From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #225 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Wednesday, February 27 2002 Volume 02 : Number 225 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:33:33 -0700 From: Charles C Hardy Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Pro-gun Amendment Vote Today! I personally believe that the entire campaign finance reform bill is unconstitutional and full of hypocrisy. Apparantly the Senate (McCain Feingold) version specifically exempts Indian Tribes from the rules imposed on the rest of us. I'm sure it is only coincidence that the number one recipient of Indian Tribe money just happens to be Sen. McCain. Normally, I'd have some reservations about putting in a special exemption for gun groups. For, while I value the 2nd amd very highly, I am no less attached to the first amd. I do want and need to hear what the GOA, UTGOA, GOUtah, and other gun groups have to say about who has really supported or betrayed my gun rights. However, I cannot support silencing the CATO Institute, HCI, the Sierra Club, SUWA, gay/lesbian groups, or anyone else regardless of the issues the track or which side they take. To do so is to allow the first amd to die a death by a thousand cuts. However, in this case, the exemption being proposed below is likely to be a "poison pill" amendment that will doom the entire bill if it is attached. And even if it isn't attached, the vote on it may well expose who really supports the 2nd amnd. Last night on MSNBC, Alan Keyes discussed this very topic. It was amazing to see how those who support this piece of "incumbant protection" refused to debate the specifics. Everytime the discussion turned to the limits placed on grassroots organizations, the anti-free-speech camp shifted into talking about "soft money," "Enron," or some other topic not related to the issue of gagging grassroots groups prior to elections. Charles The latest from Ut-GOA: - --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sarah Thompson To: utgoa@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:53:13 -0700 Subject: [UTGOA] Pro-gun Amendment Vote Today! Due to the urgency of this message, we are forwarding Gun Owners of America's alert to you, rather than writing a new one. Apologies to those of you who receive duplicates. Contact Your Congressman! -- Tell him or her to support the Pickering amendment to the Incumbent Protection Bill Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org (Wednesday, February 13, 2002) -- Late tonight, the U.S. House of Representatives will consider the anti-gun Incumbent Protection Bill (H.R. 2356). Shays-Meehan (so-called Campaign Finance Reform) is particularly a dagger at the heart of pro-gun groups. Groups like GOA would be prohibited from engaging in many forms of communication to the public which mention the names of incumbent legislators within 60 days of an election. This would give anti-gunners a decisive advantage. For instance, if anti-gun groups were prohibited from broadcasting ads depicting pro-gun candidates, they would have little trouble getting the Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, Philadelphia Enquirer, L.A. Times, etc., (all of which are exempt from the legislation) to run the ads as Editorials. Pro-gun groups rarely receive any positive attention from the major media outlets. Thus, GOA members and supporters often rely on our advocacy to inform them of how their Representatives in Washington are voting -- and to alert them when important votes are pending, no matter how close to an election such votes may occur. To protect the right of groups like GOA to communicate to the public, an amendment to Shays-Meehan has been offered by pro-gun Rep. Chip Pickering (R-MS), which would: exempt Second Amendment groups from the bill's requirements. In addition to protecting the rights of groups like GOA to communicate with the public, the Pickering amendment draws a line in the sand in reaffirming that the Second Amendment is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT. The Pickering amendment would also: declare that the Second Amendment applies to ALL AMERICANS and NOT just to the National Guard. As you know, there are many politicians who pretend to support the Second Amendment in order to secure your votes, but sabotage gun rights once they are elected. Today's vote on the Gun Owners Protection amendment will distinguish our friends from our enemies. NO POLITICIAN WHO VOTES TO LIMIT THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE NATIONAL GUARD -- BY OPPOSING THIS AMENDMENT -- SHOULD EXPECT ANYONE TO BELIEVE THAT HE IS ANYTHING BUT