From: owner-ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com (ztt-digest) To: ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: ztt-digest V2 #102 Reply-To: ztt-digest Sender: owner-ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes ztt-digest Monday, April 26 1999 Volume 02 : Number 102 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:05:24 PDT From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) AON: Tripping on Lol & J.J. I have a few questions regarding Lol Creme and J.J. Jeczalik. 1) Trevor had already known Lol from back in the day when he appeared in the "Cry" video by Godley & Creme (this is mentioned in the "Daft" liner notes). If Trevor knew him already, then why did AON place an ad in a newspaper looking for an artist an a video director ? Can someone say waste of money? 2) There is a member of Arkana (the group who coincidentally remixed "Yebo") named "Lola Creme". Is this the same person as Lol, or is this one of his relatives ? 3) Since Ian Peel decided to provide as little useful information possible in his DJ Magazine article (please Ian, don't take this the wrong way; I don't mean any offense by this, but I do think that a lot of important questions were left unanswered) , can someone give any insight as to why J.J. Jeczalik didn't return for this project (I heard from AMG that he decided to retire from the music business) ? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:10:06 PDT From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) AON: masks for sale ??? Does anyone know where AON obtained their original masks from ? I would love to buy some of them. Are they still being made ? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:28:29 -0600 From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: (ztt) AON: Tripping on Lol & J.J. On Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 12:05:24PM -0700, Juno Jackson wrote: > can someone give > any insight as to why J.J. Jeczalik didn't return for this project > (I heard from AMG that he decided to retire from the music business) ? I can't find any JJ bio information on AMG's site, for what it's worth. They don't even list artofsilence. - -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:17:06 -0500 From: Dave Cowen Subject: Re: (ztt) AON: Tripping on Lol & J.J. At 12:05 PM 4/23/99 PDT, you wrote: > >I have a few questions regarding Lol Creme and J.J. Jeczalik. > >1) Trevor had already known Lol from back in the day when he >appeared in the "Cry" video by Godley & Creme (this is mentioned in >the "Daft" liner notes). He didn't just "know" Lol, he produced the Godley & Creme History Mix and the song Cry. JJ did quite a bit of work on the History Mix as well. Find it in a cut out bin somewhere -- the first two tracks are really just AON remixing 10cc. It's much sillier and less spooky than Who's Afraid, but IMHO, it's the "lost" ZTT AON record. >If Trevor knew him already, then why did AON place an ad in a newspaper >looking for an artist an a video director ? Can someone say waste of money? I'm sure they wanted to explore their options. If they had received additional response, you wouldn't have asked this question. Yes, it seems to be quite silly to put out an advertisement and just hire someone you've worked with before... but not if nobody else responds to the ad. Corporations regularly advertise for positions which are subsequently filled with already in-house staff if an outside person with the appropriate qualifications cannot be found. >3) Since Ian Peel decided to provide as little useful information >possible in his DJ Magazine article (please Ian, don't take this >the wrong way; I don't mean any offense by this, but I do think that a >lot of important questions were left unanswered) , can someone give >any insight as to why J.J. Jeczalik didn't return for this project >(I heard from AMG that he decided to retire from the music business) ? The question is, whatever happened to artofsilence? JJ's artofsilence project wasn't the greatest, but certainly wasn't embarassing and West 4 was quite good. Dave Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:02:34 +0200 From: fisonic@t-online.de (Joerg Fitzner) Subject: Re: (ztt) AON: Tripping on Lol & J.J. >>1) Trevor had already known Lol from back in the day when he >>appeared in the "Cry" video [...] > >He didn't just "know" Lol, he produced the Godley & Creme History Mix >and the song Cry. JJ did quite a bit of work on the History Mix as >well. Find it in a cut out bin somewhere -- the first two tracks are >really just AON remixing 10cc. It's much sillier and less spooky than >Who's Afraid, but IMHO, it's the "lost" ZTT AON record. I've recently seen the video to 'Wet Rubber Soup' [greetings to Brussels], which is one of the tracks you mentioned, and it appeared to me that Godley & Creme exactly were to music video what AON were to music audio! >>If Trevor knew him already, then why did AON place an ad in a newspaper >>looking for an artist an a video director ? Can someone say waste of money? I'm not sure if we've got to take that too serious. Maybe they asked him and he first rejected them - so the ad might have been their insider way to proof that they really needed him (if there really was an ad). BTW, when I reconsider what the requirements were supposed to be, even if it was serious, there'd actually only be one or two people in the whole wide world who'd apply anyway... >>2) There is a member of Arkana (the group who coincidentally remixed >>"Yebo") named "Lola Creme". Is this the same person as Lol, or is this >>one of his relatives ? Lalo