From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #201 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Wednesday, January 24 2001 Volume 02 : Number 201 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:20:44 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] 1-4: Please forward to your pro-gun friends I hope this is of interest to many here. We have several good pro-gun groups in this State. I'm personnally involved with a couple of them. And each of the good ones serve somewhat different purposes. (We can argue later about which, if any, so-called pro-gun organizations are not so good and what purpose they serve. :) ) Of these good pro-gun groups, I think UTGOA serves a vital purpose of being the no-compromise, hardball kid on the block who never backs down. Not only are they able to kill bad bills when others resign themselves to failure, but they make other pro-gun groups look more "reasonable" by comparision. IOW, by helping to define the extreme, UTGOA helps to shift the perceived middle ground closer to where I hope and think most RKBA folks would like to see it. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control - --------- Forwarded message ---------- Utah Gun Owners Alliance PO Box 1185, Sandy, UT 84091 Phone: 801-566-1625 E-Mail: Director@utgoa.org http://www.utgoa.org *** A Special Message from Sarah Thompson, Executive Director of Utah Gun Owners Alliance *** Dear Fellow American: It happened in Nazi Germany about 60 years ago. It happened in Australia in 1996. It happened in England in 1997. It has even happened in New York City, New York. Now it's coming to California. First, gun registration. Then, gun confiscation. Will Utah be next? In our state legislature, anti-gunners are still on the offensive toward their goal of a complete ban on private firearms ownership. As you may know, Utah Gun Owners Alliance is the no-compromise gun rights lobby organization supported by hundreds of pro-gun friends across Utah - and even other states. Our position on gun control is: It's not Constitutional. And to make sure politicians get the message, we work with grass roots pro-gun activists. Utah Gun Owners Alliance and our members have no problem saying to the legislators who want to sell out our rights, "Don't tread on me and my gun rights." At the Capitol, and elsewhere, Utah Gun Owners Alliance fights legislative battles to protect your gun rights. However, sometimes the best defense is a good offense. Utah Gun Owners Alliance staff and members have been working with state legislators to repeal laws that force gun owners to get a permission slip in order to carry a gun concealed. We are on the offensive to push for a "Vermont-style" concealed carry law that simply says every law abiding citizen has the right to carry a gun concealed. There are no government hoops, no fingerprints, no mandatory training classes, no forms, no licenses, and no fees. This is Utah Gun Owners Alliance's position: NO GUN CONTROL ALLOWED. PERIOD. Now it's time to take that aggressive offensive approach to reclaiming our gun rights to the legislative battles in our upcoming legislative session. Will you join the effort? I AM ASKING YOU TO JOIN OUR FREE LEGISLATIVE ALERT AND ACTION NETWORK -- THE UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE E-MAIL ALERTS. E-mail Alert participants receive timely communication alerts via e-mail when there are bills or other actions being considered in our state capital. As a participant, you'll get the facts you need to let the politicians know just where you -- the pro-gun voter -- stand and what the politician must do. Your action will apply pressure to legislators when they need it the most. Together with other gun rights supporters, you and I can make legislators "feel the heat" until they "see the light." It is true that petitioning an elected official is a powerful legislative tool. Elected officials fear angry voters. That is why grass roots action is so powerful. It reminds elected officials that they are there to serve the people and will be held accountable by the people. This approach WORKS! As a result of Utah Gun Owners Alliance's efforts, 21 anti-gun politicians retired or were removed from office last year, including such anti-gun ideologues as Rep. Dave Jones and Sen. Scott Howell. And only 5 of 17 anti-gun bills passed. We can do better. But when push comes to shove, politics is a numbers game. Hundreds mean more than tens, and thousands mean more than hundreds. That is why I am asking you to subscribe, right now, to Utah Gun Owners Alliance's E-Mail Alerts. Each person