From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #184 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Thursday, March 16 2000 Volume 02 : Number 184 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 22:02:20 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 3-9: Good News! MORE GOOD NEWS! Senate President Lane Beattie has announced his retirement from the Utah Senate! Beattie, long known as Gov. Leavitt's alter-ego in the Senate, is known for his ardent support of gun control. Two years ago, Utah gun rights advocates forced Beattie to call a press conference to announce he was killing his gun control bill, SB 57. This year we did it again, and Beattie again called a press conference to announce he was killing SB 161 and 162. These awful bills would have provided for government-mandated harassment of gun owners in schools and churches. They would also have needlessly endangered our children and all religious people. Advertising to criminals that schools and churches are "free-fire" zones, where criminals can attack without fear of being stopped, is a dangerously stupid idea! While Beattie didn't give credit to "kooks with guns" for his retirement, UTGuns is glad he's finally learned his lesson. So, Senate President Lane Beattie is gone. Senate Minority Leader Scott Howell is widely rumored to be considering retiring. House Minority Leader Dave Jones is retiring. (Yes, we're aware that all of them will likely seek higher office. We'll deal with that when the time comes!) Who's left? Speaker of the House Marty Stephens. The man who "considered" challenging Mike Leavitt, and ended up ENDORSING him! The man who claims he "didn't know anything" about his own Majority Leader's major gun control bill! (Kevin Garn's HB 372) The "powerful leader" who let the unconstitutional SB 72 pass the House with less than a minute to spare! UTGuns sincerely hopes that Speaker Stephens will listen to the pleas of citizens outraged at the deceitful way in which this bill "passed" the legislature - after midnight, without an opportunity for legislators to read and understand what they were voting for, and with USSC lobbyist, Rob Bishop assuring everyone that it was a "good" bill - and that he will do everything possible to encourage Gov. Leavitt to veto SB 72. See http://www.sltrib.com/03092000/utah/32279 for info on Beattie's retirement. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:11:15 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: REMINDER Presidential Primary today, Friday, March 10 Today (Friday March 10) is Utah's first ever Presidential Primary Election. Polls are open until 8:00 pm. You must already be registered to vote. Registered Republicans may not vote in the Democratic Primary. Registered Democrats may not vote in the Republican Primary. Those registered voters who have not declared party affiliation (90%) may vote in the primary of any ONE party. Please do not forgo voting simply because the results seem all but certain. Rather, view this as an opportunity to cast a completely honest vote, without fear of "wasting" that vote or "spoiling" an election in favor of the worse of two evils, for whichever candidate you believe will best preserve your rights, including your right to an effective, armed defense. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:16:02 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: AMA Gun Poll - ----- Subject: AMA Gun Poll Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:10:32 -0700 From: "Monte E. Rudd" To: Globalist Agendas Debate and Discussion List That the American Medical Association is actively working for gun control is not news. Interestingly enough, there is a poll on their Web site re: gun bans, and we're kicking the anti-gun/anti-self-defense people's butts. Pitch in: http://www.ama-assn.org/sci-pubs/msjama/index.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:16:59 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: New Fed Gun Bill? Weird formatting in original. - ----- Subject: LPU: FW: New Fed Gun Bill? Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:54:50 -0700 From: "Jim Dexter" To: "LPUtah Forum" This just sent to me. I have no idea if it's real. If true, it';s just another good reason to abolish the IRS. - ---------- S 2099 IS 106th CONGRESS 2d Session S. 2099 To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to require the registration of handguns, and for other purposes. IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES February 24, 2000 Mr. REED introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance A BILL To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to require the registration of handguns, and for other purposes. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `Handgun Safety and Registration Act of 2000'. SEC. 2. REGISTRATION OF HANDGUNS. (a) HANDGUN INCLUDED IN DEFINITION OF FIREARM- (1) IN GENERAL- Section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (defining firearm) is amended by striking `and (8) a destructive device' and inserting `(8) a handgun; and (9) a destructive device'. (2) DEFINITION OF HANDGUN- Section 5845 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to definitions) is amended by adding at the end the following: `(n) HANDGUN- `(1) IN GENERAL- The term `handgun' means any weapon (including a starter gun) which-- `(A) is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive, and `(B) has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand. `(2) DISASSEMBLED PARTS INCLUDED- Such term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, and any combination of parts from which a handgun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person. `(3) EXCLUSION- Such term shall not include a firearm classified as `any other weapon' under subsection (e).'