From: owner-ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com (ztt-digest) To: ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: ztt-digest V2 #17 Reply-To: ztt-digest Sender: owner-ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes ztt-digest Saturday, January 31 1998 Volume 02 : Number 017 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:04:40 +0100 (MET) From: Soeren Larsen Subject: Re: (ztt) ZTT dream compilation [Switzerland] > I actually kinda went down this road once or twice before. I came up > with several initial track listings for 808 State's State To State > compilation when it was initially slated... At the very beginning I had > it as a half 808 and half rare other ZTT stuff (S/O/R's Happy Feelings > and Switzerland were two I can remember including)... Actually the ZTT Switzerland EP is pretty weak. Strange combinations of beats and samples and it's very rough sounding. I wouldn't suggest this on a CD reissue. If anyone like it I could easily make some MP3 samples of the disc and you could decide for yourself. The Switzerland 2 EP on the other hand is superb. Great synth sound and nice long tracks. My dream compiletion is intitled: ZTT Rare! And it's all Island-era rare promo stuff with the great TCH/ZTT sound. AON/FGTH/Jones/Act/Prop l8r || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| || | | || sorenl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:29:51 +0100 From: mohee@sdu.nl (Hendrikse, Marco) Subject: (ztt) fwd: [bong] New Martin Gore Track From the Depeche Mode mailing list: > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:02:23 +0100 > From: kraft@stud.uni-frankfurt.de (Michael Kraft) > Subject: [bong] New Martin Gore Track >=20 > Hi Bongsters ! >=20 > I found this on the PROPAGANDA ( famous 80=B4s german Wave-Band )- > Newspage: >=20 > NEWS from contributor, Karl Hirschberger: Michael, > Susanne and Claudia have recorded 3 tracks for > the new album. Propaganda has no label contract > and so the release is planned for Summer 98. One > new track on the album is written by Martin L. Gore > (Depeche Mode). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:40:23 -0500 From: Dean Harris Subject: (ztt) Propaganda I and II I recently picked up a copy of the Propaganda 1234 cd and was struck by a couple of things: 1. The sound so completely differes from the previous album, even though three of the four members are from the original line-up. I don't mean just that Betsi's voice differs, but the whole sound; and 2. There is a note in the booklet that reads: "To Susanne Freytag: we miss you," but there is no mention of Claudia, who, to my Claudia-loving ears, was mostly responsible for the vocal quality of the first Propaganda album. So I'm curious. Was there any animosity or anything between Claudia and the other members of the band? AND when the "1234" album was released, what was the word from the band about the severe difference in sound? X0X0, Dean Damn, I'm itching for that new Propaganda material!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:29:01 -0800 (PST) From: av578@lafn.org (James Dawson) Subject: (ztt) Anne Pigalle, Etc. "Lazlo Nibble" wrote: >IQ7 is Everything Could Be So Perfect by Anne Pigalle. I've got the '94 UK CD >and the first Japanese issue, but don't know about a UK CD coming out around >the same time as the LP/CS . . . I probably have the same two incarnations (ZTT Polystar Japan PSCD 1178 and ZTT/Warners 4509-94750-2; the latter says it was made in Germany). Was there ever a version that actually had the catalog number ZCIDQ7, which was in parentheses on the Japanese incarnation? The difference between the two versions, if anyone is unaware, is that the Japanese edition includes the bonus track "Like We Do." Pigalle would be another of my "wish list" ZTT CD compilation artists. I would love to get her 12" mixes on CD. (My vinyl 12" of "He Stranger" was bought second-hand and sounds like hell...) On another note: I and a few other list subscribers keep tossing out the question "Who at ZTT should receive our pleas for more back-catalog to be released on CD?" -- but I haven't seen an answer. Is there anyone at ZTT who might actually read letters from label fans (as opposed to tossing them in the trash)? Does anyone know if sending a letter would be simply a waste of time -- or, if not, if there is a person in charge of "public relations" of this sort? - --James Dawson av578@lafn.