counts. You can make the difference. It's easy to subscribe. Here's how: Send an e-mail message to utgoa-subscribe@egroups.com After you send Utah Gun Owners Alliance a request to subscribe, you should shortly thereafter receive a confirmation e-mail from our office. If you encounter any difficulties, please let me know at Director@utgoa.org After that, you will receive alerts as they become necessary. I hope that you will subscribe to Utah Gun Owners Alliance's E-Mail Alerts. As you can tell, there is nothing to lose -- it is a free service. All I ask is that you try to take the requested action in the alerts you receive. The volume of mail is very low -- this is not a news service. Also, please know that your e-mail address will remain confidential. If you would like more information you may call our main phone number 801-566-1625 and request an information brochure on Utah Gun Owners Alliance or you may e-mail your request to: Director@utgoa.org. You may also visit our Web Site at http://www.utgoa.org. Make sure you read our 2000 Year in Review to learn more about our fight for our gun rights. I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Sarah Thompson, M.D. Executive Director Utah Gun Owners Alliance PO Box 1185 Sandy, UT 84091 E-Mail: Director@utgoa.org http://www.utgoa.org PS: Our legislative session starts January 15. Please join Utah Gun Owners Alliance free email alerts now so you will have the latest information to defend our precious right to keep and bear arms. For more on what we do, see http://www.utgoa.org/pages/year2000.html, the Utah Gun Owners Alliance 2000 Year in Review. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: UTGOA-unsubscribe@egroups.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:09:10 -0700 From: "andelain" Subject: RE: Disbanding of Utah Militia This is scheduled for tomorrow (Tuesday, 16) at 10:30 am in room 225, the House Law Enforcement committee. It is of utmost importance to stop this in it's tracks. We need to let them all know that guncontrol is an issue that they do not want to think about considering this year. We've had enough. These are the members of the House Law Enforcement committee: Chair Demar Bowman dbowman@le.state.ut.us 435-586-8174 Vice Chair Matt Throckmorton mthrockmor@aol.com mthrockm@le.state.ut.us 801-489-8342 Douglas C. Aagard daagar@le.state.ut.us 801-546-3935 Trisha S. Beck tbeck@le.state.ut.us 801-572-2325 Duane E. Bourdeaux dbourdea@le.state.ut.us 801-596-8784 *Ty McCartney tmccartney@le.state.ut.us 801-466-3558 Loraine T. Pace lpace@le.state.ut.us 435-753-6154 *Brent D. Parker bparker@le.state.ut.us 435-245-6275 *Paul Ray =A0 pray@le.state.ut.us 801-774-0624 Jack A. Seitz jseitz@le.state.ut.us 435-789-0650 *Carol Spackman Moss csmoss@le.state.ut.us 801-272-6507 =A0 =A0 =A0 *Peggy Wallace pwallace@le.state.ut.us pwallace@peggyannwallace.com 801-233-9041 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of charles > hardy > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:59 AM > To: utah-firearms@xmission.com > Subject: Disbanding of Utah Militia > > >From today's SLTrib : > > Utah May Disband Its Militia > BY PAUL FOY > THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > > In 1941, Utah Gov. Herbert Maw created a state militia to defen= d > Utah from "the ravages of foreign enemies within our borders." > But Utah never had a need for a militia and nobody was drafted > into it. > Legislators now are moving to disband the Utah Defense Force. > "It was never used. We just felt it was archaic," Rep. Neal > Hendrickson, D-West Valley City, said Thursday. > "There's always the National Guard the governor can call out. = I > don't > think there would be a need for a militia," said Hendrickson, > sponsor of > repeal legislation. > It's part of a larger effort in the Legislature to clean up th= e > Utah Code. > An interim government operations committee has voted to abolish 15 > obsolete laws, removing more than 350 dusty pages from the state > code. > [..snip..] > Hendrickson said he expected the Utah Legislature to disband t= he > defense force in January in an uncontroversial vote. Let's make Hendrickson a poor prophet. Let's make this as controversial as nuclear waste by tomorrow. :) > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Charles C. Hardy > Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:18:48 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] 1-15:URGENT ALERT HB 8 TUESDAY MORNING Some more talking points and Tuesday morning contact info on this matter... - ---------------- Charles Hardy - --------- Forwarded message ---------- HB 