From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #218 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Tuesday, October 2 2001 Volume 02 : Number 218 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:48:51 -0700 From: "larry larsen" Subject: RE: Knives used in hijackings Utah Firearms, I am not the writer of my previous post. I got it from the API mailing list, I apologize for any confusion, I should have said something in the first post. Larry - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.277 / Virus Database: 146 - Release Date: 9/5/2001 - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:18:13 -0600 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: 4th plane crashed after passenger revolt? - -------- Original Message -------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:13:40 -0700 To: farber@cis.upenn.edu, ip-sub-1@majordomo.pobox.com From: "Joseph C. Pistritto" Subject: Re: IP: 4th plane crashed after passenger revolt? Cc: jerryp@jerrypournelle.com I think we can consider this confirmed. Another person on that plane's wife was interviewed on KGO radio this morning, he live[d] in Pleasanton, CA, and apparently he made a total of 4 cellphone calls from the airplane to his wife in California, who told him about the WTC airline crash which had happened a few minutes before. He apparently asked a lot of questions about that and on the 4th phone call said that the passengers were going to "do something" to try and take over the plane. This was shortly before the airplane crashed in western Pennsylvania. Apparently not all Americans went down without a fight yesterday. Whatever they did, they probably saved hundreds or thousands of other people's lives by doing it. Thanks, - -jcp- At 10:28 AM 9/12/2001 -0400, David Farber wrote: I too know Jerry and it is believable. Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:25:23 -0700 To: farber@linc.cis.upenn.edu From: "Joseph C. Pistritto" Subject: 4th plane crashed after passenger revolt? I found this on Jerry Pournelle's website. I haven't heard anything about this anywhere else, but I know Jerry and I really doubt he'd put this up if he didnt believe it was accurate: http://www.jerrypournelle.com/mail/currentmail.html#eye Joseph C. Pistritto Cell: 650 464 4859 mailto:jcp@jcphome.com Web: http://www.jcphome.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:01:19 -0600 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: Sarah Brady's Legacy... Let's hear Safe Utah's response to this. - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Sarah Brady's Legacy... Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 06:50:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Marc Visconte" To: "Brad Puryear" CC: LRT-List@free-market.net http://www.vader.com/save_one_life.htm ("If it saves just one life..." article from Sierra Times 9/12/01) http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/sep/12/edtt091201.htm And something that I wrote, tho' not quite as well-stated. Amusingly and amazingly, they want to FURTHER make sheep out of people. The FAA wants to ban knives and "knife-like" objects totally, to the point of replacing the metal meal knives to plastic ones. The anecdotal evidence is that three men may have tried to take matters into their own BARE hands against the non-mercy of the hijackers and may have succeeded in crashing a plane in relative wilderness rather than the hijackers making their way to Camp David or the White House. Think how it might have been had some of those folks had access to the federally limited 4" knife blades? Better, as the hijackers were slitting the throats of the stews to "lure" the pilots out of the cockpit, think of what might have happened had those pilots exited the cockpit armed, albeit with glasers or other pre-fragmented rounds, in .40 handguns? We might instead, today, have to deal with the tragedy of four planes that were ALMOST hijacked, with the loss of a few "overly-valuable" lives and those worthless lives of the hijackers. Today? HOW many tens of thousands, possibly HUNDREDS of thousands, of deaths, how many millions of damage to the 'infrastructure', how many billions of damage to the markets, and how many trillions will it cost before America can sleep, feeling safe again? "If it saves even ONE life...", well damn it Sarah Brady, it MIGHT have saved "just one life"! It might have saved tens of thousands of lives, and yet YOU think that guns are inherently dangerous. You are a fool and a tool, and in some small way, the deaths of all of these people are due, in some part, to your ignorance. Am I crude to link victim disarment with a terrorist action? I think not, as we have been at the mercy of domestic terrorists for decades -- and their method is always the same: "give up your safety or else!" I can only hope that Sarah and her husband, and Dickie, and Diane, and all of the other dis-armers pass a lengthy stay in hell when they pass over, and I hope they're met by all who have died because of the anti-gunners desire to turn us ALL into instant victims, just add legislation. ===== TO THE STATES. To the States or any one of them, or any city of the States, Resist much, obey little, Once unquestioning obedience, once fully enslaved, Once fully enslaved, no nation, state, city of this earth, ever afterward resumes its liberty. -- Walt Whitman, "Leave of Grass", 1881 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- www.LibertyRoundTable.org/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:48:58 -0600 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Statist Republicans to ban encryption? Republicans need to repudiate this, or forever be known as the (Police) Statist Republican Party. Scott http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46816,00.