ANTI-GUN. ACTION: Please e-mail or call your congressman IMMEDIATELY. Tell him or her to support the pro-gun amendment to the Shays-Meehan Incumbent Protection Bill. You can call your Representative at 202-225-3121. To identify your Representative, as well as to send a message via e-mail, see the Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm on the GOA website. - ----- Pre-written message ----- Dear Congressman, An amendment to the Shays-Meehan Incumbent Protection Bill to protect the right of Second Amendment groups to communicate effectively to the public is being offered today. I cannot count on the major media to inform me of what's going on concerning my gun rights. I must rely on GOA and other groups to inform me of pending legislation or congressional votes, no matter how close to an election these issues arise. In fact, the primary concern of the First Amendment is to protect exactly the type of political communication Shays-Meehan is trying to destroy. The Pickering amendment reaffirms that the Second Amendment is an individual right, not one reserved to the National Guard. I urge you to support the Pickering Gun Owners Protection amendment. 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:31:46 -0700 From: scott bergeson Subject: UPI Report Links Kmart Money Woes To Pro-Gun Boycott http://www.sierratimes.com/02/02/13/argw021302.htm UPI Report Links Kmart Money Woes To Pro-Gun Boycott Sierra Times/GunWeek.com Gun Week.com : 02.13.02 United Press International (UPI) has not exactly been friendly to gun rights over the years, but on the heels of Kmart's announced bankruptcy filing in January, UPI carried a news item that seemed a bit surprising. The UPI report suggested that a boycott of the department store chain by "Pro-Second Amendment activists . . . because of the vocal anti-gun activity of Kmart spokesman (sic) Rosie O'Donnell" had an impact on Kmart's collapse. UPI failed to also mention Kmart's equally foolish moves in pulling handguns and ammunition off the shelves, which was also seen by gunowners as a bigoted slap in the face toward firearm civil rights and the hunting tradition. Gun Week heard from countless gunowners and hunters who, in the wake of the announced firearms and ammo sales policy changes, simply said they would shop elsewhere. The bigger impact, of course, apparently was in reaction to O'Donnell's appearance as a Kmart spokeswoman. After O'Donnell used her afternoon television program to attack actor Tom Selleck for appearing in an "I'm the NRA" advertisement, Kmart was flooded with angry calls and mail, and gunowners mounted a boycott. O'Donnell eventually parted ways with Kmart (or vice versa), with both the ultra-liberal talk host and the store claiming it had nothing to do with the boycott. UPI noted: "Outraged firearms owners have been encouraging people to shop at WalMart instead." That may change, too, apparently because some WalMart stores are also now pulling some guns and ammunition from their inventories. In accordance with Title 17 Section 107 of the United States Code, all material contained herein is distributed for educational purposes, and for other fair use purposes including, but not limited to, criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship and/or research. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:19:31 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: Karl Pearson Subject: [Concealed_Carry] Recap: Legally armed citizen shot 8 times in "Friendly Fire" (fwd) FYI: http://www.indystar.com/article.php?shot15.html Authorities haven't reviewed shooting of citizen Man who was attempting to help officers apprehend suspects in deputy's slaying was mistakenly targeted. By Vic Ryckaert vic.ryckaert@indystar.com February 15, 2002 When police shoot an innocent civilian, an outcry usually follows. But Stephen Flynn was shot in the midst of a virtual war zone, an injury eclipsed by the death of a Marion County sheriff's deputy slain moments before by suspects toting assault rifles. Four months after the Near- Northside incident, police have yet to review and make public the evidence that suggests two officers mistakenly fired on Flynn amid the chaos and confusion of Sept. 17. Two men died that night -- the 24-year-old deputy and a 20- year-old suspect. An officer, another civilian and Flynn were wounded. Flynn was shot eight times in the legs and hips and left partially blind by a round that hit near his right eye. All that shooting usually requires extensive study by each agency's firearms review board. A killing by police requires a grand jury review. So far, in the case of Sheriff's Reserve Deputy Lawrence Conley