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:33:22 -0500 (EST) From: Patrick Daly Subject: (ztt) Anne Pigalle, Etc. (fwd) >On another note: I and a few other list subscribers keep tossing out the >question "Who at ZTT should receive our pleas for more back-catalog to be >released on CD?" -- but I haven't seen an answer. Is there anyone at ZTT >whomight actually read letters from label fans (as opposed to tossing them in >the trash)? Does anyone know if sending a letter would be simply a waste >oftime -- or, if not, if there is a person in charge of "public relations" of >this sort? > >--James Dawson >av578@lafn.org I think the real question is: Does Trevor Horn even care? Patrick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:32:31 -0700 (MST) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (ztt) Propaganda I and II > I recently picked up a copy of the Propaganda 1234 cd and was struck by a > couple of things: > > 1. The sound so completely differes from the previous album, even though > three of the four members are from the original line-up. The only *real* original member of Propaganda who is also a *real* member on 1234 is Mertens -- hence the radically different sound. Susanne's guest vox and Doerper's lyrics aren't enough to really assure any continuity from the original lineup. The "new sound" makes much more sense if you take into account that a) two of the new members are ex-Simple Minds and b) it was produced by Ian Stanley and Chris Hughes of Tears For Fears fame. Hence a more directly pop-oriented, more British-sounding product. > So I'm curious. Was there any animosity or anything between Claudia and > the other members of the band? I thought she was the one who broke up the original lineup, wasn't she? - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:33:17 +0100 From: Andy Robinson Subject: Re: (ztt) Anne Pigalle, Etc. (fwd) Patrick Daly wrote: > I think the real question is: Does Trevor Horn even care? I get the impression he lets Jill Sinclair handle the business side - he just makes the music sound good. At this stage we don't really know who got the ZTT back catalogue in the Warner split - maybe it's Warner who are sitting on the master tapes. - - andy R. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:08:27 -0500 (EST) From: Patrick Daly Subject: Re: (ztt) Anne Pigalle, Etc. (fwd) On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Andy Robinson wrote: > Patrick Daly wrote: > > I think the real question is: Does Trevor Horn even care? > > I get the impression he lets Jill Sinclair handle the business side - he > just makes the music sound good. At this stage we don't really know who > got the ZTT back catalogue in the Warner split - maybe it's Warner who > are sitting on the master tapes. > Crap, that's right. If Warner got the tapes that stuff will never be heard from again. Patrick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:10:49 -0700 (MST) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (ztt) Anne Pigalle, Etc. > On another note: I and a few other list subscribers keep tossing out the > question "Who at ZTT should receive our pleas for more back-catalog to be > released on CD?" -- but I haven't seen an answer. I've traded a little mail with someone at the label who may be the right person for this kind of thing. If it works out, I'll be happy to forward comments, or let everyone know how to contact him, whichever he thinks is more appropriate. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 17:02:38 -0500 From: artisan2 Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!! >> dialog to AON's "Love Beat" between Anne and (I think) Trevor is >> left intact. This as much opposed to the "daft" compilation where it > >Isn't it Anne and JJ ?? I don't think it was J.J. but it could have been. Maybe it was Gary or Paul.?.. I still want to know what that what that typewriter ker-chunk noise was. Scott, James Scott Coward artisan2@tulsa.oklahoma.net If you don't like it, don't klick on it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 16:40:37 -0500 From: artisan2 Subject: Re: (ztt) Artosilence question was ZTTaholics-- >>>> Anyone a fan of Artofsilence? <<< > >Yeah - but only because it's JJJeczalik. The CD is good though - haven't >seen any singles in Tower Records yet. "Messenger Of Heaven" is without >doubt the most awesome song. I have no info