From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest) To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #232 Reply-To: utah-firearms-digest Sender: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-firearms-digest Monday, November 4 2002 Volume 02 : Number 232 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 09:38:51 -0600 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: WITH APOLOGIES TO DICKENS (A TALE OF TWO CITIES) Gun Owners Alliance Alert WITH APOLOGIES TO DICKENS (A TALE OF TWO CITIES) GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE !!ALERT!! Chris W. Stark - Director P.O. Box 419 Woodland Park, CO 80866-0419 Ph. 1-719-687-8747 http://www.GunOwnersAlliance.com/ mailto:Director@GunOwnersAlliance.com 06 August 2002 WITH APOLOGIES TO DICKENS (A TALE OF TWO CITIES) Copyright © 2002 by Gun Owners Alliance. Republication permitted ONLY if this e-mail alert is left intact in its original state. Another good look at the life of Texas Representative Suzanna Hupp. You can also hear Suzanna Hupp's testimony with the help of RealAudio at: http://www.gunownersalliance.com/hupp-7.htm ...or go to... http://www.gunownersalliance.com/hupp-10.htm This year, we won't have to do anything for Suzanna Hupp's re-election campaign in Texas. For the first time, she doesn't have an opponent. They finally gave up fighting her re-election bid. With Respect, Gun Owners Alliance Chris W. Stark - Director *************************** With Apologies to Dickens (A Tale of Two Cities) Copyright by MAGGI BAUER mailto:maggibauer3@juno.com The hyperattention being given to females (we have to assume only moms, as opposed to singles, are parading in various locations this day) to aid those who are bent on eliminating the 2nd Amendment birth right of ALL Americans, which includes men by the way, centers on two states, New York, and Texas. It centers also, on two women. In 1991, in Texas, a deranged man (note I said deranged) shot and killed among others, the parents of a young woman named Suzanna Hupp. In 1993, in New York, a deranged man boarded a train on Long Island, and shot and killed among others, the husband of Carolyn McCarthy. Each of these women became outraged, and rightly so, following these incidents. One, the young woman from Texas, had the means to defend not only herself, and her parents as well. Unfortunately, she couldn't, because she followed then current Texas State law, and her means of defense was in her car, not in her purse. The other woman's husband (she was nowhere around) had no means whereby to defend himself, although New York has had since about 1938, I'll stand corrected if wrong, 63 different gun violation laws under what is called the Sullivan Act. SIXTY-THREE LAWS. Mr. McCarthy could have had a means of defense. He chose not to, which was HIS right. Each of these two woman took a course of action which led them to where they stand, today. I fully appreciate what each of these women must have gone through in the days and weeks that followed these incidents. And yet I must and indeed have to say that each has profited. But in two very different ways, and for two very different reasons. Thus, a Tale of Two States, a Tale of Two Women. The one, Suzanna Hupp, because she was prohibited, by law, from having with her the means, a handgun, and by her own admission, the capability of using that .38 S&W, was denied her parents future time with her. She has always been angry at a state and government that denied her the probability that she could have defended herself and her parents. She went on to elected to the Texas Legislature using her parents untimely deaths as her "cause", and to become a champion for all the other women, and men, in Texas, that should the day come, they too, might well have to do what she was denied. Ultimately, Texas has a right to carry concealed law. And Suzanna has, this day, spoken on behalf of women and men everywhere that under that 2nd Amendment, they too, should have the same right. Suzanna fully understand what "shall NOT be infringed" means. Now, we have the other woman, the one from New York, Carolyn McCarthy. She, too, used her husband's death, to profit. She ran for office and was elected to the House of Representatives, using her husband's death as her springboard. She, however, has used her office to at very turn support the "infringement" of every part of that 2nd Amendment. She is determined under the tutelage of Bill Clinton and egged on by Chuck Schumer (N.Y. Sen.) to force the national registration and fingerprinting of every American whose rights under that Amendment "shall not be infringed", and force registration and fingerprinting, make no mistake about this, is a deliberate infringement. You know that OXFORD book (the one from Clinton's college, would that he'd read it ) to which I refer frequently? The one for 49.95? Well, it has a rather good comment on infringement. It says INFRINGEMENT: an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege. The 2nd Amendment is not a privilege. It is a birthright. Carolyn McCarthy is encroaching. She's also trespassing. So are all the Clintons, Schumers, and Feinsteins and all the rest who deem ad nauseum, that Americans will be, shall be infringed upon, and they're gonna do their utmost to see that fully law-abiding Americans are. They call forced background checks, registration and fingerprinting a minor inconvenience. I call it an encroachment and trespass. Suzanna Hupp is doing her utmost to see that law-abiding Americans are not encroached or trespassed upon. Of the two women, which one is standing with the principals of that birthright? Our Bill of Rights? # # # # Maggi Bauer is a retired Member of the New Hampshire General Court, House of Representatives, elected in 1969, serving until end of term in 1974, from District 5, Carroll County. A staunch defender of the 2nd Amendment in her former position as an elected official, today, she continues her struggle to fight the victim disarmament crowd, and win back our 2nd amendment rights. Maggi Bauer may be contacted at mailto:maggibauer3@juno.com or you can join her in our gun rights discussion list. Read more about the discussion list at: http://www.GunOwnersAlliance.com/Email.htm Scroll down to the bottom of the above URL, to read about the discussion list, or, to Join, send an e-mail to: GunOwnersAlliance-subscribe@yahoogroups.