and Indianapolis Police Officer Brandon Mills, no such steps have been taken. In part, that's because Police and Sheriff's department officials say there's no sign of impropriety in the shootings. Flynn had been helping police on the night Deputy Jason Baker was slain. Flynn gave several officers information about where the suspects fled. But when two other officers came upon Flynn -- to them an unidentified man carrying a gun -- they shot him. Marion County Prosecutor Scott Newman has barred police from discussing the incident, but he concedes that someone might have made a mistake that night. "I'm extremely sympathetic to any citizen or police officer who is injured in friendly fire," Newman said. "Things like that happen in the chaotic atmosphere that's created when police are being fired upon by suspects with assault rifles." Flynn, who carries two police bullets in his body and an inch-long scar on his nose near his right eye, said, "I wasn't trying to be a hero. That was the furthest thing from my mind." Flynn, 36, saw the suspects flee after crashing their car behind his home. He told several officers where the men ran and pointed to where the one carrying an AK-47 was hiding. Neither officer involved in the Flynn shooting was suspended or placed on administrative leave after the incident. Sheriff's Col. Larry Logsdon said he has no reason to believe his deputy fired the shots unjustly. Indianapolis Police Department spokesman Lt. Paul Ciesielski said the same goes for the officer involved. But Flynn believes there's no question about who was wrong that night. The hospital security guard was identified in early news stories as a bystander caught in the crossfire. But even the Indianapolis Police Department recognized that's not the whole story -- the department awarded Flynn a Certificate of Appreciation in December. Flynn said he was following the orders of an Indianapolis police officer who told him to crawl toward better cover. That officer, Frank Wooten, was awarded a Purple Heart and Medal of Valor during a Dec. 11 ceremony. During that ceremony, Ciesielski told the audience that Wooten was shot in the leg as he attempted to protect an "innocent civilian." The shotgun pellet that hit Wooten has been described by some officials as "friendly fire." Newman, the prosecutor, said it is not proper for police to speak publicly about this high-profile case before trial. Michael Shannon, accused of murdering Baker, could face the death penalty if convicted, and Newman fears publicity would make it harder to select an impartial jury. Allen Dumperth, the armed man whom Flynn saw jump the fence, was killed that night by two members of the sheriff's SWAT team -- Deputies Charles Deblaso and Larry Stipe. Flynn intends to sue the two departments. Marion County Sheriff Jack Cottey refused to dispute Flynn's claims and said the courts will have to sort out the facts. "I'm not going to try to second-guess Mr. Flynn or second-guess the officers," Cottey said. "There were a lot of shots being fired. Any evidence of what happened that night will be presented in court." Elder Lionel T. Rush, pastor of Greater Harvest Institutional Church of God in Christ, said the incident shows there was a breakdown in communication between the officers on the scene. "I wish (Flynn) had stayed with the police officers instead of being somewhere in no-man's land," Rush said. "With that many officers approaching, I could see room for confusion, but the onus is still on the officers to shoot (or) don't shoot." Rush, a vocal police critic, said the departments need to provide better training on the use of deadly force and ought to practice working together in the event of this kind of crisis. They also need to take responsibility for the damage and pain Flynn suffered, Rush said, and they need to compensate him "without hesitation." "They have to say they made a mistake," Rush said. "If they don't say they made a mistake, some of us won't be so generous with our statements." Call Vic Ryckaert at 1-317-635-7592. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:17:11 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Larry Elder On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:53:58 -0500 TJC says: Okay, everybody who's surprised about the way the media treated this, raise your hand. http://NewsAndOpinion.com/cols/elder1.asp - -- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:30:36 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Original Intent - The National Firearms Act - -----Original Message----- From: jr [mailto:jr@tslci.