on the remixes. Bob Kraushaar is also a member. His name appears on "In.No.Sense? Nonsense!" for certain mixing credits. I even noticed the presence of Paul Robinson (drums) & Dave Bronze (bass) -whom appeared on the "In Visible Silence" tour- on track 9: "Some Other Dream". As far as singles go "West 4" was released about a month & a half before the LP. There have been 1 or 2 subsequent remix singles since. J.J. was even offering to release remixes done by fans. If you got a first batch copy of the LP it was accompanied by a 3.5 floppy with an effects program and -I think- components of the track "West 4" to make your remixing endeavors easier. Really, pretty cool I thought. He even has his personal E-Mail address on the disk. I, unfortunately, didn't get a computer until this past November, fully a year too late. Since then, J.J. has been running into some business troubles, it seems. He lost his website (IRQ?) and any works have become harder to find. There is a single called "Teach Me" that came out this past spring or summer. Problem is I can't get my hands on the damn thing. I have begun to wonder if there has been an album to coincide with the single, but I just don't know. In this case silence is NOT golden. As a matter of personal opinion, I greatly preffer J.J.'s solo work over Anne's (I am not including her film scores as that would be an unfair comparison). Of course, I'm a sucker for any song with a Farlight CMI in it. And that's J.J.'s axe not hers. C ya 'round, Scott James Scott Coward artisan2@tulsa.oklahoma.net If you don't like it, don't klick on it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:55:27 +0100 From: "Henrik Lundstrom" Subject: Re: (ztt) Propaganda I and II > > 1. The sound so completely differes from the previous album, even tho= ugh > > three of the four members are from the original line-up. > > The only *real* original member of Propaganda who is also a *real* membe= r on > 1234 is Mertens -- hence the radically different sound. Susanne's guest= vox > and Doerper's lyrics aren't enough to really assure any continuity from = the > original lineup. On the other hand, Mertens did much of the programming ASW - D=F6rper was mor into the lyrics thing. > The "new sound" makes much more sense if you take into account that a) t= wo of > the new members are ex-Simple Minds and b) it was produced by Ian Stanle= y and > Chris Hughes of Tears For Fears fame. Hence a more directly pop-oriente= d, > more British-sounding product. I think it sounds more american than ASW, not exactly more British. > I thought she was the one who broke up the original lineup, wasn't she? As far as I know, she left the band in '86 - they didn't exactly like her choice of husband and, as Mertens one said, Claudia and the rest of the group had grown apart. I was VERY surprised when Mertens and Br=FCcken teamed up for the Brain single. I've got lots of interviews back home - I'll try to find them! h Henrik Lundstroem (k94068@chestud.chalmers.se) Chemistry student at Chalmers University of Technology. Stalivari shout "HEUREKA!!" as the signal for invention par excellence http://berzelius.chestud.chalmers.se/~k94068/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:29:56 -0500 From: rsystem2@juno.com (Jeff A Hamilton) Subject: (ztt) The AoS diskette I got the first copy of AoS.co.uk that I could find in THIS country - about four months after its release date and with a $40 price tag. It came with the diskette, which is a Mac disk so I can make no use of it. He mentioned on his website were to go to get a comparable piece of PC software but I downloaded it (I think it was called Noise Master 1.0 or something like that) and it keep crashing and failing, etc. I'm not willing to give away the disk, of course, but (maybe this is illegal, maybe it's not, who cares - wasn't the stuff available for free download on his site?) I will copy it for any AoSer who wants it. Just a quick stop at Kinko's (to use a Mac) and we're all in business. >>> As a matter of personal opinion, I greatly preffer J.J.'s solo work over Anne's (I am not including her film scores as that would be an unfair comparison). Of course, I'm a sucker for any song with a Farlight CMI in it. And that's J.J.'s axe not hers. <<< Well, I like 'em both pretty much. I just wish JJ would put out more stuff! (I've got a good deal of Anne Dudley releases on hand already...and ONE jj release (AoS). Jeff Hamilton, the Capitalist P.O.Box 550501, Northside Finance Unit, Atlanta, Georgia 30355-3001 United Bloody States of America www.oneofthesedaysI'mputtingupawebsite.