From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #176 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Thursday, February 3 2000 Volume 02 : Number 176 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:46:25 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: ALERT--URGENT WAGC press conference needs supporters Monday AM Sorry for the late notice, but please attend if possible. Women Against Gun Control founder and director Janalee Tobias has scheduled a press conference to combat anti-gun legislation and present signed pro-gun petitions to law makers. The press conference is scheduled for Monday, January 31, 2000, at 9:00 A.M on the House Chamber steps at the Utah State Capital rotunda. Please attend if at all possible. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:32:57 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: URGENT ACTION ALERT - Jan. 31 2000 - The hearing is scheduled for Tuesday, February 1, 3:00 pm in room 303 at the capital. See the message below for legislators to contact tonight--especially if you will be uable to attend the hearing tomorrow. Let the legislators know how this bill will affect YOU as parent, educator, volunteer in school, whatever. Put a real face on how this bill will hurt YOU. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy - --------- Forwarded message ---------- URGENT ACTION ALERT - Jan. 31 2000 - (Ban on legal self defense guns in schools, churches, and private residences- HB 248) House Bill 248 - GUN BAN IN SCHOOL, CHURCHES, AND RESIDENCES, sponsored by anti-gun politician Dave Jones will be voted on by the House Education Committee on TUESDAY FEBRUARY 1ST at 3:00PM in room 303 of the state capitol. IT IS URGENT THAT YOU CONTACT EVERY COMMITTEE MEMBER LISTED BELOW AND IF AT ALL POSSIBLE ATTEND THE HEARING. It looks like some usually pro-gun legislators are getting nervous and may pass this totally unacceptable bill. ** This bill is the keystone of efforts to dismantle legal carrying of concealed weapons for self defense by people with permits. If it passes, steps to ban legal guns in more places will follow. ** It is not a crime bill and does nothing to impose restrictions or penalties on anyone except pe ople who have obeyed the law and gotten permits for legal self defense. ** It is already illegal for anyone to carry a concealed weapon in a school, church or anywhere el se, except law enforcement officers and carefully screened permit holders. ** Polls showing huge support for "ban guns in schools" asked only about a vague concept, not a sp ecific bill, and do not distinguish between criminals, students, police, or permit holders with legal guns. Most people have no idea what gun laws already control concealed weapons. They are in favor of laws that already exist. ** Permit holders ARE NOT A PROBLEM. PTA allegations of many scary incidents in Utah schools invo lving permit holders ARE NOT TRUE! Where's the proof? ** Even after the Columbine tragedy, the Colorado legislature is refusing to pass restrictions on legal concealed carry in their schools. ** Churches already have authority to keep legal self defense guns out. No new laws are required on that subject. ** Private residence owners can already keep legal self defense guns out. No new laws are needed on that subject. Private residences will be off limits to anyone with a legally carried self defense gun, or any other gun, unless the get written permission first. If a permit holder takes their kids out selling stuff for a school project, they will have to tell every nosey neighbor they carry a gun. ** This bad bill will prevent educators working late from defending themselves while going to thei r cars. (Yes, many educators DO have concealed carry permits!!) ** It will make anyone attending evening classes held in public school facilities a defenseless ta rget for stalkers, rapists, and other attackers. ** This bad bill only makes the good guys get permission, not criminals. ** Judges are exempt from the school ban, and private security guards exempt from the residence ba n- why should some elite classes be able to protect themselves and other law abiding citizens be left defenseless? IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS HEARING PACKED WITH GUN OWNERS! Please make every effort to make it t o the capitol by 3:00 PM Tuesday, room 303. We do not encourage people to take time off from work to attend hearings unles s it is important. This one is! Please dress appropriately and be polite. Right now it looks like there are 6 votes against the bill, 5 in favor and 2 undecided. It is very important to kill this bill in committee. If HB 248 gets out of committee it will be a lot harder to defeat later. PLEASE CONTACT ALL OF THESE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND ASK THEM TO VOTE AGAINST HOUSE BILL 248. Call or E-mail as soon as possible. Be polite. (Check out http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/talk.html for tips on speaking with politic ians.) Lloyd Frandsen, Chair lfrandse@le.state.ut.us 801-254-4940 Ron Bigelow, Vice Chair, rbigelow@le.state.ut.us 801-968-4188 Jeff Alexander, jalexand@le.state.ut.us 801-375-1092 Duane Bourdeaux, dbourdea@le.state.ut.us 801-596-8784 Judy Ann Buffmire, jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us 801-266-1862 Fred J. Fife, III, ffife@le.state.ut.us, 801-521-7383 David L. Hogue, dhogue@le.state.ut.us, 801-254-1668 Bradley T. Johnson, bjohnson@le.state.ut.us 435-529-3227 Keele Johnson, kjohnson@le.state.ut.us 435-678-2077 Tammy J. Rowan, trowan@le.state.ut.us 801-224-6141 LaWanna Shurtliff, lshurtli@le.state.ut.us 801-479-0289, 801-391-7387 Matt Throckmorton, mthrockm@le.state.ut.us 801-489-8342 Bill Wright, wwright@le.state.ut.us 801-667-3333 Your efforts are paying off, but the fight to protect your rights continues. Read the Deseret News comments on your efforts at http://www.desnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,150010068,00.