From: mike@hyperreal.org Subject: (ztt) Music mafia wastes no time Date: 01 Jun 1999 11:18:09 -0700 (PDT) As of today, in compliance with a cease-and-desist letter from Universal Music Group, I have removed the MP3 (a relatively low-quality file containing 3 cuts from a promo of the new AoN album) that I announced to the AoN-chat list on May 21. Hopefully that will be the end of it. The letter was cc'd to 6 people at Universal, 1 at Polygram, 1 at ZTT, and 1 at the RIAA, and also to an address that they apparently thought was my ISP. A physical letter was also sent via certified mail. ...Just a word of caution for anyone else thinking of doing same :/ [Universal is the sole and exclusive licensee of all rights in the US and Canada in and to master recordings embodying the performances of the artist professionally known as the "Art of Noise"] - Mike ______________________________________________________________________ Mike Brown / Hyperreal | Director, Hyperreal Music Archive PO Box 61334 | http://www.hyperreal.org/music/ Denver CO 80206-8334 USA | Software Engineer, www.netIgnite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Shore Baur Subject: (ztt) Re: Music mafia wastes no time Date: 01 Jun 1999 12:54:11 -0600 I would love to know if *anyone* on this list that heard about - or downloaded and actually listened to - the mp3s you put up had any intention of not buying the album that they were from. Personally, I plan to buy the album anyway. Anything that I may have listened to only serves to increase the anticipation of the release. To some degree, this is very unfortunate. I was planning on making either mp3s (or something) of clips from *all* of the AoN albums in the hope that people would hear them and spend the energy to find the albums and buy them. I didn't plan to record the entire albums, probably not even the entire songs, but enough to get a good feel of the music (ie: slightly more than 30 secs). I guess now they won't get that free advertising. Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: (ztt) Re: Music mafia wastes no time Date: 01 Jun 1999 15:00:32 EDT > As of today, in compliance with a cease-and-desist letter from Universal > Music Group, I have removed the MP3 (a relatively low-quality file > containing 3 cuts from a promo of the new AoN album) that I announced to > the AoN-chat list on May 21. Hopefully that will be the end of it. Yeah, they jumped on me when I mp3s the Dream On single http://home.earthlink.net/~themgnt/dream.htm Knowing that I thought you'd get busted fairly quickly for putting up actual album tracks. > The letter was cc'd to 6 people at Universal, 1 at Polygram, 1 at ZTT, and > 1 at the RIAA, and also to an address that they apparently thought was my > ISP. A physical letter was also sent via certified mail. Ouch! Yes, I hope that's the end of it. -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TOB@ramboll.dk Subject: RE: (ztt) Re: Music mafia wastes no time Date: 01 Jun 1999 22:27:30 +0100 Hello list, I fully comply with Eric Baur's statement: "I would love to know if *anyone* on this list that heard about - or downloaded and actually listened to - the mp3s you put up had any intention of not buying the album that they were from." I had time to download the files - I even did it from home with my slow 56k line - but a good investment. If anyone at ZTT follows this mailinglist, please notice: - Since I downloaded the file with 16 minutes of the AoN tracks, I have played them constantly at work, in the car, and in my home. - I have phoned to the 'old' Danish AoN fellows and played the new tracks over the phone - WHAT GREAT free PR !! - It should have been ZTT's homesites that gave out these REAL Art of Noise tracks. In stead of this more modern RONI SIZE remix, obviously aiming in selling and promoting the remixer and the a2bMusicPlayer more than promoting Art of Noise. (Not that I don't like the remixes, but the 16 illegal minutes are the real stuff, the kind of music that makes me simply can not wait for the album release) Though ZTT.COM and related AoN sites have improved during the last month, I must send zero points for this one. - Torben (The Dane) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John McCormick Subject: (ztt) When released? Date: 02 Jun 1999 22:25:41 +0100 Dear Ztt'ers, Two questions: * When is new Propaganda material being released (new album as promised)? * When is the new 'TCHorn' Album being released? thanks, John M. // Northamptonshire, ENGLAND. \\ \\ Please visit my web pages at: // // http://members.tripod.com/~jmccormick \\ \\ - * - // # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Wasiel" Subject: (ztt) trevor horn album date & art of noise info Date: 02 Jun 1999 23:24:34 -0700 Hi everyone, The current scheduled date for release of the Best of Trevor Horn (or whatever it is going to be called) is Sept. 21 in the U.S. I would image the UK release is the day before like standard. Haven't heard what is on it yet. Universal records will be releasing it in the U.S. With regards to the AON, the album has been pushed back a week 29th with the UK release being the 28th. They did change the track order. I think it falls in line with that newer promo that someone had posted about a while ago. I have a copy but I haven't really had a chance to listen to it yet. The CD will contain a bonus disc of remixes according the the Universal press release. It doesn't say exactly, but it looks like it will be some or all of the UK remixes of Dream On. I'll be posting a scan of the one-sheet on my site soon...they have lots of other exciting things planned as well!! Mark http://home.pcmagic.net/markw Home of A New Stereophonic Sound Spectacular: The P5 Discography # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juno Jackson Subject: (ztt) Art of Noise : Import bonus track on "Who's Afraid ? " Date: 03 Jun 1999 12:27:42 PDT Hey fairlighters !!! I was checking out imvs.com, and I did a search for AON. I was just looking through the regular titles, and I read a description for the UK import version of "Who's Afraid ? (I am assuming that this is the reissue)" . There was a bonus track called "Liquid Sky" that was mentioned. Has anyone else noticed this ? How does it sound ? NOISEWERKER _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) AON is not always art of noise Date: 04 Jun 1999 09:34:15 -0400 re: bonus track on "who's afraid" called "Liquid Sky". could be that OTHER group, 'aon'. I can't give specifics cause i dont know but there is some group called "AON" which stands for "AON" not art of noise. its just some other group with a similar name that makes finding things real difficult. Other confusing things: Black (A&M records' colin vearncombe) vs. BLACK some metal(?) band Frankie goes to hollywood vs. FGTH (a 'tribute' band who plays Florida alot) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jhall@imv.au.dk Subject: (ztt) Where can I find DJ.mag and EQ Date: 05 Apr 1999 12:41:10 +0200 Hello all you ztt-fans. It's great to feel the buzz as the official release of the new AON album is gettig nearer. BUT As I live in Denmark I'm having trouble finding DJ-magazine and EQ containing the Ian Peel Interviews. Also someone mentioned a Trevor Horn interview in the kuly '99 issue of UK-mag "The Mix"? Can anyone help me obtain these mags??? I would be eternaly grateful! (well for a really long time anyway) Also if there are any other interviews sceduled. Regards Jesper Hall jhall@imv.aau.dk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adeheathen@aol.com Subject: Re: (ztt) who's after the Art of Noise ? Date: 05 Jun 1999 12:34:29 EDT Just picked up a promo CD of the AON album. haven't listened to it yet, but am pleased with meself. Actually, I got Earl Brutus, Cooler and Fuzz Townshend at the same time, so you can appreciate, AON is at the back of a queue. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Blake" Subject: (ztt) 'Sedution' Promo Pack Date: 05 Jun 1999 16:40:51 -0500 I've not quite gotten caught up on my backlog of messages from the ZTT list, so I apologize if someone has already mentioned this item... I was at a CD show and picked up a rather interesting promo pack for AON's new 'Sedution Of Claude Debussy' release. There are two discs in die cut sleeves. The first is the 13 track release of 'Seduction' with different cover art than the other two promos (the 12 track or the 13 track UD-53235). The other disc is titled 'Sources & Methods' which is a 5 track promo compilation of old AON tracks: 1. Moments In Love 2. Close (To The Edit) 3. (Three) Fingers Of Love 4. Beat Box (Diversion 1) 5. A Time For Fear (Who's Afraid) There is a short biography printed on the back of the 'Sources & Methods' sleeve. Also in the pack are 6 rice paper-like inserts that have various graphics on one side and biography information on the other. Insert One talks about Debussy's influence on modern music. Insert Two is an extract from the "Art Of Noise Manifesto" Insert Three lists (in very smal print) a ton of AON influences including 808 State, Randy Quaid, Village Voice, Andy Warhol, etc. Insert Four and Five both give a paragraph description of each of the thirteen songs on 'Seduction'. Insert Six talks more about Debussy's influence on modern music. All of this is packaged in 7x5 mylar bag with an 'Art Of Noise' logo sticker on the front. Just thought I'd let everyone know... -- Visit my SYNTHPOP page with over 2,600 examples of synthpop cover art! Synthpop Page: http://www.swcp.com/blakeh/synthpop.htm Email: blakeh@ix.netcom.