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:26:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Poulter Subject: Re: (ztt) Propaganda I and II > So I'm curious. Was there any animosity or anything between Claudia and > the other members of the band? It seems that there were. I remember Michael Mertens saying in an interview that they made the choice of a new singer very carefully and her personality was important, because "we had personality problems with our previous singer". I think the new sound of 1234 (a lot of it a bit "adult" for my taste) may be at least partly due to the Hughes/Stanley production team being very involved musically. They have co-writing credits on some of the tracks, don't they (I haven't looked at that inlay in a while)? - -- MARTIN L: Postgrad., amateur crackpotologist and caffeine-free celibate bon M POULTER : viveur studying the Philosophy of Belief at Bristol Uni., England c Cult Concern FAQ + Soppy Compliments Page + Celibate FAQ + Gifts from "Bob" Q Helena Kobrin Page + Scientology Criticism: http://mail.bris.ac.uk/~plmlp/ ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:32:55 +0100 From: Andy Robinson Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!! artisan2 wrote: > I don't think it was J.J. but it could have been. Maybe it was > Gary or Paul.?.. Sounds like Paul Morley and Anne Dudley to me - compare Paul's voice on the Value of Entertainment video... > I still want to know what that what that typewriter ker-chunk noise > was. Well, when AoN played live on the Radio, exactly this sound happened when they sampled the DJ in the interview for later use, so I guess it's made by the Fairlight... Incidentally the sampled phrase was "Cabaret Time", which became the title of the demo song on the JJJ sample CD. - - andy R. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:33:25 +0100 From: Andy Robinson Subject: (ztt) JJJ solo information artisan2 wrote: > As a matter of personal opinion, I greatly preffer J.J.'s solo > work over Anne's (I am not including her film scores as that would > be an unfair comparison). Of course, I'm a sucker for any song with > a Farlight CMI in it... According to an interview with JJJ in "Sound on Sound" when the album came out, he had sold his series III Fairlight by then - he uses Akais now! Technically, AoS.co.uk is his second album, because a collection of his trademark sounds was released on CD in 1992 for sampler owners to use in their tracks... It's called "jj jeczalik's art of sampling" (subtitled HitSound Producer Series Volume 8) Catalogue No. HITCD12, but because you are licenced to sample it, its pricey - I paid 50 pounds for mine, but I believe it's still in stock at source (let me know if any of you want me to post details). There are 61 tracks (!), the first of which is a demo song "Cabaret Time" which is made entirely from some of the samples on the rest of the CD, (produced by Lee Groves) The complete track list fills 6 pages of the inlay booklet, so I shall just give you a little taster (unless some of the hardcore discographers out there really want it in full - mail me privately)... Tracks 28 & 29 are titled "Misc. Percussion" (Track 28 consists of 18 samples, described as) Metal Srcape 1-2 Chick Chock Shake Triangulong Triangushort Deep Triange Long/Short Windchimes 1-2 Bell 1-2 Shake my little Bells Castanets Ambient Clap 1-2 Clave 1-2 Ambient Clap Percussion ...and so on, and on, and on... Many AoNish classic sounds are there, and it's fun to spot where he used them / found them - Fairlight aahs, "Tom Jones Fly" from Kiss, "Unedited Drum Fill" from the intro of Owner of a Lonely Heart, "Holly Hooowah" lifted from Relax, etc., and the packaging has lots of photos of JJJ with the AoN Masks, (and the Mona Lisa wearing one on the front), and a very silly track sheet for "Peter Gunn" is in the booklet too (Track 14 of the master tape is aparrently used for Drum Fills, Juggler and Mime Artist, Track 9 is "Aled+Choir, Clave, Table Tennis). - - andy R. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 00:34:44 GMT From: Dave Felstead Subject: (ztt) Claudia listening and reading some of the posts recently about Claudia i remember sitting with her after the Act gig in Nottingham where she spoke about her forthcoming solo album which surfaced as love and a million some time later. She told me she had sent ideas lyrics etc. to various people she wanted to work with these included David Sylvian (what a track that would have been!) and Prince! The Act gig was odd.. Morley was there and the audience numbered about 100, 50p to get in. I thought i`d got there late and rushed in during the soundcheck where i was able to stand alone whilst Claudia belted out "i can`t escape ". During the gig when she did "heaven knows i`m miserable now" she handed out white roses to lucky people from the stage. I do remember they were much better live than the way the songs emerged on the record. They started with Bloodrush and ended with "nights of germany". I went to the gig the next night in London which was better and full and managed to tape it but it was poor quality and i can not find it. best wishes Dave Felstead. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:50:27 +0000 From: Ian Peel Subject: Re: (ztt) ztt advertisments Hmmm... The UK CD of The Beating Of Wings (from the first time around - the mid-eighties) is CID 127, which I guess marks it down as from part of a Island Records UK set of early CD album releases...? In message <199801282346.QAA20180@llama.swcp.com>, Lazlo Nibble writes >> I'm losing track of things here a bit, but if we are talking about >> Andrew Poppy's The Beating Of Wings, then yes there was a standard UK CD >> (I have it!)... I think it came out a little after the LP and CS (no >> more than 18 months). > >IQ7 is Everything Could Be So Perfect by Anne Pigalle. I've got the '94 UK CD >and the first Japanese issue, but don't know about a UK CD coming out around >the same time as the LP/CS . . . > Ian Peel - --- ---- > read.me in: 4D - THE TIMES' WEB MAGAZINE (www.4-d.co.uk)... DJ MAGAZINE (www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/Vet/VIE/people/thomas/Underworld/)... ON MAGAZINE (www.state51.co.uk/on/ianpeel.html)... ROUGH GUIDES (www.roughguides.com/rock/index.html)... and MY BOOK - FUTURE VISIONS (www.compbook.co.uk/promo/netguides/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:41:08 +0000 From: Ian Peel Subject: Re: (ztt) Stuff ZTT should release on CD - NOW!!! >Well, when AoN played live on the Radio, exactly this sound happened >when they sampled the DJ in the interview for later use, so I guess it's >made by the Fairlight... Incidentally the sampled phrase was "Cabaret >Time", which became the title of the demo song on the JJJ sample CD. Wasn't there also a very prominent "Cabaret Time" vocal stab in one of the many Fairlight-heavy Scritti Politti B-sides from Cupid & Psyche? Just a co-incidence? Ian Peel - --- ---- > read.me in: 4D - THE TIMES' WEB MAGAZINE (www.4-d.co.uk)... ON MAGAZINE (www.state51.co.uk/on/ianpeel.html)... ROUGH GUIDES (www.roughguides.com/rock/index.html)... and MY BOOK - FUTURE VISIONS (www.compbook.co.uk/promo/netguides/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:52:40 +0100 (MET) From: Soeren Larsen Subject: (ztt) Retro8 hi I found this on the UK-dance ML: - ---------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:05:04 +0000 (GMT) From: "matthew k. hunter" Subject: 808 State Has anyone heard the shocking Jungle remix of 808 State's 'Pacific 202'. I may not be as old skool as some folk on this list but I still think it's a total rip-off of a classic tune which you just shouldn't do. I think putting a crap breakbeat on such a masterpiece and re-releasing it is just not on. At least when the Fugee's and Blackstreet got their tunes ripped the people who did them made a little effort. - - -- matthew k. hunter Heriot-Watt University - ---------------------- Questions: 1 Has anyone heard this? 2 Is it a booty or at least Pacific samples on some others record? 