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 09:35:12 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: URGENT ACTION ALERT - Jan. 31 2000 - URGENT ACTION ALERT - Jan. 31 2000 - (Ban on legal self defense guns in schools, churches, and private residences- HB 248) House Bill 248 - GUN BAN IN SCHOOL, CHURCHES, AND RESIDENCES, sponsored by anti-gun politician Dave Jones will be voted on by the House Education Committee on TUESDAY FEBRUARY 1ST at 3:00PM in room 303 of the state capitol. IT IS URGENT THAT YOU CONTACT EVERY COMMITTEE MEMBER LISTED BELOW AND IF AT ALL POSSIBLE ATTEND THE HEARING. It looks like some usually pro-gun legislators are getting nervous and may pass this totally unacceptable bill. ** This bill is the keystone of efforts to dismantle legal carrying of concealed weapons for self defense by people with permits. If it passes, steps to ban legal guns in more places will follow. ** It is not a crime bill and does nothing to impose restrictions or penalties on anyone except people who have obeyed the law and gotten permits for legal self defense. ** It is already illegal for anyone to carry a concealed weapon in a school, church or anywhere else, except law enforcement officers and carefully screened permit holders. ** Polls showing huge support for "ban guns in schools" asked only about a vague concept, not a specific bill, and do not distinguish between criminals, students, police, or permit holders with legal guns. Most people have no idea what gun laws already control concealed weapons. They are in favor of laws that already exist. ** Permit holders ARE NOT A PROBLEM. PTA allegations of many scary incidents in Utah schools involving permit holders ARE NOT TRUE! Where's the proof? ** Even after the Columbine tragedy, the Colorado legislature is refusing to pass restrictions on legal concealed carry in their schools. ** Churches already have authority to keep legal self defense guns out. No new laws are required on that subject. ** Private residence owners can already keep legal self defense guns out. No new laws are needed on that subject. Private residences will be off limits to anyone with a legally carried self defense gun, or any other gun, unless they get written permission first. If a permit holder takes their kids out selling stuff for a school project, they will have to tell every nosey neighbor they carry a gun. ** This bad bill will prevent educators working late from defending themselves while going to their cars. (Yes, many educators DO have concealed carry permits!!) ** It will make anyone attending evening classes held in public school facilities a defenseless target for stalkers, rapists, and other attackers. ** This bad bill only makes the good guys get permission, not criminals. ** Judges are exempt from the school ban, and private security guards exempt from the residence ban- why should some elite classes be able to protect themselves and other law abiding citizens be left defenseless? IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS HEARING PACKED WITH GUN OWNERS! Please make every effort to make it to the capitol by 3:00 PM Tuesday, room 303. We do not encourage people to take time off from work to attend hearings unless it is important. This one is! Please dress appropriately and be polite. Right now it looks like there are 6 votes against the bill, 5 in favor and 2 undecided. It is very important to kill this bill in committee. If HB 248 gets out of committee it will be a lot harder to defeat later. PLEASE CONTACT ALL OF THESE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND ASK THEM TO VOTE AGAINST HOUSE BILL 248. Call or E-mail as soon as possible. Be polite. (Check out http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/talk.html for tips on speaking with politicians.) Lloyd Frandsen, Chair lfrandse@le.state.ut.us 801-254-4940 Ron Bigelow, Vice Chair, rbigelow@le.state.ut.us 801-968-4188 Jeff Alexander, jalexand@le.state.ut.us 801-375-1092 Duane Bourdeaux, dbourdea@le.state.ut.us 801-596-8784 Judy Ann Buffmire, jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us 801-266-1862 Fred J. Fife, III, ffife@le.state.ut.us, 801-521-7383 David L. Hogue, dhogue@le.state.ut.us, 801-254-1668 Bradley T. Johnson, bjohnson@le.state.ut.us 435-529-3227 Keele Johnson, kjohnson@le.state.ut.us 435-678-2077 Tammy J. Rowan, trowan@le.state.ut.us 801-224-6141 LaWanna Shurtliff, lshurtli@le.state.ut.us 801-479-0289, 801-391-7387 