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:37 PM Subject: Original Intent - The National Firearms Act Here's an interesting write up of the basis of the federal claim to the regulation of firearms. It never seemed right to me that they should be able to write so many regulations when the Constitution says that the federal government may not infringe the right to bear arms. This article makes some very interesting claims. Jed [][][][][][][] http://www.originalintent.org/chapter44.shtml - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:11:22 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: RLC News & Views - February 21, 2002 Excerpted Gun-Grabbers On the March Again "Representatives of the self-evidently named National Campaign to Close the Newspaper Gun Ad Loophole are scheduled to release a study this week that purports to show that classified ads are "a potential source of guns (including assault weapons) for terrorists, criminals, and the mentally ill’" "The group says such sales permit gun purchasers to avoid mandated background checks in the 16 states surveyed -- where more than 75 percent of the surveyed newspapers allow guns to be sold through classified ads. "Sales of guns through newspaper classifieds offer the anonymity and ability to avoid law enforcement checks, which make them a potential source of guns for terrorists,’ John Johnson, executive director of the Iowans for the Prevention of Gun Violence, said in a release." - - UPI's "Capital Comment" 2/20/02 - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:30:36 -0700 From: Charles C Hardy Subject: WARNING: Project Safe Neighborhoods comes to Utah This is from today's SLTrib. West Valley City is getting Project Safe Neighborhoods. While it sounds nice at first glance, there are many problems with this program including the federalization of local crime issues. Charles http://www.sltrib.com/02222002/utah/713679.htm Grant May Toughen Gun-Crime Penalties In West Valley City Friday, February 22, 2002 BY IRENE HSIAO SPECIAL TO THE TRIBUNE WANTED: A new West Valley City prosecutor who will collaborate with the U.S. Attorney's Office in imposing stiffer sentences on criminals illegally possessing guns or using them in violent crimes. The city received a three-year, $120,000 grant from the federal government in January to hire a "street savvy" prosecutor who will prosecute West Valley City cases in federal court, said John Huber, West Valley City chief enforcement attorney. The "Project Safe Neighborhoods" initiative is part of a nationwide effort to charge criminals with federal gun offenses. President Bush and U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft have declared the gun project second in importance only to terrorism, said Paul Warner, the U.S. attorney for Utah. "This is an anti-criminal program, not an anti-gun program," Warner said. "This isn't against the Second Amendment or anything else." The West Valley City program will emphasize domestic violence and drug abuse cases involving guns. About 40 percent of West Valley City homicides are in the home, much higher than the national average of 11 percent. "We want to find those cases and pluck those people out of our neighborhood," Huber said. West Valley City wants to prosecute the cases in federal court because sentences there are generally tougher than in state court, he said. That will help keep the criminals off the streets longer, Huber added. "Project Safe Neighborhoods" is an expansion of a similar state initiative called Project Criminal Use of Firearms by Felons, said Warner. Project CUFF has filed charges in 389 federal cases statewide in the past two years. The context of the crime will determine whether it can be brought to federal court, Warner said. West Valley City is the only city in Utah that will have a special prosecutor for such crimes. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:43:47 -0700 From: Charles C Hardy Subject: BAD substitute to HB 219 Friends, Scott Daniels ((home) 801-582-8080 (office) 801-583-0801 (fax) 801-583-0802 E-mail Address: sdaniels@le.state.ut.us) has offered a substitute bill to HB 219. HB 219 is Rep. Philpot's bill that would eliminate fees for CCW permits. Rep. Daniels' substitute would raise fees from $35 (plus $24 for fingerprints to the FBI) to $53 (plus the $24 for the FBI). This is a 51% increase!! It also increases renewal and replacement fees by 1/3 from $10 to $15. It then provides for a waiver of fees for those who cannot afford to pay them. The bill requires the disclosure of all income, assets, etc, but provides no qualifications other than completing the form. My guess is he plans to make the form so onerous and intrusive to fill