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 09:51:18 -0600 From: charles hardy Subject: FW: Wow, BRAZIL does it right? Does anyone have any contacts in Brazil that could confirm or deny this rather spectacular report? NOTE: I HAVE MADE NO ATTEMPT TO CONFIRM THE FOLLOWING AND POST IT IN HOPES SOMEONE HERE CAN CONFIRM OR REFUTE IT. - ---------------- Charles Hardy - --------- Forwarded message ---------- - ----- Brazil Parliament Votes To Allow Air Passengers To Carry Light Firearms From Thomas Buyea ranger116@webtv.net From Tom=E1s Mano de Carvalho Alliance Nacional do Brasil 9-15-1 RIO DE JANEIRO - To avoid that an aircraft is used as bomb against important buildings, the Brazilian parlament decided today to liberate light weapons (calibre less than 0.38) for all passengers over 21 years old. As 65% of all Brazilians with income more than US$ 2000 always walks equipped with gun, the government finds it safe and guaranteed that sufficient persons will react against any eventual highjackings. Extra information will be distributed and presented by the air hostess, when they show the safety equipment they will also inform the passengers to prepare eventual shot with precision, always take aim at chest to avoid that bullets perforate the shell of the aircraft. The president, Fernando Henrique Cardoso, wanted to make his veto against the proposal, but was rejected by the astounding majority of 234 against 6 votes. Pass this information to American news-agencies to lighten a new angle in perspective of criminality. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:02:19 -0600 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Depressurization? Dave Kopel covers the w/hole thing at: http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel091401.shtml - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:11:51 -0600 From: Charles C Hardy Subject: Paycheck protection starting to work While I disagree with the headline of today's front page SLTrib article, it does look like paycheck protection is starting to reduce the amount of money that Utah's two largest unions can spend over influencing elections. So long as the State wins this one, we will see public unions, and all other PACs on equal footing when it comes to raising money. Anyone who wants to contribute to the UEA or UPEA PAC (seperate from the union itself) will have to do the same thing as those who want to contribute to pro-gun PACs--pull out their checkbooks and send the money in themselves. This should also help protect teachers, police officers, and other union members who are frequently "persuaded" to make "voluntary" PAC contributions via payroll deduction that then go to support political agendas contrary to their wishes. It is just a shame that the State was not successful in blocking the injunction. The law is not currently in effect so payroll deductions for PACs continue. I urge our AG to do everything in his power to defend this good law, win this case, and then make sure the PACs pick up the bill for their failed suit. Charles http://www.sltrib.com/09212001/utah/133792.htm GOP's Deduction Ban Backfires Friday, September 21, 2001 BY DAN HARRIE THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE Republican politicians who enacted a ban on payroll deduction of public employees' political contributions are seeing an important source of money for their campaigns drying up. Instead, those union donations are going to pay the costs of a lawsuit challenging the new statute. The 6,000-member Utah Public Employees Association (UPEA) has placed a moratorium on campaign contributions in response to the GOP-controlled Legislature's passage earlier this year of House Bill 179. That law, which is on hold pending outcome of the court case, enraged union leaders who say it would cripple their ability to amass political war chests and strip them of constitutional rights. "We can't continue to do business as usual," said Fred Van Der Veur, UPEA executive director. Van Der Veur said all requests for campaign donations are being turned down. Ironically, some of the requests for union political cash have come from the very legislators who pushed the bill to end payroll deduction of contributions. Among those receiving rejection notices: Senate President Al Mansell, R-Sandy; House Speaker Marty Stephens, R-Farr West, and Senate Majority Leader Steve Poulton, R-Holladay, who sponsored the union-restricting bill in the Senate. Poulton makes no apologies for inviting UPEA to his fund-raising golf tournament in June, at a cost of $600 per foursome. "I see the irony in it," Poulton acknowledged. "But I don't pass legislation based on who gives me a contribution and who doesn't." UPEA's shutting off the money spigot promises to hit lots of politicians where they live -- in the wallet. New campaign finance reports filed this week with the state show UPEA political expenditures dropped dramatically -- to less than half what they were in the last non-election year. Spending amounted to $31,115 through Sept. 15, compared to $77,496 during the same period