Matt Throckmorton, mthrockm@le.state.ut.us 801-489-8342 Bill Wright, wwright@le.state.ut.us 801-667-3333 Your efforts are paying off, but the fight to protect your rights continues. Read the Deseret News comments on your efforts at http://www.desnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,150010068,00.html If this alert was forwarded to you by someone other than USSC you can sign up for alerts by sending an E-mail to addalerts@UtahShootingSports.org Please forward this e-mail to anyone you think may be interested. For anyone who does not have Internet access, the latest Utah legislative updates are available by telephone. The number is 801-299-7230. Visit our web-site at: http://www.UtahShootingSports.org for the latest news and membership applications. To be removed from the USSC E-Mail Action Alert list, send an e-mail to: dropalerts@UtahShootingSports.org Thanks for your time. Provided by the Utah Shooting Sports Council, Box 1975, Layton, UT 84041-6975 - ------- End of forwarded message ------- ------------------------------ Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU rpyne@kinfolk.org http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2 _______________________________________________ RSCC mailing list - RSCC@BalancedCenter.org http://BalancedCenter.org/mailman/listinfo/rscc - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 09:49:38 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 1/31 - GUN BAN HEARING TUESDAY!! - ---------- From: righter@therighter.com To: leg-alerts@aros.net Subject: LEG-ALERTS 1/31 - GUN BAN HEARING TUESDAY!! Date: Mon, Jan 31, 2000, 6:33 PM Committee hearings Bill update What you must do COMMITTEE HEARINGS Once again "Titan" of gun control, Rep. David Jones, is trying to "Ram" gun control down our throats! HB 248, Firearms Restrictions - Houses of Worship, Residences and Schools, (Jones), would prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by those with concealed carry permits in schools (including private schools), houses of worship, and private residences, unless the person carrying obtains permission from the owner or other authorized person. This bill would endanger thousands of lives by creating "victim zones" where criminals could attack children, church members, and others without any fear of resistance. It would also endanger the many people who enter private residences for business purposes. And since the bill only affects law-abiding people with concealed carry permits, it will do NOTHING to stop criminals! IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU ATTEND THIS HEARING! House Education Committee, 3 PM, Rm. 303 SB 72Sub1 - Restricted persons, (Spencer) Senate Judiciary Committee, 3 PM, Rm 416 At the last committee hearing, Sen. Spencer agreed to remove most of the offensive provisions of this bill. Now we'll find out if he really means it! BILL UPDATES - some small victories for freedom! HB 26 - Impounding Amendments (Goodfellow) This bill was substituted in committee today. The original bill would have allowed the police to impound a vehicle if the driver did not have current proof of insurance - even if the vehicle really was insured! The substitute bill eliminates this language and allows for impounding only if the vehicle has false license plates or registration. (Not carrying proof of insurance is an innocent error, and may even result from an insurance company issuing the documents late. False license plates and/or false registration are willful violations of the law.) This bill passed out of committee unanimously (4 absent/abstain) and will be placed on the House Consent Calendar. There are no major objections to the bill in its current form. HB 176S2 - Weapons restrictions for mentally ill (Cox, G.) This bill was heard in committee early this morning while most people (including me!) were still stuck in the snow. The bill has been improved somewhat by clarifying that it only applies to current orders of civil commitment, that such orders are not evidence of criminal behavior, and by requiring that notice of the issue or cancellation of commitment orders or warrants for arrest must be given within one day of the action. The bill is still not perfect, and questions remain as to how Brady might affect this, but it is better. The bill passed out of committee and will now go to the House for a floor vote. This is no longer a priority bill. HB 199 - Prohibition of lawsuits against gun manufacturers (Throckmorton) This bill is now in the Senate. Call your Senator and ask him to support it! HB 245 - Safety in Public Schools (Wright) Rep. Wright has agreed to consider amendments to this bill. It will be heard in committee WEDNESDAY, House Judiciary Commmittee, 8 AM, Rm 223 WHAT YOU MUST DO! 1. Plan to attend the committee hearings tomorrow! 