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: Re: (ztt) 'Sedution' Promo Pack Date: 05 Jun 1999 20:37:34 -0400 I got one too! It's interesting to note that the advance in the mylar pack is the same tracklisting, track times and total times as the 'final' disc. The final disc has different art than the previous 2 advance discs and inside are some more quotes and excerpts from an 'index' of influences, etc. as well as pictures of the sea, solarized pic of debussy, a blindfolded woman, someone (trevor?) in what looks almost like a KKK mask, and lots of blue and purple swirls sorta like Monet. Among other things in the 'index', is "Reeves, Keanu". Hmmm. Sun Ra, Devo, DKNY..... UD-53235 and U3P-1504 are both 56:46 il pleure 8:02 born on a sunday 4:40 dreaming in colour 6:42 on being blue 4:58 continued in colour 1:19 rapt 4:21 metaforce 3:44 holy egoism of genius 7:56 la flute de pan 2:45 metaphor on the floor 2:06 appoximate mood swing no: 2 2:14 pause 2:29 out of this world (version 138) 5:25 advance U3P-1445 total time 57:05 (12 tracks) il pleure 8:02 born on a sunday 4:37 dreaming in colour 8:33 on being blue 5:09 rapt: 4:21 metaforce 3:44 holy egoism 7:56 la flute de pan 2:31 out of this world 5:16 metaphor on the floor 2:06 approximate mood swing no: 2 2:14 pause 2:30 U3P-1504 (disc 2) 34:01 (doesnt' sound remastered, std1-2 sec pause between each trk) moments in love 10:17 close to the edit 5:28 3 fingers of love 4:44 beat box div.1 8:32 a time for fear 4:45 re: the horn disc "postponed til 2000" re: bonus disc of remixes "yes some sort of limited edition" so really, the reprise of 'dreaming in colour' lacking and the mix being different on the advance/longer is the main difference. the slight shaving of seconds on some tracks didn't seem to be a big deal, I do think the mastering is a bit punchier on the advance though. Blake wrote: > I've not quite gotten caught up on my backlog of messages > from the ZTT list, so I apologize if someone has already > mentioned this item... > > I was at a CD show and picked up a rather interesting promo > pack for AON's new 'Sedution Of Claude Debussy' release. > > There are two discs in die cut sleeves. The first is the > 13 track release of 'Seduction' with different cover art than > the other two promos (the 12 track or the 13 track UD-53235). > The other disc is titled 'Sources & Methods' which is a 5 track > promo compilation of old AON tracks: > > 1. Moments In Love > 2. Close (To The Edit) > 3. (Three) Fingers Of Love > 4. Beat Box (Diversion 1) > 5. A Time For Fear (Who's Afraid) > > There is a short biography printed on the back of the 'Sources & > Methods' sleeve. > > Also in the pack are 6 rice paper-like inserts that have various > graphics on one side and biography information on the other. > > Insert One talks about Debussy's influence on modern music. > > Insert Two is an extract from the "Art Of Noise Manifesto" > > Insert Three lists (in very smal print) a ton of AON influences > including 808 State, Randy Quaid, Village Voice, Andy Warhol, etc. > > Insert Four and Five both give a paragraph description of each of the > thirteen songs on 'Seduction'. > > Insert Six talks more about Debussy's influence on modern music. > > All of this is packaged in 7x5 mylar bag with an 'Art Of Noise' logo > sticker on the front. > > Just thought I'd let everyone know... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Peel Subject: (ztt) 10x10x10x10 Date: 05 Jun 1999 17:15:58 +0100 10. A little musical update from me... 9. Anyone see Art of Noise (Trevor and Paul) on Something For The Weekend (VH-1 in the UK) this morning?! I only caught the last five minutes - inane questions about Duane Eddy, Tom Jones and Genesis, followed by videos of Britney Spears and Aerosmith! Ironic and depressing (but a little exciting). 8. Leilani's new single seems to be getting reasonably heavy rotation on The Box channel on UK cable. 7. That new Art of Noise box set (Inside, ZTT 130CDX) sure is tasty. But why is everyone calling it a box set? It's just a box - nothing more! 6. Gutted I missed the Lee Griffiths showcase at Madame Jo Jo's last Monday! 5. The Frames have never been my cup of tea, but their new album Dance The Devil... (ZTT 127CD) is actually rather good. Three rubbish tracks but the rest are great - especially Star Star and the title track. It's out 12 July with a single - The Pavement - out 7 June. 4. Talking of new releases, I've recently been absorbing two CD promos of The Frames (where's the DC gone?!) and Lee Griffiths. The Pavement Tune/Steal My Body/Look Back Now on the former. Feeling The Strain/Do It Again/Funky Junky Monkey on the latter. No catalogue numbers on either. There's also a four track Album Sampler (again no cat. no., made up by Masterpiece Mastering a la TSOCD original promo but with a picture sleeve) from Lee Griffiths lurking around. It has Feeling The Strain/Crazy/Sweet Baby James/Morning After. 3. Rather chuffed to get my hands on a copy of the Art of Noise - Metaforce CD single a couple of weeks ago. ZTT 129CD with original/roni size/rhythm masters mixes. Same size/shape of packaging as for State 808's Bond CD single for those that are interested. Don't lose any sleep waiting for the Roni Size remix. It's not that great - his original productions are fine, but he's never turned in tremendous remixes, has he? Check Nicolette's Let No One live Rent Free Inside Your Head double pack for evidence of that. 2. Also on my playlist this week: Fridge: Eph (Go Beat) Muslimgauze: Remixes No. 2 (Soleil Moon) Dub Funk Association: The Pendulum Version (Tanty) Faye Whale: Good Impression (VHP) Various: Marconi Point (Iris Light) 1. boogie Ian Peel http://welcome.to/the.world.of.ian.peel (is under construction) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fisonic@t-online.de (Joerg Fitzner) Subject: Re: (ztt) 'Sedution' Promo Pack Date: 06 Jun 1999 00:41:08 +0200 Hi! Blake wrote: >I was at a CD show and picked up a rather interesting promo >pack for AON's new 'Sedution Of Claude Debussy' release. > >There are two discs in die cut sleeves. The first is the >13 track release of 'Seduction' with different cover art [...] >The other disc is titled 'Sources & Methods' which is a 5 track >promo compilation of old AON tracks: >[...] >Also in the pack are 6 rice paper-like inserts that have various >graphics on one side and biography information on the other. >[...] >All of this is packaged in 7x5 mylar bag with an 'Art Of Noise' logo >sticker on the front. > >Just thought I'd let everyone know... Wow!!! Is that a US promo pack or UK? (Is the included TSOCD cd cat.no. ZTT130CDP?) Is it maybe the 'Inside' promo pack which you can win on the website? And, what's the catalogue number of the 'Source & Methods' disc? Congratulations Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fisonic@t-online.de (Joerg Fitzner) Subject: (ztt) Re: The Art of the Seduction Date: 08 Jun 1999 19:42:56 +0200 Hello! James wrote: >Joerg wrote: >> [...] I was surprised the changes are rather elemental on some tracks. >> [...] > >Hey (hey hey), you mean the 13-track version is substantially different? >I've been listening to the 12-track, and not heard the 13. All in all for the full album, the changes aren't too big, although one can find some minor details changed all around. But I think the general mood is about the same. I think the changes in "Born On A Sunday" and "Dreaming In Colour" are the most obvious. In "Born On A Sunday" the butcher has reincarnated some additional female singing, which makes the intro of the song sound like a silly Andreew Lloyd Webbber musical. Later on there's a stupid synth (bass or what) effect at one scene, which I personnally hate. But on the other there's some new piano in the song, which I love! What I generally dislike about the changes in this particular song, is that it's destroyed the groove, which had build up so nicely in the initial version. (But that's just my very personal opinion.) BTW, I like the changes and slpitting they have done to "Dreaming In Colour" (it simply didn't have the stamina for 8.5 minutes before), but I found the trackorder for the second half of the record was better in the first version. Firstly because in that the contrast at the start of "Metaphor On The Floor" was at a maximum on the unlimited Richter-scale (who's almost crashed his car? closely, closely). And secondly because then Paul Morley was the first and the last voice on this record. So there's no shadow without light, and vice versa - always vice versa! Cheers Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fisonic@t-online.de (Joerg Fitzner) Subject: (ztt) Re: First impressions...last? Date: 08 Jun 1999 20:18:00 +0200 Hi friends Alexis wrote: >I do believe that John Hurt's narration is obtrusive here. While his gritty >tones are an ideal embodiment of Paul Morley's prose, I believe they are >unnecessary, as we are left indifferent, in context, as to whether Debussy >'preferred cats to people'. Not that I wouldn't fancy good lyrics, but _musically_ I don't care about the _meaning_ of the text at all. All I care for is how the singing and speaking _sounds_ like. And I think John Hurt sounds great. (You said yourself that he's the ideal embodiment.) Similar reasoning applies to Rakim's vocals. Cheers Joerg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juno Jackson Subject: (ztt) AON- Seduction Promo Pack Date: 09 Jun 1999 18:21:54 PDT What's up ? I also received the promo pack with the anti-static bag and the promo CD of Seduction. This was sent to me by Universal Records themselves. I was so ecstatic that I could hardly contain myself !!!! IMHO, the new CD sounds like In No Sense Nonsense with a few cups of Below the Waste and the Hollow Reed soundtrack mixed in with tight D&B rhythms. The only thing that I was disappointed about was the fact that AON was not involved in any of the drum programming. I am also still bitter about J.J. retiring from the music industry and not being on the new album. But I liked the hidden "dum-dum" samples in "Dreaming in Colour"; that was the shit !!! For those who haven't heard the new CD yet, I am truly sorry to be leaving you out of the fun and games. Metaforce is the bomb; it has definite crossover appeal. One more thing; for those who haven't seen it, there are two articles on AON in the latest issues of CMJ (the one with DJ Rap on the cover), and Billboard (the one from last week with the middle spotlight focus on the Hawaii music scene). LOVE YOU ALL !!!!! NOISEWERKER _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) comical ebay seller selling debussy Date: 15 Jun 1999 14:24:23 -0400 I thought this ad and his reasons why he justifies a $20 starting bid and why he believes he deserves $30 or more for it, was worth a posting for this list, and possibly the RIAA and Universal records or whoever else gave him the promo in the first place: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=116229275 Art of Noise's Seduction of Claude Debussy full-length CD, pre-release promo! - Not even available in stores yet! Another smooth sonic masterpiece by these experimental-pop masters. Intelligent music for intelligent people, eh? This ranges from classical-influenced moodpieces to technoid danceably fun stuff. THIS ALBUM IS NOT COMMERCIALLY AVAILALBYET. You want it early, you can get it here. This copy has full liner notes and front & back inserts (the back one is promo punched thru the UPC symbol. This item gets pretty hot bids on eBay. I've seen it sell for over $30, so I am setting a reasonable minimum bid to weed out rinky-dink early low bids that will just waste everyone's time. I hope someone like Zang writes him and says "Breaking street date is punishable by death. Good day!!