in 1999. The money that was spent was mainly for administrative costs, along with a couple of $150 tickets to Gov. Mike Leavitt's annual gala. Normally, the UPEA buys an entire table (10 tickets) at Leavitt's fund-raising dinner. If the freeze continues until 2002, an election year, it could be a major slap to politicians with their hands out . The UPEA usually is one of the top three or four spending political action committees in the state. Last year it pumped $210,937 into Utah elections. The current moratorium extends to all UPEA donations, regardless of party affiliation of the solicitor. But Van Der Veur said he will recommend to the board overseeing the political action committee that they begin making exceptions for elected officials who have a track record of supporting union causes, including opposing HB179. Most minority Democrats in the Legislature voted against the bill, but were overwhelmed by the Republican majority. A Tribune analysis found that Democrats were between four and five times more likely to receive substantial campaign donations from government employee unions than were Republicans. But UPEA maintains it gives more Republican money than other unions. The Utah Education Association (UEA,) which joined other unions in challenging the law in court, also reported reduced political spending this year. But spokesman Jeff Sprole said the drop -- from $73,523 in 1999 to $55,515 this year -- was unrelated to HB179. However, contributions from members to the union's political fund are up 11 percent -- an increase he ascribed to anger over the new payroll deduction ban. Overall, political action committee spending this year in Utah amounts to $881,000, off just $5,000 from two years ago. Leavitt's "special projects committee" was the biggest spender, at $423,373, followed by the UEA and the Utah Association of Realtors, $53,511. Political spending by corporations was down significantly -- $297,219 so far this year, compared with $461,215 during the same period in 1999. The top spending corporations were Huntsman Corp. companies, $25,000; Micron Technology, $23,232, and Delta Air Lines, $21,984. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:48:45 -0600 From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT! Special Session Alert! CALL NOW!! Additional info and perspective on the special session from UTGOA. - ---------------- Charles Hardy - --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sarah Thompson To: utgoa@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:22:55 -0600 Subject: [UTGOA] URGENT! Special Session Alert! CALL NOW!! Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010925224057.00b71d20@mail.therighter.com> - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FZTolB/TM - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Special Session Alert! It appears that our Special Legislative Session on Redistricting has been "hijacked" by enemies of liberty and our American system of government. The Redistricting Session is supposed to be ONLY for redistricting - not for passing bad bills without public notice. If these bills were so important, they should have been considered during the regular session when there was an opportunity for public input and reasoned consideration. Rushing a bill through both chambers of the legislature in one day, without any advance notice, committee review, or opportunity for public input is a recipe for terrible legislation. Don't let your legislators get away with it! There are several bad bills that deserve your attention. Because not all bills have been made public, some of our information is somewhat sketchy, and we obviously can't verify the content of bills we can't see. SENATE PHONE - 538-1035 HOUSE PHONE - 538-1029 SENATE FAX 538-1414 (R) 538-1449 (D) HOUSE FAX 538-1908 (R) 538-9505 (D) Here's what we know right now: 1. Apparently at Governor Leavitt's request, the Senate will most likely be considering a bill to mandate open primaries. We do not have bill language or a sponsor for this bill yet. This bill is apparently an attempt to undo the resolution calling for closed Republican primaries, adopted by elected delegates at this year's Republican State Convention. Since no other parties have primaries, open primaries guarantee that non-Republicans will have as much say in choosing Republican candidates as Republicans do. Whatever you think of Republicans, Republican candidates should be chosen by members of their own party - and not by members of other parties. Please ask your Senator and Representative to OPPOSE any proposal to mandate open primaries. 2. SB 2008 - Peace Officer Status During Olympics - Hillyard - OPPOSE http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2001S2/bills/sbillint/sb2008.htm Call it the 2002 Olympic Police State Act. This bill gives federal law enforcement officers and out of state law enforcement officers full and complete peace officer status for the duration of the Olympics so long as they're acting "in connection with the games". Federal agents will not have to notify or consult with state or county law enforcement. In other words, BATF agents can stop you for having a broken tail light, search your car, seize your gun, and charge you with a federal firearms offense for possession of a firearm in a "gun free" school zone - and your local sheriff doesn't even have to know about it. In addition, the bill grants full law enforcement