out, that no one will fill it out. Any future attempts to reduce or eliminate the fees will be met with him retorting, "Anyone who can't afford a permit can get one for free now by filling out the waiver. No one has (or Only x number have and the average income among those was a million dollars a year) so obviously there is no problem." This is a typical liberal class-warfare type approach. "From each according to his ability..." for those who enjoy Marx. It completely misses the point of the bill which is "we should not charge for rights" even IF someone can "afford to pay." I suggest alerts to your respective groups about this clearly anti-gun substitute to a very good, principled bill. While I (and BCI--recall the testimony offered during the hearing on HB 219) believe that current fees DO keep some number of people from getting a permit to CCW, that is NOT the point of HB 219. Under the Utah constitution, we enjoy an individual right to BOTH OWN AND CARRY (eg "keep and bear") weapons for self defense. We should not charge to exercise a right. And even if CCW is not a right, there is no reason why those CCW holders who can pay, should subsidize those who cannot. Welfare should be explicitly labeled and tracked as such so we can keep track of how much of it there is. On the plus side, the existance of such a substitute may help HB 219 move up the calander for a vote at a quicker pace than otherwise. And we've got to give the anti's credit for knowing and using the process. They've been completely shut down in committee hearings the last few years. So now they're trying to use our good bills to advance their statist agenda. Not only do they avoid a committee hearing, they also stand some chance of derailing our good bills. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:24:11 -0700 (MST) From: Subject: [none] Below I've excerpted from an article that appeared in the Washington Times on the 21st. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan hopes you won't read it and it's also one the establishment media won't likely be letting you know about. "Assault rifles for Annan guards investigated" by The Washington Times, 2/21/02 http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020221-14729320.htm The article can be viewed for the next six days free. It will be available afterwards for $1.95 from the Times' archives. - -- Karl L. Pearson Senior Consulting Systems Analyst Senior Consulting Database Analyst karlp@ourldsfamily.com My Thoughts on Terrorism In America: http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml Assault rifles for Annan guards investigated By Stewart Stogel SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES NEW YORK -- The U.S. government is investigating whether the United Nations illegally imported and issued paramilitary assault rifles to Secretary-General Kofi Annan's security detail. Sources in the U.N. Security and Safety Service say that the members of Mr. Annan's personal protective detail have been using the German-made MP5 submachine guns since 1998, despite an apparent failure to obtain U.S. clearance for their use. U.N. officials say that the use of the highly restricted firearm has been cleared with U.S. authorities. But Mike Campbell, a spokesman for the Treasury Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, confirmed in an interview that an inquiry into the U.N. personnel's use of the weapon was initiated two weeks ago. The dispute is made even more sensitive by the fact that Mr. Annan himself led a U.N. effort last summer to stem the production and sale of small arms around the world, an effort that drew criticism from U.S. gun-ownership groups and from the Bush administration. "There is no single tool of conflict so widespread, so easily available and so difficult to restrict as small arms," Mr. Annan told a special meeting of the Security Council in July. The MP5, described by its German manufacturer Heckler and Koch GmbH as a "paramilitary assault rifle" commonly used by police SWAT squads, is just one of several varieties of assault weapons currently in the possession of the United Nations, said one U.N. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. America's use of the MP5 is normally limited to law-enforcement organizations, Mr. Campbell said. Importation of the submachine gun is tightly controlled, he said. The United States does not consider the U.N. security service a law-enforcement organization and thus deems it ineligible to possess weapons such as the MP5, according to a State Department official. "If the United Nations had applied for permission to obtain these guns, most likely it would have been rejected" again, said the official, who requested anonymity. The State Department official said the United Nations first approached the U.S. government for permission to purchase the MP5 in early 1998 and was refused. Just how Mr. Annan's security detail obtained the weapons is the focus of the U.S. government probe. Michael McCann, who has directed U.N. security operations since 1994, refused to comment on the issue, but U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard denied any wrongdoing. Mr. Eckhard said he had checked with the security service and was told that all the necessary licenses for the weapons carried by U.N. personnel had been obtained. "I flatly reject the notion any laws have been broken," he said. An American citizen and a veteran of the New York Police Department, Mr. McCann has been a frequent target of criticism by both U.N. diplomats and staff over security at the New York site. < start deletion > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:14:57 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Never disarm! Warlord's men commit rape in revenge against Taliban - ---------- Boston Globe The ouster of the Taliban by the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance did not stop the use of rape as a way to demoralize and dominate. Pashtun families make easy targets because they were disarmed when Dostum's troops, assisted by US special forces, drove out the Taliban. (02/24/02) http://www.free-market.net/rd/863655264.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:14:48 -0700 From: Charles C Hardy Subject: HB 82 -- CCW storage bill to be heard in the morning This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ----__JNP_000_58c6.16ff.2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HB 82, Storage of Concealed Firearms on Facilities with Secure Areas -- Swallow, J. will be heard in the house standing Judiciary Committee, in room 405 starting at 7:00 am. This bill is first on the agenda. The bill is simple and straightforward. It clarifies existing law and specifically requires that IF a courtroom or courthouse establishes a "secure area" then it MUST provide free, on premise storage for those legally carrying a concealed weapon may safely store their weapons prior to entering the secure area. The bill is not perfect, in that it does not apply to legally carried weapons carried without a permit--open carry, or pocket knife or other items that a court may not allow into a secure area--especially now that EVERYTHING is a weapon for pursposes of airplanes--but for which a person does not need a permit. We hope we can ammend that, but even if we can't, I believe the bill moves us in the right direction as many courts throughout the State have secure areas but do not provide storage. Please contact committee members today at the legislature: 538-1029 or tonight at home. I would suggest focusing on those who are at least nominally pro-gun. Ask members to ATTEND the hearing AND to support this bill while opposing all anti-gun amendments, substitutions, or procuderal tactics that might be used to derail the bill. If at all possible, please attend the hearing tomorrow morning. With the time and schedule, most of us should be able to attend and still get to work at least close to on time. Public Parking is on street or in the northwest parking lot. For those using I 15, I find 600 North to be a nicer route than 600 So. Charles Committee members: Rep. Glenn L. Way, Chair 801-798-2295 Rep. James A. Ferrin, Vice Chair (home) 801-224-6823 (office) 801-224-9867 Rep. Patrice M. Arent Rep. Chad E. Bennion (home) 801-281-1607 (office) 801-468-2876 (fax) 801-288-2144 Rep. Ron Bigelow 801-968-4188 Rep. Katherine M. Bryson 801-226-2061 Rep. Greg J. Curtis (home) 801-943-3091 (office) 801-942-7464 Rep. Scott Daniels Rep. Ben C. Ferry (home & office) 435-744-2997 (fax) 435-744-2999 Rep. Neal B. Hendrickson Rep. Eric Hutchings Rep. Mike Thompson (home) 801-226-5032 (office) 801-223-9044 Rep. A. Lamont Tyler Committee - ----__JNP_000_58c6.16ff.2004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HB 82,  Storage of Concealed Firearms on Facilities with Secure = Areas=20 - -- Swallow, J. will be heard in the house standing Judiciary Committee, in = room=20 405 starting at 7:00 am.  This bill is first on the agenda.  The = bill=20 is simple and straightforward.  It clarifies existing law and = specifically=20 requires that IF a courtroom or courthouse establishes a "secure area" then= it=20 MUST provide free, on premise storage for those legally carrying a = concealed=20 weapon may safely store their weapons prior to entering the secure area.
 