Creme is Lol's son. (I think he also was in The Glam Metal Detectives.) BTW, the singer of Arkarna is Ollie J, who's remixed Relax 1993. >>3) Since Ian Peel decided to provide [...] Although I very much share the interest in the old-age, I think it's only fair to AON (and more useful within the context of DJ Mag) to lay the emphasis on present affairs. >The question is, whatever happened to artofsilence? JJ's artofsilence >project wasn't the greatest, but certainly wasn't embarassing and West 4 >was quite good. I thought the whole album was really good (e.g. Messenger From Heaven), and yet my favourite AOS track is the non-album 'Teach Me' (a real body mover). Cheers Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:27:59 -0500 From: James Scott Coward Subject: Re: (ztt) RE: AoN Sampled Ian Peel wrote: > Wow - thanks David, > > I thought I'd post this back to the lists as there's some really > interesting stuff in here... > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Crouch [mailto:dcrouch@erols.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 4:44 AM > To: Ian Peel > Subject: Re: AoN Sampled > > Ian, > > Here are a few samples: > > Summer Junkies - I'm gonna love you (heavily samples Moments in Love) > > C+C Music Factory - sample Beat Box on a 12" of either Gonna Make You > Sweat > (Everybody Dance Now) or Here We Go, Let's Rock and Roll > > from Japanese Hip-Hop Sample FAQ at > http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~crates/netafaq.html: > Pizzicato Five - sample Beat Box ? > > from the Rap Sample FAQ at http://accessus.net/~xombi/rock.html: > > Into the Battle with the Art of Noise: (Island 1983) > * "Beat Box" > Gospel Gangstas' "One Time" > Heavy D's "Swingin Wit Da Heavsta" > Marky Mark's "You Gotta Believe" > XClan's "In the Ways of the Scales" > > Who's Afraid of the Art of Noise?: (Island 1984) > * "Moments in Love" > LL Cool J's "Doin' it Again" > Maya's "It's all about Me" > Maya's "It's all about Me" (Remix) > > Ian Peel wrote: > > > I'm trying to put together a full list of artists who have sampled Art > > of Noise. Is there such a list on the WWW somewhere? I haven't > started > > the list yet, but from memory it should include: > > > > Janet Jackson > > Norman Cook > > Definition of Sound > > Prodigy That's not the half of it. C+C Music Factory also ripped "Moments In Love" for the track "Just a Touch of Love." Also, Chubb Rock has used AON on more than one occasion. (sadly) Markie Mark and the Funky Bunch blatantly ripped "Beat Box" on one of their last popular (if that can ever be truly said) tracks. I'll never forget the stumbling onto the video on MTV late one afternoon. They were using "Beat Box" as a breakdown while slow motion footage was played of everyone jumping into camera frame on a trampoline. I couldn't believe it. I was torn between revulsion and respect for their momentary lapse into good taste. There is some rapper that sounds like the guy who did "Oh Carolina". I wish I could be more specific about him, but, on a track that one of my best friends has, this guy used one bar of "Peter Gunn" as a breakbeat. He used it from Duane's guitar right into that classic drum roll. There was, also, a minimalist industrial group called Kode-IV that used various samples from the whole LP "Who's Afraid" along with "Crazy" by Patsy Kline. I'm sure there are still others, but, this is all I can think of right now. Sincerely, - -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time: it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality." - The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:50:42 -0500 From: James Scott Coward Subject: Re: (ztt) AON: Tripping on Lol & J.J. Juno Jackson wrote: > I have a few questions regarding Lol Creme and J.J. Jeczalik. > > 1) Trevor had already known Lol from back in the day when he > appeared in the "Cry" video by Godley & Creme (this is mentioned in > the "Daft" liner notes). If Trevor knew him already, then why did AON > > place an ad in a newspaper looking for an artist an a video director ? > > Can someone say waste of money? > > 2) There is a member of Arkana (the group who coincidentally remixed > "Yebo") named "Lola Creme". Is this the same person as Lol, or is this > one of his relatives ? > > 3) Since Ian Peel decided to provide as little useful information > possible in his DJ Magazine article (please Ian, don't take this > > the wrong way; I don't mean any offense by this, but I do think that a > > lot of important questions were left unanswered) , can someone give > any insight as to why J.J. Jeczalik didn't return for this project > > (I heard from AMG that he decided to retire from the music business) ? As to the J.J. issue, this should clear things up as far as what the man is doing these days. After all he actually wrote it.: > James......... > > Thanks for the mail ! > > There will be a new AoN album soon, but I am no longer participating ! > > I'm enjoying a new life trading futures ! > > Always a pleasure to reply ! > > Cheers > > JJ > As far as the question about the presence of Lol Creme on the album after a publicized search for talent: Just because you worked with someone, doesn't mean that you remember -or know- all of that persons qualifications. Besides, maybe they thought he was too busy doing other stuff to think he would be interested. It's not like Trevor has Lol's number included in his wallet contents "for just such an emergency...". Can someone say looking for new blood? Next up, the interview: do not knock Ian for focusing on the current work. He does not work for VH-1 doing "Where Are