From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #183 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Thursday, March 9 2000 Volume 02 : Number 183 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:57:29 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 3-2: HUGE VICTORY FOR GUN OWNERS! - ----- WE DID IT FOLKS! WE DID FAR BETTER THAN ANY OF US COULD HAVE EXPECTED! THANKS TO ALL OF YOU! The tally: Of 17 anti-gun bill, only 5 passed - and not one contained "major" gun control. Twelve anti-gun bills were defeated or never had a vote. In addition, both asset forfeiture bills went down. One pro-gun bill passed. The list: Anti-gun bills that passed: HB 161: Juvenile Brady (Tyler): Unconstitutional "ex post facto" law. Includes juvenile records in background checks. HB 176: Weapons Restrictions for Mentally Ill (G. Cox): Deals only with REPORTING to BCI, not prohibited persons. Requires reporting of anyone who has EVER been committed to a mental institution, and anyone subject to a "protective order". This information will be used, in conjunction with other bills, to deny firearms rights. HB 245: Safety in Public Schools (Wright): Expulsion of students who bring guns to school. Mandatory expulsion for real guns, conditional expulsion for toy guns. NO mandatory expulsion for violent crimes that do not involve guns. (It is already illegal for anyone other than a law enforcement officer or CCW permittee to bring a gun to school, so this is unnecessary!) HB 372 - Concealed Firearms (Garn, Cox, Waddoups): Allows BCI to revoke certification of concealed carry instructors; makes other minor changes to concealed carry law. SB 72 - Restricted persons (Spencer): Unconstitutional ex post facto law. Revokes firearms rights for life for anyone who has ever been committed to a mental institution. Revokes rights for 7-10 years for anyone adjudicated delinquent for a felony level offense. Revokes rights for life for anyone in possession of a firearm and a Schedule I controlled substance (street drug). Anti-gun bills that were defeated: HB 95 - Weapons Amendments (Jones) Would have mandated background checks and registration for all private firearms transfers at gun shows. In order to enforce this, all attendees at gun shows would have to be registered. HB 174 - Public Safety Fee Process Revisions (Chard) Would have allowed BCI to raise fees for background checks and permits (among others) without legislative oversight. HB 248 - Weapons Restrictions - Houses of Worship, Residences and Schools (Jones) Would have banned firearms in schools, churches and private residences unless the person carrying the firearm had prior permission to do so. HB 363 - Gun Restriction Amendments (G. Cox) Would have revoked firearms rights for juveniles adjudicated delinquent for felony offenses or anyone ever committed to a mental institution. Would have revoked rights for nonviolent misdemeanors. HB 383 - Revocation of Concealed Firearm Permits (Brown) Would have outlawed open carry, as well as all shooting sports SB 32 - Concealed Permit Holders Requirements (R. Allen) Would have required a marksmanship test to obtain a concealed carry permit. SB 161 - Restrictions on Weapons - Schools (Beattie) Would have required a person lawfully carrying a firearm to report to the principal's office when entering a school and "confess" that he was carrying a firearm. Would have made it possible for schools to harass or dismiss employees who chose to carry firearms. SB 162 - Restrictions on Weapons - Churches (Beattie) Would have required a person lawfully carrying a firearm to ask permission of a church authority in order to do so. Anti-gun bills that never made it to a vote: SB 44 - Background check on Private Handgun Transfers (Peterson) Would have required a background check and registration of all private handgun transfers. Would have allowed local law enforcement to outlaw private transfers. SB 79 - Weapons Restrictions Amendments (Spencer) Would have revoked firearms rights for a long list of misdemeanors SB 87 - Firearms Amendments - Churches and Residences (Peterson) Would have banned the lawful carry of firearms in churches and private residences without prior permission SB 153 - Criminal Penalty Amendments (Spencer) Would have revoked firearms rights for a long list of misdemeanors Pro-gun bills passed: HB 199 - Limitation of Liability for Gun Manufacturers (Throckmorton) - - Prohibits frivolous lawsuits against firearms manufacturers. Asset forfeiture bills defeated: HB 173 - Computer forfeiture (Buckner) - Would have allowed seizure of computer equipment and data for trivial offenses. Owner would be required to prove his property's innocence. No provisions for payment of legal fees for innocent owners. HB 124 - Asset Forfeiture (Wright, Swallow) - Did not address problem of federal adoption of forfeitures, without which other reforms are not effective. Bill sponsors agreed to hold this bill for future study. Misc. losses HB 296 - Prevention of Retaliatory Lawsuits (Lockhart) Would have prevented lawsuits designed to silence activists. The Senate repeatedly refused to vote on this bill, so it expired at midnight. Full voting records are not yet available. However, once they are, voting records and the UTGuns legislative ratings will be made public. Full