3 Or is it the claimed new mixes for the 808 compilation? Comment: I don't like the reissue/remix of vintage 808 State. Please don't look like a money-machine lads. || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| |# #|@| # |@#||@ || | | || |@ || | || || #| || | | || sorenl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:19:28 +0000 From: Ian Peel Subject: Re: (ztt) ZTT dream compilation [Switzerland] >Actually the ZTT Switzerland EP is pretty weak. Strange combinations of >beats and samples and it's very rough sounding. I wouldn't suggest this on >a CD reissue. > >If anyone like it I could easily make some MP3 samples of the disc and you >could decide for yourself. That sounds like a good idea to me! >The Switzerland 2 EP on the other hand is superb. Great synth sound and >nice long tracks. That's not on ZTT, is it? Ian Peel - --- ---- > read.me in: 4D - THE TIMES' WEB MAGAZINE (www.4-d.co.uk)... DJ MAGAZINE (www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/Vet/VIE/people/thomas/Underworld/)... ON MAGAZINE (www.state51.co.uk/on/ianpeel.html)... ROUGH GUIDES (www.roughguides.com/rock/index.html)... and MY BOOK - FUTURE VISIONS (www.compbook.co.uk/promo/netguides/) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:32:46 EST From: SamFrench@aol.com Subject: (ztt) Another .02 on the "Dream Compilation" PLEASE READ Let's allow our willing suspension of disbelief to include the possibility that ZTT has an interest in creating a CD format box set. I know it's a stretch, but go there for just a moment. The first thing they (ZTT execs, marketing people, distributors, engineers, etc.) are going to focus on has got to be purpose. Is this box set going to consist of product which tells "The Entire Story From Beginning to End"? Or is it going to be a "Fill In the Blanks" release of all ZTT product not already available in the CD format? In the case of the former, the all-inclusive track listing clearly reaches prohibitive proportions. To include all tracks, all versions and the "in studio conversation" snipplets many of us are including on our own wish lists would involve a multi-multi disc, DVD format box set which (if purchased by everyone in Madonna's worldwide built in audience) would barely allow them to break even on the production costs. Not only that, but the intended market for such a product would drop members in exponential quantities as soon as it was realized that what they're being asked to pay for is a lot of esoterica they have no interest in owning. Personally, I would disagree with those who would argue against the value of owning such product, though it must be admitted that the presence of their arguement would translate to a decision not to buy -- which would impact ZTT decisions to include it. (At 74:00 min per CD, four or five CD's alone could be filled with the versions of the FGTH "Relax" piece.) With that in mind, the logical alternative seems to be a focus on filling in the blanks created by product that has not yet (will never?) be commercially available in the CD format. Here again, you're still looking at bumping multiple versions of quite a few songs up to the CD format; a body of work major-market audiences have historically poo-poo -ed at the cash register. I can see where songs like "P-Machinery" (which has a 9:00min, 11:00min and a 03:00min mix on the original 12" -- none of which [please! correct me if I'm wrong!!!] ever made it to commercial CD) would have to fall under an axe where inclusion decisions are concerned. In this case, I think we're all in agreement: "Whatever you do, DON'T include the 03:00min mix and move onto the next decision." Moving forward. If there ever is to be some kind of a ZTT box set made, ZTT has at their disposal a solid group of individuals who are both accessible to them and are truly dedicated "fans" -- of their ENTIRE body of work. The decisions of what to include could definitely be made intelligently by polling that group of people. (By the way, that group of people is US!) So this mythical CD comes out. Obviously we (and quite a few others around the world who aren't blessed with lifestyles that incluide home computers) buy it. And so do other music fans; and computer owners who don't dabble in UseNet, discussion groups or email; and collectors, etc. For the most part, we're happy. But still there is a substantial selection of surplus product that didn't make it to the release version of the box set. My question involves *that* subset of product. Do you suppose we could get permission to distribute those cuts amongst ourselves on CD? I mean, the ZTT people are artists first, then entrepreneurs. We understand they have limited bank accounts and we also understand the marketing decisions which would prohibit them from re- distributing these cuts on CD. If we were to burn a few CD masters and sell off copies (at cost -- or even at a small profit which would enthusiastically include them in a generous percentage) would this be possible? Knowing