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: RE: (ztt) comical ebay seller selling debussy Date: 15 Jun 1999 13:55:09 -0500 I saw this too. (lol) I considered that at best one might get this item at one's doorstep a week before its street release. And have paid a premium of at least $8 (including shipping) for that honour. I'll just pretend I downloaded a file off the Internet and pretend that I've listened to it everyday about 2 or 3 times on average and pretend that I love it (cuz, of course, no such file ever existed for us to enjoy and entice us - that would be ILLEGAL!) and await my preorder from CDNOW.com patiently so that I can wear out the digital grooves on it when it arrives the first week of July. And I'll be at least $5 up on the deal, including shipping. -Dave B > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ztt@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-ztt@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Charles Daraghy > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:24 PM > To: ztt@xmission.com > Subject: (ztt) comical ebay seller selling debussy > > > > I thought this ad and his reasons why he justifies a $20 starting bid > and why he believes he deserves $30 or more for it, was worth > a posting > for this list, and possibly the RIAA and Universal records or whoever > else gave him the promo in the first place: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=116229275 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ernie Longmire Subject: Re: (ztt) comical ebay seller selling debussy Date: 15 Jun 1999 16:51:26 -0600 On Tue, Jun 15, 1999 at 02:24:23PM -0400, Charles Daraghy wrote: > I hope someone like Zang writes him and says "Breaking street date is > punishable by death. Good day!!" The labels have apparently been cracking down on promo sales through eBay, which I think is utterly ridiculous. If they don't want these getting out of the hands of the various industry weasels they send them to, they should stop sending them out in the first place. -- Lazlo Nibble - lazlo@studio-nibble.com - http://www.studio-nibble.com -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Dawson Subject: (ztt) Frankie Lives Again??? Date: 15 Jun 1999 17:51:13 PDT I just heard from my brother, who lives in Virginia, that Frankie Goes to Hollywood was advertised in the list of performers at something called the "Fairfax Fair" in Fairfax County last weekend (June 12/13). He said that the advertising actually listed the group as "Frankie Goes to Hollywood," not as "FGTH" or another cover-band name. I thought he must be nuts, but he told me to go to this address (which may not still be up by the time you read this message): http://www.fairfaxfair.com/index1.htm Sure enough, on Saturday the 12th at 6:30pm on the "Bud Stage," it lists Frankie Goes to Hollywood as one of the performers! May I discreetly ask if anyone here has any idea just what the hell somebody is trying to pull? Somehow, I don't think that Holly, Paul and the lads got back together to play at places like the "Fairfax Fair"... --James Dawson stjamesdawson@hotwriter.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) modern english orig. lineup is touring / FGTH Date: 16 Jun 1999 21:35:01 -0400 www.fairfaxfair.com has them (modern english AND frankie goes to hollywood) the manager wrote me back when i asked about the frankie goes to hollywood show and its not being the 'real' group and his reply is noted below.... Barry was nice enough to write back and explain as best he could the situation and who their management company is. i dont know if they are doing other dates or where. (modern english) It is true that Holly Johnson was not with the band (he has been ill for years, but I understand he is pursuing a solo career at this time); however, our understanding was that one of the originals was one of the originals was, in fact, part of this line-up. Contractually, we booked and billed the show as "Frankie Goes to Hollywood - Relaxed" - the current touring name for this group. We knew from the start that Holly Johnson would not be a part of the line-up and had the same reservations that you now appear to have. We actually had decided not to book them unless we got another 80's band with a little more credibility (of original members) to be part of the same bill -- that's where Modern English came in to the picture. Modern English is actually the original band (although like most bands there have been changes in the line-up over the years) and they did a great show! They're doing the Festival circuit this year and have performed at very large events in Charlotte and Atlanta during the past two months, in addition to our show and clubs up and down the East Coast. The Frankie show was a good one, but we decided that as they were the opening act on a 3-group bill that it would be just a 45-minute set - Modern English did an hour and Fastball 75 minutes. Finally, insofar as it being unfair to the "real band," our understanding is that what we had here was actually the closest thing to it (without having Holly Johnson). It appears that you think otherwise based upon your information about them in Florida - I would love to know more about that. We knew what we had was not the original, but also recognized that even as a tribute band that we would still have a good show. If you have knowledge that none are orignial members, please contact me with that info. As I said, we were under the impression that there was one originial remaining with this group. If you're still interested, their representation is by Mountain Entertainment. Thanks for the interest. Barry Feil Director of Operations -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 11:34 PM Barry I'm not sure if you or Beverly would be the one to contact, but I was intrigued by one of the shows on your Bud stage on june 12, Frankie Goes to Hollywood. This is not the real band from the 80's, but rather a tribute/cover band that seems to have been doing alot of shows in Florida. The lead singer is not Holly Johnson and none of the other band members are original band members. I'm curious who their management is. I do hear they put on a good show, but it's really unfair to the real band, who is being ripped off by this act. If you have a contact, i'd appreciate hearing about them. I'm undecided if I want to try and get them booked locally up here, or contact them to find out what the real story is. You do have some other great shows, too bad i'm in Poughkeepsie, NY ! Is the band "Modern English" the original band? I haven't heard of them doing any recordings or tours in like 10 years. Great to see Artists like Chad Brock and Mark Chesnutt on their too. hope to hear from you -charles daraghy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Karl Hirschberger (Intl Vendor)" Subject: (ztt) ZTT: Propaganda Dual1 Date: 16 Jun 1999 23:08:22 -0700 Hi all, i`ve just bought the 2x7" single duel with ordernumber DUAL1, over this order number is a sticker with a german order number: 860 259-213. Has anyone the same 2x7" ????? P.S. Found a new production from Rififi (Andreas Thein) - Big money noise, track this one, next in the discography. Bye Karl http://home.t-online.de/home/Propaganda.de/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cobra.Bora" Subject: AW: (ztt) ZTT: Propaganda Dual1 Date: 17 Jun 1999 22:26:28 +0200 Hi, I have the same 2x7" - on the second 7", there are remixes of The Chase and Dr Mabuse. it's great! At this time, the German record company used to take the original British pressing and put a sticker on it with the German order number, so they wouldn't need to press it themselves. Andreas Thein has released as far as know four singles as Rififi, the most successful being their second release Dr Acid and Mr House. The first was Accelere Mon Amour (a cover of an old tv series theme). Another cover version followed (Shaft), the last was Big Money Noise. Alberto -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-ztt@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-ztt@lists.xmission.com]Im Auftrag von Karl Hirschberger (Intl Vendor) Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 17. Juni 1999 08:08 An: 'ztt@lists.xmission.com' Betreff: (ztt) ZTT: Propaganda Dual1 Hi all, i`ve just bought the 2x7" single duel with ordernumber DUAL1, over this order number is a sticker with a german order number: 860 259-213. Has anyone the same 2x7" ????? P.S. Found a new production from Rififi (Andreas Thein) - Big money noise, track this one, next in the discography. Bye Karl http://home.t-online.de/home/Propaganda.de/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John McCormick Subject: (ztt) Another 'Arty' Review Date: 18 Jun 1999 16:23:37 +0100 Dear ztt'ers, Thought this may interest you. I have a copy of my local newspaper (don't knock them) published here in England. It has a review (reviewed internally) of the 'Metaforce' single. It says WFW: "Art of Noise - Metaforce (ZTT Records - out now) ** DISAPPOINTING return from the 1980s electro music pioneers. This is just a regular rap, with the vocals provided by Rakim. It does perk up in the final bars, but by then it's too late." Apparently 'The Seduction Of Claude Debussy' is released on June 28th here in UK. According to Chronicle & Echo: Ratings: ***** - Present these boys or girls with their Brit award Right now. **** - Excellent this should sell stacks. *** - Pretty good worth investing in. ** - Definitely got to have taste for this one. * - Why did they bother? (Work this out yourselves) ... oh, and 'erm Scritti Politti Album out JULY 19th ... 