report on the shameful and deceitful goings on during the last hours of the session to follow! However, Rep. John Swallow deserves a LOT of credit for being the ONLY Representative trying to work WITH gun owners. Thanks to ALL of you for your hard work, calls, letters, attendance at hearings, etc. The 2000 legislative session was a huge victory for gun owners, and YOU deserve credit! THANK YOU! Your dedication is very much appreciated! Unfortunately, now is not the time to relax! While final ratings are not yet available, the number of solidly pro-gun, pro-rights legislators on the Hill is ZERO! If you don't want to spend another two years battling full time just to slow down the destruction of your rights, you need to get involved and help us CLEAN HOUSE (and Senate)! This is the ONLY way (or at least the only peaceful way) to restore and defend our rights! Please take a minute NOW to go to the UTGuns Delegate information and sign-up page at http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/volunteer.html. We have good, principled, pro-gun, pro-liberty people running for office, but they need YOUR help! PLEASE join us! The rights you save will be your own! Thanks again! Sarah - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 17:04:26 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: LP RELEASE: Child Shooting Study: Gun training (not gun bans) can help reduce tragic child violence WASHINGTON, DC -- The shooting of a Michigan 6-year-old may focus renewed attention on a federal study with an unconventional conclusion: Giving kids more access to guns may actually help reduce such tragic incidents in the future, the Libertarian Party said today. "Instead of using the death of Kayla Rolland as an excuse to impose more gun control, politicians like Bill Clinton should read this study -- since it demonstrates that children who are taught by parents to use guns responsibly are far less likely to commit crimes," said Steve Dasbach, the party's national director. "No, we can't say that this particular shooting could have been prevented -- or that this troubled 6-year-old should have been given a gun by his equally troubled parents. But what we can say is that, in general, the most effective way to reduce firearm-related violence among children is to buy them a gun and teach them how to use it responsibly." That surprising discovery is contained in a study by the federal government entitled, "Urban Delinquency and Substance Abuse," which was conducted from 1993-1995 by the U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention. In an effort to determine the relationship between "problem behaviors" like drug use, teen pregnancy, and crime, child psychologists tracked 4,000 boys and girls aged 6 to 15 in Denver, Pittsburgh, and Rochester, NY. The findings were a slap in the face to "conventional wisdom" about children and guns, said Dasbach -- and a sharp rebuke to Bill Clinton's renewed calls for mandatory trigger locks and other gun control measures in the wake of Tuesday's shooting in Mount Morris Township, Michigan. According to the study: * Children who get guns from their parents don't commit gun crimes (0%), while children who get illegal guns are very likely to do so (21%). * Children who get guns from parents are less likely to commit any kind of street crime (14%) than children who have no gun in the house (24%) -- and are dramatically less likely to do so than children who acquire an illegal gun (74%). * Children who get guns from parents are less likely to use drugs (13%) than children who get illegal guns (41%). "Boys who own legal firearms have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use [than boys who get illegal guns] and are even slightly less delinquent than non-owners of guns," the study reported. "The evidence is in: When it comes to preventing youthful violence, responsible parents and the Second Amendment apparently work better than politicians' irresponsible proposals, such as so-called smart-gun technology or mandated safety locks," said Dasbach. Are Libertarians saying that every parent should buy their child a gun? "Of course not," said Dasbach. "Deciding whether to give your son or daughter a gun -- and teaching them how to use it -- is a serious decision that every parent will have to make. Many parents will properly decide that their children are not mature enough to learn how to use a gun safely. But the point is: Responsible parents are better able to make that decision than a bunch of irresponsible politicians in Washington, DC. "Such an enlightened approach to gun ownership will not bring Kayla Rolland back to life," Dasbach acknowledged. "But it would make it less likely that another Kayla Rolland would die in such a tragic and pointless incident. And that would be a step in the right direction." # # # - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 17:09:25 -0800 From: Joe Waldron Subject: KING COUNTY (WA) GUN POLL Gun-grabbing King County Executive Ron Sims has placed a gun question on the weekly poll at the KC web site. Located in the column on the left (where else?), the question reads, "In general, do you think that laws covering firearm sales should be more strict, less strict, or kept the same?" Your proper response would be appreciated. (BTW, this is the King County of Kellerman "43 times" fame.) Many thanks to King County Councilman Kent Pullen for the early warning. The poll will remain on the site through next Thursday. The web site is located at http://www.metrokc.gov/exec/ Thanx, Joe W - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:07:33 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: March 5 columns -- blame schools, not guns Thought some here might find this perspective interesting... ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control - --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Vin Suprynowicz To: vinsends@ezlink.com Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:49:26 -0800 Subject: March 5 columns -- blame schools, not guns FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA EDITORS NOTE: A SHORTER VERSION, AT 850 WORDS, ALSO MOVES FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED MARCH 5, 2000 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Government schools: a deadly experiment It isn't really about race. It hardly suffices for the "multiculturalists" that the children of successful black judges and movie stars now go peacefully to school with wealthy white kids (for which equality under capitalism, let us give thanks.) Nor have they ever much cared that the main victims of their racial quotas (at least here in the West) turned out to be not "sons of slave-owners," but rather deserving Asians, whose forebears were also an oppressed minority. No, the goal of the "multiculturalist" movement -- a goal so dominant that even basic literacy is happily sacrificed -- is to infiltrate the American middle class with the offspring of the liberals' "new plantation," the fatherless welfare homes of our crime-infested inner cities. The result? A six-year-old boy -- passed from hand to hand since his father was jailed for a home invasion and finally living in a fatherless crack house full of drugs, stolen guns, and other loot -- shot a first-grade classmate to death in Michigan this week. Such crimes occur only in the mandatory government schools. In private schools -- where admission is selective and voluntary, and kids who stab each other with pencils are expelled -- such horrors are virtually unknown. Nor do we see home-schoolers committing such crimes (though the statists never tire of warning us home-schooled children will not be "properly socialized"!) This tiny killer is not some innocent who picked up an unfamiliar object and brought it to "show-and-tell." While on parole in December, his father, Dedric Owens, asked the child why he had committed violent offenses that led to his earlier suspensions from school -- suspensions at the age of six. According to Genessee County Sheriff Robert Picknell, "He said that the kid told him he did it because 'I hate them.' " Gee, where could the kid have copped that attitude, in a society where whites who victimize blacks because of their skin color receive "hate crime sentence enhancements," while racism is hardly ever mentioned in the prosecution of black murderers who declare "You're all white trash, racist pigs" (this week's guest quote courtesy of one Ronald Taylor, charged in Wilkinsburg, Pa. in the shooting deaths of three white males -- two others critically wounded -- after he apparently grew upset that white workmen worked too slowly repairing his broken door.) In the real world, tens of thousands more parents of children now interned in these squalid government camps -- operated more and more on the model of penal institutions, complete with body searches and metal detectors, properly preparing their little inmates for the police state of our future -- will now quietly move their kids into private schools, or finally resolve to homeschool their children, regardless of the financial sacrifice required. But since it's "politically incorrect," don't expect to hear about this swelling tide on TV. Instead, the national whining will be the usual, "Whatever can we do to rid ourselves of these dreaded guns?" The standard lie is that guns are more readily available and accepted these days, when in fact child gunshot deaths have been dropping for decades, and our nation is currently seized in a paroxysm of paranoia about these tools of freedom: Airport police now seizing the little plastic guns that come with Christmas G.I. Joe sets; while our banks (I mean Citibank, subject of a national boycott by the Second Amendment Foundation after closing the account of the Nevada Pistol Academy for being a "gun-related business"), insurance companies (like the ones that now refuse fire and liability coverage to Las Vegas pawn shops that deal in guns), fire marshals (I refer to the guys who now seek to ban "Cheaper Than Dirt" for selling ammo via mail-order out of Fort Worth, Tex., as that company has done for years), and even national shipping firms (let's hypothetically call one of them "UPS") either raise rates, cut off service, or threaten to arrest legal, licensed firearms dealers as though they were spreading the bubonic plague. Imagine the public sitting similarly silent if such a full-court press were now being applied to the First Amendment, making it progressively harder for private churches or newspapers to stay in business. This in distinct contrast to the peaceful 1950s, when