2. Call members of the House Education Committee and insist that they OPPOSE HB 248. Committee members are: Lloyd Frandsen, Chair lfrandse@le.state.ut.us 801-254-4940 Ron Bigelow, Vice Chair, rbigelow@le.state.ut.us 801-968-4188 Jeff Alexander, jalexand@le.state.ut.us 801-375-1092 Duane Bourdeaux, dbourdea@le.state.ut.us 801-596-8784 Judy Ann Buffmire, jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us 801-266-1862 Fred J. Fife, III, ffife@le.state.ut.us, 801-521-7383 David L. Hogue, dhogue@le.state.ut.us, 801-254-1668 Bradley T. Johnson, bjohnson@le.state.ut.us 435-529-3227 Keele Johnson, kjohnson@le.state.ut.us 435-678-2077 Tammy J. Rowan, trowan@le.state.ut.us 801-224-6141 LaWanna Shurtliff, lshurtli@le.state.ut.us 801-479-0289, 801-391-7387 Matt Throckmorton, mthrockm@le.state.ut.us 801-489-8342 Bill Wright, wwright@le.state.ut.us 801-667-3333 It's especially important to call the Chair, Rep. Frandsen! 3. Call Rep. Wright and ask him to accept the UTGuns amendment to HB 245. 801-667-3333 or 801-538-1029 4. Insist that your Senator SUPPORT HB 199 if you have not already done so. 5. Insist that your Representative OPPOSE HB 173 (forfeiture) and SB 37 (school surveys). Thanks! I hope to see many of you tomorrow! If we haven't met, please say hello and introduce yourself! (I'm the short lady with short, dark brown hair.) Sarah - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:09:58 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: New SECOND AMENDMENT Book FYI - ---------- My new book titled A Little Handbook on the Second Amendment: What the American aristocracy Doesn't Want You to Know has just been listed on Amazon.com. This is the only place it can be purchased, except for the possibility mentioned below. It is a summary of Second Amendment information found in academic books, but it includes different points of view and a broader scope of information than that commonly found in books on this subject. There is a lot more to know about the Second Amendment than what is usually discussed. I believe this "little handbook" can have a major impact on the American debate from a pro-gun point of view if read widely. Getting it read widely is my challenge. It has been written, printed, and published on a "shoe string." I hope many will purchase and read it. An "academic" has written a very positive review, but it was not written for "academics." I am hoping many from the general reading population will take the time to submit candid reviews on Amazon.com. Any help you can provide will be very much appreciated. The URL is http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0966935918/qid%3D945822745/002-879661/102-3771435-9816019 I apologize if you have received this message before. When you have something important to offer, but you're poor, you use every free resource possible to communicate and ask for help. I am unable to send free copies. Stay safe. Stay free. Joe Bass Suffolk, Virginia - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 13:09:12 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: Dave Jones It appears Dave Jones admitted he wants children shot. I suspect the same applies to parishioners. Scott - ----- Subject: Re: LPU: Fw: URGENT ACTION ALERT - Jan. 31 2000 - Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:01:10 -0600 From: afhotchkiss@ra.rockwell.com To: lputah@qsicorp.com Did anyone get the interview with Dave Jones yesterday on FOX13 at noon? I have requested a transcript from FOX but the statement that I heard him make is as follows; "I would not want someone with a gun in school to protect my child." To go to the extreme of using one's own children as cannon fodder to promote and support gun control is, in my opinion, the lowest form of rhetoric on the planet. People like this should not be allowed to continue as a public servant. Art - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 16:41:45 -0700 From: "David Sagers" Subject: Fwd: PRO Gun March & Petition & Update from Neal Knox Received: from fs1.mainstream.net by icarus.ci.west-valley.ut.us; Tue, 01 Feb 2000 16:35:26 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by fs1.mainstream.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11637; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:33:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002012333.SAA11637@fs1.mainstream.net> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:41:00 -0500 From: "Weldon Clark" To: Multiple-Recipients-noban@mainstream.net Subject: PRO Gun March & Petition & Update from Neal Knox Precedence: bulk Reply-To: noban@mainstream.net X-Divvy-no: 1 PRO Gun March & Petition & Update from Neal Knox From: Professor Joseph E. Olson and Leroy Pyle Please sign the petition at http://www.i-charity.net/sw.cgi/ptn/4 The Second Amendment Sisters have created an online petition against gun control to be submitted at the rally in DC on Mother's Day. As luck would have it, it's at the same place that the Million Mom Marchers have their petition. It was put up this evening, and can you believe that we've got more signatures than the MMM's do? Please help us out - sign and cross post this alert! See Knox's comments on this group. From: neal@nealknox.com (Neal Knox) Date: 01/29/2000, 10:36:04 PM Jan 29 update -- President Bill Clinton's State of the Union promise to put "gun control" at the front of this year's legislative agenda, and his upping the ante to require a handgun buyer's license complete with a "gun safety" test, may make it possible for Republicans to hold the House in this year's election. But if Republican leaders start caving