From: owner-ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com (ztt-digest) To: ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: ztt-digest V2 #139 Reply-To: ztt-digest Sender: owner-ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-ztt-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes ztt-digest Tuesday, October 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 139 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:03:55 -0700 From: "Mark Wasiel" Subject: (ztt) ARt of Noise in SF? I hope someone went to the Art Of Noise show tonight in San Francisco? Please let me know what I can expect at Coachella on Saturday. BTW, Trevor Horn will be on Yahoo Chat at 5PM Western time tomorrow, Friday the 8th. Go to yahoo to find out! Bye, Mark W http://home.pcmagic.net/markw home of the new music machine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 03:34:20 PDT From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) Off-Topic : Composing With Computers Hey everyone ! This message is long and a bit technical, so I apologize if this post bores some of you. If anyone can help with this and is an electronic musician (Kevin Lux from the KW list; maybe you could help ?) I'd greatly appreciate it ! Lately I've been considering what moves I should make with computers when I will be upgrading my studio soon. I already have a PC, but I hear from experts that in order to really have a powerful digital audio workstation based around the PC, you have to do a lot of system tweaking and get a really expensive computer. Mainly a lot to do with DMA settings, buffer settings, and video cards. There was one company called Sound Chaser that told me more about it and basically said that there's really no way that you can get a cheap PC system and expect it to do loads of tracks and 24-bit audio. They said that I shouldn't buy anything besides a Pentium 2 at the very least because for some reason K6's and Celerons can't handle audio that well. I also know that in order to run a lot of real-time FX plug-ins, you need a lot of memory. But how much is really enough ? I really thought about getting an Apple G4 system because PC's have always been giving me headaches since day one. I also know that a lot of people like Boris Blank, Trevor Horn, and Orbital use Macs. I had this massive system error a few weeks ago on my PC that caused me reinstall Windows and I couldn't reconnect to the net for about three weeks. But all of the good warez and cracks are mainly for PC only, and this is another big factor in my decision (Radium and EVC forever !!!) ;-) Another funny thing that I've been hearing about is this huge resurgence of Amiga and Atari systems being used for composing. I know that these systems are still really popular in Europe for recording. But aren't they mainly just used for MIDI only ? I mean, there's really no way that you can do digital audio on an Amiga or an Atari; am I right ? Then I thought about using just regular good old hardware and take the silly computing problems out of it by just getting a few regular sequencers and some stand-alone hard disk recorders (particularly the Roland VS series machines). I know that this has been discussed a lot in magazines like Electronic Musician and Keyboard, but somehow I always miss those issues ! ;-P Any help would REALLY be appreciated !!! Sincerely, - --NoiseWerker-- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:11:07 -0700 From: Cliff Tuel Subject: Re: (ztt) ARt of Noise in SF? markw@pcmagic.net (Mark Wasiel) wrote: > I hope someone went to the Art Of Noise show tonight in San Francisco? > Please let me know what I can expect at Coachella on Saturday. Expect an *incredible* show. The lineup was Anne Dudley on keyboards, Trevor Horn on upright bass, electric bass, and MIDI clarinet (EWI), Lol Creme on guitars, and Paul Morley up front narrating, pontificating, and wildly prancing around. Also onstage was a soprano singer, and in back on a riser were two twenty-something blokes manning the computers and effects (all the rhythms and keyboards, other than Anne's parts, came from these two and their Macs). The set was mostly from Seduction, although we were also treated to a couple new pieces, and a few classics: Moments in Love, a medley of Beat Box / Close (To the Edit), and Peter Gunn. The show was a ton of fun, and the band members were obviously having a blast too. Trevor in particular had this huge smile on his face most of the show. Expect a lot of bass and bring your dancing shoes. The whole thing was very well-rehearsed, and you'd never know this was their first show in 13 years. The only let-down was the pathetic light show and the over-driven sound system, but sound & lights generally don't tour with the bnads so this could probably be blamed on the venue. An amazing show. Go see them if you can! - -- Cliff Tuel -- ctuel@pacbell.net NOTE NEW ADDESSS! (formerly cliff@ablecom.