fewer than half our kids finished high school (no "drop-out crisis" perceived) and when - -- as recalled by retired Las Vegas auctioneer Robert Deiro -- the basement of Frazier Hall held an armory full of M-1 Garands and a rifle range used for authorized practices and matches of Las Vegas High School's award-winning rifle team. Gun control has been tried. In Australia, criminals now more confident their victims will be disarmed have increased armed robberies by 44 percent. In England, where they finally finished banning civilian ownership of handguns completely last year, staid London newspapers now dub industrial Manchester "Gunchester," and the once proudly unarmed British bobbies complain they're completely outgunned by youth gangs who now simply stock up on fully-automatic AK-47 assault rifles, fresh out of the containers in which they arrive daily from Eastern Europe. To the extent that they do work, civilian gun bans lead to genocide, as Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership have exhaustively demonstrated. But apparently guns still make a handy voodoo doll in which our statist media can stick their pins, in preference to focusing on the real problem: the fact that fruitcake bureaucrats now control our children's lives from ages 6 to 18. There, in keeping with the flawed 1930s notion that there exist "a limited number of jobs" which must be protected for adult male heads of household (the same justification employed to pressure "Rosie the Riveter" out of the workforce in 1946, and to set earnings limits on Social Security beneficiaries, which goofiness the House of Representatives finally voted to overturn only this week) our children are rounded up, bored to tears, and increasingly treated like dangerous inmates until they end up (start ital)acting(end ital) like dangerous inmates. Take, for example, the reason I found myself talking to Mr. Deiro this week. He called to explain how his son, Guy Robert Deiro, who now runs the family auction business (and who just finished a two-year stint as president of the Boys and Girls Club of Henderson) decided to do a good deed recently, hiring a 17-year-old kid from a fatherless Las Vegas home to work as a runner -- driving contracts around town -- in his after-school hours, at $9 per hour. Because he hired the lad 28 days prior to his 17th birthday, the younger Mr. Deiro relates, the state Labor Department fined him $2,800 and threatened to add penalties of 6 percent per day for any additional days he employed the young man, unless the lad took a mandated $3,000 commercial driving course. "I had to let him go," Guy Robert Deiro explains. "He can't afford $3,000 to go to some dumb driving school. In addition to the $9 an hour, I was paying his car insurance, plus 21 cents a mile. I thought I was doing the kid a favor -- frying hamburgers and french fries is more dangerous than this job, and it was a way for him to learn the business, work his way up. It's absolutely absurd. It's big government getting in the way of people trying to hire kids and show 'em a work ethic." Yet let some such lad eventually turn to a life of crime as the only option left him by our meddlesome government masters, and what will we hear? "How could this have happened? It must be the guns." Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. His book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available by dialing 1-800-244-2224; or via web site http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html. *** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------ If you have subscribed to vinsends@ezlink.com and you wish to unsubscribe, send a message to vinsends-request@ezlink.com, from your OLD address, including the word "unsubscribe" (with no quotation marks) in the "Subject" line. To subscribe, send a message to vinsends-request@ezlink.com, from your NEW address, including the word "subscribe" (with no quotation marks) in the "Subject" line. All I ask of electronic subscribers is that they not RE-forward my columns until on or after the embargo date which appears at the top of each, and that (should they then choose to do so) they copy the columns in their entirety, preserving the original attribution. The Vinsends list is maintained by Alan Wendt in Colorado, who may be reached directly at alan@ezlink.com. The web sites for the Suprynowicz column are at http://www.infomagic.com/liberty/vinyard.htm, and http://www.nguworld.com/vindex. The Vinyard is maintained by Michael Voth in Flagstaff, who may be reached directly at mvoth@infomagic.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:44:46 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Guns in School study info from World Congress of Families I have no info other than that which I am passing along here and have not even looked at the web links. But I thought you might find this interesting. - -----Original Message----- From: World Congress of Families [mailto:secretariat@worldcongress.org] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 9:10 AM An easier-to read, formatted, HTML version is normally available by 9AM CT on the issue date at http://www.worldcongress.org/WCF/wcf_update.htm Copyright © 2000 The Howard Center, All rights reserved - ---------------------------------------------------- World Congress of Families Update, Online! 