. (b) TRANSFER TAX IMPOSED ON HANDGUNS- Section 5811(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to rate) is amended by inserting `or as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8)' after `section 5845(e)'. (c) TAX ON MAKING FIREARMS IMPOSED ON HANDGUNS- Section 5821(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to rate) is amended by inserting `, except, the tax on any firearm classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) shall be at the rate of $50 for each such firearm made' after `firearm made'. (d) IMPORTATION POLICY CONTINUED- (1) IN GENERAL- Section 5844 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to importation) is amended by adding at the end the following: `This section shall not apply to any firearm classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8).'. (2) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 925(d)(3) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting `(without regard to paragraph (8) thereof)' after `section 5845(a)'. (e) SHARING OF REGISTRATION INFORMATION WITH STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES- (1) IN GENERAL- Section 6103(o) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to disclosure of returns and return information with respect to certain taxes) is amended by adding at the end the following: `(3) TAXES IMPOSED ON TRANSFER OF HANDGUNS- Returns and return information with respect to taxes imposed by part II of subchapter A of chapter 53 (relating to tax on transferring firearms) on any firearm classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) shall be available in an on-line format for inspection by or disclosure to officers and employees of-- `(A) any Federal law enforcement agency, and `(B) any State or local law enforcement agency, whose official duties require such inspection or disclosure.'. (2) CONFORMING AMENDMENTS- Section 6103(p)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended-- (A) in the matter preceding subparagraph (A)-- (i) by striking `or (o)(1)' and inserting `(o)(1), or (o)(3)(A)', (ii) by striking `or (l)(6)' and inserting `(l)(6)', (iii) by inserting `or (o)(3)(B),' after `(16),', and (B) in subparagraph (F)(i)-- (i) by striking `or (l)(6)' and inserting `(l)(6)', and (ii) by inserting `or (o)(3)(B),' after `(16),', and (C) in subparagraph (F)(ii), by striking `or (o)(1)' and inserting `, (o)(1), or (o)(3)(A)'. (f) TRANSITION RULE FOR NONREGISTERED HANDGUNS- (1) IN GENERAL- Any person possessing any firearm classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 not registered in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record maintained by the Secretary of the Treasury under section 5841 of such Code shall register such handgun-- (A) within 1 year of the date of the enactment of this Act, or (B) upon the transfer of such handgun before such 1 year anniversary date. (2) TREATMENT OF REGISTRATION AS TRANSFER- For purposes of any tax imposed by part II of subchapter A of chapter 53 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to tax on transferring firearms) on any firearm classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) of such Code, any registration of such handgun under paragraph (1)(A) shall be considered a transfer of such handgun. (3) NONAPPLICATION OF PENALTY- Section 5861(d) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 shall not apply with respect to the possession of any handgun before the date of the registration of such handgun under paragraph (1). (g) PROVISION OF REGISTRATION FORMS- (1) AVAILABILITY- To promote and assist compliance with the handgun registration requirements under the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended by this section, the Secretary of the Treasury shall make available such registration and fingerprint forms as may be required by the public for compliance with such requirements-- (A) to State and local law enforcement agencies and facilities of the Department of the Treasury throughout the States, the United States Postal Service, and such other agencies and departments of the Federal Government as the Secretary determines would aid in making such forms available to the public; and (B) through the Internet in a downloadable format. (2) SINGLE FORM- The Secretary of the Treasury shall make available registration forms that allow an individual to register the possession or transfer of more than 1 firearm classified as a handgun under section 5845(a)(8) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 on a single form. (h) PROGRAM OF PUBLIC AWARENESS- Within 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of the Treasury shall commence a program to broaden public awareness of the handgun registration requirements