8 - Elimination of Utah Defense Force TUESDAY, 10:30 AM, Rm 225 HB 8, Elimination of the Utah Defense Force will be heard by the House Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee on TUESDAY, Jan. 16 at 10:30 AM in Room 225, Capitol. This bill seeks to eliminate the Utah State Defense Force, our citizen militia. For Utah Gun Owners Alliance's previous alert on the bill see http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts?alerts01/011401.html. The reasons this is important are: 1. Eliminating the citizen militia is a necessary pre-requisite to disarming the citizens. So long as there is a citizen militia, even the most restrictive reading of the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of _the militia_ to keep and bear arms. But if there is no citizen militia, it can be argued that ordinary citizens no longer have that right. (UTGOA disagrees, of course, but the courts have their own opinions.) 2. In order for a state to truly be sovereign, it must be able to defend itself, from other states, the federal government, and foreign enemies. Since the National Guard is under federal control, it is not able to completely fulfill this necessary function. 3. The evidence from Switzerland, where there is an active citizen militia is overwhelming. Switzerland has very low crime, has not been involved in wars, and even Hitler didn't dare invade the country - because of its citizen militia. In other words, it would make far more sense to strengthen our State Defense Force than to get rid of it. What you need to do: 1. Contact the following committee members THIS EVENING. This means you'll have to CALL them, since they may not see email until it's too late. Ask them to vote NO on HB 8. If the legislator seems supportive, ask him to call for a ROLL CALL vote in the committee hearing. Because there are many new legislators on this committee, we need to know which ones will support our rights! A sample letter is at the end of this alert. If you get don't get this message until Tuesday morning, you can call 538-1029 up until 10:30 AM. Ask for your message to be delivered by hand if possible Chair Demar Bowman dbowman@le.state.ut.us 435-586-8174 Vice Chair Matt Throckmorton mthrockmor@aol.com mthrockm@le.state.ut.us 801-489-8342 Douglas C. Aagard daagar@le.state.ut.us 801-546-3935 *Ty McCartney tmccartney@le.state.ut.us 801-466-3558 Loraine T. Pace lpace@le.state.ut.us 435-753-6154 *Brent D. Parker bparker@le.state.ut.us 435-245-6275 *Paul Ray pray@le.state.ut.us 801-774-0624 Jack A. Seitz jseitz@le.state.ut.us 435-789-0650 *Carol Spackman Moss csmoss@le.state.ut.us 801-272-6507 *Peggy Wallace pwallace@le.state.ut.us pwallace@peggyannwallace.com 801-233-9041 *Bradley Winn bwinn@le.state.ut.us 801-319-4471 2. Plan to attend the committee hearing Tuesday morning at 10:30 AM in Room 225. Public comment will be limited, but just showing up has a tremendous effect on legislators. The bill is the first item of business, so please be prompt! If you think you would like to speak against this bill, plan to speak for NO MORE THAN 1 minute, and to address the specific problems with the bill. Please dress appropriately! This means business dress, or at the least, clean, pressed clothes. T-shirts, camo, sweats, etc. reflect poorly on gun owners and hurt our cause. 3. Sample letter to legislators: (Subject: Vote NO on HB 8 - Utah Defense Force) Feel free to just cut, paste and send this. Honorable members of the Law Enforcement Committee: Please vote NO on HB 8, which would eliminate the Utah State Defense Force. There are no good reasons to eliminate the Defense Force. It costs nothing, harms no one, and has no adverse effect on anything. On the other hand, armed citizens may someday be necessary to defend our state, as they were when the federal government sent Johnston's army to attack it. The very presence of a State Defense Force will tend to prevent such a thing from happening. Please write and let me know how you vote on this important bill. Thank you. Your name Your address Note: All Utah Gun Owners Alliance alerts are now archived on the UTGOA web site. You can find them at http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts. However it may sometimes take a day or two to post current alerts, so check your email. We are still de-bugging this, but you should be able to read all the alerts, even if they're not formatted perfectly. 