They Now" installments. AON's old work -however wonderful- is not relevant to present time. And the present time is what any successful music mag is going to concentrate on. You want history? Don't look for it in a pop culture mag. You wouldn't look for pearls in a stagnant pond, would you? - -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time: it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality" - The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:09:24 +0100 From: Smiley Subject: (ztt) SMILEY'S SALE IS NOW ON!!! LADIES & GENTLEMEN!!!!! at long last, my long-promised (and possibly long-awaited) spares list is now ready for your perusal and entertainment... there are two lists: 1. the DANCE/TRANCE/AMBIENT.... list. look here for stuff by: Andy Weatherall/Sabres/Two Lone Swordsmen/Lino Square/etc Aphex Twin Autechre Baby Ford Bjork Coldcut 808state Future Sound of London David Holmes The KLF Leftfield The Orb Orbital The Shamen Tricky William Orbit and MANY, MANY more... 2. the ROCK/POP/INDIE list. look here for stuff from the early 1980s onwards. there are MANY mega/ultra rare items for sale, and this list is over SEVENTY PAGES LONG (!). it includes stuff from: ABC, The Adventures, The Alarm, All About Eve, Aztec Camera, The Beautiful South/The Housemartins, The Beloved, The B-52s, Bjork, Black, The Blow Monkeys, The Christians, Lloyd Cole, Julian Cope, The Cure (LOTS!), Danny Wilson, Deacon Blue, Depeche Mode (LOTS!), Echo & The Bunnymen, Erasure (LOTS!), The Fall, Fine Young Cannibals, Peter Gabriel, Garbage, House of Love, Icicle Works, Inspiral Carpets, INXS, James, Jesus & Mary Chain, Jesus Jones, The KLF, New Order, Oasis, Portishead, Prefab Sprout, The Primitives, Prince (LOTS!), REM, Roachford, Saint Etienne, Simple Minds (LOTS!), Siouxsie & The Banshees, SIster of Mercy, The Smiths (LOTS!), JImmy Somerville/The Communards, The Sundays, That Petrol Emotion, The Men They Couldn't Hang, The The (LOTS!), U2 (LOTS!), Voice of The Beehive, ZTT (and related artists) and MANY, MANY more that I don't have time to mention... take a look at both lists, as there's quite a lot of overlap with dance-stuff in the rock/pop list, and rock/pop stuff in the dance list. i guarantee that there's something in there for practically everyone. head on over to: http://come.to/SmileyWeb thanking you for your time - enjoy! - --- Smiley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:57:49 -0400 From: David Crouch Subject: (ztt) Trevor Horn and Lol Creme guest DJ at KCRW Monday From the Art of Noise BBS at http://www.theartofnoise.com - 04/26/99 11:15AM (Pacific Time) -- Trevor Horn and Lol Creme guest DJ live on KCRW 89.9FM (Los Angeles; Orange County). Listen live online @ http://www.kcrw.org/online/. Launch RealAudio player from http://www.kcrw.org/ra/live.ram Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:57:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: Soeren Larsen Subject: Re: (ztt) RE: AoN Sampled > There is some rapper that sounds like the guy who did "Oh Carolina". I > wish I could be more specific about him, but, on a track that one of my > best friends has, this guy used one bar of "Peter Gunn" as a breakbeat. He > used it from Duane's guitar right into that classic drum roll. It`s a track called Shout from 1994. It a lady singing and rapping, I donno the name of the group, but I can find out. They use the Peter Gunn sample and it was around the time Oh Carolina was popular too. I remember some discussion on a radio program back then with the source of the sample and who of the two who used the sample first. The track is quite a party track. Not as corny as Marky Mark ao. PS. I really hate him (them) for the sample of Loleatta Holloway `Love Sensation`. Cheers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 03:26:01 -0700 From: "Karl Hirschberger (Intl Vendor)" Subject: (ztt) ztt: New folders Hi all, I´ve created two new sections on my page "weekly" and "pinboard". In "weekly" i upload every week two new pictures, this week there are two promotional pictures from Propaganda. "pinboard" is now empty, but i want to do the following: Everyone could advertise his Propaganda, Act, Claudia Brücken related items, which he would like to sell, or which he is looking for. So if everyone has something else please write me. The format could be like this: Karl Hirschberger e-mail:propaganda.de@t-online.de For sale: Propaganda - Duel 2x7" 1985 UK (ZTT/Island; DUAL 1) [gatefold ps] 20$ Wanted: Claudia Brücken - Kiss Like Ether 7" 1991 GE (Island; IS 479; 113 912) 5$ Every advertise is for around 6 weeks, then it will be deletet automatically and you could advertise again. Please anvertise with prices in American Dollar and don`t set the prices to high (some items are not as rare as it seems). P.S. I don`t want to make money with that section, it is absoletely FREE. And remember: Another hope is another dream Bye Karl http://home.t-online.de/home/Propaganda.de/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 23:26:25 +0200 From: fisonic@t-online.de (Joerg Fitzner) Subject: Re: (ztt) Trevor Horn and Lol Creme guest DJ at KCRW Monday >>From the Art of Noise BBS at http://www.theartofnoise.com - > >04/26/99 11:15AM (Pacific Time) -- Trevor Horn and Lol Creme >guest DJ live on KCRW 89.9FM (Los Angeles; Orange County). >Listen live online @ http://www.kcrw.org/online/. > >Launch RealAudio player from http://www.kcrw.org/ra/live.ram > >Dave Thanks a lot for forwarding this! It enjoyed it a lot! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ End of ztt-digest V2 #102 *************************