under the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended by this section. Such program may include voluntary cooperative efforts with Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies and public service announcements as deemed appropriate by the Secretary. (i) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary for the Secretary of the Treasury to carry out the provisions of and amendments made by this Act. (j) EFFECTIVE DATE- The amendments made by this section shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act. END - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:14:49 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: March 12 column -- gun rights ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control - --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Vin_Suprynowicz@lvrj.com (Vin Suprynowicz) To: vinsends@ezlink.com Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:30:09 -0800 Subject: March 12 column -- gun rights FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED MARCH 12, 2000 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Thugs still reign in Taxachusetts At midday Wednesday, March 1, a 53-year-old Registered Nurse Anaesthetist with the same name as actress Linda Hamilton -- a grandmother who's been licensed by the commonwealth to carry a handgun for the past 10 years (fingerprints, FBI check, etc.) was headed eastbound on Route 2 through the village of North Adams. "At which point I noticed an 18-wheeler looming in my rearview mirror," Ms. Hamilton writes. "He drove up to within 10 feet of my Blazer, and then lunged his truck at my vehicle as if he was going to ram it. He pulled out as if to pass me -- we were on a two-lane road -- and then pulled back in behind me. He repeated this behavior four times. "I was in fear for my life. For over a quarter mile there is no place to pull over. There were no other people around." So, Hamilton took out the snubnosed .38 Rossi she's licensed by the state to carry. "I put it in my right hand and put my hand back on the steering wheel. The truck driver immediately backed off. I pulled in at the first place there were people and a pay phone. I called the Shelburne State Police barracks and told them of the incident, thinking, of course, that they could intercept the trucker before he hurt someone. "As soon as I mentioned what I had done with my gun, I was put on the defensive by the officer on the phone. Instead of thanking me for handling the situation in a responsible way, which protected me and hurt no one, the issue suddenly became the gun and only the gun, and not the fact that lives were in jeopardy from an out-of-control trucker. The trooper said to me, 'You should not have drawn your gun; a complaint could be filed.' " "Excuuuse me," Ms. Hamilton writes, "but why on earth am I carrying a gun? To keep my hip warm?" The cops know who the trucker was, but won't tell Linda Hamilton or her husband Russ. Instead, a couple of lady troopers named Robertson and Curran flagged Ms. Hamilton down, asked her permission to search her vehicle, searched it anyway when she refused permission, found and seized her legally licensed revolver. Fortunately, Russ Hamilton tells me Massachusetts (unlike many states) has no easily misinterpreted law against "brandishing" a weapon. The Gun Owners Action League referred the Hamiltons to attorney Robert Chesbro in Williamstown. The Hamiltons plan to sue the state for assault and battery (Mrs. Hamilton was frisked without evidence of any crime), theft of her revolver (which the police still have) and concealing the name of the truck driver who started the whole thing. "I put them on notice they were leaving me defenseless, and that I wanted a police escort home," Mrs. Hamilton adds. "They refused." Taxachusetts, of course, has so far abandoned the tradition of Lexington and Concord (where Redcoat efforts to seize civilian arms were not well received) that their welcoming billboards now read: "Have A Gun, Go To Jail." While Russ Hamilton says the cops are dead wrong -- "Under Massachusetts law you can keep a loaded firearm in your vehicle if you're a licensed owner; you can have it taped to the window if you so desire," he also admits: "We stopped one mile short. We found a piece of land we liked, but it's one mile short of Vermont. In Vermont there are no gun laws whatsoever, and it has the lowest crime rate in the U.S. We kick ourselves in the butt that we missed it by one mile." Tina Terry offers more -- including a photostat of Linda Hamilton's handgun permit -- at www.sierratimes.com/artt030600.htm. Meantime, maybe the Second Amendment isn't dead in courts, after all. The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals -- which overturned the original "gun-free school zones" law -- has announced it will hear oral arguments this spring in the Emerson case. Federal Judge Sam Cummings of the Northern District of Texas last year dismissed an indictment against Timothy Joe Emerson for possession of a firearm while under a temporary restraining order routinely issued during his divorce case. In doing so, Judge Cummings specifically rejected the government's claim that the Second Amendment is some kind of "collective" right pertaining only to the