the weekend to express your opposition to these bills. > > VOLUNTEERS NEEDED! > Email or call 801-566-1067. > Thanks again to those of you who attended committee hearings this week! > > 32 days left! > > Sarah > > > All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the >author, unless otherwise attributed. > Leg-alerts can also be found at UTGuns, http://www.UTguns.freeservers.com >Please check out the new site! > Thanks! > Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no >changes are made and this message is left intact. > To subscribe/unsubscribe from leg-alerts, send a message to: >majordomo@aros.net In the body put: subscribe (or unsubscribe) leg-alerts - - ------------------------------ End of utah-firearms-digest V2 #175 ***********************************