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:00:00 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: Disband the Utah Militia I haven't seen this point brought up much before so I thought I'd pass it along as another talking point. The Utah State Constitution, Article XV, Section 2 REQUIRES that this section of code, or something similar, exists. To wit: "The Legislature shall provide by law for the organization, equipment and discipline of the militia, which shall conform as nearly as practicable to the regulations for the government of the armies of the United States." Repealing this section of Utah Code, without replacing it with something else that fulfills the State Constitutional mandate would be a direct violation of the State Constitution. Bear in mind that in legal language, "shall" is the strongest directive possible. Also, since the National Guard is a federal force and subject to call-up and control by the President, the State of Utah could very conceivable be left with no ability to put down riots, repel invasion, etc. Some of the first Stateside units sent into Korea were Utah National Guard Artillery units. What happens when we have an L.A. type riot, serious natural disaster, or other situation at the same time the vast bulk our National Guard troops are playing "peace keeper" somewhere half way around the world if we have no statutory ability to call forth a militia? This section of code has no current budget so it doesn't cost anyting to have it on the books. It also imposes no restrictions on anyone's behaviour or imposes and fines or other punishments. So it isn't an infringment on our freedoms waiting to sprung like some anti-sodomy law. In short, keeping it on the books does no harm. Repealing it could do great practical harm as well as certainly violate the State Constitution. ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:26:07 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: DesNews Article on AOL firing There is an article on the AOL firing in today's Deseret News . A few excerpts: ... Company spokesman Nicholas Graham said AOL is looking forward to presenting its case. Vilos is similarly eager to take up a battle against, "anti-self-defense factions who want to impose East Coast values upon Westerners." ... OGDEN — The case of three former America Online employees fired for bringing pistols and hunting rifles to the company parking lot could set a sweeping legal precedent affecting employers statewide. Or it could not. But two of the state's largest employer groups, representing a combined 1,500 Utah companies, aren't taking chances. The Utah Manufacturers Association and the Society for Human Resource Management, who are busy this time of year lobbying state lawmakers, have spent valuable time recently in Ogden's 2nd District Court where AOL is being sued for wrongful termination. Both filed friend-of-the-court briefs supporting AOL's decision to fire the three workers. The three were let go for transferring two pistols and two rifles between cars in AOL's Ogden Call Center parking lot. The trio planned to use the weapons at a private shooting range later that day. The employers' groups maintain they have a significant interest in the case's resolution. They say the matter is less about the Second Amendment (which ensures the rights of Americans to bear arms) and more mixed up with property rights and employee safety. "It's a critical issue for employers," said Mike O'Brien, employment law attorney for the Resource Management Society. "There are numerous employee morale issues. Many people don't like to work in an environment" where guns are present. Adds Manufacturer's Association President Tom Bingham: "Employers have a right to control the work environment. What role does the rights of an individual have when compared to other constitutionally guaranteed rights of owning property and controlling property?" The question will be balanced by Judge Roger S. Dutson, who earlier this month denied O'Brien's motion to dismiss the lawsuit, saying, "This case presents very important legal issues regarding employer and individual rights, constitutional questions regarding the right to bear arms and employment-termination issues. There are some threshold questions that must first be addressed before the court can address these issues." ... But while the case has generated much interest, the final result may be somewhat anti-climactic. Judge Dutson, depending on how he words an eventual ruling, could decide the case without much fanfare or precedent. The fact that AOL leases the parking lot is significant. While the company labels the stalls "AOL employee parking only" and believes it can manage the lot, Vilos has argued that the leased property really is part of an Ogden strip mall. The judge, then, could simply rule on the lot's publicness or privateness. A narrowly tailored decision could limit the case's scope to a single parking lot. However, a broader ruling, including, but not limited to the lot, would be more significant for employers statewide. "I think there certainly is the potential for this to be a precedent-setting case," Bingham said. Echoed O'Brien, "It could set precedent, depending on how the court rules." ... ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:36:26 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: FW: Wall Street Journal Reporter wants to chat with college age female gun owners This message is in MIME format. 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- ----__JNP_000_7cac.3b93.4d45-- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:38:18 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Tax credits, laser pointers, pretend guns This alert is now a bit outdated. Sorry, it arrived late enough last night that I didn't see it until this morning. - ---------------- Charles Hardy - --------- Forwarded message ---------- HB 222 - Tax Credit for Safes SB 101 - Laser pointers SB 115 - Pretend guns HB 222 INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX CREDIT FOR A RESIDENTIAL SECURITY CONTAINER (CHAD E. BENNION) will be heard by the House Revenue and Taxation committee TOMORROW, Jan. 23, at 8:30 AM in Room 129. HB 222 would give a tax credit of up to $150 to anyone who purchases a safe. Utah Gun Owners Alliance OPPOSES this bill. See the Jan. 21 alert, at http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts?alerts01/012101.html for more details. This is not a high priority bill. However, if you will be at the Capitol Tuesday, or would like to see how a committee functions, please plan to attend the committee hearing. SB 101 UNLAWFUL USE OF LASER POINTERS (D. EDGAR ALLEN) has been resurrected and will be heard again by the Senate Judiciary committee TOMORROW, Jan. 23, at 3 PM in Room 416 SB 101 would provide special penalties for shining a laser pointer at a law enforcement officer or a motor vehicle. See the Jan. 21 alert at http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts?alerts01/012101.html for more details. UTGOA OPPOSES this bill. It is unnecessary since it is already illegal to intimidate a law enforcement officer. If shining laser pointers at people should be a crime, it should be a crime to shine one at anyone, not just law enforcement personnel. UTGOA suspects this may be the first step towards requiring permits for laser pointers. Please CALL members of the Senate Judiciary Committee this evening and ask them to OPPOSE or TABLE this bill. The most important person to call is Committee Chair, David Gladwell. Suazo, psuazo@le.state.ut.us, 801-521-3751 Buttars, dbuttars@le.state.ut.us, 801-561-0535 Peterson, mpeterso@le.state.ut.us, 801-250-5944 Valentine, jvalenti@le.state.ut.us, 801-224-1693 Gladwell, dgladwel@le.state.ut.us, 801-782-4130 Hillyard, lhillyar@le.state.ut.us, 435-753-0043 Attending the committee hearing is not a high priority, but if you will be at the Capitol anyway, or would like to see how a committee meeting works, please plan to attend. SB 115 SAFE SCHOOLS AMENDMENTS (BILL WRIGHT) SB 115 would provide for mandatory expulsion of students for possession or use of real, look-alike, or pretend firearms. This would include pointing a finger at someone and yelling "Bang", or possession of a tiny gun on a keychain. For details, see the Jan. 18 alert at http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts?alerts01/011801.html Thanks to your efforts, Sen. Wright has agreed to consider amendments to this bill proposed by Utah Gun Owners Alliance, if we will support the amended bill. UTGOA plans to submit the proposed amendments to Sen. Wright tomorrow, and we'll keep you posted. Please continue to encourage Sen. Wright to work with UTGOA to amend his bill. REMINDERS! ALWAYS BE POLITE when communicating with legislators. Be assertive and don't back down. But avoid name-calling or offensive language. If you plan to attend a committee hearing, DRESS APPROPRIATELY! This means neat, clean, pressed clothes in good condition. Avoid T shirts, ragged or dirty jeans, camo, etc. Ideally, you should dress as you would for a business meeting. Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance and Sarah Thompson PO Box 1185 Sandy, UT 84091 801-566-1625 http://www.utgoa.org Director@utgoa.org PLEASE SUPPORT UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE! JOIN US TODAY! Did someone forward this to you? Please SUBSCRIBE NOW! That way you'll receive our FREE alerts as soon as they're released. During the legislative session, we send urgent, time limited alerts. Don't risk missing important information because someone else neglected to forward important information. Our alerts are low volume and average less than one alert per day. To subscribe to the UTGOA list, send a blank email to utgoa-subscribe@egroups.com or use the form on our web site, http://www.utgoa.org. For more information, see http://www.egroups.com/group/UTGOA. UTGOA is written and distributed by, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, www.utgoa.org, and Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed. Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no changes are made, UTGOA is clearly credited, and this message is left intact. Archives of the UTGOA alerts can be found at: http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: UTGOA-unsubscribe@egroups.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:22:55 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: Contrast -- Russian Gun Ad Assumming this is accurate, it sure gives pause for thought... ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control - --------- Forwarded message ---------- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:28:27 -0700 From: charles hardy Subject: FW--More Bills to support/oppose Courtesy of UT-GOA ================================================================== Charles C. Hardy Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control HB 222 - Tax Credit for Safes HB 95 - Regulation of Pawn Shops HB 112 - Prevention of Retaliatory Law Suits HB 186 - Gun Show Background Checks HB 222 - TAX CREDIT FOR RESIDENTIAL SECURITY CONTAINER (Bennion) was passed by the House Taxation and Revenue Committee earlier today and will soon have a vote by the entire House of Representatives. This bill provides a tax credit of up to $150 for the purchase of a safe. See http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts?alerts01/012101.html for details. Rep. Bennion has refused to amend the bill to address Utah Gun Owners Alliance's concerns about the possible misuse of this bill to register people who purchase safes, or to subsidize mandatory use of gun safes. The vote was 6/3/4 (6 for, 3 against, 4 absent or abstaining). Individual votes are not yet available. UTGOA suggests that you contact YOUR Representative and ask him to vote NO on HB 222. HB 95 - REGULATION OF PAWN SHOPS - J. MURRAY UTGOA POSITION: STRONG OPPOSITION HB 95 requires all pawnshops to register each item pawned and the person who pawns it. This information will be transmitted to the local police or sheriff's department on a daily basis. Registration of people includes name, date of birth, description, government ID number, and fingerprint. Registration of the item includes a detailed description, make, manufacturer, serial number, weight, and amount paid. Utah Gun Owners Alliance is specifically concerned that this would allow local law enforcement agencies to register each person who pawns his own firearm. Local agencies are currently prohibited from registering gun owners. However, UTGOA feels obligated to point out that this is a police state bill. It is quite simply none of law enforcement's business if a person pawns his stereo, wedding ring, microwave, or shotgun. Keeping a huge database of every single person who uses a pawn shop because a few criminals try to pawn stolen items is not how a free country operates. Please CALL Rep. Murray (801-393-7062) or clip and send the following: Dear Rep. Murray, I am writing to ask you to withdraw HB 95, Pawnshop Regulations. I am appalled that you would presume to require law enforcement agencies to compile huge databases of law-abiding citizens who use pawnshops, just in case someone tries to pawn stolen property. In the United States, people are innocent until proven guilty. I am also concerned that this bill would register law abiding gun owners with their local law enforcement agency, which could eventually lead to confiscation of those firearms. Why does law enforcement need to know when someone pawns his own gun? Please withdraw HB 95. I will be actively opposing this bill, and will encourage my family and friends to do the same. Thank you. YOUR NAME YOUR ADDRESS HB 112 - PREVENTION OF RETALIATORY LAWSUITS - LOCKHART (Activist protection bill) UTGOA POSITION: STRONG SUPPORT HB 112 provides legal remedies, costs and attorney's fees, and damages for victims of lawsuits filed to suppress or intimidate First Amendment rights relating to the political process. This