'great' Cheers, John M. (ps. no offence to Scritti Politti fans out there!) // Northamptonshire, ENGLAND. \\ \\ Please visit my web pages at: // // http://members.tripod.com/~jmccormick \\ \\ - * - // # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe.Pind@bankamerica.com Subject: (ztt) Propagandas new release??????? Date: 18 Jun 1999 15:25:28 -0700 When will the new Propaganda album be released? Any word of another Claudia solo project? Will they (or she)ever tour the U.S.?Can anyone answer any or all of these questions?....thank you,Joe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zteven@aol.com Subject: Re: (ztt) Propagandas new release??????? Date: 18 Jun 1999 20:47:17 EDT In a message dated 6/18/99 6:40:05 PM, Joe.Pind@bankamerica.com writes: << When will the new Propaganda album be released? Any word of another Claudia solo project? Will they (or she)ever tour the U.S.?Can anyone answer any or all of these questions?....thank you,Joe >> The last thing I heard was a late summer/early fall tentative release for the new album. (Can't remember where I heard that.. Might've been on this list...?) I keep checking the Eastwest Records website looking for info, but nothing... Claudia stated in a (relatively) recent issue of Mojo, that for the past several years, she's been raising her daughter, living off royalties, and that since her daughter's birth, her life had changed drastically - but she still sounded very "Claudia." (Note: the word "Claudia" is now officially an adjective.) :) Didn't someone on the list (several months ago) say that they were set to interview/forward questions to her? I never heard anything further on that. Your Decaying Snob, Zteven # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) ztis cassette singles Date: 19 Jun 1999 08:03:09 -0400 I was looking through Lazlo's ztt discography and I noticed there were several mixes that seemed to be cassette-single only or, renamed as such. As far as propaganda and frankie are concerned (then again, who else had 'collectible' ztt cassette singles?) what mixes are most unique, most valuable. I just got a P:machinery one, but haven't listened to it yet because it arrived in such poor condition I really envy the Duel one, and Mabuse doesn't seem like there's anything special about it. It seems the 'relax' one is pretty neat too. Did 808 state ever have anything -cassette only- ? -Charlie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adeheathen@aol.com Subject: Re: (ztt) hoodlum priest Date: 19 Jun 1999 10:06:03 EDT I just got myself a new hifi set-up and this involves me getting rid of loads of vinyl, so before I get rid of the Hoodlum Priest album, does anyone here want it ? But no I will not be getting rid of my Propaganda singles ade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Alex_Veronac@tvo.org (Alex Veronac) Subject: (ztt) Re: Bud stage show... Date: 19 Jun 1999 18:05:48 -0400 Charles Daraghy [mailto:cdaraghy@bestweb.net] writes: Modern English put out a new album 2/3 years ago it didn't do well i guess it was the same stuff, considering it has a re-mahe of "Melt with You" alex v. > >Subject: Bud stage show... > >Is the band "Modern English" the original band? I haven't heard of >them >doing any recordings or tours in like 10 years. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Ferrell (Exchange)" Subject: RE: (ztt) ztis cassette singles Date: 19 Jun 1999 19:59:03 -0700 A couple of the cassette singles were released a few years later as Japanese-only CD singles. The AON cassingle "Closely, Closely" comes to mind as one of those. I was so careful with that cassette: I would make copies off my "master" and listen to those out of fear I'd screw the cassette up somehow. Finally snagged the CD single (a 3" single, no less) and now just listen to the MP3s. Some things never change. :) ianf # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Smiley Subject: (ztt) i'm out of here.....for a while... Date: 18 Jun 1999 21:54:55 +0100 evening all, i'm going out of the country for a couple of weeks, so: i. that's why i won't be replying to emails ii. those who have sent me money for records, which has yet to arrive, it should turn up by the time i'm back - i'll let you know. iii. those who owe me money but HAVEN'T sent it yet - please make sure that it gets to me by the time i'm back, as i've been waiting a LONG TIME. back july 5th. cheers. --- Smiley MASSIVE spares list at: http://come.to/SmileyWeb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff Davies Subject: (ztt) The AON Yahoo chat Date: 19 Jun 1999 02:13:42 -0700 It's up. It didn't do anything for me but make up your own mind. Strangely enough the yahoo site takes you to sonicnet. http://www.sonicnet.com/artists/ai_fullchat.jhtml?id=513929&ai_id=2022 Geoff. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cliff Tuel Subject: (ztt) AoN "Moments in Love" cover Date: 20 Jun 1999 10:20:17 -0700 The group Dancing Fantasy has lost the last of their credibility by doing a jazz cover of "Moments in Love". There's a RealAudio clip at CDNow: pnm://rm.musicserver2.com/~vv-450166/0212888_0105_07_0002.ra (might need to cut & paste this into your RealAudio player) Wooof! -- Cliff Tuel -- cliff@ablecom.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Wasiel" Subject: (ztt) Trevor Horn LIVE in Los Angeles June 25th Date: 20 Jun 1999 12:33:59 -0700 Attention people of Los Angeles, Trevor Horn will be performing live with Sir George Martin and the L.A. Bowl orchestra this Friday the 25th. I was listening to the local (& greatest!) public radio station, KCRW 89.9 fm (http://www.kcrw.org) and they mentioned this Hollywood Bowl concert of Beatles music with many special guests. When they announced Trevor Horn ("former member of Yes") I nearly drove off the road. Actually, I nearly drove off the road when they announced that one of the other artists performing would be the reunited Bangles?!?! Huh?! :) It sounds like a weird show that's for sure but I wanted to post the info in case someone wants to go. It's obviously a very rare occasion to see Trevor perform live. I'm assuming that he will be singing a song or two. I might go if I can get some cheap tickets. Mark Wasiel http://home.pcmagic.net/markw http://home.pcmagic.net/markw Home of A New Stereophonic Sound Spectacular: The P5 Discography # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roger" Subject: (ztt) AoN UK Chart position Date: 21 Jun 1999 01:34:50 +0300 "Metaforce" reached no. 53 on the UK singles chart, exactly the same position as Art of Noise's latest hit, "Shades of Paranoimia". Not much perhaps, but bigger than "Dragnet" or "Yebo". Check it at www.dotmusic.com/charts/top75singles2.asp Roger # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jon Subject: (ztt) FS: Seal, Frankie, propaganda cd singles, ZANCE Date: 20 Jun 1999 16:01:01 -0700 I have the following items for sale if anyone is interested: ZTT Backtrax cd (still sealed) $12 Seal-Future Love EP remixes by Nellee hooper limited UK 12" $12 Frankie Goes to hollywood-Warriors UK cd single (23 minute track!) $12 Seal-Crazy (UK cd single, features accapella and william orbit remix) $10 Seal-I'm Alive UK cd single remixes by Sasha and BT $12 Propaganda-Your Wildlife US promo 12" remixes, mint condition! David morales remixes $12 Seal-The Beginning uk cd single remixes (Mark Moore and Robin Hancock) $10 Seal-Newborn Friend (UK cd single, david morales, sliver mix) 6 mixes total $10 ZANCE-ZTT remixed rare german cd of remixes from frankie, propaganda, 808 state, AON exclusive mix and many more $20 Email me if you're interested or have questions about the tracklisting--thanks! jon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Scott Coward Subject: (ztt) All these AON reviews. Date: 20 Jun 1999 16:49:11 -0500 I'm beginning to find it disappointing to see how few people understand the purpose behind "The Seduction of Claude Debussy". People are forgetting this is not, really, an Art Of Noise album per se. As The Art Of Noise, themselves, have roundly stated, on more than one occasion, this is a tribute to Claude Debussy and his work. This also happens to be a dream of Trevor Horn's. I, personally, try not to knock, criticize or ridicule people's dream projects; they tend to be a more personal view of what someone wants, likes or thinks. Hell one of my dreams was to see them get back together. And to think I didn't have to lift a finger to make it happen. ;-> Now, if I can just get them to produce for Depeche Mode and Bob Dylan.... My point is that when you do any tribute performance you wind up forfeiting a content of your own style to support the work of whom you are paying tribute. That is, of course, unless you are paying tribute to yourself. It is just part of the nature of the act. After all, the album really is AON does Debussy, not AON does AON. Furthermore, they are demonstrating the point that Debussy's work has engrained itself into/triggered the forms, styles and feel of 20th Century music. This causes them to forfeit even more of their own style, in lieu of Debussy's, to effectively prove their point. In light of this, all they have left to show for, of themselves, is their production style and values. When looking at the album objectively, it is nearly a thesis work in modern music and it's origin. I think people are, too often, ignoring the album title (and theme implied therein) and concentrating, only, on the name Art of Noise and the label ZTT. Quite naturally, if this is all that one does before reviewing the album, then, they, likely, will be disappointed and will have missed the point. I, in fact, did that on the first play. Fortunately, I caught on somewhere around "approximate mood swing no:2" and played it all over again. Though, I think that Stravinsky and Mussorgsky also played equal parts in latter 20th Century music, I happen to agree with AON that Debussy was the most influential over all. I, for one, feel that a tribute album was not necessarily the best way to make a comeback, though. Here, in the US, they tend to be regarded as glorified cover-albums, merely, with better packaging. But, this is what Anne and Trevor have been enjoying doing in their spare time. And this music is what brought The Art Of Noise back together. And you know that means that so is back, the big time Trevor Horn production machine. Too bad all the bands that they supported in the past aren't reuniting as well, under ZTT. I'm sure we'll see some new acts get launched to the forefront under The Art Of Noise's support, though. Hopefully, none of the new performers will be inclined to pop Trevor in the eye when their works of art (which Seal couldn't have produced worth a shit on his own, anyway!!) aren't put out on a regimented schedule like a Sony Records assembly line, or something. [see tag below for more on that.] Also, this new incarnation of The Art Of Noise is still not going to sound entirely like the AON of old, simply because they lack the presence of Gary and JJ. A lot of you people don't seem to think that JJ amounted to anything, but this new AON album, I think, proves you wrong. There is barely any of that in-your-face attitude that was felt throughout "Who's Afraid?" I, personally, can hear a good chunk of that attitude, however, in a number of tracks from "artosilence.co.uk". Also they lack that golden EQ touch that Gary is so good at. Trevor is the master of production and arranging bits and pieces of performances together and always will be. But, no one has been able to, fully, replace Gary as production engineer and sound man. The current album is very full and lush and intricate, but, it gets a little muddy at times. For me, what has tied it all together, with "Seduction..." was the wise decision to bring Paul Morley back in. I forgot how much I liked his style of verse. It's cryptic yet still pretty; and brutally necessary to complete their image. Finally, if you're expecting to hear the old Art Of Noise, then, go to your CD case and get out the old Art Of Noise. Nothing stays the same, not even them. Or, nothing stays the same, especially