National Guard. Judge Cummings' ruling refutes the bogus "collective rights" theory, and demonstrates in detail why the individual-right interpretation, significantly known as the "Standard Model" in the academic literature and now embraced even by liberals like Harvard's Laurence Tribe, is proper. Specifically, Judge Cummings ruled that the subordinate "militia" clause in no way negates or limits the independent "right of the people" clause, and further notes the U.S. Supreme Court has determined "the people" should be interpreted similarly in the First, Second, Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth amendments. "This decision helps protect gun owners from the ever-increasing classes of people prohibited from gun ownership," comments Alan Gottlieb, head of the Second Amendment Foundation. "Without a court willing to step in and put a halt to this practice, eventually anyone with a parking or speeding ticket could be prevented from gun ownership. This could be the pure Second Amendment case that gun owners have been praying for over the past half-century." More details: www.saf.org/EmersonViewOptions.html. Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. His book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available at $24.95 postpaid by dialing 1-800-244-2224; or via web site http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin@lvrj.com "The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John Hay, 1872 "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. 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The Vinyard is maintained by Michael Voth in Flagstaff, who may be reached directly at mvoth@infomagic.com. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:28:45 -0700 From: "David Sagers" Subject: Any Chance Hi Charles Any chance you are going to run against Trish Beck? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:36:46 -0700 From: "Karl Pearson" Subject: Humor: On The Beat Not all are funny, but they weren't necessarily meant to be. (thp) Things Overheard While on the Beat - --source unknown "The more we sweat in training, the less we bleed on the streets." "Your life is not my fault." "The handcuffs are tight because they're new. They'll stretch out after you wear them awhile." "Take your hands off the car and I'll make your birth certificate a worthless document." "Remember, when you gotta cuff 'em, nobody is your friend." "If you run, you'll only go to jail tired." "That says POLICE, not taxi!" "Can you run faster than 1200 feet per second?" "So you don't know how fast you were going. I guess that means I can write anything I want on the ticket, huh?" "You can't outrun a radio." "Yes, sir, you can talk to the shift supervisor, but I don't think it will help. Oh, did I mention that I am the shift supervisor?" "Someone, somewhere is practicing. If you're not, and someday, if you should meet, you will lose." "Every dog has it's day. Good dogs have two." "Warning! You want a warning? Okay, I'm warning you not to do that again or I'll give you another ticket." "I'd rather have the gear and not need it than need the gear I don't have." "If its worth stopping, its worth writing." "The answer to this last question will determine whether you are drunk or not. Was Mickey Mouse a cat or a dog?" "Fair? You want me to be fair? Listen, fair is a place where you go to ride on rides, eat cotton candy, and step in monkey poop." "Listen with your ears, not with your mouth." "Some people are meant to be cops, and some people are meant to call the cops." "God made tomorrow for the crooks we don't catch today." "God must love stupid people, 'cause he sure made a lot of them." "Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid." "Bulletproof vests aren't." "Law abiding citizens sleep peacefully in their beds, solely because, dedicated men and women stand ready to do violence in their behalf." "In God we trust, all others we run NCIC." "Just how big were those two beers?" "Uh ... yes, Chief, it only appeared as if I wasn't paying attention to your speech. Actually, you inspired me to meditate on the mission statement and envision a new paradigm." "No, sir, we don't have quotas anymore. We used to have quotas but now we're allowed to write as many tickets as we want." "Law enforcement is not a spectator sport." "There are multiple copies here. You need to press down firmly when signing at the bottom of the ticket." "I know, I know! Your kid is an honor student at the juvenile detention center." "I'm glad to hear the chief of police is a good personal friend of yours. At least you know someone who can post your bail." "You might beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride." "We don't hire cops in this department, we hire common sense and make cops from it." "Shoot them until they think they're dead." "I don't believe they should use the electric chair, they need to use electric bleachers." "Handcuffs aren't designed for comfort." "Your arrest. You catch 'em, you clean 'em." "No, Chief, I swear ... it was my day off." "There are no dress rehearsals, and this is the big time." - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:37:58 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Re: Any Chance Hadn't considered it yet. For what office is she running? On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:28:45 -0700 "David Sagers" writes: > Hi Charles > > Any chance you are going to run against Trish Beck? > > > - > ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:46:07 -0700 From: "David Sagers" Subject: Re: Any Chance She is the State Rep in our area. She is a Scott Howell liberal, and made = an interesting statement in a committee meeting "...if people aren't = responsible enough to pay their traffic tickets, they aren't responsible = enough to have guns." =20 Obviously not someone who will protect our rights. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:05:42 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Re: Any Chance Actually, I notice she is running in District 48. Art Haddow is running as a Republican against her. I live in District 50. Llyod Frandsen is not seeking re-elction, deciding instead to run for Senate Seat 5. Drew Chamberlain is one of several Republicans running for his open seat. On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:46:07 -0700 "David Sagers" writes: > She is the State Rep in our area. She is a Scott Howell liberal, and > made an interesting statement in a committee meeting "...if people > aren't responsible enough to pay their traffic tickets, they aren't > responsible enough to have guns." > > Obviously not someone who will protect our rights. > > > - > ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:32:01 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: FW: GOA media advisory GOA Blasts Clinton and Gun Control on Prime Time TV -- Exposes problems with enforcing anti-gun laws Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org "I can tell you that the President of the United States is certainly eager to take advantage of every tragedy that occurs. And to suggest that, somehow, a crack-house kid would have had a trigger-lock on the gun that the crook in the house had with their drugs and stolen guns -- I don't think so. That's a very implausible scenario to say the least." -- Larry Pratt, GOA Executive Director on MSNBC's Equal Time (Wednesday, March 15, 2000) -- Last week it was the morning TV programs like NBC's Today show and CBS' This Morning. This week, GOA Executive Director Larry Pratt has been hitting the after-dinner talk shows. Pratt appeared on MSNBC's Equal Time last night with co-hosts Ollie North and Paul Begala. Sparks flew as Pratt excoriated the President for using horrible tragedies to further his political agenda. At the same time, Pratt also blasted the President's call to "enforce the existing [anti-]gun laws." "Rather than call for the enforcement of existing gun laws -- which all of us opposed at the time that they were being put on the books," Pratt said, "we think it would be much more appropriate to call for their removal. That way we're not going to have as many people being disarmed and victimized by criminals who get their guns anyway no matter what the gun control laws are." Pratt pointed out how foolish the gun control logic is. A virtual complete gun ban and confiscation in England has now led to a rising crime rate (which has now surpassed our own). And their ban has not stopped more than 3 million guns from reportedly landing in criminals' hands. "Are we supposed to believe that if on an island they can't keep guns out of the hands of criminals, that the Brady law is somehow going to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?" Pratt said. Pratt also blasted an HCI spokesman on the show for calling on Congress to close the gun control "loopholes." "What you're calling a 'loophole' is what the Founders called freedom," said Pratt. "And meanwhile, all these 'loopholes' you want to close off -- all they do is result in an increase in crime in this country." GOA plans to offer this tape in the future for a minimal cost. Gun activists who would like to see a first class debater take on our political enemies will find lots of talking points that they can use. MEDIA ADVISORY: As this goes to press, Larry Pratt is scheduled to appear on CNBC's [Geraldo] Rivera Live tonight at 9:00 EST. As with any media "schedule," such plans are always tentative and could be changed at any time by the media host. HOUSE VOTE: GOA will alert you tomorrow as to the results of the House vote which occurred today. It is imperative that we defeat the gun control in the crime bill now -- otherwise, today's restrictions will become part of the "existing gun laws" that the President and others will be seeking to enforce tomorrow. ************** Cheaper Than Dirt donates a percentage of your total order to GOA if you use http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/goa.htm to enter their online store. ************** Did someone else forward this to you? To be certain of getting up to date information, please consider subscribing to the GOA E-Mail Alert Network directly. There is no cost or obligation, and the volume of mail is quite low. To subscribe, simply send a message to goamail@gunowners.org and include the state in which you live, in either the subject or the body. To unsubscribe, reply to any alert and ask to be removed. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:20:26 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: Karl Pearson Subject: Quote of the Ages "Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." ("A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands.") - --Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD) epistulae ad Lucilium 87, c. 30 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:57:16 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 3-15: URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED! Help kill SB 72 Candidates needed! Delegates still needed! Sarah Thompson, Arnold Gaunt on KTKK Thursday HELP KILL SB 72! SB 72 - Restricted persons (Terry Spencer) is still alive! It is currently sitting on Gov. Leavitt's desk, awaiting his signature. We need to encourage him to veto it - and encourage legislators to support our effort. SB 72, which was pushed by the Leavitt administration, is an awful bill. It is an unconstitutional ex post facto bill, which applies retroactive punishment for events that happened years ago. It revokes gun rights for juveniles who have been adjudicated delinquent without a jury trial. It expands the current prohibitions on handgun possession to include long guns. It re-enacts the lifetime ban on firearms possession for anyone who has been committed to a mental institution, again without a jury trial or even due process - even if the commitment was wrongful or the person has recovered. It also re-enacts the lifetime ban on possession for anyone dishonorably discharged from the military - even for political or social offenses. And most ominously, it provides a mechanism to revoke firearms rights for MISDEMEANOR offenses. As if this isn't bad enough, some outrageous lies were told in order to get the bill passed. Legislators reported they were told that if the bill wasn't passed, Utah would automatically be subject to a federal five-day waiting period for all firearms transactions. Of course the federal five-day waiting period expired in 1998, and was replaced with the National Instant-Check System (NICS). Utahns are already subject to NICS checks. The "five day waiting period" lie was perpetrated solely to scare legislators into voting for a gun control bill. Sadly, it worked. And to make matters even worse, many witnesses report that the bill passed the Senate AFTER midnight - which makes it unconstitutional and void. WE NEED HELP TO KILL SB 72 - and we need it NOW! Gov. Leavitt can sign it at any time! Several activists (Arnold Gaunt, Brent Odenwalder and Sarah Thompson) met with House leadership today. (Reps. Marty Stephens, Kevin Garn, David Ure and Greg Curtis) UTGuns appreciates their willingness to meet and discuss this problem. Speaker Stephens says that he is "still waiting to hear from Gov. Leavitt". Leadership did not seem inclined to try to kill the bill based on its content, or the blatant lies told to obtain passage. While they did vote against the bill, this attitude raises questions about the sincerity of their opposition. However, they did state that if the bill was indeed passed after midnight, they would support invalidating it on that basis. 1. Please CALL each of these members of House Leadership AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! Time is very short, and the bill can be signed at any time. Ask them to do EVERYTHING possible to stop Gov. Leavitt from signing the bill. Legislators do not read email when they're not in session so you need to CALL or FAX them! Speaker Marty Stephens 801-538-1930 (Capitol) 801-731-5346 (Home) 801-538-1908 (Fax) Majority Leader Kevin Garn 801-544-3533 (Home) 801-776-0232 (Office) 801-776-0214 (Fax) Majority Whip David Ure 435-783-4650 (Home) 435-783-2487 (Office) 435-783-4650 (Fax) Ass't. Majority Whip Greg Curtis 801-943-3091 (Home) 801-569-5141 (Office) Remember to be polite but assertive. Don't let them play games with OUR RIGHTS! 2. Call Governor Leavitt! 801-538-1000 Let him (or the staff person handling bill signing and vetos) know that you would like the governor to VETO SB 72 for the above reasons. Please remind Gov. Leavitt that allowing SB 72 to become law guarantees a vote for one of his four (current) challengers. 3. Witnesses needed! Were you at the Capitol the night of March 1? Did you witness legislators, lobbyists and others lying about SB 72? Did you watch the vote in the Senate? If so, it is ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT that you contact the five people listed above. We also need a signed, notarized affidavit stating clearly what you saw and heard. (Contact Sarah at this address or 801-566-1067 for details.) CANDIDATES NEEDED! Our legislators have a dismal record of protecting our rights this year. No Representative has a voting record better than 60%. No Senator has a record better than 44%! This is simply not acceptable. (It is important to remember that voting records do not reflect committee votes or back-room politics, so they should not be considered an absolute measure of a legislator's behavior. But these numbers are so terrible that it's hard to make a case that we have any pro-rights legislators.) Volunteers are desperately needed to challenge some of these folks so they don't come back for another 2-4 years! We need YOU to file for office! Even if you don't have the time and money to mount a major campaign, just the fact that you file has beneficial effects: 1. The legislator finds out that not everyone approves of what he's doing. 