6 March 2000 Volume 01 Issue 01 A Free Email Newsletter - ---------------------------------------------------- [snip] - ---------------------------------------------------- 9. Family Research Abstract of the Week - ---------------------------------------------------- “Public officials concerned about students’ bringing guns to school have pushed hard for stricter gun-control laws. Maybe they need to redirect some of their activism into initiatives to pass tougher divorce-control laws. In a study recently completed at Indiana University - Purdue University, Ft. Wayne, researcher David C. May identified family structure as a stronger predictor of carrying guns to high school in Mississippi, a state with a particularly high rate of gun ownership. data collected from about 5,000 students indicate that youth from single-parent or ‘disrupted’ families were ‘significantly more likely than their counterparts from two-parent homes to carry firearms to school.’ What is more, this linkage between family structure and gun-carrying persists even in multi-variable statistical models which take into account such things as ‘neighborhood civility,’ ‘fear of criminal victimization,’ and ‘social control.’” (Source: David C. May, “Scared Kids, Unattached Kids, or Peer Pressure: Why Do Students Carry Firearms to School?” Youth & Society, Vol. 31, No. 1 (September 1999), pp. 100-127.) You will find over 1,000 of similar research abstracts on the “Members” section of The Howard Center web site at http://www.profam.org ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:07:29 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: NRA Directors NRA voting members please take note. - ----- Subject: [Fwd: NRA E.V.P. Wayne LaPierre gives 2nd amendment rights away!] Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:36:41 -0700 From: "Arnold J. Gaunt" Please read through the following message. It helps to explain why the NRA Executive Vice President so strongly supports Orrin Hatch. They both support the enactment of more gun control. If you are a voting member of the NRA (as I am), register your opposition by voting for those who are in the DO NOT VOTE FOR: list in the political advertisement immediately preceding the ballot package in the March magazine. These 14 director candidates will oppose the gun control agenda being pursued by the NRA. Arnold - ----- Subject: NRA E.V.P. Wayne LaPierre gives 2nd amendment rights away! Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:55:43 -0600 From: GOA-Texas To: email-subscribers@goa-texas.org - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE !!ALERT!! Chris W. Stark - Director P.O. Box 1924 Crosby, Texas 77532-1924 Ph. 1-281-787-4111 Fax 1-281-328-7505 http://www.GOA-Texas.org email: Director@GOA-Texas.org 04 March 2000 ++++++++++++++++++ NRA E.V.P. Wayne LaPierre gives 2nd amendment rights away! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Copyright © 2000 by http://www.NealKnox.com Republication permitted ONLY if this e-mail alert is left intact in its original state. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just more hard proof of how we desperately need to elect staunch pro-gun NRA Board of Directors that will not compromise our 2nd amendment rights away. LaPierre & Heston need to be given their walking papers too. To voice your disgust with NRA policies, first of all, VOTE the compromisers out by going to http://www.goa-texas.org/BoD-1.htm then call the NRA and voice your disgust at: 1-800-NRA-3888 or 1-703-267-1000 or e-mail: membership@nrahq.org Additional NRA abuses can be found at http://www.goa-texas.org/NRA.htm Time to light up Congressional switchboards and apply the heat! For a list of phone numbers for U.S. House of Representatives and Senators, go to: http://www.gunowners.org/h106th.htm http://www.gunowners.org/s106th.htm With Respect, Gun Owners Alliance Chris W. Stark - Director # # # # # # # # # # http://www.nealknox.com/alerts/msg00249.html March 4 Neal Knox Update - President Clinton has called a meeting for Tuesday with Congressional leaders to demand passage of his package of gun laws. On Wednesday, he was on the NBC Today show and CBS Dan Rather declaring that NRA has a stranglehold on Congress and is opposed to all gun laws. On Thursday, NRA E.V.P. Wayne LaPierre was on NBC Today detailing what all new gun proposals NRA supported. He listed last June's House-approved gun package which included a requirement that dealers sell trigger locks with each handgun, requiring NICS checks on pawn shop redemption's, banning importation of over-10-round magazines not included in the 1994 ban, prohibiting "unsupervised" access by juveniles to "assault weapons" and high-cap magazines, a lifetime ban on gun ownership for juveniles convicted of violent offenses, and mandatory background checks on buyers from gun shows table operators. While show host Katie Couric wasn't impressed by the list of gun laws NRA supports, NRA members lit up NRA's phones and the Internet, insisting that many of those provisions violated the Second Amendment. LaPierre informed Couric that it was the House Democrats, with White House backing, who killed the entire gun package because it didn't have Sen. Lautenberg's draconian gun show background check bill -- which