them. -- James Scott Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Don't rush me sonny... You rush a miracle man, you get lousy miracles" -Miracle Max # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Marston Subject: (ztt) Custom AON CD Date: 21 Jun 1999 08:35:19 GMT Snippit from theartofnoise.com ***** The Seduction of Claude Debussy & Custom CD. Art of Noise find themselves in a position to be officially pleased to offer all our on line fans a one-off chance to create their very own Art of Noise customer concieved CD. Just purchase 'The Seduction of Claude Debussy', from 29th June and you will be able to build your own CD, choosing from 12 rare, quite strange and, in many senses, hard-to-find tracks from the past, present and future. There are also a choice of 3 titles and 3 covers for you to choose from. That's really putting the into into interactive. The various b-sides, outsides, insides and rarities being offered include the b-side to a 'Close (to the Edit)' 7" single called ' A Time To Hear ( Who's Listening )', a 12" version of Close (to the Edit), various diversions of 'Beat Box' including a live in the studio version that goes bang bang bom bom bom bom, and unreleased and once thought lost pieces from the 'Into Battle' sessions such as 'Memory Loss', 'Stucture', 'The Subject Has Moved Left' and 'Resin'. This special promotion is currently available to US residents only and is distributed by amplified.com to CD Now, Tower, Transworld and National Record Mart. To buy the album select from the stores below. **** US ONLY!!!! AAAAARRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!! Please tell me we can do this from the UK as well. If not, is there anyone out there who will purchase this for me in the US??? I'm sure we can come to some arrangement. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Marston Subject: (ztt) The Guardian article 21/6/99 Date: 21 Jun 1999 11:34:07 GMT There is an article in today's Guardian (G2 page 14). Their internet site also has a copy of it: http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/arts/story/0,3604,59907,00.html (I think that is the right address) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cliff Tuel Subject: (ztt) Re: Custom AON CD Date: 21 Jun 1999 07:58:54 -0700 So should I cancel my existing pre-order at CDNow? The pre-order comes with: FEAT. HURT/BRADSHAW/RAKIM LMTD ED. BONUS CD THE SEDUCTION OF CLAUDE DEBUSSY contains a limited edition bonus CD which includes remixes by Roni Size and Shark Tank. Do I get this if I wait 'til June 29? Arrrrgh. -- Cliff Tuel -- cliff@ablecom.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John McCormick Subject: (ztt) Noisy goings-on Date: 21 Jun 1999 22:49:52 +0100 Dear fellow ztt-lovers, AONyone else in England read this Monday's 'Guardian' yet [21/6/99]? If not try and get hold of someone's binned copy of the 'G2' section, or get a photocopy: theres an ArtofNoise article in there [by Robin Denselow]! I'll try to get permission to use the exact text from the article. In the mean time here are some extracts from the interview with Trevor, Anne, Paul and info about Lol. Headlined: "The Noise are back in town": "...we've snuck back to the studio without him. He'll be devastated." [Dudley about Lol] "There were some legalities involved in wrestling the name back to ZTT" [Denselow] "...the voice of John Hurt, who acts as a narrator..." [Denselow about 'TSOCD'] "...I used to imagine what a band would be like in the year 2000..." [Morley about music] Anyone want to know more? John M. // Northamptonshire, ENGLAND. \\ \\ Please visit my web pages at: // // http://members.tripod.com/~jmccormick \\ \\ - * - // # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thomas Romlov" Subject: (ztt) Morley interview Date: 22 Jun 1999 00:04:46 +01:0 Dunno if it's been mentioned, but a good interview is to be found at: http://www.sdriver.com/spot/features/art_of_noise_interview.html Thomas. ________________________________________________ Thomas Romlov thomas@pi.se Tel/Fax: +46-40-122004 UIN: 4169488 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (ztt) Morley interview Date: 21 Jun 1999 18:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Thomas Romlov wrote: > Dunno if it's been mentioned, but a good interview is to be found at: > > http://www.sdriver.com/spot/features/art_of_noise_interview.html Hmm, I have a reaction to this interview, which is as you say, quite good. Reading between the lines, this new Art of Noise is much more accessible, in many different ways.. It's often frustrating for an artist to have to explain the nuances of their art for those like me who just don't get it on first listen, view, whatever. But the fact that they're really making an effort can be as encouraging and as thought provoking as the work itself. When Paul goes to lengths to speak frankly about what they've created, suddenly the album is much less a finished product and more of an snapshot of creative process that was in motion for quite some time. I, personally, am happy to see the masks half removed, if only for the run of this promotional period, and even if it's at a price of some of the mystery that was the image of the Art of Noise. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TOB@ramboll.dk Subject: RE: (ztt) Custom AON CD Date: 22 Jun 1999 09:42:09 +0100 Hello List I read about this Custom CD, but was surprised that my memory could not recall some of the extra tracks: "lost pieces from the 'Into Battle' sessions such as 'Memory Loss', 'Stucture', 'The Subject Has Moved Left' and 'Resin'.". Have any of you a broader and better memory? Torben > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Marston [SMTP:robert_marston@hotmail.com] > Sent: 21. June 1999 10:35 > To: ztt@xmission.com > Subject: (ztt) Custom AON CD > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Marston Subject: (ztt) Custom AON CD Date: 22 Jun 1999 11:43:50 GMT with reference to my previous email (see below), ZTT say that they are looking into companies to provide the service in the UK. Is there anyone out there in the US who would be willing to purchase the cd's on my behalf if i can't get them direct?? If so please email me as soom a possible to make arrangements. Cheers, Rob **** previous message***** Snippit from theartofnoise.com ***** The Seduction of Claude Debussy & Custom CD. Art of Noise find themselves in a position to be officially pleased to offer all our on line fans a one-off chance to create their very own Art of Noise customer concieved CD. Just purchase 'The Seduction of Claude Debussy', from 29th June and you will be able to build your own CD, choosing from 12 rare, quite strange and, in many senses, hard-to-find tracks from the past, present and future. There are also a choice of 3 titles and 3 covers for you to choose from. That's really putting the into into interactive. The various b-sides, outsides, insides and rarities being offered include the b-side to a 'Close (to the Edit)' 7" single called ' A Time To Hear ( Who's Listening )', a 12" version of Close (to the Edit), various diversions of 'Beat Box' including a live in the studio version that goes bang bang bom bom bom bom, and unreleased and once thought lost pieces from the 'Into Battle' sessions such as 'Memory Loss', 'Stucture', 'The Subject Has Moved Left' and 'Resin'. This special promotion is currently available to US residents only and is distributed by amplified.com to CD Now, Tower, Transworld and National Record Mart. To buy the album select from the stores below. **** US ONLY!!!! AAAAARRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!! Please tell me we can do this from the UK as well. If not, is there anyone out there who will purchase this for me in the US??? I'm sure we can come to some arrangement. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TOB@ramboll.dk Subject: RE: (ztt) Custom AON CD Date: 22 Jun 1999 16:05:04 +0100 Comment to Cliff Tuel I am perhaps silly, but who wouldn't be in a summer when AoN are releasing new material. Anyhow my question is: if any previously has heard of "lost pieces" or other session recordings, which we (the MailingList) haven't heard of? If any ZTT-employee follows the list; you could perhaps answer? Thanks in advance Torben > -----Original Message----- > From: Cliff Tuel [SMTP:cliff@ablecom.net] > Sent: 22. June 1999 16:44 > To: TOB@ramboll.dk > Subject: RE: (ztt) Custom AON CD > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike@hyperreal.org Subject: (ztt) Metaforce US vinyl promo info Date: 22 Jun 1999 09:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Discography addition (apologies if this has been mentioned before.. I'm losing track): The Seduction of Art of Noise (colorless green ideas sleep furiously) US 2x12": Universal U8P-1505 [promo] "item one: dreams, metaphors, beats and x-ray vision" 8:01 your dream or mine: mix [remix by way out west] 3:48 metaphor on the floor (plan 138): mix [remix by ollie j] 6:53 metaforce - the beat of a metaphor: mix [remix by rhythm masters] 5:25 metaforce - the x-ray of a metaphor: mix [remix by the shark tank] "item two: size, sighs, beats, and x-rated love" 5:40 metaforce - the size of a metaphor: mix [remix by roni size] 6:34 metaforce - the sighs of a metaphor: mix [remix by roni size] 10:17 moments in love 8:31 beat box (diversion one) - Mike ______________________________________________________________________ Mike Brown / Hyperreal | Director, Hyperreal Music Archive PO Box 61334 | http://www.hyperreal.org/music/ Denver CO 80206-8334 USA | Software Engineer, www.netIgnite.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (ztt) Custom AON CD Date: 22 Jun 1999 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) > I read about this Custom CD, but was surprised that my memory could not > recall some of the extra tracks: "lost pieces from the 'Into Battle' > sessions such as 'Memory Loss', 'Stucture', 'The Subject Has Moved Left' and > 'Resin'.". Why would you be able to remember them? They are from the 'Into Battle' *sessions*, not the 'Into Battle' *released record*. ...things that they didn't feel would be appropriate to put on the record back in 1983, and that were never released later as b-sides. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andrew Robinson Subject: Re: (ztt) ztis cassette singles Date: 22 Jun 1999 19:04:10 +0000 "Ian Ferrell (Exchange)" wrote: > A couple of the cassette singles were released a few years later as > Japanese-only CD singles. The AON cassingle "Closely, Closely" comes to mind > as one of those. I was so careful with that cassette: I would make copies > off my "master" and listen to those out of fear I'd screw the cassette up > somehow. Finally snagged the CD single (a 3" single, no less) and now just > listen to the MP3s. My Japanese CD3 has different tracks to the "closely-closely" cassingle - is there an alternate CD3? Mine has Close Up, Close up (hop), and Close to the Edit [the 7"] BTW - Andy R. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Dawson Subject: (ztt) Tower, CNOW List No Bonus CD Info Date: 22 Jun 1999 10:04:05 PDT I went to theartofnoise.com, saw the bit about the customer-created bonus CD available to US purchasers of "Seduction..." from Tower or CDNow, clicked on both of their links -- and neither link said anything about the customer-created CD. Both listed the remix bonus CD that will come with the commercial release, but nothing about a special offer "exclusive." Does this fall under the category of "it sounded too good to be true and it was," or does someone have details about how this deal is going to work? Any info would be appreciated. --James Dawson stjamesdawson@hotmail.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) aon custom Date: 22 Jun 1999 18:28:48 -0400 i emailed amplified.com and expressed the same concern. But have not heard > back yet. I'm trying to find the whole track lists of things to choose. I > also emailed transworld (TWEC.com) since they've done tihs promotion before > with Gus Gus, and asked why no info about this art of noise one. > > along these lines, when cductive.com was running the gus gus promotion (burn > your own) the tracks were not listed to the general public on their site. > > you place your order via one of the selected dealers > you get a password > you visit amplified.com and choose your tracks (and pay a $5-$11 fee) > and get your disc about 10 days later. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Ferrell (Exchange)" Subject: RE: (ztt) ztis cassette singles Date: 22 Jun 1999 17:59:41 -0700 > My Japanese CD3 has different tracks to the "closely-closely" cassingle > - is there an alternate CD3? > >Mine has Close Up, Close up (hop), and Close to the Edit [the 7"] BTW > >- Andy R. Rats. I was certain they were the same, but can't remember for sure: it's been a good 8 years since I listened to the cassingle. My CD3 has the same tracklisting as yours, so if that's different from the cassingle, I'll put the "Doofus" hat on for a while and go sit in the corner... Regards, ian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Wasiel" Subject: (ztt) limited UK edition AON CD? Date: 22 Jun 1999 19:01:24 -0700 Hi, I saw an upcoming solicitation from an import here in the U.S. They list two UK Art Of Noise, Seduction of Claude Debussey CDs coming out. One has the part # ZTT130CD while the other has # ZTT130CDX. Anyone know anything about this "X" version? It was listed as the same price as the one with the "X". Bye, Mark Wasiel http://home.pcmagic.net/markw Home of A New Stereophonic Sound Spectacular: The P5 Discography & International Music Release Calendar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Scott Coward Subject: Re: (ztt) Tower, CNOW List No Bonus CD Info Date: 22 Jun 1999 23:57:15 -0500 James Dawson wrote: > I went to theartofnoise.com, saw the bit about the customer-created bonus CD > available to US purchasers of "Seduction..." from Tower or CDNow, clicked on > both of their links -- and neither link said anything about the > customer-created CD. Both listed the remix bonus CD that will come with the > commercial release, but nothing about a special offer "exclusive." > > Does this fall under the category of "it sounded too good to be true and it > was," or does someone have details about how this deal is going to work? Any > info would be appreciated. Relax... (pun, earnestly, not intended). Read the AON web site a little more closely. They said for purchases made from June 29th. The record stores in question are not going to have anything on this, yet, as we have yet to reach the start date of the promotion. Just another Morleyesque play on words, and one's attentiveness. Mainly, my concern is whether or not there are going to be restrictions to how many tracks they will allow to be put on one CD. And, also, what is the price tag going to be for such a stunning offer? Maybe now I can get a clean, unscratched copy of the 1min 30sec long version of Moments In Love that Enigma ripped the drum loop from for Sadeness Pt 1. Or better yet, a longer version! The cassette re-issues of Into Battle have never included it. Hey Lazlo! You're the cataloging/playlist guru around here. What was the proper title of the Moments cut I'm reffereing to? It's the very last track on side two of the EP. I keep thinking it's called "Moments In Love (shot)" but I'm not sure. -- James S. Coward artisan2@oklahoma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Due to the internal organisation of the musical work, the act of listening to it immobilizes passing time: it catches and unfolds it as one catches and enfolds a cloth flapping in the wind. It follows that by listening to music, and while we are listening to it, we enter a kind of immortality" - The Art Of Noise # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Coen van der Geest Subject: AW: (ztt) Tower, CNOW List No Bonus CD Info Date: 23 Jun 1999 17:23:10 +0200 > Mainly, my concern is whether or not there are going to be restrictions >to >how many tracks they will allow to be put on one CD. And, also, what is the >price tag going to be for such a stunning offer? Maybe now I can get a clean, What we all can do is, make our own seperate lists with wanted tracks which are not on the lists of others and make a CD-R copy for others, so that we all can have unreleased tracks available. Maybe it's a good idea to spread a list with rare tracks (= not available anymore now). Grtz Coen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cowen Subject: Re: (ztt) Tower, CNOW List No Bonus CD Info Date: 23 Jun 1999 15:26:49 -0500 At 11:57 PM 6/22/99 -0500, James Scott Coward wrote: > Hey Lazlo! You're the cataloging/playlist guru around here. What was the >proper title of the Moments cut I'm reffereing to? It's the very last track on >side two of the EP. I keep thinking it's called "Moments In Love (shot)" but >I'm not sure. I'm not Lazlo, but I can tell you that the title is (all lower case): moment in love This track was rather helpful in the creation of my first and only dub track, Moments in Dub. I can't wait to hear the unreleased Into Battle tracks. Perhaps these tracks are from the fabled "Sounds of Elephants Fucking" demo? I certainly hope that's one of the names you can choose for the comp... Dave Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cliff@ablecom.net (Cliff Tuel) Subject: (ztt) Custom AoN CD info Date: 24 Jun 1999 09:08:19 -0700 (PDT) I just got an e-mail from amplified.com, the company providing the custom AoN CD's. I ordered Seduction from CDNow about a week ago. The CD isn't free. It's $5 for 5 tracks, extra tracks $1.25 each. Here are the selections (sorry for the line wrapping): A Time to Hear (Who's Listening) - 3:34 The thoughtful compression of an entire Art of Noise album into something vaguely resembling a near song experience. The b-side of the close (to the edit) 7" single. Beat Box (One Made Earlier) - 2:27 Live in the studio. Art of Noise jamming in a way few could imagine. The bare bones of a virtual favorite. The meat was added later. Such a secret, it has never been previously released. Who's Afraid (Of Scale) - 4:38 A piece of sheer sense deeply concerned with the size of things. Eventually, scale would be replaced by Art of Noise. If this was a song, and it was about anything, it would be about the love of brackets. A pre-version of who's afraid (of Art of Noise) Resonance - 2:14 An unreleased sketch for things to come, even if the things never came. From the battle period. Beat Box (Diverted) - 8:12 Bones rattling in the beat box. If the meat wasn't yet added, the vegetables certainly were. This was used somewhere for a brief moment. Memory Loss - 1:27 We forgot what we were going to do with this. Perhaps someone might remind us. Previously unreleased. Structure - 1:14 If the budgie died, we knew that gas had entered the studio and we must put on our masks and evacuate immediately. We named the budgie Structure, for reasons we must deny. We loved that budgie. We remember him fondly on this previously unreleased battle period delusion. A Time to Clear (Up) - 4:19 Eventually this became A Time To Fear (Who's Afraid), the opening track on the who's afraid album, and the rest was philosophy. Beat Box (Diversion) - 4:09 A meaty beaty big and flouncy version of Beat Box, which makes you wonder. An inverted song with such sound young boys and girls were known to swoon. Duck rock becomes duck soup. This was once released for a moment or two on a twelve inch. The Subject Has Moved Left - 1:46 Just how political are Art of Noise? This unreleased battle period rattle explains little, which explains a lot. Closer (To The Edit) - 6:23 This extra- large size version of a song sung surreal - from a British twelve inch - showed off best how much Art of Noise loved moving mostly through space and time. This kicked off a new dance craze. How many of you remember doing the edit? It was sort of like the twist, without the unpleasant bits. Resin - 3:20 Sometimes we liked to get real close to the edit. And other times, as on this unreleased battle period meditation, we liked to get so far away from the edit we were cruising close to Saturn. -- Cliff Tuel -- cliff@ablecom.