on these issues -- deserting their base among gun owners, as they have shown a proclivity to do -- they will assure their loss of the House, and possibly even both houses of the Congress and the Presidency. Clinton's adoption of Al Gore's campaign issue came as a surprise -- although there had been rumors dating back to the mid- December summit meeting of leading Administration anti-gunners. But the structure of the Clinton handgun licensing program -- mandating the states to create the programs -- makes it less likely to get through Congress, much less get past the Supreme Court (which has been taking a dim view of state mandates). Requiring states to implement the Clinton-Gore program makes it less likely to get the "moderates" from both parties to support the plan. Further, by pulling the string on this radical program before obtaining passage of the Senate-passed and mostly House- approved Juvenile Justice gun amendments, Clinton is signaling once again that he doesn't care about passing "gun control" -- he mainly wants to argue about it during the 2000 campaign. If Republicans remember "who brung them to the dance" in 1994 -- and even Clinton acknowledged that it was the Democrats' passage of Brady and the "assault weapon" ban that gave Republicans their first Congressional majority in 40 years -- then Clinton and Gore will have made a huge political miscalculation. By such a major escalation of the "gun control" fight, Clinton should make it easier to stop both the handgun license and the package of gun bills we saw in 1999. Unless Republican leaders start folding. Strangely, it's all up to the Republicans. - --------------- While NRA apparently isn't doing anything to counter the Million Mom March on Mother's day, Second Amendment Sisters plans an Armed Informed Mothers' March (A.I.M.M.) for Sunday May 14 on the Mall in Washington D.C. "The purpose of A.I.M.M. is to ... let Congress know that we won't stand for having our right to defend our families ripped away," Dallas spokesman Kimberly J. Watson says. Right on, ladies. ******************************************************************** FIGHT THE MANDATORY TRIGGER LOCKS, PURCHASE LIMITS, LICENSING AND REGISTRATION. NEWS FROM THE SECOND AMENDMENT SISTERS 18484 Preston Road, Suite 102#141 Dallas, TX 75252 World Wide Web: http://www.SAS-AIM.org ========================================= FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ========================================= For additional information: Kimberly J. Watson, Spokesperson Toll-free Phone: (877) 271-6216 E-Mail: moms4guns@yahoo.com ========================================= Second Amendment Sisters Announce the Armed Informed Mothers' March DALLAS, TX, January 24, 2000 — The Second Amendment Sisters, a grassroots self-defense advocacy organization, has announced plans for the Armed Informed Mothers' March (A.I.M.M.), Sunday May 14, 2000, on the Mall in Washington D.C. "The purpose of A.I.M.M. is to get concerned women together and let Congress know that we won't stand for having our right to defend our families ripped away," said Kimberly J. Watson, one of the founders of the group. "We won't let this assault go on any longer." "Women deserve to have every option available to them when it comes to protecting themselves from violence," said Watson. "Any further erosion of the Second Amendment serves only to harm women and their families. Violent criminals don't care how many new laws are made for the children - in fact, a crush of new laws will make it that much easier for criminals to take advantage of children, and their mothers." In 1998, one out of every 33 women was a victim of a violent crime. Second Amendment Sisters (SAS) is the brainchild of a small group of women who decided to fight back against propaganda put forth by organizations, such as Handgun Control Inc., which are seeking to exclude the public from firearms ownership. SAS would like to use A.I.M.M. as an opportunity to teach the public things they might not know about laws that exist right now, and why the Second Amendment is important to the American people. They also want to emphasize the need for firearms-safety education, tougher sentencing for violent criminals, and greater parental involvement in the lives of children. "The women behind the Million Mom March are attacking the wrong end of the problem. Any inanimate object will just sit there until a person picks it up. What they do with it depends on what kind of respect they've been taught for human life," said Watson. "With A.I.M.M., we can make our voices heard. We have to stop treating the law-abiding citizens like criminals. Even Golda Meir was against playing politics on the backs of our children." *************************************************************** Call your CONGRESSMAN AND STATE LEGISLATORS now. This can now be accomplished at the speed of light, thanks to WorldNetDaily's new Legislative Action Center. http://congress.nw.dc.us/wnd/ You can call your two Senators at (202) 224-3121 and your Representative at (202) 225-3121 at the Capitol Switchboard. Here is the URL for Congressional Telephone Directory: http://clerkweb.house.gov/106/mbrcmtee/members/teledir/me