could kill gun shows due to its almost impossible-to-meet requirements on show sponsors. Sen. Lautenberg, during a press conferences with Sens. Richard Durbin and Charles Schumer this week, stated that his intent was to eliminate gun shows entirely. His amendment would go a long ways toward that goal. With Clinton declaring that his trigger lock package would have saved the First Grader killed in Michigan -- which is patently ludicrous since the murder gun was stolen and found in a crack house -- most of the focus of Tuesday's meeting is likely to be directed toward trigger locks. Virginia Rep. Tom Davis, chairman of the Republican House reelection effort, sponsored the amendment requiring handguns to be sold with trigger locks or other security devices last June. With NRA's blessing, it passed 311-115. Gov. George Bush said Wednesday that if such a bill came to his desk he would sign it, but he felt use of such devices should be up to the homeowner. He asked if advocates of requiring trigger locks to be kept installed wanted Federal "trigger lock police" to assure compliance. The sticking point in Clinton's package is, as it was last June, the NRA-backed gun show amendment by Rep. John Dingell, which would impose workable requirements on gun show promoters and allow an "Instant Check" to take no more than 24 hours instead of Lautenberg's five business days. Clinton is again unlikely to allow the NRA-backed package to pass unless it has the NRA-opposed Lautenberg's gun show amendment, for he wants to keep the gun issue alive, particularly "trigger locks." However, if the press begins to report the political game- playing over trigger locks, Clinton and the Republican leadership, at least Speaker Dennis Hastert and Judiciary Chairman Henry Hyde -- might yet agree to pass the trigger lock bill and the other NRA-backed provisions. The reaction of other House Republicans, led by Majority Leader Dick Armey and Whip Tom Delay, and the 40 or so pro-gun Democrats, led by Rep. Dingell, is a bigger question. Clinton may well figure that he has more than enough other pending gun law demands to take nine-tenths of a loaf now, but I don't expect that to happen until he's had a few more months to wring the maximum crocodile political tears out of trigger locks. # # # # # Isn't it amazing that a reportedly recent Houston sharpened screwdriver murder of one grade school kid by another has had no national publicity? 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(HCI) figures, recently asserted that "13 kids" are killed by guns each day in America. "That statement is fraudulent," according to civil rights activist Aaron Zelman. "Americans should demand full disclosure. We’re getting half-truths and lies." Documents obtained from HCI reveal the deception: the "13 kids" figure includes people "ages 19 and under." Using that category, legal adults ages 18 and 19 are misleadingly counted as "kids." Zelman noted "if a salesman sold you a home or car by giving you doctored information, then you could sue him for fraud. HCI is steering Clinton to defraud Americans using trick data." Using the deceptive HCI figures, the Clinton administration claims that more victim disarmament laws (euphemistically called "gun control") will save young children’s lives. Actual data from the National Center for Health Statistics (NCSH) prove otherwise. Less than 0.3% of all victims of lethal misuse of firearms were children under 5 years of age. Less than .07% of the total deaths from firearms misuse were accident victims under age 5. "Saying that toddlers are shooting one another with guns is an outright lie," Zelman stated. "Americans prevent crimes about 5,500 times per day using firearms. HCI is concealing that fact." NCSH reported firearms-related deaths in America for 1997 totaling 32,436. There were 9 victims under one year of age, 75 victims between one and four years of age, and 546 victims between five and fourteen years of age. These figures correspond to 0.03%, 0.23%, and 1.6%, respectively. "The true figures show that over 98% of people killed by firearms misuse are not young children," Zelman observed. So-called "gun safety devices" can have little or no effect on firearms misuse. Linda Gorman, a researcher at the Independence Institute, recently concluded that "most of the proposed ’safe storage’ measures can be defeated by 15-year-olds." Devices such as mandatory trigger locks would not "have much effect on suicides or homicides in older age groups," Gorman noted. Darrell Huff, author of How to Lie With Statistics, wrote that "a well-wrapped statistic is better than Hitler’s ’big lie’; it misleads, yet it cannot be pinned on you." Zelman vowed his organization would "pin these false stats on the people who try to fool the American public." - --- 30 --- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:58:51 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: Cato Daily Dispatch - 3/8 BAD AIM ON GUNS President Clinton earned a strong rebuke from Sen. Orrin Hatch (R - Utah), chairman of a House-Senate negotiating committee on gun control, after a much publicized Oval Office meeting where the president pressured Congress to act on gun legislation, according to The New York Times. (http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/washpol/clinton-guns.html) "We're