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mike@hyperreal.org Subject: (ztt) Custom AoN CD info (fwd) Date: 24 Jun 1999 10:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Wow, more unreleased than released. I used to dream of trainspottery bliss like this. What 12" is Closer (to the Edit) from? I can't find anything even close (er..) to that length in Lazlo's discography or Joerg's diversion list. I thought maybe it was Beat Box (Diversion Two), which is Close (to the Edit) with about 20 seconds extra in the middle, but that would make it only 6:02, a time I believe I contributed to the discography myself. And "A Time to Clear (It Up)" was a title that appeared on the 12" picture disc, but the record contained these 2 tracks on that side: "Close Up (Hop)" and "A Time to Hear (Who's Listening)"... noting the difference in times, and the inclusion of ATtH(WL) on the CD, I think perhaps the picture disc was mislabeled. We will see. I cancelled my CD Universe order and put in an order at CDNow. -Mike ----- Forwarded message from Cliff Tuel ----- I just got an e-mail from amplified.com, the company providing the custom AoN CD's. I ordered Seduction from CDNow about a week ago. The CD isn't free. It's $5 for 5 tracks, extra tracks $1.25 each. Here are the selections (sorry for the line wrapping): A Time to Hear (Who's Listening) - 3:34 The thoughtful compression of an entire Art of Noise album into something vaguely resembling a near song experience. The b-side of the close (to the edit) 7" single. Beat Box (One Made Earlier) - 2:27 Live in the studio. Art of Noise jamming in a way few could imagine. The bare bones of a virtual favorite. The meat was added later. Such a secret, it has never been previously released. Who's Afraid (Of Scale) - 4:38 A piece of sheer sense deeply concerned with the size of things. Eventually, scale would be replaced by Art of Noise. If this was a song, and it was about anything, it would be about the love of brackets. A pre-version of who's afraid (of Art of Noise) Resonance - 2:14 An unreleased sketch for things to come, even if the things never came. From the battle period. Beat Box (Diverted) - 8:12 Bones rattling in the beat box. If the meat wasn't yet added, the vegetables certainly were. This was used somewhere for a brief moment. Memory Loss - 1:27 We forgot what we were going to do with this. Perhaps someone might remind us. Previously unreleased. Structure - 1:14 If the budgie died, we knew that gas had entered the studio and we must put on our masks and evacuate immediately. We named the budgie Structure, for reasons we must deny. We loved that budgie. We remember him fondly on this previously unreleased battle period delusion. A Time to Clear (Up) - 4:19 Eventually this became A Time To Fear (Who's Afraid), the opening track on the who's afraid album, and the rest was philosophy. Beat Box (Diversion) - 4:09 A meaty beaty big and flouncy version of Beat Box, which makes you wonder. An inverted song with such sound young boys and girls were known to swoon. Duck rock becomes duck soup. This was once released for a moment or two on a twelve inch. The Subject Has Moved Left - 1:46 Just how political are Art of Noise? This unreleased battle period rattle explains little, which explains a lot. Closer (To The Edit) - 6:23 This extra- large size version of a song sung surreal - from a British twelve inch - showed off best how much Art of Noise loved moving mostly through space and time. This kicked off a new dance craze. How many of you remember doing the edit? It was sort of like the twist, without the unpleasant bits. Resin - 3:20 Sometimes we liked to get real close to the edit. And other times, as on this unreleased battle period meditation, we liked to get so far away from the edit we were cruising close to Saturn. -- Cliff Tuel -- cliff@ablecom.net ----- End of forwarded message from Cliff Tuel ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: (ztt) AoN Custom CD web page Date: 24 Jun 1999 17:58:40 EDT Finally! I found a web page for this: Includes Real Audio extracts! http://www.amplified.com/aon/aon_promo.asp?affiliate_code=CDN or http://www.amplified.com/aon/aon_promo.asp?affiliate_code=TWR -paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cowen Subject: Re: (ztt) AoN Custom CD web page Date: 24 Jun 1999 18:35:34 -0500 At 05:58 PM 6/24/99 EDT, you wrote: > >Finally! I found a web page for this: > >Includes Real Audio extracts! > >http://www.amplified.com/aon/aon_promo.asp?affiliate_code=CDN Hmm. Why am I excited more by this bonus CD than by The Seduction of Claude Debussy? Oh, that's right. Big, meaty, 8-bit Fairlight samples. Mmm.... If I were ruler of the universe, I would force Trevor, Anne, J.J. and Gary into a room with nothing but a Fairlight CMI IIx, a PPG Wave 2, a shortwave radio, a hard disk recorder and ProTools. Who's Afraid (of Scale) and Beat Box (Diverted) sound great... they've got such a Euro, melodic feel. You've got to give AoN credit for putting out stripped down versions on the album to make Who's Afraid more scary than trendy. You've got to give them major credit for not just putting out The Seduction, but also giving us fans -two bonus discs- released at the same time! What's the deal with Closer (To The Edit) and Beat Box (Diversion) though? They sound, well, -just like Close to the Edit and Beat Box-! I was hoping Closer was something from That Was Close and renamed, but no. If I were ruler of the universe, I'd force Universal to print up 3" CDs of That Was Close and send them to every living individual on the planet because it's the best thing Art of Noise have ever done, distilled into 20 minutes of sheer pleasure. Dave "Let me get this quite clear..." Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Barrytruck@aol.com Subject: (ztt) Re: AoN Custom CD web page Date: 24 Jun 1999 18:56:57 EDT In a message dated 6/24/99 6:20:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TheMgnt@AOL.COM writes: << Finally! I found a web page for this: Includes Real Audio extracts! >> I know..I already ordered mine, since I ordered my CD through Tower Records. I'll also be receiving the bonus remix CD, plus they say since I pre-ordered, it'll be autographed! Can't wait! Barry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Daw Subject: Re: (ztt) Re: AoN Custom CD web page Date: 25 Jun 1999 17:45:49 +0100 In message , Barrytruck@aol.com writes >I know..I already ordered mine, since I ordered my CD through Tower Records. >I'll also be receiving the bonus remix CD, plus they say since I pre-ordered, >it'll be autographed! Can't wait! Do you know how you go about ordering the Custom CD? I've just ordered a copy from Tower Records, but I didn't see how to go about ordering the Custom CD. Thanks... -- Simon Daw simon_ztt@esteem.demon.co.uk http://www.esteem.demon.co.uk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cowen Subject: Re: (ztt) Re: AoN Custom CD web page Date: 25 Jun 1999 12:00:57 -0500 At 05:45 PM 6/25/99 +0100, you wrote: > >In message , Barrytruck@aol.com writes >>I know..I already ordered mine, since I ordered my CD through Tower Records. >>I'll also be receiving the bonus remix CD, plus they say since I pre-ordered, >>it'll be autographed! Can't wait! > >Do you know how you go about ordering the Custom CD? I've just ordered >a copy from Tower Records, but I didn't see how to go about ordering the >Custom CD. The day after you order The Seduction of Claude Debussy online at Tower, you get an E-mail from Amplified giving you a web page URL and an "entry code" to order the make your own CD. I agree that it's not inherently obvious, but it's not a scam either. Dave Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Daw Subject: Re: (ztt) Re: AoN Custom CD web page Date: 25 Jun 1999 18:07:07 +0100 Thanks everybody. I thought I was going to miss out on my Custom CD! -- Simon Daw simon_ztt@esteem.demon.co.uk http://www.esteem.demon.co.uk/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) what tracks did you pick? Date: 25 Jun 1999 23:02:19 -0400 i found the site a tad difficult to use, i had to open the page in 2 different windows so i could compare what i chose with what i was missing on my final list. Moving tracks up and down gets iffy if you dont do a shift-reload after changing each pick. Picking 10 (of 12) was somewhat hard, and then, the order at which to put them. ex: you dont want beat boxes consecutively after each other. Nor do you want the (sorry : i know they're rare, i'm a completist too, but...) boring 'nothing but a drum loop' 2 minute thingies consecutively after each other. We'll see once the disc actually arrives, it's hard to be objective about a 30 second clip, one that's in real audio at that. I left off beat box (diversion) 4 min cause i have the moments in love cd single and it's on there ( i think i got that right) and the a time to clear'whos listening' thingie cause i already put that on one of my early comps sampled from the close 7" (and cigar picturedisk). 'structure' is basically the 'chow chow che chow' that was used in it, so i made it close out the disc. CRAP i just realized I made an error, I meant to pick "a time to clear (up)" instead of "whos listening". 1 Beat Box (One Made Earlier) 2:27 ----- 2 Who's Afraid (Of Scale) 4:38 ----- 3 Resonance 2:14 ----- 4 A Time to Hear (Who's Listening) 3:34 ----- 5 Beat Box (Diverted) 8:12 6 Memory Loss 1:27 7 Closer (To The Edit) 6:23 8 Resin 3:20 9 The Subject Has Moved Left 1:46 10 Structure 1:14 Total: $ 11.24 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cowen Subject: Re: (ztt) what tracks did you pick? Date: 25 Jun 1999 22:46:32 -0500 At 11:02 PM 6/25/99 -0400, you wrote: > >i found the site a tad difficult to use, i had to open the page in 2 >different windows so i could compare what i chose with what i was >missing on my final list. Moving tracks up and down gets iffy if you >dont do a shift-reload after changing each pick. >Picking 10 (of 12) was somewhat hard, and then, the order at which to >put them. ex: you dont want beat boxes consecutively after each other. >Nor do you want the (sorry : i know they're rare, i'm a completist too, >but...) boring 'nothing but a drum loop' 2 minute thingies >consecutively after each other. Actually, that's exactly the way I ordered them! If I'm wont to listen to Beat Box, chances are I'll, well, listen to lots of Beat Box in a row. If I'm wont to listen to creepy short loop tracks, I'll likely listen to those all at once. I'll end up ripping 'em all to carry around in my Rio anyway, so it doesn't really matter. To each his own. I left of A Time to Hear (Who's Listening) because I already own it on multiple issues (and don't really care for it that much), and Structure, because it sounded about a thousand times stupider than the other tracks. It was also the shortest. I'm sorry, but I wasn't going to pay Universal $1.25 for a freakin' bird squawking for 74 seconds! Now the question is, which title and cover art did you choose? I chose bashful, as it made the most sense: it used mask promo art (always, historically, a good thing), the title made sense (these were, of course, titles which Art of Noise have been "bashful" about letting out into the world), and that art and title seem most appropriate for a Daft companion. So Lazlo, how do you handle a discography entry for such a malleable beast? ;) Oh well, next week should be fun with 3 new AoN silver platters and the new Gentle People CD being delivered... Dave Cowen (esch@fische.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian Ferrell (Exchange)" Subject: RE: (ztt) what tracks did you pick? Date: 25 Jun 1999 20:54:46 -0700 Aw crap! You mean I can only pick 10 of the 12 tracks for my custom CD? Does this mean I need to buy 2 copies of Debussy to get all the tracks? Sweet mother of......... Life would be much easier if ZTT just offered the extra CD for $15 or whatever gets them the cash they need to turn a profit on these 15-year-old cutting-room-floor sweepings. Or heck, just let me buy them all: it's not like they're free anyway. Crap, crap, crap... Shameless Sucker For ZTT's Eternal Fiscal Screwing # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oIBskQjlDTmlMZ0VaISEbKEI=?