authority to out-of-state law enforcement agents working under the jurisdiction of the Olympic Public Safety Command. Please call your Senator and Representative and insist that they OPPOSE SB 2008. Please also express your displeasure to Sen. Hillyard. SB 2007 - Workers Compensation Amendments for Out of State Public Safety Officers During the Olympics - Evans - OPPOSE http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2001S2/bills/sbillint/sb2007.htm This is a companion to SB 2008. It provides for Utah funded workers compensation for out of state law enforcement officers providing public safety services in Utah during the Olympics. It also provides liability protection and indemnification. In other words, if the hypothetical BATF agent in the above illustration "feels threatened" and shoots you, you won't even be able to sue. This will also provide indemnification for any other civil rights abuses committed by non-Utahns in conjunction with the Olympics. Please call your Senator and Representative and insist that they OPPOSE SB 2007. 3. HB 2004 - Certification of Primary Voting Requirements by Political Parties - Pace - OPPOSE http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2001S2/bills/hbillint/hb2004.htm This innocuous looking bill is deceptively dangerous. It proposes to change the date that political parties must file their rules for primary elections from March 1 to May 13. After all, what's the big deal about changing a date? This is actually another attempt to circumvent the decision of the Republican delegates to restrict the Republican Primary to Republicans. By moving back the date to certify election procedures, Gov. Leavitt, and other advocates of letting Democrats choose Republican candidates, will get another chance to try to restore open primaries at the 2002 Republican State Convention. Please call your Representative and Senator and insist that they OPPOSE HB 2004. 4. SB 2009 - Criminal Penalties for Riots and False Alarms - Hillyard - OPPOSE http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2001S2/bills/sbillint/sb2009.htm This bill takes an extremely bad law and makes it even worse by increasing the penalties. The existing law says that if you assemble with two or more people in a "tumultuous" manner that "creates a substantial risk of public alarm", and you are carrying a firearm (no exclusion for lawful concealed carry that we can find), you are guilty of a felony. If you're not carrying a firearm, it's currently a Class B misdemeanor; the bill will change this to a Class A misdemeanor. In other words, if you and some other concealed carry permittees gather to protest restrictions on gun rights, and your presence frightens a few members of Utahns Against Gun Violence, you're guilty of a felony, you'll spend time in prison, and you'll lose your gun rights forever. This is ALREADY law. It needs to be repealed, not to have its penalties increased. Vague laws are unconstitutional too. We expect to see more bad bills introduced as the special sessions progress, so please stay tuned. REMEMBER! IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT YOU CALL YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS IMMEDIATELY! By the end of today it will likely be too late! Please also call Senate President Al Mansell (538-1035) and Speaker Marty Stephens (538-1930) and let them know that Redistricting Sessions should be for Redistricting ONLY - and that you are adamantly opposed to consideration of other matters. Also remind them that you oppose giving anti-gun Democrats any special consideration when it comes to redistricting. The reason Democrats don't win many seats in Utah isn't because Republicans are "mean"; it's because most Democrats oppose gun rights! Utah Gun Owners Alliance will be closed Thursday, but we will attempt to let you know the fate of these bills on Friday. PLEASE CALL NOW! Thanks! Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson PO Box 1185 Sandy, UT 84091 801-566-1625 http://www.utgoa.org Director@utgoa.org PLEASE SUPPORT UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE! JOIN US TODAY! Did someone forward this to you? Please SUBSCRIBE NOW! That way you'll receive our FREE alerts as soon as they're released. During the legislative session, we send urgent, time limited alerts. Don't risk missing important information because someone else neglected to forward important information. Our alerts are low volume and average less than one alert per day. 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Archives of the UTGOA alerts can be found at: http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. is a Utah non-profit corporation. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: UTGOA-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:52:26 -0600 From: "Scott Bergeson" Subject: Sign sticks at rallies While cropped out of the picture at the URL below, Tuesday's Salt Lake Tribune showed Utah Democrats at a rally on the Utah State Capitol grounds carrying signs with sticks. Please see the original article and save it if you have it. With this precedent gun rights activists, Libertarians, religious rights activists, and the like need no longer carry signs at demonstrations absent the aid of sticks. Or will the state police exercise blatant selective "law" enforcement? If so, this calls for civil rights and RICO lawsuits. Scott http://www.sltrib.com/2001/sep/09252001/utah/134934.htm - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:03:04 -0600 From: "Scott Bergeson" Subject: FW: A pilot's solution Forward to any pilots you know. - ----- Fraternal Brothers and Sisters, My name is John Burnett. I am a DC-10 Captain for FedEx. I am also a Police Officer for the Memphis Police Department. My purpose in writing this is to share some of my thoughts regarding actions a pilot might consider when faced with a modern-day hijacker. These thoughts are "outside-the-box" when it comes to the way we've all been trained. Neither the FAA or our companies will suggest any of these techniques or implement them as a part of our normal training cycles. They couldn't for fear of lawsuits. I am distributing this via e-mail to buddies I've flown with. I'm asking them to send it to their circle of friends within the industry, and for you to send it to yours. I know most of us have e-mail, and I hope this reaches the next to face the horror of some religious fanatic onboard. We have all had "training" in what to do in case of a hijacking; try to keep the hijacker calm, make him think you're doing what he wants, take him wherever he wants to go, etc., etc., etc. Save your passengers, your crew, and your aircraft. In an emergency, you will revert to that training. When our unfortunate peers were faced with the screams of the Flight Attendants and hijacker's demands to open the cockpit door, their training probably made them open the door. When the fanatics made demands, their training told them to comply as best they could. I can only wonder what their thoughts were as they left the cockpit and were tied up in the back of the plane; what they thought as they descended over New York.. I hope the fanatics had to kill them in their seats and drag their dead bodies out of the cockpit. But, I bet they did as they were trained to do.. As you look back over recent hijackings, FedEx, Egypt Air, and now the September 11th hijackings, you see a perpetrator who, for one reason or another wants to take over the airplane and kill himself. Each of these hijackers, except for the FedEx incident, were successful. They took over the airplane and killed everyone onboard. If you're following the news programs today, you hear a lot about how we could let these hijackers learn to fly. You would think if knowing how to fly would guarantee a successful hijacking, Auburn Calloway (the FedEx hijacker) would have been a hijacker success story. He was a Navy pilot, a martial arts student, a fellow FedEx crewmember, and he took all the weapons he needed: hammers, knives and a spear gun. He didn't have to overcome any Flight Attendants or demand they open the cockpit door. He just went back to his bag, took out his hammer came back into the cockpit and started crushing skulls. The crewmembers on that flight didn't worry about Flight Attendants, they didn't worry about passengers. All three pilots left the cockpit and fought a hand-to-hand, life-or-death battle. To survive today's hijacker, you cannot worry about your passengers; you cannot worry about your Flight Attendants. You must develop a mind-set that everyone onboard - including yourself - is already dead. Because, if the hijacker is successful in taking over your airplane, not only you, your crew, your passengers and your aircraft are lost, but thousands on the ground are at risk. One of the reasons the FedEx crew survived, is the extraordinary actions of the co-pilot. Although he had brain injury, the co-pilot took the DC-10 and immediately executed a half-roll. This maneuver took the hijacker off his feet as the Captain and S/O were struggling with him. During a point in the maneuver, the hijacker, Captain and S/O were thrown back behind the cockpit door. When he righted the airplane, the F/O then left his seat and joined the fight in the galley area of the plane. It was only after the Captain determined the hijacker was subdued, he returned to the cockpit and flew the airplane to landing. Very few of us have had to confront true evil. Fewer still have seriously considered taking the life of another human being. I believe this is the reason the FedEx crew did not kill their attacker. The crew's heroism that day is beyond belief and any action that leads to a safe landing and recovery cannot be argued with. But, when the Captain left the F/O and S/O, thinking the situation was under control, he was mistaken. The F/O and S/O had sustained serious, life-threatening injuries. The hijacker had not. As the Captain flew the aircraft, the hijacker, who had surrendered, began the fight anew. As the airplane landed, the hijacker was just moments away from overcoming the two crewmembers. I mention this for your consideration. I would suggest that you make the conscious decision to kill anyone who tries to take your airplane from you. Today we are at war. The hijacker who comes through your cockpit door is going to kill you and everyone onboard. So, how do you do that? What weapons are available to us as pilots? The intercom. Command that all men come forward and fight with the hijackers. You have many able-bodied men onboard. They are sitting in shock not knowing what to do. Command they come forward and help you kill your attackers. And, they will come. The airplane itself. Get the hijackers off their feet. Go into an immediate dive to float them to the ceiling. Then execute a 6G positive maneuver and hope they hit their head or break their