mbers/cdframe.htm Here's an e-mail link to Congress. http://in-search-of.org/ http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ http://www.gunowners.org/mailerx.html For legislative updates contact www.nealknox.com and go to "Scripts from the Firearms Coalition Legislative Update Line" What To Do If The Police Come To Confiscate Your Militia Weapons see www.2ndamendment.net To spread the word call Rush Limbaugh at 800-282-2882 and callers may call in from 12 noon to 3PM EST, M-F ******************************************************************* From The 2ndAmendmentNews Team If you received this as a forward and wish to join please send: E-MAil to listserver@frostbit.com with the following text in the message body: SUBSCRIBE 2nd-Amendment-News We have had a computer error. 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If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. - --=_89D02439.52335F43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Anyone heard of this? - --=_89D02439.52335F43 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from hotmail.com (law-f282.hotmail.com [209.185.130.221]) by icarus.ci.west-valley.ut.us; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 08:39:28 -0700 Received: (qmail 94943 invoked by uid 0); 2 Feb 2000 15:40:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000202154016.94942.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.246.130.80 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 07:40:16 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.246.130.80] From: "David Sagers" To: dsagers@ci.west-valley.ut.us Subject: Fwd: EMERGENCY Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 07:40:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: philmurray@att.net >To: "David Sagers" >Subject: EMERGENCY >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 01:31:13 -0800 > >David, > >Please read the message below and contact your senators ASAP!!! You can >call the toll-free number at the end and leave a message for your senator >24 hours a day. > >"The only thing needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." > (Paraphrased - I don't remember the exact quote or author, but you get >the idea!) > >Thanks! >Phil >-----Original Message----- >From: Gun Owners of America >To: goamail@gunowners.org >Date: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 6:53 PM >Subject: U.S. Senate Emergency Alert > > > >Backdoor Gun Control to be Voted on in the Senate > > -- Your Senators must hear from you immediately > > > >Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert > >8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 > >Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 > >http://www.gunowners.org > > > > > >(Tuesday, February 1, 2000) -- As early as tomorrow morning, the > >Senate is expected to vote on an amendment to the bankruptcy bill, > >offered by Michigan anti-gun Senator Carl Levin, which would take a > >major step toward eliminating the manufacture and sales of firearms > >in America. > > > >Currently, 30 counties and municipalities have brought frivolous > >suits against gun manufacturers and dealers. In some cases, these > >manufacturers have had to fight to force their insurance companies > >to defend them in this politically motivated litigation. > > > >The Levin amendment would provide that, if a Leftist judge, such as > >New York's Jack Weinstein, entered an enormous judgment against a > >firearms manufacturer or dealer, the manufacturer or dealer could > >not avoid the judgment by declaring bankruptcy, even if the judgment > >massively exceeded the total assets of the manufacturer or dealer. > > > >The purpose of the Levin amendment is obvious: to insure, even if > >the gun industry is successful in defeating 29 out of 30 politically > >motivated suits, that a single substantial loss can destroy every major > >American firearms manufacturer -- and ruin the lives of the owners and > >managers. No one should assume that firearms will continue to be made or > >sold if this occurs. > > > >No other American industry is singled out for punishment in this > >way. > > > >Obviously, a secondary goal of the Levin amendment is to pressure > >dealers and manufacturers to bargain away your Second Amendment > >rights in order to avoid the possibility of such a disastrous > >non-dischargeable judgment. > > > >ACTION: Call or e-mail your two Senators and ask them to vote to > >table (kill) the Levin anti-gun amendment to the bankruptcy bill (S. > >625). Let them know that the purpose of frivolous anti-gun lawsuits is > >nothing less than the elimination of firearms manufacture and sales in > >our country. Remember that the vote will probably occur on Wednesday > >morning, February 2. > > > >You can reach your Senators toll-free at 1-888-449-3511, or at > >202-224-3121. E-mail addresses and fax numbers are available on the > >GOA website. > > > >************** > >Cheaper Than Dirt donates a percentage of your total order to GOA if you > >use http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/goa.htm to enter their online store. > > > >************** > >Did someone else forward this to you? To be certain of getting up to date > >information, please consider subscribing to the GOA E-Mail Alert Network > >directly. There is no cost or obligation, and the volume of mail is quite > >low. To subscribe, simply send a message to goamail@gunowners.org and > >include the state in which you live, in either the subject or the body. > >To unsubscribe, reply to any alert and ask to be removed. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --=_89D02439.52335F43-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:41:29 -0700 From: "Karl Pearson" Subject: RE: EMERGENCY I've not heard of it... Any news yet? Karl L. Pearson Senior uniVerse Database/Systems Analyst karlp@ut.colubs.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Sagers Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:31 AM To: Tulimanu@Hotmail.com; hcmpouls@ihc.com; rserzen@sisna.com; sagernw@thiokol.com; utah-firearms@xmission.com Subject: Fwd: EMERGENCY Anyone heard of this? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:44:37 -0700 From: "David Sagers" Subject: RE: EMERGENCY Karl I'll call Hatch's office and see if they can give me any info. >>> "Karl Pearson" 02/02/00 11:41AM >>> I've not heard of it... Any news yet? Karl L. Pearson Senior uniVerse Database/Systems Analyst karlp@ut.colubs.com=20 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Sagers Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:31 AM To: Tulimanu@Hotmail.com; hcmpouls@ihc.com; rserzen@sisna.com; sagernw@thiokol.com; utah-firearms@xmission.com=20 Subject: Fwd: EMERGENCY Anyone heard of this? - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:10:48 -0700 From: "Karl Pearson" Subject: Gun Laws By State Database Here's a link to a database of gun control legislation by state. I'm not advocating support for the site. It's just a resource worth checking out. http://www.handguncontrol.org/database/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:37:23 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: Republicans for social engineering? - ----- Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:04:32 -0700 From: righter@therighter.com Folks, I need some help. HB 91, tax credits for safes, will be heard tomorrow at 8 AM in the House Revenue and Taxation Committee. The bill is being supported by USSC (and probably the NRA). UTGuns is OPPOSING it. I'm unaware of GOUtah's position. Supporters of the bill say it's "good for gun owners" because the government will "give" them up to $150 if they buy a safe. Opponents say it will start the slippery slope toward mandatory storage laws - which make self-defense impossible unless you're strong enough to throw the safe at a criminal, that it will facilitate registration, and that it helps promote the propaganda that all guns should be locked up at all times. But it's NOT a gun issue, it's a question of principle. It's an issue of big government meddling in private matters and using its considerable force to effect "social engineering". Even if it were an absolutely clean bill to help gun owners, it's WRONG, and should be opposed. Conservatives don't like being forced to pay for things they find objectionable - things like government collection of union dues, government-funded abortions, and socialist brainwashing camps disguised as public schools. Why then should we support forcing other people to pay for gun safes - even people who (however misguided they are!) oppose private ownership of firearms? If tax credits for social engineering are wrong, they're wrong no matter who stands to benefit. Conservatives and Republicans should not be supporting this nonsense! Government doesn't pay you to wear a safety helmet, child-proof your home, or put a fence around your property. It shouldn't pay you to buy a safe either. HB 91 is sponsored by Chad Bennion. It is a bipartisan bill (which should always raise a red flag!) with many co-sponsors. Sponsors are: Matt Throckmorton David M. Jones Greg J. Curtis Thomas V. Hatch Bradley T. Johnson Bill Wright Brad King Kory M. Holdaway I'd also like to emphasize that I am most definitely NOT accusing anyone of malice in relation to this bill. With the possible exception of notorious gun-grabber Dave Jones, I believe they all are sincerely trying to do something good and helpful. (That's really how we got into the big government mess we're in now - too many good, sincere, people trying to use government to "help".) Committee members are: Rep. Raymond W. Short , Chair 801-277-1372 Rep. Wayne A. Harper , Vice Chair 801-566-5466 Rep. Eli H. Anderson 435-854-3760 Rep. Melvin R. Brown 801-243-9122 Rep. Judy Ann Buffmire 801-266-1862 Rep. Greg J. Curtis 801-943-3091 Rep. Kevin S. Garn 801-544-3533 Rep. James R. Gowans 435-882-2120 Rep. Karen W. Morgan 801-943-0067 Rep. Evan L. Olsen 435-752-4304 Rep. Loraine T. Pace 435-753-6154 Rep. Tammy J. Rowan 801-224-6141 Rep. Jack A. Seitz 435-789-0650 Rep. Glenn L. Way 801-798-2295 Please help me explain to these folks that tax credits for social engineering are not a solution to anything! (And since I know someone will ask - While I have some philosophical objections to tuition tax credits, I don't consider them "tax credits". I consider them "tax rebates" for the exorbitant amount of taxes