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Help Support the work of Gun Owners Alliance! Suggested contributions? As an opener, the price of a box of ammo ($15-$20). Contribute at: http://www.gunownersalliance.com/Join.htm +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Copyright © 2002 by Gun Owners Alliance. Republication permitted ONLY if this e-mail alert is left intact in its original state. The views herein do not necessarily reflect the views of any other individual or organization, than Gun Owners Alliance. 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(09/08/02) http://www.free-market.net/rd/17650813.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:58:59 -0600 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Gun Control - Simple Solutions for Simple Minds http://www.federalobserver.com/print.php?aid=3856 Gun Control - Simple Solutions for Simple Minds Ten Good Reasons To Ban Guns - a satire by Bruce Gold 1.) Guns are used in self-defense over 2 million times a year. However, this makes the attempted crime a "non-event", which necessarily complicates the Police investigation. Without civilian ownership of guns, these Police investigations would not have been compromised. Civilians should leave crime prevention to the Police, who are properly equipped to investigate following the crime's completion. 2.) Some .004% (4/1000 of 1%) of guns are used in crime each year. This is way too high. All guns should be banned. 3.) Guns are unnecessary. In 98% of civilian gun defenses, no shot is fired. If you are not going to fire a shot, you clearly don't need a gun. This proves that the guns are unnecessary. Banning guns will prevent these unnecessary defenses. 4.) Guns cause criminal migration. In tough gun-law Washington, D.C., violent crime rates are very high. This high crime rate is caused by the migration of criminals from gun havens like Virginia. This migration is caused by the criminal's cowardly avoidance of armed householders and concealed-carry civilians. This criminal migration is detrimental to helpless unarmed citizens in no-gun areas and must be stopped. Guns should be banned everywhere. 5.) Most gun crimes are committed by inner city gangs and drug dealers. These relatively small and geographically restricted groups consistently commit the majority of gun crimes, which usually peak as turf wars erupt over Drug War changes. The best way to prevent this is by denying guns to all law abiding people everywhere. 6.) No woman needs to protect herself from rape, assault or murder. The Police will protect women by investigating the crime after the fact. Remember, Police paperwork is all the protection anyone really needs. 7.) Guns' owners are disrespectful of authority. Good citizens should completely rely on the authorities. A failure to do so is an invariable sign of improper and overly independent attitudes. Failure to completely and absolutely trust and depend on the authorities is excessive democracy and sends a bad message to children. 8.) Guns' owners engaging in self-defense are taking the law into their own hands. This is wrong. Only the Police and Criminals have the right to take the law into their own hands. It should be kept out of the hands of citizens. 9.) Children and young people should remain ignorant about guns. Real guns and real gun knowledge dissipate the fantasies created by violent video games and TV. Ignorance, once lost, can never be restored and needs to be protected. Not to mention the lost sales of all the violent movies, TV shows, video games, etc! 10.) Guns reduce people's reliance on the Police and Government. This fosters a mistaken belief in "rights". No person has the right to question authority. No person should be less than 100% dependent on authority. This is fundamental to social order. Banning guns will help to establish the Order the authorities want. This is good. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:46:55 -0600 From: Charles C Hardy Subject: Judges and Guns?!?! So, as hard as it may be to believe, if this SLTrib article is correct, conviction of a felony does not spell automtic disbarrment or dismissal for a judge. So it is conceivable that we could end up with a person whom the Feds and the State consider too dangerous and/or of too feable of judgement to buy, own, or carry a firearm for self defense, sitting in judgement of someone else's life, liberty, or property. If I can't trust someone with a gun, I sure don't want to trust them with the authority that comes with being a Judge. Charles Full story at: http://www.sltrib.com/09102002/utah/utah.htm From the last paragraph of the article emphasis added: Colin Winchester, executive director of the Judicial Conduct Commission -- a judicial watchdog agency -- said he was barred from saying whether Harding was under investigation. But Winchester noted that being charged, or **even convicted, of a felony** does **not** spell "automatic anything" for a judge. "Conviction of a felony is one criteria for which a judge **can be** disciplined," he said. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:16:36 -0600 From: Chad Leigh -- Pengar Enterprises Inc Subject: word from your sponsor about tomorrows gun show Hi All Most of you don't know this yet, but I moved back to Utah from New Hampshire over Labor Day. As such, I am pursuing my business as a Dillon Precision dealer (with other other items like MPro7) as well here in Utah and will be having a table tomorrow, Saturday the 21st, at the Crossroads of the West Gun Show in Sandy/SLC. We will not be there on Sunday, as that is our Sabbath. See you there! Stop by and say HI! utah-firearms maillist sponsor Chad - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:52:21 -0600 From: Charles C Hardy Subject: Anti-gun editorial in Sunday's Deseret News. The following editorial appeared in Sunday's (September 29th) Deseret News. It calls for extending pre-purchase background checks on firearms buyers to private sales at gun shows. It dismisses our legitimate concerns as nothing more than black-helicopter conspirarcy theories. I encourage you to take a moment to pen a short letter to the deseret news' editor. A few obvious topics: 1-There is no such thing as an "unlicensed delaer." ALL firearms dealers must be licenese under federal law. If a person is not a licensed dealer, he is either a private citizen selling a private piece of property within the limits of existing law, or else he is already violating federal gun laws. 2-Registration of guns and gun owners is not some kind of paranoid concern. It HAS been used numerous times to confiscate guns or otherwise infringe the rights of gun owners. Registration preceeded confistaction in Nazi Germany. New York City used gun registration roles from the Sullivan Act to confiscate guns. California State has used and continues to use registration of mis-called "assault weapons" to enable confiscation of those guns there. 3-No mention is made of how many innocent persons have had their rights delayed or denied due to various governmental errors. 4-Of the large number of people supposedly prevented from buying a gun, how many were actually arrested, prosecuted, convicted, and jailed? Lacking this, a criminal intent on getting a gun is not prevented from doing so, he is simply encouraged to look elsewhere. When it comes to claiming dangerous felons and wife beaters were prevented from buying guns, only the number convicted really matters. 5-Many police departements in Utah are still not conducting background checks on their officers to check for convictions of misdemeanor domestic violence. The Deseret News wants to make sure that private citizens with such convictions cannot buy a gun at a gun show. Yet a police officer with such a conviction is likely to retain access to weapons that are not available to the general public and to wield tremendous power so long as these departments rely on an "honor system" of having officers report all their past convictions--convictions which would likely mean and end to their police careers as the Lautenburg gun ban provided no exemption for police officers. Letters can be emailed to: letters@desnews.com Be sure to provide a snail-mail address and phone number along with real name. Only name and city/State are published. Shorter letters stand a better chance of being published. Here is the link and full article. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,410015440,00.html Close gun show loophole Deseret News editorial Federally-required background checks disqualified 1,830 people from buying guns in Utah last year. Since the intended purpose of the law is to keep guns out of the hands of people who are prohibited from possessing them, that's good news. However, the new U.S. Justice Department figures show that Utah's rejection rate of 2.8 percent is much higher than the national average. This means either Utah's background checks are more thorough or a greater number of people prohibited from buying and possessing guns — felons, fugitives, illegal aliens or those with a history of mental illness or family violence — are attempting to obtain guns in Utah. Given that Utah allows private citizens and non-licensed dealers to sell guns at gun shows without conducting background checks, one can surmise that fewer background checks are conducted in Utah than in states that have closed the gun show loophole. Among the known purchase attempts, Utah's rejection rate is nearly double the national average. Yet, the Utah Legislature has been skittish about taking the next step in regulating gun shows, requiring all vendors at gun shows to require background checks. Given Utah's less than distinguished showing in this new Department of Justice report, lawmakers should reconsider this issue. More regulation will not, of course, prevent someone who really wants a gun from buying it from a private citizen who takes out a classified advertisement in a publication or, for that matter, stealing a weapon. But when sellers gather under a promoter's business license, there would seem to be a legitimate reason for government to establish some baseline requirements. The gun-rights lobby frets that requiring an airtight background check system could lead to the government keeping records on everyone who owns a gun. This sounds like the stuff of black-helicopter conspiracies. Of all groups, the gun lobby should be concerned about guns ending up in the wrong hands. The actions of felons and scofflaws give legitimate, law-abiding gun owners a bad, undeserved reputation. More than half of the rejections nationwide — 58 percent — were for felony convictions or indictments, the Justice Department said. Another 14 percent of prospective gun buyers were rejected for a domestic violence misdemeanor. Since the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act took effect in 1994, guns have been kept from 840,000 people out of 37.91 million background checks for gun purchases. The good news is the Brady bill is keeping guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. The law could be even more effective in Utah if state lawmakers would close yet another venue where guns can be purchased without background checks. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:27:55 -0600 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: A column from Dimitri - PittsburghLIVE.com - 'A handgun is a girl's best friend' - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: A column from Dimitri -- PittsburghLIVE.com - 'A handgun is a girl's best friend' Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:44:06 -0400 From: Timothy Crowley To: PghLibertarians@egroups.com, KenK_Honchos@YahooGroups.Com CC: LEEbernet Subject: PittsburghLIVE.com - 'A handgun is a girl's best friend' - ------------------------------------------- 'A HANDGUN IS A GIRL'S BEST FRIEND' Preventing rape is not funny. At least it shouldn't be. Somebody should have mentioned that to the audience before the recent first televised gubernatorial debate at Penn State. Candidates were asked what they would do to encourage rape victims to report the crime to authorities. One of the four gave an answer few were expecting. The audience and the other three thought he was joking. - ------------------------------------------- To read the entire article, visit: 1. Click here: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/columnists/vassilaros/s_94655.html 2. Or visit http://www.pittsburghlive.com and type in NewsCode: 94655 - ------------------------------------------- For the most comprehensive coverage of local news and sports in western Pennsylvania, visit http://www.pittsburghlive.com/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:58:34 -0600 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: FW: National Ammo Day On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:49:50 -0400 Sunni Maravillosa wrote: Thanks to an LRT friend for bringing this to my attention: National Ammo Day: Celebrate the Second Amendment by buying an extra 100 rounds of ammunition on November 19th. The goal is to put ammunition in the hands of law-abiding citizens, and send a message to anti-gun individuals and organizations. Reloaders can participate too! http://www.free-market.net/rd/649274736.html Sunni http://www.LibertyRoundTable.org/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:24:18 -0600 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Janalee on ABC 4 tomorrow Subject: [wagc-ut] Tobias debates Gun Haters on T.V. Tomorrow Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:13:36 -0600 From: Janalee Tobias Reply-To: wagc-ut-owner@yahoogroups.com To: wagc-ut@yahoogroups.com CC: WomenAgainstGunControl@yahoogroups.com Greetings, I've been asked to inform you when I'm debating someone about guns. Tomorrow morning (Sunday, Oct. 20) at 9:30 MST on ABC Channel 4 (in case anyone has a Satellite dish for the WAGC members worldwide) I'm part of a panel discussion debating gun control, snipers, ballistic fingerprinting, and the U of U gun ban. I'm not sure how I did, but I did get a bit fiesty. I couldn't help it! When the gunhaters make up stories, I get upset. I think the name of the show is "Politically Speaking," with the host Chris Vanocur--the reporter who broke the Olympic Games scandal. I hope I represent gun owners well. The other panel members are: PRO GUN: Mitch Vilos, Author and Lawyer Janalee Tobias, Pres. WAGC and Piano Teacher :) ANTI GUN: Maura Carabello, Utah Gun Violence Prevention Center Steve Gunn, Attorney, UGVPC Best regards, Janalee Tobias - - ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2002 11:47:21 -0600 From: Karl Pearson Subject: 2 Thoughts The Difference Between The Liberal and Conservative "Debate" Over The War On Terrorism: Question: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner and is running at you while screaming obscenities. In your hand is a .357 Magnum and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? Liberal Answer: Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! You're looking for simple solutions to complex issues. * Does the man look poor or oppressed? * Have I ever done anything to him that is inspiring him to attack? * Could we run away? * What does my wife think? * What about the kids? * Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? * What does the law say about this situation? * Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? * Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? * If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion. Conservative Answer: Shoot the SOB! Then take your family to a baseball game, eat some hot dogs with apple pie, sing the national anthem, go to church and praise the Lord for one more day of freedom. - - Author unknown - ---------------------------------------- "Democrats raise taxes. It's their way of paying for programs that buy votes from people who don't pay high taxes." - - Detroit News columnist Pete Waldmeir - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:01:19 -0600 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: [Gun Owners Alliance Alert] Where Is The Militia? LONG From: Director@GunOwnersAlliance.com (Chris W. Stark) - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- PLEASE FORWARD THIS ALERT TO YOUR FRIENDS AND ENEMIES ALIKE! DO NOT LET THIS ALERT DIE - PASS IT ON! GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE !!ALERT!! Chris W. Stark - Director P.O. Box 1210 Divide, CO 80814-1210 Ph. 1-719-687-8747 http://www.GunOwnersAlliance.com e-mail: Director@GunOwnersAlliance.com 21 October 2002 ++++++++++++++++++ Where Is The Militia? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ (Subscribe/UnSubscribe instructions at the bottom of this alert) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ by Larry Pratt During World War II, governors of east and west coast states called up the citizen-militia to deal with the threat of invasion by the Germans and Japanese. Following 9/11, the governors did nothing and the federal government created a new bureaucracy in Washington to coordinate federal police agencies. Everybody knows that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, an act which was followed by a congressional declaration of war in 1941. Many fewer know that the Japanese made no plans to attack the American mainland because of the militia, the armed populace. Nationally renowned firearms trainer Massad Ayoob had a personal conversation with a naval veteran. He reported (in Backwoods Home Magazine earlier this year) that in the early 1960's, Bob Menard was part of joint maneuvers with the Japanese, many of whom were World War II veterans. At dinner, one of the Japanese officers explained why the Japanese did not invade: The officer had replied that his country was well aware that there was a high density of armed citizenry in America, even state championships for private citizens in the use of military rifles, and that the Japanese were not fools to set foot in such quicksand. The threat of Japanese attack was real enough at the time. The Japanese did successfully occupy a couple of the Aleutian Islands in 1942, and it cost 700 American lives to dislodge them. Also in 1942, a Japanese sub fired shells at an oil refinery at Goleta, California and later fired shells into the naval base at Fort Stevens, Oregon. In response, militia patrolled the west coast of the country during those tense years. In the east, a German submarine penetrated Long Island from a sub for the purpose of blowing up bridges and water works. The saboteurs were captured and executed. Civilian pilots and sailors patrolled the east coast with their handguns and rifles at the ready. Fifty years later, four gun-free zones flew right past the noses of the professional police forces of the country. During the time the Muslim mass murderers were preparing for 9/11, the FBI was investigating President Clinton's bete noire, the vast right wing conspiracy. They did not have even a clue as to the real threat to America. In spite of the national police force's record of failure, even more centralization of their power is being coordinated by Tom Ridge, the director of Homeland Security. The airplanes are still gun free, and we know from FAA inspectors that they have been successful in slipping weapons through airport security nearly fifty percent of the time. This is following the federalization of airport security personnel. The President and his subordinates have opposed even arming pilots. (Would it have been a bad thing or a good thing if a passenger or two had had a gun on the planes of 9/11?) The Constitution provides for the militia. It gives the Congress power to provision the militia and to select its officers. Why are the citizen militia not being called up to guard bridges, waterworks, nuclear plants, and airports? They have as much training for this as the National Guard and other military units that have been assigned for some of these duties -- none. Other than Military Police, the training of the military is to search and destroy -- not exactly the training needed for protecting nuclear power plants. Why was the militia good enough for providing homeland security in the 1940's, but not in 2002? We should not stretch our Clinton-decimated military further than it is now. We should be calling up and training citizen militias. Perhaps the idea of using "civilians" violates the unconstitutional notion that security can only be provided by a centralized, professionalized police force. The people cannot be trusted, in this view, to participate in providing their own protection. This notion of a centralized police fits comfortably with the growing acceptance that only the federal government can provide for all of life's needs -- education, old age, unemployment, health, etc. The growing preemption of American life by the federal government has no room for individual responsibility. Rather than encourage the militia, politicians are busily looking for ways to disarm more and more Americans. It is an unconstitutional view. 