=" Subject: (ztt) (AON) Another negative review Date: 28 Jun 1999 17:28:16 +0900 Dear all, Here is a review which I found in the British newspaper "The Times". Another one to add to the growing pile of negative reviews. The only complimentary things I ever read about the album were from those articles in which the journalist was obliged to get a brown nose from either Paul or Trevor (if you do not know what this means, please mail me privately and not the list). As for plagiarising the article, I am deeply sorry but it is from yesterday's paper and no longer on the main server now. If I am offending anyone's principles, please accept my apologies. The least I can do is print the webaddress which is: http://www.the-times.co.uk From the Times Internet edition 27th June 1999 ART OF NOISE The Seduction of Claude Debussy ZTT 130CD, $B!r(B15.99 IF POP has an iron law, it is that every band re-forms in the end, and Art of Noise haven't let the side down. The heart fair sinks at the sight of an album with such a concept-heavy handle, and the contents do little to dispel this unease. Seeking to draw parallels between Debussy's musical innovations at the turn of the last century and, yes, Art of Noise's on the eve of the next, the group rope in John Hurt as an absurdly portentous narrator, while Trevor Horn labours prolifically but ineffectually at the studio controls. The pianist Anne Dudley proves a diligent Debussian pasticheur, while the liner notes, by pop's original spin doctor Paul Morley, are an unintentional treat. Breathtakingly pretentious, but you are tempted to indulge them, if only for the pleasure of hearing the rapper Rakim come up with words that rhyme with Baudelaire. Raymond A Koh rakoh@dds.nl English teacher, musician and soon to be lawyer............ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oII1il+eW5ZN5gUA=?=" Subject: (ztt) AON vs CDNOW Date: 29 Jun 1999 07:37:35 +0900 I have just placed an order FOR THE SECOND time with CDNOW for TSOCD after the first was automatically cancelled when I sent them a mail about the custom CD (some moron probably understnads "please send me the password" as "I do not want your CD"). But then a thought occurred to me. It is being shipped from the European center. Do these orders qualify? I anxiously wait the reply of those wonderful morons at CDNOW. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aon-chat@lists.Colorado.EDU > [mailto:owner-aon-chat@lists.Colorado.EDU]On Behalf Of James Campbell > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 4:33 AM > To: aon-chat > Subject: UK digi > > > Folks, > > The UK issue of the album is available in regular vanilla flavour and also > in "Limited Edition Digipack." So far, I have been unable to find out if > either version includes the US remix bonus CD. However, it looks like the > roll-your-own rarities CD is available to UK customers who order from the > States via the web, so I'll probably be doing that... > > A Q: Is "Beat Box (Diversion)" the same track as "Beat Box (Diversion 10)" > from the LoveBeat 12" (and therefore the German CD single)? > That's what the > web page seems to be implying, but the track lengths are ~10 secs > different. > Views?? > > James > > ========================================================================== > James Campbell james@zeugma.force9.co.uk http://www.zeugma.force9.co.uk > all art, all of, all noise, all of the time > ========================================================================== > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Juno Jackson Subject: (ztt) (AON) Who's Afraid of Reissues ? Not the fans !!!! Date: 28 Jun 1999 15:50:33 PDT I know this has been mentioned a lot; maybe someone that has any control over this will finally pay attention. 1) Why didn't ZTT just reissue "Into Battle" and "Who's Afraid ? " with the outtakes from the custom CD ? It seems more logical than continuing to reissue "Daft" and the original "Who's Afraid ?" . The only reason that I had bought "Daft" was for the three mixes of "Moments In Love". It just seems absurd. These lost gems are worth more than just a promotional offer, and it's unfair for fans that live outside of North America who can't take advantage of it. 2) Hasn't ZTT or Universal heard of remastering ? Some of the old tracks have way too much hiss in the backround. Could we have some extra photographs and pictures inside the liner notes ? And what's this whole oblivious attitude towards cassettes ? 3) China and Sire sholud also reissue the other albums; it was pretty foolish of them as well that they had only reissued the remix albums and the Best Of collection. Off-Beat is doing a shitty job of keeping the post-ZTT albums in the stores. And to have "Reworks" on CD again would be nice as well. 4) Also, will anyone ever reissue any AoS mateial ? It took forever for me to find a copy of "co.uk". 5) Perhaps some Anne Dudley reissues ("Knight Moves" and US versions of "Ancient & Modern" , "Alice In Wonderland", and "Jeeves and Wooster" . Maybe a box set ? ) 6) The original score for "Disorderlies (remember those sound efects in the backround ? )" . 7) DVD & VHS (these letters are your friends, AON !!!! They don't bite !!! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TheMgnt@aol.com Subject: (ztt) Re: AON vs CDNOW Date: 28 Jun 1999 20:28:38 EDT > I have just placed an order FOR THE SECOND time with CDNOW for TSOCD after > the first was automatically cancelled when I sent them a mail about the > custom CD (some moron probably understnads "please send me the password" as > "I do not want your CD"). But then a thought occurred to me. It is being > shipped from the European center. Do these orders qualify? This is the email I received when I wrote to CDNow. I posted it to the AON list under the same title as this reply, but I dont think I sent this to ztt list. Apologies if I've already sent this along: -paul > Thank you for contacting CDNOW. > > I apologize for the inconvenience. There seems to have been a little of > miscommunication, CDNOW is actually not participating in this promotion > until June 29th, the date of release of Seduction of Claude Debussy. > However, since you have already placed your Advance Order for this > piece, we will honor the promotion. I will be compiling the email > addresses of these advance orders and the emails will be sent out the > week of the 29th. Again, I do apologize for the inconvenience and > appreciate your understanding and patience! > > If there is anything else that I can do for you, please let me know. > > Yours truly, > > Tom > Customer Service > CDNOW, Inc. Your Music. Your Store. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Daraghy Subject: (ztt) AON in new/and next UNCUT magazine Date: 28 Jun 1999 21:25:41 -0400 current issue of UNCUT magazine has a cd with 'born on a sunday' (seems to be lp mix) and a few pictures. they claim the NEXT issue will feature Art of Noise. There are (again) some 'average' reviews of the album, inside. Trev looks SO different. Anne's soundtrack for the movie "pushing tin" has some interesting sounds on it! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Marston Subject: (ztt) AON Pepsi Site Date: 29 Jun 1999 08:01:11 GMT More AON stuff... www.pepsiworld.com/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TOB@ramboll.dk Subject: (ztt) The Seduction of Europe Date: 30 Jun 1999 07:46:35 +0100 Hello List, Thou dissapointed that we in Denmark can't customise the new AoN CD with older goodies, I am in the seventh heaven, as I yesteday got my copy of Seduction. Even a version with 4 MetaForce mixes, two of those seems different to the 2 CD12"'s. 15 years is a long time to wait for the original AoN to follow up on Who's afraid. But it has most certainly been worth waiting! Regarding the MetaForce Bonus CD. I have the following times for the different CD12": 129cd 4.11 (7") 6.53 the beat of a metaphor 5.42 the size of a metaphor 129cd2 3.50 plan 138 4.55 the seduction of a metaphor: intromix 5.26 the x-ray of a metaphor Bonus CD 4.53 (no name) - NEW 6.53 the beat of a metaphor - SAME AS 129 6.54 the sighs of a metaphor - NEW 5.40 the size of a metaphor - SAME AS 129 Torben # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?TXIuIFJheW1vbmQgS29oII1il+eW5ZN5gUA=?=" Subject: (ztt) RE: looking for the names of two AON tracks Date: 30 Jun 1999 23:07:44 +0900 IMHO, the Paranoimia 12" is one of the best things AON put out. Although I hate the Max Headroom thing, Why Me? and A Nation Rejects are sublime pieces of work. Perhaps "nation" is more like the things we are hearing now with TSOCD. Which brings me very neatly to my next point. Finally, I got my password, but I have a feeling that it is not from CDNOW. My email was different than the one that Ira forwarded. I think this is due to me mailing the promoters (I forget who) direct and them doing something about it. In any case, whoever said that they had good customer service was right. So just to clear things up, if you live in England, I guess ordering from CDNOW and having it shipped from their European centre in order to save costs still qualifies you for the custom CD. I am all buzzed about this! Raymond # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vcastello Subject: (ztt) European customized CD Date: 30 Jun 1999 09:24:42 +0200 Hi everybody, I mailed the people of amplified.com asking why the europeans could not buy the customized aon cd. Here's the reply, and I think it's quite interesting. Cheers, Vicebte Hello Vicente, We're setting up a Tower Europe affiliate site that will be able to supply you the rare track cd's and it should be up by Wednesday at the latest. We are unable to sell cd's through our current site due to regional/country sales restrictions (only being supplied to the US/Canada/England currently). But with the addition of the Tower Europe site, we should be able to easily accomodate your request. I am putting your email aside and will send you a code ASAP when the UK site is up. I'm very sorry for the delay, but we'll get that going as soon as we can. We definately don't want to exlude anyone from being able to partake in this promotion. Thanks for your interest and your continued support of a great band! Sincerely, Jonathan Hix Web Developer jonathan@amplified.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info ztt" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email ztt@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # ZTT discography available at http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?ztt