back as they hit the floor, galley shelf, etc. Dump the cabin - maybe one of the hijackers has a head cold. Pull the fire handles, shut the start levers and turn the fuel valves off. If you lose the battle, at least the airplane won't be used as a guided missile on a kamikaze mission. With luck, maybe these guys didn't learn how to do an in-flight restart. Then leave the cockpit - all of you, and kill your attackers - don't believe it when they surrender - don't be nice to them - KILL THEM. Flare Gun If your airplane has one, the Captain might consider making sure it's loaded and secured next to his bag. I can think of nothing more satisfying than watching a ball of burning phosphorous embedded into a fanatic's gut, burning its way through him. The crash-axe. I would suggest you have your co-pilot take it from its holder and secure it next to him so he has it immediately available. Makes an excellent skull crusher. Your flashlight. The FAA used to require a 2 cell. A 3 cell Mag-Light makes an excellent weapon. If your maneuvers have the hijackers on the floor writhing in pain, crush their skulls with it. Your stolen hotel bic pen. Drive it into an attacker's eye, ear, throat, or into the area just under the jaw bone. That's a particular interesting place to drive it, because when he opens his mouth to scream, you can read "Hyatt" sticking there. Your hand and fingers Drive your fingers into his eyes and try to feel your fingernails scrape the back of his eye sockets. Scoop the eyeballs out. It will confuse the hell out of him when he finds himself looking at his shoes as they dangle there on the ocular nerves. Your teeth. Remember Hannabal Lecter. Eat a nose, a cheek, or a finger. And keep eating. Attack with all viciousness. A piranha is a small fish, but it's greatly feared. A hijacker is not expecting you to eat him and it might make him forget why he got on your airplane to begin with. It will, at least, impress his buddies. Now here's my wish-list of things the FAA could do to help, especially in this time of war. Arm the Captain The battle is not going to require any long shots and a small revolver would be a good choice. It would hold off the attackers long enough for you to disable your aircraft. If the attackers claimed the red package they were holding was a bomb, I'd shoot out the door glass and hope the door would be ripped out and the hijacker and his package would be sucked out. And hey, if I got sucked out with him, I'd try to fly myself to the hijacker look in his face and laugh at him all the way to the ground. Invite the local Police to jumpseat Police are always looking for something free. Donut shops used to be a favorite target for robbers - until they started giving donuts to the Police. Robbers don't rob donut shops anymore. I would suggest each Police Department send the FAA a list of the best shots on the department and those guys and their guns would be welcome on my airplane. Fill every vacant seat with armed Police - give them a donut - and tell them to shoot anyone who gives your Flight Attendant any shit. Stop this silly no-knife rule. Make it public. Tell the public they're welcome to bring their pocket knives onboard. Then everyone will bring them. When you make your intercom call for help, you'll have a dozen or more knife wielding helpers trying to make sure their new Gerber tastes fanatics blood. There are even a few of them who'd want to keep ears as souvenirs. Law enforcement agencies are all aware there are copy-cat criminals and fanatics. We have a number of loony fanatical hate-groups here in the USA: ALF, PETA, KKK, Army of God, Anti-abortionists, and the list goes on. It doesn't matter the size of your airplane. Right now, as I write this, there is an anti-abortionist escapee here in the Memphis area. He's seen what happened at the World Trade Center. A small commuter plane would do a great job on an abortion clinic, or on an animal research facility, or on a local synagogue, mosque, etc., etc., etc..... None of us is immune. Take some time and consider your actions if this event should ever happen to you. My prayer is none of you ever have to face this kind of decision. Best of luck to you, and may God Bless John Burnett - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:45:01 -0600 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: Gun Rights: Time for Federal Action, Not Just Words Gun Rights: Time for Federal Action, Not Just Words Join this Demand for Enforcement of the Second Amendment! http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com/Petition A Petition for Enforcement of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States -- This project applies to all 50 states and is something you can easily do as you go about your daily life. Please do your part, starting today. It's quite simple. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:29:07 -0600 From: Charles C Hardy Subject: PSA -- Reminder to vote Tuesday Everyone, Just a public service announcement reminding you that Tuesday, Oct. 2nd (tomorrow) is the date of non-partisan, municipal elections here in Utah. Most communities are holding non-partisan, primary elections for some or all of the following offices: Mayor, City Council, and school board members. Some cities (most notably, SLC) are not electing some offices like mayor this year. In many cities, there will be some races that are not heavily contested enough to require a primary. (Generally speaking, a primary is only held if 3 or more candidates have filed for the same, single seat office. The primary eliminates all but the top two candidates who then advance to the general election next month.) Polls should be open from 7:00 am until 8:00 pm. Please note that your polling place for this municipal election *MAY* be different that your polling place for State/Federal Partisan races. If in doubt about the location, your County Clerk can provide the proper location. Contact info for County Clerks is at http://www.governor.state.ut.us/lt_gover/97Clerks.htm . You must already be registered to vote in order to vote in this primary. If you have not moved since you last voted, you should be registered to vote already. If you are not registered to vote, you can register online at http://www.utah.gov/ovr and you will then be able to vote in the municipal general elections to be held next month. Charles PS, This non-partisan, municipal primary is NOT effected by the recent decision by the GOP to disallow Democrats and Independant voters from voting in Republican Primaries. ALL Registered voters, regarldess of any or no official party affiliation are eligible to vote in the primary tomorrow. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 20:19:35 -0600 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: Project: Safe Skies official launch - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: ! Project: Safe Skies official launch Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 01:48:56 +0000 From: "Sunni Maravillosa" To: lrt-list@free-market.net, lrt-discuss@vader.com Hello all, We finally have the basic skeleton up for Project: Safe Skies, at http://www.ProjectSafeSkies.org/. It's far from complete, but we have the activism stuff--sample letters, addresses of airline execs, media types, and politicians--and rebuttals to objections regarding civilian carry of firearms on commercial flights. Please wander by at your convenience, and let us know what you think. More important, please help us spread the word. Our official launch date is October 11, and we're planning to launch with a bang. If you're a writer, please write a piece about our project, include a link to our site, and publish it. If you're on lots of discussion lists, please post a PSA on our behalf. If you run a news service, discussion list, or somesuch, please include a mention of our project for your readers. Email editors of print publications, requesting they cover the movement. Write a paragraph in support of our cause and link to us from your web site. Put our URL in your sig line for that day. We've invited lots of friends--L Neil, J Neil, Claire Wolfe, Vin Suprynowicz, Aaron Zelman, etc.--to participate, so you'll be among great company. I am available for interviews--email preferred, phone tolerated--to anyone who's interested in supporting Project: Safe Skies. If you'd like to help with the project, plase email me or The Hunter mailto:hunter@mva.net about it. We really need graphics help, for example. Thanks for your help! Sunni =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Never Again Unarmed... Let Freedom Fight! http://www.ProjectSafeSkies.org/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.LibertyRoundTable.org/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:54:10 -0600 From: charles hardy Subject: Fw: FW: Project: Safe Skies official launch FWIW... - ---------------- Charles Hardy - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: ! Project: Safe Skies official launch Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 01:48:56 +0000 From: "Sunni Maravillosa" To: lrt-list@free-market.net, lrt-discuss@vader.com Hello all, We finally have the basic skeleton up for Project: Safe Skies, at http://www.ProjectSafeSkies.org/. It's far from complete, but we have the activism stuff--sample letters, addresses of airline execs, media types, and politicians--and rebuttals to objections regarding civilian carry of firearms on commercial flights. Please wander by at your convenience, and let us know what you think. More important, please help us spread the word. Our official launch date is October 11, and we're planning to launch with a bang. If you're a writer, please write a piece about our project, include a link to our site, and publish it. If you're on lots of discussion lists, please post a PSA on our behalf. If you run a news service, discussion list, or somesuch, please include a mention of our project for your readers. Email editors of print publications, requesting they cover the movement. Write a paragraph in support of our cause and link to us from your web site. Put our URL in your sig line for that day. We've invited lots of friends--L Neil, J Neil, Claire Wolfe, Vin Suprynowicz, Aaron Zelman, etc.--to participate, so you'll be among great company. I am available for interviews--email preferred, phone tolerated--to anyone who's interested in supporting Project: Safe Skies. If you'd like to help with the project, plase email me or The Hunter mailto:hunter@mva.net about it. We really need graphics help, for example. Thanks for your help! Sunni =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Never Again Unarmed... Let Freedom Fight! http://www.ProjectSafeSkies.org/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - - ------------------------------ End of utah-firearms-digest V2 #218 ***********************************