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(10/30/02) http://www.free-market.net/rd/814328404.html Bellesiles: The larger context - ---------- LewRockwell.com by Llewellyn H. Rockwell "People ask if there is any reason for libertarians to be confident. If you understand the sociology of ideas, it is easy to see that the statist project is running out of intellectual steam. It survives mainly due to the momentum it gathered during and after World War II. But it has no new source of strength ... and without intellectual life and vibrancy, it is profoundly vulnerable." (10/29/02) http://www.free-market.net/rd/484971863.html The sniper and the keystone cops - ---------- LewRockwell.com by William L. Anderson "If anything, the bumbling of the police in this whole sorry episode proves that individuals must be able to protect themselves -- precisely because the police will not and cannot protect us. Let us begin with the killings and how this puzzle was solved." (10/28/02) http://www.free-market.net/rd/563771159.html Do we need warning labels for lies in the libraries? - ---------- Liberty For All by Linda Gorman "In September 2000, publishing house Alfred A. Knopf handed professional librarians a knotty problem. It published 'Arming America,' a book in which Emory University professor Michael Bellesiles outlined research supposedly showing that guns were rare in America from the Colonial period to the Civil War. ... As it turns out, 'Arming America' is a lie." (10/02) http://www.free-market.net/rd/573331944.html Democrats back off from gun control - ---------- USA Today Those counting on the Democratic Party to aggressively promote authoritarian gun-control measures may be disappointed. Increasingly, Democratic candidates are advertising their pro-gun views. (10/28/02) http://www.free-market.net/rd/75302792.html [obnoxious popup] Anti-gun professor found to have misrepresented data - ---------- Emory University News Michael Bellesiles, who was investigated for misuse of sources in his book "Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture," in which he tried to show that the core historical argument behind the Second Amendment was a fraud, has resigned from his position as Professor of history at Emory University. (10/25/02) http://www.free-market.net/rd/515191191.html Australia considers new gun restrictions - ---------- News.com.au A shooting at a university has giver Australia's Democrats and Greens an excuse to call for a ban on semi-automatic handguns. The crime rate has climbed since the last round of gun restrictions. (10/22/02) http://www.free-market.net/rd/925820140.html [Looks horrid on NS 4.7] - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 18:47:23 -0700 From: Scott Bergeson Subject: Bipartisans on Right to Self-Defense "If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all!" - - Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) On MSNBC "Banning guns is an idea whose time has come." - Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del/ Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees." - - President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993 The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace." - Janet Reno, addressing a 1991 B'nai B'rith gathering in Ft. Lauderdale "Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." - -U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993 Senator Dianne Feinstein, February 5, 1995, CBS's 60 Minutes: "If I could have gotten another 51 votes in the Senate for an outright ban, picking up everyone of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done that. But I could not do that; the votes were not there." "Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of Americans to feel safe." - U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, quoted by the Associated Press, November 18, 1993 My bill ... establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of all handguns." - U.S. Representative Major Owens, Congressional Record, 11/10/93 Twenty years ago, I asked Richard Nixon what he thought of gun control. His on-the-record reply: 'Guns are an abomination.' Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles. - William Safire (originally from a New York Times column), Los Angeles Daily News, June 15, 1999, P. 15. PATRICK KENNEDY (U.S. Congressman, R.I.) "Kennedy said he favors an outright ban on handguns, but doubts its palatability in the current political climate." (Providence Journal, 4 Jan 99) Sen. John Chafee: "I believe all handguns should be abolished" The Associated Press, January 9, 1997 Rep. Charles Schumer: "We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" Press Conference, December 8, 1993 "We're here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true..." - - U.S. Representative Charles Schumer, quoted on NBC, November 30, 1993 - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:10:13 -0700 From: Chad Leigh -- Pengar Enterprises Inc Subject: Canadian guy needs our help Hi All The following article, of which I have given the first bit and a link, tells a lot about the stupidity of the US government. Call your Congressman and the President (I sent the pres an email, for all that will do -- president@whitehouse.gov ) on behalf of this guy. This is a joke. " BANGOR, Maine (Reuters) - A Canadian woodcutter arrested during a routine trip across the U.S. border to buy gasoline has become the victim of intensified security in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, his lawyer said on Friday. Michel Jalbert drove from his hometown of Pohenegamook, Quebec to Estcourt Station, Maine to fill up on cheap American gas before a hunting trip. As he was leaving the station, U.S. border patrol agents arrested him for illegally entering the country with a firearm. . . . " The article goes on to say how the gas station seems to be in the no-man's land after entering US soil but before you actually get to the INS and Customs gates and stuff. So Canadians routinely drive there, fill up, and return to Canada without even going through the official entrances. US Officials have long looked the other way on this. Complete article can be found at Chad - - ------------------------------ End of utah-firearms-digest V2 #232 ***********************************