2. The legislator actually has to do some work instead of just showing up to claim his seat. Even if he wins, you will have caused him pain, expense, and embarrassment - and he'll be motivated not to let that happen again! 3. By expressing a strong pro-liberty point of view, you will "pull" the incumbent towards a pro-liberty point of view. You will also educate others in your district who will then become your allies in preserving our rights. A list of people who have filed to date can be found at: http://www.governor.state.ut.us/lt_gover/2000candidates.html If there are no good candidates in your House or Senate district, please consider running! The filing fees are low (less than $20 for a House seat!), and you'll automatically get a delegate spot at the county (or state if you're in a multi-county district) convention. Filing deadline is Friday 5 PM. You lose nothing by filing; you can always withdraw if you change your mind. DELEGATES NEEDED! Response to the UTGuns request for delegates is still not what it should be. MANY more people are needed to volunteer to be delegates! Isn't it worth a day or two of your time to make sure that good candidates are elected? Do you really WANT Mike Leavitt pushing gun control for another four years? Did YOUR legislators do an exemplary job of protecting your life, liberty and property? No? Then volunteer to be a delegate! This is the best (maybe only!) way to promote responsible government. Even if you have signed up on another list of delegates, please sign the UTGuns list too! We are not "competing" with anyone else for names. We are trying to compile a central list of names of people willing to support some real pro-gun candidates. For more information, or to sign up, go to: http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/volunteer.html RADIO ALERT! Sarah Thompson and Arnold Gaunt will be appearing on Radio Liberty on Thursday, March 16 from 5-7 PM. Radio Liberty is hosted by Jim Dexter, and can be found on KTKK, 630 AM. Topics include SB 72, legislative liars, gun bills in general, and delegate recruitment. Please listen and call in! Salt Lake County, 801-254-5855. North of SLCo, 801-670-5855 South of SLCo, 801-470-5855 Thanks! Sarah - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:54:47 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: UTGuns Leg Alert 3-15: URGENT YOUR HELP NEEDED NOW Everyone, please take the time to read through this one and respond appropriately. Help kill SB 72 Candidates needed! Delegates still needed! Sarah Thompson, Arnold Gaunt on KTKK Thursday HELP KILL SB 72! SB 72 - Restricted persons (Terry Spencer) is still alive! It is currently sitting on Gov. Leavitt's desk, awaiting his signature. We need to encourage him to veto it - and encourage legislators to support our effort. SB 72, which was pushed by the Leavitt administration, is an awful bill. It is an unconstitutional ex post facto bill, which applies retroactive punishment for events that happened years ago. It revokes gun rights for juveniles who have been adjudicated delinquent without a jury trial. It expands the current prohibitions on handgun possession to include long guns. It re-enacts the lifetime ban on firearms possession for anyone who has been committed to a mental institution, again without a jury trial or even due process - even if the commitment was wrongful or the person has recovered. It also re-enacts the lifetime ban on possession for anyone dishonorably discharged from the military - even for political or social offenses. And most ominously, it provides a mechanism to revoke firearms rights for MISDEMEANOR offenses. As if this isn't bad enough, some outrageous lies were told in order to get the bill passed. Legislators reported they were told that if the bill wasn't passed, Utah would automatically be subject to a federal five-day waiting period for all firearms transactions. Of course the federal five-day waiting period expired in 1998, and was replaced with the National Instant-Check System (NICS). Utahns are already subject to NICS checks. The "five day waiting period" lie was perpetrated solely to scare legislators into voting for a gun control bill. Sadly, it worked. And to make matters even worse, many witnesses report that the bill passed the Senate AFTER midnight - which makes it unconstitutional and void. WE NEED HELP TO KILL SB 72 - and we need it NOW! Gov. Leavitt can sign it at any time! Several activists (Arnold Gaunt, Brent Odenwalder and Sarah Thompson) met with House leadership today. (Reps. Marty Stephens, Kevin Garn, David Ure and Greg Curtis) UTGuns appreciates their willingness to meet and discuss this problem. Speaker Stephens says that he is "still waiting to hear from Gov. Leavitt". Leadership did not seem inclined to try to kill the bill based on its content, or the blatant lies told to obtain passage. While they did vote against the bill, this attitude raises questions about the sincerity of their opposition. However, they did state that if the bill was indeed passed after midnight, they would support invalidating it on that basis. 