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:50:03 PDT From: "Juno Jackson" Subject: (ztt) Coachella Festival Hey guys, I just got my money for the Coachella Festival for this weekend in Indio, CA, but my friends aren't able to make it, (;-0) and I need a ride. Is there anyone from the South Orange County area (California) that is going to be headed out to Indio ? If so, PLEASE MAIL ME !!!! I MUST see Art of Noise and everyone else. This show is EXTREMELY important to me as it will probably be the last big thing that I do before going off to the military; I'll be missing all of the last holidays of the millennium during basic training. I know this is very short notice, but it's a bit of a last resort at the moment. Thank you all, NoiseWerker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:40:12 -0700 From: "jeffg" Subject: (ztt) Art of Noise in San Francisco (spoilers!!) hi all - i'm a longtime fan of art of noise, and i was extremely happy to be able to attend the AON show in san francisco last night. i thought that this might be an appropriate forum for telling other interested parties about their show... they played at a club owned by boz scaggs called "slim's". the posted occupancy is about 550 people, and i would estimate that it was close to capacity last night for the AON show. it has a nice sound system, and a very intimate stage with few lights/effects. the dj started spinning at 9 (eclectic worldbeat, house), and the band went on at 10:30. lol creme's setlist was taped to the floor before the show, and i wrote it down. it was exactly this: out of this world something is missing born again moments in love "rapt" in the evening air intoxicated - roni size on being blue unholy egotism greatest hits medley [jeff's note: they played 'peter gunn' here, but it wasn't on the setlist.] il pleure (false end) la flute de pan dream in colour all of the intricate electronics and drum parts came from tape, with lol creme playing rhythm guitar (far left), trevor horn playing a stand-up bass and an electric bass (center left), two dj/engineer guys at mixing desks (center rear), paul morley waving a hammer (center front), anne dudley playing a kurzweill P88 and novation basstation (center right), and amanda boyd singing operatic vocals (far right). the sound mix was good, and the band really clicked, especially in the slower tracks. they mixed 'beat box' and 'close to the edit' into the same track, called 'greatest hits medley' on the playlist. several of the songs were unfamiliar to me, and appeared to be techno/trance tunes with paul morley taking a prominent role in them. 'something is missing' was a sort of trance number with a kraftwerkian 'computer world' chorus: "email, fax, telepresence, anonymity" kind of stuff. in my opinion, the paul morley vocal tracks did not sound like art of noise. they were brash and monotone, while (imho) traditional AON tunes tend to be richer and more melodic. one particular highlight for me was seeing trevor horn play the bass parts for 'beat box' and 'moments in love'. he played both of them on an acoustic stand-up bass, and he played it very lovingly. the latter part of the 'MIL' bassline (with the running 8th notes) was impeccably done, with trevor concentrating hard, and the crowd in a trance. they actually did the "now, now" break (with the "army now" sample), and each member of the band said "now" in different registers while the crowd all shouted "now, now". several drunken fans near me kept screaming "we love you" to the band, and they kept laughing and smiling at the crowd. i must say that i don't believe paul morley provided a positive contribution to their presentation. he narrated the show (a la john hurt) and continually bantered in a monotone, stream-of-consciousness mode during the songs. he was dressed in a big, high-collared, black frock, and he waved a large black rubber mallet/hammer throughout the show. he seemed to have believed that an AON gig was an opportunity to do stadium-rock posturing, and so he was leaping in the air with his legs splayed, adopting the jesus-on-the-cross pose, running back and forth across the 10 meter stage, and generally trying to look like pete townshend - - all while twirling and waving a hammer. *during 'moments in love', no less*!! these histrionics seemed to cool the enthusiasm of the crowd around me, as he very obviously was making an ass of himself. (it was so embarrassing that i had to avert my eyes at times.) since i was in the center, about 5 feet from the stage, i could watch the 'personal dynamics' of the band, and it was clear that there was some bad blood up there. dudley, creme, and horn were constantly exchanging glances after another bit of morley's histrionics, and they looked alternatively shocked, embarrassed, or puzzled. he'd sometimes jump into the air to punctuate a musical cue, and then there wouldn't even be a cue and he'd look foolish. creme usually looked disgusted, dudley often looked embarrassed, and horn looked shocked/amused/bewildered. i got the impression that they didn't expect him to act in such a way. also, i might add that morley verbally expressed some dissatisfaction onstage. around the time of the 'greatest hits medley', he said (in sarcastic, bitter tones) that the band couldn't move forward because "it always had to come back to beatbox". he also said that he didn't want to play the next song because it was "shameless egotism", but that "she forced them play it" - - and then they launched into 'peter gunn'. anne dudley just looked at her keyboard, and the rest of the band looked grim. that was a bad scene... anyway, i was glad as hell to have been there, if only to see trevor horn doing his thing. morley introduced him as "chairman of the board", and indeed he was. i hope that the morley behavior was just a symptom of opening-night nerves, and that he won't subject everyone to it. hope you get a chance to check it