poles apart on what can or cannot be done," Sen. Hatch said. He accused the White House of trying to ban gun shows and refused to convene his committee. Clinton renewed his call for gun restriction yesterday by releasing a Justice Department study which claims that juvenile homicides and suicides decline when youths have less access to guns, according to The Washington Post (http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22040-2000Mar6.html) "This study shows the single best thing we can do to reduce juvenile violent crime is to keep guns out of the hands of young people," said Bruce Reed, Clinton's top domestic adviser. Administration officials said House Republicans and Democrats possibly will reach an accord on gun shows, which would put heavy pressure on the Senate to join. They noted that in yesterday's meeting, the House GOP leader on the issue, Rep. Henry J. Hyde (R - Illinois), sounded more conciliatory than Hatch. Referring to the leader of the House Democratic conferees, Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D - Michigan), Hyde told reporters: "John Conyers and I are going to work hard to see what accommodation we can reach. . . . We can make progress outside a formal conference meeting." The GOP is showing signs of caving in once again and reaching an "accommodation" with President Clinton and his agenda. In "The Facts About Gun Shows," (http://www.cato.org/dailys/01-10-00.html) Associate Policy Analyst David B. Kopel demonstrates that there is no "gun show loophole." "Despite what some media commentators have claimed," he writes, "existing gun laws apply just as much to gun shows as they do to any other place where guns are sold." Attempts to shut down gun shows are simply further attacks on the First and Second Amendments. In "Fighting Back: Crime, Self-Defense, and the Right to Carry a Handgun," (http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-284es.html) Jeffrey R. Snyder disproves many of the common misconceptions about handguns including the myth that "more guns cause more violence." - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:25:42 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: GOUtah! Alert #51 - 9 March 2000 Gun Owners of Utah Utah's Uncompromising, Independent Gun Rights Network. No Compromise. No Retreat. No Surrender. Not Now. Not Ever. Free GOUtah! Website: http://www.slpsa.org/goutah! Free GOUtah! Telephone Alert Hotline: (801) 296-GUNS Free GOUtah! Dedicated Fax Alert Requests: (801) 944-9937 Free GOUtah! E-Mail Alerts Requests: GOUtah3006@aol.com Free GOUtah! E-Groups Alert Requests: To Subscribe: Send a blank message to: goutah-subscribe@eGroups.com To Unsubscribe: Send a blank message to: goutah-unsubscribe@eGroups.com GOUtah! Alert #51 - 9 March 2000 Today's Voice of Liberty: "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."--Randy Travis, 2000 UTAH LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS OVER! MASSIVE CAMPAIGN TO VETO SB72 BEGINS! The 2000 Utah Legislative Session has ended, with gun owners suffering minimal damage to their gun rights, due in large part to your effective involvement in the mainstream political process. We'll have a full recap of all the bills and voting records shortly. One dangerous gun bill was slipped through literally at the last second. SB 72-4th Substitute will deny lifetime gun rights to any individuals with a civil commitment for any mental health needs whatsoever, including those who might have suffered from mental exhaustion or depression and need a few days of in-patient rest and medication, and for those have been fully cured of their mental health problems. We ask all Utah gun rights activists to Call Gov. Mike Leavitt TODAY at (801) 538-1000 and ask him to VETO HB 72-S4. Governor Mike Leavitt 210 State Capitol Salt Lake City, UT 84114 Phone: (801)538-1000 Fax: (801)538-1528 E-mail: governor@state.ut.us GOV. LEAVITT RANCH OUTING CORRALS BIG CAMPAIGN BUCKS, INCLUDING FROM THE NRA An excerpt from the Deseret News, 8 March 2000 Written by By Bob Bernick Jr., Deseret News Political Editor "Gov. Mike Leavitt is one of the most successful fund-raisers in Utah political history. But who would pay $10,000 a person to meet with him and half a dozen other GOP governors? That answer is now public with new filings of one of Leavitt's political action committees. The $10,000-per-person fund-raiser was a two-day event last September at the Leavitt family ranch outside Loa, Wayne County. Some are the usual donors to Utah campaigns: Novell, Kennecott and Union Pacific. In fact, Kennecott and one of its subsidiaries each gave $10,000. But there are some new kids on the block, too. The National Rifle Association gave $10,000 for the exclusive Sept. 24, 25 weekend that included fly fishing, hunting and singing around the campfire. The governor was not the NRA's favorite person last summer as he advocated for a special session on gun violence and school safety. But after Republicans in the Utah House declined the special session, Leavitt, while denying he was backing away from the controversial issue, didn't openly speak out in favor of gun control during the 2000 session. That issue, Leavitt says, will go to the people now via a citizen initiative petition." (GOUtah! Note: It would