I'm forced to pay for the biggest social (or is that socialist?) engineering project in human history.) Comments (and objections!) are welcome! Thanks! Sarah - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 09:15:11 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: URGENT ACTION ALERT - ---------- From: "Utah Shooting Sports Council" Subject: URGENT ACTION ALERT Date: Wed, Feb 2, 2000, 8:56 PM URGENT ACTION ALERT - February 2, 2000 - (HB 95 Gun Show Background Checks) Daily update on status of every gun bill is available at http://www.UtahShootingSports.org Anti-gun Rep. Dave Jones is pushing a "gun show background check" scheme that does not control crime, only intrudes into lawful transactions between private individuals. This bill will be heard by the House Criminal Justice and Law enforcement Committee at 9:00 Friday February 4, 2000 in room 225. Full text of HB 95 is available at http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2000/bills/hbillint/HB0095.htm Your strong support and immediate action is needed to defeat this good sounding but totally useless scheme. Start contacting committee members immediately and please make every effort to attend the hearing as well. (We apologize for calling for action on another bill so soon, but this one must be defeated too.) This bad idea will surely be followed by a worse one, to force every private gun transaction to be made through a dealer. SB 44 has already been introduced covering every handgun transfer in the state, even the temporary loan of a gun at a shooting range. ** Gun show background checks are being addressed by federal legislation. It is foolish to pass state requirements which will create impossible conflicts with the federal requirements. ** Neither Utah nor federal authorities are prosecuting criminals who illegally buy guns now. Thousands of such offenses have been documented by the Department of Public Safety but prosecutions are at or near ZERO! There is no justification for imposing meaningless bureaucratic requirements which only harass citizens and do nothing to put criminals in jail. ** This can be used to accomplish defacto registration of every gun and every gun buyer and seller, and invade the privacy of any buyer or seller with no safeguards. ** Numerous terms are contradictory, vague or undefined and serve only to entrap the innocent gun owner or buyer. - ---The definition of "gun show or event" is vague and would apply to virtually any time ten or more gun owners gather for any purpose. - ---Who is an exhibitor? Someone with a table, or someone who brought in grandpa's old shotgun to sell? - ---What is an "antique firearm'? - ---What is a transfer? When you simply hand a gun to another person? - ---How does the BCI Division setting up a location enter into a private transaction? Will they be liable for the safety or legality of the firearm? What records will they be allowed or required to keep? ** It imposes impossible requirements for transfer via entities that may not be present at what is defined as a "gun show or event." ** This is more like an excuse to charge people fees for a background check and drive up the cost of firearms by fees and nuisance charges. ** This is more "gun control" aimed at harassing law abiding citizens with little or no impact on criminal activity. ** Schemes trying to force non-dealer firearms transfers into a background check system serve only as a step toward the ultimate registration of all guns and licensing of all gun owners. Neither step has ever proven effective in reducing crime, and they are only needed only as the basis for confiscation. Please plan to attend this hearing if possible. And please contact committee members and politely but firmly insist that they OPPOSE HB 95. (R) Bud Bowman, Chairman dbowman@le.state.ut.us 435-586-8174 (R) Jack A. Seitz, Vice Chairman jseitz@le.state.ut.us 435-789-0650 (R) Loraine Pace lpace@le.state.ut.us 435-753-6154 (R) Blake D. Chard, bchard@le.state.ut.us 801-773-7474 (R) Carl Saunders, csaunder@le.state.ut.us 801-476-1110 (R) Nora Stephens, nstephen@le.state.ut.us 801-825-3792 (R) Susan Koehn, skoehn@le.state.ut.us 801-296-1761 (R) David L. Hogue, dhogue@le.state.ut.us 801-254-1668 (D) Perry L. Buckner, pbuckner@le.state.ut.us 801-964-8215 (D) Duane Bourdeaux, dbourdea@le.state.ut.us 801-596-8784 (D) Trisha Beck, tbeck@le.state.ut.us 801-572-2325. You can send a FAX to any house member at 801-538-1908 If this alert was forwarded to you by someone other than USSC you can sign up for alerts by sending an E-mail to addalerts@UtahShootingSports.org Please forward this e-mail to anyone you think may be interested. For anyone who does not have Internet access, the latest Utah legislative updates are available by telephone. The number is 801-299-7230. Visit our web-site at: http://www.UtahShootingSports.org for the latest news and membership applications. To be removed from the USSC E-Mail Action Alert list, send an e-mail to: dropalerts@UtahShootingSports.org Thanks for your time. Provided by the Utah Shooting Sports Council, Box 1975, Layton, UT 84041-6975 - - ------------------------------ End of utah-firearms-digest V2 #176 ***********************************