out! cheers - jeff __________________________ Jeff Grote Engineering, VERITAS Software jeffg@veritas.com (650) 318-4126 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:22:33 -0600 From: owner-ztt@lists.xmission.com Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:50:05 -0700 From: "Cliff Tuel" Subject: Re: (ztt) Art of Noise in San Francisco (spoilers!!) Well just to play devil's advocate, I really enjoyed Paul's jumping around and narration. He tied the whole show together, provided a huge burst of energy to an otherwise static show, was witty, and a great showman. I think you're being too hard on him. IMHO. - - Cliff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:57:00 -0700 From: Cliff Tuel Subject: (ztt) AoN chat transcript The AoN chat on Yahoo was with Anne, not Trevor. Here's the transcript: http://www.sonicnet.com/artists/ai_fullchat.jhtml?id=513929&ai_id=2022 - -- Cliff Tuel -- ctuel@pacbell.net NOTE NEW ADDESSS! (formerly cliff@ablecom.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:04:46 -0700 From: Cliff Tuel Subject: Re: (ztt) AoN chat transcript Ooops, that's an old transcript, sorry. It talks about a "future" tour. So maybe the chat with Trevor will be posted soon... - -- Cliff Tuel -- ctuel@pacbell.net NOTE NEW ADDESSS! (formerly cliff@ablecom.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:01:13 -0500 From: artisan2 Subject: (ztt) AON concert stuff. Well, I for one am thoroughly stoked. After an angry phonecall, Angela and I managed to squeeze our tickets out of "Ticket Bastards" for the Chicago show. They hadn't been printed until Wednesday! Needless to say I was getting edgy and pissed. I would like to know what Paul's impression is of his own bounding about? I wonder what sort of message he is trying to convey. Plus, isn't he a bit old to be doing all that jumping? He might throw a hip. ;-) The big thing for me is if there is some way to score backstage access. Have there been any after show events so far? - -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time; it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality." -The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:04:37 -0500 From: artisan2 Subject: (ztt) AON concert stuff. Also, have there been any items for purchase at the shows? - -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time; it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality." -The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:14:31 -0700 From: Cliff Tuel Subject: Re: (ztt) AON concert stuff. > Also, have there been any items for purchase at the shows? Yes. There's a short-sleeve shirt and a long-sleeve shirt, $20 and $25 respectively. Both are dark blue (black?) with "Seduce Me" on the front, and "www.theartofnoise.com" on the back. Pretty ugly, uninspired, and plain, so I didn't get one. - -- Cliff Tuel -- ctuel@pacbell.net NOTE NEW ADDESSS! (formerly cliff@ablecom.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 00:00:01 -0700 From: Geoff Davies Subject: Re: (ztt) Art of Noise in San Francisco (spoilers!!) I'd have to go along with Cliff on this one. I thought Paul made a necessary contribution to the set. It was an up tempo set and the other members would have looked stupid up there without him - they didn't move a lot and they are not showmen. I think he was making sure that they were a parady of themselves - you can't take yourself too seriously in concert. Actually I was reminded of the KLF (a la Justifed Ancients vids) when I saw Paul in the big black jacket. I would have been very disappointed if Paul M had simply repeated the album narration. I thought his contribution was great. I thought Anne looked gorgeous and quite relaxed playing the keyboards and it made my year to see her play Beatbox. Lol seemed quite content is his own little world in the corner. He took the lead on the Peter Gunn track. Trevor did various roles which have been detailed in other emails but he also does some of the lyrics that Rakim did on the album and that was a bit of a stretch but he certainly enjoyed himself out there. For me, the star of the show was Amanda Boyd. Absolutely amazing. When she came on stage strutting around with Paul, I thought she was an extra from that Irish "Lord of the Dance" outfit. A dancer was my initial guess but I was blown away when she started to sing. My jaw dropped. During Peter Gunn, she performed all the wails and screaming - - sounds that I thought could only be machine generated. She performed all the operatic parts of the Seduction album. She has a stunning voice, a great dancer (bags of energy) and she's very attractive. I loved the set list. The "Something is Missing" track is stunning and it had me hooked on the concert only 10 minutes into it. The "Moments in Love" track was awesome and they shifted the tempo to a fast track three time during the song. A great variation. I think that sums up the performance i.e. close to the original but enough variation to get you hooked. The crowd were delighted when the old hits were played. I think us "ZTT mail list" folks were the minority. I asked one guy after the show what he thought and he was obviously someone who only knew AON from the Edge/Beatbox/MIL era because his reaction was "well, they always were a weird band". It was a stunning show and you must beg, steal or borrow to make sure you don't miss this limited run event. I hope there will be a live CD as a result of this mini-tour. Loved it, Geoff. At 05:50 PM 10/8/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Well just to play devil's advocate, I really enjoyed Paul's jumping around and >narration. He tied the whole show together, provided a huge burst of energy >to an otherwise static show, was witty, and a great showman. I think you're >being too hard on him. IMHO. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:26:02 -0500 From: artisan2 Subject: Re: (ztt) AON concert stuff. OK, so how did Saturday's concert go? (It was last night wasn't it?) Was Paul still being a little catty about Anne's non-ZTT past with AON and that whole Peter Gunn thing? I just realized... about how long is their set? Also, who among us are going to the Chicago show tomorrow night? I, kinda, wondered if anyone might want to try to get together at the show; to put faces to the names we see all the time. - -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time; it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality." -The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:35:08 -0500 From: John Goelzer Subject: (ztt) AoN put the "a" in Chicago Random thoughts, stream-of-consciousness "review" of AoN's live appearance at the Metro in Chicago on Monday, October 11th... First and foremost let me add my voice to those that think Paul's antics were over the top. I didn't come equipped with a grain of salt large enough to just laugh it off ("oh, that Paul..."). If he would've restricted the spoken bits more to where they're actually appropriate during songs and given up the whole prancing about with the hammer routine it could've worked quite well. I'm by no means saying that he needs to be erased from the live show for it to be good or better, but that his contribution to AoN live is the most in need of refinement. I quite liked some of his commentary, and not just the Debussy/Baudelaire stuff. His little speech about "Beat Box" being "instrumental music ground zero" and how it had influenced every instrumental track-even those that came before it-was fun. I think they're maybe varying the set list some from night to night, because they started out with the new track ("Something Is Missing?"), which was very cool. My vote would be to record and release it as a single with a new "Moments In Love" mix as the b-side that includes the uptempo changes they did live. Hearing Anne play the piano parts, new and old, live and occasionally improvise some was worth the admission price alone. And watching Trevor and Lol cavort around like rawk stars... priceless. They came out for a second encore: another rendition of "Peter Gunn!" Paul intro'd it saying "this time we'll get it right." And, with some help from Anne (giving everyone, especially the singer, big cues) they did. During the "greatest hits medley" intro, they not only played the "Dallas" conversation that was the source for "can I say something," but also something else that seemed to be the source for "hey!" Amanda Boyd was pretty and cool and overall pretty cool. Not quite as energetic as I was led to believe from some earlier posts (her "dancing" was mainly limited to pogo-ing around, usually in time to the beat), but a great, versatile singer. Her theremin-like wailing on "Peter Gunn" has to be seen/heard to be believed. The acrimony between Paul and Anne bubbled up to the surface every so often. When he was introducing the band members (Trevor got the biggest cheer from the crowd, as well he should), Paul seemed to make a point of getting to Anne last. And then, when he did, he said "And last..." (this is where you would expect him to say "...but not least"), then repeated "and last...Anne Dudley" etc. You could see Anne giggling over his goofball antics every so often. During the first (botched) "Peter Gunn" rendition, Paul was blabbing in his bitter-about-playing-the-old-hits tone about "this song we're so proud of" and Anne did a shoulders-back-head-held-high pose like "damn right I'm proud." It was funny, almost as though they acknowledge their feud and can laugh about it. I think someone in an earlier post mentioned the Yamaha MIDI wind controller Trevor used by model no., but it didn't register with me at the time, and I was very surprised - pleasantly - when he was playing the sax/clarinet (?) parts of "Dreaming" live. Later in the track he was triggering some weird-ass otherworldly sounds with it, too. The "20-somethings" (neither of them Andy Richards - was he *really* at an earlier show?) behind all the gear were busy boys indeed, though it was damn near impossible to tell just what they were doing/controlling in real time. Nice to see a PowerBook G3 with the big white Apple logo prominently displayed, though. I'm not sure that I "bought" Trevor's vocalizing on "Metaforce," especially since no other band members apart from the gearboys and Paul were present on stage and since the vocals were ultra-processed like those on the record. Made me think that maybe, just maybe, they were just playing a straight version of "Metaforce" w/Rakim's vocal removed. Anyway, I know I've nitpicked about some stuff in here, and I did think Paul was a bit much, but at the end of the day I thoroughly enjoyed the show and would go see them again in a heartbeat. Hope everyone enjoys the rest of the dates. JG # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------ End of ztt-digest V2 #139 *************************