seem, even in light of all the strident anti-gun efforts of Gov. Leavitt over the last 7 years, that the NRA is still willing to toss a $10,000.00 donation at his reelection campaign to insure 4 more years of the same gun-banning agenda.) REP. DAVE JONES CALLS IT QUITS - BLAMES UTAH'S GUN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS AND THE GOP. Rep. Dave Jones, Utah House Minority leader, threw in the towel on his decade long-legislative career this week, leaving the State Legislature due to his lack of success in promoting his strident anti-gun agenda. He stated that he was disgusted with both the GOP and with the pro-gun forces in Utah, saying in a farewell press conference that "Any kook with e-mail can stampede the herd," at the Utah Legislature. No hard feelings in our saying good-bye, Dave. You were a most worthy adversary in the political struggle to protect gun rights. We're sure there are plenty more anti-gun politicians where you came from. As for the 'gun rights wranglers', we'll keep expanding our communications network, training pro-gun delegates, registering and educating pro-gun voters, working with the media, and in general 'riding herd' on our gun rights. We aim to deliver the herd without losing a single gun right to the anti-gun wolves or civil rights rustlers. Get along, little Davy, back to the bunkhouse. PROVO POLICE TO USE TAX-FUNDED FEDERAL GRANT TO BUY CITIZEN'S GUNS FOR DESTRUCTION Provo police intend to purchase guns from Utah residents next month with a $21,000 taxpayer-funded federal grant. Police hope the gun buyback will collect and destroy some 300 guns. Provo police seized a total of 13 guns from criminals last year. Only three homicides involving guns were reported in Provo from 1996 to 1999. The gun buyback is part of a $2.4 million program recently launched by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) to take citizen's firearms off the streets. Funding of Provo's buyback project was made possible by the Provo City Public Housing Authority, which diverted $15,000 of a HUD grant toward the plan. HUD added an additional $6,500 contribution. Police will give a maximum gift certificate of $50 per gun. Provo's Police Department is scheduled to host its gun buyback from 9 a.m. to noon March 11, and from 5 to 8 p.m. March 16, at the Eldred Center, 270 W. 500 North in Provo. Sellers do not have to be Provo residents but will have to show identification. If you'd like to offer your thoughts about this abuse of both taxpayer funds and the Second Amendments, please contact: Mayor Lewis K. Billings Provo City Hall PO Box 1849 Provo, Utah 84603 Phone (801) 852-6100 Email: lbilling@state.ut.us Chief Greg Cooper Provo City Police Department PO Box 1849 Provo, Utah 84603 Phone (801) 852-6200 Provo City website: http://www.provo.org PEDIATRICIANS TO QUESTION KIDS ABOUT GUNS Pediatricians want to talk to your children about guns in your home during routine checkups, following new guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics. Doctors want to question both parents and children early and often on issues like guns in the home, family stress and discipline. Parents should be the main focus until children reach school age and are old enough to communicate with their doctors, and the practice should continue through adolescence, according to updated guidelines in the March issue of the academy journal Pediatrics. In a policy statement in the January 1999 issue of Pediatrics, pediatricians were urged to take an active role in preventing youth violence. Pediatricians in Utah have been at the forefront of the anti-gun crusade for several years. For More Information: American Academy of Pediatrics site: http://www.aap.org. DOCTORS VS. GUN OWNERS: WHO'S SAFER? from the Benton County News Tribune 17 November, 1999. Consider the following statistics: Number of physicians in the U.S.: 700,000 Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year: 120,000 Accidental deaths per physician: 0.171 Number of gun owners in the U.S.: 80,000,000 Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups): 1,500 Accidental deaths per gun owner: 0.0000188 Therefore, are doctors approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners? GOUTAH! GUN RIGHTS (AND WRONGS) QUOTE-WATCH "I think it's going to be interesting, I have a gut feeling most of these guns will be guns that maybe weren't operable. Is it a good idea? Yeah. I think if a person doesn't feel comfortable with a gun in their home, they ought to turn it in. But I think it will be interesting to see what kinds of guns people turn in. Are we going to see any major assault rifles? I don't know. Actually, I'm just dying to see the first one because I don't know what to expect." - -- Provo Police Sgt. Lee Upchurch, assigned to oversee the gun buyback program for the Provo City police, as quoted in the Deseret News. GOUTAH! LEGISLATIVE INFORMATION OUTLETS If you wish to be added to or taken off the GOUtah! Legislative Alerts list, please log onto our website at http://www.slpsa.org/goutah! or send an e-mail to GOUtah3006@aol.com or send a fax to (801) 944-9937 asking to be added to or removed from the GOUtah! list. There are no charges for this service. You can join the free GOUtah! E-Group. 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