that this is something they wouldn't do themselves, and understanding that the distribution channels would be limited to their true fans, I don't see why they would have a problem allowing us to do this. It's not like we would be cutting into profits they would otherwise be entitled to or otherwise be making themselves, right? I have a CD burner and most of the product I've seen tossed around in the "wish list" discussion thread. For the record, I'd be willing to look into such a project, but it would have to be with ZTT's permission and hopefully with their blessing. I am ultimately respectful of them and the LAST thing I could sleep with at night would be thoughts of knowing that those I admire have a bad taste in their mouth about me. Waddya think, group?? Is it worth pursuing? Or is there something I'm missing here? Please respond on-line (to the group) because I need group concensus to consider this any further. . . And I *am* considering it!! (also for the record -- so to speak.) Sam French # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:44:05 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Yasuda Subject: Re: (ztt) Another .02 on the "Dream Compilation" PLEASE READ Sam and other members of the group: I for one would support you in your attempts to put out a ZTT collector's CD. I realize it's easy for me to sit here and type this because I know that none of the work and responsibility would ultimately be mine. I've been collecting any and all ZTT material I could get my hands on for years and would be one of the first to step up to the cash register if any compilation of rarities came up. Personally, I hope your suggestion gets lots of favorable responses. Cheers, Ken kyasuda@atom.ecn.purdue.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:50:53 -0500 From: rsystem2@juno.com (Jeff A Hamilton) Subject: Re: (ztt) Another .02 on the "Dream Compilation" PLEASE READ Not gonna re-post the original post or any portion thereof 'cause I'm sure everyone read it... Simple response though - I'm all for it (suggested an "internal release - just among ourselves). As far as ZTT releases go - how about a box set with many (not necessarily all) of the tracks not available on CD. Perhaps it could even be pared down to include no more than two versions of any given song, that way there wouldn't be TOO many discs and of course, the retail price would be lower. I don't remember if WaxTrax's "Black Box" anniversary set sold all that well, but it was well promoted, and even though I didn't listen to any WaxTrax artists other than KMFDM, I still shelled out $45 for the three CD set. Jeff Hamilton, the Capitalist P.O.Box 550501, Northside Finance Unit, Atlanta, Georgia 30355-3001 United Bloody States of America 770-621-5777 or 202-466-1631 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:22:32 -0800 From: "Mark Wasiel" Subject: (ztt) The Art Of Noise Credit Card! Here's a strange web site for you Art of Noise fans. http://www.artofnoise.com Make sure to pick up your Art Of Noise credit card! ;) Mark W p.s. How can they copyright this name?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:22:32 -0800 From: "Mark Wasiel" Subject: (ztt) The Art Of Noise Credit Card! Here's a strange web site for you Art of Noise fans. http://www.artofnoise.com Make sure to pick up your Art Of Noise credit card! ;) Mark W p.s. How can they copyright this name?? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:06:55 -0500 From: rsystem2@juno.com (Jeff A Hamilton) Subject: (ztt) JohnJrDPD@aol.com (This happened before sending mail to John - I should've remembered) John: Am I the only one who uses a Mac? I'd love to have a copy of this to check it out as I have never heard any AoS stuff. Is it possible that you can attach that Mac file to your e-Mail? Jeff: I have no Mac (and I currently have no net access - hence the free e-mail service (to which I can attach no files)). When I go to Kinko's to use a Mac, I will copy the diskette and mail you a copy, if you like. (My mail to you keeps getting bounced, so I have to do this through the list) Jeff P.S. Who was the other person - the one who wanted to put it on their web site? I can mail you a diskette too. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info ztt" in the message. # Postings must go to ztt@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ End of ztt-digest V2 #17 ************************