1. Please CALL each of these members of House Leadership AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! Time is very short, and the bill can be signed at any time. Ask them to do EVERYTHING possible to stop Gov. Leavitt from signing the bill. Legislators do not read email when they're not in session so you need to CALL or FAX them! Speaker Marty Stephens 801-538-1930 (Capitol) 801-731-5346 (Home) 801-538-1908 (Fax) Majority Leader Kevin Garn 801-544-3533 (Home) 801-776-0232 (Office) 801-776-0214 (Fax) Majority Whip David Ure 435-783-4650 (Home) 435-783-2487 (Office) 435-783-4650 (Fax) Ass't. Majority Whip Greg Curtis 801-943-3091 (Home) 801-569-5141 (Office) Remember to be polite but assertive. Don't let them play games with OUR RIGHTS! 2. Call Governor Leavitt! 801-538-1000 Let him (or the staff person handling bill signing and vetos) know that you would like the governor to VETO SB 72 for the above reasons. Please remind Gov. Leavitt that allowing SB 72 to become law guarantees a vote for one of his four (current) challengers. 3. Witnesses needed! Were you at the Capitol the night of March 1? Did you witness legislators, lobbyists and others lying about SB 72? Did you watch the vote in the Senate? If so, it is ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT that you contact the five people listed above. We also need a signed, notarized affidavit stating clearly what you saw and heard. (Contact Sarah at this address or 801-566-1067 for details.) CANDIDATES NEEDED! Our legislators have a dismal record of protecting our rights this year. No Representative has a voting record better than 60%. No Senator has a record better than 44%! This is simply not acceptable. (It is important to remember that voting records do not reflect committee votes or back-room politics, so they should not be considered an absolute measure of a legislator's behavior. But these numbers are so terrible that it's hard to make a case that we have any pro-rights legislators.) Volunteers are desperately needed to challenge some of these folks so they don't come back for another 2-4 years! We need YOU to file for office! Even if you don't have the time and money to mount a major campaign, just the fact that you file has beneficial effects: 1. The legislator finds out that not everyone approves of what he's doing. 2. The legislator actually has to do some work instead of just showing up to claim his seat. Even if he wins, you will have caused him pain, expense, and embarrassment - and he'll be motivated not to let that happen again! 3. By expressing a strong pro-liberty point of view, you will "pull" the incumbent towards a pro-liberty point of view. You will also educate others in your district who will then become your allies in preserving our rights. A list of people who have filed to date can be found at: http://www.governor.state.ut.us/lt_gover/2000candidates.html If there are no good candidates in your House or Senate district, please consider running! The filing fees are low (less than $20 for a House seat!), and you'll automatically get a delegate spot at the county (or state if you're in a multi-county district) convention. Filing deadline is Friday 5 PM. You lose nothing by filing; you can always withdraw if you change your mind. DELEGATES NEEDED! Response to the UTGuns request for delegates is still not what it should be. MANY more people are needed to volunteer to be delegates! Isn't it worth a day or two of your time to make sure that good candidates are elected? Do you really WANT Mike Leavitt pushing gun control for another four years? Did YOUR legislators do an exemplary job of protecting your life, liberty and property? No? Then volunteer to be a delegate! This is the best (maybe only!) way to promote responsible government. Even if you have signed up on another list of delegates, please sign the UTGuns list too! We are not "competing" with anyone else for names. We are trying to compile a central list of names of people willing to support some real pro-gun candidates. For more information, or to sign up, go to: http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/volunteer.html RADIO ALERT! Sarah Thompson and Arnold Gaunt will be appearing on Radio Liberty on Thursday, March 16 from 5-7 PM. Radio Liberty is hosted by Jim Dexter, and can be found on KTKK, 630 AM. Topics include SB 72, legislative liars, gun bills in general, and delegate recruitment. Please listen and call in! Salt Lake County, 801-254-5855. North of SLCo, 801-670-5855 South of SLCo, 801-470-5855 Thanks! Sarah Leg-alerts is written and distributed by Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed. Leg-alerts can also be found at UTGuns, http://www.UTguns.freeservers.com. Please check out the new site! This is a one-way list. Please do NOT try to post to the list. It won't work, and repeat violations will result in your removal from the list. Comments may be sent to me at righter@therighter.com. Thanks! Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no changes are made and this message is left intact. To subscribe/unsubscribe from leg-alerts, send a message to: majordomo@aros.net In the body put: subscribe (or unsubscribe) leg-alerts ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ End of utah-firearms-digest V2 #184 ***********************************