The bill is not perfect, in that it does not apply to legally carried= =20 weapons carried without a permit--open carry, or pocket knife or other = items=20 that a court may not allow into a secure area--especially now that = EVERYTHING is=20 a weapon for pursposes of airplanes--but for which a person does not need a= =20 permit.  We hope we can ammend that, but even if we can't, I believe = the=20 bill moves us in the right direction as many courts throughout the State = have=20 secure areas but do not provide storage.
 
Please contact committee members today at the legislature: 538-1029 or= =20 tonight at home. I would suggest focusing on those who are at least = nominally=20 pro-gun.  Ask members to ATTEND the hearing AND to support this bill = while=20 opposing all anti-gun amendments, substitutions, or procuderal tactics= that=20 might be used to derail the bill.
 
If at all possible, please attend the hearing tomorrow morning.  = With=20 the time and schedule, most of us should be able to attend and still get to= work=20 at least close to on time.  Public Parking is on street or in the = northwest=20 parking lot.  For those using I 15, I find 600 North to be a nicer = route=20 than 600 So.
 
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Rep. Patrice M. Arent

Rep. Chad E. Bennion   (home) 801-281-1607  (office)=20 801-468-2876 (fax) 801-288-2144

Rep. Ron Bigelow  801-968-4188

Rep. Katherine M. Bryson  801-226-2061

Rep. Greg J. Curtis  (home) 801-943-3091 (office)=20 801-942-7464

Rep. Scott Daniels

Rep. Ben C. Ferry   (home & office) 435-744-2997 (fax= )=20 435-744-2999

Rep. Neal B. Hendrickson

Rep. Eric Hutchings

Rep. Mike Thompson  (home) 801-226-5032 (office) 801-223-= 9044=20

Rep. A. Lamont Tyler Committee

- ----__JNP_000_58c6.16ff.2004-- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:04:40 -0700 From: Charles C Hardy Subject: update on HB 82 Storage of Concealed Firearms on Facilities with Secure Areas (Swallow, J.) HB 82 Storage of Concealed Firearms on Facilities with Secure Areas (Swallow, J.) was heard in the house Judiciary committee this morning. While turnout from the pro-gun side was sparse, thanks to those who did turn out. Thanks also to any and all who made phone calls or otherwise contacted the committee members ahead of time. HB 82 was passed out of committee with a favorable recommendation after it was substituted by the sponsor. Under the substitute bill, the bill only affects courts that have secure areas. Airports and Olympic venues were excluded. We had hoped for a minor amendment so that the bill would apply to all items prohibited inside the secure area (pocketknives, guns, kniting needles, mace, etc) rather than just concealed firearms carried under a state issued CCW permit. However, fiscal concerns in committee prevented that amendment from being offered. We hope to see a limited amendment offered on the floor to have the bill cover all "legally carried weapons" while still omitting other items. The hope is to make the requirement to store items as broad as possible while not increasing the current fiscal note. Only two Reps voted against the bill in committee, Daniels and Arent. However, several were not present. Please contact your own rep, house leadership, and the house rules committee and ask them to give this bill their full support. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:51:40 -0700 From: Charles C Hardy Subject: FW: Dell Computers becomes anti-gun. I've made no attempts to verify the following, but assuming it is accurate, it looks like Dell computers are not a good place for gun owners to spend money. - --------- Forwarded message ---------- Not to be confused with Superdell and Totally Awesome. - ---------- > > Subject: To all of my friends > > I am writing this because I feel every Firearms owner should know this > story. > > I placed an order for a Dell notebook computer on February 13 on line > with Dell. I was given a tentative delivery date of February 21st. I was > watching the order through the Dell on line tracking system; I also > opted for the automatic email notification of when the machine was to be > shipped. > > Well the 21st came and went, I am a Pistolsmith I know things > can happen. I made a phone call on the 25th, did a voice mail message > for my salesman to get back to me and I was looking for the delivery > date. > > The 25th came and went with no callback. On the 26th I placed > another call this time to cancel the order. After a few hours I got a > call back, with this amazing reason for the delay. It seems someone in > Dell had already canceled my order, when I asked why I was told Dell was > afraid I was going to use the machine for illegal purposes. > > When I askedwhy someone would think that I was told > it was because of the name of my business "Weigand Combat Handguns Inc.". > Because I am involved in firearms I might be doing something illegal. Now > keep in mind I was never called or informed of this decision the order was > just canceled. > > Many of you know me personally and know I run my business about as > squeaky clean as possible. In addition being the President of the > American Pistolsmiths Guild I am under additional scrutiny as to how I > run my business, if I am not clean how can I be the President of an > organization that promotes just that! I was informed by a Dell > supervisor not long after all of this the reason I was refused was > because of their post September 11th policy of screening buyers. > > I would like to respectfully ask the firearms community to do the > following. If you intended to buy a Dell and because of this letter you > do not, email Dell and let them know why. Feel free to distribute this > account to all you know in the Firearms community, I think they need to > know. > > I for one am sick and tired of people assuming just because we are > involved with firearms that we are doing something illegal. I also do > not believe Dell deserves our business if this is how they intend to > treat us. > > God Bless > Jack Weigand > President > American Pistolsmiths Guild Inc. > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - - ------------------------------ End of utah-firearms-digest V2 #225 ***********************************