bill is critically important to grass roots activists. It will protect us from frivolous lawsuits filed to silence us. Just last year, one of our UTGOA supporters was threatened with a lawsuit for posting a sign saying his Senator was an enemy of gun rights - even though it was true. See below for a letter to send to House Rules. HB 186 - GUN SHOW BACKGROUND CHECK AMENDMENTS - DANIELS UTGOA POSITION: STRONGEST OPPOSITION Rep. Scott Daniels didn't just inherit notorious anti-gunner Dave Jones's seat. He's inherited Jones's anti-gun agenda also. HB 186 would require background checks and registration of all firearms transactions at gun shows and other events such as flea markets and fairs. For exact details, read the bill at http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2001/htmdoc/hbillhtm/HB0186.htm While it excludes selling a firearm from your own home, it would include two or more friends selling guns from one location. Background checks would be conducted by an FFL, who would be able to charge a fee in addition to the $7.50 BCI fee. This bill means you would have to ask government permission to sell your own property. It would do nothing to stop criminals, who would simply go out to the parking lot to conduct a transaction - or more likely, get a much cheaper black market gun. It would also help to put gun shows out of business. This is important not just because people buy guns and accessories at gun shows, but because shows are the best place for gun rights advocates to meet each other and organize politically. This is another step toward registration and confiscation of all firearms. First you register guns purchased from dealers, then guns purchased at gun shows, then guns purchased by newspaper or internet ads. Then you require registration each time a gun is repaired. Finally, you make it illegal to sell or give a firearm to anyone (even your own children) without first registering it with the government. Then you round up all the guns - and all the gun owners who refuse to turn them in. There is NO gun show "loophole". Americans have always had the right to sell their own property without government interference. Please CALL members of the House Rules committee and ask them to HOLD HB 95 (Pawnshop Regulations), and HB 186 (Gun Show Background Checks). Ask them to send HB 112 (Retaliatory Lawsuits) to a friendly committee as soon as possible. And be sure to thank Rep. Lockhart for sponsoring HB 112, the Activist Protection Bill. You can also clip and send the following note to members of the House Rules Committee: Subject: HOLD HB 95 and HB 186. Release HB 112 NOW! Dear Members of the House Rules Committee: Please hold the following bills in committee. HB 95 (Pawnshop Regulations) would require law enforcement agencies to register each item pawned and the person who pawned it. This would include registration of people who pawn their own firearms. There is no excuse for the wholesale registration of ordinary people just because they pawn their own property. HB 186 (Background Checks at Gun Shows) would require background checks and registration of private sales of firearms at gun shows and other events. It wouldn't stop criminals who could simply arrange to purchase a gun in the parking lot - or purchase a much cheaper black market gun. Please EXPEDITE sending HB 112 (Prevention of Retaliatory Lawsuits) to a Standing Committee. This important bill would serve to protect ordinary citizens like me from malicious and frivolous lawsuits intended to punish them for participating in political activities. There is simply no excuse not to support this bill. Please HOLD HB 95 and HB 186. Please send HB 112 to committee NOW! Thank you. YOUR NAME YOUR ADDRESS House Rules Committee Chair: Rep. Hatch Vice Chair: Rep. Bennion Anderson,eanderso@le.state.ut.us,435-854-3760 Bennion,cbennion@le.state.ut.us,801-281-1607 Buffmire,jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us,801-266-1862 Bush,dbush@le.state.ut.us,801-825-3210 Dayton,mdayton@le.state.ut.us,801-221-0623 Ferry,bferry@le.state.ut.us,435-744-2997 Goodfellow,goodfebr@slcc.edu, bgoodfel@le.state.ut.us,801-968-0626 Hatch,thatch@le.state.ut.us,435-676-2214 Hendrickson,nhendric@le.state.ut.us,801-969-8920 Lockhart,blockhar@le.state.ut.us,801-377-7428 Saunders,csaunder@le.state.ut.us,801-476-1110 Seitz,jseitz@le.state.ut.us,435-789-0650 Tyler,atyler@le.state.ut.us, lamont.tyler@m.cc.utah.edu,801-272-1218 Full contact info is at: http://www.utgoa.org/resources/legcontact01.html Expect some GOOD news tomorrow or Thursday! 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